History Primer 162: British Tranter 1878 Documentary
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Othais and Mae delve into the story of this classic. Complete with history, function, and live fire demonstration.
C&Rsenal presents its Primer series; covering the firearms of this historic conflict one at a time in honor of the centennial anniversary. Join us every other Tuesday!
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Additional reading:
The Firearms of William Tranter : Birmingham Gunsmith
Ron Stewart
Revolvers of the British Services 1854 - 1954
Chamberlain & Taylerson
Howdah to High Power
A Century of British Breechloading Service Pistols
1867 - 1967
Robert J. Maze
Adams' Revolvers
WHJ Chamberlain and AWF Taylerson
The Revolver 1865 - 1888
AWF Taylerson
Tranter Cartridge Firearms
Joel Black, Kerry Guerin, Roger G. Michaud
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Often when I start watching one of these I'm thinking, "There's no way I'm going to spend over an hour on this niche gun, I'll skip some of it." and I never, ever do. Thanks for another great video!
ahh the soothing cello of C&Rsenal
"It technically checked all the boxes, it did so in a frankly weird way that did not always inspire confidence"
Ah, an episode about me!
An elegant weapon from a more civilized age (that saw the most intense loss of human life ever known to that point).
It was really all about economics and maintaining the status quo....those who died, were deemed expendable, and did not maintain the status quo. It was an ugly business and sad for the individuals and families involved. I fear history may soon repeat itself, because with inflation, human lives become less valuable to those who see them merely as $$$ amounts.
The "flue" was far more deadly than the war. In a village near me the fatality rate was 100 percent. Not a single family living there is a direct descendant of those who lived there 1918.
Imperialism in a nutshell
"Civilized"
@@pex_the_unalivedrunk6785 War is a Racket.
Maj. General Smedley Butler tried to warn us, unfortunately our fathers and grandfathers did not listen.
The blueing on a gun is sometimes called bronzage in French, which means it's bronze color, but also translates to "sun-tan". Looks like this gun is sun kissed indeed
Awesome. Love these early British revolvers, and pretty much all of them are legal to own in Australia. Thanks again for your efforts!
Everything’s legal to own in Australia if you ignore the law
Why are they legal in Australia?
@@pipwalke4553 If you've got a licence for them you can buy them. You can buy pretty much anything you want down here so long as its not a semiauto longarm or pump/semiauto shotgun. People think Aussies have no guns for some reason, couldnt be further from the truth.
I am literally eating a nice corn chowder in the dark. With only my TV for light
32:42.....32:52 painting by A.N. Popova, depicting one of the decisive moments of the Battle of Shipka - the battle for the "Eagle's Nest" position on August 12, 1877. The Turkish attack is repulsed by the soldiers of the Oryol Infantry Regiment, after whom this place got its name (Oryol(rus) = Eagle).
As a privious owner of the Tranter co. Birmingham, (Yes, still working in the 80s) this is excellent. Thanks.
The .450 Adams gets a bad rap but you have to remember it was designed in the late 1860s to basically replicate the velocities of .44 paper cartridges for percussion revolvers with similar bullet weights, which it did, using less powder as well, 13 grains compared to the usual standard charge of 25 grains in the paper cartridges. Also considering the period it was developed in it was centerfire and inside lubed.
Mae's Top 10 1870s Revolver List:
1: Reichsrevolver
That's it. Nothing else compares to perfection.
Soup in the dark sounds like a band name. Lol
Looking forward to another great vid
Heck yeah! Been waiting for this one!
That was an excellent lecture, thank you.
What amazes me most is that the British were still using percussion guns into the late1870s lol.
Whenever I hear Tranter I think of the .577 version.... Always wanted one of those...
There was one auctioned here in Switzerland about 1 year ago - I think it went for more than 22'000 Swiss francs. So better start saving some money now if you want one...
Best night of the week!!!
I'll be making one of those spring vises tonight. Brilliant idea; thanks for sharing.
Othias, i very much enjoy all your videos, and admire your style. I cant help but think that we would be friends had we met in life. Thank you for all your work. You and Mae are great, and you both make great videos!
I've been lookin forward to this one.
Dang you guys are good at this, every episode I’m so impressed with your videography and knowledge. The presenters are pretty good, too.
Thanks for another great episode. I'm really looking forward to the Webley No.5 as I've actually shot one of those.
Thank you for another history lesson, from a Utreon supporter. Keep up the good work: I love seeing long arms because they're more central to broader history, but small arms definitely show more and more complex development.
This channel has the most awesome content.
Amazing Video!
After 11pm, watch the beginning now the rest at the oil change
I didn’t know the British Army was so slow to adopt a big cartridge revolver. Typical old school brass, don’t waste ammo. Those old generals was freak out if they saw us in training or action today. Today it’s all about who can put the most down range the quickest.
How long did it take to get the ammunition to all corners of the Empire?
@@julianshepherd2038 how long did it take to get the manpower, that was firing muzzle loaders, that gave the empire the equivalent firepower to one guy with a six shooter to all corners of the empire . Force multipliers are a thing.
@@francesconicoletti2547 side arms are mostly to shoot or threaten your own people. If you have to resort to a wee pistol then something has gone wrong.
The manpower was small given the size of the Empire.
Love the old revolvers. I love shooting .45 colt black powder. Loved Papa Othais and Mama Mae's videos.
Excellent!
Show the kydex holster!
Hey awesome folks at C&Rsenal! I have a 1851 Deane Adams revolver in .50 caliber used by the british army in 1851 till 1856. If you want a functioning example to borrow for your show id love to talk more and lend it to you!
Thanks for sharing 👍
Thank you
Welp, forget about sleeping now. Thanks another C&Rsenal.
But Othais' warm, dulcet tones send me off to sleep! Until Mae helpfully wakes me up with a bang, of course.
The break from music during Mae's shooting was a refreshing change. Maybe not a permanent change, but surprising and nice.
I’ll be honest the “Oh man! Awww :(“ bit had me cackling with laughter.
Yes please and thank you 💕
The number of distinct machine milling operations between them is astounding.
I wonder if the high grip knuckle is to facilitate shooting from hip/waist height, rather than raising the weapon and using the sights. The British often deemed revolvers to be suitable for last-ditch point-blank situations, and the idea of holding the gun lower would be consistent with this, with the knuckle allowing the gun to be fired more comfortably, without needing to bend the wrist so acutely to bring up the muzzle.
Designed for hip-shooting... Interesting idea, worthy of an experiment.
Nice presentation. I own two of these revolvers. One is British W^D marked and the other has the New Zealand marking N80Z. I think the design issues with the extractor rod were the main reason they didn't see much service. Both my examples are prone to jamming just like that shown in the video. Not really what you want when being charged by a crazed Zulu.
Awesome.👌👌
A really beautiful gun indeed! A big handful I´m sure without ever hold on to one. A big beautiful brute! Another absolutely amazing video from you guy´s! Banana bulges or not.
That lack of ergonomics in handguns has always fascinated me. Just... why?
Thank you for this!!!
First time I laid my eyes on Mae in profile there was something aesthetically appealing there. I can´t explain it, it´s the lines on her. Those sharp edges filled with curves mixed in. Like she really has some good transition points there.
I've always wanted to fire, or even hold the single-double Tranter. I've always liked the idea, and if you look around enough, some very nice custom ones were made.
Of course, I've never seen one irl outside the Royal Armouries (I believe)
Hey, I just noticed that the SMLE on the wall has the Galilean sights on it!
Neat!
Perfect break from writing. Just what the Doc ordered.
5:14 shame, such a perfect "drinking his milkshake" moment. 🥤
Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. Further away is obviously better than close to 😎
At some point in the future, especially with the revelations of last episode, is it possible that we can get a Revolver 102 that identifies very specific things with regard to their inventors? Lockwork is an obvious section, but identification of minor details like the style of hammer so common on continental revolvers or those very specific cylinder locking recesses that I've seen on several different revolvers now would be a fascinating endeavor.
Nice
Great episode! It's so weird how coy the British revolver manufacturers were about being able to chamber 45 Colt, when it was plainly possible. Even some Webley WGs were able to get away with it (before shaking loose under recoil). Seems plain that colonial forces wanted to be able to chamber anything starting with a 4 and a 5, but no manufacturer wanted to admit that they could. Liability reasons, I guess.
She really is gorgeous. The revolver that is. I love octagon barrels.
Cavalry wore, relatively, thick leather gloves when riding - are you sure the wide grip and huge trigger space isn't an adaptation for that market?
gloves explain a big trigger guard and trigger but not more length of pull. gloves don't give you longer fingers
@@Candrsenal that where the "finglonger" comes in.
The spring vise seems a perfect item to make from a Harbor Freight pair of locking needle nose pliers or a cheap Chinese Amazon or Wish-sourced set
Mae: Look how they massacred my expectations.
Big Fan of Mae !!
"More on (Enfield Mk. 1) another day." Great. That thing looks bizarre.
Shooter Lover, But Armoured Night mare- Colt 1868. Love the Tranter Eps Would like to see what next, Othas and Mae 1860's to 1880's list is great
The guy who gets shot because his sear-tripping spur gets bent and jams his gun doesn't live to complain about his malfunction. The guy who manages to sleep a finger behind his trigger while holstering and shoots himself in the leg does live to complain. That might be part of why the sear bar keeps on going.
The arms industry of Birmingham received little or no mention at the Commonwealth Games opening ceremony.
Lol. Everyone thought you were getting close to doing a 1911 episode.
H&R, Iver Johnson, Hopkins & Allen, ( all of lower priced) mail order gun's all made single & Double action pistols in .32,& .38 short S&W and a few in the long version of both calibers " Top Break" revolvers the First American made were the Colt Lightning" in .38 Colt/ S&W or .41 rimfire Colt Thunderer.in 1878. Neither really took off, they broke fairly often. Also all of the Cheaper Gun/ Bicycle revolver makers pistols were $ 2- 4 dollar's when a Colt was $35 - 50. So basically you could buy a case of Iver Johnson's for the price of one Colt. Also many of the cheaper pistols were nickel Plated for the same price as a blued version.
Hold the tranter arm fully extended as was doctrine at the time and see if it sits more naturally for you when aiming.
I suspect the odd ergonomics are based on that.
I'll agree with odd ergonomics, but I would think it should sit more naturally in the hand when holding the gun lower, around hip/waist level. That high knuckle would allow for a less acute bend of the wrist to bring the muzzle up...and while I'm not that well versed in British doctrine of the mid/late 1800s, by the time of WWI the revolver was often considered a last ditch point blank weapon for when the enemy had already broken through your defenses, and the idea of not needing to (or possibly not having the time to) raise the weapon fully before your face and use the sights could make sense.
But that's just a hypothesis - I don't have any actual data to back all that rambling up. But I did grab my EDC (semi-auto, designed to be held at shoulder/face height) and tried to hold it on target at waist height, and it was very uncomfortable on the wrist, not even considering what recoil would add to it. 🤔
@@aussiebloke609 The ejector rod would still be a problem, so maybe the idea way to shoot it would be hip gangsta?
"yeah this is huge"
- Mae "I don't know her last name" Gunchick
Winchester of course. Because Gunchick.
Had to stifle a laugh upon seeing Mae's purposeful, bobble-like hand dance when shooting this oddly stocked Tranter single action. This episode does seem to emphasize the short few decades that elapsed between 1878 and double action revolver perfection as exemplified by S&W's N-Frame Hand Ejectors.
Why did this model have a spring putting tension on the cylinder? The hand seems to always have contact with the gear on the rear of the cylinder and should hold things in place to prevent rotation right?
Othias calls a plastic stick “the patented plastic pokey “, but then actually invents a very useful tool. And says “go ahead and steal my idea” 😀
Weren 't Tranters revolvers of large caliber, like .577?
Sharp Shooter Mae 💘
Hmm, big bore, solid frame, from the 1870ies... there were solid-frame versions of the Gasser, weren't there?
Better yet, Thomas Sederl's self-ejecting revolver, patented 1879 - that's basically a solid-frame Gasser with a weird gimmick, that's got to count for something ;D
2:00 awesome show as ever, but it's pronounced 'Wuster', the county 'Wustershire'.
"May aim! The knuckles do nothing!"
Love your content, also love the way our American cousins pronounce English place names; Worcestershire is pronounced ‘wuss-ti-sha’ 😁😁😁
If you'd break off the knob on the back of the trigger, it would only effect the singelaction, it would still be able to shoot dobbelaction!
nope, that is also the rebound sear.
Othias, Because the 45 Colt fit in the chamber, I assume their is chamber step ?
I wonder if trantor would have enjoyed HGTV's inane real estate programs.
Just sitting on his couch all day, doodling pistol designs while he watches trash TV
I miss the historical music from the shooting segments.
At one point I thought I heard the, “the Second Annual Afghan War”.
I was just wondering when another primer was going to show up. I have developed an internal clock based around obscure in-depth gun history. God help me.
The Mole Grips?....... that is normally the tool of desperation!
You only use them when everything else has failed....
A good application of the tool... it is almost civilised.
Beats making a different fixed vice for every dang revolver
A very Sherlock Holmes-looking revolver
Sights *are* good.
Nineteenth century British shooters used a bent-wrist position. One sees that in many illustrations. Perhaps the grip is designed for that.
that is doubly worse.
a "Bisley" grip is tighter, not looser
It is so much easier to choose today. Which Glock do you want?
But Papa Othais said it fit! 😉🤣🤣
auh, no May shooting theme music
18:19 the springloaded rod makes the Colt gun CLEARLY superior.
You guys are going to need a bigger holster.
great content as usual... keep up the good work..... May also has a great bod, just saying...
"Berhansius was right" should be on a T-shirt.
A least this time you can fire it double action.
I wonder how many 19th century shooters practiced enough double action to even bother having sights. Honestly, a day at the range will have you wondering that today.
Yes but how effective are these revolvers when it comes to rubbing them on your guinea pig?
I saw allot of Tranters ... just a neet mysterious British revolver. Not any more, thier secret life revealed.
More revolvers. Poor Mae.
papa othias
Did we hear confirmation of WW2?
Just hit me, the rack of shotguns!
weeeee