The blued First Pattern at £5/5/0 was priced for a gentleman at 5 Guineas. Items for gentlemen went in Guineas as a class indicator. For the common people it was more usual to quote items in shillings eg tailors sold 30 or 50 shilling suits (£1/10/0 or £2/10/0).
Very good point - I recall when members of the professions (doctors, lawyers, architects, others aspiring to a similar status) would price their services in guineas even if it all boiled down to good old £/s/d in the end.
@@Charstring Ricght up to the late Fifties luxury goods like fur coats were always priced in guineas - I recall seeing the ads in the newspaper when I was a kid
I can honestly say that I now use Ballistol, only because I learnt about it from your show. Thank you for putting me onto the product, and your excellent shows, notably the early revolver series'.
@@CATech1138not really, neither of those are words in English. Learnt is factually correct and correctly used in this context, it just doesn't sound right to me 🎧
Watching final version of this episode, already seen the pre-production on Patreon. Thanks again to Ballistol for sponsoring. And it's true, this channel have recommended, used, and showed Ballistol long before sponsorship.
Othias, I very much appreciate what you and Mae do. The in-depth review of these old guns has allowed me to broaden my understanding of different weapons throughout history. Not only are you well-researched, but you also have a sense of humor. I especially appreciate your video on the Spanish M1893 as my grandpa gave me his some years ago. He never knew anything about until I did a little research and then eventually found your video. I'm happy to be a long time follower of your channel. Please know that so long as you keep uploading I will continue watching.
I think the shape of the grip and the prawl (what you keep calling the "knuckle") were optimized for double-action shooting without using the sights, either from the hip or point-shooting, with proper aimed shooting being of secondary importance. On the subject of Ballistol, I've used it on everything, from my guns and tools to my leather, and even open cuts with no ill effects. It is truly a miracle oil.
Does the bird's head grip have something to do with the odd shooting style popular then for target shooting, with the elbow bent and the gun held closer to the face? Not sure how that would affect the knuckle - except trying to visualize it, that'd make it worse, not better. But you'll be able to tell more with it in your hand.
I noticed this text in the description: "C&Rsenal presents its Primer series; covering the firearms of this historic conflict one at a time in honor of the centennial anniversary". Could possibly be a source of the ongoing confusion about whether or not Primer is still "just a WW1 show".
Love every video as always!! As a note Ballistol smells.....like only a gun person would love.... but it is the only product I ever use.. on guns...etc...
Hey Othias & mae. I was wondering if at *some* point we can get a full video dedicated to the various basic revolver lockworks? I love the deepdives you are doing and all the new research you are uncovering. However, I'de lie if I didn't say I was finding it a bit hard or convoluted to follow sometimes, as often when discussing revolver evolution you reference half a dozen different episodes, some being multiple years old & i'm not always retaining the info relevant to the current episode. I would find it helpful if there was one place where I could click and get a refresher on "this is a Warnent, which was developed at this time & solved X, Y, Z problems, the is a Fagnus....." (probably spelt that wrong, sorry). However, I completely understand if this isn't something viable for the channel or if its just too damn much work given the extremely busy & compressed time schedule you run on. I'll keep tuning every 2nd week in because I love your work & I love the style and detail you guys provide, its really bought a whole new planet of understanding of Firearms & Just development cycles in general to me. Can't thank you enough.
@@Remington53 Yeah thanks. They also did a special a year or two ago explaining some of the trouble with revolvers like lack of unified definitions & trouble verifying some of the dates ect that were commonly accepted for the invention of various features.
@@tomhenry897 Tell that to the Canadians, or The Mexicans, or the Brazilians, Peruvians, Chileans, etc. Or for that matter the US Military and Engineers.
And this is quite literally a Victorian era machine with which the engineers absolutely would have used Imperial measurements. You picked the absolute worst example to nitpick.
This, in my opinion, is one of the most beautiful Victorian revolvers. And arguably the best looking Webley, aside from the Mk 1 and RIC New Model in my view.
Just speculation about the grip on the revolver they didn’t like. He points the revolver downwards to make it more comfortable. Perhaps the design was for Calvary shooting downwards towards infantry.
Still working on getting my dad and brother to switch to Ballistol, it is good stuff. Thanks for putting me on to it! You’ll have 3 converts eventually, i am not gonna let them hear the end of it
If I only had to carry a revolver and not shoot it, that bird's head grip is absolutely beautiful. If I had to shoot it, it reminds me too much of the Reichsbanana.
@@ericmckinley7985 As you point out, that they have added 50'000 new subscribers in the last year. As the indicator says, they are currently at 500'000 subscribers. Yet, we have about 80 comments and 14'392 views by now, almost two days in. Most other channels I know with similar amounts of subscribers would have 80 comments within 5 minutes and more views by now. As I said it's just a feeling. I could be wrong. And I openly admit that I can't say what different methods of shadowbanning exist. Maybe its just set so that new videos don't show up to subscribers as quick or just once (that's what I experience over time). I know that much of it has to do how I choose content and so on, but something doesn't feel right here.
@@JosipRadnik1the SKS primer has over 300k views. Viewership never matches sub count for any channel, and viewership is fickle depending on the gun. Cool blasters bring the beeg numbers- obscure revolvers do not.
Othais, could you please explain to me from what (if not Colt´s propaganda) comes to the especially American notion that topbreakers´ lock is somehow fragile and not robust? Especially after this your piece it seems to me complete nonsense.
Othias has been very explicit in nearly every revolver Primer, and a few Q&As, that that is NOT a myth. There will be more frame stretch. There is less support for the chambers. They always fall out of time faster than full solid framed revolvers.
It is as simple as, the hinge and latch will wear faster than solid steel. There is no question of that. Early swing out cylinders had their own issues, but once that got hammered out they are objectively more reliable. Now, is that difference is enough to practically matter is less clear. If you were using a cartridge like .455 Webley or .38 special and you bought a new revolver just firing it occasionally and not abusing it, it probably doesn't really matter. But if you are running tons of ammunition through it over an extended period, you will get it out of whack. They also are weak spots if you want to use big magnum rounds or something. Once swing-out cylinders established a track record of reliability, they just make more sense.
Not sure if this Michael Kaufmann is the same, but on FreeBMD there is a Michael Kaufmann was married in Stockton Co Durham North Riding Yorkshire. 1874, Thanks.
Perhaps the "Birdshead" grip was to give the weapon a more concentrated striking force when you had to use it by the barrel for clubbing an opponent ? I agree with you about the knuckle probably being better for "shooting from the hip" in emergency situations, when it's not being shot from a "Target stance" !
The upside down guns during comparison does NOT work, despite your assurance it does. First, you are already very familiar with the features, we are not. Our brains have to work very hard to flip the image in our minds. We cannot do that so quickly. Second, seeing them in real life, 3D, may help you. The flat, 2d video does not help us. Third, you don't gain significant space in your shot. You may save 1.5" at most. Please actually try them both upright,.tucked kne under the other. That is what is done in ALL publications. No one else does what you do. We REALLY NEED the pistols to be upright, one above the other. Please, don't be so entrenched with your flawed thinking!
But, thankfully, this is a video, and a high resolution one at that So if I need more time to process and take a look at something I can always pause, and if I need to actually do some kind of comparison on my end everything is correctly scaled, so I can just cut and paste to make the image how I need This is also a reminder to always download videos onto your computer, because TH-cam will arbitrarily take things down
The blued First Pattern at £5/5/0 was priced for a gentleman at 5 Guineas. Items for gentlemen went in Guineas as a class indicator. For the common people it was more usual to quote items in shillings eg tailors sold 30 or 50 shilling suits (£1/10/0 or £2/10/0).
Very good point - I recall when members of the professions (doctors, lawyers, architects, others aspiring to a similar status) would price their services in guineas even if it all boiled down to good old £/s/d in the end.
@@Charstring Ricght up to the late Fifties luxury goods like fur coats were always priced in guineas - I recall seeing the ads in the newspaper when I was a kid
Every Webley feature prompts an extended trip toGunBroker,and shopping . Somehow, I 😅😅usually end up shopping for Dan Wesson 715s, 8” barrel. Thanks!
I can honestly say that I now use Ballistol, only because I learnt about it from your show. Thank you for putting me onto the product, and your excellent shows, notably the early revolver series'.
Yeah. What he said about Ballistol.
same
I hate that learnt is ok in this context, not sure why it bothers me so much 😂
@@beargillium2369 almost as bad as oncest or tooked
@@CATech1138not really, neither of those are words in English. Learnt is factually correct and correctly used in this context, it just doesn't sound right to me 🎧
Watching final version of this episode, already seen the pre-production on Patreon. Thanks again to Ballistol for sponsoring. And it's true, this channel have recommended, used, and showed Ballistol long before sponsorship.
Othias, I very much appreciate what you and Mae do. The in-depth review of these old guns has allowed me to broaden my understanding of different weapons throughout history. Not only are you well-researched, but you also have a sense of humor. I especially appreciate your video on the Spanish M1893 as my grandpa gave me his some years ago. He never knew anything about until I did a little research and then eventually found your video. I'm happy to be a long time follower of your channel. Please know that so long as you keep uploading I will continue watching.
Back down the ol’ revolver hole. Love it!
Better than being up it I suppose (use ballistol to lube)😊
Finally bought the balistol hat! Also been using balistol as case lube while reloading lately and no stuck cases yet.
utreon / patrons here for 2nd watching report in!
I think the shape of the grip and the prawl (what you keep calling the "knuckle") were optimized for double-action shooting without using the sights, either from the hip or point-shooting, with proper aimed shooting being of secondary importance.
On the subject of Ballistol, I've used it on everything, from my guns and tools to my leather, and even open cuts with no ill effects. It is truly a miracle oil.
I love ballistol thanks for the introduction
Excellent episode!
the most elegant revolver ever made
Thanks
Wheel gun Tuesday is back.
Does the bird's head grip have something to do with the odd shooting style popular then for target shooting, with the elbow bent and the gun held closer to the face? Not sure how that would affect the knuckle - except trying to visualize it, that'd make it worse, not better. But you'll be able to tell more with it in your hand.
That little screw is loose . It moved when you hit it with the pokey finger!
I noticed this text in the description: "C&Rsenal presents its Primer series; covering the firearms of this historic conflict one at a time in honor of the centennial anniversary". Could possibly be a source of the ongoing confusion about whether or not Primer is still "just a WW1 show".
yes!!!!
Love every video as always!! As a note Ballistol smells.....like only a gun person would love.... but it is the only product I ever use.. on guns...etc...
Hey Othias & mae. I was wondering if at *some* point we can get a full video dedicated to the various basic revolver lockworks? I love the deepdives you are doing and all the new research you are uncovering. However, I'de lie if I didn't say I was finding it a bit hard or convoluted to follow sometimes, as often when discussing revolver evolution you reference half a dozen different episodes, some being multiple years old & i'm not always retaining the info relevant to the current episode. I would find it helpful if there was one place where I could click and get a refresher on "this is a Warnent, which was developed at this time & solved X, Y, Z problems, the is a Fagnus....." (probably spelt that wrong, sorry).
However, I completely understand if this isn't something viable for the channel or if its just too damn much work given the extremely busy & compressed time schedule you run on.
I'll keep tuning every 2nd week in because I love your work & I love the style and detail you guys provide, its really bought a whole new planet of understanding of Firearms & Just development cycles in general to me. Can't thank you enough.
Their "Revolver 101" episode does basically this, albeit not going into too much detail on any one system.
@@Remington53 Yeah thanks. They also did a special a year or two ago explaining some of the trouble with revolvers like lack of unified definitions & trouble verifying some of the dates ect that were commonly accepted for the invention of various features.
i dont think ive ever been this early to a history primer!
44:35 And being a warlord of Mars. Sorry, I had to make that joke.
😂 indeed
I use Ballistol
The reason there is no info on John Carter is because he went to Mars. Terrible loss.
Guns are machines. Machines are made by engineers. Engineers use metric. Use Metric.
None of that "inches" or "pounds" nonsense
Your on the wrong side of the ocean
@@tomhenry897 Tell that to the Canadians, or The Mexicans, or the Brazilians, Peruvians, Chileans, etc. Or for that matter the US Military and Engineers.
And this is quite literally a Victorian era machine with which the engineers absolutely would have used Imperial measurements. You picked the absolute worst example to nitpick.
19:03 usually, when i want to depress my extractor, i tell it the adventures of Oliver Twist.
This, in my opinion, is one of the most beautiful Victorian revolvers. And arguably the best looking Webley, aside from the Mk 1 and RIC New Model in my view.
I love everything this channel makes, but really adore the revolver episodes.
Don't feel too bad about not having a bio on John Carter, he was too busy with things on Mars
-sorry couldn't help myself-
Thanks! Consider it a tip.
Apparently someone bought up a bunch of Webleys and are selling them for a higher price 😮
I wish I had bought a Webley back in the 1990's when they were common at gun shows.
Wooooh! Webleys!
John Carter moved to Mars if I remember correctly.
Just speculation about the grip on the revolver they didn’t like. He points the revolver downwards to make it more comfortable. Perhaps the design was for Calvary shooting downwards towards infantry.
There's 40 shillings to a pound sterling or 20 florins, so 5 quid = 100 florins or 200 shillings.
Its actually 20 shillings to a pound
@@markrumbold7977 I'm old enough to have used shillings, there's 12 pennys to a shilling, 240 pennys to a pound.
Biggest revelation in this episode is that Carolinians apparently call dirt daubers "dirt dobblers". Love it.
the hammer pin looks like a lil fang even if it opened unexpectedly up during firing
Next Episode: The Webley "WG" Army & Target Models
Enfield aka "Disasterfield".
Still working on getting my dad and brother to switch to Ballistol, it is good stuff. Thanks for putting me on to it! You’ll have 3 converts eventually, i am not gonna let them hear the end of it
the absolute goat, if i was in the US id buy one in a heartbeat, well when available
Algorithm engagement comment
I also started using Ballistol because of this channel
Back to Warnet ? What did you do to Fanu
Will there be a 200th episode special? Maybe maybe the start of WW2 primer?😁
The ww2 premier already started first with a pistol then with the SKS (the SKS may not be a weapon used in WW2 but you get my point)
Astra 400 was purchased for WW2, so thats been done.
If I only had to carry a revolver and not shoot it, that bird's head grip is absolutely beautiful. If I had to shoot it, it reminds me too much of the Reichsbanana.
Okay sure the bird's head grip might feel bad. But here's my counterpoint. It looks cool.
Very interesting! Thanks for sharing!
The frequent mentions of Belgian revolvers interests me. I'd love to see you explain in more detail what they were.
Might the bird's head be intended to let the gun rotate upward on recoil, facilitating thumb-cocking?
I must say, I do miss the background music you guys used to use.
Was there ever an explanation for why it has been omitted for the past month or so?
Another excellent video.
If Ballistol was a tree, it'd cast good shade.
Great Video!
Hi Mae, Othais and crew
I slowly get the feeling you are being shadowbanned. Could be just a feeling though...
They've been shadow banned for years.
Theyve been steadily growing subscribers. Its been about 50k in the last year or so. I dont think people know what shadowban means.
@@ericmckinley7985
As you point out, that they have added 50'000 new subscribers in the last year. As the indicator says, they are currently at 500'000 subscribers. Yet, we have about 80 comments and 14'392 views by now, almost two days in. Most other channels I know with similar amounts of subscribers would have 80 comments within 5 minutes and more views by now.
As I said it's just a feeling. I could be wrong. And I openly admit that I can't say what different methods of shadowbanning exist. Maybe its just set so that new videos don't show up to subscribers as quick or just once (that's what I experience over time). I know that much of it has to do how I choose content and so on, but something doesn't feel right here.
Other channels with big numbers get few veiws and comments
@@JosipRadnik1the SKS primer has over 300k views. Viewership never matches sub count for any channel, and viewership is fickle depending on the gun. Cool blasters bring the beeg numbers- obscure revolvers do not.
101st !!!!
Thanks!
Othais, could you please explain to me from what (if not Colt´s propaganda) comes to the especially American notion that topbreakers´ lock is somehow fragile and not robust? Especially after this your piece it seems to me complete nonsense.
Webley tried to make a 357 mag and sell it in the US, it didn't pan out
@@jimjames6074 In forties? In the light of the love of Americans to anything British (or European before Glock), no wonder ;-)
Othias has been very explicit in nearly every revolver Primer, and a few Q&As, that that is NOT a myth. There will be more frame stretch. There is less support for the chambers. They always fall out of time faster than full solid framed revolvers.
Probably early models weren’t that strong and idiots using them
It is as simple as, the hinge and latch will wear faster than solid steel. There is no question of that. Early swing out cylinders had their own issues, but once that got hammered out they are objectively more reliable. Now, is that difference is enough to practically matter is less clear.
If you were using a cartridge like .455 Webley or .38 special and you bought a new revolver just firing it occasionally and not abusing it, it probably doesn't really matter.
But if you are running tons of ammunition through it over an extended period, you will get it out of whack.
They also are weak spots if you want to use big magnum rounds or something.
Once swing-out cylinders established a track record of reliability, they just make more sense.
Really plugging the ballistol for all u can lol
And it's the best stuff out there, so we don't care
Another excellent video as always guys.
Not sure if this Michael Kaufmann is the same, but on FreeBMD there is a Michael Kaufmann was married in Stockton Co Durham North Riding Yorkshire. 1874, Thanks.
Perhaps the "Birdshead" grip was to give the weapon a more concentrated striking force when you had to use it by the barrel for clubbing an opponent ? I agree with you about the knuckle probably being better for "shooting from the hip" in emergency situations, when it's not being shot from a "Target stance" !
The No 4 “Pryse” may be the king of the old Webleys, but I wonder how all this development has affected Mae’s opinion on the Mk. 6.
I use Ballistol for cleaning black powder guns ,it works well but smells like dried 🤮🤢,all the best from sunny Troon Scotland
I'm glad that the discussion of your auto-ejecting Kaufman got included in the episode
Its good to see how simple revolvers are compared to a self loadung pistol 😂😂😂
That's some dedication to revolvers!
The depth of your research is always impressive.
Oh I need some of those pliers for my home armorers tool collection.
If you still talk to Mark he has a MK 1 that I gave him.
Excellent.
If you want to know more about John Carter, his adventures on Barsoom were chronicled by Edgar Rice Burroughs.
he was also "of Virginia"
9:23 anyone else see an AR magizine release?!
Nope
Who is the guy on Mae's shirt?
Sam Colt.
Has Othias lost a few pounds?
I think he has, looks healthier anyway
Eeeeek!
and he´s dead
The upside down guns during comparison does NOT work, despite your assurance it does. First, you are already very familiar with the features, we are not. Our brains have to work very hard to flip the image in our minds. We cannot do that so quickly. Second, seeing them in real life, 3D, may help you. The flat, 2d video does not help us. Third, you don't gain significant space in your shot. You may save 1.5" at most. Please actually try them both upright,.tucked kne under the other. That is what is done in ALL publications. No one else does what you do.
We REALLY NEED the pistols to be upright, one above the other. Please, don't be so entrenched with your flawed thinking!
But, thankfully, this is a video, and a high resolution one at that
So if I need more time to process and take a look at something I can always pause, and if I need to actually do some kind of comparison on my end everything is correctly scaled, so I can just cut and paste to make the image how I need
This is also a reminder to always download videos onto your computer, because TH-cam will arbitrarily take things down
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6th, 25 June 2024