History Primer 163: British Tranter 1879 Documentary
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Othais and Mae delve into the story of this classic. Complete with history, function, and live fire demonstration.
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The Firearms of William Tranter : Birmingham Gunsmith
Ron Stewart
Revolvers of the British Services 1854 - 1954
Chamberlain & Taylerson
Howdah to High Power
A Century of British Breechloading Service Pistols
1867 - 1967
Robert J. Maze
Adams' Revolvers
WHJ Chamberlain and AWF Taylerson
The Revolver 1865 - 1888
AWF Taylerson
Tranter Cartridge Firearms
Joel Black, Kerry Guerin, Roger G. Michaud
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"Don't give this gun to your kids." Agreed. Give them a Riechsrevolver instead. Builds hand strength and character, also will make them appreciate modern revolver and handgun features.
I hate when my kids take their modern revolver features for granted.
@@Lomi311 These darn kids and their newfangled swing-out cylinders.
@@Tunkkis Back in my day we had a single unloading stick and had to share it with the entire unit.
"Weight, weight is a sign of reliability. Plus if the gun doesn't work, you can always hit them with it."
@@Hybris51129 “Now listen up! Back in my day, we didn't have fancy tanks! We had sticks. Two sticks and a rock for the entire platoon! And we had to share the rock! You should consider yourself very lucky marines!”
- Sgt. Johnson
I love the recurring love/hate comparisons to the Colt 1878 in the Maeversations
"Maeversation" should be accepted officially as a technical term to indicate the scale of appreciation of a firearm.
"Don't give this to kids" as oppose to other antique British revolvers which are perfectly acceptable for ages 3 and up.
“The British Army clung to their single shot pistols for too long”
Me: Hold up
Donating for 4 years and subscribed since the original lebel 1865 episode. Glad to see history and historiography of firearms proliferating.
thank
This seems to me to be an exceptionally well-written and presented episode. The explanation of why this gun deserves an episode of its own is clear and convincing. Good work.
If topbreak revolvers are so much weaker than solid frame revolvers then why are topbreak revolvers so cool?
Thats what I thought.
Can't argue that!
Schofield Revolver was a mighty fine shooting iron.
There seems to be a pattern of armies and navies rejecting top breaks for being too weak and then adopting cartridges that barely put out 150 ft-lbs of energy and wouldn't have stressed out a top break anyway.
@@hailexiao2770 Well paranoia is a powerful thing. It is far from unheard of to see a potential, but very unlikely, issue and to either completely avoid something or implement some silly thing.
But more, my understanding is that the big concern with top breaks was wear over time. Not that the gun couldn't handle a given load, but after thousands of rounds over a decade of service it starts becoming an issue. And military pistols were expect to serve for many, many years.
But, yes, top breaks are the coolest revolvers. Snapping it open and the cases flying out is just awesome.
They are the coolest revolvers. :-) My understanding is that the idea of top breaks being weak comes from the era of iron or mild steel combined with uneven loads, fouling and non-interchangeable parts that would total that gun unexpectedly or make it expensive to repair in a decade of military use/training.
From my understanding of metallurgy and chemistry they would be absolutely fine for civil use or shorter military expedition.
Even if your average soldier shoots two drums a week for a whole year? It's just over 600 shots. Big brass with their expense spreadsheets are more afraid that they might not survive two drums a month for 10 years...and then they spend a fortune on rearming three times during two decades. 😀
Something so satisfying about top breaks…
Yup, gotta thank S&W for introducing it in their Model 3 (and its later, more famous variants).
This is, in my opinion, the best looking revolver we've yet seen on Primer.
Have you seen the Swiss revolver episodes? Those things were works of art
You must have missed the glorious Webley-Fosbery, the finest looking firearm ever to exist :)
@@88porpoise It's kind of awkward looking, with strange proportions and a high bore axis. The action is bizarre, too. Still, I hear they were popular with competition shooters due to excellent accuracy and a pleasant trigger pull.
It’s been fun seeing old revolvers, even if they didn’t get militarily adopted.
In terms of British revolvers "militarily adopted" is a bit nebulous. Officers would be buying whatever pistol they wanted, so long as it's firing issued ammo they're all good to go.
Mae doesn't want to play with revolvers any more? Quick, send in more niche .32ACP pocket pistols!
Had Tranter received the contract for the 79 with the British, I am almost certain the refinements found on the Webley would have shown up in no time. Furthermore, had Tranter been around when Webley started up, he would have been pissed. While I love the revolver history, I look forward to more rifles.
Trantalizing!
What I keep wondering is if William Tranter is whom Asimov named the galactic capital after. He's probably not, but who knows where SF and fantasy names come from?
Given, y'know, Isaac Asimov...
Almost certainly not. But it's still a cool, curious connection.
I've been watching you since your first appearance on The Great War channel, and I still love the dynamic you two have. Also, you're about the only gun channel that says "ladies and gentlemen" and it makes me so happy to feel seen.
What a beautiful old gal! I love old revolvers. By this time in history when comparing loading speed of cap-and-ball against 1879 Tranter, you should talk about the use of combustible envelops for percussion revolvers. Envelop-lever-and-cap is still slower than self-contained metallic cartridges, but faster than powder-ball-lever-and-cap.
"Lady hands and slightly better--British Tranter 1879." Mae's new T-shirt!
Give me a Colt in 45. But I like the idea of Othias reading Sam Colt's old letters in a video.
If it's any consolation, I do love the Ta-Pum shirt. Wore in on the train ride from Innsbruck to Venice for the double whammy too.
Also loved the Ta-Pum t-shirt and ordered one. Unfortunately about 2 sizes too small as it turned out... But at least I have sponsored C&Rsenal :)
@37:00 I love when I can tell it's 1:00am and you guys just go deliriously off the rails from not sleeping.
Another great video, I love the in-depth coverage you give to the firearms.
Woo engagement. Starting over on the primers as background noise for my HoI4 sessions, 3rd run through.
I have grown to love the history lesson thanks
Please do a series on the Merwin and Hulbert revolvers. Thanks.
Yes!
I'll be honest, I don't care about WW1 guns outside of a select few, but this series is so well researched and presented I watch every episode.
Love the interaction. Makes the show so entertaining.
You guys seem to be having so much more fun during the Maeversations these days, it's great to see!
Much love and appreciation
Thanks that was really great to see.
Great episode as usual, envy your ability to get the research accomplished! Sweet!
Thank you for another great awesome educational, interesting and informative video. I love the channel.
Big Fan of Mae !!
Great episode guys and Bron's animation's are absolutely the best in the business.👍✌️
Outstanding presentation animation and action step by step operation, as far as hand size remember people in general were slightly smaller than today by standards. It's awesome to still have these working historical guns in hand ! Thanks for a awesome video !!!
I am so proud as a patron to be contributing directly to the continued deterioration of Mae's sanity. 😊
I love the horse trading at the end. :D Cavalryman is going to be wearing gloves, so a transfer of a hot barrel to left hand not such a big issue.
Such a beautiful gun.
Mae doing a Rage Wheel gun show would be a new direction for the channel.
That's a beauty
Very cool video about an under-appreciated early top-break. I must say I miss your “War Were Declared” interludes… And I can’t believe you haven’t joked about Bruno yet.
Love top breaks, simple as.
Thank you
I can't think of a finer birthday gift than contextual firearm history!
@TELEGRAM@CRsenal lol! You're not catching me that easily, you rascally rabbit!
I actually have one of those antique status in Canada 🇨🇦 thanks for the info on it mines in great shape being so old
Honestly mine was marked 450 and 455
That's some pretty impressive shooting, Mae.
At some point I want to see an episode just about the firearms on display in the background.
Awesome, y’all keep it ip
Is the notch in the hammer also an "out of battery" safety in that a slightly out of alignment latch will block the hammer?
Edit: The answer is yes. Nuts on me to try and comment earlier in the video so I don't forget to "engage"
Woooh, more revolving
Very nice presentation. I also have an early 1879, marked Cogswell & Harrison, tight lockup and shoots beautifully. They really are a superb revolver. I'm glad you mentioned the cylinder release lever being moved from vertical to horizontal. It seems that only the first 100 or so had the vertical lever. All vertical lever guns I have listed are between 4019 to 4105. By 4114 the lever is horizontal. Also worth mentioning that the later Kynoch-Schlund revolvers used a similar barrel and what appears to be identical cylinder release and ejector system as the Model 1879. I'm interested if you plan an episode on the development of the Enfield Mk I, particularly on the influence of the mysterious Baron Thornton de Mouncie. I own a Thornton marked revolver that is thought to be one of those supplied to Enfield for evaluation in 1877.
The madlad actually did it -- I can't believe you found one! I wonder if later production versions were left with unstepped cylinders for 45 Colt for colonial sales, when the army contract didn't materialise.
Loading a revolver quickly was essential in the Victorian army when native troops might be advancing on you very quickly with sharpened slices of guava fruit!
My goodness,this gentleman knows his guns,encyclopaedic knowledge.
awesome
You guys could write a proper reference manual on all these old guns. There's bound to be a huge market for that.
~44:00 and the discussion on the sights. I just wonder if that was some kind of a preference of fad of the day. Because that seems like such a common complaint from a lot of these late 1800's to early 1900's handguns that the sight are just tiny. And then there are the weird grip angles (which to be fair might in some ways be a hold over or a design vestige from the old flintlock and percussion days, if you start looking at the grips on those), so I wonder if there was just some marksmanship school of thought that was really popular that emphasized the way you hold the gun that also infuenced the design of the sight in that "oh, you barely use them anyway as soon as you learn the proper grip! Harumph, I say!".
Or maybe I'm just reading too much into things and there's some other explanation. Not necessarily a rational one, but an explanation.
I suspect that the idea was that you were either bullseye shooting, and thus the fine sights were an advantage, or were in a jam and point shooting, and thus sights didn't matter anyway.
+1 for “Old Guns” t-shirt pre order.
"You know how the trigger do." A Zefrank1 reference... Sweet. You really need to hand it to Mae butt first... I mean, but first, a word about the history. Hey, it actually works!
Not a bad shooting revolver at 9 meters; pretty good accuracy. Nice shooting, Mae. I would like to see a .500" Tranter revolver and cartridge reproductions and see how Mae shoots that revolver. I have never seen one shot on any range I frequented when I was younger.
.577 Tranter FTW!
I need a shirt that says "Old Guns!" with some crossed revolvers and a silhouetted beard and glasses!!!!
The Ta-Pum shirt happens to be my favorite.
I would literally love a shirt that just says "OLD GUNS" on it with no context.
"Music Band"
Wait! You aren't going to give every British revolver its own episode? Well there goes my hopes and dreams.
I realize it would magnitudes of difficulty more than the previous, but a project lightening style thing for top break revolvers is a dream of mine.
I've actually walked the Alps with the Tapum shirt, but not mount Ortigara yet @c&rsenal
Good Video
I really want to see a picture of "Deranged Othais" with yet another, obscure, broken revolver
Hey, I love my Ta-pum shirt!
I bought the Ta Pum shirt and love it. It's a shame it didn't catch on.
It really looks like a quality weapon.
Ok, 59:50 as a lefty, this is a misnomer. I find it awkward to hold my SAA clones in my left hand and load them. It's more ergonomic to load them in the right hand imo because you just simply turn your wrist inwards with it in your right vs outwards in your left. I can't turn the cylinder with my thumb or forefinger with either hand so I can't make it faster that way.
I could use a shirt that said "old guns".
Honest to God the TaPum shirt is my favorite and I get the most compliments on it. The cycle of violence is my second favorite but I have gotten more than a couple negative looks wearing it lmao
I found a mention of patent 8384.-Improvements in breechlocking devices for revolvers and other fire arms. A. Fagnus and B. Nossent. May 21.(Field Saturday 01 June 1889) - what's the betting that Othias has already seen it, read it, bought the T-shirt, etc.?
I love the old revolvers
I really enjoyed this episode.
I like top-break revolvers more and more and your work is giving me arguments :)
Edit : prequel to Trantel ? The Pranter ?
A classic
This gun is a prime example of a remake needed in .357/38 spl.
Make the rebounding hammer shirt but have it say “WITCHCRAFT!”
I need this "she's a witch!" shirt xD
Man I love the aesthetic of these early European revolvers.
I would totally buy an "OLD GUNS" shirt, just sayin'
When you make me the "old guns" be sure to use one of those fonts that you would see in a handbill in the 1800s.
Im a fan of the old guns shirt
How can the "locking block" have any affect if it's angled on the rear face, any pressure on it would cam the gun open? Like you said though break open guns only need locking for mechanical reasons not strength.
you are the best. Keep making more videos like this. also where is the 1911 video? Did you make it to Ogden yet?
Could you please make a video about British revolver ammunition?
It's me or there's a SMLE with a (seemingly) set of galilean sights? There will be a chapter about that?
the really sad cello always brings me down until someone starts shooting an antique pistol from World War 1
I love my Ta-pum shirt - buy more Ta-Pum shirts people they are awesome
The reload issue on percussion revolvers is solved by having pre-loaded cylinders for a Remington New Model Army revolver and swap out the spent cylinder.... ;P
Woo!
Are you planning to push all the way into modern revolvers like the S&W 629, Colt "snake" guns and Ruger Super Redhawk? I assume that jerks can't buy up the supplies of those guns to spite you, so I didn't think that there would be too great of a penalty for revealing that. I ask because this series puts into perspective how different modern revolvers actually are, particularly with the swing out cylinder arrangement. I would love to see an illustration of how everyone finally settled on that arrangement as optimal.
Revolvers, what comes around....goes around. I like revolvers.
What's up with the primer on the cartridge at 23:26?
Pre-Tranter, a Pranter? What gun did Ned Kelly use?
I love my Ta-Pum shirt. But I will buy an “Old Guns” shirt if you make it in the Forgotten Weapons font.
"Old Guns" shirt please!
I have always liked top breaks. For some reason they just exude steam punk to me. Wish I had gotten a Webley back when they were more common. The reproduction Schofield has also been a favorite but always just out of my reach.
It looks British because it has continental European lines (scalloped surfaces, polygonal barrels, straight grips) and American proportions--the top strap is thicker than aluminum foil and the cylinder isn't stupidly short for its width.
I bet this would get a yes for the Great War even.
So when are we getting the “Old Guns” shirt?