Genesis-Hundai-Kia are rocking EVs! We are on the verge of a renaissance in design. The same "skateboard" can support an infinite number of designs. It will be super cool when customizers can order a "crate" skateboard and design the "top hat." Hope the regulators certify the skateboards and not required separate certifications for each top-hat.
The GV60 is awesome. One of my all time favorite vehicles. The fit and finish, the acceleration and drive, the technology… And even has a crystal ball.
The Koreans are taking the EV move seriously. Hyundai is launching the Ioniq into its own standalone EV exclusive brand. While Hyundai, Kia, and Genesis will slowly transition into EV. There’s a new Korean brand called Edison Motors who recently showed a concept truck called the EFT. Korea seems to be wanting to lead the EV move with affordable vehicles.
You guys missed the most critical issue with this vehicle, the range is one hundred miles shorter than a vehicle in this price class should be. It does not matter how good the interior or handling is, if it does not address the range anxiety concerns it will be dead on arrival.
In the 80s my dad taught me to turn on the lights before setting into motion. In the 90s I drove a delivery truck for a massive company & we were told to always turn on the lights. The philosophy was anything you can do to increase your visibility to other drivers is a plus. I've been running my fog lamps, whenever my headlights are on, for 9 years (on a 17 year old car) without changing a bulb. I don't drive much though.
I agree with the being visible mantra, but I don't think fog lights add much if you also have your headlights on. Most modern LED DRLs are really plenty bright enough for visibility
@@sssssneaker True. I don't have LEDs. My fog lights don't do anything for others seeing me but do aid my seeing with foggy (17 year old) headlamps. I just got lazy & don't turn the fog lamps off.
@@michaelsprinzeles4022 Range: N miles. 0-60: R seconds. Top speed: T miles per hour. MPG's: A MPG's in the City, B on the Highway, C combined. MPGE's: O in City, Q on highway. Pricing: $L.Z Nothing is written in stone as of yet but these expressions are to understand that info is still a mistery. Why don't auto makers give the specs as soon as cars come on the market? Plz respond.
The bigger issue with DRLs is them being used at night and drivers being blissfully unaware that they don't have headlights on, they are blinding oncoming traffic and that they can't see properly...
You guys completely missed the point of his lighting questions. He was asking if there is a brightness requirement because when people forget to turn on their lights, the DRLs are so bright they think their low beams are on. So yes there is a minimum brightness requirement because DRLs should be visible in the day. So unfortunately they can be mistaken for the normal lights at night. The other issue contributing to this are instrument clusters that are always illuminated day and night. If you look to Canada, they just enacted a new law to prevent that from happening. He did not ask about using fog lights during the day. He asked about using them when it is clear, aka when there's NO FOG. The only rule is fog lights must be pointed relatively low to illuminate the road directly in front of the vehicle in low visibility conditions. They should not be used when there is good visibility. Your attention should be down the road. Not directly in front of the vehicle.
Love the look of the GV60 and the Koreans are "knocking it out of the park!" And a Tuesday release instead of Friday? Do we get another one on Friday? LOL! Great job as always.
We have smart matrix LED headlights on our Mazda, and it works perfectly. We leave everything in the “auto” mode and the lights turn on when it becomes dark with high beams on in a pattern that doesn’t annoy other people on the road. In fog you can actually see which sectors are turned off when there is traffic on the opposite lane while throwing a long beam in your own lane. Just anazing.
I grew up training myself to recognize vehicles by their lights. Sometimes I could also do steering wheels, rear quarter panels, door cards and such. I’ve always tracked brand signatures and laughed (quietly) at folks that needed to wait for a vehicle to pass so they could see the badge to know what it was.
on the headlight discussion, Audi, Porsche and Volvo all have Active matrix headlights, that only need software update to make them work in the USA on their most current EV models. I almost took delivery of the C40 Volvo all electric with their Pixel (their name for active matrix) headlights. I think Tesla also has them but you likely will have to wait a e-on before they update the models that have that hardware
I have a 2019 Genesis G70 - Genesis' first car - which I love. I'm thinking of switching to one of these in the next year or two. My concern looking at the car is that it sure looks like rear visibility will be bad.
People driving at night with just DRLs on is one of my pet peeves…we can’t see you from the back and you probably can’t see where you are going. As for fog lights, vehicles definitely look better with them on at night.
The fog light problem is that the cheap ones do not have a sharp upper beam cutoff and even those that do, are often mis-aimed and shine into the faces of oncoming drivers after dark. If they are aimed correctly, they should not be a problem.
I own a 2017 Nissan Juke that doesn’t have daytime running lights. So, I use my aftermarket fog lights (which I can turn on and off independently of the headlights) as my DRLs and use them all the time. I actually want to replace the halogen bulbs with LEDs to make them more visible. And maybe the LEDs will last longer as well.
I test drove an EV6 the other day and was disappointed the lane centering was so bad compared to my Model 3. It disengaged around mild cor ers and when passing intersections. They also need to fix the console. When I place the steering wheel where I prefer it, I cannot see how fast I am going. The speed hides behind the wheel. There should be a way to move the speed indicator to the center of the display. It looks like this has the same display, but hopefully the HUD will have all the information hidden behind the wheel. I like the styling of the EV6 over the Y and the GV60 over it as well. I'll consider one of these if I can find a dealer willing to sell for MSRP. I'd move to EV6 now if they fix the price or lane centering.
In a test this car only goes 240 miles - about the same range as a Subaru Soltera. Save your money if you need a car with limited range, and get one that goes off road to some degree. I don't understand how a car with such limited range can get anyone so excited. The Daytime Running Light explanation from Jake was really interesting - I always wondered why they last so long and now I know.
I can't believe people are still zonking the shifter controls on the Ioniq 5 being behind the steering wheel. Have any of you been inside a Class 8 truck? The majority of all Class 8 trucks have the shifters behind the steering wheel. If you not sure what mode the car is in, look at the instrument cluster. SMH @ Consumer Report issue.
They are following the lead of Mercedes. My 2015 Mercedes B-Class Electric Drive (Yes, it's a compliance car.) has the shifter opposite the turn signal (and frustratingly so, the cruise control lever.) I also have paddles for regen, and a regen setting that uses radar to automatically set regen when in traffic.
Nice review. Excited for it to hit the market so I can drive it…not excited about the metallic looking buttons…I make frequent trips to my local CARMAX to see what various cars look like after a year, two years, three years, etc…and seeing how the tech ages, or the interiors. Without fail, all the cars with the aluminum/metallic looking buttons always look so out of date in the used cars I see…usually see them on Lexus and Hyundai cars. So, hope there will be other options for the interior buttons…More range would make it a better seller, but having owned a few EVs and PHEVs, most people don’t need that much. My Kia Niro EV is rated at 239, and I easily get upwards of 300 miles on a charge. It’s used mostly for commuting and local errands and I don’t need to charge it that often.
Great first drive review! I’m impressed how quickly you got this out, beating almost all other US auto journalists! I like all 3 flavors of the Hyundai group products with their very different appearances, interior room and ride vs handling characteristics. Prices are now out and the GV60 is more expensive than top-end EV6 and Ioniq 5 but may well be worth the premium. I do wish the range was a bit more comparable. Did you have time to do range and efficiency testing?
Fog lights should not be used in clear weather, no matter how cool you think they look. A lot of people (myself included) find them annoying as heck when the weather is clear, regardless of time of day. There is a reason they are called fog lights.
From what I have seen, the GV60 should have very similar LOA and wheelbase to the EV6 (and shorter than the Ioniq 5 by several inches). Having driven both the Ioniq 5 and GV60, did you notice the difference in size? Both in terms of driving characteristics and interior space?
You mean to say poorly designed EV‘s are heavier because of the battery packs. Yes the battery packs will always be a super heavy part of an EV. There is a lot of important light waiting that goes on to make sure the vehicle has great range. So let’s just dispel this myth right now the TVs are inherently heavier. They absolutely are not. It’s just bad design that makes some from Legacy auto makers heavier than they should be. Need proof? Look at the BMW I four.
Are the 'fog' lights today really fog lights? My understanding from many years ago, was that the idea of fog lights was to light up below the fog, rather than using your headlights, which would just reflect back from the fog. The old fog lights also used to be orange in colour, to also reduce that bright, white reflection. It's also about time that rear lights were made part of the DRL package, legislated, if necessary.
I don’t like the idea of rear lights on during the day unless mfgs do a better job distinguishing them from the rear lights that illuminate when braking
Fog lights have been white in color for quite some time. They need to be low and or point somewhat low, to prevent reflection back on the driver. A lot of European cars had a rear fog light. I had an Audi A6 that had a single red light on the back that went on with the fog lights.
No mention of KIA and Hyundai dealers ADM, marking up the 5 and EV6 way beyond MSRP, by thousands of dollars? These cars are not that good. No mention of their ICE vehicles catching on fire?
Saw one of these on the road this week. It was ugly and dumpy looking. Major let down. Looked like it should be badged as a Mitsubishi or a new Nissan Kicks.
Not when the price of fuel and maintenance is considered. It will take a few years, but a lot of studies show that over time an EV will ultimately be less expensive than a gas car.
Uff, what a generic shape on that Genesis. Would not look out of place in one of The Cars movies. And that is not a compliment. Ionic 5 is the win between the siblings in presence.
The Soul EV or e-Soul, depending on what part of the World you're from, have been solid choices for nearly a decade. The Koreans have been more serious about BEVs longer than the Japanese brands. Toyota is still to focused on hydrogen (which is obsolete for passenger vehicles) and hybrids, to the detriment to their BEVs. All three variants (Subaru Solterra, Toyota Bz-whatever, and Lexus RZ) from Toyota are a generation behind the Koreans when it comes to charge speed, range, and power.
hyundai hydrogen tech (fuel cell stack) is top of the line and its on 5 years of age. refurbish programs already started and not too many degradation since factory 10 year warrenty is still ongoing. internal test shows max 300k km durability. everyone dont know that there is tucson fcev which is world first mass produced fuel cell car. not mirai. they are working on 3rd generation fcev and working on cost efficiency already. years ahead.
I'll never buy one of these . All evs are connected to law enforcement and manufacturers and can be disabled for any reason at a whim . If it's a case of mistaken identity or whatever reason it doesn't matter. Even if you've nothing wrong , the fact that these are so accessible by so many different groups for any reason at all. If I pay for a vehicle , as far as I'm concerned, NOBODY but me has a right to upload an update or disable it for any reason at all. I'm sure most people have no clue that they have zero choice about updates , disabling services or just plain shutting it down permanently. If I buy something I want to be the only person deciding what happens with it. People don't have a clue what's coming. You will no longer control or really own your vehicle. If the government decides that you're vehicle isn't fit any longer , just push a button and toast! Think I'm wrong? Just wait . Wait til the manufacturer decides or the government decides your car is too fast. Boom , 100hp gone with a push. You won't even be told. They don't have to. Look at the Galaxy Note 7. Another of people fixed theirs, that didn't matter . Samsung shut them off regardless . There was no choice in the deactivation. Samsung did it without everyone's permission. The same will now apply to all EVs . We're screwed.
Genesis-Hundai-Kia are rocking EVs! We are on the verge of a renaissance in design. The same "skateboard" can support an infinite number of designs. It will be super cool when customizers can order a "crate" skateboard and design the "top hat." Hope the regulators certify the skateboards and not required separate certifications for each top-hat.
The GV60 is awesome. One of my all time favorite vehicles. The fit and finish, the acceleration and drive, the technology… And even has a crystal ball.
Love the styling on the GV60! That’s one beautiful vehicle!
The Koreans are taking the EV move seriously. Hyundai is launching the Ioniq into its own standalone EV exclusive brand. While Hyundai, Kia, and Genesis will slowly transition into EV. There’s a new Korean brand called Edison Motors who recently showed a concept truck called the EFT. Korea seems to be wanting to lead the EV move with affordable vehicles.
All luxury EVs needs to be over 300. Under 250 is not acceptable. In cold weather, you'll lose 10-20% more range.
On a Tuesday? Looks like I'm taking an extra long lunch today boys.
You guys missed the most critical issue with this vehicle, the range is one hundred miles shorter than a vehicle in this price class should be. It does not matter how good the interior or handling is, if it does not address the range anxiety concerns it will be dead on arrival.
Not really an issue on the 800v architecture (15 mins from 10-80%), but 248 miles for AWD is pretty typical.
The regen is the best feature in these cars. There is also Auto regen that changes it according to navigation, terrain and the cars in front of you.
So many options to choose from on the EV market, better for us consumers; good looking car 👏🏻👏🏻, great review 🥳
In the 80s my dad taught me to turn on the lights before setting into motion. In the 90s I drove a delivery truck for a massive company & we were told to always turn on the lights. The philosophy was anything you can do to increase your visibility to other drivers is a plus.
I've been running my fog lamps, whenever my headlights are on, for 9 years (on a 17 year old car) without changing a bulb. I don't drive much though.
I agree with the being visible mantra, but I don't think fog lights add much if you also have your headlights on. Most modern LED DRLs are really plenty bright enough for visibility
I’ve been driving with my headlights on during the day since the 1990s and always have my fog lights on.
@@sssssneaker True.
I don't have LEDs. My fog lights don't do anything for others seeing me but do aid my seeing with foggy (17 year old) headlamps. I just got lazy & don't turn the fog lamps off.
@@michaelsprinzeles4022 Range: N miles. 0-60: R seconds. Top speed: T miles per hour. MPG's: A MPG's in the City, B on the Highway, C combined. MPGE's: O in City, Q on highway. Pricing: $L.Z Nothing is written in stone as of yet but these expressions are to understand that info is still a mistery. Why don't auto makers give the specs as soon as cars come on the market? Plz respond.
The bigger issue with DRLs is them being used at night and drivers being blissfully unaware that they don't have headlights on, they are blinding oncoming traffic and that they can't see properly...
You guys completely missed the point of his lighting questions.
He was asking if there is a brightness requirement because when people forget to turn on their lights, the DRLs are so bright they think their low beams are on. So yes there is a minimum brightness requirement because DRLs should be visible in the day. So unfortunately they can be mistaken for the normal lights at night. The other issue contributing to this are instrument clusters that are always illuminated day and night. If you look to Canada, they just enacted a new law to prevent that from happening.
He did not ask about using fog lights during the day. He asked about using them when it is clear, aka when there's NO FOG. The only rule is fog lights must be pointed relatively low to illuminate the road directly in front of the vehicle in low visibility conditions. They should not be used when there is good visibility. Your attention should be down the road. Not directly in front of the vehicle.
Great show you guys! Thanks for including the video. Kinda weird seeing myself on screen
Love the look of the GV60 and the Koreans are "knocking it out of the park!" And a Tuesday release instead of Friday? Do we get another one on Friday? LOL! Great job as always.
We have smart matrix LED headlights on our Mazda, and it works perfectly. We leave everything in the “auto” mode and the lights turn on when it becomes dark with high beams on in a pattern that doesn’t annoy other people on the road. In fog you can actually see which sectors are turned off when there is traffic on the opposite lane while throwing a long beam in your own lane. Just anazing.
I need to order one. I’m on the waiting list. Probably 12 to 18 months in Canada
Gorgeous SUV
I grew up training myself to recognize vehicles by their lights. Sometimes I could also do steering wheels, rear quarter panels, door cards and such. I’ve always tracked brand signatures and laughed (quietly) at folks that needed to wait for a vehicle to pass so they could see the badge to know what it was.
Great video! The Genesis GV60 is a really beautiful car with a dynamic design and a luxurious interior. Excited for this EV to hit the market !! ⚡️
on the headlight discussion, Audi, Porsche and Volvo all have Active matrix headlights, that only need software update to make them work in the USA on their most current EV models. I almost took delivery of the C40 Volvo all electric with their Pixel (their name for active matrix) headlights. I think Tesla also has them but you likely will have to wait a e-on before they update the models that have that hardware
Yes, I believe Tesla's have this technology starting with the 2021 model year. They will ultimately be activated now that it is legal.
I have a 2019 Genesis G70 - Genesis' first car - which I love. I'm thinking of switching to one of these in the next year or two. My concern looking at the car is that it sure looks like rear visibility will be bad.
Noooo..ev are overrated... gas vehicles work like their supposed to..
@@ebonix33 Well hyundais/kias ICE cars are blowing up...
.. Oh wait batteries can blow up as well. Cue Galaxy Note 7
NVM
People driving at night with just DRLs on is one of my pet peeves…we can’t see you from the back and you probably can’t see where you are going. As for fog lights, vehicles definitely look better with them on at night.
The fog light problem is that the cheap ones do not have a sharp upper beam cutoff and even those that do, are often mis-aimed and shine into the faces of oncoming drivers after dark. If they are aimed correctly, they should not be a problem.
Lol Who is able to get these EVs at MSRP?
$59,980 and sales started today
I own a 2017 Nissan Juke that doesn’t have daytime running lights. So, I use my aftermarket fog lights (which I can turn on and off independently of the headlights) as my DRLs and use them all the time. I actually want to replace the halogen bulbs with LEDs to make them more visible. And maybe the LEDs will last longer as well.
I test drove an EV6 the other day and was disappointed the lane centering was so bad compared to my Model 3. It disengaged around mild cor ers and when passing intersections. They also need to fix the console. When I place the steering wheel where I prefer it, I cannot see how fast I am going. The speed hides behind the wheel. There should be a way to move the speed indicator to the center of the display.
It looks like this has the same display, but hopefully the HUD will have all the information hidden behind the wheel.
I like the styling of the EV6 over the Y and the GV60 over it as well.
I'll consider one of these if I can find a dealer willing to sell for MSRP. I'd move to EV6 now if they fix the price or lane centering.
Might go GV60.
In a test this car only goes 240 miles - about the same range as a Subaru Soltera. Save your money if you need a car with limited range, and get one that goes off road to some degree. I don't understand how a car with such limited range can get anyone so excited. The Daytime Running Light explanation from Jake was really interesting - I always wondered why they last so long and now I know.
The lower range isn’t as big a deal given how fast the E-GMP cars charge
For most people the range is good enough, this ev is one of the fastes charging cars out there too.
Hey, it’s the dream team today!
I can't believe people are still zonking the shifter controls on the Ioniq 5 being behind the steering wheel. Have any of you been inside a Class 8 truck? The majority of all Class 8 trucks have the shifters behind the steering wheel. If you not sure what mode the car is in, look at the instrument cluster. SMH @ Consumer Report issue.
They are following the lead of Mercedes. My 2015 Mercedes B-Class Electric Drive (Yes, it's a compliance car.) has the shifter opposite the turn signal (and frustratingly so, the cruise control lever.) I also have paddles for regen, and a regen setting that uses radar to automatically set regen when in traffic.
Why are you guys still doing the show remotely? Makes this look like 2020
Nice review. Excited for it to hit the market so I can drive it…not excited about the metallic looking buttons…I make frequent trips to my local CARMAX to see what various cars look like after a year, two years, three years, etc…and seeing how the tech ages, or the interiors. Without fail, all the cars with the aluminum/metallic looking buttons always look so out of date in the used cars I see…usually see them on Lexus and Hyundai cars. So, hope there will be other options for the interior buttons…More range would make it a better seller, but having owned a few EVs and PHEVs, most people don’t need that much. My Kia Niro EV is rated at 239, and I easily get upwards of 300 miles on a charge. It’s used mostly for commuting and local errands and I don’t need to charge it that often.
Great first drive review! I’m impressed how quickly you got this out, beating almost all other US auto journalists! I like all 3 flavors of the Hyundai group products with their very different appearances, interior room and ride vs handling characteristics. Prices are now out and the GV60 is more expensive than top-end EV6 and Ioniq 5 but may well be worth the premium. I do wish the range was a bit more comparable. Did you have time to do range and efficiency testing?
Fog lights should not be used in clear weather, no matter how cool you think they look. A lot of people (myself included) find them annoying as heck when the weather is clear, regardless of time of day.
There is a reason they are called fog lights.
I believe it’s actually illegal in some states to run fog lights or high beams unless conditions warrant it and there is no oncoming traffic
I believe the steering system on the GV60 is different from the Ioniq 5 and EV6 . . . sounds like you were able to feel that.
From what I have seen, the GV60 should have very similar LOA and wheelbase to the EV6 (and shorter than the Ioniq 5 by several inches). Having driven both the Ioniq 5 and GV60, did you notice the difference in size? Both in terms of driving characteristics and interior space?
Don’t think 2022 will be a year when we can determine how well certain EV’s will sell as they will probably see every EV they make! Lol
Seeing several new videos on this car this week on TH-cam… getting the impression they may drop in N.American market real soon.
Thank you so much. It is a very beautiful car. Thanks for sharing.
Hopping is better or equals assembling's than Tesla
Funny how lower taillights dont align between ones on body and ones on moving trunk at 0:27
the bottom of hte front end reminds me of my yaris IA lol
Does it have the same ergonomics as ioniq 5? If yes, for taller individuals, its pretty bad.
There are three versions!!!!!!
It's supposed to be luxury for that price. It's going to be over 60k for the top trims.
Oh, Genesis, no PHEV love?
You mean to say poorly designed EV‘s are heavier because of the battery packs. Yes the battery packs will always be a super heavy part of an EV. There is a lot of important light waiting that goes on to make sure the vehicle has great range. So let’s just dispel this myth right now the TVs are inherently heavier. They absolutely are not. It’s just bad design that makes some from Legacy auto makers heavier than they should be. Need proof? Look at the BMW I four.
I’m gonna chill out in my ice car ( THATS RUNNING) in a closed garage and enjoy this video on my computer. 🤣🤣
Are the 'fog' lights today really fog lights? My understanding from many years ago, was that the idea of fog lights was to light up below the fog, rather than using your headlights, which would just reflect back from the fog. The old fog lights also used to be orange in colour, to also reduce that bright, white reflection. It's also about time that rear lights were made part of the DRL package, legislated, if necessary.
I don’t like the idea of rear lights on during the day unless mfgs do a better job distinguishing them from the rear lights that illuminate when braking
Fog lights have been white in color for quite some time. They need to be low and or point somewhat low, to prevent reflection back on the driver. A lot of European cars had a rear fog light. I had an Audi A6 that had a single red light on the back that went on with the fog lights.
Cross between Ted Cruise and the Joker.
No mention of KIA and Hyundai dealers ADM, marking up the 5 and EV6 way beyond MSRP, by thousands of dollars? These cars are not that good.
No mention of their ICE vehicles catching on fire?
Give me 300+ miles of range, with a performance model, and then I’ll be impressed.
It starts at 59k and it goes up to 70k
68K
Definitely would go for the KIA look dislike all other!!!
Saw one of these on the road this week. It was ugly and dumpy looking. Major let down. Looked like it should be badged as a Mitsubishi or a new Nissan Kicks.
7:42 - and it's reasonably priced says, Mr. Hands. What!! These cars are not cheap and still cost more compared to ICE.
Not when the price of fuel and maintenance is considered. It will take a few years, but a lot of studies show that over time an EV will ultimately be less expensive than a gas car.
Will there be a 2033 GV70?
I Like Jeff.
All this praise for electric cars IS EXACTLY WHAT ELON MUSK has been saying for years
Can you folks talk without saying ‘You know”?
They should’ve called it the EV60. Would’ve made more sense.
EV60 > Any Tesla. Period.
Keith’s bad sound makes good video look bad.
They should get out of their mom's basements and get back to the office.
Uff, what a generic shape on that Genesis. Would not look out of place in one of The Cars movies. And that is not a compliment. Ionic 5 is the win between the siblings in presence.
These have to be the most misinformed and confused auto journalists I've ever watched. So many inaccuracies it's mind blowing
The Soul EV or e-Soul, depending on what part of the World you're from, have been solid choices for nearly a decade. The Koreans have been more serious about BEVs longer than the Japanese brands. Toyota is still to focused on hydrogen (which is obsolete for passenger vehicles) and hybrids, to the detriment to their BEVs. All three variants (Subaru Solterra, Toyota Bz-whatever, and Lexus RZ) from Toyota are a generation behind the Koreans when it comes to charge speed, range, and power.
That's kind of Toyotas thing. They are rarely first to debut a technology because they don't want an immature technology to have quality issues
hyundai hydrogen tech (fuel cell stack) is top of the line and its on 5 years of age. refurbish programs already started and not too many degradation since factory 10 year warrenty is still ongoing. internal test shows max 300k km durability. everyone dont know that there is tucson fcev which is world first mass produced fuel cell car. not mirai. they are working on 3rd generation fcev and working on cost efficiency already. years ahead.
Boring design. Not understated "enough" to be well done understated. Not bold "enough" to be well done bold. Screams "meh"....
Looks unappealing.
This Genesis is possibly the ugliest vehicle I’ve ever seen. Wtf is this sht?
I'll never buy one of these . All evs are connected to law enforcement and manufacturers and can be disabled for any reason at a whim . If it's a case of mistaken identity or whatever reason it doesn't matter. Even if you've nothing wrong , the fact that these are so accessible by so many different groups for any reason at all. If I pay for a vehicle , as far as I'm concerned, NOBODY but me has a right to upload an update or disable it for any reason at all. I'm sure most people have no clue that they have zero choice about updates , disabling services or just plain shutting it down permanently. If I buy something I want to be the only person deciding what happens with it. People don't have a clue what's coming. You will no longer control or really own your vehicle. If the government decides that you're vehicle isn't fit any longer , just push a button and toast! Think I'm wrong? Just wait . Wait til the manufacturer decides or the government decides your car is too fast. Boom , 100hp gone with a push. You won't even be told. They don't have to. Look at the Galaxy Note 7. Another of people fixed theirs, that didn't matter . Samsung shut them off regardless . There was no choice in the deactivation. Samsung did it without everyone's permission. The same will now apply to all EVs . We're screwed.