Which V8 Is The King Of The Road? HSV GTS vs C63S AMG
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Welcome to another Episode of Ross Reviews AU on this weeks Video we take out both the HSV GTS LSA W507 Edition & the C63S AMG with Upgraded Turbos + Stage 2 Tune! Both cars cost around 100-130k used, both RWD & weigh in around 1.7-1.8Ton.. This Should be Fun!
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Which V8 Is The King Of The Road? HSV GTS Vs C63S AMG
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Migrating from Croatia, I prefer Mercedes because its something we grew up with. But that manual transmission in Holden and power under the bonnet looks like fun!
You will love it here mate.. the Aussie car scene is quite good
You can't go wrong with either of these cars, but I would lean towards the manual GTS. Plus you know it's always going to hold its value better and probably be more reliable than the Merc as it ages.
I'd definitely not get the Merc. Not many left of the previous na model already and the newer one is more complicated and therefore more expensive in parts from AMG.
yep you can never trust europoean reliability
@@Low760 Do you own an HSV? No different parts price wise. Let me tell you though, If my VF was the same price as a C63, i'd swap it in a hearttbeat.
The C63S is the last of the V8 model now that the new one is hyrbid/4cyl turbo and will hold it's value moving forward. It has also proven to be a reliable platform. If I had the option I would choose the C63S.
@@gavinr9107 That’s a good point Gavin. Euro fleet emission targets are going to ruin everyone’s fun sooner or later. I’m sure the new 4cyl C63 is fast as hell but its also 2.3 tonnes 🤮
The old V8s weigh heaps less and probably have better fuel economy in the real world.
The C63 sounds nutty. I heard a modified one a few years back, it sounded kind of like a boosted Harley. These two cars couldn't be more different in character. When the new C63 arrives with the turbo 4 pot, we'll miss the V8 when it's gone.
Rip V8s 🥲
@@RossReviewsau they’ve been saying this for years & the V8 still lives. With green renewable, non fossil fuels, cylinder deactivation etc the V8 & V12 will be with us for a long time to come. Remember that electric cars are only carbon neutral when they’re charged by renewable sources. Not coal or gas.
Definitely the merc.had a good play in a 2019 c63s and everything about them is wow love the mood lighting inside at night.the power is perfect
They are a beast
Manual GTS for sure. Only downside is walkinshaw. I put mine thru walkinshaw. It was a desktop tune only after the walkinshaw mods were added. My car ran rich and rough until i took it to a custom proper tuner.
My tuner fixed the running issues and gave me an extra 50 horse power. Would love it if this vid included dyno charts too !!
Sadly we didn’t have the charts 🥲 was frustrating I know.. interesting about walkinshaw tho I guess makes sense as it’s more of a production line tune
Such a hard choice!!!! But i’d have to go the GTS
Fair call! Def a hard choice
My brother owns a 2021 GLC63s coupe. I love the sound of the 4.0L Twin Scroll top mounted turbos. But man I love my Holdens. Being a car detailer the HSV’s that come in really solidify that love for holdens
Something special about them ey
@@RossReviewsau same as the G6E turbos we have in. They’re something else. When they hit the the first stage of boost they are golden
That supercharger whine at 3mins ....I could listen to that all day.
Gotta love that noise
Another great review, Ross. I really love both of these cars. They both sound and look great. Looks like a lot of fun with the paddle shift on the Mercedes. It would have helped a lot with getting the faster time. Looking forward to your reviews from Queensland.
Thanks for watching! Some great cars from qld are coming
I'm pretty sure the GTS would of had paddle shifts had it been an auto. Series 2 Redline VF SS had paddle shifts as standard across all Auto models
@@BrickLayingStud they do yes.
@1 6 gen-f 2 had the paddles not series 1's.
Great comparison , i heard stock out of the box the GTS was side by side with the AMG up to 120Kph then the AMG started to pull away. Both are awesome cars but its the GTS for me everyday of the week ... they absolutely saved the best for last !!
I’d love to race them down a drag strip! Be interesting the result
Great video dude, having driven plenty of c63s.. tuned or otherwise you’re right on how different they are in their own ways. Looks like the c63 was an edition one with the red carbon and stitching ect. They sound fat as. Also the w507 package is just intake/exhaust/pulley/tune.. has a stock LSA cam.
Intake on it doesn't look like the Walkinshaw intake.
Glad you enjoyed this mate
I’ll choose the gts anyday
C63s for me
Good stuff
@@bslothed3211 idc if the amg’s quicker. I’ll still pick the gts even over a Lambo which would definitely eat the amg alive 😂😂😂. It’s not always about who’s quicker 🤦🏽.
It’s slower
@@justiceserver1817 doesn’t bother me
I have an C63s edition 1 in white…thought about selling it but might keep it now…the best car I ever owned !!!
They are a beast
like both cars. great mods in each. for fun/to go to work both cars put a smile on your face...like the plate "next ride"...values only going up...hsv manuals will have its own character.. c63s in sports + and in manual mode so much fun ... you need to find balance between grip and power ... love v8s.. enjoy it.. (ps. I have both a holden and merc benz)..
Right on! Well said both are great 👍
Awesome review! I love them both but I’ll take the Euro if I could only keep one, and only because they really do put some attention into the chassis balance and interior details. In the end it makes the whole car feel sharper.
Definitely could feel that sharpness no question eh… both awesome cars
Mercedes/AMG has done well with their cars but at the end of the day it's all driveline.
In the VF I think they nailed it with the HSV models I've been in the GTS and the 2017 GTS-R and had the privilege to drive the GTS-R with the whole MRC which nearly all sports cars have these days and tech not all cars have 10 inch diffs and a full driveline to handle 1000hp before upgrades including gearbox too that goes for the GTS aswel. And there has been GTS's pushing 1300 with the factory driveline without even snapping an axle. I'm a huge AMG fan I love the sound and power but for affordability and easy parts OEM or non OEM I'm going for the HSV also factory GTS-R 0-260 at 18°c private road (auto) 18 seconds ;)
For driveability when I've been passenger in both going through roundabouts at 70-80kmh you don't feel it in the GTS-R I've actually fallen asleep in the passenger seat it's that comfortable if that says anything
@@dylanfosterphotography6985 The GTS-R is a different beast. A properly track tuned weapon.
I love your videos regardless, but how you implement your adapted aussie english so naturally really makes me happy
Happy to hear that mate🇦🇺💪
Hey Johnny...great review mate. I'd take both of them. Ps...At 7:57 you have the biggest Testi blowout lol haha 😂😂
😂 had to send it
I think the GTS looks much nicer, the lines and shape are perfect imo.
Quality to the mercedes. Mercedesbetter to drive. I had one of these vf
It’s a sexy car
The hsv has a beefier sound which I prefer where as the merc was more snap crackle pop. Would be a pleasure to own either,good informative vid cheers.
Totally agree glad you enjoyed the video
The Lebos in the inner West of Melbourne REALLY love their AMG Merc lease cars.
Yes they do. And they probably catch fire too near the end of the lease.
They are also notorious for younger drivers; parking their Mercs in the disabled spots using their parents Disabled stickers.
@@vincekara9446 They're mentally disabled from inbreeding. LOL
I’m with them😎🤣 love a good AMg
They're also insurance jobs which are fixed by their cousins 🤣
They're both great cars in their own right, though I'd probably pick the GTS as the LSA does sound better in my opinion, and it's a manual...
Fair assessment gotta love a manual
I had the Camaro and I've had HSVs I now have the C63s and I've been a Holden man for ever.....but the C63s is a beast which you can live with on the daily ZZzz Germans made a diamond and they are ultra reliable
Yup you can feel that difference completely agree
Both cars are great daily drivers & great GT cars. Plenty of room for a couple of bags, power for days in exceptional luxury so after 8 hours of continuous driving you don’t feel like you’ve dropped the soap. The. Closest I’ve come to driving this level of car was a Brabus C63 & that memory will be with me forever.
Your vid’s are so well made mate. Very underrated ❤
Thanks 🙏 hope to be rated one day🤣
I’m a Ford man. When Holden came out with the 2017 HSV GTS W1 I fell in love with that shape. From the front and all the way to the rear end is just a BEAST! I choose the GTS over the AMG.
I’d love to get in a GTSR W1 😍
Oh boy, crazy stuff. C63 for me bro. Great work buddy.
Thanks for the visiting awesome cars eh
No brainer taking the C63S, there's just no comparison in engineering and build quality between the two vehicles. As a collectable the VF GTS wins hands down, it'll appreciate in value where the AMG wont.
You nailed it..
No brainer hsv
Another great review Johnny, just wondering if you noticed a difference in handling between this GTS and the one you reviewed recently on the stock wheels?
The other one was the best.. this one is a little to low so have to take it easy on corners
Recently seen a W507 on a hub dyno. Went 395 kw at the hubs. So 20% drive line loss or 507 is a bit of bull..
Yep hsv notorious for overinflating fwkw
I wouldn’t be surprised if it was dynoed less.. but man it still felt crazy fast at the top a second
It’s 507kw at the motor,
20% driveline loss puts it around 405kw.
395kw at the hubs is a decent number considering these are safe tuned to the shithouse.
Walkishaw is the problem, you can get better results with a decent tuner and a lot cheaper than Walkishaw, you're paying for a name.
@@Seymour_butts 100%.
I do 4.57 sec 0 to 100 in my 2004 E55 AMG with no launch control. And 5.2 sec 0 to 100 in my 2014 E63S again with no launch control!
That’s very good
I loved the review but, I liked the sound of the HSV GTS better.
Gotta love the supercharger
Woah dude the sound of that C63S is so good. Not a huge Merc fan but it sounds like so much fun lol
its been done right that car.. absolute beast
"Symphony of destruction" love it mate
🤝💪💪💪
Another great vid and content! Keep going brother!
Appreciate it!
HSV GTS due to Aussie heritage and growing up with them. Parts are cheaper based on the standard VF base platform unless HSV specific. AMG C63S a different beast based on refinement, acceleration, handling and prestige. We have to remember that the C63 was 50%+ more than the HSV new. They will both climb up in value as the HSV is not made anymore and the C63S is the end of the V8 in its series. I'd rather have the GTS as IMO the future value will surpass the C63S.
Nice points
U mean 100% more when new, not 50%😂😂
@@djkramerd4582 2017 HSV GTS started from $78650 for base to $95590 to top spec. Lets go in the middle and say $85K. 2017 C63S was $179900. $85K x 2 = $170K so basically like I said around 50%+
@@vincekara9446 😂😂 check your maths again
@@djkramerd4582 Check yours. Do a google search on both cars new for 2017 as it was the last GTS year
How much for a service and parts for the AMG? Beautiful car, but I will stick with my VF SSV thanks!
Expensive maintenance for the AMG 🤑
As much as I love Holden’s AMGS are a completely different class of car!! Especially with the higher gear ratio etc
They are the better package for sure
Just subbed! How much kilowatts is this in Horsepower?
Thanks for the sub! 500kw is about 670hp
3.8sec in my c63 stock flaps open,i have had both and the c63 is levels and levels above a commodore.
Killer vid mate. Id take the HSV, more intuitive/harder to drive = more fun
Appreciate it mate.. gotta love the supercharger
Great content 👌 Can't wait for more
More to come!
Good to see West Aussie content 👍
Glad you enjoy it!
Definitely would get a stock VF GTS. They were at 65k before covid so I'll wait till they drop back in value before buying one. Five seat Aussie sedan for a family. Definitely not interested in an AMG that is a size smaller vehicle so you can fit 4 people in there a lot tighter.
Somehow I don't think a VF GTS will ever drop in value. They are the last of their kind - anything with a HSV badge commands a premium price now.
@@gavinr9107 Agreed, I don't think they'll ever get back to pre-covid prices, infact they will start to climb again.
The VF GTS price tag was never under 80k pre covid & currently the cheapest VF GTS is around 90K- I've been watching the market value on Holden's & fords since 2017
Every Holden/HSV owner thinks their car is 1 of 1 and worth so much more than they are 😂
@@ls1hinchy546 actually there were some for sale here in W.A in the sixties well before covid times, then everything went stupid.
Those wheels on the hsv are hideous in that size imo…each to their own
Definitely too big.
I would want them smaller also
Standard Aussie styling, what ya mean lad. Nah I'm kidding, definitely not my cup of tea ahaha
What wheels are that
With thin white wall tires it could make up for the size
Would like to know the actual difference between asking price and sales price on Car Sales and Aussie Muscle Cars etc? I reckon a lot of those low km vehicles are investors who drag them out when they think theyre gonna get absolute top dollar...
Easily still over 100k for a GTS
Ross theres a 7.3 Ford Godzilla engine fitted by Harrop in a Ford XA pumping out insane horsepower 1300+ and more with mods imagine one in an FPV
I’d love to see one of them eh!
Wickeddd ! Long live the GM Holden's !
Glad you enjoyed it
AMG is a better car is most ways but as an Australian the commodore floats my boat. We have no Nurburgring or do we have autobahn so speed is not the main factor it is smiles per mile ❤️🇦🇺
Something special still about the GTS brute 🇦🇺💪
Woulda been good to see these launching without traction control, they both sounded like they got held back from wheel spin. Seeing the speedo of the C63s seemed a bit weak from TC kicking in. IF I ever had the money I would choose GTS any day of the week, you may want to do a review of what it costs to maintain a merc over 10 years compared to a Holden
Hahaha great review bro. Both great pieces of machinery... The personality and driving ability of the driver will determine which car is gonna win in the street..
Well said!
What kinda fuel per 100 kilometers would these be getting you think, if used as a daily
They both would be 12-16 easy.. pushing it would be over 20
@@RossReviewsau Every v8 I have owned never got 12 around town. Always 16 and up, and 20 is easily reached
@@RossReviewsau yeah you should add the fuel usage of some of the cars you review just for a added little info. My 2017 Holden astra lt wagon, 1.4l turbo gets 6.5l per 100. You can daily a v8 turbo fully sick spec but when your stuck behind my astra doing to speed limit its tough shit, 😆 lol
@@matty00866 best to stay off the road then..
@@sykcnt8012 nah bra, ain't fuck all anyone can do about it init
You should come back to car giant and check out the w557 pack gts we have. Just an absoloute weapon.
DAMN ill have to come n have a look!
C63 hands down.
It’s a different class eh
@@RossReviewsau love the Holden. It's a brute. On an engineering level the C63 is just magic.
Well I definitely wouldn't be complaining if I could own either that's for sure brah lol,both are what dreams are made of if you have the cash of course,I enjoyed this thanks Johnny mate.
No doubt! Glad you enjoyed this one
Hey Johnny....great review....I think the smile on your face will take along time to go away........the road warrior....petrol engines....what can you say...
Knew you would enjoy this mark!
My bro has an identity crisis, white Canadian with a Polynesian arm sleeve saying he’s a super wig boy 🤣
Born n raised Canadian but my family is from NZ & part Māori 😎 some people think it’s weird but idk 🤷♂️
Tattoos make you 3o % stronger
From nz I am very lucky I have as sedan 6 litre and c63 coupe love them. Are beasts.
That is a ss commodore.
Very nice! 👏
'No replacement for displacement' he says, twice. Yes there is, you're driving two examples here (clearly a blower and two turbos were seen to be the essential 'replacement for displacement'.
The bigger LS V8 felt powerful in every gear.. the merc you needed to be in the right gear.. I did mention that
I’d rather buy & spend my money on the GTS 💯
Fair call
_Ross, that Merc gave you a woody_ 🤣👌🏼
😂 both mate
Can't beat a supercharged V8 👍🇦🇺🍻
*Yes you can... Can do it easily in the twin turbo C63💯*
@@victorpeirce4753 I guess especially with red stripes and a piece of tin foil under the hood
@@missinglink4205 *Faster than that heavy boat anchor ⚓ Malibu*
So good that blower
Obviously, the Scania V8-trucks with 770hp / 3700Nm is the King of the Road, but these are nice too :D
😂😂🤣 need that review next
Is that up at the Peter Brock crash site?
Yes it was
Yes but the HSV is a much Heavier Car. Take the Difference of Weight off the HSV and they are just as Quick as each other. You should be asking Old School feel to New School feel 😊
😲 you said "fuc*in".
Now i like your channel even more.
😎🤝
GTS all day everyday…. Well done another amazing video thank you for your wonderful work
Glad you enjoyed it🙏🙏🙏
Awesome review. I have a Holden Motorsport edition in Sydney that I would like you to review. It’s completely stock, but thought you possibly would be interested :)
can you shoot me a message on fb or instagram? im coming to sydney next week actually
Great review. Love both cars but being an Aussie I’ll take the GTS.
Gotta love a supercharger
Dam bro that mercedes sounds fricken evil just like you said I would definitely go the mercedes mate thanks for that review I enjoyed it 😊👍
It’s wicked eh! Glad you enjoyed it
@@RossReviewsau yeah it sure was wicked that exhaust note dam its just plain evil lol that interior was nice as well I would choose either but I do love my Mercedes though 👍
I come across insanely loud modified HSVs almost every other day, But i prefer my C63s all day, I have never lost a race to a HSV whether it's auto or manual! I also own a 6.3 NA amg also daily driven with 150 klms! Amg is a much more reliable car, whether w204 or w205, c63 and c63s are hand assembled engines for those who do not know.
Yeah right, get back in your Nissan Leaf ya flog.👍🖕👎🖕
wouldnt say its more reliable the merc... but def the better all round package
@Ross Reviews what you mean you wouldn't say it's more reliable, “Mercedes-Benz vehicles are considered extremely reliable from a mechanic standpoint.
Can't say the same about Holden, I've seen way to many broken down on the side of the road WAY TO MANY!
Couldn’t decide give me the keys to any of them. I wouldn’t care. Love the channel.❤💯😎
Appreciate it man! Agreed can’t go wrong with either
Mb all day love the class must handle better too . Let it build boost before you release the brake that thing should be in the high 3s ..awesome review dude
Didn’t want to break it 😂 but yeh I’m sure it’s capable in the high 3s
C63S very rarely get close to the highly optimistic 0-100 time quoted from factory. When you tune them - the lack of traction is worsened and you get even slower 0-100times. Getting into the threes is near impossible on street tyres on a street.
I love Merc with every fiber in me...but that holden sounds miles better. I have never understood why the c63 sounds so terrible!
The AMG's are well known for snapping timing chains so give me the GTS any day...
GTS I’d have more faith in longevity
HSV for me sounds like a beast
Gotta love that whine 🍷
The question is what's going to be more reliable and whats going to hold its value the Holden I would not touch the Merc no way mercantile nightmare and a money Pitt
I think over time now that there is no more V8 C63 they both will go up In value but yes expensive maintenance
Wait what no way u only have 44k subs
🥲 on the road to 100k still grinding
pretty sure I've seen you drive up in Belmont in Perth w.a
I live in Belmont
@@RossReviewsau Ross no way!, I use to live in Bayswater now I transition over to balga ahah that’s insane !🤞🤜
you should run auto vs auto as manual looses times from shifting. better comparison. for 0 to 100.
Only had what I had
@@RossReviewsau all good bro nice review
i got a sting red ve e2 R8 clubby with a 2300 Maggy. So a bit biased lol
I,ll take the Holden thanks , and it sound's that much better and has a better resale value wait n see
Love the supercharger noise
Nice video. However wrong driver, wrong tyres and possibly wrong tune on the GTS.
Stock GTS are 4.7sec easy under good config and conditions.
You realise the more power it puts down the slower it’s 0-100 will be… same with any car.. it’s 100-200 you see the gainzzz
@@RossReviewsau throw a set of 19 inch michelin pilot sport 4S on there and see how she goes!
And turn off the traction control on the GTS. It seriously hampers their acceleration.
@@RossReviewsau hey mate , not so sure that i agree with your assumptions. 0-100 is important especially from a performance spec. You just have to configure it right. Diff gears and tyres to name two. I know you are selling these cars/commission etc, but geez, i have seen way better gts performance. My manual f gen 2 included.
I'm biased cause I love my GTS, but I really don't like the sound of that Merc 😖
Each to their own 😅
Me neither sounds quite tinny imo 🤙
@@jamieobrien9737 💯
The holden will still be running in 15 years though lol. Holdens are built solid (apart from roof linings lol)
Oooof that sound, GTS r just wooooooow spec
Awesome eh
you know there's supercharged LSX powered commodores out there too (7L V8 W427) 😉
I’d love to see one
Def c63. I’m a merc person. But yes, it is a hard one.
The merc is crazy
Where is Ross from hes good 👍
Canada originally but I’m an Aussie now 🇦🇺🫶
Do you use metric in Canada for cars power with KW or still antiquated HP for power output?
Its not a factory bonnet, the original bonnet is aluminium. I had one from almost new paid $75K and sold it with 80klm 4 years later for $80K and it was as good as the day I purchased it. and yes, I shouldn't have sold it.
It’s aftermarket yes.. carbon fibre
Another great review Ross the devils car is either the gts is an animal let’s loose no tomorrow and the drug dealer’s favourite car is the AMG
Can’t argue there 😂👌
The check engine light on in the merc is all I need to know hahaha, gts all day for me
Hands down the Mercedes is the nicer Car and is gorgeous and insanely fast. Bit sad Mercedes don't come in manual I mean Europe do get manual in lower class Mercedes.
The VF is nice to look at on the outside but I'm more of a VY/VZ fan just from interior and design. personally.
the VZ is the nicest HSV ever made for me eh
@@RossReviewsau hands down
what size are the wheels 20s or 22s
Not sure but to big
C63 all day @ least the roof trim won't fall down 🤣
😄😄👍
😂 it ain’t an Aussie car with out a bit of roof sagging
I bet it will
Get back in ya Camry, tosser.🤣🤣🤣
Bit of an unfair review I reckon.
How can you compare a relatively stock manual hsv with rubber band tires on 22inch rims it didn't come out with versus a quick shift paddle automatic with bigger upgraded turbos and better grip tyres and say the Mercedes won. A auto vf gts with cam upgrade, better tune and ported blower intake with correct 20 inch wheels and good rubber would belt the piss through the AMG.
The hsv has lots more potential. And heaps more fun being manual.
Relatively stock? It’s got the 507 pack & a cam..
those hsv are cool!
Love em 🇦🇺💪
why would you not use the mighty W1?
Because it’s a half a million dollar car that I don’t have 🤣 I would love to review one
GTS HSV IS V8 KINGGGGGG
*C63 FOR THE WIN.💯*
🇦🇺💪😈
Wish this guy could/would actually launch a car, probs not allowed, my old FG Xr6 Turbo manual, light tune and exhaust, was pulling 3.85 best to 4.2s with semi decent tires, on back roads... Timed with VBox and a passenger...
I’m not at a drag strip.. it’s a real work “simple” launch test
@@RossReviewsau Neither was I bro, those roads look a lot nicer too. Happens in every review, guess the owners got/told you to baby the cars. A "simple" launch test is 5.4 seconds with 500+ kw's, better watch out for taxis in a hurry.... It's ok though...
The V8 wins. They’re both amazing vehicles and great value for money. However, in terms of a good investment the Holden wins.
I'm not too sure about the 0-60 times. My 2012 Passat wagon stock does 5.5 dec.
More hp the slower they go 0-100… 100-200 is the gain
@@RossReviewsau No. You just need better tyres when you make more power. More power is pointless without more grip. Throw some Michelin Pilot Sport 4S on and these things will go way quicker. Got them on my GTS with 509 rear wheel kW and I have no issue with getting the power down at roll racing. ie. I can just floor it and it hooks up (auto gearbox and second gear).
To prove it, here's a video of my GTS eating a modified R35 GTR at Roll Racing. th-cam.com/users/shortsvTGNBU6RNJc
My vf Calais 6.2 stock standard is quicker than that.I would be very disappointed spending all that money for those results.👎
@John Williams I'm surprised more don't choose Goodyear Eagle F1 SuperSport. Better size options in Australia. Cheaper than most, best track day tyre by some of the best reviews on line. I also can confirm this after going through many continental & Michelin tyre's. Its only weakness is it isn't at Michelin wet grip standard which is well short of the latest from continental anway.