You’re not wrong!! The FG seemed like more of a linear torqued rocket-ship, made to feel like it has very long legs!! The HSV seemed to be more like a snarling angry beast hunting on the plains of Africa, that would chew up and spit out the foolhardy!! For me, i do like linear torque across a rev range, with that feeling of sublimeness. I think that I would get a bit bored with it though and it would be cool to have both of them in the shed. One for those times when you want a bit more of a more gentle stretch and the other for when you want to get rid of some pent up RAGE!! ☠️☠️😎
Thanks once again Johnny for the opportunity to be featured again on your channel! ... it was great to catch up, meet Mark and check out his very nice GTS. I just wish (for the sake of the TH-cam comments) you had of hit the RECORD button on my exhaust microphone, for a fair exhaust comparison to the GTS 😛😛
I’ve always preferred Holden’s over Ford’s, back in the V8 Supercar days I was more of a Holden fan than a Ford fan, but regardless of which car you liked more or which side you were on, I’ll always have love for both of these Aussie icons. We will never see another classic Aussie rivalry like the Commodore up against the Falcon or the HSV pitted against the FPV. Both brands had killer vehicles and that sweet V8 symphony that we will never experience again. The death of Holden in 2017 and the end of the Falcon around 2016 were sad days for the Aussie car culture. With V8’s being killed off due to strict emissions and everything downsizing and/or going to electric only, manuals being discontinued due to poor sales while the majority of Australian car sales are either family SUV’s or Ute’s it is the beginning of the end for car enthusiasts.
In my opinion the falcon is a better all around car… but when it comes to raw power, speed and looks. You’ll have a very hard time getting around a VF GTS
I dont know about anyone else, I was a Ford nut when I was younger and still love them. Its just good to see both of these cars out and done up nicely. Its pretty shIt that these will dwindle away, they are both such good cars.
Love the Super Charger whine is awesome on the Holden but when the commentator drove it he wasn’t comfortable and seemed to be unpredictable. The Falcon was more manageable and had more power. Both are great cars. It’s a shame that we don’t make cars like these in Australia anymore. We should have protested more and pressured the government to keep them from the history books 📕
How could the 335 Kw Falcon have more power than the 430 Kw GTS? Unless the Falcon has been HIGHLY modified and the GTS in standard trim. With both in standard form the Falcon is a whimp by comparison. Then there is the GTS R at 474 Kw .......... There was no match by Ford!
Awesome review! I really like that the owners keep the cars looking stock. I have personally found the Ford chassis to be mismatched to that glorious engine. It’s good to see the owner working on that side of it too. I know it’s not about 0-100 times in cars like this, but I think they’d greatly benefit from a decent launch control setup through the engine and transmission management control units.
@@Low760 I have never driven a BA but I did own an FPV GTP (Boss 335) and hated the whole setup, other than the engine. I didn’t tune the car at all simply because the chassis couldn’t handle the stock power. I had previously owned a HSV GTS and found that to be much better engineered as a whole package, especially with the magnetic ride control suspension. The FG F6 also seemed to have better balance than the Boss, but still not quite as engineered as the HSV.
@olik9388 the only weak link in the Falcon is the OEM suspension bushes are way too soft. Replace them with urethane and they transform how they drive. I bought a brand new BA2 F6 Typhoon, I did motorsport events with it, often against HSV models, it wasn't even close. The HSVs also imo do not have the same steering response and composure. If you fitted comparable shocks to the very few HSVs that had the magnetic ride you'd see a bigger difference. Not to mention the Barra turbo or the Miami v8 blow the doors off the LS which really is a boat anchor.
Hi. I like the look of the Holden more, but this is only my opinion. Sound wise I like both. Awesome V8 sounds with manual gearboxes. I like these comparisons on your channel. Last time JDM Power compared to Aussie Power (your car) was also nice to watch. Please go on. Best regards Chris
I am a ford man l love both of these cars. The Ford being a quad cam V8 feels more refined and sophisticated, behaved better and delivered the power more efficiently but the Holden GTS was just raw and was a maniac with the edge of the seat rush to it. Both fantastic cars but with distinctive characteristics which l can love and appreciate both.
Fords have always been a better all rounder, and this example is a prime one… but when it comes to raw power, speed and looks. You’ll have a very hard time getting around a VF GTS, I’ve seen videos of that very car put one up (and not just a little one either) on a model S Tesla with all the goodies… says a lot!
Very true. I'd love to see a three way competition between them 😁 Drag 1/4 Roll race 1/2 And one circuit lap. That would be awesome to see these 2 cars do a little battle
Thanks for the great video. I love how you appreciated your mate's cars but did not thrash em. Nice work all involved. These videos feed the beast , cheers.
In the way of sheer in your face power, and looks you can’t go past the HSV… but as far as an all around classy road going racer.. the ford is and always has been just a better car, the DOHC efficiency, the suspension, the interior… just a nicer place to be IMO
I have driven fast cars in my for enjoyment and pleasure tho i can say that super charger whine is just like a jet fighter before it peek reves before it take of into the blue sky and disappears heavily sound that just put a smile on ur face every tome you plant that foot down 😊
Thankyou Johnny for the great review of the 2 cars....the FGX....Is a beautiful car....the owner is a great bloke....Johnny just let you know I have steam cleaned the seat ..😂
VF driver an absolute legend ..no holding back lets it rip ...best driver of all time .. he has done an amazing job on the mods . Sounds crisp like a real muscle car . 🏆 🏁 🏆
@RossReviewsau ...I'm possibly looking at buying one ...I have a vx s2 2000 170k on clock with all extra mods including after market SC .. also a XD falcon with a monstrous massive 460 CI , absolutely standard an absolute beast to drive , Fuel wise vary costly ...looking at late model tech , better fuel economy, comfort , reliability etc either a VZ monaro , last of the vz's or VF .. VF more costly but more tuning avail .. at 6 foot 4 I think the coupe is best option .. more room etc
You'd have to be crazy not to want either one of these in your driveway, but for me, the Ford pips it for sound, just personal preference. Bloody great those blokes wanted to get involved. Great video
ross next time have the 2 drivers roll race or dig would be a nice new feature for your already awesome car reviews...now thats how u build and drive a hsv...whewwww..what a street monster!
@@RossReviewsauI will say, if you set the Shockworks coilovers on their softest settings, it's not much harder than stock and is quite comfortable. The owner of this Falcon seems to have it set too hard for the street. They go up to 12 clicks, and I have mine set at 3 clicks. Anything higher than that and it becomes way too stiff for the street.
@ well this is second hand and we’re comparing $43k, to $55k for a G6ET, and $70-90k for a redline at the time. In 2022 the peak off overpriced holdens
Great review. I do love the holden beastly noise. I do love the color of that blue fgx xr8. I own a black fgx xr6 stock and boring 😂. Great to see owners put great love to their awesome machines. 👌
Crazy good. Tragedy these are no longer and we're going down the path of boring, no personality EVs. You'd love either one of these beasts. That HSV is manic, would scare you but thrill you at the same time.
Just hearing that GTS at full tilt made my skin crawl. Just freaking awesome. Alsp good on you mate. Now thats how you let Ross drive your car so he can truly experience the power of the LSA. Also Ross that Ford was built with power and grip track in mind. These HSV are monster grip also and planted but because thos owner has not got to that point yet. When you add power you have to add tires and so on to put that power down. Basically right now that HSV with stock grip is handling all the extra power its making with no extra grip mods. Hopefully now that he has gotten thr power where he wants it hopefully he focuses alittle bit more to grip and you will see the true potential of that chassis.
The thing is that people forget is they are two different cars, targetted for two different people A FGX XR8 was never a GTS rival it was a SS rival..does that mean you cant do it up to rival a HSV? Absolutely you can, for the coin bang for your buck in power id take the falcon all day long but that chassis just wont ever put the power down as neatly as the HSV will Credit where credits due both owners done an amazing job with the cars, i could imagine how lack luster Ross F6 felt driving home tho..ahhhhh choo...ahhhhhh choooo
I got a brand new XR8 at the start of 2017 when all the Ford fans were going for mustangs and got it for 48/9K delivered from interstate. spent some cash on it, still had plenty of change left over rather than had I have bought a GTS which i had planned to do and the car will beat a GTSR W1 Walkinshaw 557. Of course HSVs are worth more now because this is bogan country but still...your point is correct.
Awesome 😎 video Ross Reviews. I love ❤️ them both but FGX is my pick. They are both beautiful machines. Thank you 🙏 for such a awesome 😎 video on such beautiful machines.
@@jamiejenkins4583 But think how much they cost when new....the Falcon XR8 SPRINT was only $59,990, while the HSV GTS set you back a minimum of $75460 ! That $15,470 difference would pay for a LOT of fuel back then mate !!
@arkhsm you are correct yes. I would love to own either! My point is coming from the point of even the entry level Evoke (which I personally own one) is a nicer place to be than any of the last Falcons.
America has the best muscle cars in the world, i love mustangs, camaro ss and charger/challegers. They are much nicer looking then aussie muscle cars lmo.
dude you guys have challengers and chargers, mustangs, camaros, corvettes, vipers, and youre still not happy like wtf? Let us be with what we have.... which is all dead now anyway....
Gees that Ford sounds nice. Always like an engine that gets great horsepower from mal cubes!. I'm not big on supercharger whine..Both are monstrous cars and no probs with power on either, Maybe shifting 1st to 3rd on the 0-100kph run would give slightly better traction? - might be risking clutch??..-I can't believe they both run stock clutch/trans -Insane!
@@RossReviewsau I've got myself some VFs. I have a VF 6L Calais V sedan and a SII SV6 black edition wagon. Love the VFs but I did just get rid of 2 nice Ford's for them... Woops
great to see tufgnf again, car has even more presence in person than it does on video owner is a hell of a nice fella too hope to run into him again soon at some local meets, great reviews as always ross keep them coming
I think the main problem with these Australian legends is we just need way bigger front tires for even more braking performance. Might need an upright redesign to something like the modern M cars have. Would never be adr approved tho
That’s a lot of torque to be unloaded onto the tyres between each shift. You can see it on the Dragy graph - bulk time being lost between shifts and exacerbates the tyre spin. 12sec street cars. Looks fun no doubt
Far out mate, your face in the gts xD. The vf gts lfa is my upper dream model holden to own on the newer end. The xr8 sounds fkn tough though! But damn that gts is mental haha
Wish you could test an e49 charger, 0 to 100 in 5.9 seconds, quarter 14.1 . The old 1972 tyres were terrible so would be better today easily. The 265 was the Barra in the old days.
aussie is and will forever be holden country!!!! @13:29 ross instantly realised why us v8 holden boys will never buy a barra the pure roar of a worked v8 while shifting gears on the street is unmatched forever!!!! #ratherroarthanwhistle
Aussie will never be Holden...Ford introduced the V8 to Australia, Ford set the benchmark for what a muscle car is from the 60s right thru to the 70s with the hoeys, Holden like it did its entirety followed what Ford was doing.....like it not history tells the story not opinion
@@GreendragonDMX1it was only a few years between the Ford v8 and the Holden v8, and regardless holden/Gm perfected the aussie v8. Australia is Holden country, and always will be!
@@Internetbutthurtold pushrod tech... If you look into it there's only 6 or so years separating them at the start of 1900s. Also the 5.0L is much larger and heavier especially up top having to hold 4 cams up high.
you know they are just using a stopwatch aye , barely accurate is it, i have a stock ve with a 6.0 and that does 0-100 in 5.3, so my stock ve would bet a 748 wrhp sc vf ,i dont think so, seriously it would piss over a passat
The gearing in the Falcon seems tall, needs gears to wake it up a bit and make it more lively like the GTS. Cant compare pacemaker to Difillipo/manta either.
Has to be FGX for me die hard ford man for over forty years now with a better louder exhaust system again fitted it would of been similar sound to GTS the ford had a quicker 0/100 time 5.6 seconds
from what i could read, the connecting rods in the 1993 4.6 SOHC and the same as the 5.0 and 5.4 ford engines made in the usa... but that year code 1993 comes up as 128'000psi tensile and the aftermarket 4140 rods are only 90'000psi tensile. other years got 55'000psi tensile rods with aluminum pistons... not easy getting that info but i think the upper range of the minimum 128'000psi rods was 875lbft. "axles snap like twigs"...
You're probably thinking of the Supercharged 4.6 DOHC Terminator Mustang Cobra, of '03/'04 which came with Manley Brand Forged H beam rods from the factory !!
I have a soft spot for both Ford & Holden...both great builds very clean the thing for me is I will choose Holden..Ford generally suck with interiors. Great video bro. Yea I have winged seeing cars I can afford be we needed see this. Would love to see these two battle on a quarter mile.
@@RossReviewsau just FYI, I found a place called Dalta Autosport that sell them. Since watching your video because it was one of the things I've always wanted
Herrods also used to sell them, not sure if they manufactured them too. They put 295s on using the ones they sold but not sure if you could go higher. Dalta Auto ones are said to be good for 315s so i have no idea where he got ones that go to 325...the video shows the XR8 with stock rims and didnt think 325s would fit on them.
Stalemate,both have their place,nice cars but for me missing that muscle look styling on the outside Must be showing my age,but cars these days more space age and rounded Top marks for the review
@RossReviewsau stock bottom end but running Higgins race heads harrop 2650 but new gen which is closer to a heart beat bigger oil reservoirs for the oil cooler and supercharger cold air and custom headers and exhaust to name a few mod for the engine factory box dif no mrc switched to coilovers pretty much built top end stock bottom factory drive train but managed to keep it looking stock bar it sitting on its ass and still putting out more kW then the one showed mad respect to his car but what he's done isn't Max what you can do with that car also mines still got an h pattern 😀
SMALL CAPACITY + BIG 4V HEAD = SOFT BOTTOM END. If the Ford had 1000cc of extra capacity it would FULLY utilise the cavernous quad cam configuration, otherwise it's ALWAYS playing second fiddle!
That's like saying if the LSA had 3 extra cans and 16 more valves it would be better? From what I have seen the largest the coyote platform can go is 5.6L where the LS can go to 7.2L I think
The Camaro ZL1 and CT5 V blackwing in the states has too much of a exhaust note and you can't hear the whine of the supercharger as well as you can with that GTS
Old mate in the gts wasn’t afraid to give it some 😂
No sir 🤣🤣
😂😂 Awesome Stuff 💪
Yeah mate what’s the point in having the power if you’re not gonna use it ;)
You’re not wrong!! The FG seemed like more of a linear torqued rocket-ship, made to feel like it has very long legs!! The HSV seemed to be more like a snarling angry beast hunting on the plains of Africa, that would chew up and spit out the foolhardy!! For me, i do like linear torque across a rev range, with that feeling of sublimeness. I think that I would get a bit bored with it though and it would be cool to have both of them in the shed. One for those times when you want a bit more of a more gentle stretch and the other for when you want to get rid of some pent up RAGE!! ☠️☠️😎
Thanks once again Johnny for the opportunity to be featured again on your channel! ... it was great to catch up, meet Mark and check out his very nice GTS.
I just wish (for the sake of the TH-cam comments) you had of hit the RECORD button on my exhaust microphone, for a fair exhaust comparison to the GTS 😛😛
🥲 technical difficulties
Far out, that Commodore is BANANAS.
It’s wild 😩🤌
no comparison 😂😂 just the sound difference! no to the ford 😂!
I’ve always preferred Holden’s over Ford’s, back in the V8 Supercar days I was more of a Holden fan than a Ford fan, but regardless of which car you liked more or which side you were on, I’ll always have love for both of these Aussie icons.
We will never see another classic Aussie rivalry like the Commodore up against the Falcon or the HSV pitted against the FPV.
Both brands had killer vehicles and that sweet V8 symphony that we will never experience again.
The death of Holden in 2017 and the end of the Falcon around 2016 were sad days for the Aussie car culture.
With V8’s being killed off due to strict emissions and everything downsizing and/or going to electric only, manuals being discontinued due to poor sales while the majority of Australian car sales are either family SUV’s or Ute’s it is the beginning of the end for car enthusiasts.
In my opinion the falcon is a better all around car… but when it comes to raw power, speed and looks. You’ll have a very hard time getting around a VF GTS
Holden's have better interior and features.. that's about it
I'd proudly own either or both of those Aussie legends 🥰
Absolutely
2 bad you can't afford it dawg.
@@tedjames2534 More than happy with what I've got, champ.
Guy in the GTS is your standard Holden driver. 😂
He’s a mad man!
I dont know about anyone else, I was a Ford nut when I was younger and still love them. Its just good to see both of these cars out and done up nicely. Its pretty shIt that these will dwindle away, they are both such good cars.
That GTS just sounds angry. Absolutely love it ❤
mine is a angry beast
so damn good
Love the Super Charger whine is awesome on the Holden but when the commentator drove it he wasn’t comfortable and seemed to be unpredictable. The Falcon was more manageable and had more power. Both are great cars. It’s a shame that we don’t make cars like these in Australia anymore. We should have protested more and pressured the government to keep them from the history books 📕
Thank the unions for that. Going to bat for guys/girls driving forks and broom sweeping that wanted 150k a year….
Simply not sustainable.
That HSV has 430kW…… They seriously went crazy with the VF HSV.
How could the 335 Kw Falcon have more power than the 430 Kw GTS? Unless the Falcon has been HIGHLY modified and the GTS in standard trim. With both in standard form the Falcon is a whimp by comparison. Then there is the GTS R at 474 Kw .......... There was no match by Ford!
A shame we don't have these beasts in the states 😪 way cooler than any mustang or camaro!
Both Ford and Holden went out with a bang, great Aussie cars that will be missed by many.
Amen miss them 🥲
Shame theses cars aren’t made anymore fgx would be my pick. I remember in 2014 fgx xr8 from new where around 52k what a bargain
Good times
they were amazing value!
Loved the review of both cars. I’d love to own both of them. Both are making great power and sound great. A credit to the owners once again.
Awesome review! I really like that the owners keep the cars looking stock. I have personally found the Ford chassis to be mismatched to that glorious engine. It’s good to see the owner working on that side of it too. I know it’s not about 0-100 times in cars like this, but I think they’d greatly benefit from a decent launch control setup through the engine and transmission management control units.
Definitely agree, the VF lsa chassis was designed for the power when the fgx was patched from the original ba chassis.
@@Low760 I have never driven a BA but I did own an FPV GTP (Boss 335) and hated the whole setup, other than the engine. I didn’t tune the car at all simply because the chassis couldn’t handle the stock power. I had previously owned a HSV GTS and found that to be much better engineered as a whole package, especially with the magnetic ride control suspension. The FG F6 also seemed to have better balance than the Boss, but still not quite as engineered as the HSV.
its all traction lose and manual but so much fun
They're barges what fkn else do they have to off the besides the dash and raw mechanical grip..
@olik9388 the only weak link in the Falcon is the OEM suspension bushes are way too soft. Replace them with urethane and they transform how they drive. I bought a brand new BA2 F6 Typhoon, I did motorsport events with it, often against HSV models, it wasn't even close. The HSVs also imo do not have the same steering response and composure. If you fitted comparable shocks to the very few HSVs that had the magnetic ride you'd see a bigger difference. Not to mention the Barra turbo or the Miami v8 blow the doors off the LS which really is a boat anchor.
Hi. I like the look of the Holden more, but this is only my opinion.
Sound wise I like both. Awesome V8 sounds with manual gearboxes. I like these comparisons on your channel. Last time JDM Power compared to Aussie Power (your car) was also nice to watch. Please go on.
Best regards Chris
Both awesome cars, shame they're not made any more as they got better and better.
I am a ford man l love both of these cars. The Ford being a quad cam V8 feels more refined and sophisticated, behaved better and delivered the power more efficiently but the Holden GTS was just raw and was a maniac with the edge of the seat rush to it. Both fantastic cars but with distinctive characteristics which l can love and appreciate both.
both are so good! you cant lose with either
Fords have always been a better all rounder, and this example is a prime one… but when it comes to raw power, speed and looks. You’ll have a very hard time getting around a VF GTS, I’ve seen videos of that very car put one up (and not just a little one either) on a model S Tesla with all the goodies… says a lot!
Holden ate it
To be fair both the cars are tuned differently the ford bloke said his car is more wired for track the Commodore is just that raw savage power
true
Very true. I'd love to see a three way competition between them 😁
Drag 1/4
Roll race 1/2
And one circuit lap.
That would be awesome to see these 2 cars do a little battle
Thanks for the great video. I love how you appreciated your mate's cars but did not thrash em. Nice work all involved. These videos feed the beast , cheers.
That supercharger whine on the GTS and when Mark was driving...just Wild.💯%
Hard to sound better then a supercharged V8. I love them both.
Agreed
In the way of sheer in your face power, and looks you can’t go past the HSV… but as far as an all around classy road going racer.. the ford is and always has been just a better car, the DOHC efficiency, the suspension, the interior… just a nicer place to be IMO
Glad you enjoyed the video
I have driven fast cars in my for enjoyment and pleasure tho i can say that super charger whine is just like a jet fighter before it peek reves before it take of into the blue sky and disappears heavily sound that just put a smile on ur face every tome you plant that foot down 😊
Thankyou Johnny for the great review of the 2 cars....the FGX....Is a beautiful car....the owner is a great bloke....Johnny just let you know I have steam cleaned the seat ..😂
HAHA thanks Mark.. was a blast catching up again
VF driver an absolute legend ..no holding back lets it rip ...best driver of all time .. he has done an amazing job on the mods . Sounds crisp like a real muscle car . 🏆 🏁 🏆
He’s a legend and what a car
@RossReviewsau ...I'm possibly looking at buying one ...I have a vx s2 2000 170k on clock with all extra mods including after market SC .. also a XD falcon with a monstrous massive 460 CI , absolutely standard an absolute beast to drive ,
Fuel wise vary costly ...looking at late model tech , better fuel economy, comfort , reliability etc either a VZ monaro , last of the vz's or VF .. VF more costly but more tuning avail .. at 6 foot 4 I think the coupe is best option .. more room etc
Old mate loves the boost good on him for giving it a proper run.. great review mate 👍
The best🤌
You'd have to be crazy not to want either one of these in your driveway, but for me, the Ford pips it for sound, just personal preference. Bloody great those blokes wanted to get involved. Great video
ross next time have the 2 drivers roll race or dig would be a nice new feature for your already awesome car reviews...now thats how u build and drive a hsv...whewwww..what a street monster!
I wish we could have but that’s asking for trouble on a backroad 😅
@@RossReviewsauhire out heathcote park raceway for a private test and tune day and bring all the cars there for heads up grudge racing :)
Keep up the vids mate. Love your work
Much appreciated more to come
Nice cars! Both apex machines! Thanks Ross and the owners! Why not get them on the track for a time comparison?!
would love that!
Dead set one of your best videos ever Johnno! Both cars are EPIC !
Both those cars are sick. Awesome job guys!
Appreciate it!
I got Shockworks suspension for my VE too and it's amazing. The handling is transformed.
that FGX is so flat in the corners
@@RossReviewsauI will say, if you set the Shockworks coilovers on their softest settings, it's not much harder than stock and is quite comfortable. The owner of this Falcon seems to have it set too hard for the street. They go up to 12 clicks, and I have mine set at 3 clicks. Anything higher than that and it becomes way too stiff for the street.
Both them cars roaring is music to my ears❤❤
Some of the best Australia ever built
Beautiful examples of Aussie muscle cars at their finest. I ain't a ford or Holden man... I am an aussie v8 man. Thoughly enjoyed that Ross.
2 of the best
@@grantdenniston2839he’s a fan of both
I can't pick between these two man because I love them both so it's a draw lol,excellent review brother cheers.
Man I love both if at the the time FGX’s and vf redlines weren’t so much I would’ve ended up with one but instead I got a WN2 Caprice
MAN I MISS AUSDM :(
They were not expensive in my opinion they were cheap for what you got
@ well this is second hand and we’re comparing $43k, to $55k for a G6ET, and $70-90k for a redline at the time. In 2022 the peak off overpriced holdens
Both great cars, however the XR8 is a little less scary to drive while the GTS is just nuts!
Both are wild but yeh the hsv is loose
The xr8 is a gentlemen's car and the gts is a man's car😎
@@jmac822 Yep, you could put it that way
Great review. I do love the holden beastly noise. I do love the color of that blue fgx xr8. I own a black fgx xr6 stock and boring 😂. Great to see owners put great love to their awesome machines. 👌
always top videos Ross! keep em coming!! SA is lit for fast st cars!! when? haha
thanks brother
Wicked vid Ross, that GTS is angry as. Sick machine 😎🤙
🤙
Crazy good. Tragedy these are no longer and we're going down the path of boring, no personality EVs. You'd love either one of these beasts. That HSV is manic, would scare you but thrill you at the same time.
Just hearing that GTS at full tilt made my skin crawl. Just freaking awesome.
Alsp good on you mate. Now thats how you let Ross drive your car so he can truly experience the power of the LSA.
Also Ross that Ford was built with power and grip track in mind.
These HSV are monster grip also and planted but because thos owner has not got to that point yet. When you add power you have to add tires and so on to put that power down.
Basically right now that HSV with stock grip is handling all the extra power its making with no extra grip mods.
Hopefully now that he has gotten thr power where he wants it hopefully he focuses alittle bit more to grip and you will see the true potential of that chassis.
I was so in love with that LSA 😍
@@RossReviewsau it's a monster for sure
The thing is that people forget is they are two different cars, targetted for two different people
A FGX XR8 was never a GTS rival it was a SS rival..does that mean you cant do it up to rival a HSV? Absolutely you can, for the coin bang for your buck in power id take the falcon all day long but that chassis just wont ever put the power down as neatly as the HSV will
Credit where credits due both owners done an amazing job with the cars, i could imagine how lack luster Ross F6 felt driving home tho..ahhhhh choo...ahhhhhh choooo
i still love my F6.. but id take an LSA if i could afford one
I got a brand new XR8 at the start of 2017 when all the Ford fans were going for mustangs and got it for 48/9K delivered from interstate. spent some cash on it, still had plenty of change left over rather than had I have bought a GTS which i had planned to do and the car will beat a GTSR W1 Walkinshaw 557. Of course HSVs are worth more now because this is bogan country but still...your point is correct.
Better comparison wouldve been a GTS vs GT or GTF .
And FGX XR8 is the equivalent or a VF SS. But still a nice reveiw love the vids man!
Only can do what I got
@RossReviewsau thats fair bro! Still love your videos reguardless ❤️❤️
Keep the 275s and throw some michellin pilot sport 4s on it ✌️. Thats what im rocken on my 542kw lsa.
They are good for slightly drizzle days as well
Great tyre, soft grippy compound but as a result, wear out way to quick.
@88kwthomas always a factor, mine have done me good though. Or I must not be giving it enough berries haha
Awesome 😎 video Ross Reviews. I love ❤️ them both but FGX is my pick. They are both beautiful machines. Thank you 🙏 for such a awesome 😎 video on such beautiful machines.
The GTS is a better car to be in.
@@jamiejenkins4583nah Ford all the way
@@jamiejenkins4583 agreed
@@jamiejenkins4583 But think how much they cost when new....the Falcon XR8 SPRINT was only $59,990, while the HSV GTS set you back a minimum of $75460 ! That $15,470 difference would pay for a LOT of fuel back then mate !!
@arkhsm you are correct yes. I would love to own either! My point is coming from the point of even the entry level Evoke (which I personally own one) is a nicer place to be than any of the last Falcons.
Sure wish we had those in the states
They should have been sent there
America has the best muscle cars in the world, i love mustangs, camaro ss and charger/challegers. They are much nicer looking then aussie muscle cars lmo.
dude you guys have challengers and chargers, mustangs, camaros, corvettes, vipers, and youre still not happy like wtf? Let us be with what we have.... which is all dead now anyway....
Gees that Ford sounds nice. Always like an engine that gets great horsepower from mal cubes!. I'm not big on supercharger whine..Both are monstrous cars and no probs with power on either, Maybe shifting 1st to 3rd on the 0-100kph run would give slightly better traction? - might be risking clutch??..-I can't believe they both run stock clutch/trans -Insane!
18:46 mark especially the limiter man ❤❤❤
sounds amazing
GTS anyday. Sounds amazing, looks better inside and out.
I love the GTS
@@RossReviewsau I've got myself some VFs. I have a VF 6L Calais V sedan and a SII SV6 black edition wagon. Love the VFs but I did just get rid of 2 nice Ford's for them... Woops
great to see tufgnf again, car has even more presence in person than it does on video owner is a hell of a nice fella too hope to run into him again soon at some local meets, great reviews as always ross keep them coming
love that car
I think the main problem with these Australian legends is we just need way bigger front tires for even more braking performance. Might need an upright redesign to something like the modern M cars have.
Would never be adr approved tho
they are big and heavy but man so much fun
@@RossReviewsau especially with shockworks
That’s a lot of torque to be unloaded onto the tyres between each shift. You can see it on the Dragy graph - bulk time being lost between shifts and exacerbates the tyre spin. 12sec street cars. Looks fun no doubt
its pure fun thats all
Awesome cars boys 😎 and if u want a little more power you need to get on to the water/METH injection if your still running 98 or go E85 💪🇦🇺😎
Amazing they on 98
Far out mate, your face in the gts xD. The vf gts lfa is my upper dream model holden to own on the newer end. The xr8 sounds fkn tough though! But damn that gts is mental haha
both amazing but man i want a GTS now so bad
Far out what machines they are. Im a ford guy but that hsv was insane to watch. 🥵
So good both of them 😩🤌🇦🇺
Hi Ross, is the any chance push this cars a bit harder? ( unlock fool potential).
The owners went pretty hard? 👀
I’m a ford man but I like both 😮💨
Gotta love both
Wish you could test an e49 charger, 0 to 100 in 5.9 seconds, quarter 14.1 . The old 1972 tyres were terrible so would be better today easily. The 265 was the Barra in the old days.
whos got one :)
as a ford man, that gts is wild, both awesome aussie legends
Great review as usual!!!
Does the hsv actually feel quicker?
Which one sounds better in your opinion?
aussie is and will forever be holden country!!!! @13:29 ross instantly realised why us v8 holden boys will never buy a barra the pure roar of a worked v8 while shifting gears on the street is unmatched forever!!!! #ratherroarthanwhistle
Aussie will never be Holden...Ford introduced the V8 to Australia, Ford set the benchmark for what a muscle car is from the 60s right thru to the 70s with the hoeys, Holden like it did its entirety followed what Ford was doing.....like it not history tells the story not opinion
@@GreendragonDMX1it was only a few years between the Ford v8 and the Holden v8, and regardless holden/Gm perfected the aussie v8.
Australia is Holden country, and always will be!
You can keep your old pushrod tech, thats why the 5.0L whoops the much larger LSA.
@@GreendragonDMX1Ford America did. Ford Australia never had there own V8.
@@Internetbutthurtold pushrod tech... If you look into it there's only 6 or so years separating them at the start of 1900s. Also the 5.0L is much larger and heavier especially up top having to hold 4 cams up high.
Bro that commodore is fucking insane omfg that whine holy moly i love ford but gotta give it to holden in this one wowwww
The whine is insane I would take the GTS also
Bro when I was in school the ford owner was the techy in the library, didn’t think he’d be into that type of power 😂
haha he loves it
LOL
Me stock r36 passat gets 5.6 with awd but that puts in perspective how hard these are to launch as its got below half the power!
you know they are just using a stopwatch aye , barely accurate is it, i have a stock ve with a 6.0 and that does 0-100 in 5.3, so my stock ve would bet a 748 wrhp sc vf ,i dont think so, seriously it would piss over a passat
Cant beat the lsa supercharger whine, shes a nutter alright 🤙
It’s so hot 🥵
The gearing in the Falcon seems tall, needs gears to wake it up a bit and make it more lively like the GTS.
Cant compare pacemaker to Difillipo/manta either.
Was just very grippy the hsv would spin
That VF is LOCO.
Ticks all the boxes for me.
Looks TUFF
Sounds TUFF
and the power is so aggressive.
its amazing,,, still one of the best street cars ive ever driven
Has to be FGX for me die hard ford man for over forty years now with a better louder exhaust system again fitted it would of been similar sound to GTS the ford had a quicker 0/100 time 5.6 seconds
@carwow needs to come down under and drag these two cars… Euro’s have nothing on these bad boys!
I’m hoping to find an airstrip! I’d love to drag the
The GTS sounded like it had a hole in the muffler, the Falcon is more predictable but I did love the supercharger whine on the Holden
LSA whine is something else
from what i could read, the connecting rods in the 1993 4.6 SOHC and the same as the 5.0 and 5.4 ford engines made in the usa... but that year code 1993 comes up as 128'000psi tensile and the aftermarket 4140 rods are only 90'000psi tensile. other years got 55'000psi tensile rods with aluminum pistons... not easy getting that info but i think the upper range of the minimum 128'000psi rods was 875lbft. "axles snap like twigs"...
You're probably thinking of the Supercharged 4.6 DOHC Terminator Mustang Cobra, of '03/'04 which came with Manley Brand Forged H beam rods from the factory !!
I have a soft spot for both Ford & Holden...both great builds very clean the thing for me is I will choose Holden..Ford generally suck with interiors. Great video bro. Yea I have winged seeing cars I can afford be we needed see this. Would love to see these two battle on a quarter mile.
@grantdenniston2839 I don't think so. Holden has worse traction issues, would be spinning tyres the whole way as the falcon cruises past 😂
The gts supercharger whine is madmax level
EPIC EH
I did the final touches on the GTS, the blower snout, pulley and OTR etc, it’s a weapon.
Yes great job you did on my car....thanks brother...
its still one of the best street cars ive ever driven.. SO DAMN FUN
How did he get the rear suspension arm for the falcon!?? They wouldn't sell it to me!
Not sure how he got that
@@RossReviewsau just FYI, I found a place called Dalta Autosport that sell them. Since watching your video because it was one of the things I've always wanted
Herrods also used to sell them, not sure if they manufactured them too. They put 295s on using the ones they sold but not sure if you could go higher. Dalta Auto ones are said to be good for 315s so i have no idea where he got ones that go to 325...the video shows the XR8 with stock rims and didnt think 325s would fit on them.
@@Internetbutthurt that's totally correct mate. The stock rear rims are only 9" wide.
Id love to one of each in my garage ❤❤
I suspect the large throttle body might be causing the half throttle characteristics
Possibly was he has since sorted that out
Yes been sorted ...touch of tuning....@RossReviewsau
The Holden looks the part too. The Ford looks like a slightly better Mondeo.
2nd gear in the HSV 16:32 HOLYSHIT!!
Absolute beast 😫😫😫
You should have got the owners to take each other for a ride, they are both tyre shredders.
I was telling them too!
Incredible machines.
Both gems 💎
What organ’s would the guy with the lsa take for that beast? That is so aggressive I’d lose my licence in an hour hahaha
Stalemate,both have their place,nice cars but for me missing that muscle look styling on the outside
Must be showing my age,but cars these days more space age and rounded
Top marks for the review
was a blast to show off.. i agree tho new cars are no good anymore.. these were the last greats
As an american owning a VF commodore I have to say these are the best V8 powered performance cars in the u.s fucking period!!!!
💪💪💪💪
5:13 mark he can definitely go faster
I reckon ive got a GTS that i think will make this one feel easy to drive
Really!!??? What’s been done to her 👀
@RossReviewsau stock bottom end but running Higgins race heads harrop 2650 but new gen which is closer to a heart beat bigger oil reservoirs for the oil cooler and supercharger cold air and custom headers and exhaust to name a few mod for the engine factory box dif no mrc switched to coilovers pretty much built top end stock bottom factory drive train but managed to keep it looking stock bar it sitting on its ass and still putting out more kW then the one showed mad respect to his car but what he's done isn't Max what you can do with that car also mines still got an h pattern 😀
Coyote / Miami vs LT. it will come down to Ford vs Holden Fans in this one
SMALL CAPACITY + BIG 4V HEAD = SOFT BOTTOM END.
If the Ford had 1000cc of extra capacity it would FULLY utilise the cavernous quad cam configuration, otherwise it's ALWAYS playing second fiddle!
That's like saying if the LSA had 3 extra cans and 16 more valves it would be better? From what I have seen the largest the coyote platform can go is 5.6L where the LS can go to 7.2L I think
When can you review my gtsr brother 🤙🏼
you serious!!! shoot me a message on fb or insta! right away!
5.7 for the Ford? would get done at the lights by a stock XR8.
That HSV, stop it, that's amazing. Both Killer rides.
both amazing
I wanted a stock race mark
i wish
Good comparision
Thanks
Everyone wants races bro take it to the next level get an air strip somewhere you got the contacts look at car wow and officially gassed
im trying to find a runway! its challenging in AUS tho
12:17 MARK NO WAYYYY MARK !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
MARK! lol
😂😂😂 topman the Holden driver i like his style str8 in there and kill it lol 💪🏿💪🏿💯
hes a legend
The Camaro ZL1 and CT5 V blackwing in the states has too much of a exhaust note and you can't hear the whine of the supercharger as well as you can with that GTS
Love the LSA scream
Sounds sick
That GTS 😩
So good ❤❤
That hsv holy shit!!! Never have i seen someone so scared accelerating to 110 on a public road
🤣🤣🤣 it’s all legal