offered but not really. I was at a dealership and they said Toyota isn't shipping the 6 speed manual to dealerships and that it was nearly impossible to find one.
@@IkeandMike1 I agree that they aren't easy to find. You'd have to special order one and wait... And wait.... Sadly no one buys them though, which is why no dealers order them.
@@Washthebrain Best practice is: 5th gear, clutch engaged, then move the stick to 4th and then 3rd before releasing the clutch. Follow the pattern and that way you know for certain you're in 3rd.
I have a 24 manual. I find it hard to get into 1st going anywhere over 5km. I have just over 11k km on it and drives great. This is my 6th Tacoma and its the best driving one so far.
If you very briefly go into neutral, clutch out, and give a little gas and then clutch in and into 1st, does that work? Sounds like the gear sync isn't too happy. I learnt to drive on a '77 Land Rover that had no synhcro on 1st so this was the only way to get it to change.
I call bullshit with Toyota's claim from a 5th to 1st downshift, I've never had any manual equipped car or truck that would shift into 1st gear at any speed over about 5mph, the synchronizers in the transmission wouldn't handle that in the first place....clutch pedal staying on the floor means a loss of hydraulic pressure. A 5th to 3rd downshift would be somewhat common in hill country.
I think similar. Toyota threw Howard under the bus just to salvage their perceived reputation. Don't get me wrong I'm a huge toyota fan because they hold resale value. Some times glitches occur Steve on the 2nd hill hold example when it failed! I think Toyota would be better off admitting early production glitches and how they handle issues. I'm still trying to wrap my head around debris/casting not being removed/flushed before continuing with production on the 100K recalled Tundras. How do ya miss that? Come on Toyota you have a reputation to protect! IMHO not gonna get there by sullying TRUCK KING!
I have the same truck you can shift into first gear at any speed especially if you jam it in the way he did. When decelerating I often shift into first gear around 12 mph and that's just right to slow you down pretty good for the car in front of you. There really is no reason to speculate if you watch the original video the tach shot all the way to Red line trying to keep up it was an obvious five to one down shift.
I have never done that, always change sequentially like 5-4-3 or 4-3-2. Only exception really is very slow driving like coasting to a stop and just go from 3-1 or something because of a stop sign/light.
@@busslayer4790 yeah if you need to quickly pass someone downshifting 2 gears is the way to go. If you only downshift one gear you better have a lot of torque, or the space to then downshift again. Driving a Honda that loves to scream at 8k rpm you quickly learn to downshift multiple gears at once if you want to get moving!
For routine driving I usually skip shift, using either 1-3-5 or 2-4-6, depending on the transmission and driving circumstance. There is no rule that says you must use all the gears all the time,
@@Parker53151 I do that a lot in my civic. No need to keep clutching through all the gears. Keeps wearing down on the clutch components too. Factory clutch still holding strong enough to chirp 2nd gear if I drive hard, and that's with a supercharger installed for 100k miles.
I have the '18 TRD Sport 4x4 with a manual. I automatically, with my foot, match the rpms when down shifting. Part of the skill set for driving a standard transmission.
@@josephwilliamson6878 that's part of the enjoyment of a manual transmission... But I've driven with people that have no idea how to rev match and just downshift.
on race track they practice sequentially downshift, that means even if you can do 5th to 3rd, you still shift to 4th first and then 4th to 3rd because you want to practice downshift perfectly it becomes muscle memory so that you don't make mistakes.
I think the old rule that says to hold off on buying a first year model is something to live by now more than ever before especially as cars become more and more advanced. After my '14 F150 died I moved into a lightly used '21 Ranger. In 8 years of heavy trail use the F150 never had any issues on a trail. Snow, ice, mud; it just worked. I took the ranger on a camping trip with mild dry trails and as i got back on the pavement I had the dash light up with ABS, traction control, driver assistance features go offline. I pulled over and restarted it. Turns out the forward sensors were dirty. No issues since but it definitely didn't inspire confidence lol
Yeah, sensors ar honestly a useless crutch I hit what I can only assume was the mother of all locusts and it just so happened to splatter over my forward facing camera and that put the lane drift sensor and the auto distance cruise control out of order. Ludites were right I guess.
I am afraid there have been too many reports of too many issues with trusted reviewers to not believe this gen of Tacoma is not prime time. Maybe in 3 years when they do revisions and fix the shortcomings.
I bought a 23 TRD pro manual and that truck has been bulletproof. I was alway told not to buy the first year of a new model and so far, the 24 Taco’s have proven not to be Toyota’s best work.
Guys. Love the channel, keep up the good work. One nitpicky comment… the rear axle is now a multi link with coil springs and traditional shocks. It does NOT have “coilovers” which I’ve heard repeatedly. Totally different thing.
I bought I 2019 TRD pro Manual. The clutch broke twice before than two years. I returned the truck and waited for the new one. It felt like I got the worst tuck but i didn’t lose my confidence in the Tacoma. Got a 2024 manual and no problems so far. All trucks should be manual. Thats how is suppose to be. Automatic is mehh and weak.
Even if your dad did do a 5th to 1st shift, the rev matching should never over rev the engine, and the clutch should be able to hit red line without exploding! I still say that the clutch was defective.
Yeah, I don't believe Toyota. Of course they'll deflect blame onto the reviewer instead of saying the truck broke. Edit, and if he DID manage to get it into first gear the clutch disk would be spinning over redline, it would likely be spinning in excess of 10k rpm (whatever the math says 1st gear rpm would be at the speed they were traveling).... But as he said it never went into gear anyways, and like I said I don't believe Toyota....
@@ibepressin yeah I am not sure what the OP is saying with that. If you try to mechanically engage a gear where the speed would result in (way) elevated RPM, there is nothing that can be done to prevent damage to the engine or transmission.
When driving big trucks you often drop 2 gears at a time, like going from 10th to 8th, but big trucks have non synchronized transmission so you have to rev match, shift to neutral, rev the engine the appropriate amount then shift into the lower gear.
Stephen, If Toyota wants to 'redeem' themselves they need to make a manual 4Runner to compete with Wrangler and Bronco 🤩 It must be noted Jeep just dropped the manual from the Gladiator.😥
Very true, and Ford should also offer the manual in the Ranger with the 2.3 liter since it's virtually the same chassis and drivetrain as the Bronco. It might even make Jeep consider offering the manual in the Gladiator again!
I’ve driven manual Corolla, Civic, and Forester over the years, they all provide resistance into 1st when your speed is above maybe 25km/h, even when downshifting from 2nd. Assume if you forced any of them into 1st at high speed the same thing (linkage?) would’ve broken the same way.
Mass production and new designs leads to some mistakes. I don't know about Mexico, but there's so much mismanagement in American manufacturing it's not even funny. Most upper management are more concerned about maximizing their yearly bonus, then running competent production.
You actually have to turn it ON to use it. When you start the car it’s turned OFF by default. So, if you forget to push the button then it is OFF. At least that’s how it works in the GR Corolla.
It’s off by default as it should be, unfortunately the throttle response is a bit delayed, and boost appears limited in first and second gear… hoping it’s just programmed for break in period.
Toyota: “We have the data”. The rest of us: “Well, then publish it and let us all see”. Toyota is full of shit. They are telling all of us to un-see the tach during the downshift attempt.
Harold totally chickened out from repeating the downshift test. Just like Steve we understand. 😃 Great review! Sip the boiled red wine Harold and get better!
I had an 06 TJ that held the brake on hills. Of course it broke and I was glad that it did. But what a friggin rush when it broke and I was expecting it to hold! Steep hill and an expensive car right up my arse…..it was like learning to drive all over again!
I really liked this video. I don't know how you did it but you anticipated & answered all my questions! I'd love to see you do a comparison between the Tacoma and Nissan Frontier as that's my new basis for comparison. Thanks for this.
My 3rd generation TRD OR manual absolutely will not even go into 1st gear unless I'm under 5mph or so. I don't think any of my previous manual transmissions would allow you to do that without some serious force. Even if Toyota is right about the 5th to 1st shift, there really should be a lockout there to prevent that ever happening.
I wanted to love the 4th gen Tacoma but it is too compromised and does not embody what i expect from a Toyota truck - extreme unkillable durability even offroad. No bumpstops but we have a removable speaker. Nice priorities, very cool.
Yes, it seems like gadgets & gimmicks are less costly to the manufacturer than overbuilding & engineering durability. And it'll still probably cost $400 to replace the speaker if it gets lost or damaged.
I thought a 5-3 shift was totally normal. I shift 5-3 multiple times a day every day for the last 7 years and no issue so far in my car. Very rarely do I shift every gear to get to 6th.
Covering up their underbuilt power train as usual. Not impressed with the direction Toyota has gone the past couple decades, their performance and reliability has gone way downhill and prices have gone way up.
It's nice that they offer a manual, but Toyota has taken ten steps backward with this Tacoma---especially with the drive train. The auto trans on these are failing left and right and no way will that four banger turbo last hundreds of thousands of miles without major work later on down the road. THEN---there's the terrible PRICE THEY WANT FOR THESE, for a truck built in MEXICO.
I couldn’t even say my old 2019 Tacoma was reliable. Horrible experience that is no longer my problem. No blind brand loyalty here. Looks like a rough start for the new generation.
I am surprised that Toyota didn't use a dedicated brake hold button for those hill starts, where you can have it on all the time, or off. Honda has it.
It does Right by the parking brake they have a brake hold button that will hold the brakes indefinitely once you come to a stop fully, you can let your foot off the brake and it'll sit there, uphill or down, until you give it gas to move it.
I bought a 2024 TRD Sport automatic and have 9000km on it. Love it. No issues other than it was tricky trying to figure out how to get out of the trailer towing assist mode.
Even with less hp with the manual 270/310 is still a ton of power for a small truck. I remember when I was in high school and had a Dakota with a 3.9 V6 175hp and thought it was a beast 😂
If you have ever driven a manual for years, you know shit happens and sometimes you F'up. But once you are experienced, a gear shift skip gear is very rare unless it's intentional during a hard break, shift skip and engage. These hand holding features just get in the way. Just played with Toyota build configurator, can't get a 6' bed and manual, was a 4wd configuration.
That has never been possible, so I don't know why you're looking for that now. 6 ft bed has never been manual. Only Nissan Frontier Long Bed V6 for 2001-04MY. Miscommunication or just questionable misunderstanding?
@@nwezetx1 I just used the configuration/build tool to see what's possible with an eye toward truck camping. I prefer full size trucks, but Toyota does not work for me. I own a toyota car, but a Ford truck. I like my 8' bed! :)
@Chris-ut6eq After 19 years of the same platform, Toyota had a chance to develop the TNGA-F2 with manual transmission on the 6FT bed configuration, but once again opted not to. Midsize size pickups with sticks are solely limited to the Tacoma nameplate. My Raptors have been my only personal use automatics registered under my name. Everything else, manual since 22 when buying on my own for the first time. Went back to a Tacoma, for a stick.
I just got back from the dealer in central Texas, they said finding a 2024 with manual transmission is pretty much impossible. I wonder if that's because of the issues they've seen with the manual trans, and not some conscious decision to not offer it in favor of the 8 speed auto.
So im assuming you cant disable rev matching? Seems like they really nerfed the manaul here for it to suite truck purposes. Idk ive always like manual because of the lack of training wheels this feels like a strange compromise but happy to hear they still offer it at least
I would still argue though that a stick with auto revmatching shouldn't let you shift from 5th to first. My fiesta (no revmatching) would never let me shift down from 5th to 1st without using two hands and putting my whole body weight into it. The Tacoma shouldn't have revmatched for 1st, it should stop revmatching after a certain point (like 8k rpm) to avoid damaging the engine
Good information. I prefer manual transmission vehicles and need to replace my utility vehicle. This looks like a great option. I hope Toyota keeps the manual option going forward. HCJr
On the original video, although you said the driveline never made it into gear (clutch out and trans connected to engine) did the gear actually engage in the transmission? Sounds like the auto-blipper and clutch never actually did their dance.
Sourcing parts and vehicle builds in Mexico is alot of the problem. MY 2001 Tacoma built in California and I believe Engine and driveline in Japan. Still has original front chassis ball joints and Tie rods with 315K on them and I check for wear every 30k, I did not have the alignment even checked until it had 275K on it, Strong work horse of a truck.
By the nature of a manual transmissions operation you kind of get "locked out" of a 5th to 1st downshift because the 1st gear synchronizer is trying to spin the transmission input shaft (and clutch disk) up to speeds in excess of 15,000 rpm, so you really have to force it, and the clutch disk can explode due to the speed. And any experienced manual driver would quickly realize something isn't right. I tried to blow up the clutch on a beater car before by doing that but it never did blow up.... If I released the clutch then the engine would have exploded.
@@volvo09 yeah that’s pretty much my recollection from my old manual Camaro. I can’t imagine Pops would have jammed the stick shift into first gear. Something doesn’t sound right lol
Some might have a 1st and reverse lockout at higher speeds, but most don't....I've owned several manual vehicles over the years, and none of them would even go into 1st above about 5mph when downshifting...the synchronizers won't allow that....sounds like Toyota is covering something up in their BS explanation of what happened...the clutch pedal stayed on the floor means it lost hydraulic pressure, so a master or slave cylinder failure by the sounds of it. I bet if they shut the truck off, put it in gear and started the truck it would have moved, I doubt the clutch itself failed....if it did it would have been a much more aggressive noise than a clunk.
@@Sloimer It sounds to me like the transmission revmatched to 1st gear before shifting in, which is why it blew up before it was in gear. There should be a limit on the revmatching feature, as it stands now it's basically a faulty transmission. I want one but I don't think I'd buy it until they fix it, because I don't want to accidentally grenade my transmission on a bad revmatch
I’m not a race car driver and even if I was, my pickup truck isn’t a race car. If I want to rev-match, I’ll use my brain, my hand and my two feet. I don’t need or want an overpriced electronic nanny.
my Volks has hill hold. For that car it depended on how hard you press the brake pedal, wether it would activate or not. Maybe this Tacoma is the same and the system isnt inconsistent.
Regardless of whether your dad went into first or not, the fact the truck grenaded the clutch is pretty pathetic. It's like Toyota built in an unintended self destruct "feature" that anybody might accidently activate if they miss a downshift to 3rd.
They mentioned the truck is detuned because the manual can't handle as much power...meaning Toyota underbuilt the transmission to begin with....Toyota has gone way downhill in the past couple decades.
Hi I'm on your dad's side and think Toyota is full of it I run a towing company and I know Toyota has been having a problem with these new transmission already
Two different channels, two different 24Tacomas, both broke down in testing. Hmmmmm that screams avoid the Toyota for now. That’s too bad for us that are fans of the legendary reliability they used to have.
Why can't we have a chrome bumper in front anymore? I want a hardened surface to not erode when driving through weeds and pasture. The plastic air dam at bottom looks like it will constantly rip off. wtf?
Well I have the same truck with the upgraded a lot of things Manual and no problem so far, 2000 miles almost one thing I noticed is the power on Ecco very sluggish, but you save a lot of gas but once you changed to the normal you can feel the difference, and I downgraded no problem I used to have a Nissan Altima 2005 ( great car), still running and it looks brand new🥹, and I used to do the same downgraded speeds no problems ever the only thing was the Camshaft I have to changed 4 times in almost 20 years
Toyota executive - "Our naturally aspirated engines have proven themselves to be absolute workhorses with unrivaled reliability. Lets replace them across the board with smaller displacement turbo engines that have horrible reliability, WORSE gas mileage, especially under load and cost way more money, not only to build but also to maintain. That ought to ruin our legacy, let's go with that terrible strategy!" Ugh. The good news is that I've always wanted to own a Toyota truck but the interest rates always priced them just out of range for my budget. But now, I dont want one anymore! So yay me! 🥳🎉
So let's say it was a money shift that broke the truck. What was the failure and what would be the cost to repair if the dealer says it's on you? Is it just a grenaded friction disk? New clutch and flywheel? A couple grand and a bruised ego? Or was the damage more extensive? Did you sign a NDA or something?
It's a shame that Pops has to take the hit for Toyota's mistake, to maintain a good relationship with Toyota. 5-3 and 4-2 downshifts are totally reasonable in daily driving.
Well I drove older manuals and it was very hard to shift from 4th or 5th to 1st without some serious effort , as all that happens is it grinds , suppose with effort you could make it go maybe , so for a manual in 2024 to allow that 5th to 1st shift is a flaw on Toyotas part ,
Interior looks like the previous generation Ranger and Colorados n looks like they are catering to those who have no clue on how to drive a manual transmission correctly with the nanny downshifting
I love seeing a manual transmission still offered.
@@warg333 do you not like manuals? Why that "ok bud" reply?
offered but not really. I was at a dealership and they said Toyota isn't shipping the 6 speed manual to dealerships and that it was nearly impossible to find one.
@@IkeandMike1 I agree that they aren't easy to find.
You'd have to special order one and wait... And wait....
Sadly no one buys them though, which is why no dealers order them.
I just have the new one whit IMT , BUTIFUL vehicle.
5th to 3rd is totally an ordinary shift
Absolutely
5th to 1st, the ecm computer can tell rpm, road speed, braking, pedal position, etc.. can't lie about it 😂😮
Best practice is to double clutch, 5 > N, clutch out, clutch in, N > 3
Exactly what I was going to say. I have a Civic and I shift from 6th to 3rd when going slow behind someone on the highway.
@@Washthebrain Best practice is: 5th gear, clutch engaged, then move the stick to 4th and then 3rd before releasing the clutch. Follow the pattern and that way you know for certain you're in 3rd.
I have a 24 manual. I find it hard to get into 1st going anywhere over 5km. I have just over 11k km on it and drives great. This is my 6th Tacoma and its the best driving one so far.
I think the previous Gen not much different
1996 T100 5sp also didnt like to shift into 1st while moving, unlike Honda manuals. Its a toyota thing
Have a 24 manual as well. Absolutely love the truck.
I had a 2005 that behaved the same way. Half the time I'd go right to 2nd. Yep, a Toyota thing!
If you very briefly go into neutral, clutch out, and give a little gas and then clutch in and into 1st, does that work? Sounds like the gear sync isn't too happy. I learnt to drive on a '77 Land Rover that had no synhcro on 1st so this was the only way to get it to change.
I call bullshit with Toyota's claim from a 5th to 1st downshift, I've never had any manual equipped car or truck that would shift into 1st gear at any speed over about 5mph, the synchronizers in the transmission wouldn't handle that in the first place....clutch pedal staying on the floor means a loss of hydraulic pressure. A 5th to 3rd downshift would be somewhat common in hill country.
I think similar. Toyota threw Howard under the bus just to salvage their perceived reputation. Don't get me wrong I'm a huge toyota fan because they hold resale value. Some times glitches occur Steve on the 2nd hill hold example when it failed! I think Toyota would be better off admitting early production glitches and how they handle issues. I'm still trying to wrap my head around debris/casting not being removed/flushed before continuing with production on the 100K recalled Tundras. How do ya miss that? Come on Toyota you have a reputation to protect! IMHO not gonna get there by sullying TRUCK KING!
I have the same truck you can shift into first gear at any speed especially if you jam it in the way he did. When decelerating I often shift into first gear around 12 mph and that's just right to slow you down pretty good for the car in front of you. There really is no reason to speculate if you watch the original video the tach shot all the way to Red line trying to keep up it was an obvious five to one down shift.
You know your truck is build in the U.S. when the manufacturer comes up with bull**it like that, and they hope people would believe it
@jeanclaude7018 Even worse
@@jayrichards3672 these trucks will not hold their value as well..
I'm not sure what world people live in where a two gear downshift isn't normal. 5-3, 4-2, even 5-2 is pretty much everyday use for me.
I have never done that, always change sequentially like 5-4-3 or 4-3-2. Only exception really is very slow driving like coasting to a stop and just go from 3-1 or something because of a stop sign/light.
@@busslayer4790 yeah if you need to quickly pass someone downshifting 2 gears is the way to go. If you only downshift one gear you better have a lot of torque, or the space to then downshift again.
Driving a Honda that loves to scream at 8k rpm you quickly learn to downshift multiple gears at once if you want to get moving!
For routine driving I usually skip shift, using either 1-3-5 or 2-4-6, depending on the transmission and driving circumstance. There is no rule that says you must use all the gears all the time,
@@Parker53151 I do that a lot in my civic. No need to keep clutching through all the gears.
Keeps wearing down on the clutch components too. Factory clutch still holding strong enough to chirp 2nd gear if I drive hard, and that's with a supercharger installed for 100k miles.
So it was “your” fault and the truck is perfect. Whatever
It takes a lot of power to go from 5th to 1st. Youd get a lot of resistance as it tries to gate lock you out.
Still overpriced… still cheaply made… still a hard pass
Somehow the Frontier seems like a more appropriately priced option in this segment for what you get.
@@QbynordiMeh…those frontiers from the refresh last year were some of the most unreliable car released that year. Up there with Stelantis products
I don’t want no foreign Jap truck!
Nissan is the dodge of japan @@tres311
@@tres311source?
I have the '18 TRD Sport 4x4 with a manual. I automatically, with my foot, match the rpms when down shifting. Part of the skill set for driving a standard transmission.
@@josephwilliamson6878 that's part of the enjoyment of a manual transmission...
But I've driven with people that have no idea how to rev match and just downshift.
on race track they practice sequentially downshift, that means even if you can do 5th to 3rd, you still shift to 4th first and then 4th to 3rd because you want to practice downshift perfectly it becomes muscle memory so that you don't make mistakes.
I think the old rule that says to hold off on buying a first year model is something to live by now more than ever before especially as cars become more and more advanced.
After my '14 F150 died I moved into a lightly used '21 Ranger. In 8 years of heavy trail use the F150 never had any issues on a trail. Snow, ice, mud; it just worked. I took the ranger on a camping trip with mild dry trails and as i got back on the pavement I had the dash light up with ABS, traction control, driver assistance features go offline. I pulled over and restarted it. Turns out the forward sensors were dirty. No issues since but it definitely didn't inspire confidence lol
Yeah, sensors ar honestly a useless crutch I hit what I can only assume was the mother of all locusts and it just so happened to splatter over my forward facing camera and that put the lane drift sensor and the auto distance cruise control out of order. Ludites were right I guess.
I hope your dad recovers quickly!! You and him work well together 🎉
Finally a manual Tacoma review!!!
I am afraid there have been too many reports of too many issues with trusted reviewers to not believe this gen of Tacoma is not prime time. Maybe in 3 years when they do revisions and fix the shortcomings.
I bought a 23 TRD pro manual and that truck has been bulletproof. I was alway told not to buy the first year of a new model and so far, the 24 Taco’s have proven not to be Toyota’s best work.
Nice, I wish full sized trucks were still offered with manuals... I really miss daily driving a manual.
@@volvo09I bet a foreign truck manual would tell you how to clean your fah Gina!
23’ Pro manual OTT tuned and while “dated” works damn good.
Better tighten that axle nut
@@beexiong2995 lol yes that’s been handled
Guys. Love the channel, keep up the good work.
One nitpicky comment… the rear axle is now a multi link with coil springs and traditional shocks. It does NOT have “coilovers” which I’ve heard repeatedly. Totally different thing.
I bought I 2019 TRD pro Manual. The clutch broke twice before than two years. I returned the truck and waited for the new one. It felt like I got the worst tuck but i didn’t lose my confidence in the Tacoma. Got a 2024 manual and no problems so far. All trucks should be manual. Thats how is suppose to be. Automatic is mehh and weak.
I miss Fords 5 speed manual trucks, 😢
Even if your dad did do a 5th to 1st shift, the rev matching should never over rev the engine, and the clutch should be able to hit red line without exploding! I still say that the clutch was defective.
Yeah, I don't believe Toyota. Of course they'll deflect blame onto the reviewer instead of saying the truck broke.
Edit, and if he DID manage to get it into first gear the clutch disk would be spinning over redline, it would likely be spinning in excess of 10k rpm (whatever the math says 1st gear rpm would be at the speed they were traveling).... But as he said it never went into gear anyways, and like I said I don't believe Toyota....
5th to first is gonna go past reline. Waaay past.
@@ibepressin yeah I am not sure what the OP is saying with that. If you try to mechanically engage a gear where the speed would result in (way) elevated RPM, there is nothing that can be done to prevent damage to the engine or transmission.
😂😂
Ill take dad’s word over Toyotas any day
When driving big trucks you often drop 2 gears at a time, like going from 10th to 8th, but big trucks have non synchronized transmission so you have to rev match, shift to neutral, rev the engine the appropriate amount then shift into the lower gear.
Can't go from 5th to 1st in a peterbilt at 12mph without loosing a few teeth.
Stephen, If Toyota wants to 'redeem' themselves they need to make a manual 4Runner to compete with Wrangler and Bronco 🤩 It must be noted Jeep just dropped the manual
from the Gladiator.😥
Very true, and Ford should also offer the manual in the Ranger with the 2.3 liter since it's virtually the same chassis and drivetrain as the Bronco.
It might even make Jeep consider offering the manual in the Gladiator again!
It wasn’t a good manual anyways. The 8 speed auto is better in every way.
Assuming jeep/stellantis doesn't go bankrupt
Then they should've made a better manual. Dont reward half-assing by giving in and getting an auto.
Wow! I must be sleeping to miss that for 2025.
Thanks TK for the honest review.
Please do a comparison video between this and the new Ranger. Great quality work as always. Love, from South Africa
Toyota is now in the epa era, now will be just as reliable as everything else
I don’t dislike this new Tacoma. But there is nothing about it that would entice me to trade in my paid off 2019 MT Tacoma Sport.
I’ve driven manual Corolla, Civic, and Forester over the years, they all provide resistance into 1st when your speed is above maybe 25km/h, even when downshifting from 2nd. Assume if you forced any of them into 1st at high speed the same thing (linkage?) would’ve broken the same way.
It’s disappointing to see every manufacturer making lemons on new model trucks. Idk why it’s so hard to make a simple reliable pickup nowadays
Cost cutting and EPA mandate compliance pressures.
Mass production and new designs leads to some mistakes.
I don't know about Mexico, but there's so much mismanagement in American manufacturing it's not even funny.
Most upper management are more concerned about maximizing their yearly bonus, then running competent production.
Can you shut the auto rev-match off?
After driving a manual for a little while, it's second nature to rev match on your own without thinking about it.
@@busslayer4790 in all cars I've seen that have it you can turn it off.
I agree, part of the fun of a manual is rev matching downshifts.
You actually have to turn it ON to use it. When you start the car it’s turned OFF by default. So, if you forget to push the button then it is OFF. At least that’s how it works in the GR Corolla.
yes the auto rev-match isn't on by default. you have to press the iMT button everytime you get in the car if you want it turned on
It’s off by default as it should be, unfortunately the throttle response is a bit delayed, and boost appears limited in first and second gear… hoping it’s just programmed for break in period.
Yea and Toyota makes a button. Unlike certain manufacturers that decided to bury it in the screen (looking at you Honda).
Toyota: “We have the data”. The rest of us: “Well, then publish it and let us all see”. Toyota is full of shit. They are telling all of us to un-see the tach during the downshift attempt.
Harold totally chickened out from repeating the downshift test. Just like Steve we understand. 😃 Great review! Sip the boiled red wine Harold and get better!
I bought a trd off road 24 Tacoma
Ice pit over 7k miles on it. I have not had an issue yet!
Id buy this only bc of the manuel
I had an 06 TJ that held the brake on hills. Of course it broke and I was glad that it did. But what a friggin rush when it broke and I was expecting it to hold! Steep hill and an expensive car right up my arse…..it was like learning to drive all over again!
I really liked this video. I don't know how you did it but you anticipated & answered all my questions!
I'd love to see you do a comparison between the Tacoma and Nissan Frontier as that's my new basis for comparison.
Thanks for this.
there are several Taco/Frontier vids on the channel
My 3rd generation TRD OR manual absolutely will not even go into 1st gear unless I'm under 5mph or so. I don't think any of my previous manual transmissions would allow you to do that without some serious force.
Even if Toyota is right about the 5th to 1st shift, there really should be a lockout there to prevent that ever happening.
I've done 5th to 3rd when I've hit a big hill suddenly from a level cruise. Not something I'd do everyday but never had an issue with it.
I wanted to love the 4th gen Tacoma but it is too compromised and does not embody what i expect from a Toyota truck - extreme unkillable durability even offroad.
No bumpstops but we have a removable speaker. Nice priorities, very cool.
Yes, it seems like gadgets & gimmicks are less costly to the manufacturer than overbuilding & engineering durability. And it'll still probably cost $400 to replace the speaker if it gets lost or damaged.
I thought a 5-3 shift was totally normal. I shift 5-3 multiple times a day every day for the last 7 years and no issue so far in my car. Very rarely do I shift every gear to get to 6th.
Toyota is not being honest, if they were to be transparent that would solidify credibility in the Toyota brand, why can’t they see that ???
Covering up their underbuilt power train as usual. Not impressed with the direction Toyota has gone the past couple decades, their performance and reliability has gone way downhill and prices have gone way up.
I hope your dad gets well. My wife and I know about snotty...getting over covid 19+5. Flu or cold is much easier to battle.
It's nice that they offer a manual, but Toyota has taken ten steps backward with this Tacoma---especially with the drive train. The auto trans on these are failing left and right and no way will that four banger turbo last hundreds of thousands of miles without major work later on down the road. THEN---there's the terrible PRICE THEY WANT FOR THESE, for a truck built in MEXICO.
More last gen Tacoma's coming up at dealerships, looks like the fear is gone from all the issues.
I couldn’t even say my old 2019 Tacoma was reliable. Horrible experience that is no longer my problem. No blind brand loyalty here.
Looks like a rough start for the new generation.
I am surprised that Toyota didn't use a dedicated brake hold button for those hill starts, where you can have it on all the time, or off. Honda has it.
It does
Right by the parking brake they have a brake hold button that will hold the brakes indefinitely once you come to a stop fully, you can let your foot off the brake and it'll sit there, uphill or down, until you give it gas to move it.
Excellent episode!!! 😁
I bought a 2024 TRD Sport automatic and have 9000km on it. Love it. No issues other than it was tricky trying to figure out how to get out of the trailer towing assist mode.
Also have a 24 trd sport with the 6 speed manual love it
Just about the manual
Even with less hp with the manual 270/310 is still a ton of power for a small truck. I remember when I was in high school and had a Dakota with a 3.9 V6 175hp and thought it was a beast 😂
Yeah but I bet that Dakota was 1-2 thousand pounds lighter too.
The real recreation would have been the Little tire spin from the stop than the 5 to 3 downshift. Like the first road test
These new Toyotas are like delicate flowers. Pretty at first, but wilt really fast.
If you have ever driven a manual for years, you know shit happens and sometimes you F'up. But once you are experienced, a gear shift skip gear is very rare unless it's intentional during a hard break, shift skip and engage. These hand holding features just get in the way.
Just played with Toyota build configurator, can't get a 6' bed and manual, was a 4wd configuration.
That has never been possible, so I don't know why you're looking for that now. 6 ft bed has never been manual. Only Nissan Frontier Long Bed V6 for 2001-04MY.
Miscommunication or just questionable misunderstanding?
@@nwezetx1 I just used the configuration/build tool to see what's possible with an eye toward truck camping.
I prefer full size trucks, but Toyota does not work for me. I own a toyota car, but a Ford truck. I like my 8' bed! :)
@Chris-ut6eq After 19 years of the same platform, Toyota had a chance to develop the TNGA-F2 with manual transmission on the 6FT bed configuration, but once again opted not to.
Midsize size pickups with sticks are solely limited to the Tacoma nameplate. My Raptors have been my only personal use automatics registered under my name.
Everything else, manual since 22 when buying on my own for the first time. Went back to a Tacoma, for a stick.
I just got back from the dealer in central Texas, they said finding a 2024 with manual transmission is pretty much impossible. I wonder if that's because of the issues they've seen with the manual trans, and not some conscious decision to not offer it in favor of the 8 speed auto.
The shift heard 'round the world
1st gen 5 spd v6 4wd 5vz @200K miles ALL DAY
So im assuming you cant disable rev matching? Seems like they really nerfed the manaul here for it to suite truck purposes. Idk ive always like manual because of the lack of training wheels this feels like a strange compromise but happy to hear they still offer it at least
u can
I would still argue though that a stick with auto revmatching shouldn't let you shift from 5th to first. My fiesta (no revmatching) would never let me shift down from 5th to 1st without using two hands and putting my whole body weight into it. The Tacoma shouldn't have revmatched for 1st, it should stop revmatching after a certain point (like 8k rpm) to avoid damaging the engine
Good information. I prefer manual transmission vehicles and need to replace my utility vehicle. This looks like a great option. I hope Toyota keeps the manual option going forward. HCJr
Cadillac makes a manual that handles 670hp, Ford uses the Tremec that handles 500hp… and Toyota can’t get the manual to handle more than 270.
My stock mazdaspeed 3 transmission handled 500whp for YEARS 😂😂
On the original video, although you said the driveline never made it into gear (clutch out and trans connected to engine) did the gear actually engage in the transmission? Sounds like the auto-blipper and clutch never actually did their dance.
never went into gear
Engine replacements in the tundra, transmission failures in the Tacoma what happened to Toyota
Does IMT need to be enabled on every startup? Or does the truck remember the previous selection?
Sourcing parts and vehicle builds in Mexico is alot of the problem. MY 2001 Tacoma built in California and I believe Engine and driveline in Japan. Still has original front chassis ball joints and Tie rods with 315K on them and I check for wear every 30k, I did not have the alignment even checked until it had 275K on it, Strong work horse of a truck.
Absolutely false. Tacomas were never made in Kentucky.
@@nwezetx1 You are correct, Assembled in California, Some power plants built in Georgetown, Kentucky. I will correct that, Thanks.
Well I guess you cannot tune the new manual Tacoma because if you add 15 HP you'll blow the transmission up
Reliability is a big deal, but at least I give Toyota credit for coming out with complete brand new trucks.
Try floating gears and see how it works
Doesn't the gearshift usually lock you out of being able to do a 5-1? Lol. Sounds like an excuse or a bad design to me.
By the nature of a manual transmissions operation you kind of get "locked out" of a 5th to 1st downshift because the 1st gear synchronizer is trying to spin the transmission input shaft (and clutch disk) up to speeds in excess of 15,000 rpm, so you really have to force it, and the clutch disk can explode due to the speed. And any experienced manual driver would quickly realize something isn't right.
I tried to blow up the clutch on a beater car before by doing that but it never did blow up.... If I released the clutch then the engine would have exploded.
@@volvo09 yeah that’s pretty much my recollection from my old manual Camaro. I can’t imagine Pops would have jammed the stick shift into first gear. Something doesn’t sound right lol
Some might have a 1st and reverse lockout at higher speeds, but most don't....I've owned several manual vehicles over the years, and none of them would even go into 1st above about 5mph when downshifting...the synchronizers won't allow that....sounds like Toyota is covering something up in their BS explanation of what happened...the clutch pedal stayed on the floor means it lost hydraulic pressure, so a master or slave cylinder failure by the sounds of it. I bet if they shut the truck off, put it in gear and started the truck it would have moved, I doubt the clutch itself failed....if it did it would have been a much more aggressive noise than a clunk.
@@Sloimer It sounds to me like the transmission revmatched to 1st gear before shifting in, which is why it blew up before it was in gear. There should be a limit on the revmatching feature, as it stands now it's basically a faulty transmission. I want one but I don't think I'd buy it until they fix it, because I don't want to accidentally grenade my transmission on a bad revmatch
everything from toyota looks like a disposal fork underneath
If it was 15-20k cheaper sure, but is a pos for that much money.
that's across the board with every manufacturer, ALL vehicles are more expensive. It's called inflation
Yup the democrats continue to destroy the country
@@gwot It's called greed.
@@lokerola and inflation. You're not naïve enough to believe that it's 100% all greed are you?
I’m not a race car driver and even if I was, my pickup truck isn’t a race car.
If I want to rev-match, I’ll use my brain, my hand and my two feet. I don’t need or want an overpriced electronic nanny.
Can't we just do our own rev matching and fewer computers? SOLAR FLARE!!!
dad had to stay home so he doesn't brake stuff again hehe
World best truck and price,
Hi love my Toyota Tacoma 2019 TRD it just works. I think Toyota needs to work on the new one a lot it's not for me.
Is the new 6MT in IMT still loud and clunky like it is on the 3rd gen?
my Volks has hill hold. For that car it depended on how hard you press the brake pedal, wether it would activate or not. Maybe this Tacoma is the same and the system isnt inconsistent.
Dad's not there because he's ticked off he knows he didn't go to first gear 😅
Regardless of whether your dad went into first or not, the fact the truck grenaded the clutch is pretty pathetic. It's like Toyota built in an unintended self destruct "feature" that anybody might accidently activate if they miss a downshift to 3rd.
They mentioned the truck is detuned because the manual can't handle as much power...meaning Toyota underbuilt the transmission to begin with....Toyota has gone way downhill in the past couple decades.
@@wildbill23c You know they are on the ragged edge when they detune it 10 hp to save the transmission. It's beyond ridiculous.
@@duggydowhich is crazy because altitude and temps could sway the power the truck puts down enough so to grenade the transmission 😂
Will Canada get the Prerunners??
Hi I'm on your dad's side and think Toyota is full of it I run a towing company and I know Toyota has been having a problem with these new transmission already
The last manual transmission truck you get the Sr5 manual transmission 4x4 for $36,795
50 thousand plus for a car made in Mexico 😂😂😂
😂😂haha or you can Pay 70 to 90 for a tundra made in U, S with engine recall 😂😂hahahaha
American made products are junk too
Mexican manure for sure. Toyota has lost its quality
@@tonyyang2084 American made cars are junk too
Made in JAPAN OR NOTHING!
I know exactly what happened, it was the color! 🤔🤣🤣🤣🤣That orange to me sucks, I think the gray looks so much better.
Two different channels, two different 24Tacomas, both broke down in testing. Hmmmmm that screams avoid the Toyota for now. That’s too bad for us that are fans of the legendary reliability they used to have.
Why can't we have a chrome bumper in front anymore? I want a hardened surface to not erode when driving through weeds and pasture. The plastic air dam at bottom looks like it will constantly rip off. wtf?
I think you need to do it again with the same truck the you fixed.
I will happily keep my 3rd gen 🌮
Crazy that a clutch would fail without even going into gear. So basically it failed going from 5th to neutral.
23 Nissan Titan/Frontier Pro-4X is way better then any
Toyota Tundra/Tacoma now a days
Well I have the same truck with the upgraded a lot of things Manual and no problem so far, 2000 miles almost one thing I noticed is the power on Ecco very sluggish, but you save a lot of gas but once you changed to the normal you can feel the difference, and I downgraded no problem I used to have a Nissan Altima 2005 ( great car), still running and it looks brand new🥹, and I used to do the same downgraded speeds no problems ever the only thing was the Camshaft I have to changed 4 times in almost 20 years
Toyota executive - "Our naturally aspirated engines have proven themselves to be absolute workhorses with unrivaled reliability. Lets replace them across the board with smaller displacement turbo engines that have horrible reliability, WORSE gas mileage, especially under load and cost way more money, not only to build but also to maintain. That ought to ruin our legacy, let's go with that terrible strategy!"
Ugh.
The good news is that I've always wanted to own a Toyota truck but the interest rates always priced them just out of range for my budget. But now, I dont want one anymore! So yay me! 🥳🎉
The Tacoma was great until this Gen. Now the Frontier is the one to beat IMO
So let's say it was a money shift that broke the truck. What was the failure and what would be the cost to repair if the dealer says it's on you?
Is it just a grenaded friction disk? New clutch and flywheel?
A couple grand and a bruised ego? Or was the damage more extensive? Did you sign a NDA or something?
Ask them to show you the data
It's a shame that Pops has to take the hit for Toyota's mistake, to maintain a good relationship with Toyota.
5-3 and 4-2 downshifts are totally reasonable in daily driving.
Well I drove older manuals and it was very hard to shift from 4th or 5th to 1st without some serious effort , as all that happens is it grinds , suppose with effort you could make it go maybe , so for a manual in 2024 to allow that 5th to 1st shift is a flaw on Toyotas part ,
I will do 5 to 2!😉
Toyota software prevented a moneyshift?
Interior looks like the previous generation Ranger and Colorados n looks like they are catering to those who have no clue on how to drive a manual transmission correctly with the nanny downshifting
Does it have rev hang?
Why can’t we do a fifth to first. Do it! :)
SAVE THE MANUALS!!