Consequences Of Not Knowing How To Trail Brake
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Highly recommend taking ChampU (online course) to learn more about trail braking in addition to doing track days, etc. MotoJitsu.com/courses
Took all their online courses and they are phenomenal. Load the tire before you use the tire👍🏻
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I had a lowside in a roundabout and have been going back and forth with myself over why it happend. There was a bump in the road, so this might also have a been a contributing factor. I had no idea that if the suspension extends you might loose traction, thank you!
Its because traction is a result of weight on the tires
If you didn't see this: th-cam.com/video/Fy1AIAc76Qo/w-d-xo.html
Step 1 - Adjust your suspension, depending on your riding skills you don't want it too soft or too stiff
Roundabouts are notoriously dangerous because they are almost always sloped so rainwater can run off. This means that your actual lean angle against the road is much larger than the angle you perceive, which is against the horizontal plane. The outside track of cars also causes more abrasion and smoothing, because more weight is on their outside wheels during the turn. This can reduce traction compared to the surrounding roads. And sharp turns can also cause fuel spills on trucks, apparently lots of drivers don't properly close their tanks.
In any case, unless it's a crater, a bump in the road should not bring you down. Sure, you might be able to improve traction by tuning your bike, but I think the most important takeaway is that you were much closer to the limit than you thought.
Thanks for nice essay. Step 2 - scan road ahead :-)
I love you, Moto. You take the time to patiently explain things without annoying edits or dumb music. Your videos feel like talking to the cool neighbor guy who likes to help out. Thanks.
Welcome!! :)
Finally get it now. I have probably watched 20 videos about tail braking, but now I fully understand it.
thanks!
Yeah. This made it click for me too.
Great demo on trail braking. Also your comments on WHAT trail braking IS was excellent. And the video showing the loading and unloading of the front suspension was also excellent. This should be a "must view" video for all riders, new and old. Very informative.👍👍👍👍👍
Thanks 👍
Once again keep keep giving us this information, moto. i can't imagine how many people lives you have saved blessing sir and Thank You.
You're welcome
New rider here and he's definitely helped keep me safe more than I even realize.
For the longest time I thought trail braking was slowly and steadily applying more progressive braking through the curve and just now learned it's applying most of your braking before the lean and slowly or more quickly letting off the break depending on how slowly or quickly your leaning in to the curve. Glad I came across this video
yes, it's RELEASING the brake as you start to lean...and the more you lean, the more you release.
Greg is the best teacher he simplifies things so even grandma can understand. Others they use difficult terminology and speak fast and dont repeat leave people astonished and think ok hes smarter were dumber. 😂 you make things simpler. Great teacher.
Awesome timing on this, just spent yesterday practicing trail braking in the twisties! It is incredible how much more confidence it gets you in the front tire when you load it heavily at corner entry.
I actually did my second training class with them today and I gotta say it’s very good. The coach have an incredible methodology. I highly recommend.
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I didn't understand at first but you broke it down so well by the middle I fully grasped the concept.. great teacher .. definitely subscribed 💯💯
Thanks!
Really good description of the effects of suspension on traction. I've taken this course about 5 times and I practice on my own mini-bike now. There's a reason you do these drills at very low speeds as you mentioned. The higher levels of this particular course include lots of practice with trail braking and throttle control. When combined with other courses and practice techniques, it's a great way to put it all together.
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i think I have to count myself lucky that "counter-steering", "trail-braking", and "lanesplitting" were all natural things for me, because whenever I hear people teach how to do it, i start getting confused. All 3 of em. And I have to stop listening, for fear I'm going to second-guess my own ability to steer my bike, maneuver it where it fits, and keep the suspension loaded if I am leaning it. I didn't know what those 3 terms were for the first year I was riding, and I don't know how to teach it, other than to say "steer your bike, feel free to go where you fit, and keep the suspension loaded if you are going to test your grip on the road."
@motojitsu, I’ve been watching your vids a while, but 2:58-3:10 is your best explanation of trail braking to date lol. Best 12 seconds of trail braking lol. I’ve been practicing trail braking and this totally makes sense as to why it’s important and the results of it being done properly/improperly
thanks
Ive seen a lot of people try and explain trail braking and this is best I've seen, the key comment to appreciate is your not adding brake in the turn your slowly releasing previously applied brake pressure as you tip in, great Video well done.
Glad it was helpful!
2:00 thru 316 is solid gold.
That place looks tight to me.
Also, and just so you know, sir, I use much of what I’ve learned from you to avoid snap oversteer in my S2000. :)
Fantastic explanation. Very didactic. I think the fact that until now I haven't had a motorcycle with ABS brakes ends up increasing sensitivity/perception when braking. I always do it this way, even intuitively, gradually releasing the suspension as the inclination is measured in order to free the suspension to work. Excellent explanatory video that every motorcyclist should see and practice. Simply sensational!
thanks!
I would +1 on that, had a GS500 without ABS before and now i am on a Tuono 1000 V2 from 2004 without ABS and you really have to learn breaking to not wreck yourself. Wouldnt tell someone to drive my bike if they had never before had one without ABS
Thanks for the post. Low sided on my seventh track day ever (last year) and this may explain why the front wheel washed out… did not keep consistent traction on front wheel!
Appreciate the detail. Subscribed!
You're welcome and thanks!
Always appreciate your way of explaining. Love it. Easy to understand. Thank you so much.
You're welcome!!
I didn’t need to watch this video because I already understand trail braking. I did however watch support the channel and to see if I wanted to share your video to teach friends as I have with your other videos (I did share this by the way). The comical / fun part of the reason for posting is this ;I tried to understand trail braking for years… I knew about it from cars and track driving, I was doing it without understanding I was but still didn’t understand the term. As soon as I got a bike… the first time my front end rebounded in a basic turn (not a close call just a wtf moment) I said…… ‘okkkkkkkk no we’re not doing that again’.
I quickly realized that’s what trail braking is, transitioning the loading of the tire, motorcycle or car or bicycle.
For years I heard about it but one suspension disruption was all I needed to get it.
Ride safe peeps ✌️ 😊
This has gotta be the most insightful crucial information I've ever received about riding. Thx man 👍🏽👌🏾up until now, I've never quite understood the how or when to trailbrake my 990.. .
thanks
Thank you! I’ve got a TriGlide bit looking to purchase a PanAmerica this year. First time riding 2 wheels in 40 years. Love your content
You're welcome
Thank you. The best, easy to understand explanation of tb I’ve found on YT so far.
Glad it was helpful!
I’ve said this before, but learning how to trail brake in a curve from your videos changed my riding ability, and would’ve avoided a crash back when I was a kid coming into a curve and kissing a tree. Now I look forward to coming in hot and controlling the motorcycle through the curves. The dynamics are different on my Goldwing DCT Tour, but it’s extremely fun working the paddle shifting in manual mode.
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You're analyses are awesome! This is a perfect explanation and visualization of why this is important.
Glad you think so!
I've been riding for 40 years and just experienced my first lowside on a new bike (100kms). I couldn't explain what happened or why! I visited the corner trying to figure it out. I realize now that I was making a slightly down hill off camber right turn and just after the apex there is a slight drop which probably unloaded the suspension, plus new tires. Thank you so much for your videos.
not a good combination that's for sure.
I was at the 2019 Pike Peak Hill Climb working a corner, I took the last pictures of Carlin Dunne on his way up the mountain. I wish we actually knew what exactly happened. He crashed 20 yards away from the finish line.
All I ever heard was he hit a “bump” and sounds like high sided off the mountain. This video just reminds me of this scenario with trail braking and hitting an imperfection.
Amigo, I've enjoyed your videos for a while; and appreciate your interest in safe motorcycling. Keep up the good work--Semper Fi, brother!
Thanks, will do!
This is the exact information I was looking for, thank you
same effect can happen from other road surface disruption (tar snake, sand, gravel, broken asphalt, oil spill) causing a change in traction other than undesired weight transfer
Long ago when my friend did track days thought would be fun like to do one day. Was told most do not allow Scooters. Ive never inquired myself. Not like I could afford any it. Even if I ignore the entrance fee and transportation or gas there, still need a full race suit. It's not like everyone can just go practice and go to track day once. Without checking into it and just dumb estimation....suit, entrance fee and fuel there probably going to run in upwards to 1500 bucks just to get on the track 1st time. Obviously eliminate cost of suit additional trips.
Nice discussion clearing up trail braking misconceptions, but i wouldn't touch that front brake in slow parking lot maneuver, and definitely not when said parking lot is wet.
Very cool,helpful video, with a nice, positive gesture to finish with, thank you 👍
thanks
Just a shout out, your helping an ole dog learn how to ride again. Thank you!
Thank you for those tips, is so important content for the safety ,keep it up💪
You're welcome...check this out for more info: th-cam.com/video/Fy1AIAc76Qo/w-d-xo.html
Looks like her knee may have touched on the far side of that dip unweighting the front causing the front to wash out, but everything you're saying makes sense. Was that lean angle helpful at that speed? Thank you for what you do!
In my area there’s a bad bump on an exit corner from one highway onto a different highway, even driving in my truck it messes up with my suspension. It’s even more scary on a motorcycle
Really sage advice in an era of dumb click bait crash videos. Be fast and don't crash. That's cool.
Brilliant explanation, and thanks again for sharing your expertise with so many of us.
My pleasure!
Always good information. Now I need to look through your channel to see if you have a video on when to shift.
thanks
Great video, Greg! Really useful and clear advice.
Thanks! 👍
You're the man! Thank you and God bless 🙏
You're welcome!
It’s nice to see you replying again to comments..Love all the videos.
to this video...not all.
I really appreciate you bro! This is a major concern of mine as new rider, thanks so much for explaining this in detail. What class did she take?
You're welcome
Excellent analysis. I feel also if you have a V-twin or L-twin the engine drag will assist in the deceleration approaching a tight turn (MTC and ABS will assist even more if your bike has them). Have your bike coming cleanly out of the lean and your EYES and bike oriented to where you want to go before rolling hard on the throttle. To me it feels like the bike is pulling me where it wants to go with minimal effort. A turn is like any other obstacle. First step is get off the throttle and decelerate and keep your eyes on the clear path ahead. Focus too much on the obstacle and you lose control of the bike. Focus on the clear path around the obstacle or the least dangerous path if the obstacle is in motion.
Dang fast Eddie's over there throwing up gang signs! ;-) keep up the awesome videos brother
Thank you for another insightful video Greg! It was great running into you at the BMW dealership a few weeks ago. Also do you know where I can get information on this course that your friend is taking? Thanks again!!
You're welcome.
Well ive been biking on and off since the early 70's. I never heard of trail braking. But it's what I learned to do early on. Reading the title I thought you were referring to using only the back brake in very slow speed turns.
yup, you don't know what trail braking is, highly suggest taking more formal high level courses to learn. MotoJitsu.com/courses
You explained that really well!
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Thanks for explaining about fork lift in a corner
Nice explaining.. Wish more people would take your advice seriously.
You and me both!
Great explanation!
Thanks
I really enjoy these type of videos i understand the concept better then your pov vids or it might be the way my brain works
I'm glad she let me use the footage for educational purposes...obviously her crash had nothing to do with trail braking, like I said in the video...but it's the effect of loading and unloading a tire aka not trail braking while riding fast on track/canyons.
2:03 The next 55 seconds will save you hours of 'research' on how to properly "trail brake"... Thanks MotoJitsu!
Hey, Man! You're a wealth of knowledge. Two questions. Is it ever OK to use your rear brake on turns? And, does this also apply to bikes that have linked brakes? I had the same thing happen to me on my safety course in Canada in late September. Nearly hurricane force winds and torrential rain but the course went on as they say, "rain or shine". We were all doing "follow the leader" with about a bike length between us when the rider in front came to a sudden stop. As a noob I grabbed the front brake lever in a panic and down I went. For reference we were using Yam XT250s.
I subscribed because of the topic. Great stuff. Safe riding to all!!
I have a whole video all about the rear brake, you watch that yet?
No. I just found your channel. I will look it up. Thanks again.@@MotoJitsu
This applies to regular riding also Like when you are in traffic turning off of a busy road and you want to turn without getting rear ended or avoiding hazards in traffic. You might have to watch it a few times ,or more, to get it in your head but once you do it is like a light bulb but you have to practice it so it is a reaction. You don’t have to think about it. But in a more controlled environment. Check it out.
u just earned a follower for just being funny.
I'm dying to get back on a manual, I have a 170cc scooter and I'm still watching these as if I have a manual --- even then I feel this is useful for me
Okay now I understand what trail-breaking is. "Just like you wouldn't shot a gun, then point it at the target" classic!
That example is for acceleration unless you’re just adding that
@@MotoJitsu Just adding it, as it was a very funny quote. One of the things that draw me back to your channel (and keep me lmao) is the precision of your videos, then you'll make a facious comment or comparison and I'll loose it. By far the best instruction I've found on YT. Honestly you're videos have helped improve my riding skills, I owe you a debt of gratitude. Working my way thru your Motojitsu belts (confidently at Blue belt and ready to start practicing with a passenger). And while I am not a speedster, I ride a cruiser, but the knowledge gets in there and I practice those skills I don't ever plan on using, but I still have them. Sorry for the book length reply. LOL
gotcha :)
I think to sum this all up simply put be smooth on controls breaks and throttle whether you are accelerating or slowing down so no abrupt lift of front wheel or squatting of rear tire. Dont lean to limit of tires unless you have lots of money. Use right tires and in right conditions. Dont be brute 😅
Great explanation
Thanks
You are welcome
I’ve been trail braking on almost every curve for over 40 years without a single problem. Once you get the hang of it you’ll never go back to the other method (I forget what it’s called since it doesn’t matter 😎) The only downside I see is that I never get two rear tires out of a front. My front tires always wear out as fast as the rears.
Best video on internet for this.
The way you just make it sound easy. 😂 so much to take in just get confusing. 🙇🏾♂️
What is the difference between the GS and the MT in terms of longer suspension travel and front tire washout?
Brilliant explanation
Glad you liked it, share it!!
Great video good info i would like to see you do more videos showing crashes and explaining how brakes should have been applied and explaining what the bikers did wrong
This video isn't about her crash...it's just a simple way to highlight how an underloaded front tire can take away grip and cause a low side.
@@MotoJitsu I get it
I guess I properly did not convey what I was trying to say my bad
Brilliant. ❤
Thank you for the video brother.
While negotiating a corner and doing the trail braking, what would you be doing with the rear brake?? If anything? Or is the rear brake during a corner a no no?
Good video, bud. Thanks!
Glad you liked it!
What about if u feel like you are going too fast middle corner and you just gently press the rear brake?
That's what i do, i don't known if that is wrong..
Pointer and middle finger on the brake, thumb, ring finger and pinkie twisting the throttle. It's like finger gymnastics.
I learned to be a smooooooooooth operator
I understand trail breaking did this alot on my dl650 just outta curiosity I have a Goldwing 1800 hit back breaks and it also engages the front brakes. So besides I have to ride slower around turns can you point me in a direction to look on how to take turns using this method or what's your recommendation
I say in the video...depending on your pace, you may not have to use the brakes at all...I'm guessing you're not riding really fast in the canyons/track days so trail braking probably isn't too high on your priority to learn.
Dust or sand in the corner is another reason to learn to control the bikes front and rear tire grip pressure, and the weight transfer. Its hard to see against the color and texture of the road. Maybe it wasnt there yesterday, but some got blown or washed there today. Ride safe people.
Stay gold.
The more people take dirt bike courses...the better you'll be able to handle and recover from slips and slides. MotoJitsu.com/courses
Oh this was a great explaination.
thanks
Thanks mate! You probably saved me some pain...
hope so!
Great video! 👍🏼
Thanks!
Did anyone else see the balloons?
When suspension unloads and causes a crash. Is it because during the unload the upward motion carries momentum at the top and takes weight away from the tire?
Thanks!
No problem!
A mere thought of being in a corner excites you. That tells me how much you love riding
:) exactly
@@MotoJitsu By the way, I wish your youtube channel gave some tips (if there are any) on riding up hill and down hill. Becase just few hours ago I crashed riding down hill. Was going a wee bit faster than I thought
"you wish" I have over 1,000 videos and I already have many videos about hills, up and down.
Good explanation
thanks
Thank you
You're welcome
Nice movie. Greetings from Poland.
thanks, share it!
Great stuff. Tf is going on with the editing haha
Does all of this apply to Harley type bikes as well? I always notice your vids are mostly sports bikes and I'm a new rider.
You must not watch many of my videos...I've owned 1 sport bike since I started my channel almost 6 years ago, that's it...99% of my videos are not about any specific bike...they're about techniques...I don't care what bike you're riding.
Naturally, it is almost impossible to brake hard and turn. I don't know if it is only me, but if I ride fast and going into a corner, braking hard actually making me hard to lean (probably because of the inertia of the bike and my body), so I'm actually forced to release the brake as I want to lean. So, trail braking should actually come naturally
Do I understand correctly that to prevent low side your friend had to avoid going through that dip or to reduce lean angle during the dip?
can't bunny hop the bike...the point of the video is nothing to do with what you just said.
What if I keep applying the front brake while in the middle of the turn instead of slowly releasing it?
Greg,
When we trail off the brake do we need to do that movement with our eyes like you did? 😂
MUST...not need
I’m a little confused, acceleration should begin after the lean or before?
You are confused...re-rewatch the video...this video has nothing to do with acceleration.
How to make your bike lean and body positioning to achieve perfect knee drag
As moto jitsu said more lean more risk 😀
😂😂😂 great vid!
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your right bro but he was shaking the steering also
So when you’re at max lean angle for the turn you’ll have already trailed off the breaks by then?
depends on the corner and how much you're leaning...the max lean angle for the corner may only be 20 degrees.
But does the suspension spring back up if you release the brakes while your leaning?
If you’re on the brakes and let go fast, yes
have you ever heard of sonny burns the motorcycle racer?