Ah, yes, a ranged unit that can move after attacking. The ultimate cheese. "So these guys on horseback ran up to our city, shot some arrows at our walls, and then ran away. Somehow, our walls aren't holding."
On my first two tries, I got close, but was maybe 10 turns short of victory. Realizing that I need to prioritize logistics (and ignore for example the city attack promotion until I have logistics) was the missing piece that allowed me to win on the third try. Instead of conquering Korea, I allied them, but this can take some RNG to be able to do, it seems the cities will often stay allied to civs even when those civs are destroyed. In my second try I was first hostile to Korea and let them take Liaoyang and Beijing, before allying them. This way I still got the horses and had less unhappiness. This isn't necessary, just a nice bonus, as on the third try I managed to win despite not feeding Korea any cities. One problem with allying Korea is that they will have their units around, which on some turns block access to attacking Japan. The way I finally got Japan is that I declared war as early as possible, used two keshiks to bombard the one city you can reach from the tip of Korea, leveling up the keshiks, and when I had conquered that city and killed enough Japanese units, they agreed to a peace deal where they gave me the city they have in the east. If you can do this early enough, the 10 turns of peace won't be a problem, and attacking from land is far, far easier with the keshiks. Before that I had been trying to infiltrate with keshiks from the north and try to grind enough experience for my naval ships to get +1 range and bombard Kyoto enough to take it by attacking from the sea with a land unit. That would probably have worked too, but the peace plan was probably faster. I attacked India before Persia by going through the southern jungles, but attacking Persia through the mountains might be a better idea. Remember that you can get +1 happiness from garrisoning cities. An archer costs 200 gold and gives you +1 happiness if you can get it to a city without garrisson, and they helped a lot with dealing with barbarians. I never got below -20 happiness, I think, except maybe for a turn or two when I had conquered a city before the earlier city hadn't been razed yet. I was able to build Notre Dame in Karakorum, which also helped a lot with unhappiness. I captured far too many useless workers. You can disband them for about 17 gold, but I found that they are actually very useful as scouts. This way I didn't need to reload saves, as I lost only one keshik to Persia, and that was only because I forgot to bring workers from India. Against Arabia, for example, I had a lot of workers and that way I always knew where the enemy was, and the enemy would also often waste their attack on capturing workers instead of attacking my units. Using the workers as bait is also kind of a historical nod to the real Mongols, as apparently they sometimes deliberately drove refugees before them to cause chaos within the enemy before they attacked.
Great video, thanks for uploading it. Just one question here, it seems that you are splitting your troops fairly evenly between rough terrain combat bonus and non-rough. When I tried a play-through of this scenario it appeared that the vast majority of cities were built on non-rough terrain. Looking back, do you think speccing heavier into non-rough would be a better option? Also, I find that indirect fire before additional range is the better upgrade, as I'm blocked more than I am out of range
im verry happy to find this vid, cause most walkthroughs are over 1.5y old. I have two questions: Does this unlock the lower achievements? - Are you gonna do other scenarios? like vikings for example
Hey I used your over all strategy and have passed this scenario on deity. I manage to finish it within 90t, so there are a few improvement I do to your strategy. First at the last city of Arabia, I conquered the CS at the right of it first because it is extremely annoying and it don't consume very much time. So unlike you, I didn't lost any promoted Keshik there, and it accelerate the conquer very much. Secondly, I didn't raze those city with horses, so I can keep buying keshik, and the new keshiks can make the later game easier. Thirdly I invest some army at home so the rebel wouldn't ruin the horses at home, at least not for too long. Finally, I conquered Japan mush faster than you, I don't know why is that but somehow I take Japan down within 80T. So Japan isn't that hard, I think, because the tough terrain influence not only you but also the AI, and apparently they are not good at dealing with it.
How come the catapults and the cho-ko-nu and such don't bother to shoot you when you leave yourself in range?? That doesn't even happen on my king games, much less deity!
My first time was going "okay", a little behind the video. I ended up leave it behind to try again, because I had made too many mistakes in terms of promotions (didn't realize you needed lvl3 of accuracy/barrage to get the good stuff). Now in my second run, I'm two turns ahead of the video! Jin are defeated and I'm only on turn 16.
I don't know why but your units do way more damage than mine. Take the start for example. That very first unit you attack with keshik when attacking Western Xia, it dies in one hit. My keshik only does 4 damage, even after using a 2nd Keshik, it's still alive. I'm not sure why your units do way more damage than mine, considering i did exactly as you did.
3 years late but it was probably just the RNG ... in the exact same circumstances a unit might only do a few points of damage or get a complete kill. I'd assume you just got unlucky
Entirely depends on your situation. If you're low on happiness, raze them. If you have decent happiness, or they provide a unique luxury resource or have a good production level, then it's better to keep them. It mostly revolves around happiness management as an unhappy empire means you troops are weaker, making them more vulnerable to enemy attacks and drastically slowing you down.
-If you select raze at capture, they wont count as anex until you stop the raze. -In this scenario you need cities for horses and nothing else, but you can't raze city-states, and capitals and you cant tolerate unhappiness. -A Puppet is better cos no need for courthouse, an Annexed is better cos can avoid growth, and no useless buildings with maintenance fees. -A lvl2 annexed city with: courthouse+colosseum+walls+garrison costs only 2 happiness (if it has horses cirsus makes that 0, if it has unique lux than it produces 2)
Always raze, you have so much unhappiness in this scenario, the cities do not provide anything. Puppets are pretty useless regardless. Also: If you want the horses from a city, you can starve the city to 1 or 2 pop, so it generates the least amount of unhappiness. 2 pop might be better to finish courthouses faster, if you plan on it. With Courthouses and colosseums in every conquered city + starve them to 1-2 pop, I actually managed to stay happy, but the cities do not provide anything more than that.
@@Goodmorning592 Raze all cities you can raze, except maybe ones with horses nearby. Do not conquer city states that you do not need to conquer, Western Xia is basically the only one you should conquer, getting the 2 horsemen early is very valuable. You get +1 happiness from garrisoned troops in cities (check the Honor policies that you have unlocked at the start), so if you have money and cities without garrisons, it might be a good idea to buy an archer or something cheap like that and garrison them in the cities. But only if you can't buy more keshiks, you should have as many keshiks as you can, in addition to one or two horsemen for capturing cities. Build the Notre Dame in Karakorum or other high-production city if you can. You say that you only conquered China in the 100 turns. You need to be much more faster and aggressive than that. Learn to use hit-and-run tactics with keshiks, and use horsemen to capture cities when the keshiks have drained the city's health. You should be at war almost 100% of the time, constantly making progress. Prioritize conquering Beijing, the great wall makes hit-and-run attacks very difficult otherwise. It can be easily attacked from the north.
If you're talking about the first guy he met, it's Siamese I think. That is the leader model for Ramkhamhaeng, the leader of Siam. They just re-used his model for the DLC.
taking the AI's money and then declaring war was golden
Hahahaha you made him buy your luxury trade route, then you declared war. Why have i never thought of this.
So deviously simple.
It is harder to do in the newer DLCs, because you can't trade gold directly unless you have declared friendship I think
Ah, yes, a ranged unit that can move after attacking. The ultimate cheese.
"So these guys on horseback ran up to our city, shot some arrows at our walls, and then ran away. Somehow, our walls aren't holding."
Keshiks are the nastiest weapon in the game if you are using them carefully and level them up.
The Keshiks got that hit-n-run tactic.
Camel archers are dope too
On my first two tries, I got close, but was maybe 10 turns short of victory. Realizing that I need to prioritize logistics (and ignore for example the city attack promotion until I have logistics) was the missing piece that allowed me to win on the third try. Instead of conquering Korea, I allied them, but this can take some RNG to be able to do, it seems the cities will often stay allied to civs even when those civs are destroyed. In my second try I was first hostile to Korea and let them take Liaoyang and Beijing, before allying them. This way I still got the horses and had less unhappiness. This isn't necessary, just a nice bonus, as on the third try I managed to win despite not feeding Korea any cities. One problem with allying Korea is that they will have their units around, which on some turns block access to attacking Japan.
The way I finally got Japan is that I declared war as early as possible, used two keshiks to bombard the one city you can reach from the tip of Korea, leveling up the keshiks, and when I had conquered that city and killed enough Japanese units, they agreed to a peace deal where they gave me the city they have in the east. If you can do this early enough, the 10 turns of peace won't be a problem, and attacking from land is far, far easier with the keshiks. Before that I had been trying to infiltrate with keshiks from the north and try to grind enough experience for my naval ships to get +1 range and bombard Kyoto enough to take it by attacking from the sea with a land unit. That would probably have worked too, but the peace plan was probably faster.
I attacked India before Persia by going through the southern jungles, but attacking Persia through the mountains might be a better idea.
Remember that you can get +1 happiness from garrisoning cities. An archer costs 200 gold and gives you +1 happiness if you can get it to a city without garrisson, and they helped a lot with dealing with barbarians. I never got below -20 happiness, I think, except maybe for a turn or two when I had conquered a city before the earlier city hadn't been razed yet.
I was able to build Notre Dame in Karakorum, which also helped a lot with unhappiness.
I captured far too many useless workers. You can disband them for about 17 gold, but I found that they are actually very useful as scouts. This way I didn't need to reload saves, as I lost only one keshik to Persia, and that was only because I forgot to bring workers from India. Against Arabia, for example, I had a lot of workers and that way I always knew where the enemy was, and the enemy would also often waste their attack on capturing workers instead of attacking my units. Using the workers as bait is also kind of a historical nod to the real Mongols, as apparently they sometimes deliberately drove refugees before them to cause chaos within the enemy before they attacked.
Congratulations! Great video!
Great video, thanks for uploading it. Just one question here, it seems that you are splitting your troops fairly evenly between rough terrain combat bonus and non-rough. When I tried a play-through of this scenario it appeared that the vast majority of cities were built on non-rough terrain. Looking back, do you think speccing heavier into non-rough would be a better option?
Also, I find that indirect fire before additional range is the better upgrade, as I'm blocked more than I am out of range
im verry happy to find this vid, cause most walkthroughs are over 1.5y old. I have two questions:
Does this unlock the lower achievements?
- Are you gonna do other scenarios? like vikings for example
eXistenZ15 if you beat it on deity it unlocks all the Mongol achievements
Hey I used your over all strategy and have passed this scenario on deity. I manage to finish it within 90t, so there are a few improvement I do to your strategy. First at the last city of Arabia, I conquered the CS at the right of it first because it is extremely annoying and it don't consume very much time. So unlike you, I didn't lost any promoted Keshik there, and it accelerate the conquer very much. Secondly, I didn't raze those city with horses, so I can keep buying keshik, and the new keshiks can make the later game easier. Thirdly I invest some army at home so the rebel wouldn't ruin the horses at home, at least not for too long. Finally, I conquered Japan mush faster than you, I don't know why is that but somehow I take Japan down within 80T. So Japan isn't that hard, I think, because the tough terrain influence not only you but also the AI, and apparently they are not good at dealing with it.
How come the catapults and the cho-ko-nu and such don't bother to shoot you when you leave yourself in range?? That doesn't even happen on my king games, much less deity!
+Robert Johnson there not in range?
One word hills
That is not an easy scenario. Great vid
My first time was going "okay", a little behind the video. I ended up leave it behind to try again, because I had made too many mistakes in terms of promotions (didn't realize you needed lvl3 of accuracy/barrage to get the good stuff). Now in my second run, I'm two turns ahead of the video! Jin are defeated and I'm only on turn 16.
You know you can sell a city's buildings while burning it down, right?
Thx
Good tip
Would you share your system specs and software used for recording?
I don't know why but your units do way more damage than mine. Take the start for example. That very first unit you attack with keshik when attacking Western Xia, it dies in one hit. My keshik only does 4 damage, even after using a 2nd Keshik, it's still alive. I'm not sure why your units do way more damage than mine, considering i did exactly as you did.
Your general probably wasn't in range.
General bonus dmg,
Happiness should be positive for the adjacent ally unit bonus dmg.
Thats probably the reason
3 years late but it was probably just the RNG ... in the exact same circumstances a unit might only do a few points of damage or get a complete kill. I'd assume you just got unlucky
this is why people auto save often to retry turns
Is it better to raze the cities than making them puppets?
Entirely depends on your situation. If you're low on happiness, raze them. If you have decent happiness, or they provide a unique luxury resource or have a good production level, then it's better to keep them. It mostly revolves around happiness management as an unhappy empire means you troops are weaker, making them more vulnerable to enemy attacks and drastically slowing you down.
You also CAN'T raze city states and Capitals.
-If you select raze at capture, they wont count as anex until you stop the raze.
-In this scenario you need cities for horses and nothing else, but you can't raze city-states, and capitals and you cant tolerate unhappiness.
-A Puppet is better cos no need for courthouse, an Annexed is better cos can avoid growth, and no useless buildings with maintenance fees.
-A lvl2 annexed city with: courthouse+colosseum+walls+garrison costs only 2 happiness (if it has horses cirsus makes that 0, if it has unique lux than it produces 2)
Always raze, you have so much unhappiness in this scenario, the cities do not provide anything. Puppets are pretty useless regardless.
Also: If you want the horses from a city, you can starve the city to 1 or 2 pop, so it generates the least amount of unhappiness. 2 pop might be better to finish courthouses faster, if you plan on it. With Courthouses and colosseums in every conquered city + starve them to 1-2 pop, I actually managed to stay happy, but the cities do not provide anything more than that.
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awesome
I tried this scenario blind on prince, killed China and was almost done with Jin but before I knew it I ran out of turns 😢
Any tips on managing unhappiness in this scenario?
@@Goodmorning592 Raze all cities you can raze, except maybe ones with horses nearby. Do not conquer city states that you do not need to conquer, Western Xia is basically the only one you should conquer, getting the 2 horsemen early is very valuable. You get +1 happiness from garrisoned troops in cities (check the Honor policies that you have unlocked at the start), so if you have money and cities without garrisons, it might be a good idea to buy an archer or something cheap like that and garrison them in the cities. But only if you can't buy more keshiks, you should have as many keshiks as you can, in addition to one or two horsemen for capturing cities. Build the Notre Dame in Karakorum or other high-production city if you can.
You say that you only conquered China in the 100 turns. You need to be much more faster and aggressive than that. Learn to use hit-and-run tactics with keshiks, and use horsemen to capture cities when the keshiks have drained the city's health. You should be at war almost 100% of the time, constantly making progress. Prioritize conquering Beijing, the great wall makes hit-and-run attacks very difficult otherwise. It can be easily attacked from the north.
Долой Штолле!
welp. cant steal a civs gold then DOW anymore
-_- it speak like Chinese what the hell its not Mongolian because i am Mongol
maybe thats because its not mongol but chinese
+Sodko Jackson no, it is not Chinese, I can't understand wtf he said
If you're talking about the first guy he met, it's Siamese I think. That is the leader model for Ramkhamhaeng, the leader of Siam. They just re-used his model for the DLC.
Yea no thanks, I suck way too much, I just cheated lol
It Thai n Laos dump ass