These Berries Aint Ripe!...Federal Syntech .45 ACP Segmenting Self-Defense AMMO Test!
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- Checking out the .45 auto Federal Syntech segmenting hollow point ammo. Heavy clothing ballistic gel test using a Rock Island Armory 1911 and Glock 30!
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Wow. I’m thinking of gettin a box of Winchester white box and some nail polish, make my own High Tech ammo.
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You would be way better off lol.
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👍👍 good idea😂😂
I baffles me how Federal can arguably design the best performing hollow point them make something like this.
It is pretty crazy.😂
Does anyone at Federal test this stuff before they put it up for sale?
@@PassivePortfolios boy it sure doesn’t seem like it.
Do they make these in 380?
@@380master9 why does that matter, it’s total junk?
Why is the ammo industry still trying to foist CRAP on us consumers? Without guys like you we'd all be suckers.
It is pretty crazy to see some of this stuff fail so hard.
I have said it before if you want reliable expansion you need velocity. Velocity is what made the old school 357 Magnum ammo perform so well and is still doing so today. Everything expands out of a 357 Sig and 357 Mag!
@@kennethferguson4283yep. Or a well designed bullet. If you want to shoot .45 for self defense, you absolutely need either a full sized pistol or a light-for-caliber bullet. HSTs, on Tools' channel, will open up and perform as low as low 800s. Get ya some light .45 HSTs, and you're set. Sidenote, I personally don't fiddle with .45 in anything smaller than full sized. Or .380 at all for that same issue.
@@kennethferguson4283 or just buy HST.
@@CrashRacknShoot My point was even the old or not so well designed bullets reliably expand in the 357 Sig and 357 Mag. Example the cheap Winchester white box HPs that are hit and miss in other calibers perform reliably in the 357s.
That projectile at 205 grains can easily be safely pushed to 1000-1025 fps in a +p loading. Federal usually makes excellent SD ammo, but they really dropped the ball on this load.
Yeah, these big boys could definitely take the heat.
The Hornady 220+p average about 930. That's nearly 10% heavier.
For sure that would make these rounds work.
Sad that these companies just don’t have quality control worth a crap
Aint that the truth.
The way the sun was projecting onto the Glock from the jelly contraption in the beginning would actually make for a cool paint scheme. 👊
Also, great test again Tools!
Yeah, it was kinda trippy. 😎👊
It's Bizarre that this utter crap load is from the same company who makes HST ammo.
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If the HST lineup wasn't so damn good, Federal wouldn't even be around anymore.
Just like blue balls... don't want em 😤
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The Smurf reference made my laugh. Solid, honest testing. It is what it is, and you don't make excuses. You show what happens, and are harsh when it's warranted. Keep telling the truth!
Appreciate that!😎👊
Brought to you by the same company as HST. It boggles the mind.
Yep
The fruit’s done rotted on the tree. Total failure. Shame on federal for puttin this crap out there.
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My gunstore gave me a box of twenty of this Federal in the video when I bought my 1911, my first gun. I got a two boxes of ammo: a box of 50 for the range, which was 45 FMJ Aguila. And then he asked if I wanted defense ammo, and I said yes. He then handed me the stuff in this video. I'm a new gun owner, so I didn't know that this was a bad choice. My gun store has lots of different varieties and brands, and he chose for me. So, yeah, I have 20 of these, some in my mags and one in the chamber. Should I just switch to the Aguila FMJ? Is this ammo really that bad? What defense ammo do you recommend in 45 ACP?
C'mon Federal you're better then that
For real.
After years of being owned by Vista Group?
No, Federal isn't better than this.
I appreciate you always having clear gel. Most channels have gel that looks like refrigerated drippings from a Christmas ham
He really takes care of his jelly, you can tell he puts a lot of work in.
They reuse the gel via oven. They're like $1000 each
🤣🤣🤣 I never thought of it as that but you're right!
We have to find that Enchanted 5" barrel .45 cal gun Federal used; for it apparently adds over 70FPS and causes dud ammo to fragment into add-worthy picturesque star-burst patterns.
The one barrel to rule them all!😲
Good test Tools. Surprised by this performance, they definitely didn't get the formula right like they did the 9mm version.
Nope. Such a shame.
I think most of us wanted it to pass because of the 9mm test but I gave up on 45acp expanding it was designed for ball ammo it's a giant hole puncher imo just run a good ball ammo that can hit in the 900fps and your good
I always wish we could get someone from the company to try to explain their failures to us.
Thanks for the warning to let that on the shelf Tools. Nothing here brother on using this stuff. Mainly because of results seen by your tests. Good job. Be safe. 🇺🇸👊🇺🇸
I just use the old 230 grain FMJ in my 45 Tools.
That does the trick.😎👊
They all fall too ball!
With that kind of performance, might as well use FMJ. Probably cheaper too.
Total junk, incredibly slow even though 5" bbl. It was only like 826 fps at the gel. Totally worthless especially since you can get as much velocity out of a good 230gr FMJ load or more!! Never priced any of these bum rounds but pretty sure you can get 230gr FMJ for less than this mess!! I am a .45acp enthusiasts but this stuff makes it look feeble.. Thanks for the test, Bro!! Glad I have not purchased any of these failures!
Honestly, I don’t understand manufacturers. They know most people are buying/using smaller barrels for concealed carry; why not design for that and vary the weight and charge as necessary to get the expansion expected. 🤷♂️
Exactly
Maybe everyone doesn’t necessarily want a bunch of expansion? I can only speak for myself but I spend a lot of time in the hills with bears and other critters and I prefer pistol calibers that penetrate/break bones than necessarily expand. A good hardcast swc is what I like
Maybe everyone doesn’t necessarily want a bunch of expansion? I can only speak for myself but I spend a lot of time in the hills with bears and other critters and I prefer pistol calibers that penetrate/break bones than necessarily expand. A good hardcast swc is what I like
If you don't want expansion, you buy the Hornady critical duty they expand to a little over 50 caliber and have 22 inches of penetration in denim +gel tests. They whoop ass. Want less penetration and a 70 caliber expansions, you can get hst. But, this?
@@logangodofcandy I totally agree , this is a bunch of bs , I like swc hardcast myself
FMJ would be better and a lot cheaper. They’d do the same thing. I don’t know these companies won’t listen to anyone trying to help them figure out the bullet performance according to caliber so i just keep my opinion to myself.
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Can semi wadcutters run in an auto? Cause those are bad ass.
It’s amazing how those boxes will lay right there and let the marketing department write anything on them.
Dang, terrible. Back in 80s I had good luck with the Nyclads. Seems like ammo has been working its way down for a while.
Figured that was going to happen at those velocity
What a shame. I switched to the 9mm Syntech Defense in my carry gun after watching your video and a few others and I have fallen in love with them.
It is odd that the velocity is so low on these, I wonder what Federal was thinking.
I'm glad you said "Sometimes I forget about modern technology". When you said you looked up the stats, wrote them down, but forgot them, I thought "Wow, he must be way out in the sticks" assuming you had no cell service. Haha.
To be fair, I do stuff like that a lot as well.
True professionals always have a small notepad & writing implement.
@@MB-jg4tr I totally agree. Though, that wasn't really my point.
You're actually not wrong. I have 1 bar of service...sometimes. I usually have to walk around for a while to get that one bar.😂
The Smurf references cracked me up! I haven’t heard those names since I watched it as a kid. I absolutely love your randomness my friend! 😂. As for the flying blueberries 🫐 it’s a hard pass for me. I was hopeful after the 9mm did well but like you said, .45 is a tough one sometimes for lack of velocity. Great stuff as always 👍🇺🇸🇺🇸
Appreciate ya, brother!😎👊
Wow! I got a box of these and I’m glad you tested them. Thx
Good work. I always hate to see you test flops but you're probably saving lives by doing so. 👍
Don't think I need any of those, THX Bro-B 👊 🇺🇸
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I really had high hopes for this one. Super soft lead with a nylon coating should go to pieces easily, especially when it’s designed to segment. Another ‘may as well use ball’ failure. Thanks tons for great testing to save us average consumers some big $$$!
This video was a real shame as I ALWAYS choose Federal ammo for my self defense rounds. As a hand loader, I choose Federal primers above all others because they are softer than all other primers. I guess anyone can design an “iffy” bullet, but I love Federal components.
Your results are consistent with a test of them in .45acp I saw on another channel. Affer seeing your test of them in 9mm, I bought some for my .45acp; however, their failure in .45acp caused me to replace them with Critical Duty.
Try a 16" barrel and see if the velocity increase changes anything.
underpowered and underperforming. thanks for the great video, as always.
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I find you entertaining as well as informative. That’s high praise for someone so young 👍🏻
Thank you sir. Much appreciated.😎👊
Shame on Federal.
I'll stick with HST in everything.
Another Excellent video. Thanks!
@ToolsandTargetz Is this for real or a scam??
Makes you wonder where and how they even got their velocity numbers from that they advertise. These fall into the realm of claimed vehicle HP and measuring TV width corner to corner. Thanks for all you do.
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At least you don't have to pay extra for "Subsonic Ammo"! With a .45 pistol.
i have some 175 grain syntech in 40 smith. it was all i could find during the
2020/2021 shortage. i ran a couple of mags in the h&k with no issues, but
now i am concerned about carrying it!
I need to grab some of it. I'm betting it will do well.
Thanks!
Appreciate that, brother!😎👊
Thanks for the data
Maybe they should rename those .45 rounds with the pretty bullets to the Lipstick on a Pig rounds. If you get the chance it would be nice if you could test the relatively new 350 Legend Hornady Black ammo with the 150 grain InterLock bullet. Got a deal on them and bought a bunch, hoping they perform on hogs.
You should have tried the 5 inch without the clothing barrier.
Better off using 230gr. ball vs the smurf stuff. At least Federal has a winner with HST. Good test.
Would love to see a test on Hornady American gunner 9mm 124GR XTP +P (budget JHP)
You know ive had the same results with them in 45 with a 4,5 and 6" bbl but I've had great success in the 9 and 40 i did 10 shots in different beaters, water jugs, clay, gel and pad of paper and no prob except paper lol but both rounds did great the 45 did expand 2 time out of 10 shots with the 6" only, i personally believe they're not fast enough
That sucks,I was impressed with the 9mm enough to pick up a couple hundred.glad I didn’t buy any for my 1911.
I'd like to see the Syntec in .38 Special tested - especially out of a 2-inch snubby and a 4-inch.
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@@ToolsandTargets Thanks for your reply! 🙂
Another great video brother...hello from sunny hot Florida.
Thank you sir. things are supposed to start heating up around here end of next week.🥵
Lower velocity than stated, small HP cavity and one that appeared to plug easily, and it's a recipe for non expansion. I should also mention that Federal probably uses a one size fits all alloy for all their lead HP ammo, and the coating is probably harder on a BHN scale than the alloy itself, which is usually the case. I cast and coat lead HP bullets for all my handgun and some rifle calibers I shoot. To get reliable expansion, you first start with a velocity range you're going to be shooting at and build your HP bullet with a cavity design as in shallow, deep, narrow or wide and lead or lead based alloy that expands properly with that velocity range and bullet. That's why they call bullet casting and art and a science, it's not that hard to get excellent results, but it does take some testing instead of using a one size fits all approach.
I think you're right on. This coating seems very tough.
Would love to see a lever action 327fed mag test those little bullets are screaming out of a rifle
Only place to find a .327 henry anymore is GB. I was looking at one on there the other day.
Thanks for all your hard work. It shows.
More good to know info, Tools! Love the shirt man!
Thank you sir.😎👊
This stuff is considerably slower than cheap fmj range ammo,
I was thinking that this was going to be a decent fragmenting test in 45 at around the 500fpe range which is what it should have been l.
Thanks for saving me from that purchase! I would still like to see federal punch 9mm out of a carbine.
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Federal Syntech, wait for em to turn red. too green or blue. Waist of $. Thanks T&T.
Cor-Bon Pow'Rballs in .45 ACP might be interesting. I'd been wondering if those Syntech were any good.
The PowRBall has been impressive so far.
It's crazy Federal of all companies would make this, they would make rounds slower than normal but the bullets they use would always be guaranteed to expand.
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I never liked blueberry! Thanks for letting us know about garbage bullets. Won't waste my time or money. Great video as always thanks! Your the man!
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Damn just bought 500 rds.
Aren’t the Federal Syntech “blueberries” considered a defensive round against dangerous animals where penetration is prioritized over expansion?
I’ll stick to copper and lead
Great review! you saved me a few bucks since now I don’t need to try these in my 45acp...but how about 40?
Maybe factory used a smoothbore 5". Suppose you won't test that. Grins.
Well they got he color right...blue for blue balls. Anxious and disappointed in the end with no happy ending.
The 9mm version is a great round. This .45ACP failed in the jelly. Disappointing, but I wonder how it would compare in actual flesh. I wanna see some Paul Harrell meat target type tests
The velocity is obviously the problem here. It has zero to do with the test medium. Glaringly obvious, but people are brainwashed by the CCI shill.
It would be interesting to see how this ammo performs out of a carbine... we know it's doesn't perform as stated from a handgun.
Basically 9mm energy
i know i’m an idiot and my options don’t amount to a hill of beans, but leaving the ballistics gel in the sun like that may affect its performance. maybe put a sun shade over the top of it so it can sit in the shade. just a thought. i love your work though!
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But! They still retained their lovely color! 🤓😂
This is disappointing considering the 9mm version was the best fragmenting hollow points I ever remember seeing.
Tools, great vid. Surprise #1 from the last ammo score. I'll bet the .40 outperforms the 9mm!
Thank you sir.😎👊
These new hi-tech .45 rounds are gonna sell a lot of 9mm! 😂
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Bummer it failed lol the cci segmenting mini mags work great at least the ones I've shot has =)
Yeah, would have been nice to see more good ones.
@@ToolsandTargets Yeah the mini mag ones I've shot out of various pistols and rifles and they always broke up in the jugs of water, ground squirrels, gophers and such.
That was so bad I'd contact Federal for a refund.
I've got some boxes of this in .40, I wonder how it would perform.
I think these rounds are lethal.
Any round has the potential to be.😎👍
Lethal yes but a manstopper no.
I don't even bother reading what a box says, I come here for the real performance and which ammo company to avoid for lying.
Just one more reason why I load my own.😒
Man those are ducking garbage! I've been looking at them for a while too. Thank you very much sir for changing my mind
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That’s sad that companies straight up lie like that. Someone could be thinking they have good self defense ammo and it tragically fails and lets them down.
Back in the day, Federal used to sell blue bullets. The coating was called “Nyclad”. Just a blue coating over a lead bullet. These that you tested aren’t Nyclad coated, are they?
Pretty sure they are basically the modern-day version.
I remember the Nyclad line from the 1980's-90's era. They were their standard, soft, swaged lead bullets with a nylon coating. The idea was the soft lead would still deform/expand, but not leave lead fouling in the barrel. If I recall correctly, they worked fairly well, but they were dropped from production when the media started making claims about coated bullets being cop killer bullets.
@@stansdds I have some of the 38 Special Nyclads. I sometimes carry them in revolvers that are not plus P rated. The Nyclads were highly recommend for snub nose revolvers back in the 70's & 80's. In my way far from scientific test, LoL, I've found the Nyclads have very rapid expansion - but shallow penetration.
@@stansdds the real reason that they want them banned that they won't say is because they don't leave forensically traceable rifling marks on the bullet. The gouges in the plastic relaxes. I read this on NIJ website about firearm forensics. But of course they can't come out and say that because of the Steisand Effect. So they screech "cop killer"
@@shadowwolf9503 Yeah, I had 38 120gr +p nyclads for a long time, now they're insanely hard to find. Was always considered very good for a snub, even until the early 2010s. I think I'd go with Punch now though, gets good results and has a similar soft-lead theory to it.
Confusing that they segment it to come apart but then coat it which slows down segmenation if speed isnt up there 😱 The fmj coated for range use is accurate & may not penetrate as bad since its slower. 🤔💥
True, that coating doesn't look too soft either.
Useless, unless you want FMJ performance at a premium
Tools how you been buddy long time been busy building highways I don’t think they loaded them correctly. I think they didn’t put enough powder in them My opinion.
Hangin in there. Appreciate ya, brother!😎👊
This is a big L for Federal. Ammo manufacturers have significantly watered down 45acp 10mm & many others.
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Absolutely agree, but a watered down 10mm will still get the job done and even expand sometimes. Doing that to a 45acp is crazy in my humble opinion!!
Disappointing. It is interesting that both shots in the gel were nearly identical velocities. It might perform if it could get up around 900. But too few were near that range. Appreciate the coverage. Thank you.
Yeah, I bet these bullets can take a whole lot more power behind em. I really should find some time to get my reloading setup in order, to mess with some of the failed rounds like this.
Thanks for running these in the G30. I'm glad I don't care for these because they suck.
Someone at Federal is into synthetics, and I don't mean materials.
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Those aren't blueberries, they stink so bad they are dingleberries!
I hear these are effective for defeating Gargamel.
Like kryptonite to Superman!
When .45 ACP rounds reach the end of the first block, usually that is odd. But to go almost through two? That's asinine performance.
Man you keep the best and unique grips on your 1911’s … give me the sauce please 🙏
www.altamontco.com/pistol-grips/1911/government-fingergroove/ 😎👊
One more bear country round right here lol
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A round nose?
Tools have you ever evaluated the 30 Super Carry?
Yeah, not a fan myself. th-cam.com/play/PL1TSV70robRpfQDvAmC7cylYY9XrE3dgq.html
I think I'm transitioning to either Buffalo Bore, Grizzly and maybe Underwood for all carry ammo. Now them I trust, especially BB and Grizzly. BTW, what is the hosts first name? Sorry to have to ask.
I don't know why Federal wastes their time with junk like this, when they have the superb HST.
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#Tools&Targets Have you done a review on the G9, 9mm 80 gr External Hollow Point verses the 90GR 9MM Interceptor by Detroit Ammo?
Just a request before purchasing. 🦅🇺🇲
Tools hey
Howdy brother!