Better Than HST?...Federal PUNCH 9mm vs 45acp Self-Defense AMMO Test!
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- Checking out some Federal Punch ammo in 9mm and 45 auto. Are these some more, good short-barrel defensive options? Heavy clothing ballistic gel test using a Canik Mete MC9 and Glock 30!
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Would be great to see a follow-up vid on the .45ACP Punch being fired out of a full-sized 1911 for comparison's sake.
That’s about the most impressive.45 I’ve ever seen! It expanded to almost .70 and still penetrated over 19 inches. That’s better than 99% of all calibers out there. The fact that it did it out of a 3.8 inch barrel just makes it that much more amazing!
Yep. Great stuff for the short barrel.
I too was shocked and impressed with the performance. Gonna have to see how it does out of a 5" barrel now!
@@d.hayward5232 dITTO!
Yeah the 45 stuff was really impressive.. with that being said the HST is just as good if not better but either one works 🤷🏻♂️
@@joeyphillips1181Now the HST guys are saying "just as good"😂
Yes, I've said it before...I am a HST guy to the bone marrow, however...The Punch is definitely a contender. Plus, it's a bit cheaper here, locally!!
I feel pretty confident in my EDC ammo thanks to all of the jelly you've been through Tools.
The jelly weeds em out.😎👍
Tools and his Jelly Contraption is saving us all loads of money, fo'sho'!
Agreed. Best jelly tests on JuuTube. Having the right defense rounds sure makes one feel good.
Tools, I think you are absolutely right about the Punch having a more pure lead, making the Punch softer. I think that heavy 230 .45ACP at the lower than box velocity pretty much proves it. I think I will check some of those babies out myself. My Pop has a 1911 in .40S&W and I am curious how that soft lead in a high pressure round like the .40 will do. Will it blow up?? Who knows? A good idea for a Tools Test... 40 in a long vs short barrel with The Punch!! Keep 'em comin', tools!
I’d be interested in this as well.
I think Punch is the hidden gem of ammo world.
I didn't record it but I tried this Federal punch 40s&w with a Glock22 on a goat carcass which was pretty much the same thickness as a human torso & it passed through leaving a decent wound channel & the bullet was just about an inch in the dirt.
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I've carried 124gr 9mm Punch ever since I saw it appear on this channel and never changed since, being fully confident in it's capabilities.
Thank you Tools 🎉
Good stuff.😎👊
Might have to consider changing also! Still love the Hornady critical defense though.
@@sandoval1529Hornady CD is very consistent, but HST & Punch are clearly better options.
@@MB-jg4tr Absolutely! Punch has done great out of every barrel length I own, and every test I've watched they've done well. CD is ok but I like a little heavier bullet and the9mm punch has nice power too just being standard pressure. Punch all day long over critical defense.
Both of those are pretty impressive. Federal definitely has some smart folks working for them. Great video, as always, brother.
The 9mm expanded almost the same as the 45. Impressive, most impressive.
I anticipated that it would be all too easy for the .45.
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I work at Gopher Resource. The lead refinery that distributes the lead lead Federal uses. You're absolutely right about the different color being a different alloy.
How nany ammo companies do you supply. And it seems like lighter grey ammo is softer
@jimchambers7548 we do all federal/spear gold dot, Remington.... I can't speak to "softer" I know the darker the more pure.... but I don't think that matters. We make at least 13 different alloy variants for different applications.
@@jimchambers7548 don't look at it like softer is a positive or negative. Research the bullet you need for the job you need done.
@@jordanamos102 i do check out bullets, it looks like the lighter grey expand more like the Remington semijacket, ammo inc. I keep the different JHP i catch to compare the looks. Just something i was curious about and seeing how you're the expert figured I'd ask. Ty
I enjoy seeing mixed callbers same projectile videos
I like em myself.😎👊
Tools i been rocking with you since you had under 10k subs and watched your channel grow. Congratulations on your success because you put in the work! Great content as usual
Appreciate that bigtime, brother! It's been a lot of fun!😎👊
The 9mm really impressed me with the expansion and penetration that 45 ACP was no slouch I never expected it to expand that well federal did there home work and turned out some nice ammo. I have some of the punch in 9mm I haven't had a chance to try it out yet I will be doing a lot more now that the weather is nice. Great video comparison 45 ACP and 9mm are the two most popular self defense rounds.
May I suggest you put round stickers on the denim so that you'll have an aiming point when you do the tests.
I draw aim points with a sharpie but with so many different guns and points of impact, it doesn't always go to plan.😂
I'm gonna be 100% honest, I've been waiting to see you test this before I bought it🤣 I'm like you in the fact that I distrust most .45 ACP with 230gr bullets. I had good results with the 9mm punch in my shield a few years ago when I was doing some gel testing myself. So I have a bunch of that. I guess I'll be buying some .45 now too! Thank you again for the great content man!
Used to be a 9mm would out penetrate a 45 no matter the round used, but this is one of the few examples where it didn't. That said the performance difference between the 2 calibers using the punch is so close a switch from the 9 to a 45 wouldn't be justified
Pure lead is dark gray. They add tin to it to make it harder. The more tin they add to it the brighter it gets. Hard cast have a lot of tin and that’s why they are so bright silver.
Makes sense.😎👍
I thought antimony made it harder and tin made it flow better in the bullet molds
I'm with you my friend.. Antitmony and tin are what is used to make bullets casting lead alloy harder! Brinell hardness is the scale used to used to measure the relative hardness of the lead bullet casting material. The higher the Brinell hardness the harder the lead alloy! @timd729
Yes tin adds minimal hardness, and is more for mold fill out, Antimony is what makes it considerably harder.
Tin does add some hardness but not by a lot.
These caliber match ups are so cool!! Awesome to see the difference between the performance in the gel
Holy crap! Look at that big old
.45 go! This ammo looks great. I love my HST
Federal Punch is definitely worth the price point. The MC9 makes another great showing. The .45acp surprised me the most. That is the standard for the ammo to perform to. Very nice the weight, speed, short barrel and still performs as it should. Thumbs up there. Federal gets the top dog stamp. Thanks for sharing and be safe. ⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️
Hell yes this is exactly what I’m talking about. Let’s see some what should you EDC caliber series
I picked up a box of 124 gr. Federal Law Enforcement Tactical HST at a show, $35/50. They look the same, except for a nickel coating. They're also rated at 1150.
I always try to scoop up the LEO trade boxes when my local shop gets some. They never get any 9mm, unfortunately.😆
I am liking what i see out of the federal punch line
Good stuff
Very impressive results, especially the 45.
After watching your channel I have a great appreciation for these punch rounds. Thank you.
Punch does it again
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I've committed on most all your videos I've seen. I never held back on any thing and on this video I must say I am greatly impressed with results on both calibers. as we know all hollow points are not equal, but today it couldn't get any better. I love your honest tests holding back nothing. Papa wishing you well 😊
If you want a cheap way to test the lead’s hardness you can try an old reloader’s trick using a cheap set of artist’s pencils. Get them nice and sharp and try to scratch the lead, starting with the softer pencils and working your way up. You can estimate the hardness of the lead based on the known hardness of the pencil graphite.
Cool trick, thanks
So what number pencil scratches pure lead? The lead sheets you get off of old roofs.
You are convincing me that JMB was onto something for sure! Thanks for the video
Federal's HST line has been good stuff and it looks like their Punch line will be too.
Punch is fitting name for those bullets ! Enjoyed the test Tools !
Either one would provide very adequate protection provided the user can put them in the proper place when the time comes.
Placement is 🗝️ It doesn't matter what you're loaded with if you can't hit vitals. Practice is more important than what you're yeeting 👍
I’d pay an extra dollar or two for them to nickel plate these again. They did for a while… but I think only the 22lr is plated still
Easier to find in the grass as well.
Love how you're videos are no bull $hit. Straight to the point.
I'd love to see some wadcutters/flat point jelly tests from various calibers. Love watching, cheers
Great videos! Always showing me exactly what i want to know , any .40 165 vs 180 video? Im searching allll your videos now
Great information about the Punch. Better than HST? Not hardly. 😃
Another superb test. These should be what I carry in my G30s from now on.
I like these head to head test between different calibers that you do.
Appreciate that, brother.😎👊
Extremely impressive expansion in that 45ACP.
makes it even more strange that the cci uppercut failed since its the same parent company and federal seems to know what to do for expansion even with slow 45s
Can't complain about those results!
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2 winners there Brian. The surprise was the 45 only having 25ft lbs extra energy
Old 4th MARDIV and me LOVED MY 45s.. WOW. great results on the 230gr. Punch. I EDC my Terry Tussy custom 70 series COMMANDER and this would be a hell of a self defense load. Thanks again TOOLS, much love from this Old Marine.. SEMPER FI 🇺🇸🫡. 🔫🔫🔫pew pew pew .
I'm impressed with the .45 results. That is good expansion, especially from a short barrel. I've said for awhile the lead used today is harder than years ago. Hence less expansion.
Glad to see these results!!! 🙌🏻👊👍
Another great one ,Man!Thanks so much for all that you do for the 2A community!
Very valid with the number of subcompact options today. Thanks for putting this together.
Both are sufficient; however, the 9 will always fall behind the 45 in end result capability. That said, I love your videos and learn something from each one. In the end, your results and the results of others show the significant advantage of the 45acp. ALL issues considered, all videos made, I am convinced a man's best chance of stopping a bad guy, or several bad guys, and the best chance of survival when limited to a handgun, is found in a 45 acp with at least a 4" barrel. I'm referring to ALL considerations: ease of carry, capacity, ease of operation, relative "stopping power," time into initial shot, concealability, comfort, all other factors bearing on full time carry, a lightweight commander size 1911 is the very best. Other carry guns are of course adequate, but none other has ever been made to best that choice. I carry others at times but I know I am under gunned compared to the very best.
45 has no real advantage if anything the reduced capacity and controllability leaves it disadvantaged. But even with the FBI switching back to 9 mm and releasing their findings in the report no one bothered to read you can’t teach some people anything.
I carry a 70 series TUSSY custom Commander and feel “ very well equipped for self defense” ! Their 230gr Punch look like a real winner. SEMPER FI. 😉🇺🇸🫡
Thats good penetration for a Glock 30! Most 45 acp rounds go 14 inches to 18 inches in gel! They might expand more but thats decent expansion coming from a short barrel 45 acp! Sure the HST might expand more but i want that penetration in case of a 4 legged beast! This punch is adequate for animals & people in case of a self defense scenario! I got a Glock 30S and im going to carry this Federal Punch for woods carry & just normal edc! Thanks for your time making these videos and sharing them! It gives us a good idea of what to carry and the barrel lengths to carry with the rigjt ammo to carry!
Know what I'm switching to, Thanks. Good on ya 😉
You always have the best ballistic gel tests! Love it. Keep them comin'!
Appreciate that!😎👊
I like the results of the test, but I'll stick with my HSTs. Thanks for the intel!
I wish that I found your channel before making my ammo purchases - excellent content and video skills.
Thank you sir. Appreciate that.😎👊
Underwood has a 185 45 acp grain. I'm also wondering how the 135 grain would do. The specs are pretty good if you ask me.👌
Great test Tools! I've got some of the 9mm Punch. Looks like I need some 45acp Punch.
A couple of good ones.😎👍
Best way I can sum Punch up is it’s discount HST. It’s slightly cheaper but for the every day person, mimics about the same performance. It struggles on barriers or anything tough where it is infect a soft lead alloy, but it works very well imo in anything organic. I’ve carried and tried out both and unless you need that extra barrier penetration, punch is the way to go
The punch is really getting my attention with your video! Loving all of your videos. Keep them coming in! Great job as usual!
I'd like to see those projectiles with underwood loads.
Wow, that .45acp surprised me. I haven't even heard of this ammo other than the .22lr. I think I may get some of that for my short barrel .45's. Looks like Federal Punch for the shorties and HST for the rest. Much thanks TnT!
Good stuff.😎👍
Both are great rounds but I like the capacity with 9mm. Thanks for sharing.
We’ll Tools&Targets I’ve been watching you for 2 years now after finding a comment in one of your videos from a while back. So now I know that i have been committed to watching all of your jelly contraption content for at least 2 years now lol. Especially 10mm recently
Appreciate that, my friend.😎👊
@@ToolsandTargets I found you through looking at ballistic gel tests for common firearms and I found your platform to be entertaining and informative.When I want exotic weapons I watch Kentucky Ballistics with his safari rifles on ballistic gel torsos. Then when I want silly humor with entertaining gun content I go to Top Shot Dustin. So there’s my three top favorite gun TH-camrs.
Tools&Targets, after seeing how dramatic the difference is in velocity on 45 ACP is in a compact pistol vs full size pistol with your videos it got me to thinking about using the chronograph on FMJ bullets. Planning on using the shells for my reloads and can compare to factory ammo. The chronograph has opened up the ability to know average power factor, energy, velocity etc. Then for max kinetic energy I take the website calculator and put in bullet weight & velocity for that info and put it in the session notes on the app for Garmin.
Thanks for testing all this ammunition good stuff
Looks like the cup of the bullet is doing most of the expanding. I am sticking with the street proven HST.
That's some good performing stuff. Yep, the .45 was a very pleasant surprise. I'd like to see them put out a 200gr or a 185gr for the shorter barrels. Velocity will be up a bit at distance, it may never be needed for 25yd shots, even if it doesn't expand it starts out where a lot of 9's end up with downrange expansion.
The Punch line is great! Thanks for testing these projectiles. So far, I haven't seen a Punch projectile in any caliber not live up to the manufacturer claims. That includes gun tube tests I've viewed and my own.
Always awesome to get a notification from your channel🎉
Appreciate ya!😎👊
Good video..I have been using sig sauer 230 grain in my 45 and 124gr in my 9mm but I might try the federal HST in my Springfield 45.. ok tools take care and keep making those great videos..
Thank you sir.😎👊
Very nice performance, good to see the 230 expanding like it should. Have some 9mm Punch, need to pick up the 45. Thanks for the video Tools!
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Thanks, this was really good. Norma makes a budget defensive line of ammo called Safeguard. They perform very similarly to the Punch at only 34 cents per round.
830FPS is pretty respectable for 45 out of such a short barrel. Federal's 230gr HST and Punch loads seem a little hotter than their competition's. Bet it's close to 890 out of a good old 5" 1911. Thanks for another great test!
That would be pretty fast for a non +P in 230 grains. I would like non +P ammo like that. I got sierra outdoor masters, I think this guy tested them a few years ago
Looked like a fun test. I wouldn't want to be on the receiving end of any of them. Nice video.
Awesome video and I love those bullets, thanks.
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Very good results. Glad to see 45 succeed. Many thanks.
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Id hate to be 👊 with that 45acp
The 9mm Punch is always way cheaper than HST and unlike HST I actually see it in stock at my local shops. Not bad.
Edit: I was referring to what is available ON THE SHELF at my local stores and thus what the average person probably buys. I was speaking for the masses because I'm assuming most of you aren't buying 50 round boxes of LE Critical Duty/HST for $25 a box like I do with a Qualified Professional discount on Buds... I understand there are better deals to be had and I'm not going out of my way to buy lil 20 round boxes of Punch 👊🏻 But I'm glad it performs.
Yep
Depends on location. Around here 9mm 124gr HST LE 50rd box $40 while Punch 20rd box $20.
Yeah usually I just pick up HST or punch depending on whatever is in stock locally or online.
Looking online, HST is way cheaper in quantity. Several places with HST at 51 cpr and free shipping. Cheapest for Punch with free shipping is 80 cpr
I've never seen the price difference between the punch & HST be big enough to actually matter tbh.. I would rather pay like 5$ more per 50 rd box and get the HST's or gold dots.. we can't use the LE discount but we can still find the LE boxes cheaper at certain places and it's the same stuff 🤷🏻♂️
Those were some awesome results!. I'm a big believer in the Federal HST but these did great. They may not have had the most "impressive" numbers but those results were perfect. Good penetration, great expansion, really nothing left to be desired, and I would most certainly have no problem running these as my defensive carry ammo in 9mm or .45 🙂👍
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Appreciate that. 😎👊
That's exactly why I have these in my EDC 's . Fantastic test brother tools
Federal Punch is what I've been carrying in my 9mm, which has a four inch barrel. It's nice to see it do so well as it's one of the more affordable options in my area.
Nice!! I’ve been grabbing the punch for 9 and 45 here and there just to have a stack. I’ve tested the 9 and it did the same as your test but the 45 was a great surprise! Now I know I’m good if I throw it in the G30. Thanks for a great test good sir. 👍🇺🇸🇺🇸
Gotta love a good short barrel round.😎👊
That was great velocity from a 3.8" barrel. That is 2 great 45 rounds you have found for us this week alone. These will certainly perform out of the Commander. Might stagger the mag with the 185 Critical Defense and rock a little Van Halen with them -- The Best of Both Worlds 🎸
Thanks again, Tools 👍🇺🇸
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G2 tests. The Telos ammo.
Both looked good to me. I'd bet a shiny nickle that it's soft lead. I have Punch in .38. I don't think that it would fail in a 2.5'' or a 4'' barrel that I have them in.
Another money saver video.
Thanks Tool Guy.
Thank you sir. Just realized there are a few more I need to try out too.
Great video!! You converted me from hornady to sig 9mm v-crown, but this stuff looks as good maybe better .
Thank you sir!😎👊
Great test thanks for sharing!
You're right, the lead in those **does** look different. It's entirely possible it's alloyed differently from most bullet lead.
Love these both and easy to find never had a problem
Thanks jelly man!
Appreciate ya!😎👊
The HST is going to be hard to beat, but that Punch has turned out to be pretty good too. I just bought that same punch load in 45 acp a couple of weeks ago myself. Got some in 40 s&w too. I trsted some in 38 special from my snubbie in wetpack and they done ok too. Would be interesting to see this 230 grain 45 acp bullet loaded into the 45 long Colt version.
Federal does it right again
Another great video and performance test. It seems Federal has another hit, and if I ever see a few of the Punch projectiles on the various demilled ammo reloading sites, I may have to grab some.
Federal Punch is some good stuff for sure, never thought about them for the .45 but I'm gonna now just for the heavier weight bullet.
Federal line of Punch never runs bad. These all did very good considering coming out of shorter barrels. Great test, and thanks for it!
Appreciate ya, brother!😎👊
I love federal punch! I shoot the .40 S&W from a G23, .45 Auto from a G30, 22lr from a S&W 22C, and 9mm from a S&W Shield Plus. Performance is so consistant every time. I can't lie, I love HST's in my 9mm but the Punch is a damn close second. Thanks for all the testing. Love this channel, i tell everyone i know about jelly man!
Thank you sir. Really appreciate that!😎👊
The lead is a different color seeing from other testing. Both did a pretty good job.
100% on metal density awesome test
Do you have a cumulative list somewhere of recommendations of ammo for each caliber?
I think you're right that the lead mix is different. I don't have any in 45acp but other calibers look duller. Is Aluma-lead banned in CA.? 😂It looked good in both calibers but that 45acp will put a drain hole in something for sure. Appreciate you & hope pup is getting better. 🐶👍🙏
Looks good to go ! Rk usually has a good supply in various calibers at decent price , i have some in 40. Thanks