Hell Anxiety | Overcoming the Fear of Eternal Torment
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 27 ก.ย. 2024
- In this episode, we explore hell anxiety and ask ourselves three important questions to help spark the deconstruction of the indoctrinated belief in hell;
1. Is this fear rational?
2. Is hell a just punishment for sin?
3. What do we believe about god?
Please keep in mind that all everything I say here is my subjective opinion, and is intended to deconstruct fundamentalist/evangelical/conservative Christian ideologies from an ex christian perspective
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My wife who was never a serious believer still struggled with the idea of hell for years. Its not only in the religions its in the culture
The struggle of what happens when we die is something that most people feel the need to resolve in some fashion. Personally, I never understood why. It seems perfectly satisfactory to me that we just die and cease to exist in any meaningful way.
It's a HUGE choice. You don't even care to see how clear the bible made things clear. By freedom of choice, certain events required a redeemer. By that freedom of choice, a redeemer fulfilled the requirements for the gift of salvation to all. Satan lost so all that is left is for him to deceive. You're happy with being deceived and passing up salvation offered in Romans 10:9. You will not have an eternal burning, you will though have to pay the price for your sins since you chose not to be saved by them. Once that is done, you will no longer exist, not even in memory. All by your choice.
@@2fast2block That's fine. That's what I think is going to happen anyway. I'd rather not spend eternity with a psychopathic narcissistic tyrant, or be tortured forever for not believing ridiculous nonsense. I'd rather just die and stay dead.
@@2fast2block the bible is awful front to back and what isn't horribly violent is such nonsense most insane people would say that's cra cra. My choice not to bang my head against a wall till the bible makes sense is a good choice
Jesus said (“Most assuredly, I say to you, he who hears My word and believes in Him who sent Me has everlasting life, and shall not come into judgment, but has passed from death into life.
John 5:24 NKJV)
Hell is the second death, where people who chose to be unholy go. They can't be with God because he is holy. God is long-suffering not willing that any should perish but that all should come to repentance.
"Religious Trauma Syndrome" is a real thing. Rejecting one's religious indoctrination is difficult. Following your own mind and heart in opposing belief/believers requires great courage in the face of fear.
She can't even make it past creation. The 1st and 2nd laws of thermodynamics show creation couldn't happen on its own, it had to be supernatural and at some point.
So Hell is probably the main reason I still "believe" and go to church (well, other than I like the music and also makes me think for an hour a week about being a better person). I am with Pascal who basically said, worth it to just be a believer just in case you are wrong and hell really does exist. A giant insurance policy. Which probably won't save me from hell anyway...sigh. There is an atheist channel where he analyzed hell in 5 different major religions and asked what would get him sent there. Turns out Jewish hell is the best, it's only 1 year long and it's mainly to improve you so you're a better person/soul at the end...I feel it's time for a conversion...
@@erbiumfiber you're right, just 'believing' as an insurance policy won't do you much good. If you don't believe in your heart, as it says in Romans 10:9, but just act as if you do 'just in case,' I doubt it's doing you much good. "Hell" is actually the lake of fire. It's not eternal. It's the punishment for sins unbelievers will be thrown into and once their punishment for them is done, they will no longer exist.
@@erbiumfiber I don't think there is a literal hell. Most references like that in middle eastern writings refer to mental anguish, which can be hellish enough. 😱
“Hell is not a place, no, but a state of the soul. That begins here on earth. Just so paradise dwells in the heart of man. It is in this life, in this earthly form, that we may first touch the Divine.”
- St. John Maximovich
I remember being a kid, sobbing at night because I was terrified of hell, but also afraid to be baptized because there was no way I could live up to the expectations. Later in my life, my dad also left the “One true church” and the fear is hell, the “ What if I’m wrong?” came up a lot. It was good to have him to talk to.
@mcr9822 I think you missed the point of being baptized and what salvation means, it’s not saying I’ll never sin again or making a commitment to perfection if that’s how it was told to you then im sorry, it’s a public profession of faith to be baptized and your sins are forgiven by the power of Jesus as soon as you ask, the reason Jesus died was because you couldn’t keep the law nor can anybody else at least to the standard God has. You needed only repent the work Jesus started begins when you repent and finishes when your before him only then are you made perfect, if you truly believe then you will sin less than before and as you continue your walk you would become more holy and there would still be times of bountiful fruit and times of lil to none but you would still be saved because of your faith in Jesus would credited to you as righteousness
this is the sickest thing religion has done, psychologically traumatizing children. Detestable. I'm glad you and your father are finding ways to recover.
It is understandable and that is what a lot of people think of Hell. They think it is a terrible place to spend eternity suffering in a way that is worse than death. I wonder how many children had nightmares about it and needed therapy to get that wickedness out of their heads.
Hell was not originally prepared for man. It was prepared for Satan and his angels (Matt 25:41). Jude 6 states that fallen angels are placed in chains awaiting judgment. Yet, when men and women join the devil in his work and live in servitude to him, they must suffer the same fate that will befall Satan. If a person ends up in hell, he is lost by his own free choice, not God's arbitrary decision. Such a person has no one to blame but himself. Many see no need to be interested in spiritual things and are indifferent to the pleas of the gospel. Others refuse to obey the gospel or submit to the will of God. Some refuse to believe. Others just love sin more than righteousness. Some, though once obedient, have become unfaithful in service. Many put off obeying until it is too late.
Hell is real. The suffering of it is waiting for the sinful. You can escape the torments found there by giving obedience to Christ now. He will wash away the guilt of your sins and grant you hope of a life of eternal bliss in His presence. All you need to do is humble your heart, ask for forgiveness, and trust in Him, and You dont have to go to hell. Its easy, its free, and its worth it! Why take any chances? The Gospel is good news, why would you be against it? God sent Jesus to save us because God loves each one of us (see John 3:16-17). Jesus prayed for His followers, including us, to be protected from evil and to be one with Him and Heavenly Father. This life is short. Its temporary. You never know when your time is up. Its not about religion, or going to church. Its just between you and God. One on one relationship, through the Holy Spirit, who is given to you upon salvation. The Holy Spirit is the difference. You wont regret it, and you will peace in your heart, and mind, knowing you have assurance of where you will go once your time is up. So please think about it. Its never too late until your life is over, then there is no turning back. So today is the day for salvation. Dont wait! Be blessed!!
@@wanderer44-xr5si All BS. The name came from the Goddess Hel and her domain. It's not even in the original manuscripts. Hades was what they used along with other Greek mythological terms because Christianity is just Pagan Judaism. Of course, even Judaism is pagan in origin. Please stop telling people to follow your BS religion that is newer than all the other religions that came before Judaism and many others. Thanks.
I grew up with super-fundamentalist parents. I was indoctrinated with literal hell at an extremely young age. When I was 3, they took me to a “realistic” dramatized movie about hell on a big screen. I was genuinely moritfied by that experience. Throughout my childhood, I said the “Sinner’s Prayer” probably hundreds of times privately because when I would inevitably sin, I felt so guilty and scared of hell that I had to do it again…and again…and again. Years ago, I stopped believing and my life has improved greatly. But I still have anxiety and depression and I’m convinced it’s attributable to my toxic childhood existence.
The repetitive “sinners prayer” was incredibly relatable. I have a lot of moments In my life where I think I might die like getting shot on the street and instantly try to “repent” or pour my heart out. I have no idea what to say or what is true to me anymore so I spend countless hours trying to find My truth. It’s a very ocd cycle and I wish for my heart to be filled with love and not fear.
Since young, I never had any fear of hell! Thinking that, since I'm already a Christian, I'd sure end up in heaven!
@@sootuckchoong7077that was me till I was told that I could be a lukewarm Christian 😭
For fundamentalist Christians the only truth is their interpretation of what they believe to be the inherent word of God, the Bible. Anything outside of that is "of the devil"
If you have to feel afraid of YOUR god torturing you for eternity, how could you possibly love or respect that god at all?
That’s exactly the point i came to in thought.
It’s really nothing but blackmail and Stockholm’s syndrome.
Its better and much more luckier for those wombs who are not able to be born. They won't end in hell and suffer forever and ever.
@@sootuckchoong7077 that's not even a good thing. Your "God" BTW is the beast.
They teach you about the carrot before they take out the stick.
God doesn't torture you its Satan and his angels when you are cast in hell you are separated from God because the actions and decisions you made here on earth. This lady is a liar and is trying to dissuade people from believing in God. Their souls are on her hands because what "ex Christian" would post something like this??? The bible says "The fear of God is the beginning of wisdom" Her videos are very insulting
I think that realizing that I believed more in Hell than in God was one of the final knots to untie with it all.
"hell more than god" LOL sounds about right
Now all he knots are untied, start again beginning with John 3:16-17
@@ChrisSmith-xh9wb Even through it all I never labeled myself an Atheist (I'm thankful for Atheism) but I'm always open to learning, every honest opinion is worth my time :)
@@ChrisSmith-xh9wb "start again beginning with john 3: bla bla bla"
Great advice but before that prove one little thing,., Just one.
Prove the supernatural events claimed in the old and New books are real and not fables.
It is a simple little task or it sould be if the Christian faith is real.
SO prove the follow SUPERNATURAL EVENTS from the Old book:
the talking shake - ass in Numbers and the talking burning bush
Samson's magic hair
Noah's zoo ship was real
Abraham was real (you remember him - the g-rapist and child abuser)
Moses was real not even talking about the Parting of the Red Sea or the Snake tricks
David killed a Giant with a rock
The Earth is suspended on 4 post
the Earth is covered with a Firmament (dome) and the Stars and Sun and moon are in the dome.
you can take an Uber ride in a whales belly
Elijah took an Uber ride to Heaven without dying.
Lot's wife turned to Salt. (not it even get into the b/s about Sodom and Gomorrah)
You can blow a horn and the walls of a city will fall. (that is one hell of a blow job)
also prove the following supernatural event
the unf**ked birth if Jesus (JC) which is ALSO known at the grape of a 13 year old child named Mary
JC jumping out of the grave after 3 or 4 days (zombie jesus)
the Earth stood still and was dark when JC died (yeah prove that b.s)
dead walked the Earth when he died (MORE Zombies)
JC healed the sick with his magic fingers
JC raised the dead ( again even more ZOMBIES)
JC and his 12 gay buddies walked on water - - prove it
JC turned water into wide (I want to know that trick)
JC had lunch on a mountain with the devil
JC put evil spirits into pigs (yeah sure)
When john the baptist waterboarded JC prove God spoke from this sky kingtom d
JC spoke to a crowd in several languages at once (talking out of both sides of his mouth)
Taking burning bush and Paul
Pauls snake bite he brushed off.
PROVE the Supernatural events are real or accept it being called buiishlt for it is. Or prove they are real
Pray real hard and ask JC to help you prove them so you can be the very first Christian to actually prove anything supernatural happened in the bible prove it
Before you make stupid statements to someone realiing the truth prove the B.S you want them to return to is real. Prove the Supernatural events, Pray real hard for guidance.
Wow. I can see how that would happen. And good on you for realizing that.
I have told people my main goal in life is to be completely free of this fear by the time I'm on my death bed. Excited to listen to this now!
Thank you for that.. One way of thinking about is asking where you were before you were born. The answer to that is the same as the answer to "where will I be after I die?".
Repent while you still have time!!!!
Same honestly
Thats a delusional goal 😂😂 and a heartless one
@@vadouis-rt3of and you are delusional or dum by choice or I said words you didn't like so you automatically deny what I say cuase you can't think?
This fear has kept me paralyzed since I left a cult I was born into at 17, unable to live my life or make any kind of decision, just lock myself up in my room, terrified. I feel somewhat better now. Thank you for this.
Faith over fear of hell. God is love! He doesn’t save us to lose us❣️
Dude it's so painful
Sadly, the most dangerous thing about Hell is traumatizing children with the fear of it
Indeed, I regard it as child abuse. 😡
How about babies not born yet. They will never ever be in Hell.
Good news is God does not want anyone there, and he would not send an infant for example too Hell who is not at a level of awareness and accountability for our sinful nature, and need for a Savior.
I'm gonna use this... lol
@@vampirehunter533 Babies of the future who are never born yet are the very extremely lucky ones who will never be in Hell, tormenting forever and ever, even if the parents are actually Muslims, Buddhists, etc.
I find it comforting to come here and know that i am not alone in my experiences of leaving the faith.
@christinawoodard6252 Absolutely. A terrible reason to do anything. It had a profound effect on me though. By the time I left I was convinced I was a terrible person and a terrible human being. It's been over 2 years now and on occasions I still think to myself ' wonder if I now feel like this because the spirits which left me have now come back and made me worse' or 'I wonder if i dont feel compelled to do things because God now sees me as an illigitimate child and is leaving me to do what i want'. It may take a while to think like a normal person.
@christinawoodard6252there is a whole lot that has been said on this subject, look it up. The subject is called the pascals wager. This idea of doing something, ie being a christian, because it is not that bad compared to the consequence of being wrong, ie going to hell. Generally speaking, the pascals wager is considered a logical fallacy. Secular people use the same trick to manipulate people as well. Taking the shot from a well established criminal, ie pfizer, is not that bad compared to being wrong and infecting/killing your whole family. Fear is a weapon used against you. If you are unable to control your fear, it will control you and others will control you.
There is a thin line between bravery and stupidity, but it is less of a problem if you do something stupid sometimes, then if you never do anything because of fear. That is why those that are trying to control you always try to make the alternative to believing them seem horrible. Like you will burn forever if you do not do what i say or you will kill your family if you do not obey me. F all of them! ✊🏻
Hell is real, and you dont want to go there. Only Jesus provides the way to be right with God and to be assured of going to Heaven. Hell was not originally prepared for man. It was prepared for Satan and his angels (Matt 25:41). Jude 6 states that fallen angels are placed in chains awaiting judgment. Yet, when men and women join the devil in his work and live in servitude to him, they must suffer the same fate that will befall Satan. If a person ends up in hell, he is lost by his own free choice, not God's arbitrary decision. Such a person has no one to blame but himself. Many see no need to be interested in spiritual things and are indifferent to the pleas of the gospel. Others refuse to obey the gospel or submit to the will of God. Some refuse to believe. Others just love sin more than righteousness. Some, though once obedient, have become unfaithful in service. Many put off obeying until it is too late.
Hell is real. The suffering of it is waiting for the sinful. You can escape the torments found there by giving obedience to Christ now. He will wash away the guilt of your sins and grant you hope of a life of eternal bliss in His presence. All you need to do is humble your heart, ask for forgiveness, and trust in Him, and You dont have to go to hell. Its easy, and its worth it! Its a relationship with Jesus through his Holy Spirit, not a religion. Has nothing to do with church. Its between you and God. Religion will only disappoint. All you need to do is repent, which means to turn from sin, and trust in Jesus, by asking Him to take control, and live for Him. Its easy. And when you do that, He sends His Holy Spirit to come live on the inside of you, and transforms your heart and mind. The Holy Spirit is the Key and the difference between religion, and a relationship. It changed my life for the better. The Holy Spirit is Gods seal of salvation, and your evidence you have been truly changed, and are going to heaven. All its takes is faith. You have nothing to lose, and everything to gain. Trust me, hell is very real, and you do not want to end up there and realize you were wrong, and its too late. Look around you, Jesus is real. You may try and convince yourself hell is not real, but deep inside, your heart tells you the truth. Jesus loves you, and wants to give you eternal life in heaven. We are only here on earth for a short time, but eternity is forever. Please re-think about it, and give Jesus a chance. Humble your heart before its too late. We are not guaranteed another day. All you need to do is simply, humble your heart and pray with faith, I repent of my sins, and I turn to You. You said in Your word that if we confess with our mouth the Lord Jesus,, and believe in our hearts that God raised Him from the dead, we shall be saved. I ask You Father to forgive me of all my sins, and ask You to fill me with the Holy Spirit, and take control of my life. it with peace and joy like you never had before, as well as eternal assurance in heaven when your time is up. God bless
So true. I’m surrounded by people in fear and they don’t realize what fear mongers they have become themselves
are you 100% certain of that? I dont think so. Nobody can be 100% certain. But if you are wrong, its gonna be too late once your time is up. Are you willing to take that chance? eternity is a long time to be wrong. There is still time to ask Jesus into your life. He cares for you, and does not wish for you to leave this world without Him. Not trying to create fear in you, just letting you know you dont even have to worry about it at all if you just put your trust in Jesus. He cares for you, and wants to give you eternal life in heaven. Its a great message. He did it for me. He completely changed my life, and I know He will do the same for you. Believe me, its worth it. All you need to do is simply, humble your heart and pray with faith, I repent of my sins, and I turn to You. You said in Your word that if we confess with our mouth the Lord Jesus,, and believe in our hearts that God raised Him from the dead, we shall be saved. I ask You Father to forgive me of all my sins, and ask You to fill me with the Holy Spirit, and take control of my life. Its not about the words, its about your heart, because God knows your heart, and your true intentions. So if you truly want to live for the Lord and have assurance of salvation, then He will respond, and create in you a new heart and love for Him. I left a quick video to guide you if necessary. Will pray you have a change of heart, and put your trust in Jesus 100%, because He cares for you, and He has a special purpose for you. Draw near to God, and He will draw near to you. Will pray for you. Be blessed. th-cam.com/video/qYFWsIvvZdc/w-d-xo.htmlsi=YB4uPKrZaIRbKobv
If you can keep a mass of people both Ignorant and Afraid, you can rule them for the rest of their lives.
Yes, I really was hungry for God and gave it my best shot. Several years ago I was kicked out of a church, and upon reflection of this incident, I theorize that it may have been because I kept asking some very hard questions regarding the bible. Nowadays, I can honestly say that I'm almost an atheist. Strangely, it seems more liberating and life is much more precious now.
That's not strange, it's actually quite logic.
Believers can't wait to die and get to the supposedly better afterlife, therefore they do not consider life precious.
Atheists have nothing to die for, for them life is the most precious thing imaginable.
You left a controlling system and religion of man. God didn't kick you out..man did.
You were freed from that system because you sought the truth..and that truth set you free.
@@thomasg627 Believers can wait to die. Trust me. Life is very short.
@@theboombody Christopher Hitchens once pointed out the enormous effort the Jews are putting into accumulating ever more land around Israel, because they believe if they gather ALL the Jews there, that's when judgement day and the end of the world comes. Of course only the radicals are behind this, but unfortunately those are in the government and if they had time to wait, they wouldn't rush things and kill as many Palestinians as they do.
Totally agree about how precious life feels after leaving Christian belief behind
Even after deconstructing, I ask myself 'what if I'm wrong' often. Your content has been a great help and really helped my anxiety. Thank you so much!
That is the same thing I have an issue with.
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I know what you mean this life is only temporary eternity is for ever does anybody have 100 percent proof god is not real
@@dr.c9461 Do you ever wonder whether you are wrong about Yamaloka? Or about Helheimr? How about Hades?
I never once thought about being wrong about any of those just the way I never thought about being wrong about christian hell.
@@joshconner79 That's just an abriged version of Pascal's Wager. What if Shiva was the correct god and believing in the christian god enrages him? Suddenly your "eternity" gets a whole lot bloodier.
The thing is: We can't possibly know any of that. And if there is a god, it knows that perfectly well. From here there are a few options. This god could reward/punish us based on our merits. So living a good, honest life should suffice. It could also torture us forever for not being born into the correct religion. Which would make that god an immoral monster not worthy of worship.
Or literally anything inbetween. All this is guesswork and our current best understanding of the matter is that we simply cease to exist after death.
I remember as a child back in the 60's sitting with my mom and grandfather (her father-in-law) on our front porch and they were talking about religion. My mom asked him what he thought about hell and he said that he didn't think about it. He said that if god created a worse place for a black man after he died than America he'd rather be there than spending eternity with the thing that created either. That comment and many others like it from the only man on earth that I admired more than my dad started making me question both the concept of hell and the ethics of a god that would create one. That made an easy path to atheism at a very young age.
Gigachad Grandpa.
Then be an atheist with NO evidence to support you. 1LofT states that energy can't be created or destroyed, it can't happen naturally. One aspect of the 2LofT shows that the universe is winding down, usable energy is becoming less usable. Creation had to be done supernaturally at some point.
This is deep
@@haitianqueen4218 she's anything but deep. 1LofT states that energy can't be created or destroyed, it can't happen naturally. One aspect of the 2LofT shows that the universe is winding down, usable energy is becoming less usable. Creation had to be done supernaturally at some point.
He sounds like my Grandpa who died recently. He said he didn't want to go to church and have people judge him.he said Christians were hypocrites.
This has to be the single most helpful thing I've heard in my journey to heal from this fear. Thank you.
Teaching kids about hell is child abuse. You are doing great work!💐
Teaching children the truth isn’t abusive. Hell is real and teaching your children about it to make them understand what happens when we sin against God and turn our backs on him is not abusive.
What do you think Hell is?
@@juliabriggs1141ok prove that hell exists....you can't.
Well, evil definitely has consequences in this world. Most drug dealers don't live long, full lives. That right there is something good for kids to know for sure.
@@theboombody that's a good point but drug dealing is usually a consequence of something that came before...it's good to teach kids worldly consequences such as dealing drugs usually equals prison plus the affects it has on others lives. But it has nothing to do with teaching them hell.
It is morally abominable to expose children into these irrational beliefs before their brains are developed enough to rationally evaluate them for themselves.
Completely agree. Hell doctrine is mental, emotional and spiritual abuse.
This video would make Ray Comfort cringe x100. Lol
Would you teach a child to avoid prison before their brain isn't developed enough to rationally evaluate it for themselves? Is that morally abominable? Fact is the child is going to face a lot of evil in this world. Is teaching them the dangers of drugs morally abominable? How about avoiding strangers? Should we not tell them about the dangers of getting in a car or van with strangers because it might scare them? How about adults touching them inappropriately? Is it morally abominable to warn them about that?
In your opinion, hell is an irrational belief. Fine, don't teach your children about it. But if a parent believes it's real, do they not have a moral obligation to teach their kids about it?
Penn from Penn and Teller is an atheist. He tells the story about how someone witnessed to him about hell. Here's a quote from Penn
"If you believe that there is a heaven and hell and people could be going to hell- and you think that, well, it's not really worth telling them because it would make things socially awkward ... How much do you have to hate somebody to not proselytize? How much do you have to hate somebody to believe that eternal life is a possibility, and not tell them that?"
Penn Jillette
?? have you not been following. Prove that what you say is true "Jesus and the bible are truth" . What is 'truth'? I hope Kristi will help you to escape your indoctrination. Keep on watching her videos. She is a good, honest person.@@OragansDAristilde_TheChristian
I didn't know who this Ray Comfort is. I have now checked him out and I so agree with you!!@@cherylwilliams4738
Me too the fear of hell is terrible because this is how we were raised as children.
People are taught about hell in religion class or Sunday school.very true. Fear is a powerful motivator. Hard to shake off because of lingering doubt
@@johngriebel5509 I agree John, the stick part of this is awful for people to wake up from. Most never think about the carrot.
Eternally worshiping the same deity forever. Yuk I am not a fan of that either.
@@alicedeen720 The carrot seems more like : take my abuse, then I'll give you a really nice present.
@@sundayoliver3147 The idea of believing what other people told you was true, while you were too young to think for yourself, about this old book 'or else' is truly messed up.
Especially if the 'or else' part is eternally burning through no fault of your own. This is hideous from an alleged 'all-loving', invisible, and totally silent dictator.
I say "through no fault of your own" because a person cannot just start to believe a claim without first being convinced of that claim.
You either need to be too young to know any better or convinced with some good evidence to take on and believe any old claim people simply 'assert' to be true.
It really is messed up nonsense from the men that scribed these documents 2K+ years ago while trying to control others through their messed up misogynistic thinking.
There is no good evidence for any god(s) in any 'so-called' holy books.
The best the believers have is,
'This book is true because that book says it is true.
Alice
It’s the concept of sin that is so emotionally and psychologically damaging for me. I hate what fear does to people..,Thank you for this.
The idea of some actions being bad is damaging?
@@andrewwilson9183 The idea of burning eternally just because you have done bad stuff when you were alive and that you will never be able to repent in hell for some shitty reason is
Hell is only a fear mongering tactic it is what the christian church to keep people trapped in their cult you are an open minded woman always find your videos interesting
I agree! And thank you
@@jezebelvibesNo : thank you!!!!❤
@@jezebelvibes I stay the hell out of churches and you are just adding to the deception. The bible made things clear. By freedom of choice, certain events required a redeemer. A redeemer fulfilled the requirements for the gift of salvation to all. Satan lost so all that is left is for him to deceive. You're happy with being deceived and passing up salvation offered in Romans 10:9. You will not have an eternal burning, but pay the price for your sins since you chose not to be saved by them. Once that is done, you will no longer exist, not even in memory. All by your choice.
@@jezebelvibesdo you have an email?
@@MikeRivera-hp1hjLeave her alone. She's married.
Yes. You pointed out why people need not worry. I often wonder if those preachers who focus on hell are not actually people who love pulling wings off flies in their spare time.
Most of those preachers are nothing more than misanthropes in nice business suits. John MacArthur comes to mind.
Shocker! Some "Men of God" are hypocrites. Is that your point?
Well. After the World Economic Forum have changed the world economy. If you are asked to have some kind of mark, like on the hand or forehead, don't do it!!!
@@timmyholland8510
I can remember about 50 years ago when plastic cards were being introduced for such things as banking and shopping. Religious fundamentalists and conservatives were advising the rest of the world to steer clear of them because they were associated with Satan's mark of the best. I can remember a decade or so later when people were pointing to the birthmark on Mikhail Gorbachev's head and saying "Look, the anti-Christ".
People have been seeing the Mark of the Beast and the anti_Christ for millennia.
@@Lerian_V
Hypocrisy is not my point. Rather it's that if a preacher is something of a sadist by nature then with the concept of hell, he has a great tool for psychologically hurting people.
I love it that you encourage people to do their own research. I do too as a Lutheran pastor
some help with your research, past0r:
"To lie in a case of necessity or for convenience or in excuse - such lying would not be against God; He was ready to take such lies on Himself"
- Luther (who somehow "knew" the sex/gender of the g0d)
by the way, how does the math work here? Do you expect more or less donation when you lie to children? I mean, yes, they are easier to manipulate into Middle Eastern magic, but they are often so noisy.
@@istvansipos9940 God refers to Himself as a male. I agree that lying in self defense is not a sin, neither is killing someone in self defense. As far as donations go, I have nothing to do with them, as no pastor should. We pastors should only be focused on spiritual things, not money, which distracts from spirituality.
@@larryhoyt143 "God refers to Himself as a male."
God doesn't do anything. The backwards primitives who wrote the bible and thought women were property created a male god in their image because that was part of their culture. That's why this god is constantly angry, jealous, wrothful, genocidal and sexist.
@@larryhoyt143 GOD doesnt ID as male. He uses the male pronoun but GOD never affirms to have a gender.... oh my gooness! another deluded pastor
@@istvansipos9940 you assume lie to children ... hell is a warning and not a threat and yall lie to the children 24/7 because satan wants yall in hell with those children too
I believe hell anxiety is a symbol of divine justice and moral accountability in which it serves as a warning and rememberance of the importance of leading a good and righteous life for all humanity and other beings regardless of age race and gender 🗿
1 Corinthians 13:11 “When I was a child, I spake as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child: but when I became a man, I put away childish things.”
One of the things the bible got right!
well quoted!!
@@mauricemenard2243 I do not understand what you are trying to say. "Every day you make sacrifice to your god meaning yourself..." I do not know about anyone else, but I do not think of myself, or any other, as a god.
As far as killing things to stay alive, if believers are correct, it is some deity that created a world where living things must die so that another living thing can live. I certainly would not have made a world like that!
@familyportsmouth God created a perfect world, he gave us free will and provided options to exercise our free will, we chose at pretty much at every turn throughout the Bible to reject God the same as your doing now.
He gives you logic to know he exist, don’t believe me ?
When’s the last time you saw a house erect itself ? You could have all the materials perfectly arranged and ready and unless somebody picks up a hammer it ain’t being built, you wouldn’t argue that but as soon as it becomes a discussion of a complicated universe that dwarfs our greatest endeavors lol suddenly everything can put itself together ? Do yourself a favor repent to God and thank him for the air in your lungs and the universe he created and have allowed you to inhabit
@@aaronstanley474 I am sure that I answered this before, but it is not showing up.
"When’s the last time you saw a house erect itself ? "
When is the last time you saw god?
@familyportsmouth I haven’t seen him but I also haven’t seen many things with my own eyes, surely your beliefs don’t hinge on what I’ve seen ? I’m flattered truly that you put me in such an authoritative role in your life, but I think your own brain and logic would serve you better, you haven’t seen anything build itself without a catalyst.
I absolutely love listening to you. I have never been involved in religion, but always believed in God and reasoned exactly what you've said. Why would God make me ME and then turn his back on me for being me. To much "love one another" and then "but not them..." people claim to live 'Christ-like' while condemning everyone. Keep these messages coming 😊
Your airwaves is saturated with modern/Protestant version of Christianity. If you want to understand authentic Christian beliefs, look into traditional Christianity.
God has not turned his back on you. Jesus died on the cross for you, and offers you the same forgiveness from son he offers everyone else.
@@ChrisSmith-xh9wb Hi. Are you thinking you sound smart or something when you say that❓
Ok, PREACHER guy, see if you can handle this question...... What happens if a person DOES NOT go along with 'forgiveness' as you said ⁉️ 🤔😨
HINT:::::: It seems to be the main subject matter of this video‼️😬
@@Lerian_V Yeah sure b/s is still b/s
@@Cuffsmaster I agree, b/s is still b/s.
One of the ways I as a former Christian and now atheist got over the fear of Hell was learning about its origins. Hell, specifically hell-fire, is based on the outdated idea of geocentrism (as opposed to the heliocentrism of Copernicus). Geocentrism says the earth is at the center of the universe and that the sun revolved around the earth, where at sunset the sun would descend into the underworld, travel through the underworld, get to the other side of the underworld where it would rise the next morning, then travel throughout the sky, and then have another sunset where the process repeated itself. When the sun was in the underworld (i.e. Hell), the heat from the sun set the underworld on fire, hence the idea of hellfire and torture. We now know that geocentrism is incorrect, which means that hellfire is incorrect. The second thing that got me was realising that hellfire was based on volcanoes. Also, when you look at Greek mythology and how the Gospels were written in Greek, you realise that the Christian idea of Hell was influenced by Tartarus, which was the torture pit in the underworld in Greek mythology/religion. Also in Greek religion, Elysium was similar to Heaven, and the Asphodel Meadows was similar to the Catholic idea of Purgatory. As for Satan or the Devil, Satan originally appears in the book of Job, which has parallels in the Babylonian myth called Ludlul bel nemeqi", which is about the nobleman Shubshi-meshre-Shakkan and the supreme Babylonian god Marduk. When the Jews lived in the Achaemenid Persian empire, they came into contact with the Zoroastrian idea of Angra Mainyu, an evil figure in that religion. They also came into contact with the Persian idea of daevas, which were demons from Persian mythology, which is where the word "Devil" comes from. The Persian daevas are related to the Hindu Devas, which were basically gods. After Alexander the Great conquered the Persian empire in the 330s bc, the Jews came into contact with the Greek underworld god Hades and the Greek half goat/half man god Pan, which is where we get the idea of Satan as a goat figure. The Devil's pitchfork comes from the Greek god Hades' bident, a two pronged weapon similar to the Trident/fishing spear weapon of the Greek sea god Poseidon, who was a brother of Hades. Poseidon and Hades formed a trinity with the supreme Greek god Zeus, whose weapon was a thunderbolt. The Roman god of the underworld was Pluto, who was also a god of wealth, which is probably the origin of the idea of "if you make a deal with the Devil, he can make you rich". This is not surprising because valuable precious stones and metals come from beneath the earth. This is also related to mines and mining.
Thank you! I love context, and a lot of this I didn't know about. To me, context reveals truth. It doesn't TELL you what the truth is: it just reveals it.
You have to deconstruct before you can reconstruct. Brilliantly said by you, thank you.
That be-leavers have to struggle with this after walking away is a testament to how abusive and traumatizing that "teaching" is.
Jesus came bearing good news and said the kingdom of HEAVEN is at hand . Believe it and get off the subject of hell . It’s a non starter
@@RocketKirchner "Good news! You're going to Hell!"
-Jesus "Christ" Bar Joseph
@@RocketKirchner No sale.
Also, let me be the first to tell you what you seem to have never figured out on your own:
Everyone you have ever told about Jesus' "good news" absolutely hates you because of it.
Online, I personally try to just view your lot as formerly human zombies who had the misfortune to be infected with the disease that makes you really stupid and really repetitive! I just can't even imagine how angry I would be at my parents if they had spread this contagion to me like yours had done to you, saddling you with this burden that had wasted so many hours & years of this existence, the only life you will ever have, already mostly over, with the curse that makes you always act stupid while serving no purpose except repeating the same lame attempts that have failed 1000s of times before, one more futile attempt to spread your bullshit problem onto your much superior fellow humans, who definitely absolutely fucking hate you, you waste of oxygen.
But that only works online, in person I must caution you to never evangelize to me, because I find it touches a nerve that makes me unable to control my emotions.
It’s not abusive. Hell is just.
Teaching children that 'condemnation shall come because some prefer darkness rather than light, because their deeds are evil' is abusive?
I love this, very relatable. I have had these nagging fears ever since I left the religion. But I'm simply not interested in living in irrational fear.
Although I believed in hell before I deconstructed, by the time I was finished deconstructing I was so convinced that God was a moral monster that I no longer cared whether I was wrong or not. I simply hated God, was repulsed by him, and didn't care if I ended up in hell (although I should add that I had not the slightest doubt that hell didn't exist).
Btw, it's the middle of the night here in Perth, Australia 🇦🇺 and we continue to experience the coldest winter this century. ❄️
I keep telling people who try to Pascal's Wager me that if there actually were a Bible god, I'd consider it a moral obligation to fight it. As presented it is an enemy to humanity and should be overthrown or destroyed for its heinous acts.
Pascals wager applies to other religions as well. If the atheist and the Christian are both wrong, the Muslim might be right. If the Christian is Trinitarian or believes Jesus is God, they're very likely going to hell in islamic theology. Ironically, if the atheist has the slightest belief in that single God, they might eventually go to heaven. Pascals wager is a moot point.
Who owns the earth? Lets go to OT Hebrew scripture and find out:
Psalm 24:1 A Psalm of David. The earth is the LORD'S (YHWH), and all it contains, The world, and those who dwell in it.
Who offered the kingdoms of the earth to Jesus? Lets look at Christian NT scripture to find out:
Matthew 4:8 “Again, the devil took him to a very high mountain and showed him all the kingdoms of the world and their splendor. 9 “All this I will give you,” he said, “if you will bow down and worship me"
Who is the god of this world? Lets look in NT scripture - from the self proclaimed apostle Paul:
2 Corinthians 4:4 Satan, who is the god of this world ....
@@clubdesalud1488 Yahweh was originally a war god in the Canaanite pantheon of about 80 gods. The Israelites made him One and Only god, but the warlike, vindictive, possessive nature didn't change. I think maybe 1/80 of my consciousness is all I want to give to the war god.
@@sundayoliver3147 this topic is fascinating to me! Thanks for your reply. We got history and some of it is good and some of it is corrupted. After growing up in a low key Christian denomination and diving into the Bible believing it to be "The Word of God" but struggling with it mainly because of Hell and the inconsistencies to avoid Hell its extremely rewarding shedding the indoctrination! There are truths in that book and one of them being the Kingdom of Theos is inside each of us.
I still have some lingering fear that I’m wrong and will go to Hell considering that I was raised Christian and only de-converted about a year ago, but it was actually the idea of Hell that made me deconstruct in the first place. I not only questioned the idea that a God that is good/merciful would torture people for eternity, but I also realized that it’s the perfect manipulation tactic. I realized that the anti critical thinking and anti nuanced nature of many organized religious groups conflicted with my values. I still believe in a higher power, and have had my own spiritual journey though. Quitting religion allowed me to discover myself in so many ways, and address some relationships problems I’ve had with my father and self image/identity issues I’ve had since childhood. Overall I’ve become a better person, and those fears of Hell have been muffled to a major degree.
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Best wishes for your explorations, f.
if you are wrong, there is an ALL loving g0d. You know? The g0d so many humans just cannot stop ranting about. All loving entities never build torture chambers. I mean, you are not all loving. There are things you don't love, I bet. And you still haven't build a torture chamber. (I hope :- ))
Kristi nor anyone else can help you at your judgment. The bible made things clear. By freedom of choice, certain events required a redeemer. A redeemer fulfilled the requirements for the gift of salvation to all. Satan lost so all that is left is for him to deceive. You're happy with being deceived and passing up salvation offered in Romans 10:9. You will not have an eternal burning, but pay the price for your sins since you chose not to be saved by them. Once that is done, you will no longer exist, not even in memory. All by your choice.
@@2fast2blockuhhhh why doesn’t your god go ahead and lock Satan in hell TODAY if he “already lost”?????
For some reason your god ALLOWS Satan to continue to deceive people, and then punished them for being victims of deceit.
A smart all powerful god would just stop or get rid of the bad guy if he actually cared about the victims
Years ago a woman judged me and told me I was going to hell. My answer was, okay maybe you believe there are workshops at the north pole too. She stopped arguing with me. It takes just as much faith to believe in both.
It also takes faith to pursue doing and not believe . Since our brains are finite how can we be objective about anything ?
What about the workshops at the North pole?😯....they're still ok aren't they?...I've worked loooong and hard to get off of that Naughty List!😨
@@RocketKirchnerwith that attitude their would be no hard sciences...
@@brettrobinson2901 Maybe that's why science is changing all the time?
Kristi I have been struggling with these Christian issues most of my 77 yrs. I have given up on Christianity because to believe in it was causing me anguish and pain, not to mention confusion and frustration. You are not just another agnostic/atheist, you have a real passion for truth and a sense of reason and intellectual depth which is rare. You are in touch with the essence of living....to question, to learn. You have the special gift of being able to teach others difficult concepts. I really like your passion and your sense of genuineness. Keep up the good work. You are very special.
I am a Christian and never had any thought of hell and heaven ever. The thing which i feared most is this world itself. I had anxiety of this world only
Do you not believe in hell?
@@Picked_toez yes I do believe
I love the scripture you quote to prove your point. Something a Universalist Christian might say.
Something ‘universal Christians may say’ but apostolic Christians would object to. It’s a distortion of Scripture.
Kristi, your videos are inspiring and thought-provoking. Thanks for making us think critically.
Thanks so much for the kind words ☺️
@@jezebelvibes You are not kind in your deceiving. You also will have no excuse at your judgment as Romans 1:20 says. Play your silly game but it makes matters worse for you, not better.
@@2fast2block tell it like it is chosen one!
they are deception and not critical thinking she fears engaging me because i crush atheism 24/7
@@j919orYou are harassing people in violation of the TH-cam Terms of Service.
You have shown what a fragile coward you are with your threatening messages targeting people who are having a conversation that never invited your petty hatred.
I went to church each Sunday having been raised in Indiana. However, I never took to Christianity but Hell definitely sunk in. I devised a "prayer" of sorts that I would chant to calm me down.
"Dear God, please forgive everybody past, present, and future so no one goes to hell." Then I believe "god" granted my prayer. It is not just fear for oneself, but everyone else in your life. I would say I didn't really shake the fear of hell until I was 18 or so. Chanting or repeating something can be soothing.
As a person who’s never been coerced into any real degree of religious belief, this hasn’t ever been an issue for me.
Thank you for explaining this 😊
I was never religious or go to church on a regular basis but I do live in the bible belt and even though I never considered myself a Christian, I've had to deconstruct religion that simply imbedded into our lives here but yeah I never feared death. I can't imagine growing up like that
yep same here. I never understood how any sane person could believe any of that rubbish.
What she explained is her own version of Chrisitianity having little to do with any official teachings of the religion of Jesus Christ.
@@ianalan4367 because there are no "official teachings of the religion of Jesus Christ" because there are 3000 christian sects and they are all full of sht.
@@mauricemenard2243 get meds
It has to be done step by step. When I was leaving Religion, a guy named Carlton Pierson suffered for saying that he no longer believed in hell. That helped me early in my deconversion
It is easier to disregard hell if one looks at all these religious beliefs as legitimate human mythology. We no longer believe in Niflheim (Norse) or Hades or Mictlan (Aztec), which were once the accepted religious ideas of the times, but are now seriously studied as mythology, the same as one ought to study christianity.
Come Sunday is a good movie
When I was a teenager (I was a very good girl) a pastor told me I was not of God and kicked me out when I did nothing to no one. I was born again at the time and still was told that I was the spawn of the devil in all seriousness. There was no joking around. He meant what he said. And I knew he meant it. There was no question. Since then I have had this irrational fear of death and dying that sometimes prevents me from falling asleep at night. I am 51 yrs old now. Last summer I just couldn't wrap my newly educated mind around how an all knowing loving compassionate God would even think of sending his creation to a tortuous place for eternity. Human parents would never do that even if their kids were horrible monsters so how could a perfect God do it? For about a year now I've been trying to shed the doctrine of hell and to stop the fear that has become so much apart of my personality that it is a default setting. Long ago I had vowed to uproot fear in my life. This is the final battle. I will be keeping this video at my fingertips to watch every day if I have to. Thank you, Kristi.
Churches are messed up. Stay away from them. Still, you have no excuse for not finding out what hell truly meant. You whine about things but don't take action in getting answers. See the vid....What Does the Bible Say About Hell? (Part 1 of 2).....by Spirit and Truth
@@2fast2block You know what's messed up? Your reply. You don't say anything that isn't being preached in thousands of conservative and fundamentalist churches across America every Sunday.
One way to control people is to dehumanize them. I've been told that "of course I'm a demon" because I'm a Democrat. The funny thing is, that really hurt, so I had to excavate -- I finally realized, oh: the doctrine of original sin. I don't believe it intellectually but in both secular and religious life we get the repeated message that we are born wrong and have to do everything we can to make up for it -- prove ourselves.
I so agree about the cognitive confusion about the "all-loving god" who is fine with torture, rape, and destruction-- as long as it's done by the "righteous' people. Or by god, who of course has the right to commit whatever horrors god decrees to be okay.
@@sundayoliver3147 *the doctrine of original sin. I don't believe it intellectually but in both secular and religious life we get the repeated message that we are born wrong and have to do everything we can to make up for it -- prove ourselves.*
Exactly - this is the other stronghold that needs to collapse like the famed walls of Jericho. Yeah, it's basically being punished for being born.
Same for me. I still have this fear occasionally, but not as bad is it was. I remember having restless nights worrying about going to hell. My deconstruction started when I realised my prayers were never getting answered. This all happened in my early teens. I was blamed and told that because I wasn't praying hard enough, reading my bible without fail, we didn't have food in the house. The old "you just need to have more faith". And at first, I believed it. But eventually those scriptures about "Seek first his kingdom and his righteousness, and all these things will be given to you as well." and "the Lord does not let the righteous go hungry" when I was literally starving and eating just bread daily, made me understand that probably nothing was out there. It was crazy to see the manipulation tactics used against me when I voiced my thoughts. Some of those cliche "thought stoppers" they used against me, "God works things out for his glory, in god's timing, all things work together for good, etc., etc." I'm now an agnostic.
Have you ever experienced God and his love ?? Born again?
@@Max_G43 I was for 18 years of my life. As for God's love, what does that really mean? How do you know what you're feeling is God or not? It could easily be your mind playing games with you.
What helped me was when I researched NDE's. Testimony is what we do in religion when we have something good to say about what Fod did for us today. Testimony is what we use to judge people in court. Testimony is what we use to tell history. So peoples Testimony when they tell us they died and have a story to tell about the other side, must be believed. To me it's either these testimonies are all actors reading a script or there is something to it. Cause there are similar ties all through the narrative told. The stories I heard, is what helped me understand what happens when we die and that we are all here by choice to gain experience. I don't believe in any religion yet I believe all religions have a purpose and is necessary. We all need to strive for unity and food nature. Religion forces us to seperate based on who's in or not but it also brings peace to people's heart. Its all derived from culture. So do what you need to bring peace. Believe what you want. Just don't force others to believe in what you believe just testify and leave it there. Love everyone cause love is the only thing that matters no matter what. Love is the key.
@@OragansDAristilde_TheChristian Is that meant to be a loving remark?
If I want to enjoy life I can't be focused on hell
The real life is based on loving and being focused on the good of others,it gives me freedom to live a good life
Thank you so much for your Chanel. I began my journey of deconstruction during the covid lockdown. It began with my deep concern for the souls of my children who are all not at church . I felt that heaven would not be a paradise if they were being torched endlessly in a finery hell. I began to struggle with the idea that God woul
d even do it to His children !!. Am so glad I came across your channel. Thank you so much .
Happy you're finding freedom!
Define freedom
@RocketKirchner Not being enslaved by unreasonable beliefs . I now find the concept of eternal torture as in that category. Infinite punishment for finite crimes ? Just couldn't believe that I was enslaved with that teaching for 62 years of my life.
Don't blame God for the awful churches. They chose not to follow God. See the vid....What Does the Bible Say About Hell? (Part 1 of 2).....by Spirit and Truth
@@2fast2block without the idea of God, awful churches wouldn't exist and the globular earth would be a far better place.
I'm glad that I freed myself of this worry. I know that some people spend their entire life tormented by this fear - some never have a happy moment. They are already in hell before they even die. It is a terrible waste of a life and many of them become evangelists in order to placate God but, by doing so pass the fear on to a new generation. Some Catholic priests specialise by hanging around in hospitals and hospices trying to get converts. They prey on those who are near death by playing on their fears. It is a ghoulish occupation.
Thank you for much and many things to think about Like you I was indoctrinated at a very young age and am stepping out of the madness. I choose to be free from this craziness.
Well stated. The entire premise of Christianity is conquest by fear. It is not about following the loving example Jesus set for the people of his time, it's about kissing his butt so that you are not punished. They also tend to forget that Jesus was considered a radical rebel by the conservatives of his day. I truly believe that he would be appalled by what the church has been doing all this time while using him as an excuse.
He wouldn't be appalled. He knew it was going to happen and warned us that it would. I'm glad people are waking up to how the Bible has been mishandled.
Matthew 24:11 KJV
And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many.
@@monical2840 Oh, look, kiddies: another person who is still quoting from the ARCHAIC version ever! No reason to use that version anymore. I don't give a rat's ass if King James authorized it. Do YOU use that kind of English when speaking to people? I think not. So why keep reading and quoting from it?
He was very much a radical: The Roman appointed rulers in Jerusalem saw Jesus as a seditionist. His saying he was the "King of the Jews" was considered a direct threat to Roman rule. He was crucified for sedition. Then there was the corrupt priesthood; they saw him as a threat to their livelihood and control of the Temple. They charged him with blasphemy because he said he was God. Now here's the thing about that: According to Jewish law, a blasphemer was to be stoned to death. So sedition against Roman rule was a far more serious crime than blasphemy.
@@monical2840 Pastors are not prophets. Nor is Kristi. She and they are not prophesying.
@@johntiggleman4686
Taken from Strong's Greek Concordance:
4396. prophétés: a prophet (an interpreter or forth-teller of the divine will)
Original Word: προφήτης, ου, ὁ
Part of Speech: Noun, Masculine
Transliteration: prophétés
Phonetic Spelling: (prof-ay'-tace)
Definition: a prophet (an interpreter or forth-teller of the divine will)
Usage: a prophet, poet; a person gifted at expositing divine truth.
I never claimed that Kristi is a false prophet. The church leaders who indoctrinated her may have been, however.
Kristi, you are so articulate. Thank you for your videos.
This one hit home hard especially for my wife. Thank you so much for this! You’ve helped the both of us especially her, you are a true blessing❤
I keep thinking of the Movie - The Bronx Tale, the kid Calogero asks Sonny the mob boss whats more important if his soldiers love or hate him. His answer was love was nice but it's fear of him is what controls them . Same with the threat of hell.
Then I would point out another movie, The Godfather. Vito was respected and loved. Michael was feared and respected, but not loved. Vito died with his family, Michael died alone.
I learned about other world religions and that most also had forms of hell. I studied the history of hell. How the Old Testament talks about Sheol, the underworld where good and evil people alike go. Hell came from Zoroastrian and Greek religions, and was adopted into some sects of Judaism before Jesus' birth. Finally, I thought about who I would send to hell if I were God. Nobody. Not Hitler or Stalin, nobody. I realized that I was more compassionate than God, were He to exist. No crime deserves infinite punishment. Hell is a barbaric stick used to scare people and keep them in-line, like Heaven is the carrot.
I dont need sticks or carrots. As a Christian I remember the love that sent Jesus to the cross for my undeserved salvation and do what I can to share that love freely with the world around me.
If some Christian ask me if I rather go to hell when I voice my doubts, I’m just going to assume they’re only “Christian” because they’re afraid of hell they don’t actually live God. Believing in a “loving” God who would watch you be tormented for life because you had doubts or unbelief then He isn’t loving at all.
hit it right on target. Most people that go to a revival and alter to get saved are not going because they love God. They are going out of terrorism from the preachers and have no love for him. They go because of the ever torture teaching.
This is the most heavy subject that religious trauma affects me most. I always looked around wondering why other people didn’t have the same fears or existential crises as me as if everything were fine. I think this community of ex “believers” or people challenging beliefs are the only people in the world who will truly understand the trauma of religious fear. These are all the thoughts we’ve suppressed.
This video is the biggest comfort, and I can finally breathe in that I’m not alone.
Edit: I’m not joking, my favorite show called “the good place” genuinely gave me the biggest comfort I’ve ever had and insight into religion than anything else I’ve seen/heard. I recommend anyone with religious trauma to watch the whole thing.
THANK YOU THANK YOU! i watched it and this show gives me comfort. And i agree looking around and wondering why No one else is in constant fear is stopping me from living. Im still terrfied of hell and i dont know How to stop but this show was a good start!
Heaven can be hell also....
How can you live in a heaven knowning someone you loved is a hell. An eternity with just that thought would be like a hell in my opinion.
Or, what if you're in "heaven" and you're watching over your loved ones on Earth. Then, one of them dies tragically. That's hell just watching it, and God not intervening.
This is such good content. I wish I had this when I was growing up. Thank you for posting this and keep up the good work!
I wish I did, too! I always feel like I'm just talking to my younger self when I make these videos ☺️
@@jezebelvibesThere is no age for learning, specially whole life is for this purpose ❤❤❤
you love to be deceived
Hell is like prison. You should be scared of prison, but that’s not its purpose. It exists to uphold justice, to keep things fair for those who do things wrong. You do not have to worry about going to prison because you haven’t broken the law. You should be scared of Hell, but you don’t have to worry about going there. I trust that Christ’s sacrifice is sufficient enough for me *(Romans 5:1-2, 8:1, 8:31-34, Matthew 19:26, 1st John 5:11-13),* and I’ve also examined myself and I’ve ticked every box required to be a Christian *(Galatians 6:4, 1st Corinthians 11:27-31, 2nd Corinthians 13:3-5).* We know that God never lets us down *(Psalm 27, 145, Deuteronomy 31:6, 31:8, Luke 1:37).* We know that He never lies *(Psalm 111:7, Numbers **23:19**, Hebrews 6:13-20).* We know that He is very wise *(Proverbs 2:6, Romans 11:33, 16:27).* Finally, we know that His nature is unchanging *(Malachi 3:6, Matthew 24:35, Hebrews 13:8).* Finally, you do good for the sake of doing good and not out of fear of going to Hell *(1st John 4:19).* Although prison exists, it is not meant to scare you into being good. It is just to uphold justice, and it is the exact same with Hell. It is so much simpler than you realize. I have a friend who is a former Christian and he had the exact same worries about Hell. We debated over it and I proved to him with these verses that his worries were completely baseless. He quietly stopped responding to those points during our debate, so I assume he agreed with me. This video is no different to the arguments that he presented.
@@j919or Better than deceiving to "love".
This is going to sound a little silly, but watching the show The Good Place helped me with my deconstruction. I was in the middle of my deconstruction process while watching it, and seeing the silliness and unfairness of the show's version of hell helped me see the cruelty and unfairness of the Christian hell I believed in.
The book and movie What Dreams May Come has an interesting take on the afterlife. I don’t believe in any afterlife, but I wouldn’t mind that afterlife.
@@kevinbailey8827 I haven't seen/read it, but I am now the same as you. I also don't think that there is an afterlife.
The Good Place was an excellent show, and the ending of the series perfectly illustrated why eternal life wouldn't be what the religious purport it to be.
@@wyldink1 True!
I left the church but I'm reassured because I still feel the Lord.
Nice, making your faith your own after dogmatic upbringing is so special, I’d love to hear more about it tbh
Two reasons I left the church was because of social anxiety and the other reason was I wasn't relating to people around me.
It was a very real fear for me too. I was always asking myself: "What if...." Then one day I decided, if all this is real, it would have been much clearer. How can I be judged for not understanding something that was never explained properly or never made real sense?
A wise man wrote many centuries ago that the answer to " where was I before I was conceived," is the same as the answer to the question "where will I be after I die?"
I will explain it properly to you:
17 For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through him.
18 Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe stands condemned already because they have not believed in the name of God’s one and only Son.
John 3
It is very clear how It works. It is up to you to make your choices in life and cope with It’s eternal consequences
You will answer: it doesn’t make any sense to me.
You’ve already made your choice, but it is still time to change
@elucidativo7 - No, actually I won't answer "It doesn't make any sense to me". But I will answer "No, that comes out of the new testament, a salvation plan that is vastly different from the old testament and not hinted to once in all scripture." I will also add, the OT said if anyone preaches another God that Israel didn't know, he is preaching a false God.
@@KMMKda Do you people ever even read your bibles? In what Christians call the "old testament" it CLEARLY states that the Messiah is a man born of Solomon's LITERAL seed who will be the LITERAL king of the Jews. Not a god man who is without sin who will be crucified but an actual man. It even says that "if he does wrong, Yahweh will punish him." That is proof that Yahweh was not going to make him "without sin." He will rebuild the temple, bring the remnants Jews back to Israel, end war and suffering, and bring back sacrifices. People of other nations will come to the Jews to learn about Yahweh. THAT is what it says. IF THAT DID NOT HAPPEN, THEN THE MESSIAH DID NOT COME. If you deny this and say it is not true, then you deny the words of your god. You turn your back on the words on your god. You are now a liar in your god's eyes.
I just wanted to pop on here right quick and say thank you…. I started my deconstruction of southern baptist ideas and became a Kemetic Pagan about one year ago but this is still the one thing I struggle with the most. Your breakdown of the topic really got me one step closer to becoming the person I want to be, and for that I cannot thank you enough.
The religious trauma of Hell indoctrination is REAL! Thank you for your video, Kristi. As a therapist, I wrote a best-selling book on religious trauma that you may be interested in. It has been endorsed by over 25 scholars, therapists, and religious trauma practitioners. It is called "The Diabolical Trinity: Healing Religious Trauma from a Wrathful God, Tormenting Hell, and a Sinful Self." If you are interested, I can send you a free PDF if you would like. Just let me know. Keep up the great work!
This is the way I look at it. I could never follow a "higher power" that would do things like drown almost every living creature on earth because they weren't "minding" or throw people in a lake of fire for eternity because they didn't do as they were told. If we did our own children like that we'd be in jail. That's horribly abusive behavior. And thinking of all that makes it easy for me to think such a being just doesn't really exist, but it also makes me think that if I'm wrong, well I don't want to go anywhere where that being exists, so I guess send me to hell.
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@@FamilyIsGone what business is it of yours, No one owes you an explanation?
@@desireedebellis6766 and no one should teach in classrooms I mean no one owes children an explanation
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No one can find faith . It’s a gift .
Loyalty through paranoia. Religion can’t exist without it.
Niether can atheism , fascism , communism , Stalin , Mao , Hitler etc
@@RocketKirchner All of which your sky daddy apparently knew about well beforehand yet still allowed to happen. Got it.
@@RocketKirchner Yes, I agree: fascism, communism, Stalin, Mao, Hitler are like religion in that way. Not seeing it for the atheists: where do you see atheists forcing loyalty through paranoia?
@@pureheathen1720 blaming a God that you think does not exist ??? makes no sense .
@@RocketKirchner I’m going off your logic…and at what point did I say what I believe as far as existence?
Great topic! Everytime a Christian uses Pascal's wager as a justification for faith they are admitting they believe because they are afraid of hell.
Sheol/Saul usually translated Hell or its equivalent in the Bible is the "under world or subterranean cave" (Gesenius Heb. Lex., p. 1022). Sheol, then, is the earth in winter, when the Sun appears among the southern constellations. This is the true meaning of Sheol, which corresponds to the Hades of the Greeks. "Hades is an intermediate state between death and resurrection” = between death and life; it is the earth's sleep. (See Smith's Bib. Dict., Art. Hell).
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Saul symbols the winter season. Paul (summer) is another Apollo. Apollo was depicted with seven locks of hair. Like the seven months of summer. Eve had 700 braids of hair aka the same seven months. Hercules/Samson had seven locks of hair.
See how winter is associated with the number five in Rev. 9.5. The Philistines, of the bible, were these five signs aka Scorpio thru Pisces. The head of the giant Goliath is the sign Scorpio.
How many locks of hair does the statue of liberty have?
YOU ARE BEING OF GREAT HELP TO HUMANITY. Keep up, never give up. I’ve been done with the bible for some time, but I have always thought some one needs to do something about it, and you are doing it pretty well.
Only Jesus provides the way to be right with God and to be assured of going to Heaven
Q - How do I get right with God through Jesus?
While the religions of the world falsely require you to do something like be a good person or observe certain rituals/ traditions to get right with God, Jesus already did what’s necessary on your behalf. What He did was pay the penalty that God, who is holy, justly requires for sin which is death.
Rather than you needing to die and stay dead for your sins, you can ask God to substitute Jesus’ death in place of your death so that the sin penalty is satisfied.
It’s as easy as ABC.
Admit you’ve sinned against God. Tell Him you are sorry and ask Him to forgive you.
Believe [trust, rely/depend on] that Jesus’ death on the cross was in your place and satisfied God’s penalty for sin.
Confess that Jesus is your Lord and Savior
When you do this you’ve put your trust in what Jesus did on your behalf. God says it this way in Romans 10:11 of the Bible, “Anyone who trusts in Him will never be put to shame.” It means being saved from the shame that would have resulted from foolishly not accepting Jesus’ offer to satisfy God’s sin penalty on your behalf. Its a relationship, not a religious experience.
What if I am wrong about the tooth fairy being a myth? Will I suffer eternal toothache after I die?
Lmfaaooo 😂😭 I’m stealing this!
As long as you still believe in the fluoride fairy, you’ll be fine. 😁 (sorry - actual dentist here, I had to 😜).
@@CharlesPayetActual dentist...as a RABID ANTI-DENTITE!...I say AWAY WITH THEE...MOUTH GOUGER!😡...SERENITY NOOOOOOOOOOWW!!!
It's one of life's great mysteries!
I lost any fear of Hell when I realised the idea of Heaven was completely irrational. Living for eternity with everything perfect would very quickly become tedious. I have found no believer who can tell me what Heaven would be like other than vague platitudes saying how wonderful it would be.
If Heaven cannot exist, neither can Hell.
Thank you for this. The fear of eternal punishment in hell was a big one for me. Many christians don't have any issues with it, but I could never get too close to a being who had created a place like that. Actually, the certainty of some believers' personal assurance of being with Jesus in heaven and their comparative disinterest in the implications that hell would have on the fate of unbelievers made me extremely uncomfortable about sharing eternity with them! Since then I have always sided with characters who seemed to meet an unnecessarily abrupt end, Adam and Eve, the flood victims, the much reviled Ammonites, Lot's wife who looked round as fire cascaded over Sodom, Uzzah who tried to steady the cart that was carrying the ark, among others
Lots wife loved Sodom . Why ? The sin of Sodom was to reject the poor and hungry and let them die in the desert .
So true - I encountered the same discomfort. Most Christians don’t care about an eternal torment hell - because they sincerely believe THEY won’t go there.
Yeah, religion seems like the most powerful antidote to compassion.
The NT says that Hell was created, not for people, for "the devil and all his angels". Jesus came to save us from sharing their fate. We should share his compassion for those who are heading down that path and show them the perfect love of Jesus which, as the NT says, "casts out fear".
@@ChrisSmith-xh9wb So you say Hell was created for the devil and all his angels, not for people, HALLELUJAH!, yet you then say that Jesus came to save us from sharing their fate. Illogical Captain. Either hell was created for the devil and his angels only (I am genuinely sorry that God needed to go to such lengths), or he created it for the devil and his angels and US, in which case another problem arises - how can it be possible for the entire human race to be saved, by Jesus, unless the devil and his angels are saved also? As Frasier would say, rolling his eyes, 'We're doomed, Captain Mainwaring, doomed I say.'
I gave up religion when I realized all I was holding on to was the fear. Fear is such a strong tool that it is the main tool of religion and the government. You are expected to simultaneously fear and love god... Impossible. At least for me it is. I was a believer, but I realized one day that I never felt anything. How is that possible?
We create hell and the devil in our own minds. Meshed together from common nightmares. A psychological trick we play on ourselves. We give it all the power it has over us. In time the rational mind will compartmentalise it where it belongs.
Hell aka Sheol, of the bible, is the period when darkness is greater that light aka autumn equinox - spring equinox. The deepest part of Hell is the winter solstice. Heaven is the period when light is greater than darkness aka spring equinox - autumn equinox. The highest point in Heaven is the summer solstice.
Fear is a great motivator. Man knew that.
fear=control
I still struggle with that, and I know that fear is the control mechanism used by churches since their inception! I was talking with someone a couple of days back, about the morality of creating somewhere like hell, a place of eternal torture…….the response “oh you’re not tortured forever, you’re only tormented….!”! Well that’s just so much better then!
The answer to where was I before I was conceived is the same as the answer to where will I be when I am dead!! Enjoy life now! I wish you well.
Ms. Burke, good work you just articulated better what I butchered trying to Tell my brother few years back. Thanks. 👍
My deconstruction journey started when I was 21, sitting in a Church History course (circa 50 CE to the Refornation) in a Pentecostal (Assembly of God) seminary, taught objectively by one of the staff theologians. I wandered in a desert for around 8 years, then finally shedding Christian belief altogether. I appreciate your channel.
Your videos are on point and pertinent. I have to come to terms with the fact I've lived thinking believing was all I needed to do for the next life only to realize the life that matters is happening before me now. I am so sympathetic to your POV. Thanks for posting.
Thats always been my biggest problem with Christianity. That it tries to use fear, threats, and guilt to teach love? No wonder so many children spend their adulthoods recovering from narcissistic abuse. The bible is practically a "how-to guide" on narcisstic parenting.
It sure is!
A parent said to be LOVE: My beloved children, from today if you won’t obey or acknowledge that I’m the only and only right, your punishment will be to stay in the hottest water bathtub! Do you understand, and don’t forget it’s not my fault that you get burned, it was your CHOICE your FREEWILL! Is what I imagine this book God telling me😮😅
I believe, that being honest with God, means being honest with yourself.
If there is such a thing as God, I surely do not believe in such a being that humanity prays to. This is also unbelievable.
I love how you say everyone should be their most authentic selves and follow their own most authentic path. I rejected that religion as a child, bc it didnt make sense to me. Thank you for your most informative and logical videos.
I think there is just a fear of not being alive in general, nobody truly knows what is there.
It'd be impossible for anyone to truly know, unless, of course, someone really died and resurrected to tell about it. And what if that person had friends that watched him die and resurrect. That'd be crazy, huh.😮
You are not far from the kingdom of God
People need to start asking themselves why God would want to be believed in, worshipped, praised etc?
Jim Jefferies in his "God at a Party" explains it pretty well :- )
Nowhere in the BIble does God ask to be worshipped, only that we should do it with sincerity, not for show.
@@ChrisSmith-xh9wb Uh..you see the contradiction in your statement?
Fear comes from the darkness and keeps us bound in it.
no. it comes from all those indoctrinating adults. In a hurry. Because they KNOW: Once you are old enough to think critically, they can rant and rant and you just laugh them off the stage.
(if you have a chance to do so, watch the reaction of NOT-indoctrinated children to their 1st random prayer scene in any random movie. It is precious:
"uhmmm... What are these fellas doing??? Why don't they eat already? And... is some... thing watching them?"
@@istvansipos9940 that is what the darkness is. The indoctrination of fear and all other actions that slave individuals and communities to it.
And yes, I have seen that program before about kids who were raised free of religion
When one is exposed from an early age that they will go to hell if they are bad, then yes it is hard to let go of that fear. I remember clearly being told by the nuns teaching about going to hell if you sin, any sin no matter how small. I was 6 years old. That is actually the main thing I remember of what was being taught, the other was that holy communion would take the sin away and save me until the next time. My family did not go to church frequently so my exposures were infrequent which has made it easy for me to question the many contradictions in Christianity. But with all of that examination and new information that I have learned over my lifetime, that fear of hell still can haunt me. The earlier and more regularly one is exposed to that, makes it harder to move past. Fortunately, I don't struggle much anymore since I don't think about it that often, but when I do, it takes a small amount of time for me to put things back into perspective.
It is difficult to try to apply logic and reason to teaching that is not logical, nor reasonable.
Have you heard about the Mind Control program MK Ultra? There the CIA tried to create a method to control people minds. That is by the way not a conspiracy theory but actual did happen. You can read about it.
A person named Gottlieb came to the conclusion that a two step process is necessary which is:
""First, you had to blast away the existing mind. Second, you had to find a way to insert a new mind into that resulting void. We didn't get too far on number two, but he did a lot of work on number one.""
If I remember correctly it was called trauma based mind control.
I am very new to deconstruction and have been really struggling to deal with the fear of hell. I have seen so many videos while trying to work through this fear but this is the first one that has really hit home with me and validated everything I have been feeling. Thank you so much for this!
I'm so glad to hear that! Welcome to this journey. Be kind to yourself 🩷
Hell is a real place please don't agree with this woman I had a real hell experience.
you can try and convince yourself of anything you want, but you cant change your heart. Jesus is the only way to escape hell. You go to either 1 place or the other. that is why we are given free will on earth.
@@Outsider4JC how is it free will when you are psychologically coerced to believe in it through fear? Get rid of the hell B.S. and see how many people stay in christianity.
Hell was the last thing to go for me but it has become the strongest concept that proves to me that the Christian religion is wrong. Hell cannot be with a loving god. There are so many things about it that make no sense or point to an evil god.
What kind of person looks forward to heaven knowing others will be constantly suffering the worst torments forever and ever? You'd have to be kind of a cruel monster.
honestly, we are all given free will to choose where we spend eternity. its nobodys fault but your own. people dont want to listen, they think its a joke, they want to live their own way, they think God is a myth, they laugh at God, they mock Him. But its someone elses fault when they end up in hell. That makes alot of sense
Ironically, the concept of hell was the first thing I deconstructed about 13 years ago. I was very involved in a Christian group in college and the biggest thing that unsettled me about Christianity was hell. Most of my closest friends were not Christians, and they were (and still are) some of the kindest, most compassionate people I know, so I couldn't reconcile the idea of a loving God with the idea of a God who would send my best friends to eternal torment. Then a couple years later, just after college, I found some books on universalism, the idea that God/Jesus will save everyone, literally everyone, which gave me so much peace, and that's where I'd been till about 9 months ago when I realized that I don't know how much I believe at all anymore. But I decided 13 years ago, I'd rather burn in hell myself than worship a God who would condemn good people to hell for "wrong" beliefs. I want nothing to do with that version of God.
Hell aka Sheol, of the bible, is the period when darkness is greater that light aka autumn equinox - spring equinox. The deepest part of Hell is the winter solstice. Heaven is the period when light is greater than darkness aka spring equinox - autumn equinox. The highest point in Heaven is the summer solstice
@@harveywabbit9541 Hm, interesting interpretation. Maybe that's where we get the idea that darkness is somehow always bad?
I go back to, "Would I enjoy heaven if I had to serve such a terrible deity that uses mafia tactics and fear-based coercion of a narcissistic abusive spouse to get love?" What kind of deity wants people who are only joining its preferred religion out of fear of punishment?
Well, actually, the examples in the bible make that pretty clear. It's weird, I know.
The God I worship does not want people coming to Him through fear of punishment. Jesus died on the cross to save us from the fear of Hell. When you truly understand that, what draws you to Him is love.
@@ChrisSmith-xh9wb I'm not a believer in human sacrifice, which is what you are describing.
SO WELL SAID. Thank you
Hell indoctrination is abusive and evil.
How I finally overcame the fear.of he'll was by realizing that no loving or just god would ever allow anyone to go somewhere like hell.
Well, to be fair, he did flood and drown everyone, right? What's a little fire after that?
Thank you so much. Live our most authentic life. ❤
Thank you for your very well thought out essay. As an older person, I'd just like to add that the fear of being wrong eases with time. After being raised Christian, I left belief in a deity in my late teens. But there's always the chance that I am wrong. Well, shouldn't my life have included suffering, bad things happening, if there's a deity who I'm denying? I'm now approaching 60, and only normal ups and downs explained by reason and logic have happened. Nothing supernaturally bad has happened. Hence, I'm growing stronger in rejecting belief in magic. Give it time. The peace of mind will astound you.
Nothing supernaturally?! 1LofT states that energy can't be created or destroyed, it can't happen naturally. One aspect of the 2LofT shows that the universe is winding down, usable energy is becoming less usable. Creation had to be done supernaturally at some point.
Are you seriously suggesting that you would believe in you had suffered bad things? Why not just be grateful that God is merciful and patient with you?( I also had rejected Christianity by my early twenties, but I later realised I was wrong, and have now been a Christian for over four decades)
@@ChrisSmith-xh9wb to me, it's a shame how so many churches have gone from God's word to their own 'word.' I stopped going to churches a long time ago. I could go on and on how messed up it all is, which is true, but that does not change God's word. I'm in awe of God and His word. It is our rock and salvation. God's blessings to you.
@@rickastley4295 then don't understand BASIC science. You turn a blind eye to it because it crushes you. You made that clear and that's why you ignore it.
Well done. Well presented. Well spoken
As a Muslim we educate each other on the concept of hell not to strike fear and ruin lives of the believers but it acts as a reminder for us to not exceed the boundaries of moral and teaches us about being accountable for our actions ....
Imagine there's no heaven
It's easy if you try
No hell below us
Above us, only sky
Imagine all the people
Liiivin' for todaaay, ohhoh
Love that song❤
For many people on this world Hell is a daily experience. They wake up every day to war, poverty, disease, abuse, starvation. They do not have to imagine "living for today", but live in hope that tomorrow may be better. This song is naive in many ways. It will take more than imagination to change things.
Kristi you do a great job of logically deconstructing your arguments, kudos to you. Imagine a God that gives you a rational mind. A mind capable of using reason to escape the treacherous jungle and create tools for entertainment, exploration and for understanding how the universe works. Then he decides that your reward of eternal life depends on your choosing to remain ignorant, to remain
blind to facts and evidence and to basically not utilize your higher faculties??
I can’t thank you enough for this video. It’s exactly what I needed to hear today and I really hope you know that you are saving lives ❤
shes not saving lives, she is the devil in disguise, leading people to hell, right along with her.
This is absolutely not talked about enough. My family is still very fundamental and I grew up in a fundamental Christian school, church, and home. I was taught about hell in graphic ways as young as 4 years old in Sunday school. It was terrifying! I would cry if anyone I knew who wasn’t Christian died because I thought they’d be in hell. I’m 29 now and still have hell anxiety even though I’ve left the church for about 8 years. Something I thought about even at a young age was what is the cutoff regarding people sent to hell? What age is the cutoff of being cognizant enough to “accept Jesus” and, if you don’t and die, you’ll be sent to hell? How could God send an infant, a child, a special needs person, someone who he allowed to be born somewhere where they’d never be told about God to hell? This was a big reason for the beginning of my deconstruction and decision to leave the church. Thank you for talking about this!
I went back to christianty last year was the biggest mistake of my life i had a psychosis break down got paranoid from this religion caused so much fear i atually had to go to a mental hospital because of it i was shaking uncontrollable for months trying to force myself to believe idk why i would ever want to do that to myself the amount of fear i had i seen the harm of this religion it really messed me up psychological i just wish i never would of went back to that i even told myself how stupid i must of been but i have forgiven myself and now know the harm it can do to a person
Awesome presentation. Thanks!
Happy you enjoyed it!