2021 Toyota RAV4 Prime Test Results; How Big Tech is Influencing the Auto Industry |
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- We've completed testing of our 2021 Toyota RAV4 Prime, and discuss how this plug-in hybrid performed, and why it might outshine the Subaru Crosstrek Plug-in Hybrid. Apple made automotive news recently concerning the potential development of an Apple-branded car produced by Hyundai; we discuss these reports, and consider the many ways the auto industry and big tech companies are converging to impact the car market. Other topics include the Toyota Yaris GR, if a hitch-mounted bike rack could prematurely age your car's springs, and whether adaptive cruise control has an impact on fuel efficiency.
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00:00 - Introduction
00:34 - News of potential Apple-branded car produced by Hyundai.
09:19 - 2021 Toyota RAV4 Prime Test Results
19:41 - Question #1: Why is the Toyota Yaris GR AWD not available in the US?
25:17 - Question #2: Does adaptive cruise control have an effect on fuel efficiency?
26:37 - Question #3: Could having a hitch mounted bike rack over an extended period of time have negative impact on the car’s springs?
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This guy really complained about having to drive long distances so it's not a good vehicle for him. You can still use the hybrid mode and get 38 mpg... Then he says he has no place to plug it in. You don't have to plug it in!
But you really shouldn't buy it unless you plug it in, just buy the regular hybrid in that case.
Why consumer reports website is not accessible?
I plan on replacing my 2013 C.Max Energi with the RAV4 Prime in a year or so. Wondering if the RAV4 Prime will be easy to find on 18 months?
The 2021 Audi RS6 Avant actually is available in the US
At 13:35 I’m glad it’s mentioned that “you don’t necessarily need 220volt charging”. I have a Chevy Bolt and I drive an average of 50 miles/day and very very rarely use my 220 volt charger. The large surplus of battery allows 110volt charging in the vast majority of cases.
I'm guessing (but I don't know) that adaptive cruise control systems are actually more fuel efficient, because when I get to a hill and all the big rigs in front of me slow down going up that hill, it's so easy for me to sit back and let the cruise control slow me down too instead of accelerating up that hill and passing them the way it would be if it were set to a certain speed.
Great discussion. Hope that Toyota ramps up production so that we can get one.
Great video. In an earlier Talking Cars video, I remember CR saying that this RAV4 Prime was "Rented." If I'm mistaken and CR now owns this vehicle, please tell us where you bought it, and for what price from the dealer you paid. Thank you!
My sister was one of those that forgot about her bike on the roof and drove into a public parking garage, ouch. Jake would surely have shed a tear on that one!
Want I want from the RAV4 PRIME;
apply the same formula to the Prius PRIME via larger MG1 motor.
I hope they bring back the Honda Element!
I'd be happy to own the Rav Prime plug in, especially if I had solar panels to charge it.
I think another important point is to be nice to the salesperson. Not a pushover, but nice and direct.
The introduction of EVs poses a very interesting dynamic. Clearly, the final version of these vehicles are maybe 4 to 5 years into the future therefore anybody who goes out and purchases one is kind of acting as a canary for the rest of us. I'm kind of in Keith's situation. I live in a Townhouse and park in a lot. A hybrid is much more attractive to me than an EV. However, if it's true that solid-state batteries are right around the corner with charging times of less than 30 minutes suddenly EVs become an option. In the meantime, manufacturers have to sell vehicles in order to fuel this innovation. We really appreciate all of you guys taking one for the team so that the rest of us can reap the benefits later on. Some might call you suckers. I choose to call you heroes.
The demand for RAV4 Primes in my part of Maryland is strong enough that the local dealer is putting at $10,000 "market adjustment" on top of the MSRP and says he can sell all he can get.
I am not sure about the 4 hours to add 40 miles at 220. My 32 amp 220 volt level 2 charger adds about 25 miles of range an hour.
As you guys were talking about the commoditization of vehicle parts I couldn't help but think of the PC clone makers of 80's. For us older guys it looks like the same thing is happening in the automotive world and the operating systems will be the differentiator once again. Of course they will be more like hybrid operating/control systems that may still require some collaboration on the software side.
Jake, Think of the GR Yaris as The Poor Man's LFA®. Along those lines, Toyota sold the first 1,000 GR Yaris in Australia for an introductory price of approximately $30,000.
If there is a business case in North America for the Civic Type R, Veloster N and Golf R then "no more boring cars" Toyota should offer the awesome GR Yaris.
So is the Cobalt SS 2.0T a Corvette wanna-be? Silly you!
well, its built on the same assembly line as the lfa
Charging my 2017 Leaf costs more using 110V than 220V due to charging efficiency losses at 110V. The payback period is in years, so it might not be worth it depending on your situation. Having the option to charge at 220V provides more flexibility.
Tip: Cut the little rubber stopper off of the plug and throw it in the garbage!
Hey guys, we have the RS6 Avant in the US now, and it has 561 hp, not 450
Yes but they were referring to the RS4.
5hrs to full charge at 240v. Do you know how many kw were used to achieve a full charge? Knowing this value and cost/kwh we can calculate cost per mile.
Phev only use 80% of their battery. So 80% of the battery size is what energy is used charge it.
I only use 9 kilo watts driving 24 miles round trip to work in a 2018 CT6 plug-in. At .05 cent per kwh it cost less than .50 cents. This is on 120v at 8amps or 12 amps.
Don't plug it in every time you pull into the garage. The battery likes to stay half charged when parked. This is why the Prime has a "charging schedule".
hey Element guy: there's a rear alignment kit for your car from the aftermarket--not that expensive. you should find a new alignment shop if yours didn't know about it!
I lived in Europe for a couple of years recently. The cars there I liked that we cannot get in the USA are Skoda, Citroen, and Peugeot. I don't know whether those cars are any good, but they have really nice designs. Also, the cars in Europe are still mostly very small. They didn't go crazy with large SUVs and trucks like in the USA because gasoline was about the equivalent of $6 a gallon when I was there.
Good news, Peugeot/Citroen has merged with Fiat Chrysler so there should be plenty of their cars coming sooner or later. Skoda is just VW in disguise.
For some reason I don’t think $6 a gallon gas will deter large SUV/Truck sales in the US long term. If we slapped a $3-4 a gallon gas tax on fuel like Europe Americans will buy more fuel efficient cars for a year or two and then get comfortable with the higher prices.
Everyone's driving situation is different. In my case I'm retired, and 99.9% of everything I need on a daily, weekly, and even monthly basis is within five miles of my house. In fact, most of the stores I frequent, including doctor and dentist offices are within a mile. So my big worry with something like a plug-in hybrid would be having the gasoline go stale in the tank. That said, I prefer the option of having an available combustion engine, should longer trips be necessary, so in that regard I would be reluctant to get into a full on EV. I guess for me, the bottom line is that MPG's are really of no concern, so I might as well stick with something more conventional, even if it gets less than stellar gas mileage.
The PHEV is perfect choice for you or a brand new 2021 Chevrolet Bolt with close to 300 miles of range for low $20's on autotrader.
I work 12 miles away and shop most 3-8 miles away so our 2018 Cadillac CT6 plug-in 40 miles is plenty of range for daily tasks through the week. The 2.0T sees 34-38 mpg on the highway and +40 mpg in the city when the battery is used up. It cost us .05 cents a kilo watt which is about .50 cents to the equivalent $2.30 gallon of gas today. Plus you get to drive on smooth and quiet electricity. My CT6E cost $36K but there is no way I would spend that much on a economy suv like the RAV4.
Plus buying new you can get up to $7,500 fed credit, but not from GM or Tesla anymore.
My choice for a single PHEV to do it all in retired life would be Pacifica Hybrid with 30 miles of range. Hauling capacity for cargo or passengers/kids/dogs and v6 that sees close to 30 mpg when the battery runs out.
About that hybrid backup noise: I live in a condo above my garage and my neighbor's garage. She just bought a new Venza, When she first brought it home I heard the weirdest high pitched woowoowooo sound! Coincidentally I had been having issues with my water heater. When I heard that noise I panicked! My water heater is going to blow! but it was just the Venza.
The Camry and RAV4 hybrids make a screeching noise when in reverse. I always look over and under the car like they have something dragging underneath, all while given a cringing face!
I always wondered if PHEVs like Rav4 prime are smart enough to distinguish the miles driven on battery alone v/s on gas engine, and consider that while reminding for the next Oil change service?
Well, question before that would be, if I am almost 95% of the time on battery power alone and only 5% or less on the gas engine or hybrid powertrain, does the car need less frequent oil changes or its still the same?
@PP Change the oil and filter once a year (or whatever Toyota recommends), no matter how little you use the gasoline engine.
I believe it does distinguish, the first Plug In Prius did. As to oil changes, you can definitely go longer.
The oil life monitor on most vehicles calculate the age of the oil amongst other things. Our Cadillac CT6 plug-in can only make it a year on oil life monitor and that is because the 2.0 is turbochargered and all turbo-4's need annual oil change, whether the engine fires up or not.
@@jonathonalsop2120 see the Project Farm videos- he found that with full synthetic oil and low miles per year, it is probably very safe to change the engine oil every 2 years.
We own a 2019 Rav 4 hybrid XLE and a Rav 4 SE prime 2021
I drove in HV after draining the battery and on the interstate doing what I do in our HV Only Rav 4 eco gliding keeping the acceleration steady driving around 70 mph after the 28 mile trip we average 39 mpg.
That is pretty darn good winter driving in Utah when outside temps was 40 degrees. (Cold temps knock HV exigency)
I can’t do any better in cold weather with our lighter HV Rav 4.
Overall I prefer driving our Prime. The acceleration is smoother and the bigger battery allows for more regenerative energy store-up so if you have a lot of hills and breaking you actually can net better efficiency vs the much smaller high voltage battery in the HV only Rav 4.
I thought it was funny that Jake talked about "really stepping on the gas" to get the Rav4 going when it's in electric mode. Our driving vocabulary will change over time. I still talk about "rolling down my window" as I push the button :-)
I'm a bit confused by the first question. (A) we are getting the Corolla GR, which is a bit bigger and will likely sell much better and likely be plenty of fun too, and (B) Audi is selling the RS6 Avant in the US. It's not forbidden fruit. There's literally one for sale 30 minutes from me in Seattle right now.
I don’t want a full electric car. The extra money isn’t worth it. However, the hybrid of the two makes local trips easy and long road trips doable.
Why doesn’t the Rav 4 Prime qualify for NY Green Pass?
16:19 nah I don't believe that at all, had they ever discussed whether the tyre contact is larger than the lighter normal RAV4?
Rav4 Prime talk starts at 9:20
While the Prime is lowly placed at 5th out of 17 compact suvs, the base rav4 is rated even lower than a Chevy Equinox.
Once again, the bookmarks for EVERYTHING in the video are included in EVERY video they EVER post EVERY single time they post it. You just have to click on "SHOW MORE" in the description of the video, RIGHT THERE ON TOP, and it's ALL right there. EVERY week. EVERY time. EVERY video.
And if people can't see the bookmarks that CR puts a lot of effort in to post EVERY single time, then how about you just drag the cursor across the video: the timestamps and descriptions are ALSO right there. EVERY time.
I didn't know Jake used to work for GM. That's pretty cool! 🆗✅
We shouldn't be surprised at these guys work history. I don't think Jen worked for any manufacturer though unless on the softer side of marketing or PR.
What is even remotely cool about working for one of the worst companies of all-time?
@@mrsj1417 💛💛💛💛
@@normt430 She’s an engineer; why should she have worked on the “softer side”? Because she’s a woman?
@@normt430 way to go Norm, not. She's a lot of the brains there, as is Emily. Jen was working in high responsibility position w tire manufacturing.
At 16:20, How can you say you are getting worse fuel economy than regular hybrid?! Are you taking into account all the miles you are traveling “fuel free” on electric?? Ie. Getting the equivalent of 250 miles/gallon (or whatever)...you can’t ignore this fact!
Two handed charging isn't that big of a hardship is it? ... If so just break that internal cover off.
What about the moose test. The Toyota RAV4 Prime does not pass the moose test.
It didn't do too good in CR handling test getting a 3 out of 5 in the Emergency Handling test.
I was hoping Elio would start production for their 3 wheelers- cheaper, simpler, going to a Pep Boys for repairs, fewer computer chips to mess up or fail. I also hope Mazda starts selling their MX-30 all electric in the US, with a gasoline range extender small engine like the BMW i3. Hopefully they can get a rotary engine reliable enough for this, with a constant rpm for better fuel economy and less wear. I think the trend away from only direct injection of gasoline is good, by Hyundai and Kia. I wait for your April magazine issue every year at the library, especially the owner satisfaction winners, and top reliability especially after the vehicle has been out for 3 years plus and more have drove it over 100 thousand miles. My suggestion- have a predicted reliability list for newer vehicles, and an actual reliability list for vehicles in production for at least 3 years with real numbers from the owner surveys.
We do get the RS 6 Avant in US,... From Audi US site......In 1993, the RS 2 Avant stormed into the auto world as the first RS wagon from Audi, kicking off the success story of the Audi high-performance models that continues to this day. In honor of the RS 2 Avant, Audi of America is pleased to announce the RS 6 Avant "RS Tribute edition," limited to 25 units, for its 25th anniversary. The RS 6 Avant "RS Tribute edition" pays homage to the RS 2 with its Silver wheels, black roof rails, Nogaro blue exterior paint, body color mirrors, red brake calipers, RS Sport exhaust, Black optic package, and a variety of Audi exclusive interior finishes.
7:22 the Brits should only be responsible for tea and biscuits
LoL. Also accents and funny walks.
How did RAV4 Prime perform in the emergency lane change test? Was it "really really bad" as claimed by Teknikens Värld?
Edmunds also said it was too mushy. I disagree. 💯% 🙂
I'll believe the Japanese guy over that euro dude...
It went through at 51 mph which is much lower than Buick Envision at 55 mph. The Prime Emergency Handling was rated a 3 out of 5.
Of course Jake would mention specialized 🙄 let’s represent the little guys Pivot, Kona, Niner
He should have occasionally used the gas engine and refilled the tank because otherwise the gas gets old and stale.
Run the engine once every three weeks or so on the highway for 15 minutes. Add fuel stabilizer and refill the tank once per year.
@@user-tb7rn1il3q go to the boat section of a big box store for a good fuel stabilizer. I like the StarTron brand, they have a cheaper and not as good version for the auto parts store areas. See the Project Farm videos for some other gasoline and diesel additives for the fuel tank.
I hope Toyota makes more than 5k this upcoming year! Want to sell one of my TESLAs to get this..more practical all around. While I love everything about my TESLA, currently, in 2021, battery tech is evolving and the elements needed are difficult to acquire, gotten via questionable means, etc...Most people don’t need more than 100 mile range for 95% of their every day driving. But, if you try to sell a pure EV with less than 200 miles range, it won’t sell. So, this car quells that fear and also proves you don’t need a lot of range to go pure EV. My office is 19 miles one way, and my son’s school the same, as is his hockey rink where he plays...so, 40 miles EV range would work out well for us, being able to use EV for most of it, unless you need to take multiple trips.
Inductive charging on a car has massive losses. It’s a horrible idea.
The Prime is "more appealing than an EV" is an unbelievable statement. Do these guys believe in climate catastrophe or don't they? I keep noticing an old, fossil-based mindset at Consumer Reports. They have an online review of space heaters and state it may be more efficient to turn up your whole house furnace than using a space heater in one room!
I'm done clicking on Consumer Reports, goodbye.
Why would it not be more appealing then an EV? With EV you have to just lose so much time planning and micromanaging your trips since your range and charging time are just a joke mostly. EV are at the moment not really for everybody they have to many limitations and design problems. Plus on top of that they don’t have to do a lot with climate, except propaganda but well in that case everything is green
I guess "nobody" refers to me. I drive a manual Outback XT wagon;)
The Outback's with the 4 cylinder get rave reviews.
I'm on a waiting list for a Rav4 Prime. Could be a long wait.......
That's one reason why I went for a regular RAV4 Hybrid. Yes, most of my trips could be covered by the PHEV battery, but I couldn't pass up the deal and interest free financing versus an unknown wait and MSRP or higher.
That's what I thot too but they told me my car is in production and I should expect it in about a month!
There were 170 for sale on Autotrader... someone is blowing smoke and probably over charging. Granted these are $42-50K+ which is ridiculous for a economy suv!.
Curious on how long of the wait list is for you. US or Canada?
Toyota's late to the EV game the way Sony was late to the flat panel TV game 20 years ago.
Betamax!
In your discussion about the burden you must bear in having to use two hands to get to the plug....come on boys! Get a grip. You can do it. No whining allowed.
They probably only use full service gas stations...
Good luck trying to buy one... lol
I live in California I have one I'm lucky.
Too hard to plug in? Really?
I get it: compared with other systems that does look a little bit more cumbersome. If it is a two-handed affair, as they suggest, that can be very inconvenient, especially when you're just coming home and your hands are full with your bag or purse or whatever from work.
first world problems lol!
I bought my 2021 RAV4 Prime 4 weeks ago. The starter battery dead 3 times since then. Each time I brought to the dealer they found nothing wrong with the battery and the car had the latest software update. The second time I brought it in the charge the battery to full and the battery is dead in one week even with regular driving and nothing was on in the car when it was park. The dealer won’t replace the battery because according to their battery test, the battery was still good. I recommend don’t buy 2021 RAV4 Prime yet until they solve this problem. Very frustrating when you bought this top of the line beauty and it turn out to be a lemon. Very disappointed in Toyota and the way they handle to fix the situation. As of now Toyota engineer still don’t have a fix for this.
Hyundai benefits incredibly by making Apple Cars especially in penetrating the Japanese market where Apple products do very well.
Android to reach almost 90% of the market in the next few years. Looks like Japanese cars sales are declining as fast as Apple.
Change title. I Don't wanna listen to ten minutes of other stuff. Want to hear about rav4 prime
Market. Not one mention people don't have jobs and people working at home. The market is so different
and now Toyota just needs to make enough of the RAV4 Prime for the people that want to buy them.
I got one in August, the first customer to registar it in Texas.
Toyota is going solid state battery for EVs which have better range, faster recharge and safer than lithium ion or nickel-metal hydride battery.
What, no BMW or Mercedes reviews this week? The Apple/Hyundai news was everywhere. Apple wants to get into the electric car space and that’s why Electric Jesus Musk immediately responded to the news with his typical child like taunting.
Poor Microsoft.
Too busy out selling iPad with Surface Pro!
Germans for build quality and fit and finish Japanese for reliability. Nobody else. Electric vw sport wagon is on my list.
Yeah that new US spec VW Passat looks like a marvel of quality fit & finish. Also, are you throwing Mitsubishi vehicles of the past 25 years into that Japanese reliability category?
How's vw reliability?
But the Japanese have not stood out as that reliable of lately. Espeically their redesigned stuff. For freshly designed car GM is hard to beat the last few years their quality and reliability for a full line manufacturer is about as good as it gets.
Kyle drives a beige corolla or a vw polo.
Keith’s and Mike’s bad sound makes good video look bad.
Inductive charging!! Lol dont be so lazy.. they just need to seal the plug with the door so you dont need the cover
Hyundai is a weird choice but they'll probably make a better car for apple than a dedicated luxury car company
thats like apple sleeping with samsung
I WOULD LIKE TOYOTA TO PUT THE 1.6 FROM THE NEW YARIS IN TH E CH-R.
Jake 15 miles comment: I certainly dont want to have to plug in a car every time I drive.
Each person is different, I don't plug my Volt in every time I drive. And if I owned a full EV I would probably plug in once a week for my average driving.
If Jake's wife Prius is older and without remote to lock the doors and has to use a key in the door to lock and unlock everytine, plugging in won't take much longer. Plus most public charging stations are closer to business entrances or on first floor of parking garages so even less time would be wasted.
The concept of a plugin hybrid is an expensive waste with only marginal benefits. In tthe case of the Chrysler Pacifica, as a consumer, I would be better off with just straight hybrid if it would make feasible a return of the stow and go. What the true all E/V needs is a family of quick exchange power backs as a replacement for the petrol fill-up stations both with physical and electrical compatibility. E/V's are out of the question for customers living in dense multi-family dwelling units and fields of corn-row charing poles are just not going to happen. The exchange paradigm woul do away with range anxiety and confer a degree of protection from power pack related technological obsolescence!
The PHEV range is the biggest factor. Our 2018 Cadillac CT6 plug-in sees 40 miles on battery before engine comes on. With work and shopping no more than 12 miles away I never run out of battery. With electricity costing .05 cents a kilo watt I may use .25 cents daily as I plug-in at work for free.
Enough with electric already. Nobody I know will by one. How about Rav normal
I like my regular old gas RAV4. The mpg on the highway is the same as the hybrid. I don’t drive much in the city. I figure it’s cheaper in the long run. Hybrid resale value will be less, but they are $3k more expensive to purchase new. The gas model has more power on long hill climbs. It’s also lighter and handles better.
This Prime is ranked #5 out of 17 in the segment. Not very good as I'm sure the 200 advertised on autotrader at +$42-50K is scary people away from expensive economy suv.
We drove a Toyota Corolla hybrid and it was a dog. The car’s engine was very loud and had no pick up. The Prius Prime was terrible also with lackluster pick up and loud engine. I am not impressed by Toyota’s plug in hybrids although they sell a ton of regular hybrids.
1st
But Apple is a horrible company.
Apple is NOT a horrible company.
Worst proprietary stuff too!
Full white testosterone episode.
Totally agree, cancel these 3 for being white males, we need lgbtq poc reviewing cars.