Is The 2021 Toyota RAV4 Prime BETTER Than The Tesla Model Y? It's Closer Than You Might Think!
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 26 ก.ย. 2024
- ( duckco.com/tfl... ) In what may be a surprising piece of news for crossover buyers out there, the 2021 Toyota RAV4 Prime XSE costs nearly $50,000 - roughly the same as a Tesla Model 3 Long Range. The Toyota packs full-electric driving capability with a conventional gasoline motor and carries a legendary reputation for reliability, but does that actually make it better than the full EV option? Roman and Tommy compare the two in this video.
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My family always drives Toyotas . I don’t want to spend my life dealing with car issues. I want to actually drive my car and get to places and not have to sit on the phone with repair people.
I agree
Totally agree with you. That’s the whole reason we bought a 2022 RAV4.
I want peace of mind with my family car. I just want it to always work.
With my second vehicle that’s just for me sporty it can have issues but it will be fun to drive and I can park it when it needs repairs. No problem.
That’s why I went from owning dodge and VWs to owning 3 Toyotas. The only reason I have a ford is because Toyota doesn’t offer an f350.
It’s not hard to guess which vehicle makes those most trouble out of a 01 Tacoma, 15 tundra, 10 Camry, and 04 f350
I have a Tesla model three and is very reliable, don’t let the panel gaps make you think the car is less reliable because it isn’t
I agree with the point, got scammed by repair shop multiple times
We just purchased a Rav 4 Prime SE weather package, cloth seats
MSRP:
$41,667
Purchase Price:
$41,000 -$7,500 Federal Tax Credit = $33,500
10 year 150,000 battery warranty
4.5 hours charging from empty level 2
Toyota quality and reliability
No brainer $16,500 less than the cheapest model Y
Yes, Tesla is faster 0-60 mph but 5.7 seconds 0-60 mph in Prime will more than merge quickly enough on the freeway and beat out 95% of cars on the freeway.
Prime tows 2,500 lbs.
That federal tax credit alone makes a huge difference
@@mossm717 : Only if you pay taxes more then $7.5 k
That's a steal.
How do you get that tax credit? Is it available in California?
@@philippluklas
If when you file your tax returns, and your total payable tax liability is more then $7.5 k., then you can claim this rebate and pay less tax.
But at the dealer, you will pay the full price of the car.
Available in all states as it is a Federal Tax Credit.
13:22 tons of leg room, while he’s leg hangs out the car 😂😂😂
Don’t be so sure a Tesla guy wouldn’t buy this RAV4. I am a Tesla guy and I think this RAV4 Prime has some useful advantages...in the cold, in mild off-road situations, and in cases where long range is favored. A 42 mile all electric range is enough to cover my daily commute. I think your summary about Toyota becoming a technology company and Tesla becoming a manufacturing company is spot on. And this is good for EV adoption in general.
If the range of the model y isn't enough for your needs, you have to wait before buying an electric car lol
To be honest I feel like either or would be fantastic! Yeah the RAV4 is not as quick but then again the model y has less room so there's a definitely a bunch of trade-offs. I am a huge Tesla fanboy and the RAV4 prime is pretty dope!
slappyrats if only it was full electric.. it's the only drawback..
Also, the model y and RAV4 have pretty much the same cargo space
@@evhan Dude that would be so dope! Ohh that's good to know, I've been in a Rav 4 in person but not a Model Y. One thing I do want to note from the Rav 4 is that for some reason the door handles are really cheap feeling? They feel like a big hollow piece of plastic, it's weird that they would build something with cheaper materials when you touch that piece every time you get in and out of the car.
After 2 months of daily driving, I am getting 53 miles of EV range in my Prime. I live in a very flat area, plus using climate control (or not) influences the EV range. But with non-aggressive starts and mindful climate control usage, I'm getting well above the 42 EV range advertised. This seems to be a case of under promised and over delivered.
I just really like the relationship this guy has with his son. It's competitive mixed with love and respect of one anothers opinion. Now that is real relationship goals. Love.
The 42 mile battery range is sufficient for most people. I can go back and fourth to work and charge at night and go a long time before I use up all the gas in the tank. I really think hybrids are more technologically advanced than all electric vehicles. The engine charges the battery the battery runs the car and switches back and fourth as needed.
Ryan.... I just purchased a RAV4 Prime. A single word, Awesome. I have been able to get 51 range in all electric.
@@edj5532 hello, so basically, if u dont need to, u never use gas?
I just wish Toyota would combine IC with their superior hydrogen fuel cell technology for a clear winner!
Except you still polute the sky.
The big difference to me is Maintenance. An all electric car is stupid simple, almost no fluid, little moving parts. A hybrid has all the ICE components and oil, AND all the electric related stuff. That's scary if you plan on keeping the car 20 years.
idk why toyota plugin hybrids are not more popular, they really are the best of both worlds
IMO, Because the cars are ugly. Not sure why it’s so hard for corporate to make a sleek vehicle without absurd designs.
It's because they are fairly expensive compared to the rest of the car market.
As a Chevy Volt driver, I agree.
They are ugly. The RAV4 is uncomfortable the seats are like those ugly ass gaming cars. You have to lean forward to change the radio station.
It is a lot of money ,$50,000 for a Ra4
The Toyota makes way more sense for people that travel in their cars. You can use your Prime day to day without using a drop of gas, then have no issues with taking a trip to anywhere. No sitting around charging stations or planning your trip based around plug ins. It's a brilliant product that will help bridge the gap as we transition to EVs.
That's how most cars should be really. Full bevs aren't as good as a hybrid like the prime. Much much less added weight and just as useful for the day to day. On long trips the rav is less of a compromise cause there is no range anxiety.
It dose not tow 5k it's 2k 😂🤯 and it is closer to 6 seconds 0-60 and also hybrid are notorious for breaking down. The tesla has like 18 moving parts. The rav 4 has over 500 it has no internal cool for batteries. 3 engines witch in turn means more break downs. I would stay away till next rav 4 prime. Not to mention you leave the gas in too long it goes bad and will ruin you hybrid ask any hybrid owner 😂😂😂😂😂
Using it day in and day out with out Using the gas yoi put in will ensure when you do use gas the gas will be bad and ruin your engine. You need to use the gas or it will go bad. Gas can go bad in as little as 60 days 😳
general, pure gas begins to degrade and lose its combustibility as a result of oxidation and evaporation in three months, if stored in a sealed and labeled metal or plastic container. Ethanol-gasoline blends have a shorter shelf life of two months.🤔
@@kahless0173 what!!😂😂 gasoline is 6.3 lb per gallon plus a gas engine plus a transmission plus 2 electric motor 😅😅 plus gas goes bad in 60 days 🤔
This may sound corny but I love seeing the 2 of you getting along so great, father and son! I have a 5 yr old son and I hope to share something like that with him one day! Its also good that you guys know about cars! 😁👍🏾
Getting along!? Dad's cheating on legroom, against his own son?
Why is dad spreading his legs in the Tesla back seat and saying "there is tons of leg room", (otherwise his knees would hit the front seat) 😄
It was theater.
Son for the Toyota, Dad for the Tesla.
Yeah son is a Toyota guy and dad is Jeep / Ram guy
I'm surprised at how cramped Roman is in the back seat of the Model Y. It has a lot of room back there!
@@directorjustin Maybe it depends on how the front seat is adjusted?
Some Guy that is why the usual practice is “sitting behind yourself” and mention your height in the video.
I have had the base mode RAV4 prime since late August and LOVE it. Commute to work every day all electric and have been off road and on long camping trips. Have filled gas tank 4 times since I bought it. One thing to keep in mind, Toyota base model ~39K, with some upgrades and dealer add ons mine was closer to 44k BUT it qualifies for the full $7500 tax credit whereas Tesla = no tax credit. That and the off road capabilities clinched it for me.
Sadly that’s no longer the case.
@@yfzrdp-2454yeah, it’s brutal considering I think I’d prefer the Prime but now the MY is far cheaper (15k nearly)
Tesla is a better 2nd car for homeowners, Toyota is a better only car that does everything.
They stopped making the RAV4 Prime after 3 weeks. Nobody can get one. You can get anywhere in a LR Tesla. The only question is, can you charge it there. I recently went camping with mine. No opportunity to charge, not even by the little hydro electric dams, but I had enough range to get back, no problem, and of course they charge fast.
I thought the Tesla would be our second car until we realized we stopped driving our Toyota hybrid for the last year or so. Sold our Toyota and will be selling our Lexus soon too. Tesla is really like getting your first smart phone.
Only if you are an Tesla fanatic, since it’s hard to believe any normal person would pick a Tesla as his to go car. Well perhaps if you drive a car once per year you would go for it since it doesn’t really matter then
@@qqqwark I have 30,000 miles on my 2018 Model 3. I have no idea what you are talking about. Have you even ridden in one? Test drove one? Have you driven any electric car? Or is your opinion based on ignorance?
after trying to get a rav 4 and dealers insulting us with this much over msrp decided to go with the tesla,
😂Sonic the hedgehog , angry birds, Tommy’s reaction. Priceless.
Toyota has quality control from the factory, Tesla waits for the bits to fall off and ignores panel gaps.
I own a Tesla. You have no idea what you’re talking about.
@@davidmordecai9890 explain, belive it or not tesla has has been struggling just to keep their lights on and have multiple high execs leave teslas vehicles are not going get the traction they need currently its hybrids are the future
@@davidmordecai9890 As with any apple or tesla fanboi would claim
@@Pepsi69486 ? As he becomes the world richest man lmao
@@Pepsi69486 to be honest though, Tesla has auto pilot. & that for most people will be the biggest difference between Tesla and other companies
I love the son-dad car battle in this video 😂 Fun to listen to you guys thanks.
2 words . Ground clearance. I really like both but the RAV4 seems to be more flexible to real world demands.
@@markplott4820 Its a fkin truck, not crossover
@@markplott4820 Rather than spending more money on an already more expensive car i would just get the rav4 prime
@@markplott4820 that would seriously effect range.
Why is that at all interesting? Are the roads that bad where you are driving?
It's not the middle ages anymore, we have these things called tarmac roads which cars run on without needing the ground clearance of a horse and cart..
You guys missed some key tech that really drives the average Tesla buyer: 1) built in dash cam. 2) sentry mode. 3) autonomous driving capability that beats anything else out there, hands down, and 4) you touched on the Tesla app but really that’s a game changer for how you interact with your vehicle and 5) the Tesla will get better and smarter while you own it, the Toyota won’t. 6) Tesla has a nationwide supercharger network. 7) all electric means basically no maintenance. 8) what happens to gas that sits in the RAV4’s tank for a year? I’d still take a RAV4, but those are important points.
My M3 has already +40K km and my only maintenance was windshield fluid refill. Let's see cost of ownership after 5 years.
KnightSeven Yeah I own two model 3’s and can relate to the awesome ownership costs! But let’s be real, the cost of ownership on the RAV4 will be similar. Most people will drive it on electric, so oil changes are fewer and farther between. Toyota doesn’t understand how important regen braking is though, and therefore brakes will be on expense eventually. Honestly the RAV4 is a very compelling package.
@@grisa12345 It takes substantial pedal pressure to engage the friction brakes.
I’d definitely reject my delivery if I saw that misalignment! 🤦🏽♂️
I definitely not buy a Toyota even someone will hold a gun to my head. Toyota is years behind Tesla technology.
@@santieco I bet you would.
I thought the Tesla "bad build" reputation was not serious, but seeing that I thought it was like buying a lame donkey at a blind auction, when you thought you were getting a thoroughbred.
You can take delivery of the FUTURE or buy a piece of History or a Dinosaur like the Toyota that still drinks Dino Juice.
The Toyota is neither thoroughbred or purebreed , it is a mongrel ,a mix of BEV and Gasmobile
Even just the paint on the Toyota looks infinitely better.
I’m not sure how you can definitively say that in this case just by watching video on TH-cam, but okay
@@G_F1 You can see the difference in shine and gloss on the Toyota versus the tesla in the sun. Plus there's so many detail channels showing how bad the paint is on teslas.
After 10 carwashes it won’t if you don’t wash your car by yourself. People cares only the day they bought it
SDav21 Glad the European Model Ys will be made completely differently and painted differently to the US made version, to compete on the European market.
Iconoclasticnation, by the time Tesla finishes Berlin construction there won’t be any competition left to compete.
I’ve inquired all over my area to buy a RAV4 and the cheapest I’ve been quoted is $68,500 for an XSE Premium in Blueprint - the exact one I want. But we’re not going to pay $20k over sticker so my wife and I are looking to buy a Tesla Model Y now. This video came out at quite literally the perfect time for us
You need to report those dealers. Tesla resale value is awful. Electric cars don’t hold value. Also, the quality of the Tesla is very poor. Make sure to watch reviews and videos first.
Jordan Seaburn yeah we would lease a Tesla. Not going to buy one.
Nobody wants to pay over $50k for a Toyota. Lexus on other hand...
@@nhuff73 That is complete fiction. The Model 3 is reported to have the lowest depreciation of any car.
www.caranddriver.com/news/a33935142/tesla-model-3-depreciate-electric-car/
Ridiculous!
Take a trip from Pennsylvania to Florida and see who gets there first
That’s definitely the best test.
I'm going to agree with this challenge.
Also measure your satisfaction while driving every hour of it.
Dont need to have that test cz Toyota will win. but Gas engine will cost more than the fully electric
@@TChowdhury00 sure it would. But time saved may be more valuable.
And both brand starts with a “T” 🙌🏻
Tinh in nh and both bands end in “a”
Rennie Ash 🤝
And both brands are available in midlife-crisis red.
Buddy i believe that was mentioned
Toyota requires an emissions test 👎🏾
There world needs more plug in hybrids. That way people can drive around town in a clean vehicle, but wont be afraid to use that same vehicle for a road trip.
On a side note, I would like to see someone make a plug in hybrid truck that has the weight and electric power to pull at least as much as a 1 ton, but also has the ability to drive around town on full electric mode. I would buy that in a heartbeat
@@blakewilson7762 Back in the early aughts, Dodge was looking at a diesel electric hybrid that would do significantly more than that. Sadly they never got out of the prototyping phase.
And yeah, having driven a plug in Prius for 4 years now, I really love it. Have a charger in my garage, and one at my parent's place nearby. The Rav4 prime is more interesting to me than just about any other vehicle right now, as I really want to do a long roadtrip.
Plug in hybrids all the way! Funfact mercedes offers plug in hybrids in gasoline and diesel variants since 2013.. C and E class but not all markets
Yep, if the rav4 prime was just a bit cheaper and could tow 3500lbs It would have the potential to finally pull me away from diesel. (or rather I would prefer a tacoma or 4runner hybrid - but I think I could make do with a rav4)
I absolutely love that this would give me most of my day to day usage on electricity while living in society but still be practical for more remote work without electricity access (plus I just love toyota, my first car was one and I think I trust them more than most companies - although my current vw diesel is a trooper too)
Good towing, plug in, and off-road performance would all need to align for me to switch to a hybrid, but they are getting very close to a perfect vehicle. I'm putting away a quarter of my wages for the next few years to buy a new car, so maybe when I can actually afford one they will meet all my needs - they are close right now
PHEV's are so complex though. They need gas engine components, electric car components and components to integrate the two.
I was a Tesla guy. Was planning to buy a Model Y. But after recurrent build quality issues with my 2018 model 3, I’m now on the waitlist for a RAV4 Prime.
Saved up money after buying a Tesla? How much money do you have?
Toyota is gonna be very good in cold climate and for people who can drive electric in workdays and in weekend take longer road trips without supercharging
Problem is on cold days you won’t see anywhere near that 42 mile epa on the RAV4. Cold weather drastically impacts ev range. You’d probably be looking at closer to 20-25.
Leopold yes Tesla’s definitely see range drops in cold temps. Not 50%, but I’ve seen reports of people getting 65-70% of stated range due to various conditions. I owned and model 3 for the past year and can say from experience that unless you are driving in virtually perfect conditions and sticking to speed limits, you don’t get eve EPA. EVs seen much greater impact to the range than an ICE vehicle does when factoring these things in. Cold weather is obviously something you can’t control, so it will have a negative impact on range if you are driving in it.
I already see the Toyota Winning just from the way tfl are speaking
I think they’re exactly right in saying that Tesla is a technology company trying to be a car company, and the reverse for Toyota.
Speaking as a Prius Prime owner I’d say that, all in all, Tesla is doing considerably better at becoming a car company than Toyota is at becoming a tech company, *but* it’s more important that these be consistently-reliable cars than to be tech gadgets. So all in all, I think the two companies are running about even.
10:20 - Someone at Toyota would have to commit seppuku if Toyota had that type of body gap.
Funny 😂 but true..
Toyota is already committing SEPUKU by trying to peddle Fool cells, the only lease that thing with 6 years of "FREE" FUEL,the "sales "of FCVSARE down in Calif, ,nobody buys FCV when the fuel are next to UnObtainium
the car commits seppuku. they toss it out, at least at Suzuki.
What happens when you plug the charger into the outlet in the car and the charging port..... infinite power
Too bad Toyota can’t make enough RAV4 primes for us to even purchase outside of the west coast....
"can't"
They won't even make 5k they Don have the batteries they been promising rav 4 prime since 2019. Also it Doesn't tow 5k its 2,500lb . 🙋♂️
ZoidBurg they "can't" because they dont have the batteries.
@@fatbroadshorsefacedlesbian8619 agreed 👍
Well don't worry, you can still buy a Tesla haha
If you can’t buy the Toyota because of low supply- the question of which to buy is effectively pointless.
Incorrect
A R ...please elaborate.... In making a purchasing decision, why isn’t it pointless to pick a car that’s unavailable?
@@HarryKuloh Hahaaha. You just want to keep waiting till 2 years.
Toyota aims to build the perfect crossover
You get good ground clearance, AWD, plenty of cargo space, a gas motor, a hybrid motor, and an EV motor, over 300 HP, 38 MPG combined on gas, over 40 miles on EV, enough for a days worth of local driving, plus Toyota's dependability and resale for under $40k, plus a massive rebate
Towing capacity of the Model Y is 3500lb. There's a $1k Tesla towing package available right from the Tesla configurator.
Towing capacity of the RAV4 Prime is 2500lb, same as the RAV4 Hybrid.
Isaac Fortner I hope your not really considering towing with the Model Y. You’re range will be terrible and calling a tow truck for the trailer and car isn’t going to be cheap.
@@richardkraus6427 That entirely depends on what you want to do. Would I tow a travel trailer across the country with a Model Y? No.
Would I tow my 3000lb boat to the launch ramp just across town? Yes.
Range isn't really a factor in my area as charging stations are abundant, and my towing needs are short distances, but heavier than a RAV4 could handle.
Of course a pickup or gas SUV is going to be a better towing vehicle and less expensive in many cases, but I don't want to be stuck driving a truck all the time when I only need to tow in certain instances.
@Robert Blackford My typical towing trip is about 10 miles round trip. I'm really not worried about range.
@@isaacfortner if you're towing only 5mi then a Prius would be a better choice, dude you just want to buy a Tesla and now you're trying to justify it (sort of like a guy who buys a F150 and has no practical use for it)
@@dunhillsupramk3 A Prius can't tow 3000lb, that's my point. I don't need to justify anything, I like both of these cars a lot, but if I had to choose between ONLY these two cars, I'd pick the Model Y because it can tow my boat, and the RAV4 can't. Simple as that.
You can daily the rav4 and then go camping and make use of the battery as your off-grid power source.
Patricio Gomez you can do that in the Tesla too, only the Tesla has a much bigger battery.
Both cars can do that quite well. The main difference in terms of practicality is that the Tesla is all battery, which means you can use a lot more power (e.g. sleep in it running the AC for about a week), BUT you need the battery to drive which means ideally you need a way to charge it before arriving and shortly after leaving, adding some extra steps depending on how far you go. They both have pros and cons, where the Y has a mattress sized trunk (plus AC) to give a great benefit to car campers, while the Rav4 has less limitations around needing to rely on charging. Though if you camp at a place suitable for RVs, you may be able to plug both vehicles in which changes it up too.
@@lemongavine You need that big battery for the Tesla to drive ! The RAV 4 not so, empty the battery, then you still have gas to get to next electrical charger. WAY less hassle and WORRY.
@@sevencostanza3931 and plus it can work as a normal hybrid when all the ev range is depleted.. the gas engine and regenerative braking will charge the battery and you will still get phenomenal gas mileage. I still think people don't realize that..they think that once your ev range is gone you use gas only.
@@1asian1phone This RAV seems so fabulous, too bad Toyota only making 5000 ? this year I guess.
Maybe Toyota just wants to gauge the demand first before putting money into manufacturing more.
Our RAV 4 phev here in the UK gives us 55 miles in warm weather in EV mode, we love it.
Camera person needs to decide on a shot...giving me motion sickness
same here
Same here. Pls stop moving so much.
Literally just take a step back to have both of them in picture during their covo. We don't need face shots that up close lol. That camera gave me a headache
I noticed it after reading this comment n now I m getting mad and motion sickness..🥱
Or don't try to make the whe video in one take.
It's funny because you think, 50k for a Rav4, that's laughable. But 50k for a Model Y seems like a bargain.
It's laughable because you are not going to find one and if you do it will be marked up way more than 50k.
@@tonii5690 I just can't even believe people would pay that much for a Rav4. Markup for a Rav4 🤦
Toyota Rav4 is still affordable. Federal tax credit $7,500 and California CRVP $1,000. Free 2year ToyotaCare maintenance
My husband has a Y (previously drove a 4Runnee and a RAV4). I just got a RAV4 Prime. I like the Tesla. I LOVE the RAV4 Prime. Hubby forgot to plug his car in the other day. Didn’t realize he was low on charge till he got on a long bridge. He prayed the whole way over it. He made it. I wouldn’t have that problem in the PRIME.
$50K for a rav 4 is crazy.
Beyond crazy
How about one being more nicely equipped inside, having better reliability and closer service options, and a tax credit of 7500? The RAV4 Prime XSE meets all 3. Only argument against I've seen is that they're hard to find, or for those willing to pay a premium and spend time at the shop to own a lower carbon footprint as the MY.
Toyota is trying to pocket the $7.5k tax cradit
All of my Previous vehicles have been luxury brands (Mercedes, Jaguar, Porsche) and just the thought or buying a Toyota does not sound appealing.
Electric cars are so nice. No oil change, longer brake life, not much to maintain. Was Wax and Drive.
The part about longer brake life is true of hybrids and PHEVs too. Oil change frequency would also drop since engine is idle more often.
@@pdd3 Tell that about the oil change that bases it on miles traveled.
@BLACKVIEW USA I rarely use my brakes. Regen does a great job stopping my Tesla. Long time driver and been though many gas and diesel vehicles. So far my Tesla has been the hands down low cost to maintain vehicle for me. Yes it was kind of expensive to buy but my last Mustang GT cost almost as much. Needed oil every 6 months. I don't live in a large city. Might be harder on brakes then.
@Robert Blackford If you really care about a performance car you change it every 5k miles or twice a year. Spring and Fall.
You still have oil and oil filter to change in the Tesla.
“Tons is bold, dad.” 😂
Giving the people what they want.Thank's dudes.
Toyota will be SERIOUS competition for Tesla.
Sounds like it has a button for EV, a button for hybrid, and a button for gas only [ charges battery]. I'd use the charge mode for my camping trips to make sure the battery is full to use the outlets :D
It has those 3 buttons but also an auto ev/HV button that is very similar in behavior to the ev button. Either way it's going to use battery power until depleted and switch to hybrid. But in the auto mode it may switch to gas early.
Don't leave the gas in to long gas goes bad in under 2 months ish🙋♂️
@@X862go takes about 3 months, but the car forces you to use the gas when it senses the gas is stating to go bad
@@X862go No it doesn't. Due to the pandemic, I have hardy driven my Prius, and it still is on the same tank of gas I filled in March. It still runs just fine on 6 month old gas.
@@janbottorff4642 lol yes it does 🤣🤣 all gas goes bad so stop fooling yourself. I am an fully certified engineer with a masters.
Great video and you both hit the right notes on those last 4 minutes. As a retired guy and current owner of a Rav4 hybrid, that rarely drives more than 20 miles a day; but enjoys heading to the mountains (~200 miles round trip PLUS elevation gain) a few weekends a year in the summer, the Prime is looking very, very good. I love EVs, I love the environmental benefits, but don't care about the absurd performance numbers (I do not drive on tracks). Like junior says, "Musketeers" will not go for a half ass EV, much less a Toyota.
Tesla fanbois are a funny bunch
So the Tesla does 3 or 4 seconds to 60... lets be honest if you're buying a crossover does this really matter. I would want a vehicle with around 6 to 7 sec's to 60 but the range is the real king here and for me the Toyota is the best real world solution.
The Toyota still needs maintenance like any other ICE car. Tesla's don't.
You’re right..that was my thought too. Initially looked at RAV 4 Prime Plug-in but the availability is none in my area and don’t want to be gouged by the dealer wolfs. Also tired of oil/transmission/differential interval maintenances…still own Prius Hybrid & AWD-ICE cars… looked at Subaru Outback for room/AWD capability & Cross trek Hybrid for range but $$$ almost as much as Tesla model Y, it still needs an intenrval oil change + Gas…. just want to free from Gasoline-dependent & cut down the interval maintenance…looked at Nissan Leaf but it is so dated and no AWD…so Tesla model Y is the answer for wife’s car… test drove then ordered it on line (though the Federal refund is gone & only State $2500 + PGE $800 refund it s ok with me for a long run)...mine Y is a later VIN, has no fit & finish issues & 2 front Double-paned glass windows, AWD , 1000 mile free charge. I charge at home (house has Solar panels w/ batt. Backed up)
Ask trackhawk owners
@@mcplutt All cars need maintenance. If anything I can bet you that Toyota will have the least amount of problems if you compared it to a tesla
@@ryanwashere21 Yes, even a Tesla needs blinker fluid replacement :-)
I don't know why people are complaining about the Tesla interior. I think it's the best interior out of any car. Simple and functional.
So is my dorm room , simple and functional. I don't pay an arm and a leg for it. LOL
It's all preference. I guess I just like simplicity while some people like knobs and buttons.
It’s cool. But it’s definitely not the best interior of any car...
I would not say functional. Having every control of the car into that screen makes it a dangerous distraction. From a safety standpoint I often have to look at it for too long. Not functional at all.
Fair review. I have a model 3 and my wife gets her RAV4 in a couple weeks. I think it will be the better car. Anyone with a Tesla needs to admit there are negatives that drive us nuts. Any keep in mind: the range drops each year, and we effectively can't use the first and last 10% of charge on trips due to battery health and charge speed, so the range is frustratingly closer to 200 miles.
So how much range dropped on your model 3?
@@coffee702 when I bought the car in 2018, it showed 310 miles at 100%. 3.5 years and 20,000 miles later it shows about 290. Even that is under ideal conditions -- 80+ degrees and
Hey Tommy I am a Tesla guy and currently own two of them and I cannot find a rav4 prime And I want one more than anything
Did you find it? I like Tesla’s and was gonna jump on one but went with the Prime due to my work environment and crazy schedule. I like a wide variety of cars but figured for a first car I want a Toyota in my lineup.
Fisrt ever toyota is fast people want and they stop making them?
My grandma's Toyota Camry had the door release cables snap a couple of times. Tbf she owned it for 10 years before it broke.
I see pulbic transportation taxis in my country with 35 years old toyotas.
Holy crap, I've never thought about a RAV 4 before, but this thing looks excellent. Heaps of features, great performance, great range.
It's RAV4 BTW.
@@claytonjameshall7746 so not Rav 4, RAV,4 RAV-4 or RAV.4 either? Got it.
@@adam872 Yep. Just wanted to let ya now.
@@adam872 Have a good day/night!
It's like 4Runner!
I currently own my first Toyota, I feel like it is invincible
It is 🙂
I have a 2005 Toyota Avalon it’s the most luxurious car Toyota ever put on the road. It has 280k miles.
It still runs fantastic and everything still work supple leather and not torn and I have kids that Have been thrashin around in the backseat for 10 years. I’m not sure what kind of Toyota you got just change the oil every time. Mike do you plan to drive. Sounds like you do have an invincible vehicle what is it? If you say 83 Tercel I take it all back. LOL
I love my Toyota Prius. A lot of people say it ugly but I think it’s beautiful
Majid Almulla what year? spending le$$ on gas is indeed a beautiful thing
@@tinhinnh 2017
Hybrids are dead end tech. EV is clearly the future. Maybe you could make a case for a small gas generator for emergency charge.
@Robert Blackford that's a temporary problem that will be solved once EV surpasses ICE.
@Robert Blackford those are the early adopters. EVs are already economically viable in many cases and will soon be cheaper to buy as well as cost less to own than ICE. It's just the stages of technological advancement. EV is still in the early stages while ICE have peaked.
@Potato You're assuming equal rates of platform advancement in EV and Hybrid. Hybrid is pretty much stuck. EV are advancing much more significantly, becoming cheaper to build, already cheaper to operate, outperforming in some measurables and on track to outperform in the near future on almost all significant measurables.
Electricity rates will triple with all these Tesla jerks using it to drive EV cars.
I think these plug in electric hybrids are the real future. Smaller battery covers day to day and gas engine covers longer range. It makes more sense and you can make 10 of them with the battery of one pure EV. Also allows AWD with just one electric motor.
This video definitely needs to be revisited given the multiple price increases on the Model Y. A few things to consider on this video. Full disclaimer, we own a 2018 Model 3 and a 2012 standard Prius (still going strong).
1) The Model 3 and Model Y are not luxury vehicles as stated in the video. Tesla purposefully goes for a minimalist approach to the interior, which sort of conflicts with the standard of being a luxury vehicle. I can tell you as a Model 3 owner of nearly 4 years, the minimalist approach starts to get annoying after a while. Just to open the glove box is more complicated than it needs to be, having to press the car emblem on the screen and then look for the glove box button of a crowded screen full of buttons. And with Tesla's OTA upgrades, sometimes the glove box button can get moved on the screen. Very annoying and unnecessary. We did get to drive a Model X recently as a loaner and it just had a standard button next to the glove box which was great. Why they don't do this in all of their vehicles is beyond me.
2) We have the long range Model 3. Though it is "rated to 315-ish" miles, we have never personally experienced this much distance. The most we have gotten on a full, 100% charge is about 280 miles. The rated miles is typically achieved on a track and not under normal conditions such as uphill driving or needed moments of acceleration to get around drivers.
3) Tesla is Bush league when it comes to delivering a vehicle without issues. Go online and you'll get plenty of stories of people receiving their car with multiple defects. We personally experienced this ourselves. Great car to drive, but only after dealing with the poor execution of delivery and subsequent visits to the service center to fix said defects.
4) Tesla really shined when the rebates were available, which no longer exist accept on a diminished, state-level scale.
Again, I really like our Tesla, but this Rav-4 has me considering alternatives. Especially since a Model Y is so expensive now.
The Toyota Rav4 starts at a hell of a lot less money for the lower trims.
RAV4 Prime starting price $38,100, Model Y $49,990 = $11,890 difference, yeah pretty significant. I like my TDI Sportwagen way better for the price :)
Waited to comment until watching the full video. But the fact that they focus on price point but failed to mention that the Tesla no longer qualifies for the $7,500 tax credit is a major omission.
@@BrianLampright913 model y starts at 39990
@@jakehardy5997 this week it does, Tesla recently reduced range to a week 240 miles and it’s only 2wd for that price. if you can live with that...when this video was released Tesla didn’t offer this variant
Model Y is ten grand more and doesn't have the Rav's heated steering wheel, Android Auto, sun shade, kick sensor, cooled seats, AC inverter, heads up display, spare tire, blind spot monitor or even garage door opener. Model Y also struggles to get 200 miles in the winter on the highway.
Cool but you wanna factor in the Tesla tech? Auto pilot? Alright then✌🏾
This is the performance model Y. The basic one starts at around 50K. Model Y is definitely the better bank for the buck. VW ID 4 starts at 39K and offers quite good features for the money. Plus no ICE maintenance and extra complications of a PHEV.
Loaded Rav4 is 49K minus 7.5K = 41.5K. Cheapest Y is 51K with no rebate and Performance is ten grand on top of that. The Tesla is a cool car but it is a terrible value given how many features it lacks. Saying it has better "tech" is meaningless. Their autopilot has the highest rate of false brake events on the highway, your phone only gets basic bluetooth integration with no Waze, and no heated wheel is absurd for an efficiency minded vehicle that's controlled entirely by a capacitive touch screen.
I'm a tesla owner... the beautiful thing about plug-in hybrids... it's a fantastic way to get people to install electric chargers at home, and to also start to understand the electric lifestyle.
It really does prime (pun!) people for the electric experience. I had a Ford Fusion Energi before I went full EV, just cause it was a significantly cheaper purchase. Even with only 20 miles of range I barely touched the gas engine, it really opened my eyes to how overblown the range discussion is and how much I like driving in that smooth quiet electric mode. Additional bonus was being a plug-in it surprisingly kept its resale value when I decided to go full electric.
If the new Teslas were all autopilot full time, I could understand just having a touchscreen as the only interface, but besides that, I think it's dangerous to be having to focus on the screen to look for settings while driving. The RAV4 (I just bought a 2019 XLE) has a few touchscreen functions, but a majority can be done on the steering wheel and with physical knobs and buttons. The Teslas don't even provide a HUD to show your speed, you have to look over to the screen.
Hello. Tesla Model 3 driver here, you get used to leering over at the speedometer quickly, and you forgot to mention voice commands. Tesla is constantly updating our cars and adding new and useful voice commands. You really should test drive sometimes. It’s a great experience. Anyway, congrats on your new car!
The speedometer is completely visible from peripheral vision without looking away from the road, I was concerned about that but it's a non issue. As far as touchscreen goes, pretty much everything I would do while driving (AC/heat/navigation/etc) can be done from the voice commands, and volume has its own knob. I was pretty resistant to it at first, and if there was a climate knob option I definitely would have taken it, but in practice I haven't found myself ever needing to touch the screen while driving, and when I do it's always in auto pilot (or stopped).
Yeah but that Toyota makes you take your eyes off the road to look over to the upper middle of the windshield all the time to see what's behind you.😉
Toyota : A respected car company. Tesla : A car company ran by a lunatic. No thanks, I'd take the Toyota. I know if I get a rear ding in the Toyota, it won't take months and tens of thousands of dollars to fix.
I actually shopped both of these but in the end the cost was a factor. The lowest cost Tesla model Y is now 63k with a 4.8 sec 0-60 while the lowest cost Toyota Rav4 Prime SE ends up being 35k after State and Federal rebates with a 0-60 at 5.7 sec. For my daily commute and trips around town I can easily stay under the 40-50 miles of EV range on the Rav4 prime and only end up filling the tank ever 3 months or so to accommodate some longer trips. While I may consider an all electric car in the future, the Rav4 Prime is a great crossover that lets people transition to the electric world because it has flexibility.
This question is irrelevant since Toyota refuses to make the Rav4 Prime in any significant volume. Almost impossible to find a Rav4.
Toyota is testing the waters, their probably hoping people will get excited
@@macberry4048 Toyota's own CEO has spoken against electric vehicles so I have little hope for Toyota getting serious about EVs under the current leadership. They just look to do the minimum to meet compliance requirements in California and a few other states.
I love the dynamic between you two. You're honest about strengths and weaknesses over both cars.
My prime does 58 miles on a fully charged battery. Admittedly, mostly backroads and very little altitude difference but still...this car surprises me every time. It is, for now at least, the best choice if you don't want to depend on charging points along the road in order to get to your destination. The prime get's me to work (About 37 miles) fully electrically where I can charge so I haven't visited a gas station since the day I picked it up from my local dealer (January 12th 2022). Very comfortable, quiet and always a lot of fun to outperform a Beamer or any other fast looking car in a family SUV after the light turns green! Built to last and in my humble opinion also an eye catcher as far as looks are concerned.
If you do own a Prime be sure to add STABIL or empty your tank every other month .
RAV4 will last and reliable 10x more than Tesla
Can MTB At least....
Great as usual guys. Really keep it moving, good shooting, audio, pacing, and information we can use. This video checks all the boxes as always.
It’s usually other way in families. Fathers like the Toyota and sons like Tesla.
Faster is boring ,son is fun car
Toyota doesn't update your software while sitting in the driveway.
Toyota doesn't need to.
Not J - your car gets faster and better with free updates while you sleep. My X is a better car today than it was 4 years ago.
Tesla is safer.
@@notj5712 Not true, every recent new car gets software update. The difference is that Tesla does it over the air, for others you have to go to the dealer service.
Does Tesla update your panel gap width over the air?
Honestly these are the exact cars I was debating between, thanks for the review
What did you choose?
@@DUNGSTA Model Y
Bad choice
@@kingbutters2721 what?
@@DigitalSteel bad choice
5:06 "good old fashion dino juice" 🤣 🤣
A new Tesla Model 3 lost 5% of its value in the last three years. The RAV-4 lost over 40%. No comparison in cost of ownership.
theyre only putting 5000 rav4 primes into production this year so value will barely depreciate
What about when the batteries in the Tesla Model 3 are 6-8 years old and degraded and outdated? Some will lose supercharging ability since batteries are unsafe to fast charge after a certain amount of cycles. Telsa just shuts cars off software wise and you lose that option. It will lose range with those older batteries to. The big one is when Tesla brings in a new battery chemistry. I heard they were working on dry cells and maybe super capacitors to take initial bursts of power. With the first generation Model 3 people won't want that old battery as much as they will want the new one. So that will likely drive the value way down on current Tesla's.
@@practicalguy973 Million mile batteries coming soon.
@@practicalguy973 Its like 5k to repalce the battery after 350k miles
Cant compare a non-Prime variant of the Rav...
I really wanted the Prime but couldn't find it anywhere, Ordered the Model Y long range instead.
Pei Wu You won’t be disappointed.
Nah tesla over rated. Toyota will never let you down. And hey just do you know they are not fully self driving so be ready to take over if on autopilot. Tryna save a life. I don't hate tesla I'd just rather have a toyota. What I do hate is people who don't know anything about there own car. Not saying you dont, just please it's not self driving
@@Jaytwelveinatruck my family all drive toyotas. I had a 97 camry, traded in for 02 highlander which is still in decent shape. Got a 09 sienna when I had 2 kids. Wanted a new car to replace the highlander. I really wanted to get the prime because I really like the new design and is almost the same size as my highlander. Too bad only 5000 were produced.
@@grisa12345 I test drove the performance model Y, it's crazy car. Even the long range model, 0 to 60 at 4.6 seconds is too fast for me as a sienna driver.
@@Jaytwelveinatruck "Toyota will never let you down." Never mind ridiculously low production numbers or price gouging. Tesla is not perfect, but glass houses, my friend; glass houses...
I was in the market for a new vehicle. Was looking for a SUV Crossover and had my eyes on the RAV 4 Prime. When I found out the price and there was no budging on it plus I might have to pay a premium like in a bidding war on a house, I lost interest. I had a budget of 50K but the bidding war would bump it up way over that. I walked away from the dealership telling the guy I was no longer interested.
I went and bought a base Model Y instead with the 19 inch wheels. Couldn't be happier with the tech that came with the car at that price. The driving dynamics is awesome in terms of handling and acceleration. The instant torque is insane! Even if you are cruising at 60 mph then floor it, your head will snap back into the headrest and before you know it you'll be at 90 or more.
Had an electrician install a NEMA 14-50 240 volt outlet in the garage. Now I just plug the car charger in when I get home and set it to charge at off peak hours. Car will charge overnight and in the morning I am good to . Haven't had to visit a supercharger yet. All daily drives are covered by home charging. Got delivery on 9/25. Today is 10/26. It has 2100 miles on it already.
If I am not driving it, our two sons take over hence the high mileage. But it is well worth it. We are getting our money's worth.
2500 towing capacity on the Prime - great review and the supersonic red on the RAV4!!
@@markplott4820 totally, and you might be able to travel 150 miles before needing a recharge.
"The Tesla doesn't have paddle shifters" LOL
The TEsla doesn't have an engine either.
You need gears to shift if you want paddle shifters. 😀
I literally go days without touching the Display in my Model Y. I use Voice Commands for every funtion, Heat, Air Conditioning, Infotainment, Mirrors, Seat Heat, Music Selection and on... As an example, Windshield Wipers 1, Windshield Wipers Auto, Windshield Wipers Off, Play Simon and Garfunkel, Drivers Seat On (high heat), Drivers Seat Level 2 (medium heat) (all seats front and rear function this way), Temperture 75 degrees, Dome Light On/Dome Light Off), Defrost On/Defrost Off, Rear Window Heat On/ Rear Window Heat Off, Display Easter Eggs, Fold Mirrors/Unfold Mirrors, Call "Name", Text "Name" (You can verbally dictate the text), Dog Mode On/Dog Mode Off, Rear Camera On/Rear Camera Off, Open Calendar/Close Calendar, Open Web/Close Web, Open Games/Close Games, Camp Mode On/Camp Mode Off, the list is almost endless....
@@meanboy2000 I think the RAV4 carries a CVT transmission. In that case the RAV also doesnt have any traditional gears to peddle shift. It's just for the sporty vibe, it doenst add any performance benefits..
Roel Hoogeveen I was referring to the Tesla. All ice cars I know have transmissions. Cvt transmissions have a low gear.
I'm sold on the Rav4 Prime 👍. Living in Kansas and driving 70 something miles one way to work and another to home. Rav4 Prime is what fits my needs.
Tesla vs Toyota which need more services and will last longer? Rav4 would my choice.
Not really, old Prius are too expensive to fix. Still see plenty model S with 200k miles for sale.
@@martialman.4563 Ever wonder why they're for sale?
@@rufusmainwaring3513 no
@Robert Blackford mine has not.
Everyone seems to fail to mention that NONE of the Tesla “crossovers” offer a Rear Windshield Wiper. A necessity where Winter climates are present, not to mention a lack of a heated steering wheel. Outrageous for a vehicle in that price range...
Model Y will get heated steering wheel.
A necessity? Many vans & trucks have no rearview; side mirrors are a necessity.
I live in Norway, have been driving for 8 years now, never once intentionally used the rear wiper on a car, have had a range of cars, VW Passat Estate, Chevy suburban, Subaru Legacy ++
@@Kim.Kaland I absolutely use the rear wiper in Norway. Why shouldn't I?
Rear wiper is great but not below freezing.
5000 - what’s the point. Cost of ownership? Still buying fuel. Seems to me that a hybrid, no matter which one has twice the potential to break because there are double the power sources.
Plug in hybrids are a bridge product before they either go full EV or fuel cell in the future (see the mirai). Toyota doesn't have the battery/EV infrastructure like Tesla, so they make smaller batteries in more hybrid cars. Additionally with limited access to electric charging stations in areas, this lets you charge at home but switch to gas/hybrid if needed. The video even says the prime has a 600 mile range gas/electric while the tesla only offers 300 which is not convenient for road trips
7.5k federal tax deductable + 1.5k california refund + 1k socal edison refund. Total discount of 10k. You got an SUV with bells and whistles and the most reliable car = toyota. you will probably almost not going to buy fuel if you drive 40miles back and forth.
Potential to Break! At least with Toyota you would never have to worry about that.
you do realize that toyota Rav4 hybrid has far better reliability record than any tesla right?
@@haihengh That is actually incorrect. People forget that Hybrid batteries are air cooled while Tesla batteries are liquid cooled. This is one of the main reason my friends Lexus RX-450h hybrid ate the hybrid battery at just over 100k miles while my Model S is still reporting over 90% battery life with over 115k miles.
Toyota Hybrid's all suffer from the Nissan Leaf syndrome, air cooled batteries will self destruct in any southern state that gets hot, especially AZ, NV and TX which tend to get really hot. My friends hybrid that self destructed was in FL.
Both are leading companies. One from the past and the other from the future. I think I would go for Tesla
@Vic Neighbors "...once you go electric, you can never go back to ICE engines." Exactly!
I had a vision that Tesla was at the top with many other brands. But Toyota was too. Maybe basketball players from the past retire after many years in their prime but car manufacturers will adapt.
My family owned a Toyota that had a door lock get stuck shut. It was the drivers door meaning to get in and out of the car you had to climb across from the passenger side. It definitely happens to Toyota too.
Lol, so true as I forget my Tundra can’t be unlocked on the passenger side...
The slowest horse can win the race too, but I wouldn't bet on it.
It happened to my dodge ram drivers side door, but it took 7 YEARS later for that issue to happen.
Not criticizing, but how new was your Toyota? the thing that makes the Tesla's issue so astounding is that it's basically brand new.
brand new out of the Toyota factory like this Tesla Model Y? I'm guessing not.
I think the Toyota RAV4 Prime is amazing. I'm trying to decide between this and the Jeep Wrangler 4xe. I know the Toyota is a better vehicle, but I'm looking for a full offroad vehicle with good mileage and decent range which the RAV4 doesn't quite do like a Jeep. I wish Toyota would come out with a Tacoma prime which would kill not only the Jeep Wrangler 4xe but also possibly a future Jeep Gladiator 4xe. A Tacoma Prime and Tundra Prime could also possibly take over the service fleet market as well.
There was one Prime XSE in my area, without the premium package - so no pano roof, no fast charging. The dealer marked it up to $60K.
Just ordered same model here in Canada for $52,000 CAD (about $39k USD)
@@James-il3tq The car they have is the XSE Prime with the Premium Technology Package. That package is a $5400 option so the total price would be $57,000 CAD, not $52,000...
@@redbaron6805 Have to be insane to pay close to 60K for this thing. Get the VW ID 4 for 39K minus 7,500 tax credit. No need to deal with the ICE and the extra complications that can go wrong.
@@James-il3tq how long did it take you to get?
My girlfriend recently moved from Boulder, CO to Cupertino, CA and you know what she saw too many Teslas around there and ha - she chucked out 50k for a Rav4 Prime just to be hippier than the Teslas in the Silicon Valley.
Great video btw guys !
Didn't they sell like a million rav4s already...
No matter how the RAV4 Prime compares to the Tesla, nobody can seem to find one to purchase.
Simple price comparison: for the difference between Tesla and Toyota prices, you can buy Toyota (or almost any comparable car) and drive it for 26 years! Don't thank me!
Shh... the sheep cant comprehend math
Tesla buyers are just tree hugging suckers. It makes no economic sense to drive a EV ,except to show -off , colleagues and relatives and friends.
It only took 4 weeks, love the honesty. I subscribed
I just did too.
RAV4 when battery goes to 0, you can put the car into charge mode where gas kicks in and at the same time it’ll charge the battery up. You don’t necessarily have to wait to charge at home or a charging station. Use your gas , cycle through your gas and charge the car up that way too.
RAV4 won by having volume knob and climate control knob.
Model 3 has a volume control on the steering wheel.
Granted no physical control for climate control, but use voice control instead to adjust temps.
@BLACKVIEW USA Like Roman says, Tesla wins, you can actually get one.
@Robert Blackford Errr. On my Model 3 the left scroll wheel adjusts volume at any time. I do not need to touch the screen to enable that from drive to drive.
Does the RAV4 have AWD?
@Robert Blackford "But you still have to go into the data screen to activate the knob as a volume control." This is factually not true; the left scroll wheel (up/down) on the steering wheel is ALWAYS volume unless you are actively making seat/mirror adjustments which you shouldn't need to do while driving given the 10 driver presets. You are either unfamiliar with operating and living with a Tesla (in which case you sure have a lot to say about something on which you are so poorly educated), or you know what you stated was inaccurate and you're lying.
I don't throw out the word "lying" casually because lying requires intent which is difficult if not impossible to assess, but this "volume" example is one of the simplest things and is so obviously incorrect that either there is no way you can be familiar with a Tesla (in which case why should anyone listen to you on the subject of Tesla) or you are familiar with its operation, know what you stated is inaccurate, and you're lying (in which case why should anyone listen to you at all).
Mechanical simplicity, modernized style and no oil change makes the Model Y my choice
Yup. I've had my Model 3 for a year and a 1/2 and I love never having to gas up, bother with oil changes; only have had to use the brakes a handful of times; gets updated sitting in my driveway; no exhaust, etc.
You still have oil to change and oil filter in the Tesla
@@HN-ny8ye the motors do have oil but are sealed
@@universantos Its has oil and filter attached to it and needs to be changed at some point. You probably never worked on a car before so won't know about this stuff
@@HN-ny8ye Unlike gasoline cars, Tesla cars require no traditional oil changes, fuel filters, spark plug replacements or emission checks.
Great comparison. Here in California, being eligible for rebates and carpool lane stickers is essential. RAV4 Prime and most of the Tesla Y model quality but there are limited rebates and caps on the numbers of stickers. RAV4 is close to the first gen Highlander in size and performance possibly faster but I'd still prefer a V6. Tesla Yuppie "Y" is a good size too more compact than Gen "X' Tesla.
I'd take the RAV4 TRD. Bummer it doesn't come in hybrid form. Like range plus mileage of hybrids vs limited range of electric only. Would only look at the Prime if there was enough of a tax rebate 42k (50k-7.5k rounded) is still too much when TRD starts at 37K.
For others 50k isn't a barrier and RAV4 Prime is more nicely appointed and better built than many of the luxury hybrids from BMW or Mercedes and a step above the electrics which is mostly Tesla. Great sleeper luxury car too that won't stand out. I expect RAV4 Prime and Tesla resale value to hold better than the luxury brands too.
Nice video! Just got my Prime XSE and it is awesome, but the Tesla interior and infotainment is indeed quite something I’d like to have...! But here in Canada the Prime has great subvention and the cost difference is HUGE like almost half the price of the model Y. I look forward for your next video, cheers
Not sure where you are getting that from. The Prime XSE they are reviewing here is $57,000 in Canada and the Model Y is $69,000. The Model Y is $12,000 more, but I don't see that as being half.
@@redbaron6805 not half indeed but quite close, I paid the XSE with taxes 48800 (not the XSE tech, but quite comparable except the moonroof) which includes a 13000 gouvernement rebate (quebec plus Canada). The model Y starts at 80k$ with taxes and no rebate to my knowledge, which means R4P is 60% of the cost of ModelY
@@PicardBenoit There is a $5000 rebate in Canada as far as I know for the Model 3, but the rebate has a cap of $45,000. And I'm not sure why you think the Model Y starts at $80,000 as it it starts at $69,990, as seen here:
www.iphoneincanada.ca/tesla/tesla-model-y-price-drop-6000-canada/
@@redbaron6805 it's 2022, and I can confirm the Tesla Model Y costs 95k tax in. The Rav 4 XSE with Technology package( fully loaded) costs 56k tak in after 13k of government rebate, i live in quebec. The gap is getting even wider.
@@babyganga8786 I can confirm that claim is literally fiction.
"Now the automaker has finally raised the price in Canada, but “only” by $1,000. Anyone ordering a LR Model Y tonight in Canada will now be paying $70,990, up from $69,990 earlier today."
Great video. My problem with both cars simply is monumental cost. I see the RAV4 Prime and the Model Y as rich man playthings that cannot in any reasonable frame of mind be justified because of economy, gas or electric savings; for the purpose of replacing a perfectly functional car that even might be a gas guzzler. Think of how long the pay back would be, especially with a huge loan, and in the case of the Toyota, dealership rip-offs and surcharges not only in buying the vehicle but in maintaining it with outrageous costs for scheduled oil and filter changes, spark plugs and radiator flushes. This is from a cranky ex-Prius owner.
There is a cheaper version of the Rav4 Prime around $40k. You don't have to get the version that they are test driving. Also, I expect prices will come down for the Toyota once the Fed tax credit expires. Toyota isn't going to price it cheap and leave that much money on the table. Especially with low production.
Tesla will come out with a slightly smaller and cheaper version. I expect a small crossover/hatchback. Battery costs still dropping rapidly so EVs will be more and more competitive.
You're concerned about the cost because the social cost of carbon emissions is something you don't pay... yet. The expected annual cost of climate change is 1.9 trillion dollars. The US has curbed emissions by 17% because part of the population realized in the long run it's cheaper to buy more expensive cleaner vehicles. Unfortunately, we find ourselves in an entirely predictable prisoner's dilemma.
@@jonathansage2147 I certainly agree with you concerning carbon emissions - ideally all new cars must head to being electric and or fossil fuel free - indeed we should have a tapering fuel consumption requirement that will eliminate fossil fuel dependence. What is the irritating part for me is the consumption aspect, is my thinking that I have to get a new something shiny that has guilt-free carbon impact to replace a perfectly functional automobile. Besides the emissions required to build any car, electric or not, and the environmental impact of disposing the old gas one, the problem is the constant need we all have (myself especially included) to self-indulge, to spend, when we should be looking at our retirement future My thought is, if it isn't broke, don't replace it quite yet; but if it is time to get a new car, then see it as an investment in the future of our planet.
I'm leaning toward the Rav4 Prime for the build quality and never ever worry about range. The Model Y range would meet 95% of my driving needs. But that 5% is going to have me forever worried.
I'm leaning toward the Model Y for the same cost, the cabin simplicity, and most of all, the free continuous improvement to the Model Y over time.
So, I'm going to wait a bit more for the Model Y to cover the gap with the Rav4 prime on better build quality and range.
The prices on the Tesla climbed substantially into the low 60's range where as the Rav4 Prime SE ends up being mid 30's once you factor in the tax rebates so really price isn't comparable at all.
It is now with Tesla price drops.
I own the 2021 RAV4 Prime XSE Premium but in Metallic Gray. It’s the same car and features as the one in the review. It wasn’t that hard to get but there was some luck as it’s only available in 12 ZEV states this year. So I’m the only one I know of in Texas that has one. The car is awesome and in 10 years I will jump into full electric when their is more advanced in battery technology. Until then the RAV4 Prime checks off all my boxes of the things I needed and wanted. Yes self driving and a 3 second car is cool but I had more important needs and Tesla is more for early adopters right now.
You get it in Texas? Any tip? The limited release is pretty garbage, this thing would sell like hotcakes otherwise. This is cheaper than Tesla and gets the full tax credit. Only the base model is needed for under 40, the premium features are meaningless and the extra cost is not worth it just to get the faster charging rate.
Congrats. I also got one, same colour as you, in Montreal, Quebec. $13000 government rebate.
@@_PatrickO The Premium XSE is 100% worth it
Dad and son working really well together ❤ 👏. Thank you for doing this comparison and always honest reviews. I really like what Toyota is doing with all of their vehicles starting 2021. Tesla is very exciting but I will wait 5 to 10 more years.
Why don't you wait another 20-30 years? You know just to be double dog sure.
@@JeanPierreWhite He won't wait 20 years because Toyota will be out of business by then if they stick to the gas hybrid and fuel cell strategy 😉
@@Brad-sb1dk
Is that so?
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Sure the Tesla might be faster 0-60 but when it comes to build quality and reliability the Toyota wins. I also like the idea of being able to go on long road trips and not having to worry about range and stopping for long charges.I also like that the Toyota has real buttons unlike the Tesla were you have to do everything thru a screen.
It makes more sense on many levels, even today.
Tesla doesn't have as many moving parts. Toyota will begin to "nickel and dime" you like all ICE vehicles after a certain point. Tesla will just keep on going...with less range, but a lower cost of ownership nonetheless.
I'm just concerned about the complexity of the drivetrain on the Toyota. Seems like it has a lot more failure points than an EV or regular ICE
Jean Serrano Agreed. You’re taking the complexity of the ICE engine and now combining it with all the “unknowns” people want to claim about EV batteries, motors, etc.
@Robert Blackford Exactly. People like to say, "double the engine, double the complexity, double the troubles. " When in reality, the Prius are among the cheapest to maintain and incredibly reliable. They've been making them for 23 years and have proven themselves over and over again. www.yourmechanic.com/article/the-most-and-least-expensive-cars-to-maintain-by-maddy-martin But why should facts get in the way of a good rant that sounds logical?
@Robert Blackford You need to look a little deeper to get relevant reliability information for a Model Y. CR did its reliability "study" based on the brand as a whole. The two biggest repair issues were the auto-presenting door handles (Model S and X) and the Model X super complicated falcon-wing doors; both of these represented a large portion of "reliability issues" and neither are present on the Model Y. This was also done at a time when those models (S & X) were the vast majority of Teslas as the Model 3 had just begun deliveries within the prior year. The MY hasn't been out long enough to have reliability data so the best proxy is the M3, and everything I've seen on that is good on reliability and on EVs in general there just isn't much to fail that will leave you stranded roadside. That being said, I've been a Toyota guy most of my driving life; my first car was a Celica, I've owned two Corollas and two Priuses (Pri'i?), one of which I still own. All but the Celica, which was my first car and pretty high mileage, have been pretty solid.
I think you have to give the benefit of the doubt to Toyota on the reliability category at this stage due to their huge overall body of work, but it doesn't look like there's a big delta between the two when you look at Tesla's less complex vehicles (M3 & MY); and when there is enough data to properly adjudicate the question, it may turn out that the much less complex full EV drive train wins out.
With the Rav 4 Prime it still qualifies for the $7500 tax credit - significantly lowering the price of the Toyota. For the Tesla Model Y and other Teslas there are no tax credits available.
Reminder Toyota still qualifies for full $7500 Fed tax credit, and Tesla doesn’t, which makes RAV4 Prime much more affordable than Model Y
Tesla qualifies for $5000 rebate in NJ.
The Toyota has two major things going for it. First and foremost it's still eligible for the $7500 federal tax credit and up to $1500 state tax credits dropping the price by up to $9k. While we are in the topic, it's worth noting the RAV4 prime starting msrp is $38,100, which is already a good deal cheaper than the model y.
Next, I think it's still more attractive for many buyers to have the option of using gasoline. Range anxiety is a very real thing, especially in colder climates. Having the peace of mind that you have a gas station on every corner, or that you can be bailed out by a buddy or AAA with a can of gas is invaluable. I know the supercharger network is immense and I fully believe in it but not all people buy into all electric immediately and this type of vehicle is a good bridge for that.
The bad news is I think the US is only getting 5k of these and Toyota has allowed them all to states that offer that additional subsidy. Will be interesting to see if we see more as the years go on or what Toyota has planned.
But you can't get one because it's made of unobtanium. West Coast dealer are asking as much as 20k over MSRP. (When they have them)
@@ctuna2011 call Servco Toyota in Hawaii. Place your order, put down 3k, refundable, and wait for the call. Once it’s on the ocean, fly to Hawaii, check in a hotel,, pick it up and have fun. Then have Matson ship it to LA. You’ll be 10k ahead in the long run, with a free vacation.
Doesn’t RAV4 come with $7,500 federal tax credit too? That significantly increases the price difference
Yep and you can usually get more off from the state , the power companys, and local clean air boards . And those apply to the Tesla even though the fed ones don't
You mean the price difference that will be eaten away by dealer markups? Dealers are marking up the RAV4 Prime for $10K over MSRP!
@@korswe uhh.... It's call just wait
How could the rav4 qualify? I think Toyota has sold more than 200k cars.
moebees. Sadly, Toyota has not sold enough EV’s or plug-in EV’s in its past and will not likely tp do so presently or in the near future as Toyota is still boneheaded enough to keep making hydrogen fuel cell Mirai’s.
Great video you guys. I was running some of my own numbers, then bought a Leaf and realize 42 miles is plenty for day to day stuff. I think I would go with Toyota since tax credits still available, and, we have a dog, and we park on the street all the time.
The Tesla is really nice and modern but I am too afraid to scuff it.
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