You can definitely tell how much more control Tim Burton had on this movie than the previous film. The previous film had a mix of Tim Burton's visual flair and Batman combined, but this movie feels solely like a Tim Burton movie
This is why I love watching your shows kristian because you, Coy and Winston know not to bash on what people like and dislike and that u all shed new light onto things especially with theses movie rewatches cause there are things I never knew or even thought about before and it's cool to see them in a new perspective
Movie World on the Gold Coast here in Australia had a Batman Returns ride in the 90s which was absolutely amazing. You walked through a full scale Wayne Manor and Batcave, then jumped into a Batmobile simulator and fought the penguin. It was next level. And for that reason and that reason alone I will always love this movie!
I saw this as a 4-year-old at a drive-in. I will always remember sitting on top of my parents' car watching this movie and being scared to death, but I loved it. I had all the toys and got it on VHS for that Christmas. It's weird bc my folks were very protective of what I watched as a kid. Somehow this and 89 slipped under their radar.
I’m in my mid 20’s, I remember watching this movie when I was like 8 years old and I really enjoyed it. Now watching it as an “adult” I can see all the bad in it but I still find things to enjoy. I am excited for the next 2 film cause I feel they are even better to watch as an adult and just laugh. Been loving all the shows and I’m always excited to watch a new episode
Loved the discussion Kristian! Loved this movie as a kid, it made an impact on me, I had never seen anything like it. Probably my first superhero comic book movie. As an adult I appreciate it even more. A lot of the adult stuff went right over my head when I was 8/9 years old and now I can totally tell how this was not for kids but it has a special place in my heart. My favourite Batman movie.
I appreciate the top down production on these films. The cinematography, set design, costumes, props, everything is designed and had thought put into it. Very little- if anything on screen is store bought.
Personally, I feel the two Tim Burton movies Gotham City art direction / production design are the closest to the comics. So now I have a better appreciation of them as adult and fan.
GREAT EPISODE!!! Kristian, I appreciate and love your comments about this movie. This was one of my favorite movies growing up, and I definitely held up up on a pedestal for a long time. I rewatched all the Batman movies with my kids last year and I kind of felt the same about this movie.
Awesome review gentlemen!!! This is not a Batman film I return to often. Saw this one in the theater and thought the best thing about it was Catwoman. Looking forward to next week!!! Hope you guys have a great weekend!!! 🙂
This was one of my favourite movies as a kid! Rewatching it always reminds me how damn dark it is and I think it’s crazy I was watching this movie when I was 3 or 4 years old. Still has some of my favourite scenes of Keaton’s Batman and the batmobile, his suit looks ten times better than in 89 imo. It’s definitely ridiculous and completely over the top but I can’t help but love it.
Batman Returns is my favorite Batman movie. It is cartoony - a twisted, sexy, campy, gut-wrenching, live-action cartoon. I love the way this movie looks and sounds (A+ score by Elfman), Pfieffer and Devito are amazing in their roles, and the final scene in the alley is the best ending to any comic book movie ever. I totally get Kristian's complaints, but BR is so damn fun and atmospheric.
To the part where you're wondering about the Penguin's plan, when Batman drives by the window the Penguin is making a list of the firstborn children, I believe.
@@TheKristianHarloff My favorite work that you have done is the Cobra Kai interviews. 1. You are a fantastic interviewer and 2. You got into that show way before it was popular. Bring on the Cobra Kai cast members again!
Catwoman doesn't gain superpowers. Selina Kyle gains clarity. Her near-death experience pushes her to stop taking the crap she was taking all her life.
I know I know but what I mean is that she falls out of window, super cats eat her fingers, she wakes up and now can do backflips and has 9 lives. So she doesn't have superpowers? I mean how does she get the 9 lives?
Great time to talk about polarising films. I really appreciate that this group can dump on a movie but not on its fans. And say OK, it's great you like it, but let's try to move onto something we all agree on. Great outlook!
I Love Batman Forever. And it's completely because that's the first Batman movie I remember watching when I was a kid. Even watching it now 25 Years later, I just love it.
I watched this movie as an adult for the very first around Christmas and I fell in love with it. It literally has nothing to do with nostalgia, I just genuinely think it's a great film. I guess y'all just aren't into camp?
This movie is my introduction to cinematic batman and Tim Burton and Danny Elfman's magic.. i mean music. Probably the very first score album i've ever bought.
I'm on your page, Kristian. Didn't like this one as a kid, and then when I re-watched them all leading up to Dark Knight Rises it was a struggle to finish. I like Forever and even B&R more because while they're also not great, at least they have fun rather than misery. Love the Re-watch series!
The Burton films came out when I was a kid and I absolutely love them and I still do. So yes I think it has resonated with me from my childhood. However I love and respect everyone else’s opinions.
My entry point for Batman was the animated series growing up, and then I saw Batman Begins because I was a kid when that came out. I watched pieces of Batman 89 and Forever on tv but since my parents didn’t like those films as much we didn’t watch them. But they liked the animated series so I watched that.
100% agree with you Kristian. As a both a fan of Batman and cinema, i never cared for this movie. Wish you would have skipped this and replaced it with Mask of The Phantasm. I’m going to say it: it was the best Batman movie prior to Batman Begins.
Speaking of Over the top, Kristian did you know that was an actual tournament and the winner did end up really winning that big rig Diesel truck? The winners name is John Brzenk and he was in the movie and is considered the greatest arm wrester of all time! Anyways once again thanks for all you do
I'm 17 mins in and I'm dying with laughter 🤣, Kristian u have killed me off ive not laughed this hard to your vids in a while so I have to thank you for this, i wished Dorina was here for this one cause I would have loved to hear what she had to say to you about this movie. I honestly love this movie not as much as 89 Batman but hearing what u have to say about this film has got me thinking about it now lol 😆
Honestly, Batman Forever was probably my first Batman movie. That or Mask of the Phantasm. I have more to say about those two later. But Returns holds such a special place in my heart. Whether it's the fact that I had the action figures, this movie recorded on VHS, or that it was so strongly associated with the Animated series, I've always been a fan. Plus this movie and Batman 89 were my introduction to Tim Burton (at least, I don't remember seeing Beetlejuice first. The cartoon maybe...) So that is a big factor. The cast, the Gotham sets, the music, all of it just captures what I loved about the comics. Gotham somehow got progressively cleaner in the Nolan trilogy. Bale seemed slower than Keaton. I LOVE The Dark Knight, but over time I just gravitate towards these older films more. Thanks for all the rewatches. I love this series. Also, if any of you can give your opinions on the Fan Scriptions on Channel Awesome (mainly the Batman stuff, but any of it really) that would be awesome. Those videos are kind of long, but they are covering so much that you guys on this channel are talking about right now (Spider-Man, Batman, Rocky).
I am a huge fan of this movie. I grew up with it and I still love it. I think the development of Batman the animated series having HUGE inspiration from Burton's Batman is another factor, I was the perfect age in 92 as a kid taking it all in. Kristian great job on the Cowboys jabs, you had me dying 🤣😂😆
Absolutely love the whacky vibes of this movie it’s definitely the oddest Batman of Batman movies and definitely in my top 5 Batman movies of all time..my top 5 Batman movies would be 1: BATMAN: THE DARK KNIGHT 2: BATMAN BEGINS 3: BATMAN: THE DARK KNIGHT RISES 4: BATMAN 5: BATMAN RETURNS Michelle Pheiffer steals the show my only negative is you don’t get as much Batman in this movie the focus is definitely more on the Penguin and Catwomen…great review and great show yet again 👍🎥👌look forward to next weeks…
Schumacher wasn't the first director to draw inspiration from Batman 66. Tim Burton did it first. In Batman 89, Joker ruining paintings in the museum was from an episode of Batman 66. So was the Penguin running for mayor storyline from Batman Returns. Burton even uses the dutch tilt a few times in the 89 film. That show was so important to Batman, it's presence still felt all throughout those first four Batman films.
Hadn’t seen this since I was like 12 but Dorina and Harloff discussing it on Collider Live had me watch it a few years ago. Third behind Begins and The Dark Knight for me and I revisit once or twice a year now. I absolutely adore the production design and overall vibe of it. I like my Batmen crazy, horny, and emo and no movie has done that better since. I mean the man sits around in the dark waiting for the chance to literally spring into action and step into the spotlight! For those same reasons…Bring on Pattinson
I loved it as a kid and then started feeling the way Kristian does. I like Tim Burton just fine but I want a Batman movie not a Burton movie. Funny enough, I still feel that way yet also just don’t care anymore 😂. I think the things I want are still there if not as front and center as I’d like them to be
@@jamesdeziel1468 but Batman has been so many different things in the comix. Why should the movies be any different. We should welcome filmmakers coming in and putting their spin on characters. Definitive Batman is different based on when you grew up. Are a Neal Adams fan, a Frank Miller fan, a Jeph Loeb fan, a Grant Morrison fan. I’m just the last 40 years, Batman has had so many iterations in the comix. More variety is better than less!
For context I was born in 95 and so I grew up with these four Batman movies. I loved ALL of them and as a kid obviously the Batman forever style movies were more fun to watch for me even though I still loved the others. Ask I got older there is no doubt that the Tim Burton ones are better I still love everything about them and the Joker has always been my favorite. I still watch these movies every year and still love all of them
I have to say ……. I haven’t laugh this hard at one of these review since last week with Morgan Freeman’s rant against Lucas lol. Great review. I love it 🤣😂
I obsessed over this movie as a 5 year old, but my parents wouldn't let me see it until I was 8. I counted the days until I was 13, begged and begged, and finally I broke my parents into letting me see it early.
I personally really like the movie. Not as much as the first Tim Burton Batman but I still like it. My Ranking of the Batman movies (Best to Worst) 1. The Dark Knight 2. The Dark Knight Rises 3. Batman Begins 4. Batman (1989) 5. Batman Returns 6. Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice 7. Batman Forever 8. Batman and Robin
'Batman Returns' = the Bat-Ski Boat, McDonald's tie cup lid frisbees. I loved the tie in merch, I was 10. It watched this movie hundreds of times on VHS after my mama bought it for me.
Kristian - I have seen all the Batman movies including the 1966 (Shark Repellant) so I can honestly say All of the moves had Good and Bad scenes, I really enjoyed the 1989 one and all of the Nolan movies. Like you I had issues with Catwoman (Michelle Pheifer) and Penguin (Danny Devito) storyline, The Actors were Great. Not sure about seeing the New One in March in the theater, may just have to wait. Great rewatch Kristian, Winston and Coy!
A quick Q about the SEN Live patreon: If we get over 250 but it’s after the 28th, do we still get the 3rd SEN Live added? Or do we only have until the 28th to make that happen?
Another great REWATCH!, fellas. Winston was killing me again with the impressions! ("Just the p***y I've been looking for!") 🤣🤣🤣 I pretty much align with Coy on this one, and the Pfeiffer Catwoman art in his background was a nice touch! Kristian, I'm sorry you didn't care for it, and that's okay, but I will say I always viewed Penguin's plan as a manipulation/blackmailing of Max Shreck just to give himself some legitimacy in Gotham City and create a false sense of trust in citizens regarding his emergence. I think Penguin was bitter and planning the first-born slaughter all along. As Batman says, "I think he knows who his parents are. There's something else." Penguin put on a show to manipulate the sympathy of Gothamites too... from the publicity stunt of the cemetery scene to the admission of "I've played this stinking city like a harp from Hell!" Shreck, however, distracts Penguin from the plan by seducing him with the allure of power and yes, "unlimited p***tang" until throwing him under the bus. Only then does Penguin get back to what he intended all along... mass murder of first-born blue bloods. Anyway, I was a kid when I saw this movie, and I watch it at least once a year, and I still love it. Keep up the good work, gents. I'm looking forward to the next one!
My memories of this movie are Michelle in that catsuit. Wow! And the Penguins as pall bearers at the funeral. Definitely of it’s time. First one made a ton of money. Studio, said Burton do your thing, but bigger. Done!
I was putting together a Returns Batsuit for this year being the 30 th anniversary. Got hit witha big tax bill and had to sell it yesterday. Sucks balls. Returns is my favourite Batman movie.
10 minutes and I already love this episode. I miss the Kristian rants so much lol. This was a movie I liked as a kid but realize it really is a silly movie and completely throws the comics in the garbage
Even though i hate this movie I do prefer a more unrealistic style instead of the Nolan style. I hate when people say the upcoming Batman looks the most accurate. If it was accurate you would have characters like Mr Freeze and Croc. It worked in The Suicide Squad.
I have to say that this is the Batman movie that I remembered the least after watching it in the theater. After watching it later, it's not bad. I rate it equal to Batman Forever which I wasn't crazy about. I was 20 when this came out so there's no childhood nostalgic hangup for me.
@@TheKristianHarloff just seeing him pop the wings out to get the glider had me go OHHHHH BATMAN CAN FLY NOW then my big sister had to explain the benollui principle to me lol
First off. Thank you for doing these.. okay. It's like with the original spiderman movies, I remembered the first 2 the greatest Spider-man movies ever. Upon re-watch, not the case. Now with these, the first one was great like you guys said, few things wrong but still mostly great batman movie. This one, I was waiting to hear what you thought Kristian . And I agree 100 % on all your criticism, and praise. Agh, I don't wanna watch the next one. But have to because of these episode's. Thank so much.
Batman Returns is an interesting movie. I haven't seen it in long time, but I do remember it not having a story or structure that really worked in its favor. I will say that I recall the performances being great, the production design/art direction being a unique stand out, the score by Danny Elfman being solid, and the romance between Bruce and Selina being the best element in the movie. If anything this is probably the most "cult movie" within the superhero genre. Those who love it, adore it and I'm happy for them. For me, its a mixed bag, but its far from a disaster. Also, I saw this as a little kid and DeVito's Penguin freaked me out!
I think the score is an operatic masterpiece. It's definitely got competition from other Batman movies, but I think this one reigns supreme as the best.
@@Dohsoda I'm not well-versed in film scores and film score composers, but I think Danny Elfman is my favourite composer, though I think John Williams is the best composer ever.
Extremely underrated Batman movie!!! Excellent performances from Danny Devito as a deformed Penguin!! N Michelle Pfeiffer as the tormented Selina Kyle/Catwoman. Still the best Catwoman portrayal to date. I still prefer Batman 89 over this one. But it's still the darkest and one of the best Batman movies to date nonetheless!!! 👍🏾👍🏾👍🏾💯💯💯👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾
By far my favourite of the original Batman movies. It works for me whereas Batman 89 doesn't entirely anymore. It is much more Tim Burton, which is a good thing (for me at least). And it just has a better emotional pay off. Keaton was clearly more comfortable in the role this time around and Michelle Pheifer's Catwoman is still one of the best comic book movie villains.
@@TheKristianHarloff hopefully this rewatch changes you opinion, Kristian. It’s probably my 2nd or 3rd favorite. Can’t determine whether I enjoy 1989 or returns more. They’re both awesome.
what’s wild dude is i’ve been listening to you since 2015. 2022 and now i’m 26. fucking weird man, i find myself sharing a ton of your opinions. you’ve subconsciously weeded your way into my brain over the course of like 7 years lmao
As a 6year old this shit SLAPPED hahahahaha haven't seen it in year but I can only imagine how it comes off now, to me these were the real origins at the time 😂
I saw this in the theatre when I was 10. At the time I enjoyed and then over the next years I started to really dislike it because it had to much penguin. As an adult I’ve grown an appreciation for the film and understanding this is a Burton film with Batman in it. The film has some really great stuff and it also has some really weird what the hell burton stuff in it. I would rank it 4th out of the 90’s films. I have a soft spot for forever and b&r. They are both basically big budget versions of the 60’s tv show.
This one was the first movie my dad took me too and it changed my life. It made me fall in love with the character. So I'm one of those people lol. I can definitely see that this movie has a ton of flaws but I really don't care. Great episode! I was looking forward to this specific episode and you guys are freaking great! I love the rewatches!
I think the movie holds up ok, got some crazy stuff i didnt notice as a kid when i first saw it. But probably regarded better as it was followed by 2 movies most ppl feel are much wwaker. The best part of these rewatches for me has to be that it reminds me of how my buddies and i would discuss a movie we just saw outside the theater without hurting feelings (too much lol)
I've read the original script for this film (it's online), and while Penguin and Catwoman were underdeveloped in it, I liked it and felt it had a clear and focused story. The only similarities are the Christmas setting, Penguin and Catwoman as villains, the plot point of Batman being framed for murder, and the moment Batman's cape turns into a glider. Everything else was different as the plot was about Penguin and Catwoman looking for hidden treasure, Batman was the focus instead of Penguin, Penguin was not deformed but a short man called Mr. Bonaface, Vicki Vale returns, Robin appears, Gordon has a lot more to do, Harvey Bullock appears but is called Eddie, the final battle is in Wayne Manor and the Batcave, and Bruce proposes to Vicki at the end
This draft was so much better. I heard it in podcast form and I wish this was the movie they made. It was a murder mystery and that’s way more in line with Batman’s world than a freak with flipper hands and a girl who got licked by cats and became catwoman lol.
This was a great rewatch (again). 🙂 This movie mostly stuck with me because of the NES or SNES videogame. It was SUPER hard and we played this forever. I didn't even remember the weird clowns and all those other illustrious characters from the movie, but I still see them before my mental eye when I think back to the videogame (they were very hard to beat). So I did see this movie as a kid and I remember how enthralled I was with Catwoman and for a long time, I thought this was the better Batman movie (without seeing it over and over again; just my initial idea after seeing it for the first time). But watching it back, I thought that the first Batman was better as it was more grounded than the cartoony and weirder stuff that happens in this movie. Oh, and all the toys, etc.. I remember asking for a LOT of them. ^^
I agree with you. I love this movie because it came out when I was a little kid, and my dad had already shown me the first Batman. He even made me leather Penguin gloves because he did upholstery. I don’t really think it’s that great of a film, but the nostalgia is there for me. It kinda feels like a screwed up live action Batman The Animated Series movie, and I love that, but it definitely gets pretty weird in places. ✌️🤙
Have you three ever noticed in Shrecks/Walkens office he has pictures of himself with celebrities on his wall? One picture is him with Arnold Schwarzenegger. Do you think this was a happy coincidence or pre planning for Mr. Freeze. Check it out and let me know.
Make sure you watch Jim Carrey’s interview on the Howard Stern Show where he talks about Tommy Lee Jones before you guys talk about Batman Forever next week
In terms of enjoyment, I get the same amount from watching the Burton movies as I do watching the Schumacher movies. My main introduction to Batman was Batman Begins, Year One and The Long Halloween. The Burton movies feel like just that to me, Burton movies not Batman movies. I appreciate the film making of the Burton movies and the practical effects that make the Penguin so visceral, but that's about it unfortunately. As always, really enjoyed hearing you guys talk about it!
When I was a kid, I saw Batman Returns before I saw Batman, but I must've been 6 or maybe 7 by the time I really saw the first Batman and I immediately knew it was better than Batman Returns was. It just felt like it had a weight to it that Returns didn't have. As grotesque as Danny's Penguin was, I was never really scared of him, he felt desperate or something to me, meanwhile Jack's Joker legitimately made me uncomfortable, scared me, made me laugh, and creeped me the hell out, but in a good way. Also, being a fan of the animated series and the comics even back then, the '89 film felt much more in-line with the flavor and essence of those things. Like, it felt the most "Batman" of all the Batman movies at the time, like I was watching the real Batman and the real Joker that the comics and TV shows were "based on", if that makes sense. Now as an adult, I see why I felt that way. Batman is definitively the better film. The mix of Tim Burton's gothic dark fairy-tale themes/sense of humor, combined with the classic 30's/40's gangster/film noir elements of the movie, combined with Anton Furst's industrial/expressionist set design(which blows Bo Welch's typical "Burton-centric" set design for Batman Returns out of the water), was the perfect mix for Batman.
🤣 love Kris passionate hate to this movie. Funny thing is I love this movie. Love the Burton in it. Was the first movie I ever watch at the movie teacher, so It has sooo much nostalgia for me. But I understand how somebody who does not have the nostalgia factor can hate it. Love the dark them, this movie was the reason Batman and Spawn were always my favorite “heroes” as a kid.
It's nice to hear Kristian just straight up hate on a movie. Cracks me up so much that he didn't even have this much vitriol for TLJ🤣 I feel the same way about Zack Snyder's comic movies and The Rise of Skywalker: just plain stupid, terrible movies that aren't even entertaining. As far as Batman Returns goes, i loved it when it first came out (i was a teenager so i thought it was sooo dark and edgy lol) but, while i don't hate it, it is not great. Still, it's 100% more enjoyable than BvS. Pfeiffer is really good and so beautiful. The chemistry between her and Keaton is palpable.
@@TheKristianHarloff Very true, i used to be the same way (down on people for liking something). Now i am much more understanding and try to see it through their eyes. My wife, for example, loves the Twilight movies. I watched them all with her and i don't get it. Meant a lot to her though. I have friends who LOVE The Rise of Skywalker. I am jealous of them and wish i could enjoy it the way they do. I totally agree with you that the conversation around movies/books/games has become too politicized and polarized. Sadly, it is the angry vocal minority that tends to pull people down to their level rather than the conversation staying civil. I am guilty of this at times too and am trying to be better.
You can definitely tell how much more control Tim Burton had on this movie than the previous film. The previous film had a mix of Tim Burton's visual flair and Batman combined, but this movie feels solely like a Tim Burton movie
I say the exact same thing
That’s why it’s not always a good thing to give directors complete control
Except for the fact that the studio kept telling him to throw in vehicles and characters for toys.
@@TheLordBizwah Nevertheless the movie still feels more like tim burton film than a batman film
@@metallicnole4514 Batman Returns was cool tho
Really like and have missed when Kristian goes off on a movie, the stand up comic in him really comes out and he shows the movie no mercy 😂
100%! Best part of the podcast!
Thank you!
I love it too. So funny.
This is why I love watching your shows kristian because you, Coy and Winston know not to bash on what people like and dislike and that u all shed new light onto things especially with theses movie rewatches cause there are things I never knew or even thought about before and it's cool to see them in a new perspective
Yeah there is no reason at all to ever tell someone why they are wrong for loving a movie, I just happen to not dig this one.
@@TheKristianHarloff each to there own man, and I respect that
Movie World on the Gold Coast here in Australia had a Batman Returns ride in the 90s which was absolutely amazing. You walked through a full scale Wayne Manor and Batcave, then jumped into a Batmobile simulator and fought the penguin. It was next level. And for that reason and that reason alone I will always love this movie!
Glad you dig it!
I saw this as a 4-year-old at a drive-in. I will always remember sitting on top of my parents' car watching this movie and being scared to death, but I loved it. I had all the toys and got it on VHS for that Christmas. It's weird bc my folks were very protective of what I watched as a kid. Somehow this and 89 slipped under their radar.
I remember this! They had quite a bit of alcohol to drink, and you got lucky Tony. They called it Batman night drink-a-thon's.
It is creepy for kids for sure!
I’m in my mid 20’s, I remember watching this movie when I was like 8 years old and I really enjoyed it. Now watching it as an “adult” I can see all the bad in it but I still find things to enjoy. I am excited for the next 2 film cause I feel they are even better to watch as an adult and just laugh. Been loving all the shows and I’m always excited to watch a new episode
Thank you!
I agree with Kristian on this one. love the rewatches guys ! can't wait for batman forever
Same here!
Loved the discussion Kristian! Loved this movie as a kid, it made an impact on me, I had never seen anything like it. Probably my first superhero comic book movie. As an adult I appreciate it even more. A lot of the adult stuff went right over my head when I was 8/9 years old and now I can totally tell how this was not for kids but it has a special place in my heart. My favourite Batman movie.
Hey fair enough!
I appreciate the top down production on these films. The cinematography, set design, costumes, props, everything is designed and had thought put into it. Very little- if anything on screen is store bought.
Personally, I feel the two Tim Burton movies Gotham City art direction / production design are the closest to the comics. So now I have a better appreciation of them as adult and fan.
Hey Burton def put his love into it, no doubt!
GREAT EPISODE!!! Kristian, I appreciate and love your comments about this movie. This was one of my favorite movies growing up, and I definitely held up up on a pedestal for a long time. I rewatched all the Batman movies with my kids last year and I kind of felt the same about this movie.
Same here!
Awesome review gentlemen!!! This is not a Batman film I return to often. Saw this one in the theater and thought the best thing about it was Catwoman. Looking forward to next week!!! Hope you guys have a great weekend!!! 🙂
You too!!
This was one of my favourite movies as a kid! Rewatching it always reminds me how damn dark it is and I think it’s crazy I was watching this movie when I was 3 or 4 years old. Still has some of my favourite scenes of Keaton’s Batman and the batmobile, his suit looks ten times better than in 89 imo. It’s definitely ridiculous and completely over the top but I can’t help but love it.
Lots of people love it!
Batman Returns is my favorite Batman movie. It is cartoony - a twisted, sexy, campy, gut-wrenching, live-action cartoon. I love the way this movie looks and sounds (A+ score by Elfman), Pfieffer and Devito are amazing in their roles, and the final scene in the alley is the best ending to any comic book movie ever. I totally get Kristian's complaints, but BR is so damn fun and atmospheric.
Hey fair enough!
Batman Returns is not a comic book movie. It's a gothic fairy tale with comic book characters. And I love it for it.
Fair
To the part where you're wondering about the Penguin's plan, when Batman drives by the window the Penguin is making a list of the firstborn children, I believe.
Yep! I just left a comment to that effect before I started reading the other comments.
Ah yup
I saw Batman Returns in the theater when I was twelve years old and I loved it then and now!
Love to hear it!
Kristian I love your channel brother. Keep keeping on my man ! Subscriber and followed you since Collider.
I appreciate that! Thank you very much!
@@TheKristianHarloff My favorite work that you have done is the Cobra Kai interviews. 1. You are a fantastic interviewer and 2. You got into that show way before it was popular. Bring on the Cobra Kai cast members again!
Kristian my man, how do you only have 35k subscribers?? Won't be long til this is a million channel!
Just started this channel 4 months ago.
Catwoman doesn't gain superpowers. Selina Kyle gains clarity. Her near-death experience pushes her to stop taking the crap she was taking all her life.
I know I know but what I mean is that she falls out of window, super cats eat her fingers, she wakes up and now can do backflips and has 9 lives. So she doesn't have superpowers? I mean how does she get the 9 lives?
Great time to talk about polarising films. I really appreciate that this group can dump on a movie but not on its fans. And say OK, it's great you like it, but let's try to move onto something we all agree on. Great outlook!
Yeah absolutely no reason to go after people for what they like, silly.
Kristian, "Batman Returns" is the BEST Batman movie of All!!!!
Hmm... have a feeling he won't agree.
How dare you
I Love Batman Forever. And it's completely because that's the first Batman movie I remember watching when I was a kid. Even watching it now 25 Years later, I just love it.
Thank you!
I watched this movie as an adult for the very first around Christmas and I fell in love with it. It literally has nothing to do with nostalgia, I just genuinely think it's a great film. I guess y'all just aren't into camp?
This movie is my introduction to cinematic batman and Tim Burton and Danny Elfman's magic.. i mean music. Probably the very first score album i've ever bought.
Totally get it
I'm on your page, Kristian. Didn't like this one as a kid, and then when I re-watched them all leading up to Dark Knight Rises it was a struggle to finish. I like Forever and even B&R more because while they're also not great, at least they have fun rather than misery.
Love the Re-watch series!
Thank you!
Favorite Batman actor is Keaton.
Favorite Batman movie is Returns.
❤️!!!!
The Burton films came out when I was a kid and I absolutely love them and I still do. So yes I think it has resonated with me from my childhood. However I love and respect everyone else’s opinions.
Couldnt agree more Harloff!
Thank you!
Love this film; Love it when people talk about how much they hate it!
Haha totally fair and glad you love it!
My entry point for Batman was the animated series growing up, and then I saw Batman Begins because I was a kid when that came out. I watched pieces of Batman 89 and Forever on tv but since my parents didn’t like those films as much we didn’t watch them. But they liked the animated series so I watched that.
100% agree with you Kristian. As a both a fan of Batman and cinema, i never cared for this movie. Wish you would have skipped this and replaced it with Mask of The Phantasm. I’m going to say it: it was the best Batman movie prior to Batman Begins.
I think there are too many people who love this one to skip it plus it is a sequel to the one that started it all
@@TheKristianHarloff Yeah I get it…is it too late to swap Batman and Robin for Mask? Lol. Love that you are doing these rewatches! 🦇
My favorite Batman ever and I don't hate you Kristian.😏
More Rewatch like this.
Next week is Forever!
Speaking of Over the top, Kristian did you know that was an actual tournament and the winner did end up really winning that big rig Diesel truck? The winners name is John Brzenk and he was in the movie and is considered the greatest arm wrester of all time! Anyways once again thanks for all you do
That's awesome
I'm 17 mins in and I'm dying with laughter 🤣, Kristian u have killed me off ive not laughed this hard to your vids in a while so I have to thank you for this, i wished Dorina was here for this one cause I would have loved to hear what she had to say to you about this movie. I honestly love this movie not as much as 89 Batman but hearing what u have to say about this film has got me thinking about it now lol 😆
Haha thank you!
This movie was ahead of it's time. Nolan/Synder vibe. Great movie!
Yup
I come back to this movie because Michelle Pfeiffer's catwoman is responsible for me starting puberty when i saw it as a kid.
Loving these Batman movie discussions.
Thank you!
Honestly, Batman Forever was probably my first Batman movie. That or Mask of the Phantasm. I have more to say about those two later. But Returns holds such a special place in my heart. Whether it's the fact that I had the action figures, this movie recorded on VHS, or that it was so strongly associated with the Animated series, I've always been a fan. Plus this movie and Batman 89 were my introduction to Tim Burton (at least, I don't remember seeing Beetlejuice first. The cartoon maybe...) So that is a big factor. The cast, the Gotham sets, the music, all of it just captures what I loved about the comics. Gotham somehow got progressively cleaner in the Nolan trilogy. Bale seemed slower than Keaton. I LOVE The Dark Knight, but over time I just gravitate towards these older films more. Thanks for all the rewatches. I love this series. Also, if any of you can give your opinions on the Fan Scriptions on Channel Awesome (mainly the Batman stuff, but any of it really) that would be awesome. Those videos are kind of long, but they are covering so much that you guys on this channel are talking about right now (Spider-Man, Batman, Rocky).
Love it, thank you!
I am a huge fan of this movie. I grew up with it and I still love it. I think the development of Batman the animated series having HUGE inspiration from Burton's Batman is another factor, I was the perfect age in 92 as a kid taking it all in.
Kristian great job on the Cowboys jabs, you had me dying 🤣😂😆
Haha thank you!
Absolutely love the whacky vibes of this movie it’s definitely the oddest Batman of Batman movies and definitely in my top 5 Batman movies of all time..my top 5 Batman movies would be
1: BATMAN: THE DARK KNIGHT
2: BATMAN BEGINS
3: BATMAN: THE DARK KNIGHT RISES
4: BATMAN
5: BATMAN RETURNS
Michelle Pheiffer steals the show my only negative is you don’t get as much Batman in this movie the focus is definitely more on the Penguin and Catwomen…great review and great show yet again 👍🎥👌look forward to next weeks…
Thank you for the list!
Schumacher wasn't the first director to draw inspiration from Batman 66. Tim Burton did it first. In Batman 89, Joker ruining paintings in the museum was from an episode of Batman 66. So was the Penguin running for mayor storyline from Batman Returns. Burton even uses the dutch tilt a few times in the 89 film. That show was so important to Batman, it's presence still felt all throughout those first four Batman films.
Oh we mention that fully in the other rewatches. Burton for sure pulled inspiration from that in both of his movies.
Hadn’t seen this since I was like 12 but Dorina and Harloff discussing it on Collider Live had me watch it a few years ago. Third behind Begins and The Dark Knight for me and I revisit once or twice a year now. I absolutely adore the production design and overall vibe of it. I like my Batmen crazy, horny, and emo and no movie has done that better since. I mean the man sits around in the dark waiting for the chance to literally spring into action and step into the spotlight! For those same reasons…Bring on Pattinson
I loved it as a kid and then started feeling the way Kristian does. I like Tim Burton just fine but I want a Batman movie not a Burton movie. Funny enough, I still feel that way yet also just don’t care anymore 😂. I think the things I want are still there if not as front and center as I’d like them to be
Cannot wait for him!
@@jamesdeziel1468 but Batman has been so many different things in the comix.
Why should the movies be any different. We should welcome filmmakers coming in and putting their spin on characters.
Definitive Batman is different based on when you grew up. Are a Neal Adams fan, a Frank Miller fan, a Jeph Loeb fan, a Grant Morrison fan.
I’m just the last 40 years, Batman has had so many iterations in the comix. More variety is better than less!
@@iansmart4158 Hard agree, we just made the same argument
Also, Batman: The Animated Series debut on September 5, 1992, which maintained the same dark tone that the Tim Burton Batman films had!
I don't remember it as well.
We wouldn't have BTAS without Burton and his Batman films, hands down
For context I was born in 95 and so I grew up with these four Batman movies. I loved ALL of them and as a kid obviously the Batman forever style movies were more fun to watch for me even though I still loved the others. Ask I got older there is no doubt that the Tim Burton ones are better I still love everything about them and the Joker has always been my favorite. I still watch these movies every year and still love all of them
Fair
I have to say ……. I haven’t laugh this hard at one of these review since last week with Morgan Freeman’s rant against Lucas lol. Great review. I love it 🤣😂
Glad you enjoyed it Thank you!
The Morgan Freeman rant was fantastic 😂😂😂
I love that the cobblepots parents are Peewee and Simone,
Au revoir Penguin
YUP!
I obsessed over this movie as a 5 year old, but my parents wouldn't let me see it until I was 8. I counted the days until I was 13, begged and begged, and finally I broke my parents into letting me see it early.
People love it
I personally really like the movie. Not as much as the first Tim Burton Batman but I still like it.
My Ranking of the Batman movies (Best to Worst)
1. The Dark Knight
2. The Dark Knight Rises
3. Batman Begins
4. Batman (1989)
5. Batman Returns
6. Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice
7. Batman Forever
8. Batman and Robin
Lots of people dig it!
'Batman Returns' = the Bat-Ski Boat, McDonald's tie cup lid frisbees. I loved the tie in merch, I was 10. It watched this movie hundreds of times on VHS after my mama bought it for me.
Totally get it
So happy you have your own Chen no. Been watching you for 8 years now
Thank you John!
@@TheKristianHarloff of course. You’re fucking awesome.
Batman Returns is my favorite Batman movie 🙂
Happy to hear it!
Kristian - I have seen all the Batman movies including the 1966 (Shark Repellant) so I can honestly say All of the moves had Good and Bad scenes, I really enjoyed the 1989 one and all of the Nolan movies. Like you I had issues with Catwoman (Michelle Pheifer) and Penguin (Danny Devito) storyline, The Actors were Great. Not sure about seeing the New One in March in the theater, may just have to wait. Great rewatch Kristian, Winston and Coy!
Thank you!
I actually like this film and great video Kristian
Thank you Jermaine!
That Draft Kings promo was so damn funny hahaha
Haha thanks!
A quick Q about the SEN Live patreon:
If we get over 250 but it’s after the 28th, do we still get the 3rd SEN Live added?
Or do we only have until the 28th to make that happen?
Oh yeah, that is ongoing
@@TheKristianHarloff Thanks! Always appreciate the quick responses 😊
Another great REWATCH!, fellas. Winston was killing me again with the impressions! ("Just the p***y I've been looking for!") 🤣🤣🤣 I pretty much align with Coy on this one, and the Pfeiffer Catwoman art in his background was a nice touch! Kristian, I'm sorry you didn't care for it, and that's okay, but I will say I always viewed Penguin's plan as a manipulation/blackmailing of Max Shreck just to give himself some legitimacy in Gotham City and create a false sense of trust in citizens regarding his emergence. I think Penguin was bitter and planning the first-born slaughter all along. As Batman says, "I think he knows who his parents are. There's something else." Penguin put on a show to manipulate the sympathy of Gothamites too... from the publicity stunt of the cemetery scene to the admission of "I've played this stinking city like a harp from Hell!" Shreck, however, distracts Penguin from the plan by seducing him with the allure of power and yes, "unlimited p***tang" until throwing him under the bus. Only then does Penguin get back to what he intended all along... mass murder of first-born blue bloods. Anyway, I was a kid when I saw this movie, and I watch it at least once a year, and I still love it. Keep up the good work, gents. I'm looking forward to the next one!
You are not alone my good man, lots of people LOVE this one!
My memories of this movie are Michelle in that catsuit. Wow! And the Penguins as pall bearers at the funeral. Definitely of it’s time. First one made a ton of money. Studio, said Burton do your thing, but bigger. Done!
Yeah but that didn't pan out for them money wise!
"You don't really think you'll win do you?"
"Things change."
"My cat's breath smells like cats' food" - Ralph Wiggum.
Lot's of good quotes!
I was putting together a Returns Batsuit for this year being the 30 th anniversary. Got hit witha big tax bill and had to sell it yesterday. Sucks balls. Returns is my favourite Batman movie.
:(
10 minutes and I already love this episode. I miss the Kristian rants so much lol. This was a movie I liked as a kid but realize it really is a silly movie and completely throws the comics in the garbage
Haha thanks for checking it out!
When I was younger I didn't like it, but now I am older and know what Tim Burton films are, I understand it a lot more cause it is Tim Burton.
Fair point
I still love this movie 😛
Saw it as a kid growing up
Me too
Awesome!
Even though i hate this movie I do prefer a more unrealistic style instead of the Nolan style. I hate when people say the upcoming Batman looks the most accurate. If it was accurate you would have characters like Mr Freeze and Croc. It worked in The Suicide Squad.
I get that
I have to say that this is the Batman movie that I remembered the least after watching it in the theater. After watching it later, it's not bad. I rate it equal to Batman Forever which I wasn't crazy about. I was 20 when this came out so there's no childhood nostalgic hangup for me.
Thanks!
Before I watch... will you have the Mantz on when you do Citizen Kane?
If we wind up doing that one, would love to!
"Like a sledgehammer to the ball-bag" idk seems more like the joker's move set than the penguin
True
I was 3 this was the first time seeing a trailer and getting hyped it was on CBS and loved 1989 batman so I was like what this how when why
Had a lot of hype behind it
@@TheKristianHarloff just seeing him pop the wings out to get the glider had me go OHHHHH BATMAN CAN FLY NOW then my big sister had to explain the benollui principle to me lol
First off. Thank you for doing these.. okay. It's like with the original spiderman movies, I remembered the first 2 the greatest Spider-man movies ever. Upon re-watch, not the case. Now with these, the first one was great like you guys said, few things wrong but still mostly great batman movie. This one, I was waiting to hear what you thought Kristian . And I agree 100 % on all your criticism, and praise. Agh, I don't wanna watch the next one. But have to because of these episode's. Thank so much.
Thank you Joseph!
Kristian, ya broke my heart. Ya broke my heart!
I'm sorry!
Batman Returns is an interesting movie. I haven't seen it in long time, but I do remember it not having a story or structure that really worked in its favor. I will say that I recall the performances being great, the production design/art direction being a unique stand out, the score by Danny Elfman being solid, and the romance between Bruce and Selina being the best element in the movie. If anything this is probably the most "cult movie" within the superhero genre. Those who love it, adore it and I'm happy for them. For me, its a mixed bag, but its far from a disaster. Also, I saw this as a little kid and DeVito's Penguin freaked me out!
I think the score is an operatic masterpiece. It's definitely got competition from other Batman movies, but I think this one reigns supreme as the best.
@@tornadochaser2457 Danny Elfman is a great composer. Very rarely does he turn out music that I don't like.
@@Dohsoda I'm not well-versed in film scores and film score composers, but I think Danny Elfman is my favourite composer, though I think John Williams is the best composer ever.
Yeah he is definitely creepy AF
Extremely underrated Batman movie!!! Excellent performances from Danny Devito as a deformed Penguin!! N Michelle Pfeiffer as the tormented Selina Kyle/Catwoman. Still the best Catwoman portrayal to date. I still prefer Batman 89 over this one. But it's still the darkest and one of the best Batman movies to date nonetheless!!! 👍🏾👍🏾👍🏾💯💯💯👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾
Fair enough!
By far my favourite of the original Batman movies. It works for me whereas Batman 89 doesn't entirely anymore. It is much more Tim Burton, which is a good thing (for me at least). And it just has a better emotional pay off. Keaton was clearly more comfortable in the role this time around and Michelle Pheifer's Catwoman is still one of the best comic book movie villains.
Man people are going to HATE my take on this movie haha
"Yeah baby, starting defense WOOOO!"
I got this, but not sure how many others will. GREAT reference!
PLACE AT THE TABLE!
It’s 6 am, I already got my chair and HBO max set up tans about to hit play after I brush my damn teeth!!!
Haha
@@TheKristianHarloff hopefully this rewatch changes you opinion, Kristian. It’s probably my 2nd or 3rd favorite. Can’t determine whether I enjoy 1989 or returns more. They’re both awesome.
what’s wild dude is i’ve been listening to you since 2015. 2022 and now i’m 26. fucking weird man, i find myself sharing a ton of your opinions. you’ve subconsciously weeded your way into my brain over the course of like 7 years lmao
Hahaha, sorry about that Mason! Thank you for joining me on this channel my man!
@@TheKristianHarloff drink your coffee and eat your oatmeal old man have a good one!
As a 6year old this shit SLAPPED hahahahaha haven't seen it in year but I can only imagine how it comes off now, to me these were the real origins at the time 😂
Haha fair
I saw this in the theatre when I was 10. At the time I enjoyed and then over the next years I started to really dislike it because it had to much penguin. As an adult I’ve grown an appreciation for the film and understanding this is a Burton film with Batman in it. The film has some really great stuff and it also has some really weird what the hell burton stuff in it. I would rank it 4th out of the 90’s films. I have a soft spot for forever and b&r. They are both basically big budget versions of the 60’s tv show.
They are
This one was the first movie my dad took me too and it changed my life. It made me fall in love with the character. So I'm one of those people lol. I can definitely see that this movie has a ton of flaws but I really don't care. Great episode! I was looking forward to this specific episode and you guys are freaking great! I love the rewatches!
Thank you Serge!!
🤣🤣❤ Great Review. Can't wait for ya review of Just Friends. Sometimes tells me you may of known someone like chubby Ryan Reynolds 🎶 I Swear.🎶
I cannot stand that movie haha
I think the movie holds up ok, got some crazy stuff i didnt notice as a kid when i first saw it. But probably regarded better as it was followed by 2 movies most ppl feel are much wwaker. The best part of these rewatches for me has to be that it reminds me of how my buddies and i would discuss a movie we just saw outside the theater without hurting feelings (too much lol)
I love hearing that! Thank you!
I've read the original script for this film (it's online), and while Penguin and Catwoman were underdeveloped in it, I liked it and felt it had a clear and focused story. The only similarities are the Christmas setting, Penguin and Catwoman as villains, the plot point of Batman being framed for murder, and the moment Batman's cape turns into a glider. Everything else was different as the plot was about Penguin and Catwoman looking for hidden treasure, Batman was the focus instead of Penguin, Penguin was not deformed but a short man called Mr. Bonaface, Vicki Vale returns, Robin appears, Gordon has a lot more to do, Harvey Bullock appears but is called Eddie, the final battle is in Wayne Manor and the Batcave, and Bruce proposes to Vicki at the end
That sounds better
This draft was so much better. I heard it in podcast form and I wish this was the movie they made. It was a murder mystery and that’s way more in line with Batman’s world than a freak with flipper hands and a girl who got licked by cats and became catwoman lol.
@@TheKristianHarloff Respectfully disagree.
This was a great rewatch (again). 🙂
This movie mostly stuck with me because of the NES or SNES videogame. It was SUPER hard and we played this forever. I didn't even remember the weird clowns and all those other illustrious characters from the movie, but I still see them before my mental eye when I think back to the videogame (they were very hard to beat).
So I did see this movie as a kid and I remember how enthralled I was with Catwoman and for a long time, I thought this was the better Batman movie (without seeing it over and over again; just my initial idea after seeing it for the first time). But watching it back, I thought that the first Batman was better as it was more grounded than the cartoony and weirder stuff that happens in this movie.
Oh, and all the toys, etc.. I remember asking for a LOT of them. ^^
Thank you for your continued support and comments!!
When Penguin is doing research, he's finding the names of the Gotham elite's first born so he can kill them.
Yup!
I agree with you. I love this movie because it came out when I was a little kid, and my dad had already shown me the first Batman. He even made me leather Penguin gloves because he did upholstery. I don’t really think it’s that great of a film, but the nostalgia is there for me. It kinda feels like a screwed up live action Batman The Animated Series movie, and I love that, but it definitely gets pretty weird in places. ✌️🤙
Sure does!
Have you three ever noticed in Shrecks/Walkens office he has pictures of himself with celebrities on his wall? One picture is him with Arnold Schwarzenegger. Do you think this was a happy coincidence or pre planning for Mr. Freeze. Check it out and let me know.
I did notice that!
Make sure you watch Jim Carrey’s interview on the Howard Stern Show where he talks about Tommy Lee Jones before you guys talk about Batman Forever next week
Oh I know the stories haha, can't wait to discuss
These rewatches have been my replacement for losing the Innergeekdom show. Winston and Coy are the best!
They are!
Kristian have you listened to the main The Batman score? Holy crap! Incredible
I want to wait until I see the movie!
In terms of enjoyment, I get the same amount from watching the Burton movies as I do watching the Schumacher movies. My main introduction to Batman was Batman Begins, Year One and The Long Halloween. The Burton movies feel like just that to me, Burton movies not Batman movies. I appreciate the film making of the Burton movies and the practical effects that make the Penguin so visceral, but that's about it unfortunately. As always, really enjoyed hearing you guys talk about it!
Thank you Alex!
Penguin already knew who his parents was. He was looking for Gotham's first born childrens. Sick...
💯
Truth
When I was a kid, I saw Batman Returns before I saw Batman, but I must've been 6 or maybe 7 by the time I really saw the first Batman and I immediately knew it was better than Batman Returns was. It just felt like it had a weight to it that Returns didn't have. As grotesque as Danny's Penguin was, I was never really scared of him, he felt desperate or something to me, meanwhile Jack's Joker legitimately made me uncomfortable, scared me, made me laugh, and creeped me the hell out, but in a good way. Also, being a fan of the animated series and the comics even back then, the '89 film felt much more in-line with the flavor and essence of those things. Like, it felt the most "Batman" of all the Batman movies at the time, like I was watching the real Batman and the real Joker that the comics and TV shows were "based on", if that makes sense. Now as an adult, I see why I felt that way. Batman is definitively the better film. The mix of Tim Burton's gothic dark fairy-tale themes/sense of humor, combined with the classic 30's/40's gangster/film noir elements of the movie, combined with Anton Furst's industrial/expressionist set design(which blows Bo Welch's typical "Burton-centric" set design for Batman Returns out of the water), was the perfect mix for Batman.
Great points
i remember being Catwoman 93-95 Halloween and it was because of this movie and the animated series.
Lots of people!
I remember I re watched this to show my younger siblings and I forgot how dirty the penguin was. I was like wtf? When did this movie turn rated R lol
Haha
🤣 love Kris passionate hate to this movie. Funny thing is I love this movie. Love the Burton in it. Was the first movie I ever watch at the movie teacher, so It has sooo much nostalgia for me. But I understand how somebody who does not have the nostalgia factor can hate it. Love the dark them, this movie was the reason Batman and Spawn were always my favorite “heroes” as a kid.
Lots of people LOVE this movie!
No Mask of Phantasm review coming?
Unfortunately no and I wanted to because I have never seen it!! But we only have 7 total eps leading to The Batman. Burton, Shumacker, Nolan
This film is solid
Fair enough!
Honest question but if Keaton is coming back as Batman could we see Pfeiffer come back as Catwoman? Or even have a nod to her in flash or batgirl
I mean why not?
It's nice to hear Kristian just straight up hate on a movie. Cracks me up so much that he didn't even have this much vitriol for TLJ🤣 I feel the same way about Zack Snyder's comic movies and The Rise of Skywalker: just plain stupid, terrible movies that aren't even entertaining. As far as Batman Returns goes, i loved it when it first came out (i was a teenager so i thought it was sooo dark and edgy lol) but, while i don't hate it, it is not great. Still, it's 100% more enjoyable than BvS. Pfeiffer is really good and so beautiful. The chemistry between her and Keaton is palpable.
Yeah but the difference (not saying you do this) but I don't shit on anyone who DOES like this movie. It is their taste not mine.
@@TheKristianHarloff Very true, i used to be the same way (down on people for liking something). Now i am much more understanding and try to see it through their eyes. My wife, for example, loves the Twilight movies. I watched them all with her and i don't get it. Meant a lot to her though. I have friends who LOVE The Rise of Skywalker. I am jealous of them and wish i could enjoy it the way they do. I totally agree with you that the conversation around movies/books/games has become too politicized and polarized. Sadly, it is the angry vocal minority that tends to pull people down to their level rather than the conversation staying civil. I am guilty of this at times too and am trying to be better.
The penguin was working on a plan for all of Gotham’s first borns.
Yea
Signed up for the 10$ tier. Would love a The Thing watch with Dorina as a guest.
Thank you! Looking forward to those!