Here's What Skyward Sword HD *NEEDS* to Change
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 11 มิ.ย. 2024
- My grandma--ever the optimist--would say that Skyward Sword is an excellent opportunity for improvement. And if Nintendo wants Skyward Sword HD to resonate more strongly with players this time around, here are some changes they absolutely need to make.
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The only addition I need is for Fi to alert me when my joycons are drifting
Damn it, I was gonna make that joke. "Master, your Joy Con appears to be drifting."
But then she will be alerting you all the time
You just won the comment section.
"Master, you joycon are drifting. Do you want to continue playing?"
>Joycon drift and accidentally select "no"
"Okay Master, do you want to save before quitting?"
>Cries as my joycon drift and select "no" again
“It’s not a real problem”
And it still baffles me that most people don't realize just how BIG of a deal it was for BotW to start the game like "Here, this is your character, this is the world, go at it". No tutorials, npcs talking, nothing. The game just starts right away.
I think Nintendo needs to strike the perfect balance between the two for today's standards. With Skyward Sword the lack of exploration got tiresome, and without an engaging story/characters/overall theme/tonal atmosphere BoTW got boring.
The start of the game is a forced tutorial until you unlock the glider. The genius part is letting the mechanics speak for themselves instead of having the old man following you around the plateau and screaming HEY LISTEN, YOU NEED TO DO THIS every 30 seconds.
@@nosephhh1570 wdym like it was all the way through even post game
Actually, BotW does have a tutorial, it just makes it much less obvoius. In order to get off the plateau(the intended way), you have to awaken the shiekah tower, talk with the old man a few times and aquire and learn to use the runes, get the 4 spirit orbs from the shrines, then solve the old man's riddle to find the old man on top of the temple and talk to him again.
The revolutionary thing is more how subtle Nintendo makes the tutorial, so that it doesn't feel at all like you are following a scripted path, though you actually kinda are. Adding a lot of monsters, hidden chests and a mini boss on the plateau, in adition to making the shrines completable in any order was a stroke of genius though, as it makes the tutorial feel less like a tutorial, and more like a non- linear gameplay experience, like the rest of the game. I have seen many people who end up spending between 3 and 10 hours on this tutorial section, while enjoying every bit of it.
SS, TP and WW all have lengthy introductions that have long story segments with a few gameplay tutorials sprinkled throughout. While these tutorials are usually just about 1-2 hours, they don't allow the player to do much optional content, and they are all extremely linear, making the 1-2 hour inteoduction to these games feel more stale than the usually 3-10 hour tutorial area of BotW.
@@nosephhh1570 yeah I found the characters in BOTW to be quite boring as far as Zelda characters go (with a few exceptions.) if I can get traditional dungeons with the exploratory nature of BOTW I’ll be good. Also, weapons that don’t break. It was an interesting mechanic initially but later on I was begging for a more traditional weapon experience
I’m probably the only one that thinks this, but I found Fi hilarious because of how robotic and socially inept she was. She would pop in and inform at the worst times and I had a riot of a time
best one for me was Link in FLAMES staring gormlessly at Fi telling him that the room 95% likely to be too hot. Just absurd.
(I have hated her on my first run already, and I never did a second run because of her)
@@Goddot Still better than navi in the original ocarina of time. Not that it ever bothered me but alot of people dreaded that "HEY! LISTEN!" lol. I honestly would love to see a remake other than the 3ds version where she and the other fairies actually have viable bodies instead of being light bulbs with wings. Maybe more of a role in the story with actual conversations and things she can do instead of just being the lock on pointer.
@@zero00044 the "hey listen" wasn't a bother to me, compared to HEY YA BATTERY BE EMPTY NOISE NOISE it's frankly relaxing. The swooshing sounds Navy does all the time when targetting something however would get really bad at times, when she swooshes rapidly from ennemy to ennemy. The fight against two lizalfosses at once was quite the experience, with their squeak and Navy and the steel on steel clanks.
Thing is, it was by accident so to speak, for 95% of the game her swooshing is barely noticeable.
Fi however... They should have known better
@@zero00044 At least Navi was sassy, which is some personality to speak of. Reminded me of Sprite from the LoZ cartoon.
@@zero00044 I think they might be committed to the little glowy balls given that’s how they’re also portrayed in BOTW. Maybe that is canon - fairys in Zelda are tiny little colourful bulbs with wings lmao
By the third day of watching me play, even my daughter acknowledged the overabundance of “You found a thing!” in SS. “We aweddy know what tat is...”
She was five.
Sounds like my niece when she plays Shield. "NOOOO! NOT HOP!"
@@clarkside4493 even kids didn't like hop?
Cute 💖
sounds fake
@@DragonSmithEve 5 year olds aren't as dumb as you think lol
In Mario Odyssey, Cappy talks to you a lot, but he doesn't stop the gameplay. Make Fi like that.
Honestly, this is the best idea I've heard. Do this and take spoilers for puzzles out (or make them optional) and I think you've got a good system.
Exactly, a very good point, I hate hand-holding but in Zelda I hate it twice as much, because you need to stop every time someone talks to you.
Look at Kid Icarus Uprising, dialogue that doesn’t interrupt the flow of the game
True but the cutscene that plays when you collect a Moon absolutely does interrupt gameplay
I think this could be a setting, say you can choose to have fi like normal, talk to you without pausing the game and talk a little less, or just not talk at all unless you press down on the D pad
Can't wait to see Link scream in terror as Groose falls down onto him in HD
[SPOILERS]
That and "Grooseland" are some of my favourite moments in video games as a whole lmao
I can't wait for all the updated 2011/2012 memes from that moment!
Groozinator man
Groose: Best character in all of Zelda. My favorite rendition of his theme is "Dejected Groose". I think that one plays when he finally accepts that he's just a side character and not the main hero? It's been a LONG time since I played this game.
They can fix Fi by making 80% of her messages optional, and having the alert sound play once instead of over and over again
Master; There's a 97 percent chance your smoke alarm needs it's battery changed. (Chiiiiiiiiiirp)
Or do like other Nintendo games and have her speak WHILE you're playing the game (like Cappy in Mario Odyssey).
@@paperluigi6132 Crappy?
Good news, she's still there, but you can skip her faster than a bat outta hell. Honestly? I can live with that compromise.
well honestly the sequel trilogy really doesn't dive deep enough into the background of the characters enough for me to care about them too much so it really-
i just hate how they treated luke in the last jedi and i h at e everything about the dumpster fire that is the rise of skywaker
The sequel trilogry could have been great had they made snoke a version of sideous' that forgot his past/didn't come back right. Making it cannon so Sideous learnwd the power of coming back from Dath Plagus and enabeling him to be the big bad. And make Rey the secret descendant of Quigon Jyn who no one knew about. Quigon already did shit behind the councils back so having a kid wouldn't be too far fetched.
What is that background song that is playing at the beginning of the video?
The Prequel trilogy was AMAZING, just as good as the Original Trilogy, too bad too many people where scared that it was a little bit different than the O.T., so they decided to hate on it, hurting George Lucas’s feelings and making him sell the whole franchise to Disney, which then F*cked it up so royally to the point were even the prequel haters were now going back and saying how good the prequels were compared to Disney’s sh!t...
@@crazysilly2914 the song at the begin of Arlo's video is Knights Academy from Skyward Sword, I think. th-cam.com/video/cTqpwHtQFRo/w-d-xo.html
I can't wait to hear Fi say, "Master, your Joy-Con appears to be drifting."
Lol
“Link let me teach you how to speak”
Can’t wait to tell me my switch lite is running out of batteries.
"Master, your Joy-Cons are definitely perfectly fine and definitely don't need any repairs but I think you should replace them anyway. They're not drifting- that's not real, I promise". FTFY
God no...
I knew Fi was over-the-top when I reached the boss door of the Sand Ship dungeon and she thought it necessary to inform me that this was a boss door.
So dumb
*sees a huge door with a special lock*
"Hmmm, I wonder what could be behind this door. Maybe a chest?"
I was like no shit sherlock
It holds great importance of you didn't know
You’re just acting like you knew what it was now that she told you
Grown ass man that I am decided to get up this morning to watch a youtube video starring Grover's lost cousin lecture me on Skyward Sword's problems. What is my life?
This is THE life, my grown ass friend.
whatever you make of it
It's sad that Fi is such a bad game mechanic given how endearing she is as a character. I really loved her progression from basically an Alexa to a robot grappling with feelings of love and appreciation.
Exactly, that's why I don't find her annoying at all. Heck with how empty the surface got at times it was nice to have an adventure buddy
Great as a character, annoying as a mechanic.
It was terminator 2, except just annoying
Fi really embodies the joke that Game Grumps made about her:
"I'm here to halt your progress"
"Byeee. See you in 20 seconds"
And then they proceed to halt their own progress themselves for 20 minutes, immediately after Fi has said everything and had left.
Truth is, Fi was made for specifically them.
Fi was made for Dumb Grumps
But you should have an option to switch her off, and if you keep getting stick you can switch her back on
@@byronlyons3548 exactly
“Master your Wii remote’s battery appears to be low”
What annoys me the most about how they handled Fi is that I really liked her character in the story sections, and I think more people would appreciate her if she wasn't so insufferable during gameplay.
I did like fi because she is a guide through the game and gives good hints to whoever's is playing the game this game can be made by a beginner who's new to video games and an intermediate in video games and an expert gamer who knows how to play video games naturally because they started a long time and people hate fi because I can feel that she makes the player read and she appears often and having people to read her dialogue maybe that's one of the reasons but many people can disagree on this but I prefer fi over midna
This. I rather like all of Link's proxy speech companions, and they all have a real sense of identity. Fi was no exception, going the whole spirit of the sword/magical AI that slowly sort of develops emotions route. On paper she's great. But god... not in practice...
It's a good thing that Fi has a role of guiding you what to do. It's better than getting stuck and not knowing what to do.
@@thealmightyfalcon1359 not that she helps you when you don't know what to do and your stuck and she doesn't pop up you can call her out and she gives you good tips that can actually help you progress
@@thealmightyfalcon1359 midna doesn't do that she just makes you think even more that's why I preferred skyward sword than twilight princess and it's my top 3 favorite zelda games
"And while you're at it, throw in Origami King, Pokemon Sword & Shield..."
Oh no.
"...and the entire Star Wars sequel trilogy."
*_Oh, NO..._*
Oh no no no no no
Fi just knows that after her purpose is fulfilled she will be completely alone for pretty much the rest of her existance so she feels like she needs to do as much talking as she can now before she wont be able to. Hahaha
Haha? :(
I calculate an 85% chance your comment is correct
Damn thats depressing 😢😳
"Hopefully Nintendo has learned to value the player's time."
Meanwhile, Animal Crossing players be like, "Sure, I'll come to your island. Just give me 10 minutes to navigate Orville's convoluted dialogue options and go through the ridiculously long flight screen."
I haven't played since august, and they still didn't fix this shit? God...
The most infuriating part of Orville's dialog tree is that if you pick a wrong option, you have to go all the way back to the beginning.
Yeah, the lack of respect for the player's time is one of the biggest reason why I've given New Horizon's a pass. That, and everything that's missing.
I still haven't tried Animal Crossing for reasons exactly like this.
That and the ridiculous amount of loading screens
Arlo lore update: he talks with his grandmother about skyward sword and she tells him to shut his little blue mouth.
Fascinating
We was eating a popsicle
@@MythicHuskii ummmmmm no
Developing the deep lore
Skyward sword is a game that would benefit tremendously from a full remake, and not just a remaster. There's so much in the game that is great, but there are just as many things that are infuriating. A remaster could never fully fix the game because there's too much to fix, but a remake could.
yup, there are some neat ideas here and there, But everything else in the game is so bad it just drags everything down.
I just saw the video Nintendo released about Skyward Sword's quality of life changes. They fixed every single problem Arlo mentioned in this video. Wasn't expecting that
I'd really like it if they did the Odyssey approach for Fi. She can show up to talk during gameplay, giving clues and advice, but you can still move around and interact with stuff. Then, if you need her, press a button to bring up her menu.
I don’t even think there was an option to manually talk to Cappu, he’d only speak for story purposes or if you didn’t know where to go and EVEN THEN that didn’t interrupt game play
Odyfi O-Fi
Odyfi O-Fi
@@fight_and_die1573 I think op is talking about the hint toad in the game
I think the real problem is that she stops the game to talk to you. If a little message popped up at the bottom of the screen when she would normally have an alert, then that would be miles better.
"Link do you want me to manually teach about breathing? You seem to be hyperventilating"
Fi: "Link, you seem to be holding the goddess sword in the wrong hand."
Link: "I'm left-handed! Hey, Aonuma; stop making me right-handed!"
Ha funny name. That's what my friend used to call me. Except he added popper at the end😉
"Watching you try to think is awful, youre not a game journalist are you?"
Link: calmly puts the sword on the ground, hops on his bird and flips everyone off as his sails into the sky
I like how on most of those polls most of the people said they beat it and he acted like a way larger majority of people said they didnt
yeah. very weird
Uh, no? The point was that a lot of people diddnt beat it, he never once acted as if the majority diddnt. Sure, most people in the poll beat it, but the percentage of people that diddnt is not small in comparison to the number of people that did. It doesn't matter if they are in the minority, the amount of people who diddnt bother to finish the game should not be as many as that poll.
@@ahumanbeingfromtheearth1502 I mean he kinda did, "Look at HOW MANY people didn't bother finishing the game" sounds as if there would be alot more
@@jakeskehan6735 looking at the bars it's at least a quarter to a third, possibly more. Frankly if i made a game that that many people did not finish it I would consider that to be a lot of people. A game Is doing something wrong if at least 1 out of 4 people from a random sample loose interest in it before it's even over.
@@ahumanbeingfromtheearth1502 I mean technically if a game sells, it's done its job from Nintendos perspective, look at some of the lackluster games they're putting out nowadays. I never said skyward sword had nothing wrong with it, idk where you go that from, but Arlo made it sound like it was a bigger number of people with the words he used.
"you are a baby, and fi is your mommy"
goddamnit arlo thanks for awaknening something in me
Kawaii XD
Uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
some people already thought of fi as their mommy. For different reasons.
fuckin ew dude
HAHAHA
“Shut. Your. Little. Blue. Mouth.”
Not gonna lie, joke went over my head for a second, my blue furry friend.
I still don't get it?
@@marioreyes6455 Fi and Arlo both have blue mouths
@@Jixer95 Ohhhhhhh. I get it now. Thanks.
What is that background song that is playing at the beginning of the video?
@@crazysilly2914 it’s the knights barracks for SS
The fact that there’s a hint stone thing in skyward sword is hysterical
idk bro i ended up using it for the Red Stone puzzle...
That was in ocarina of time as well yet navi wouldn't let you move without a "hey listen" every five seconds. I'm still surprised as to why I was ok with that as a kid. My fave will always be LTP.
I only used it once. To figure out how to get under skyloft when the little girl gets kidnapped.
@@Openreality come on, youre exaggerating a lot. Not only did navi say something way less often but also the stuff she said was usually pretty pointless. She never spoiled riddles or anything like that. It was more just a reminder of "What happened last time you were playing"
@Anonymous Turkey The main difference is that Navi says hey and the C Up button prompt appears, but it's voluntary to trigger(Except inside the Deku Tree). Fi stops the gameplay dead in it's tracks to let you know about something Whether you want to know it or not.
7:32 “I caught a sea bass! No, wait - it’s at least a C+!”
they need to take off instant fast travel from the amiibo and put it into the base game
No. People want Amiibo gameplay integration. Instant fast travel was not in the base game so its not going to be added. Simple.
I actually hate that feature. It makes no sense in the story of the game.
Alternate title: Arlo slowly grows insane remembering Wii-era Nintendo
My name was James first
@@jamescarwin8968 I'm not convinced. You guys should fight to the death over it.
I've yet to understand why some fans prefer that Nintendo over the modern one.
Wii-era Nintendo was amazing!! New Super Mario Bros Wii, Super Smash Bros Brawl, Wii Sports Resort, TLOF Twilight Princess, etc. These games will always have a place in my heart ❤
@@fluffynator6222 Because of nostalgia.
I'm a die hard skyward sword fan, but honestly, any touches that make the game more enjoyable im totally on board for.
I love the game too but there are flaws. Improvements must be made.
Also a SS fan, I really hope Nintendo fixes the more controversial issues and this game gets the love it needs, because the story is lovely and, as stated by Aonuma himself, it pioneered many mechanics that made BoTW as beloved and dynamic as it is
Very true. I hope they really do this remake justice so more players jump onboard
I'm right there with ya. Some criticisms are a bit overly critical in my opinion. (I really like that everything is motion controlled; I think the content reuse makes for clever map design; the slower-paced role-playing aspects bring the game to life; etc.) Still, there are certainly improvements to be made!
@@Klffsj I wouldn't put myself in "fan" title, but the mechanical fixes and touches would do a lot. My personal complains are more around organization/structure, the "hyper linearity." (That's a "thing" not worth getting on. I like Twilight [Wolf&Midna] and I'ma a Ocarina/Majora's person.) I liked the story mostly, and liked the "role-play" story bit; that all is probably my favorite thing along with the gratitude collecting for Batreaux. Liked the progression of/with Groose too.
I guess I got "lucky" with the motion controls working super well for me, almost never needed to calibrate the wii-mote. Though combat with Bokoblins was the worst cause they'd snap to block... the electric sword ones were "better" cause I could take a heart and then just sorta spam stun-lock kill them. Otherwise I really like the motion-controls, but also I loved the idea of it, so... ^^
I found the repeat Ghirahim more tedious then the Imprisoned, those were alright and not much trouble. Similar to the Bokoblins and with my motion control luck, of the Ghirahim fights I abused the motion controls to stun-lock him for at least more damage then is intended and at least a full kill on one of them. (Fast little waggling swinging though not a guarantee.)
Places and characters where cool and neat. Same with the designs and aesthetics. Lanayru was/is particularly intriguing.
With Twilight Princess and what Arlo mentions about some people with the beginning, that's more of a problem with replaying it. So many mandatory little tutorial activities and a few just vaguely build-up story. Skywards beginning is alot of almost like a little visual novel stuff.
Speaking of that though; I liked the returns, but I probably wouldn't want to do those again either.
Don't know if there's anything to those old rumors of its production or not, but really the stick controls alone would make it even playable, cause regards of any other opinionated complaints, that's by far the biggest objective issue I've seen most people say.
And like Arlo implies, most of those opinions or ones on the structure would be making another game entirely, or vastly so.
Yeah, one of the most egregious examples of Fi being Fi came from Mathewmatosis's review where about 10 hours into the game where he had already collected a bunch of Goddess Cubes or whatever, Fi felt the need to reiterate what a Goddess Cube is.
All of these points seemed so minor that honestly I never had a problem with the only main problem I had was just the motion controls but obviously with the newer controls this probably won't be as big of a problem I'm honestly just excited to play it again.
It makes me glad Breath of the Wild did not pause the game upon finding small items constantly.
oh god, I forgot about that. I think I buried that frustration.
It does. For the first time, anyway. Then never again. Which is fine.
@@OmegaChase1002 but not at all for rupees. it's almost surreal how little fanfare there was around rupees in BotW, and how few you find in nature.. brought you back to the old NES days in a way, and made you much more focused on merchants and selling stuff.
It does that whenever you get Korok seeds
Every once in a while you get a pop-up after picking up an item you already have in your inventory. It's only slightly annoying.
I would rather have Arlo screaming at me, telling me that "HEY YOUR HEARTS ARE LOW, HEY" instead of having Fi remind me.
Same lol
Wait...
There's a difference?
The sound isn't even bad. Why does Link to the Past got off Scott free. It has the worst low heart sound effect I've ever heard.
The silent realms scared me so much that I couldn’t leave the safe circle.
Oh yes Fi, I remember that time, when there's a cinematic of Eldin Volcano exploding, after the scene finish in just 2 seconds Fi stops the game and tells you urgent advice "master Link, the volcano just exploded, be careful" , just in case you didn't noticed the rivers of lava she has to warn you, lol is so annoying
"Yes, I know what an amber relic is. I don't need to be reminded for the 17th time"
only 17th?
Rookie numbers
Arin was getting really mad about that in the Game Grumps Playthrough
@@antboogie1350 "Skyward Sword... PLEASE SHOW ME WHERE IT GOES IN MY INVENTORY!!!!" Probably my favorite thing he kept doing through that playthrough
@@antboogie1350 chuggaconroy and his splash screen count followed by Link's blood curling screams
"Fi is your mommy."
I'm sure a lot of people are into that.
Hell yeah, I'm into that
@@thegreygoblin5165 stop
@@Mr.Bababooey no
that’s me
Lmfao 😂
Haha talking about challange. I just finished SS for the first time (on seitch) and I completely understand that some people couldn’t stand the ”game enders”. But for me the silent realm trials were some of the game’s most enjoyable parts. I loved being stripped down of all but my clothes and having to use my knowledge of the areas I had spent so much time in o figure out where the drops might be and how to get them. And the atmosphere i duced SO much tention. No otherpart of the game raised my pulse just as much.
I'm just here for the link to the Quality of Life improvements trailer live reaction video.
"Shut... your... little... blue... mouth." --Arlo's Grandmother, apparently. Lol!
Wow. I kinda want to see his grandma now.lol
@@T-Dawg75 NOW.LOL IS THE BEST WEBSITE IN EXISTENCE
I was about to ask why Arlo had a mouth, but I forgot he was a blue monster lol
@@krimorant omg I didn’t realize that it turned into not a url! I may fix it now.lol
Grandmarlo
Honestly my biggest problem with skyward sword is that every single time i thought “wow im actually having fun maybe this game is better than i think” it INMEDIATELY makes me do something tedious like having to revisit the first temple for some WATER
They could seriously just take out that quest and nothing would be lost in the story lmao. The least they could do would be to add a piece of heart in the dungeon that requires bombs/gust bellows to give the player some sort of actual intensive to go back.
I’m fine with going back to old areas, but they gotta have some stuff that was teased the first time round that was inaccessible, and now you have the abilities to access it, and it opens up a whole new section you didn’t know existed, and there are new gameplay mechanics in it...
Semi ran into this issue with Twilight Princess especially in the first half with the tear of light stuff. Skyward Sword had a lot of these though. Some of the tasks could’ve just been optional side quests
I never found any of that backtracking all that bad. Only really in theory does it sound bad. But for backtracking in any game, the things it had you doing were far better than any other game I've played.
The only part I didn't like was going through the first dungeon to get water.
But it's takes all of five seconds to just straight through the dungeon.
@@JetpackGamer456 I hate the tad tone quest. Now THAT is a quest that could be taken out and nothing changed. It's just swimming around for way too long to get stuff that was purposely thrown there by an arrogant dragon that somehow thinks you are not good enough even after healing him and clearing a water dungeon.
I didn’t realize how long the TP opening was until I tried replaying it, there were so many segments I forgot. I also fell asleep while trying to replay it because I had just happened to pull an all-nighter the night before each time I tried replaying it for some reason.
Hey, y'all, just a little observation, but I don't think he likes Fi very much.
that obvious statement sounds like something Fi would say.
I didn't think the intro was boring or long, I actually thought it was a really good opening
Yeah same
I mean I think it’s simple since it’s a remastered, it’s been a game long enough that if you’re not a fan of story driven games then you shouldn’t play it to then complain about it. No reason to change it.
Yeah, one of the reasons Twilight is the best 3d zelda is because they make you actually give a damn about the side characters.
I actually quite enjoy the silent realms, but I suppose not everybody does.
Same here, they were intense!
Me too!
The only one I didn't like was the one on Lanayru Desert.
The silent realms were great if you didn't fail them. If you failed them, you started from scratch, and not everybody is as pro a gamer as you.
It was intense but verrry time consuming when you made little slip ups. Was there a time limit? That shouldn’t be there with everything else
I adore Skyward Sword
Beautiful Art Style
Masterful Soundtrack
Fun Controls
Breath Taking Story
Great Characters
Knowing Nintendo and how they've been treating their re-releases. They're going to do the bare minimum just like with Mario 3D All Stars.
Well, you were right, and, just like what they did with the Mario Galaxy port in 3D All-Stars, they didn't account for left-handed players.
well they did better than what we thought.
I loved the long intro in Teilight Princess. It really builds up your role in the community and how peaceful it is. Then it gets flipped on its head and everything goes south and you feel that. I know a lot of people just wanna get into the game right away, but for me it was important in TP.
See I didn't like that because I don't like the kids or Ilya. So the first part and the heavy story parts featuring the kids/ilya annoyed the heck out of me.
@@nworder4life yeah I like the beginning for the same reason the original poster said. But they could have made the characters way more likable. They all just look weird and are annoying
@@valetterenoux2285 Yup, TP would be way higher on my list if not the top if they could have removed all of that nonsense from the game.
Yeah, it makes the attack on the village much more devastating when it happens
If only the beginning village, and it's citizens had anything worth of importance, aside from one time only with the Mayor giving you Iron Boots. Maybe then I would agree with you. But they don't, and there was no reason for the kidnapping at all to happen. Honestly Link walking out of the village, and out onto the field to see most of Hyrule covered in Twilight would be a good enough reason for him to go out on an adventure and save the land. Especially when they don't really do anything with the kids, beyond being a plot device.
Fi's problem was that she was supposed to be an integral part of the story but they couldn't have a Hylian sized robot imouto floating at your side the entire time the way Navi did. So, they decided that the best way for her to remain relevant was that she would regularly talk to Link, as a companion on the adventure rather than a flying hint buddy. The problem is that they just went overboard. If most of her appearances become optional and they get rid of or limit the horrific pinging sound when she wants to talk, I think she'll be a much better companion.
Just make it so that she still gives you hints, but doesn't interrupt gameplay. They did that for Cappy in Mario Odyssey and it worked wonders.
IMO they could've fixed it by having her speech simply pop up in a bubble on the HUD while you play (and allow you to turn them off). If they ABSOLUTELY HAVE to have her say every single one of these things, they could at least not make you stop playing while she does it.
That, and they wrote her localization with the grace and nuance of stubbing your toe under the door sill. I didn't care for Fi in the slightest, nor what role she had in the overarching story because she had the entire personality of a 1970s programming language. Too many numbers, not enough human expressions.
She, as a character, I gave the same treatment towards Other M: It'd be better if it didn't exist and was excised from the canon.
So what are your thoughts on what we know about the quality of life improvements to date? It would be cool to have a follow up video to this with the launch in three days.
I'm guessing Arlo will be happy with the latest trailer which shows they fixed a couple if not all of his problems with Skyward Sword
I really wish Fi said your batteries are running low in Breath of the Wild when Zelda says she can hear the voice in the sword.
Fi needs to exist in BOTW 2
At least make some sort of appearance
@@thx4chrckingin she technically did
Fi already had a dedicated button. Just make her not show up and give you hints automatically, but you can push that button to hear whatever help she has for you if you need it. If you don't need it, you won't push the button.
Or make her grab something for you
Exactly.
Just make her face appear on the button when she has something to say
The problem being her hints were typically useless chaff.
Oh, and Downsing. He didn't even mention what a worthless mechanic that ws.
Some of her hints are actually important. People would take a while to unlock the Thundercloud without Fi.
11:36 I love how he kinda laughed at his impression of the notification
ironically enough, Skyward Sword is my second or third favourite 3D zelda title, and also the first one that I played. I really like it, but I think the problem with Fi talking too much, the hand-holding nature of the game and that one part of Eldin Volcano where you need to roll the bomb flowers into holes to drain the lava should be reworked, along with maybe a better way to use the goddess sword without using the right analog stick because how else am I going to use the camera? Furthermore, Barry of Game Grumps fame made a really good video years back about the sky area in SS, and how it could be reworked to make it more fun to navigate - it's a really good video and I strongly agree with he talked about, and would love to see a more fun and expansive sky area with more clouds and things to do. Also more Ghirahim tongue moments because they're weird and uncomfortable and I like that
Maybe also some lighting changes? The game is quite bright at times, I think it could do with more visually dark areas; such as the cave in the beginning of the game and the underwater cave in the Faron region
Apparently even Aonuma came to regret how much Fi coddles you, so I can't imagine them not cutting down on her stuff.
I will say, even as someone who likes Skyward Sword, I agree with most of your points.
Despite all the game's flaws, I still contend that to this day Skyward Sword has some of the best dungeons in the entire Zelda series.
Agreed!
Best themes certainly but not best puzzle designs.
Best dungeons, best characters, best Link and Zelda, best music, best combat, best items... I could go on.
It doesn’t _need_ to be $60, I know that for a fact.
You don't *need* to buy it 🙄
You just reminded me why I beat that game back in 2011 and knew in my heart that I would never ever pop that disc into my Wii ever again.
"You are a baby. And Fi is your mommy!" Arlo 2021
That would be terrible. AI can't comprehend needed emotion for a kid.
*well I mean, if you're into that*
MOMMYDOM FI CONFIRMED?!?!?!?!!?!
@@yu-nee4642 Fi lacks the needed human emotion to understand and council a baby. Ok gonna be stuck thinking about Mommy Fi now unfortunately.
@@yu-nee4642 Please don't. There's already too much foot-fetish stuff of her out there, we really don't need to encourage them
I honestly had no idea that the game's opening was so divisive. I've actually been talking about this elsewhere today, but Skyward sword is actually one of my top 5 Zelda games, probably tied with Breath of the Wild. The other thing that caught me off guard was the bit about not wanting to go back and talk to the characters in Skyloft. I don't think I ever felt that way. To me, it was, "Oh ya, I'm talking to this person, so they're going to say their thing," and I was perfectly fine with that.
Yeah. The opening is fine. Unlike the Twilight Princess Tutorial it has a lot of memorable interactions between Link and the residents of Skyloft that make it worth sitting through. Ask me to name random side characters in Zelda and I'd probably remember the Fortune Teller before I remember a single character in the TP Tutorial. Not to mention it has one of the best character introductions in video game history, let alone Zelda: Groose.
EDIT: The Imprisoned and Silent Realm deserve to be forgotten with all of 2000's Nintendo's other horrible game design choices though.
Skyward Sword is actually my #1 Zelda game. I never had a problem with so many of its apparent issues. Motion controls worked just fine for me, I found the Silent Realms and the Imprisoned fairly easy, and I thought some of the “annoying” bits like the tadtone collecting were fun. I think a lot of people’s problems with the game come from a lack of patience and their own human error rather than the game itself, but of course everyone has different tastes in games.
@@jay-rc8hh not sure it's entirely fair to say anyone who doesn't like the game is impatient and bad at it... especially when something like Fi's constant interruptions is just. purely a bad and annoying design choice. you can like it and still admit it has problems.
@@jay-rc8hh Rule of thumb: if it's stressful enough that it could put an overweight 17 year old (like me when I last played Skyward Sword) on the verge of having a heart attack, it's probably not fun.
@@HunterStiles651 "Heartpounding" is usually a positive for action or stealth sequences, which seem to be what people are talking about.
I just want a thing given to us at the end of the game that gives us the ability to fly at night. All I want.
When Fi mentioned the batteries being low I knew that they had roughly an hour left on em
complaining about the sacred realms in skyward sword is weird to me since thats probably the only part that stuck out to me , it wa scary and fun getting trough , the only thing i hated were the goddamn harp sections where i had to flail my arm to the beat.
i agree, i also liked them, but mandatory stealth sections in games that are not stealth games can be very irritating. especially if they are harsh with time limits/no checkpoints. it's simply a very different genre than what the player signed up for
Ikr! They were my favourite part of the game!
Arlo mentioning that he has gripes with Star Wars’ Sequel Trilogy at the very end made me love him that much more.
To be fair he never said he disliked them, just that he knows it's controversial
And Starfox Zero.
@@HeilRay He does have videos on it I believe
That’s like the weirdest thing to like somebody over
@@argo9721
Its like liking somebody for liking Mommy Milkers.
I mean COOL as fuk, but yeah, a lot of people do...like a LOT.
My biggest complaint about Skyward Sword coming to the Switch is the price.
@MetaBeta :/ honestly the mario pack wasn't even worth 60, they phoned in that collection
There's this one ancient Skyward Sword video that sums up Fi with one line of dialogue: "That was me! I was beeping to let you know about the beeping!"
"And the entire star wars sequel trilogy"
ARLO! NO!
Clears throat and prepares notes*
I didn't like it, I think it completely failed to tell an anyhow cohesive story and it was pretty disrespectful to the other Star Wars movies. I also find it disappointing when comparing it to the old EU where we had great stuff like the X-Wing series and the NJO. I take no offense with people liking it though, in fact, more power to you if you do. I'm happy that you could enjoy the content.1
ARLO YES!
I'm glad some people, like Arlo, at least have functional brains.
@@Babyboss65 In my opinion, TFA was the only good one, and that left a lot of potential for the other 2 to continue off of, they should've thought of the entire scope of the trilogy BEFORE going and actually making it. And in JJ's defense, Disney should've let him have his entire vision for the trilogy thought out before letting Rian Johnson in to take over and write TLJ, which sadly ruined JJ's vision of the sequel trilogy... and hell, they should've used Colin Treverrow's 'Dual of the Fates' script he had for 9, that would've been much better than what we got.
I just want a left-handed mode. I can't do anything with my right hand so that's all i ask
Yes!
Yes! The lack of a left-handed mode was what kept me from buying this game the first time! There absolutely should be a left-handed mode so we can play the game without being at a significant disadvantage all because of a genetic trait that *Link himself* has in every game except this one and Breath of the Wild (and there was no good reason for him to be right-handed in BOTW).
The "left hand mode" is the entire game mirrored like TP. I would laugh so hard if this happens.
@@theotherjared9824 It would have to be a bit more than mirroring the game; it would also have to swap the motion controls so that the sword's controlled with the left joy-con instead of the right, the shield would be controlled with the right joy-con, etc.
I hope it does happen; that way, I can finally play the game.
@MARTIN DEL RIO (Student) That's why we're asking for a left-handed mode. The Skyward Sword marketing keeps saying, "Unleash your sword with the right joy-con and raise your shield with the left joy-con!" and we're asking for an optional mode that swaps the motion controls so the left joy-con controls the sword and the right joy-con controls the shield.
Having scrolled through arlo's videos and realizing I hadn't seen this one yet I must say im pleased that it seems most of these issues are going to be resolved
While I absolutely agree with each and every single one of your criticisms, especially momma Phi, I still loved this game to the moon and back and will be getting it for sure on switch.
Arlo is so frustrated at SS he actually brought up the Sequel Trilogy.
They need to put in an additional mode where The Groose is Loose. 10/10 game then.
The fact that Nintendo hasn't announced a Groose is Loose mode already shows that they hate money.
Skyward Sword Lovers and Haters can all unite under our mutual love for that loosey groosey boy
Fi: "I'm here to stop your progress."
Edit: I was around 10 man, and I remember walking a mile to rent Paper Mario for N64, my cousins came over and kept shutting the game off on me resulting in me crying. Today, It's Nintendo themselves that make me cry. Too much heartbreak for a man to bare if I only knew what that paper guy was getting into...
My cousin ripped my Pokemon Yellow cartridge out of my Gameboy color while I was playing it. I also cried at that, so I feel your pain.
Arlo, you are my favorite TH-cam period. Quality, actually clean content every time, too good. Love you bro, keep it up
They fixed the rupee thing for TPHD so, I'm guessing they'll do so again.
I really hate it when games won't respect my intelligence. I mean common it is fun to solve a little riddle.
Whar?
You're pretty much spot on with this whole video dude.
I love Skyward Sword, I think its criminally underrated, but I do see it's flaws, and I hope they fix up the things that were a little rough. I think they will though, they were able to streamline Wind Waker's final (absurd) fetch quest and they worked on making Twilight Princess a more polished gem, and that was for a complete failure of a console that was already dead. Consider the HUGE success the Switch has been and the massive amount of new players BotW has brought in...I think they have been working on getting this game right for some time, remember that Eiji Aonuma talked about this port/remaster at the Zelda concert back in 2018.
A few of the problems with this game (some that you rightfully addressed in the video) are actually fairly easy fixes. The rupee/item messages, and Fi are easy enough to code out, and the motion controls are confirmed to be optional. Those seem to be some of the biggest complaints I've seen about the game through the years...so I have a lot of hope that they will redeem this game and hopefully it will introduce the classic Zelda formula to a lot of the new players BotW managed to bring in.
I'm excited to see the response and chatter that happens once this game comes out.
You made a really good point about accessibility that literally no one else who's... not taken kindly to my adoration of Skyward Sword has presented before. They always sighted that the controls didn't respond the way they wanted it to, which I also had an issue with until I realized that a swing and a flick were two different motions, but not one person had the level head to say "think about the people who can't make movements like that in the first place". I'm really glad you brought that up.
I do also agree with making object descriptions less frequent (for obvious reasons) and with needing to make Fi talk less. I didn't have a problem with her for the most part, but she really got on my nerves when she would pop up every 20 minutes to tell me my controller was dying when it wasn't going to be for another 3 - 5 hours.
Honestly, the stealth sessions were some of my favorite parts of SS. It got my adrenaline pumping and had me completely dialed in. Which is super thrilling and fun for me. Getting the last tear gives this immediate sense of relief and accomplishment, and that's something i really crave from games.
I agree that it's the best part, only because it's the ONLY part that has stakes and presents somewhat of a challenge.
More of that, less of the fucking music notes and other boring collectathons....
Dude I was freaking out! It felt like a horror game! Especially when I got caught and was being chased😂
Those were the best part for me too. Having all this equipment, and then being told nope! Go be stealthy was terrifying in the best possible way.
I respect that but for me it was the opposite, it was the reason I gave up on the game. I hated it it made me so stressed up that I ended up crying in frustration and hating the game.
I felt the same.
It's like they mashed together the worst parts of Twilight Princess and Phantom Hourglass... and somehow made it great.
This blue furry monster did three polls and made one of the options “show/see results” on all of them.
AND EVERY TIMES PEOPLE PICKED THEM THE MOST!
To be fair, that's the best option for people who have never played the game, but are still interested in the poll
I finished Skyward Sword and I was in love. And looking back, I understand myself why I loved it. The motion controls were pretty awkward sometimes. But the few times it was frustrating, I'm so happy I pulled through. Such great love for this game and really happy it will be playable on the switch!
I don’t understand why they thought having the sword being controlled by the right stick was a good idea when their controllers are famous for drifting / breaking
You can fix drift with some WD-40 Electrical Contact cleaner.
here's what skyward sword hd *WILL* change:
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Dot? Thats it, im buying skyward sword
Good point
I like when people bash on things they know nothing about yet.
Look, they put a dot there, smh people are so ungrateful
They will do literally none of this. And everyone knows it
I hope they at least add a left-handed mode so I can finally play this game without being at a significant disadvantage because of a genetic trait that Link himself has in every game except this and BOTW. It's really annoying:
Nintendo: "Matthew, why aren't you buying Skyward Sword? Aren't you a Zelda fan?"
Me: "Do you think I just don't want to? I would if you make it actually playable for me! All it would take is an option in the menu that swaps the motion-controls to the opposite joy-cons and mirrors the game to make Link left-handed to match."
Nintendo: "What? And spend less than an hour writing four lines of code?! No way, just use your right hand!"
Me: "Do you ask Miyamoto: the guy who made your most popular franchises, to just use his right hand? Did you forget that he too is a lefty? What about your own game's protagonist: would you just tell Link to use his right hand?"
Nintendo: "Um... Link is... ambidextrous."
Me: "Oh, now you're just making stuff up! He's been canonically left-handed since the original Zelda game!"
Lots of the problems listed in the video seem like quality of life improvements that honestly I'm surprised bother people as much as they do. Sure everyone is entitled to their own opinion and I don't mean to devalue any of these valid complaints. But at some point its like come on that's not a big deal. I've played through it three or four times and never did these complaints hindering my enjoyment besides the motion controls. But everyone is entitled to their own opinion
I think that’s a bit of an exaggeration. As Arlo said, there’s already evidence the motion controls can be disabled even when docked. The rupee message was fixed in Twilight Princess HD so I would be shocked if the item message won’t be fixed in Skyward Sword HD. Even the devs know how bad it was. They took a jab at it when mentioning how easy it is to pick collectibles in BotW
I am skeptical on unnecessary message boxes and fixing Fi’s interruptions though. Not sure if they’ll fix that. But to say they won’t fix any of this is a bit too much
Honestly they can just give me a port without anything I love the game
I come with tidings of great joy
12:57 I felt that way the first time around. The first dungeon you get the beetle and it tells you how to use it, and then she pops out and SAYS THE SAME DAMN THING. I laughed maniacally at the ending.
On the topic of the game hand-holding you, the Ancient Cistern has a nearly missable (I think) stone monument that outright gives away the entire puzzle of the dungeon. It would be cool if they got rid of that.
I would love to see a video of Arlo talking about the changes they have made.
Good news, at least 3/5 of the problems have been fixed
If they make Skyward Sword better than it originally was, I demand a Link's Crossbow Training rerelease as well
or what about a sequel??? that would be amazing
@@princess_princess I can do you one better: Crossbow Training DELUXE
@@princess_princess Link's Crossbow Training 2: Link's Gun Training
I kind of hope the difficulty of skyward sword isn't totally nuked. it was kind of the one thing I liked about the game it was the first zelda game that combat put me through the wringer.
Just curious: was it a fair challenge or did you sword get caught or not swing the right way?
YES! I personally never had any calibration troubles, and when I finally beat the last boss, it gave me one of the biggest feelings of accomplishment I'd gotten from any game at that point - the whole battle had just been sheer, absolute, white-knuckled concentration.
@@mattmacleod7489 It was a fair fighting system, to be honest. The last battles were really fun and hard on my first attempts.
It’s so weird how half of the game is just like an endless hand-holding tutorial and the other half is soul-crushingly difficult combat. There never seemed to be a whole lot in the middle between the two.
It was less a difficulty curve and more a difficulty cactus... a smooth flat surface with frequent, deadly, narrow spikes.
I agree right up till you try doing the hoard at the end of the game in hero mode.
My problem is that my bird always flaps it’s wings and goes down when I try to fly it upwards
Tbh when he said it was a 50 hour game I just got more excited
Its a good 50 hours
Took about 40 for me, including some side objectives
@@dogu1601 nice
I’ve actually never met someone who didn’t like the tear realms.
Honestly those things made me quit the game, I hated them and I couldn’t beat the second or third one so I just gave up
Tear realms were siick.
I loved them but they used to scare the absolute shit out of me lmao
I don't hate them but stealth sections shouldn't time limits.
Absolutely hate those parts with a burning passion.
I think skyward sword has some really fun set pieces, I like that part where you get captured and have to re-collect all your items, the fight with the big sky whale guy, the boat level and the final encounter with the tongue guy in particular
And the desert parts where you reversed time were SO cool
Collecting your weapon again was so fun you could see where you have to go but couldn't get there yet
Also, how do you deal with sky keep? Keep the layout as is, meaning earth temple room could still be skipped? You would still need to fight dreadfuse for the small key to the triforce of courage trial...
Skyward sword was a big part of my childhood, I loved the game, but I could never finish it, and then I lost the disk.