same.. been learning some periphery songs.. well.. trying ... and let me just say that its tough lol. sick band tho. side note... the guys in that band do not know theory either and that well... youve probably heard their music haha
Bro don’t be scared of releasing tutorials. You make sick music and being open about not know everything under the sun about music theory is refreshing. It inspires me to want to learn more about theory because I know absolutely dick about it.
This is a dope vid. I think if I had to add anything, It would be the production side of it. Adding bass drops, impact snares, reverse snares, samples/sound effects, etc can really turn a boring breakdown into something heavy also.
I am a music theory nerd and I appreciate you putting your ideas and vocabulary for them out there. I love hearing how people talk about things when they were trained differently from me.
i had no idea you didnt know music theory. ive been trying to write my own music, without any lessons other than youtube so that honestly kind of gives me alot more hope
Music theory enthusiast time! #1 - That interval is the minor second, and it's technically wrong to call it a chord since it's only two notes! The "panic chord", or simply dissonant intervals are the tritone, major seventh, major ninth, and minor second; and stacking them together makes for some beautiful ugliness! I personally think the minor second gets too much love, we should panic on some other intervals too sometimes :p #4 - the best metric modulation imo is going from quarter note time-keeping to dotted eighth note time-keeping, sounds absolutely fucked >:) #7 - this is technically also a metric modulation! #9 - polymeters are awesome, you nailed the explanation i think (#11) - dynamics are key. changing any aspect drastically will always turn heads. Try messing with switching pickups or guitar tones, volume, modulation (pedals), etc. The sure fire way to make any breakdown heavy is to make the part before it not-heavy. Dynamics are key
The minor 9th I believe is what powers The Dillinger Escape Plan's 43% Burnt - it's the _bwahwahwahwahwah_ in the _bwahwahwahwahwah..._ *CHUG CHUG* part.
Great video as always, and love seeing the collabs between you two! This was actually pretty helpful, especially to those of us who wanna djent but don't wanna read stuff for hours to figure out how music works 😆
Andrew baena: i don’t know much about music theory Me, a total guitar bleb: THERE IS HOPE!!!! THERE IS HOPE!!!! Thank you for this awesome video! Make more of these video’s they are so help full
Thanks a lot for this one! a lot that i already knew, some other things that i learned, but i gotta say that what i already knew does work (speaking out of experience) and the new things i learned i'm surprised they do actually work!
This was awesome, not a lot of tutorials cover breakdowns, cause they are seen as easy and basic, but this is a great way to make them... not easy and basic!
I LOVE this video. I already knew about the dissonant half step chords and the whammy pedals but I didn’t know about the downward pitch shift thing. Very cool 😎
@@ericchambers6863 fuck you're my bro for those knowledge drops, hydra head really moved the genre forward and I still go back to those records. norma jean took what they were doing and made it marketable
Eric Chambers bravo, came here to say this. Minor 2nd chords (panic chords/horror chords etc) go back to Norma Jean ‘bless the martyr’ who heavily mainlined it in the scene 2002-2005, they played like 300 shows a year and every band anywhere began over using it. Then it became cliche and cheese but all the post hardcore bands kept using it and no one noticed it was overdone or stopped doing it. Kids kept coming into the scene fresh blood and had no awareness of this history and here we are today in 2020 still way way overused. Before Norma Jean it was Coalesce Botch Converge then before that Kurt from Converge said he borrowed from Meshuggah who probably was inspired by King Crimson.
Dudeeeeeeeee. I have been wondering how guitarist get those "panic chords". I thought it was some effect, which it kinda is with the whammy, but I thought it was a lot more complicated. Thank you!
I personally don’t like panic chords (they were overused in the 2010s) but you show a lot of cool and fun techniques to try out in writing. Breakdowns can get boring
Very well explained to those who doesn't know theory. Just another great example that theory isn't necessary to play awesome! Don't get me wrong I love theory but it's just a tool that the skilled uses, And you my friend are skilled!
Into the moat used a lot of poly meters. Very simple to follow once you notice how long one riff is. Specifically the intro song to their first album. Into the Moat - Century II.
Those aren't triplets. The breakdown is done with a technique called gallops which is an eight following two 16th notes. A triplet is 16th notes to each of the 4 beats.
if the snare matched every 3rd hit of the cymbal then it would've had a different feel. metric modulation can be very subtle, but most of the time in metal (unless you're OAA) it's a pretty straightforward jarring change in feel. he had the definition right, but the example was kind of meh.
Hey Andrew! Loved the tutorial. Could you show how to layer two different time signatures in reaper as I’m trying to figure out how to polyrithm in between parts of a song for a long time?
Most Whammy pedals will have an option to shift down however many semitones, but all you have to do is keep the Whammy down for the effect to stay, unlike shifting up, where you press the whammy on the accented chords
@@internaldiscordance4238 sweetwater.com All i got was the same pitch shifter and 3 patch cables. Only about $275 and I'm only paying about $20 a month no interest on most items. I want to buy some big stuff with it but I have to wait.
This is nice to learn from because tbh the last time a learned anything to do with music was public school. It's easy for me to understand when you do it your way lol
Veil of Mara? Thanks for showing me these guys. It's hard for me to find bands because I love the hard guitar but there song Aeris is perfect as far as hard screamo and singing. That's the stuff I dig and your guitar slaying is always mind blowing
You were sort of on the right track with metric modulation, but there's more to it than just playing "slower". In fact, metric modulation can also go faster. The theory behind the concept is that a note that isn't the current quarter-note beat becomes the *new* quarter-note beat. Simple example: an instrument plays a 4:3 polyrhythm, where the dotted 8th note (the "4" in 4:3) in a sense "foreshadows" the metric modulation. The other instruments can then start playing a new melody/beat to the rhythm of the dotted 8th note, and thus, the dotted 8th has become the new quarter-note, meaning that the tempo has changed accordingly as well. Metric modulation always involves a tempo change - otherwise, it's merely a polyrhythm.
About dissonance: Dissonance isn't defined as a minor second (the interval of 1 half-step). Dissonance is very simply just anything, that doesn't sound melodic or harmonic. Best example is the tritone or diminished 5th/augmented 4th. Play a power chord but lower the second note by 1 half-step, i.e playing the open E string and 1st fret of the A string or 7th fret on the D string, 8th fret on the g string and so on. The tritone sounds so dissonant, that it was forbidden to be used in church music in medieval times. It was called "diabolus in musica" (Latin, translated as "the devil in music" I guess).
#11) blegh producer pack
How could I forget this very important step
Back in 2009-2010 the blegh was a standard i love hearing bands that do that now and pig squeals too
2020: breakdowns with baena
2021: *BAEKDOWNS WITH BAENA*
BAEKDOWNS WITH BREANNA
2022: BAENA WITH BREAKDOWNS
No, my breakdowns suck because I suck at guitar
Me too
same.. been learning some periphery songs.. well.. trying ... and let me just say that its tough lol. sick band tho. side note... the guys in that band do not know theory either and that well... youve probably heard their music haha
Honestly it's nothing to do with skill, its more of a writing thing than anything.
@@stevei4860 actually they know a decent amount of music theory
In the words of Nik during his suffering covering Through the Fire and Flames.
*WE PLAY BREAKDOWNS CAUSE THEY'RE AWESOME!*
*Polymeter*
Me: cough cough, Meshuggah, cough cough
Why did I hear “cough cough Meshuggah cough cough” as a breakdown
#1) dissonance #2) dissonance #3) wammy dissonance
All the flavors of dissonance are present
You and Nik are an amazing duo
Ship it?
@@gasket1996 ship it
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I had a breakdown today. It wasn’t good.
A br00tal breakdown
Try some dissonance man
it’s like his jaw doesn’t move when he talks
might be bells palsy. or he has a dip in his lip
Bro don’t be scared of releasing tutorials. You make sick music and being open about not know everything under the sun about music theory is refreshing. It inspires me to want to learn more about theory because I know absolutely dick about it.
This is a dope vid. I think if I had to add anything, It would be the production side of it. Adding bass drops, impact snares, reverse snares, samples/sound effects, etc can really turn a boring breakdown into something heavy also.
Samples from pop culture is something that needs to come back lol
@@jessejohnson9321 i love how new west coast beatdown has started using hip hop samples
Except everyone does that now. It's like how much can I make weird edm sounds with my guitar
“Early days of metalcore in the 2010’s.”
Hol up.
Uhm, yeah, metalcore started in the 90s
Silly fellow, he is
dang I'm early, better tell a joke...
Asking Alexandria
Attack attack
Miss may i
Deserves top comment
Oh my god.....
Even better joke. Bring me the horizon
Wait i thougth this was a joke, but it end up being useful lol
I am a music theory nerd and I appreciate you putting your ideas and vocabulary for them out there. I love hearing how people talk about things when they were trained differently from me.
i had no idea you didnt know music theory. ive been trying to write my own music, without any lessons other than youtube so that honestly kind of gives me alot more hope
Music theory enthusiast time!
#1 - That interval is the minor second, and it's technically wrong to call it a chord since it's only two notes! The "panic chord", or simply dissonant intervals are the tritone, major seventh, major ninth, and minor second; and stacking them together makes for some beautiful ugliness! I personally think the minor second gets too much love, we should panic on some other intervals too sometimes :p
#4 - the best metric modulation imo is going from quarter note time-keeping to dotted eighth note time-keeping, sounds absolutely fucked >:)
#7 - this is technically also a metric modulation!
#9 - polymeters are awesome, you nailed the explanation i think
(#11) - dynamics are key. changing any aspect drastically will always turn heads. Try messing with switching pickups or guitar tones, volume, modulation (pedals), etc.
The sure fire way to make any breakdown heavy is to make the part before it not-heavy. Dynamics are key
The minor 9th I believe is what powers The Dillinger Escape Plan's 43% Burnt - it's the _bwahwahwahwahwah_ in the _bwahwahwahwahwah..._ *CHUG CHUG* part.
Andrew be like yeah idk how to explain polyrhythms, then gives a perfect explanation of polyrhythms
dude all you gotta do is BANG BANG BANG BOING BOING BOING BLEGHHH PAAAAHHHHHHH ......BBBOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOMMMMM
If you're writing breakdowns the black tongue shirt is a must
Great video as always, and love seeing the collabs between you two! This was actually pretty helpful, especially to those of us who wanna djent but don't wanna read stuff for hours to figure out how music works 😆
Andrew baena: i don’t know much about music theory
Me, a total guitar bleb: THERE IS HOPE!!!! THERE IS HOPE!!!!
Thank you for this awesome video! Make more of these video’s they are so help full
Ive only learned from tabs myself and this video really helped me understand so much more about making my own heavy riffs !\m/ thanks man
This is a great video man! I'd love to see more. I just started playing a 7 string and using these techniques in drop G is sick!
I wasn't confused of your explanation of the polymeter technique, we both don't know music theory much lol thanks for this!
Thanks a lot for this one! a lot that i already knew, some other things that i learned, but i gotta say that what i already knew does work (speaking out of experience) and the new things i learned i'm surprised they do actually work!
Damn you guys are good at tutorials! Really great explanations and breakdowns!
Hi Andrew, great video, greetings from Colombia
Very informative and clean package. Thanks Andrew and Nick!
🤙🤙🖤🖤
This was awesome, not a lot of tutorials cover breakdowns, cause they are seen as easy and basic, but this is a great way to make them... not easy and basic!
Yo Andrew has gotten so much better at speaking on camera over the years. Loving the chanel and Carcosa!
Thanks for the info . Now to implement them into my practice
Honestly I love these kinds of videos. Thank you so much for this!
Very awesome video man!
LOLOLOL AT 10:40
This is quality content bro 🔥
Also, make use of augmented 4ths/diminished 5ths (tritones) for dissonance as well!
Thanks for doing this video man. More tutorials would be great but at the minimum, this was excellent. Cheers man.
The most fitting shirt for this video.
I love that you linked Ben’s video. Between him and Adam Neely they are able to explain complex ideas somewhat simply.
"early days of metalcore, 2010" 🤔
Yeah I was surprised when he said that
I think he was referring to the early days of the "modern" iterations of metalcore
More like early 2000’s
Yeah i was thinking early 2000s more along the lines of bands like unearth and such rather than of mice and men
Yeah youngins..
alternating guitar panning is my absolute favorite. more bands need to do it. my favorite example of this is in TAIM - “Laceration Penetration”
More vids like this please!
I LOVE this video. I already knew about the dissonant half step chords and the whammy pedals but I didn’t know about the downward pitch shift thing. Very cool 😎
Great video man, i've used some of these techniques but I definitely learned some more. Awesome work, you've earned a sub
Love you, Baena
Amazing video man it was super helpful please do more of these types of videos 🤘❤️
dude nik should use this drum pack for his own music it sounds so much better than the one he has now. his tone sounds sooo good over that
5:47 we need more of this
This was great dude!! Helped a lot
This is so sick dude thank you!
Nik and yourself have helped me become a way better metal guitarist. You guys are true djentleman. 👍
I think that your explanations are very good :) also breakdowns sounds really good and heavy :)
"since the early days of metalcore, like 2010" Ha.
children bruh, even my introduction to the genre in 2003 was late
For real. Panic chords are basically tied to early, early bands like botch, Norma Jean, converge, coelesce, etc
@@ericchambers6863 fuck you're my bro for those knowledge drops, hydra head really moved the genre forward and I still go back to those records. norma jean took what they were doing and made it marketable
Eric Chambers bravo, came here to say this. Minor 2nd chords (panic chords/horror chords etc) go back to Norma Jean ‘bless the martyr’ who heavily mainlined it in the scene 2002-2005, they played like 300 shows a year and every band anywhere began over using it. Then it became cliche and cheese but all the post hardcore bands kept using it and no one noticed it was overdone or stopped doing it. Kids kept coming into the scene fresh blood and had no awareness of this history and here we are today in 2020 still way way overused. Before Norma Jean it was Coalesce Botch Converge then before that Kurt from Converge said he borrowed from Meshuggah who probably was inspired by King Crimson.
Given that I don't know theory myself, everything was explained quite thoroughly. Great video as always!
Awesome vid man
so polymeters is basically Meshuggah :D
thanks for the awesome tips, always insightful and inspiring!
Dudeeeeeeeee. I have been wondering how guitarist get those "panic chords". I thought it was some effect, which it kinda is with the whammy, but I thought it was a lot more complicated. Thank you!
This video was dope thanks dude
4:08 That's actually syncopation
Also guitar + drums sounds like a polyrythm
yeah no
Ive been watching you and nik for a minute and just realized you were the guitarist for galactic pegasus. Ayyy
I personally don’t like panic chords (they were overused in the 2010s) but you show a lot of cool and fun techniques to try out in writing. Breakdowns can get boring
Thank you king 👑
808 Bass/sub drops make a breakdown heavy af too.
6:36 this is my favorite type
Very well explained to those who doesn't know theory. Just another great example that theory isn't necessary to play awesome! Don't get me wrong I love theory but it's just a tool that the skilled uses, And you my friend are skilled!
How do you use a pitch shifter?
Into the moat used a lot of poly meters. Very simple to follow once you notice how long one riff is. Specifically the intro song to their first album. Into the Moat - Century II.
got my subs men your so humble. tnx for the knowledge men kudos
That meshuggah riff was WOOOOOOOOW
The polymeter breakdown was so sick
1. Norma Jean does the best panic chords
2. Disrespect your surroundings is the OG triplet breakdown
Great vid!
Those aren't triplets. The breakdown is done with a technique called gallops which is an eight following two 16th notes. A triplet is 16th notes to each of the 4 beats.
@@AustinBrake98 Your explanation is correct but the song doesn't even use gallops. There are just two strokes per chug
How matching the black tongue shirt is
Dont be so nervous bro be confident your good bro...
Great job!
It seems like the "offbeat drum one" is more like "accenting specific parts"
i think the technical term is a hemiola, which is a different feel than the tempo. could be wrong, but that’s how i understand it
Yeah I'm not really a music theory genius but I don't think that really counts as metric modulation
if the snare matched every 3rd hit of the cymbal then it would've had a different feel. metric modulation can be very subtle, but most of the time in metal (unless you're OAA) it's a pretty straightforward jarring change in feel. he had the definition right, but the example was kind of meh.
Coool!! Brazil watch u too
Hey Andrew! Loved the tutorial. Could you show how to layer two different time signatures in reaper as I’m trying to figure out how to polyrithm in between parts of a song for a long time?
What plugins can I use to to obtain pitch shifting up sounds? (Preferably for dissonant chords) Helppp lol
That Polymeter was actually explained really well. I didn't find it that complicated.
That was actually helpful. Thanks :)
Can you maybe do a tutorial about the pitch shift stuff? Can you recommend any plug-ins that can do that?
Carcosa has fucking sick breakdowns. Paying mad attention to this vid.
Good vid very in depth 🤘🤘🤘🤘
Hey, Andrew!
BEAUTIFUL SHIRT.
What do we have to do with the whammy to drop the note???
Most Whammy pedals will have an option to shift down however many semitones, but all you have to do is keep the Whammy down for the effect to stay, unlike shifting up, where you press the whammy on the accented chords
"Syncopation" is what you're looking for for the offbeat drums. The offbeat irregularity makes you want to move your head.
Nice video! Love it!
“Early metalcore” “2010”
THIS IS NOT BAKING WITH BAENA
WE WANT BAEKING WITH BAENA
what pitch shifting vst are you using?
I use an actual Whammy DT pedal
@@BaenaCarcosa ah nice, too bad its so expensive :l
@@internaldiscordance4238 sweetwater.com All i got was the same pitch shifter and 3 patch cables. Only about $275 and I'm only paying about $20 a month no interest on most items. I want to buy some big stuff with it but I have to wait.
@@internaldiscordance4238 You can use Melodyne, it sounds like a real Whammy for only half the price.
You can use ReaPitch if you use Reaper
Nik goin' strong showing off those Vildhjarta vibes.
What string gauges do you use
This is nice to learn from because tbh the last time a learned anything to do with music was public school. It's easy for me to understand when you do it your way lol
Veil of Mara? Thanks for showing me these guys. It's hard for me to find bands because I love the hard guitar but there song Aeris is perfect as far as hard screamo and singing. That's the stuff I dig and your guitar slaying is always mind blowing
Love the Black tongue Tshirt
You were sort of on the right track with metric modulation, but there's more to it than just playing "slower". In fact, metric modulation can also go faster. The theory behind the concept is that a note that isn't the current quarter-note beat becomes the *new* quarter-note beat. Simple example: an instrument plays a 4:3 polyrhythm, where the dotted 8th note (the "4" in 4:3) in a sense "foreshadows" the metric modulation. The other instruments can then start playing a new melody/beat to the rhythm of the dotted 8th note, and thus, the dotted 8th has become the new quarter-note, meaning that the tempo has changed accordingly as well. Metric modulation always involves a tempo change - otherwise, it's merely a polyrhythm.
About dissonance: Dissonance isn't defined as a minor second (the interval of 1 half-step). Dissonance is very simply just anything, that doesn't sound melodic or harmonic.
Best example is the tritone or diminished 5th/augmented 4th. Play a power chord but lower the second note by 1 half-step, i.e playing the open E string and 1st fret of the A string or 7th fret on the D string, 8th fret on the g string and so on. The tritone sounds so dissonant, that it was forbidden to be used in church music in medieval times. It was called "diabolus in musica" (Latin, translated as "the devil in music" I guess).
Technically dissonance is a kind of Harmony - it's the opposite of consonance, which is when notes sound nice together.
It’s funny how I just realized, after a few years of watching Nik, I have the same picking technique
Awesome! 👍🏻
8:31 hippity hoppity your breakdown is now my property