As noted by someone else below, the missing cabin isn't a bug but an option on the EFB that you didn't have enabled. We've now changed that to be enabled by default. To be clear, nothing was rushed or released uncompleted versus the aims that we had set ourselves during development, although some of the community loves a conspiracy ;-) Regarding the FMS, we decided months ago that a customised version of the WT FMS would be the most suitable option for MSFS at this stage given its capabilities and ease-of-use (better than the UNS-1 we included in P3D) and have been working directly with the WT on that implementation but maybe weren't clear enough in explaining that prior to release. I think 'custom' is one of those somewhat subjective and ambiguous terms like 'study level', as you often note, but we'll certainly continue to look at adding other navigation options like the older UNS-1 and newer GTN to reflect the wide variety of retrofit options found in real 146s. Sounds were all recorded on a trip to RAF Northolt so are a close match to the real thing but will see if it can be tweaked. In terms of flight dynamics, we've relied on the involvement of real world 146/RJ pilots for feedback. As you say, we're of course constrained by the limitations and behaviour of the simulator in terms of flight dynamics, autopilot behavior etc. Thanks for the feedback and another enjoyable review! Martyn - Just Flight
UPDATE: The apparent lack of cabin interior was actually an error on my part. All variants of the aircraft do come with the cabin interior modelled, it simply needs to be activated via the EFB. and you'll have to excuse my setup for the departure there, I've no idea why I thought we were off to Compton - it's been a long week! XD
Personally I think this plane is fantastic, model, systems, physics... It's the first plane in MSFS were i feel a unique handling. Today I've done 2 flight with this and i love it. Also my first time flying only with VORs (I've also disabled the FMC) and i realy enjoyed it.
I fully agree! I was actually very impressed as I had expectations for the maddog but this one feels like a real plane and the sounds, systems modeling are e superb and flight dynamics feel just right. On the contrary, i was not impressed with leonardos maddog. Ir feels very p3d like
Likewise Enrik, I hope I didn't give an impression to the contrary! I know I can be a little picky at times, but generally that's not for my benefit, but simply to point out issues that I know some would wish to know about. The 146 is a joy to fly in the sim; unique, quirky and different enough from most other commercial jets, to offer an interesting challenge. Another cracking addon from Just Flight! Cheers and all the best! : )
Hi Mark, Yeah, both addons have their strengths, but the 146 offers a much more rounded product, for quite a bit less money. I will continue to fly both, but whereas I feel I got my money's worth with the 146, I'm not so sure with the Maddog. . . All the best! : )
Does MSFS contain disused VOR and NDB? The great thing about XPlane is that decommissioned navaids still work which enables you to fly these old birds. You can also use old charts as they are phased out over time
Yep I have removed the FMS and am making trips by VOR , my 707 days are gradually coming back to me, a lifetime ago, 70 next bday so not as sharp as perhaps I used to be. Thanks for all encouragement cheers and best regards Charlie
Haha, well that's great to hear Charlie; 4 engines as well in the plucky little 146, so almost indistinguishable from a 707 I'm sure : P Happy 70th for whenever the time comes! : ) All the best!
Another great review, the BAe-146 is a favourite of mine. I spent a lot of time in the 90s fuelling them for Air BC out of the now defunct CYXD airport (Blatchford Field Edmonton City Centre Airport). The immersive sounds are impressive, the flap extension and retraction howl are nicely modelled. Loved to see your professional use of vertical speed and getting onto profile, old school lol. Very well done as always.
Hi FAA, Thanks, glad you enjoyed it! The 146 is a favorite of mine as well, so it's really nice to see that Just Flight have done it justice. The sounds are indeed excellent and very immersive; they did in fact come of the real world aircraft. I'm glad you enjoyed the flight! Old-school as you say haha, but that's one of the many reasons I love flying the 146! Cheers and all the best : )
Thank you so much for this review/tutorial. I bought it on release and have slowly been working myself through the manual and other sources of tuition as well and find myself loving this craft a lot. Used your video to correct some of my mistakes and amend some of my flows and now it seems a lot more fluid in use. I normally fly FBW A20N which although is an excellent aircraft I do like to use CRJ's and the 146 because they offer a nice challenge because you have to employ more thought in advance before conducting a procedure and has a more hands on use approach. Thank you again for a superb and informative review.
Thanks very much once again Dave, my pleasure as always! I'm glad you found the video of use; I'm sure there are a few errors in there on my part (the engine start sequence is actually 4,3,2,1 I believe for example - which I used to do, but then someone told me otherwise haha), but I think I broadly followed real world procedures and it gets the job done at any rate haha. I completely agree, these sorts of aircraft are a tonne more fun to fly (at least in the sim). There is definitely an optimum balance, in terms of automation, to keep things interesting and the 146 has it. Overall it offers a nice challenge and is an enjoyable little jet to operate. Cheers and all the best! : )
I love these smaller regional hop planes, definitely a purchase for me. I rarely have time for more than a 1-2 hour flight. Enjoyable as always watching your reviews! Been hectic here and I haven't gotten to fly as much as I'd like but things like this get a little inspiration going again.
@@TrueBlade-1889 Oh that's for sure, I just meant it's more in the style of flying I enjoy, to and from smaller regional airports than than the big major hub routes.
Likewise John; I tend to prefer shorter hops and it's more or less all I have time for these days at any rate haha. The146 is perfect for that type of flying and the automation (or slight lack thereof) is enough to keep one busy throughout most of the flight. A very enjoyable little jet. I'm glad you enjoyed the video! Thanks as always for watching and all the best : )
I have been looking forward to this probably more than any other aircraft in the sim. It's one of my favourite birds, she's a unique bit of aviation history. Justflight appear to have done it justice, I have absolutely no reservations about getting it. Great video as per usual, sir. Hope you're keeping well. :)
Yeah, as much as I enjoyed the 737, these sorts of aircraft are really my "cup of tea" in the sim. The perfect balance of automation / manual and enough quirks / unusual characteristics to keep things interesting. A few little niggles that need neatening up and I would appreciate a more functional FMC, but Just Flight have absolutely done the plucky little 146 justice! I do hope you're enjoying it. Happy flying and all the best! : )
I work in the oilfield. It sucks being trapped out here for 3 weeks straight when we've had a few killer releases. Hopefully the pmdg 737 drops on my off week this go round lol. Love your vids man, I've told you before but you're the only channel I look at for reviews on Sim releases. Thanks for all you do!
Haha, well I somewhat know the feeling Marshie; developers seem to have an uncanny ability of releasing products when I am away with work (I’ve been lucky with this round though) XD Still, I suppose it helps prevent you making any impulse purchases : P Thanks again for the kind words! Hopefully it won’t be long now until the MSFS skies are filled with 737’s haha. Hope the rest of your stint goes well! All the best : )
I will definitely pick this up. I can recreate a few flights I have been a passenger on the 146, but this time from the pilots seat(not at the study level so much to learn). Something msfs does not really translate very well is how fast it accelerates down the runway, it just seems too smooth. As a passenger it really throws you back in the seat, it’s quite a rickety plane as compared to a bigger jetliner. It’s why I think journeys on it have always stood out in my memory, it’s definitely more of an experience.
Hi Hlspwns World, Ah great, I'm sure it will be fun to reenact some old trips, using a quality bit of "rickety" British engineering! XD Yes, MSFS still has a long way to go when it comes to camera effects etc. I gather those sorts of improvements may come down the pipeline one day in the future, but I think that will be some time away yet. Happy flying and all the best! : )
Well .. an update of this beauty is on its way, and I'm pretty sure it includes most - if not all of the needed improvements you've mentioned, and some more I've read. Its the only "modern" aircraft I fly in MSFS, think I'm kinda hooked to it, like to work in the "office" as I do in the DC-3 and DC-6.
I think this is one of the best airliners for this simulator. Hands down. Love this plane along with several other mods like pilot2atc, gsx etc. I have my honeycomb alpha/bravo set up with differing sensitivities and it flies very well. I have the planes feels more "heavy" and it works really well using the reactivity and sensitivity options.
As usual your video convinced me to purchase. The youtube notification must Say '' Into the blue simulation published a New video, you're about to spend 60€'' but After your review I know that it was well spend ! Cheers from France
Haha! Well apologies Alexandre. . . I know the channel should come with some sort of a financial warning XD I'm glad you find the reviews useful in making your purchasing decisions though and it's great that you're enjoying the 146! Merci beaucoup! All the best : )
Cheers Mark! Hope you're enjoying the 146 then! Stand by for the "Into the Blue Snooker" channel - got to capitalise on viewership as much as possible after all ; ) All the best!
@@IntotheBlueSimulations Yes been flying it quite a lot all over the UK and into and out of Orbx’s Zaventem in SR livery. Love it. Needed to get the flights in before the 737 landed :)
Although I’ve watched many of your videos this is the first time I’ve commented and I’d just like to thank you for your continuous stream of enjoyable, informative, very slick professional videos. Also I find your reviews honest, balanced and fair with a tendency to turn any negativity into a more constructive critique which I’m sure will have the net result of only improving the product in question. Please keep up the good work 👍
Thank you ever so much for the kind words SimPilot - very much appreciated! I really enjoy making the content, so it’s my absolute pleasure, but I’m really glad you like the vids and find them to be of use. I try my best to be balanced and honest and as as you say, I aim to critique fairly; after all I don’t think there are very many devs out there, who intentionally set out to make a bad product. Thanks very much once again! All the best : )
Thank you for making such a brilliant review. It gives good insight into how a professional pilot operates this aircraft, I find it far easier to learn how to fly aircraft like the 146 by watching videos like this, than by reading the manual.
Thanks very much Scimiter, my pleasure! I haven't flown the 146 in the real world, but I try to study up ahead of my reviews and I think the procedures used here are reasonably true to real life - enough to give one a good starting point at any rate. Like you, I always find the information sinks in a lot easier when I watch something, as opposed to reading about it haha. Anyway, I'm really glad you found the video of use. Thanks very much for watching and all the best! : )
Hi Aviation Insight, Sorry for the slow reply. I'm certainly no lawyer etc, so you'd have to take my advice with a pinch of salt; but used in this sort of fashion it certainly seems to be acceptable yes. As MSFS runs under an entertainment license, I would guess all of the rules that go along with that would apply here. So TH-cam appears to be fine for sure, if however you wanted to use MSFS footage in a documentary etc, I would hazard a guess that Microsoft's approval may need to be sought there. Again, it's not really an area I know much about though I'm afraid, so that's about all the help I can really offer up. All the best! : )
Just Flight have generally done a great job on what they've delivered to MSFS. They hinted they'd be bringing the Avro Vulcan a while back so i hope they turn attention to that soon.
They certainly have Dave! They've raised the bar in the sim on more than one occasion and they have yet to put out any product for MSFS, that hasn't been great. I heard some rumours about the Vulcan as well. I own it in P3D and X-Plane haha, so for sure I would be beyond keen to see it arrive in MSFS! Cheers and all the best : )
1:01:31 in my opinion that means a product is not study level. You say study level means type rating aid but in my opinion non normals is important element of that
Fair enough AN. You aren’t the only person I’ve come across that views things in such a way and I can certainly see where you’re coming from; I’ve just never seen it as a requirement myself. For sure I prefer addons that do have comprehensive failure modelling, but I reckon if one spent some time with the 146 for example, they’d be pretty familiar with the flight deck stepping onto the aircraft and could probably have a pretty good stab at running through anything in the QRH etc. Ultimately what constitutes “study level” is more of a grey area than a black and white line, but the aforementioned is the metric I use myself at any rate. Cheers! : )
Hi Weights, thanks very much for the info! I was aware that it's an option, but it would be nice if rotary rates were tied to the rate at which the user scrolls their mouse wheel (as has been the case in older sims for many years now). Having to hold shift is a bit of pain and often I don't have my keyboard close to hand. I'm hoping Asobo will do something to address this at some point. None the less, much appreciated! Thanks again and all the best : )
Yes, an error on my part there Bernard. I didn't realise the option had been added to the tablet (this wasn't the case when I previewed the aircraft), but I was wrong on that one nonetheless. Sounds like it has been patched up to operate the other way around now, perhaps a better solution overall. Thanks for the info, all the best! : )
Ah cool Alex. I always liked the 146, so it is indeed nice to see one in MSFS. I gather they were a bit of a pig to work on though haha? All the best : )
@@IntotheBlueSimulations Well i was actually with the Rj100s a little bit better than the 146s but practically the same, I liked the little Jumbolinos there was a homely feeling to working with them on the night shifts in the hangar.
I really appreciate your comments about the flight modelling in XP vs MSFS as, (based on my very limited flight experience), the flight dynamics in MSFS just didn't feel "right", like they do in XP but are more "twitchy" and sensitive even with small control movements. No, I'm not a pilot, (and will likely never pass the physical), so all I have to go on are a few flights in a Cessna 172 as a passenger years ago, and what people say flying aircraft "X" *should* be like - and I find that XP meets these expectations better than MSFS. However, as someone who mostly likes to look out the window while flying, MSFS does have an edge there. I have both, I fly both, and they both have their strengths and weaknesses. It's just nice to see someone who calls a spade a spade, (and admits when they goofed!), so you've earned yourself another subscriber!
Hello again Jim, Which flight sim is “best”, can end up becoming quite a partisan topic haha, but I don’t really have a dog in the fight; I love simming and of course each sim has its own strengths and weaknesses - I’m happy to offer up my own thoughts / opinions where I can (some people appreciate that, others don’t). X-Plane is still the king when it comes civilian jets (in my opinion), though MSFS has been doing a good job of playing catch-up of late. For GA aircraft, I feel the two sims are almost on a par now, though in fairness, I haven’t tried many payware GA addons in X-Plane. As I say, I don’t have an agenda either way. I predominantly fly MSFS, because it’s hard to look past the graphics at this point (and there are now some great addons for the sim), but I still enjoy spending time in X-Plane, DCS etc also. I try to call a spade a spade and indeed we all make mistakes from time to time haha (though from some of the comments I get, apparently there are simmers out there who have never put a foot wrong - amazing! ; ) Thanks very much for the sub - welcome aboard! All the best : )
Not a placeholder per se as the current FMS is actually more capable than some of those found on the real aircraft, but we do intend to add UNS-1 and GTN options to give you some variety.
As CambsPilot points out PJ, it's not a placeholder per se - but a more comprehensive FMC is planned for a later date as you say. I must admit, I didn't appreciate myself exactly what sort of FMC we would be getting with the release. I had thought we would be getting a more advanced version (more in-line with the X-Plane version of the aircraft) and so the FMC included with the aircraft felt a bit "rushed" to me. That was unfair though, as a less complex unit isn't necessarily and less realistic, it just wasn't what I was expecting to see. . . As mentioned during the review though; it seems to work perfectly well and certainly offers one enough functionality to get the aircraft from A to B. All the best! : )
Absolutely gorgeous cockpit, possibly the best I've seen yet! I wasn't really a huge fan of the 146 in general, it looks kind of awkward on the outside, but it certainly does have some unique capabilities and of course is famous for being used by the Queen's Flight. So maybe I'll consider it.
It is certainly a beautiful cockpit and I would agree, one of the best I have seen yet (I may have said *the* best, but then Fenix came along and took that crown haha). Not a fan of the 146?? Unacceptable sir! : P I jest of course - to each their own! It is certainly an interesting and fairly unique piece of design though, fun to fly and as you allude to, if it's good enough for the Queen, it's good enough for me haha! Worth considering for sure. Maybe keep an eye out for a sale or something ; ) Cheers and all the best!
I think the most awaited addon is a wing flex addon. This is way more important then any system or avionic simulation. The wing flex addon let's you sit on a window where you can look constantly on a flexing wing which will satisfy you.
Hi AVX, Just Flight actually spent quite a bit of time with the real aircraft, ahead of creating their original 146 addon. Apparently they noticed little to no wing flex on the real jet, hence its omission in the addon. I agree though, that the flaps are suspiciously "stoic" haha - that often tends to be the case in sims though doesn't it. . . I hope that clarifies things a little. Cheers and all the best! : )
I've flown the smaller ERJ 170. It's fun, but I've been waiting forever for this aircraft to become available on flight sim Xbox. Seeing videos IRL of this craft just amazed me in it's beauty, thank you for the upload because the high market price had me unsure. ⭐
You’re most welcome on the video, HRTBRK! The 146 isn’t the cheapest addon out there, but it’s an absolute gem and has only gone from strength to strength since I made this video (Just Flight recently added failures modelling, for example). If you’re a fan of the 146 in general, I’m sure you’ll love Just Flight’s rendition of the aircraft : ) Cheers and all the best!
"Study level" implies logically that there is a (basic) failure/damage model included. How else can you "study" an aircraft, if the immersion ends as soon as you make one step outside the normal procedures? Maybe the term should be really more specified. THX! 💙
Hi Ra, I don't know about "implies", but I can certainly see where you're coming from. There are of course many aspects of operating an aircraft, that one could use a sim to try and help them understand though; workflows, systems operation, autoflight logic etc. Failures wouldn't necessarily play a part in studying up on any of those. As you say, the term is pretty loosely defined and used to describe a *very* broad range of products - for that reason, it isn't a very good term overall. I use it in an effort to give people a rough idea of what to expect from the addon, but nothing more than that really. For me personally, I would consider "study level" to be any addon one can use to *meaningfully* study an aircraft - but that's just me. "Study level" is also interesting, in that it is a shifting term; the 146 is questionably "study level" by today's standards, but it would unquestionably have been defined as such 10 years ago haha. That's my take on it anyway, but it's no more / less valid than the next mans haha. Cheers and all the best! : )
Haha, I’m afraid that a bit of a stretch for me, Alexander! Once upon a time, I used to love doing those sorts of trips but, unfortunately these days, I’m lucky if I can find 1-2hrs for a simming session. Thanks for the suggestion though! All the best : )
Workintitlestarted as a community mod for the G1000 I think and was then incorporated into the sim. What he´s saying is that this 146 doesn´t have a custom FMC (yet) and uses what Workintitle came up with.
Hi Mav, As David states: Working Title started out as a community group, initially modding the CJ4 in the sim I believe. They did such a good job with it, that Asobo actually took them onboard and had them fix up the default G1000. These same enhancements to the sim's default coding have been used in the 146, hence why the addon's FMC works better than some other aircraft in the sim. I hope that helps a little. All the best! : )
Excellent review many thanks. A very good tutorial that is concise, and well explained at every level. This is indeed a study level aircraft of exceptional detail and a very good quality product. I’m sure that the MCDU issues will be fixed with later updates. I will definitely be purchasing this aircraft. Personally I love its history and the roles it played in British aviation.
Thank you sir! I'm glad you found the video informative as both a review and somewhat of a tutorial, that's generally what I aim for : ) The 146 is indeed yet another quality offering from Just Flight; as you say, I've no doubt they will deliver on their promise of a more complex FMC at a later date. I'm a big 146 fan as well, so it's really nice to now have the aircraft in the sim - I've been enjoying it a lot. Cheers and all the best!
Thanks very much NHG, glad you enjoyed it! Yeah the 146 is a great little jet; well worth picking up if you think you might enjoy it. Interesting to operate and it offers a nice challenge. I hope you're having fun! Happy flying and all the best : )
Previously I bought the Hawk aircraft through the in game marketplace, its throttle function broke after the Iberia update rendering the aircraft dead on ground. JustFlight never bothered to keep the marketplace offer up to date and their support web form doesn’t even work. I’d love to give this aircraft a try but I’m quite concerned that JustFlight may never be bothered to update it.
The Marketplace versions of our aircraft are fully up-to-date with the versions available from our website. I'm not aware of this throttle issue or any problem with our support page, so please try submitting a ticket again.
@@CambsPilot support/tickets/new keeps saying "Captcha verification failed, try again!". I've been trying to file a ticket ever since the Iberia update came out a month ago. The in-game marketplace says the Hawk airplane plugin is already fully up to date.
Haha, I'm sure London City is a lot busier in the sim these days yes Sithira. Yeah, the 146 looks great. Personally I prefer my addons to a look a little bit more weathered as well, but I know everyone has a different opinion on that one. . . Cheer and all the best! : )
Hello Allen, I’m afraid I can’t 100% remember, whether or not that’s possible with the 146. I *think* the aircraft is still capable of doing so; certainly that used to be an option with the addon, but I’m not sure whether that is still the case, now that Just Flight have added an FMC. It would be best to check the product description, or get in touch with Just Flight directly - just to be sure. Sorry I can’t be of more help on that one. All the best : )
Another fair well “rounded” review, I am a little undecided on this aircraft for the hangar, it has to be said that JF do have integrity and honesty and based on other aircraft from this developer JF do as they say regards updates, I am hopeful this aircraft will NOT be the exception. I think we have to allow JF to update in due course. Thanks again, how go the sleepless nights Kind Regards Charlie.
Thanks Charlie! Yes, of course one is always taking a slight gamble with these sorts of things, but I think betting on Just Flight, is about as bulletproof as betting on any dev to deliver could be. They have kept all of their MSFS output up to date (in a timely fashion) and as I say, they did the same thing with the X-Plane 11 146's FMC and were certainly true to their word there. Ultimately the current FMC does get the job done and I'm sure a chap that flew the mighty 707, wouldn't be too averse to a little bit of VOR to VOR navigation at any rate ; ) Yeah, ticking along with the baby. Some days are a breeze, others are a little more trying haha XD Thanks very much and all the best! : )
Hi GSH, There's not really any wing flex to speak of on the 146 Professional. Just Flight did spend a lot of time with the real aircraft and I gather that includes being airborne in it; they said that they saw little to no wing flex in the real 146 - hence the modelling. I hope that helps. All the best! : )
@@IntotheBlueSimulations Thanks for the speedy reply, I'm surprised that there is little or no wing flex on a 4 engine aircraft, very interesting to know though. Stay well 🙂
You’re most welcome Golf! Yes, it is somewhat surprising, but then they are rather stubby wings and little engines haha. Not having been on a 146 myself, I can’t say whether or not it’s accurate I’m afraid. Cheers, and you : )
@@IntotheBlueSimulations same here, I know that bonny Prince Charles dumped one off the end of a runway once upon a time but that sadly is my total knowledge of the 146.
Ooof, that's a tough one SBG! The MD80 is a more complex / in-depth simulation overall, but looks rather dated (and the sounds could be better). The Just Flight 146 is still a very good simulation of the aircraft and is much more up to modern standards. Overall the 146 offers *much* better value for money, but some of it will come down to personal preferences on the aircraft. If I could only chose one, it would be a real struggle, but I think I would go for the 146, as you get a lot more "bang for your buck" (I do really enjoy flying the MD80 though haha) I hope that helps a little. All the best! : )
Hi Joe, Thanks very much, I’m glad you enjoyed it! My settings are roughly as such: - “High End” preset - Pre-Cache = Ultra - Terrain and Object visibility sliders set at 125% (sorry, I forget the actual names of them) - Motion Blur = Off - Glass Cockpit Refresh = Medium - AI Traffic = Off - VSync = On / 60fps That gives a nice balance between graphics and performance. I only run at 1080p, hence the decent FPS. The things I’ve turned off / down are known to be famerate hogs. I hope that helps a little! All the best : )
Haha! Do you happen to have a link to the stream? I really enjoy Swiss 001’s videos, he’s a brilliant entertainer; that does sound rather amusing to watch though XD Cheers!
My pleasure TTTS! I try and make my reviews a little bit of a tutorial as well for sure, so it's always really nice to hear when someone finds the video to be of use. Best of luck and happy flying! : )
Hey ITBS - I actually bought this but havent flown it yet and a great review, very thorough as always. I have decided to leave it in the hangar until some of the small issues with FMC etc are sorted out. Also, that allows me time to use PMDG 737 when it comes out and learn it while the 146 'bakes' a little longer with the developers. Also, Just Flight are generally very good at getting patches out etc. Hope you are well and not too tired :-) Also, nice little programme came out today called 'A Pilot's Life 2' which will give ample reason to fly our 146, 737's etc :-)
Hi James, Gosh it's been busy of late haha! I imagine most of us have too many aircraft to even know what to do with at this point XD The FMC actually "caught me off guard" somewhat. It is technically finished apparently (until we get the full custom FMC at any rate), but it has quite a bit less functionality than I was expecting (I was expecting something more in line with the X-Plane version of the aircraft); it's not necessarily even inaccurate, as the 146 was fitted with some pretty basic FMC's, but I think it is a little too "bare bones" currently. Then again, I enjoy flying the 146 VOR to VOR a lot of the time, so it's not a big issue for me at least. As you say, Just Flight are great at putting in the work and I gather we've had one patch already. I'll have to check out "A Pilot's Life" when I get a chance, although right now I barely have a spare second haha - I'm currently living "A TH-camrs / Dad's Life" haha! Happy flying! : )
Thanks very much NP, glad you enjoyed it / found it of use! I use a device called TrackIR for the camera movements. It basically takes one’s head movements and inputs them into the game. It’s a great piece of hardware, albeit a little pricey. There are some cheaper / freeware alternatives available though, if you’re interested in giving it a go : ) I hope that helps. All the best!
A very nice tutorial/preview/introduction... as it was released, i already bought it... Love this quircky bird, next up the 737 and the MD-80... yer going to be busy! Subbed!
Thanks very much Frankenstein, I'm glad you thought so! It has indeed been a busy couple of weeks and it sounds as though the Fenix 320 isn't too far off now either haha XD Thanks very much for the sub, I'm glad you're enjoying the content! Welcome aboard : )
Difficult to get much from the MCDU, I seem to be trimming constantly. Must the TFM. Lol 👍 did manage to land, just.Will be go back to these but a lot for one go. Great video Slainte 👍 ❤
The MCDU is indeed pretty basic, Conleth. The unit is actually a bit of a stop-gap solution, as Just Flight are working on a custom FMC, though even that will be pretty basic by modern standards. I haven’t had a chance to fly the 146 for some time, but don’t recall trim being a big issue, perhaps the flight model has been changed somewhat. . . I would agree though, it’s not the easiest aircraft to get a nice landing out of haha. Best of luck with the continued learning! : )
Will. Eseeing how it does in VR tonight. Its funny but looking at the cockpit its not an Airbus 320 by any means but you can see in some thinking, system layouts and terminology where the current 320 came from.
Hope you had fun in VR then Chris (I'll bet the 146 is great in VR)! Yes, you can definitely see a bit of Airbus' heritage in the 146. I guess it's no coincidence. . . I always think if you squint, the cockpit could be a pint-sized Concorde flight deck as well haha XD Cheers and all the best! : )
Hi Laurence, It’s audio recordings that I have take from LiveATC.net and then edited into the video. I believe there is an MSFS ATC chatter app available though, if that’s the sort of thing you’re after : ) Cheers and all the best!
Start Sequence is 4-3-2-1. It might have been the sim's audio and I missed it on the video but if one was blindfolded, THE feature of the 146/RJ that set it apart from any other airliner is the 'howl' as the flaps go from Up to 18 - has this been replicated? And judging by some of the comments below re 'how do you know where you're going?' it would seem that the 'children of the magenta line' now span at least a generation of real and wannabee pilots. perhaps they should save their money until the RJ rolls off the JF production line.
Thanks for offering up the info Nils, much appreciated! The sounds on the 146 are indeed excellent - recorded from the real aircraft no less! All the best : )
Thanks for the info Manlatycon! Haha, well in every previous video I have made with the 146, I went 4,3,2,1 on the start sequence, but I then had someone reach out and tell me they did it 1,2,3,4 in the 146 sim centre he worked at XD I'll stick with 4,3,2,1 then, as that's what I was doing originally and I'm sure I would have read that somewhere at some point, as opposed to just randomly deciding on that sequence. I didn't notice the flaps howl myself, but judging by Nils' comments, it is there (I wasn't aware that was a characteristic of the real aircraft, I shall have to go and watch some vids). Haha, well I guess you can't blame people too much for a lack of familiarity with "old-school" navigation. As you say, it's been at least one generation now that has known nothing else. I suppose given enough time, these sort of skills may go the way of astral navigation etc. . . Either way, I'm looking forward to the RJ as well ; ) Cheers and all the best! : )
Looks quite decent. I ain't really a fan of airliners but the 146 definitely has a ton of character. Those high wings, four engines and squat landing gear makes it look quite cool and unique. As I said and have said before, not really a big airliner fan but really tempted by this. I find more modern airliners with their massive amount of automation to be incredibly dull but this seems like it's a bit more hands on and steam gauges are always a big plus in my books. Looks like it could deal with old school VOR navigation quite well, I tend not to bother with flight computer shenanigans. Cheers for the review flight, great job as always.
Ahhh, it's basically just a big bush plane Megadyptes! : P Yeah, even if you aren't ordinarily a jet fan, the 146 is certainly worthy of consideration (maybe even wait for a sale perhaps); it's fun to operate and the automation isn't going to do much of the work for you (it actually takes some forethought sometimes, to get the jet to do what you want). The aircraft was of course originally designed to fly VOR-VOR, so it's in its element there. Steam gauges, sounds recorded from the real jet, four engines and the Queen used to fly around in one of them, oh and it's Just Flight - what's not to like?! : P A pleasure as always! All the best : )
@@IntotheBlueSimulations well there's a challenge for you, take off and land the 146 at some dinky little dirt strip in Papua New Guinea or somewhere else entirely unsuitable. That actually reminds me of an aviation story. Back during the most recent afghan war the US military wanted to shift some huge power generator or something to a remote and high airstrip. The USAF refused the job saying they had nothing that could safely do the job so they put a contract out which was ignored by everyone for the same reasons. Some Russians saw it and decided why not. They bought an old and barely airworthy Il-76 on the cheap , picked up the cargo and flew it in. After landing it some yanks joked about getting the plane back out again and the Russians merely shrugged and drove their way back to Russia and made a handsome profit. Read about that in a book called Outlaws Inc. by Matt Potter which is an entertaining read about aviation smuggling in the 90s and early 00s, mostly by ex soviet aviators in ex soviet air force cargo planes. The Il-76 does look a bit similar to the 146 now I think about it.
Hi MA, You’re correct sir. I use recordings from LiveATC.net, which I then edit into the video. I believe there is an ATC chatter app available for MSFS though, if that’s the sort of thing you’re after : ) All the best!
Hi SN, I use recordings from LiveATC.net, which I then edit into the video. I believe there is an MSFS ATC chatter app available though, if that’s the sort of thing you’re after : ) All the best!
Hi James, I use real-world recordings from LiveATC.net, that I then edit into the video. As Jenny very helpfully points out though, there is an MSFS ATC chatter app available, if that's the kind of thing you're after : ) Cheers and all the best!
So I'm just working my way back into MSFS after about a decade in DCS. I got the PMDG DC-6 recently, and I'm absolutely blown away by the detail and depth of simulattion. How would you say this compares? What I mean to ask is: Is this plane as well modeled as what PMDG puts out? I'm not entirely I'm not terribly familiar with the civil sim groups.
Hi Knubinator, Glad you're enjoying the DC6, it is indeed an amazing offering from PMDG! I would say that the 146 is broadly on a par; systems-wise the fidelity is certainly there, although there is no failure modelling etc (so the DC6 has the edge there). Sounds are pretty even between the two (the 146 has pretty excellent sounds overall) and the 146 has the edge in terms of textures and modelling. The one area where I feel the 146 falls down just a little is the flight modelling and the automation. The aircraft feels a little sensitive in pitch (most MSFS aircraft do) and the automation can be a little bit sub-optimal at times (nothing crazy, but it can overshoot turns a little etc). The 146 is a very fun jet to operate though and it provides a nice challenge with its unusual automation etc. Is it as good as the DC6, I would say not quite, but it isn't far off. I hope that helps a little? All the best! : )
Hi DodgyCurry, My graphics settings are broadly as such: - “High End” preset - Pre-Cache = Ultra - Terrain and Object visibility sliders set at 125% (sorry, I forget the actual names of them) - Motion Blur = Off - Glass Cockpit Refresh = Medium - AI Traffic = Off - VSync = On / 60fps I only run at 1080p. The things I’ve turned off / down are known to be famerate hogs. Nothing flashy really. I do spend quite a bit of time tweaking lighting and weather in many of my videos though - that's probably what you're noticing (both can make a huge difference in the sim). I hope that helps a little! All the best : )
This plane seems great, but for $64.99 US I'd expect a one to one replica of the MCDU. Do we know if this is planned future state? I don't want additional features that don't exist in the real plane, nor missing features of the real MCDU at this price point.
Hi Blair, Just Flight have stated that they plan to include a more comprehensive FMC at a later date. They did the same in X-Plane 11 with the 146 and were true to their word (though of course you always take a small gamble at the end of the day). To be fair, the 146 flew with all kinds of FMC's and indeed no FMC for much of it's lifespan, so the current Just Flight version may not be all that inaccurate (I'm not familiar enough with the FMC options used on the aircraft, to say whether or not it is for sure), but I would still like to see more comprehensive FMC at a later date myself also. Cheers and all the best! : )
My pleasure Germano, cheers! As Dave very helpfully points out, it's manual spoiler deployment on the 146 (and indeed manual braking + no reversers haha). All the best! : )
I don't know anything about how this plane works..what is sync and how is that different from autopilot? Also....how do you know where you're going with no visible lateral navigation (no glass screens I mean). I kind've wanted to get this aircraft but I feel like I'm going to have a hell of a time trying to fly it lol. Is TOD calculate by the aircraft?
Hi FIG, Haha, well I can't really teach an entire aircraft + radio navigation in a single comment, but. . . Sync is an autopilot mode. Essentially pressing Sync "pauses" the autopilot and allows the pilot to fly the aircraft manually. Once Sync is released, the autopilot will take over again (maintaining the new flight path). So instead of setting a vertical speed, or indicated airspeed via the autopilot panel (as you would on most jets), on the 146 the pilot has to fly the aircraft to his desired parameter and then tell the autopilot to maintain it. It certainly takes a bit of getting used and makes the 146 trickier to fly than most modern jets, but it works fairly well overall. As for radio navigation, that's a whole other subject really. The aircraft does provide an indication of lateral navigation though via the HSI (pilot's compass), however it only tells you if you are left or right of track and how many miles you are to / from the waypoint - the rest is up to you to interpret (TOD is calculated manually for example). In all honesty, if you aren't comfortable with radio navigation and old-school gauges, you might find the 146 a bit of a challenge initially (and perhaps not so much fun as a result). It is certainly an aircraft that takes some getting used to and requires quite a bit of input from the pilot to fly - it is great fun as a result though! I hope that helps a little. Cheers and all the best! : )
@@IntotheBlueSimulations Thanks so much for the great explanation! I guess I've been trying to work my way up to flying the a32nx and/or a Boeing. I more prefer the modern jets. The CRJ was a good next step and I planned to move into the EJets as a further step towards one of those planes but nothing of good quality has come out yet (looking at you virtualcol). This would be a cool jet to learn to fly and I guess if I can get the hang of this, then moving to the PMDG 737 should be a breeze. My wings are clipped right now since I'm overseas but I might purchase it and study the manual for now until I'm able to fly it in the next few weeks. Thanks a bunch for responding 😀
@@pa4tim thanks a lot! Would they have something like that in the real aircraft..like a tablet with GPS or something? Would like to keep the experience as true as possible. I'm so spoiled by glass screens now...the idea of not having them is a little daunting 😅
Thanks for a nice demonstration and review. However, I would have to disagree with you on most of your negatives. I found them to be mostly knit-picking. There is a fully modeled cabin (as noted by you others others). A customised FMS is in the works and Just Flight will deliver it (also noted by you). Textures inside and out are outstanding, sure they could be even better but the 146s textures are beautiful. Regarding the flight model, you yourelf admitted that you've never flown this plane in real life, whereas i understand that Just Flight engaged with actual 146 pilots during the development of this module. Granted, failures aren't modeled (I know that's important for a small number of simmers). So, sorry I'm going against the general trend here (as most a praising your review). But honestly, if even this level of quality isn't enough to give it a top rating, then I don't know what will.
Hi Columbus, Thanks for the feedback! I can definitely see why my comments sometimes come across as nit-picking, but that isn't really the intent there; it's really for the viewers benefit, rather than my own. Personally I'm generally not too fussed about small texturing details etc, but I know some people are and so I point them out. I try my best to simply show what I see, rather than giving my own opinions (at least right until the end of the video). To address your points though: - The cabin modelling comment was an error on my part (very annoying, but we all make mistakes) and as you say, I have tried my best to remedy the situation by pinning Just Flight's comment. - The FMC is below the standards I was expecting, or rather the functionality is below the standards I was expecting (primarily based of the X-Plane 11 version of the aircraft). I feel Just Flight could have been clearer on what to expect but again, I was very clear throughout the video that a custom FMC is on the way and that the current offering is perfectly functional. - Textures internally are indeed stunning and I believe I said as much. The external textures are also very good and when I said "not the very best I have seen", I meant that quite literally; I have seen better, but they are still very good. There are one or two lower resolution textures, which I pointed out (again, really for the benefit of those who are bothered by such things). - For the flight model yes, I have never flown the 146 and will only ever be able to make educated guesses. I have flown quite a number of aircraft though, so I have a decent idea of how your average passenger jet handles and more to the point here, I have also flown the X-Plane version of the 146 and that handles more convincingly. I've no doubt that Just Flight have done everything within their power to get the 146 up to scratch within MSFS, but they themselves admit that there are still some limitations that they had to work around in the sim. I'm happy to admit that I am potentially completely wrong in my estimations, but I can only make best-guesses regarding the flight model of aircraft I haven't flown (and I am always quick to say as much), but of course people are going to want some sort of feedback on the flight model during a review. - Failures I can take or leave, again it's really just a question of pointing out the products functionality to the viewer (as I know some don't consider an aircraft "study level" if it doesn't have a failure system etc). I hope that clarifies my position and indeed my review style a bit. I try and remain as objective as I can throughout my reviews and I don't feel there's much I said here that wasn't true (with the exception of the cabin modelling). I realise that can perhaps come across as a bit negative at times and that's a fault in my presentation style perhaps, because overall I really liked the 146! I have updated the video title, to try and make that a little clearer. Again, thank you very much for your constructive criticism (genuinely). It's always good to hear feedback, positive and negative. I honestly don't think we are as far apart on the 146 as may have come across. Cheers and all the best! : )
@@IntotheBlueSimulations What an amazing and detailed response 👏. Thank you for addressing my comment in such a detailed and positive way. I truly did hope that you would see it as positive feedback (and just my opinion) and you did. It shows the calibre of person that you are, and the pride you take in your work. A real professional. Much respect to you mate.
Well thanks very much Columbus and likewise! It’s always nice to be able to have a civilised discussion online - it can be quite a rarity haha. All the best! : )
Great review, thanks for that. I will definitely buy this beautiful aircraft if I now the FPS hit is not that great. Still running a older GTX1080 Ti so I hope to fly it with arround 30 to 35 FPS, same as the great Kodiak (with stby horizon Cb pulled). So what is your opinion on the FPS with the 146?
Some people are reporting stutters only with the 146, others it runs absolutely great without any hit. I haven't seen any issues, but I haven't spent enough time to say it's all clear, personally.
Hi Harald, Apologies for the slow reply - glad you enjoyed the review! The 146 was costing me about an 11fps loss vs the default C152 (I was getting about 43fps in the 146) - so not bad overall! Please bear in mind though, those numbers will only apply to my specific hardware configuration and I also (inadvertently) had the interior cabin disabled for this flight. I hope that helps a little! All the best : )
Hi INH, You need electrical power in order for the stairs to operate (I can’t remember off the top of my head, but hydraulic power may be required also). I hope that helps! All the best : )
Hi AN, Apologies for the very slow reply - I only just had the chance to test the 146 again the other day. I only had the one flight, but the autoflight did seem to handle things better and the flight controls were noticeably smoother when hand flying. The FMC is still very basic at the moment though (I didn’t notice any changes there). It looked to me as if some of the texturing had been re-worked and much of what I discussed during the review, has since been addressed. Overall I really enjoyed the flight. Minus the FMC, the changes certainly bring the addon much more on a par with its X-Plane counterpart. I hope that answers your question somewhat. All the best : )
Thanks for this well rounded review. While I love Just Flight’s Hawk T1 and PA-28R Arrow III which are two of my favourite aircraft in MSFS, now that it is available, the 146 just doesn’t grab me at the moment and as my FPS is currently marginal after SU9 at only 28-30fps I will hold off getting this one for the time being. Perhaps when the sim sorts some io the current VR issues for me I’ll pick it up. Update: I caved and purchased it today 24/5 and am happy to say there is no noticeable reduction in fps which I now have comfortably above 30 fps so am happy. It looks good in VR. Now to learn how to handle it properly.
I'll bet Dave! I can never quite get the FPS I am looking for in MSFS / VR, but I've no doubt the 146 must be a great experience for those that can. All the best! : )
You're most welcome Snowy, my pleasure! That's fair enough, "to each their own". Just Flight have been putting out some cracking products in MSFS for sure and the 146 is generally no exception, but I'm sure the jet won't be everyone's cup of tea. . . Cheers and all the best! : )
Hi Jeremy, Yeah, the 146 is a really nice effort overall. The lack of automation does make the aircraft a little bit trickier to master initially, but that is one of the aircraft's charms - it makes for a really nice challenge. Like anything, as you practice, it will eventually become second nature. As just flight say, what's the worst that can happen? : P All the best! : )
Hi Clayton, I use real-world ATC recordings from LiveATC.net, that I then edit into the video. I believe there is an MSFS ATC chatter app available though, if that's the kind of thing you're after : ) I hope that helps. All the best!
Hi Dylan, What’s the issue in particular? Avionics Master switches will need to be on and then to turn on the NAV radio itself, you need to click on the front of the frequency selector knob (it’s written “ON” on the front, but fairly faint, so easy to miss). I hope that helps! Let me know if the issue is something other than that. All the best! : )
Hi Istvan, LNAV will follow the route that has been programmed in the FMC (flight computer). If you want to track a VOR radial, that will be done in a different autopilot mode (V/L). The aircraft cannot track an NDB, unless flown in heading (or a routing to the NDB has been entered into the FMC - and then again it would be flown in LNAV). I hope that helps! All the best : )
Thank you for your opinion. I really like Just Flight (like you) but I admit that I'm rather disappointed with the 146! I would have preferred to give an 8.5 out of 10 with less variation instead of a 7 out of 10 with lots of variation and the CDU is very disappointing. Waiting to see a big update of the 146 by JF. =-(
My pleasure as always sir! Yes, I think perhaps a bit more expectation management was needed ahead of the release of the 146. I knew that the FMC would have reduced functionality initially, but I didn't expect it to be *this* reduced. It's not necessarily even inaccurate, as some 146's were indeed fitted with very basic FMC's, but I think Just Flight could have been clearer from the get-go on that one. I still very much enjoy the aircraft but like you, I'm looking forward to the update when it comes (which I am sure it will). All the best! : )
Thank you very much sir! Very kind of you to say and very much appreciated : ) I'm afraid the RV-14 somewhat "fell through the cracks". I've been super busy of late and simply never had the time to take a look at it. I may carry out a flight in it etc at some point, but it probably wouldn't be a full review I'm afraid. Cheers and all the best!
Hey IntoTheBlue. Great review as always. The 146 is also a favourite of mine but i have yet to buy it. Which version do you currently think is the better offering between XPlane 11 and MSFS? It's a choice I'm struggling to make so was wondering your opinion as you haven't steered me wrong in the past.
Hi Azref, Thanks very much, glad you enjoyed the video! Oooof, that's a tough one to be honest! The two aircraft are broadly on a par for the most part; the X-Plane version has the better flight model (in my opinion), the MSFS version is obviously graphically superior. The MSFS version also has more functionality on paper than its X-Plane counterpart. I suppose it really comes down to how much you use each respective sim? It probably makes sense to buy for whichever version you'll use more. I still tend to use X-Plane for most of my tubeliner flying (as the flight modelling is a lot better), but the MSFS version of the 146 is perhaps a bit more "futureproof". If you use both sims roughly 50/50, I would say go with the MSFS version, as it does offer more overall (again bearing in mind though, that sadly the flight modelling isn't quite as good at this moment in time). I hope that helps a little. All the best : )
Hi Mark, I’m fairly sure Just Flight are planning on bringing their entire lineup to the console; currently WASM coding issues are preventing them from doing so though and that will be on Asobo / Microsoft’s end to fix (and is one of the main reasons why addons haven’t been flooding onto the Xbox). Frustrating I know, but hopefully it’ll just be a case of playing a waiting game : ) All the best!
Fantastic full review of the Bae 146 Professional (had just rewatched your beta test of this) one for the hanger but after hearing the PMDG 737 700 has a tentative release date for late this week or next weekend this one will have to stay a buy in the future. lol But one definitely for the future. Artful (Rob)
Cheers Rob, glad you enjoyed both vids! Haha, so did you end up going with the 737 in the end then? The 146 is definitely worth keeping an eye on anyway, a really fun jet overall (it would be a great pickup on sale for sure!). All the best : )
@@IntotheBlueSimulations Yes I bought the PMDG 737/700 to keep me occupied for the time being but will get the Bae 146 in the future but probably not before the Indiafoxtecho Panavia Tornado as I personally like my fast jets and runs around the mach loop which I learnt thanks to your videos :)
MSFS Professional suggests Air New Zealand is flying a variant of the BAE146. That is no longer correct. A 146-300 was last flown by Mt Cook Airlines, a subsidiary to ANZ, from mid 2001, going into storage about 20 months later and being eventually scrapped in 2007. Professional standards do require accurate representations, else the credibility of other information may also be construed as questionable. Nga mihi nui.
Hello Stephen, Apologies, I don't quite follow; did I say something to suggest that during the video (I don't think I did), or is it someone else that you're referring to? Greetings to you also! : )
@@IntotheBlueSimulations The video watched of an MSFS BAE 146 depicts an 300 variant in Air New Zealand livery. Plus, in a list of the different variants operated by airlines, Air NZ was among operators named to be flying the 300 variant. Given that it was used by ANZ almost two decades, is it appropriate - and correct - to be conveying an impression which is not factually correct that a particular airline operates this aircraft - which I personally happen to like?
I am enjoying the 146 at the moment but is anyone else pulling their hair out trying to work out what the bindings are for especially the autopilot modes? Want to bind up for instance ALT ARM and cant find anything that works
Hi Chris, I'm afraid I'm not too clued up on that myself. I know autopilot Sync is "Toggle Afterburner" if that's of any use to you, but otherwise it's not an area I've really looked into much myself. I hope you've been having some luck with it! All the best : )
@@IntotheBlueSimulations yes I was aware of the afterburner which is a shame as it woukd really have been a mini chubby concorde if they where operational! I think with custom code used yiu might need fsuip or such to interact with it which I have managed to avoid using for years. Its not so bad in VR though as it doesnt feel too unrwalistic using mouse to press some buttons instead
Hi Shane, I gather Just Flight are pretty keen to release their whole lineup onto the Xbox, but they (like many other developers) are waiting on Asobo / Microsoft to sort out the WASM coding issues that have hamstrung the console. So it’s difficult to give a timeline, but once the issue has been fixed up, you should see the 146 and many other addons finally making their way over to the console. Cheers and all the best! : )
Hi Holobolo, Sometimes I do, sometimes I don't. I did have it disabled for this video, as my FPS in central London wasn't spectacular and I figured with it being a high alt flight, photogrammetry wasn't going to be of much benefit overall. All the best! : )
Hi Mystic, Thanks very much, my pleasure! Apologies for the slow reply: Generally speaking I would say that the 146 is a significantly better offering. Not to say that the CRJ is bad, I very much enjoy it myself, but the 146 has quite bit more depth to it overall. Systems-wise the 146 is the significantly better product (more depth) and the same is true regarding sounds and features. Modelling and texturing quality is broadly the same on both addons, though the 146's external model is quite a bit better. The flight model of the 146 is also better than the CRJ's, though the two aren't worlds apart. If I had to choose between the two, it would very much be the 146 for me personally (again, that's not to say that the CRJ is bad though). I hope that helps a little! All the best : )
@@IntotheBlueSimulations It actually helps thank you. I already own the CRJ (both packages) and it is the main plane i have been flying since its release. I enjoy it a lot. So if you're telling me that the 146 is better, I will definitely go for this....once it is available on the MSFS market though.
Ah great! Well, it’s only my opinion of course, but that’s my take on it anyway. Just worth mentioning with the 146; obviously the automation is pretty basic as compared with the CRJ and certainly the FMC is (for now). Otherwise though, it’s a stellar little jet! Cheers : )
Hi Phil, Well I am as honest as I can be during my reviews and detail the bugs as and when I find them; that's not to say that more don't exist, simply that I haven't come across them in the time that I have been using the product. The 146 isn't perfect, but I think it's a nice offering overall. All the best
Haha, thanks very much Abdulmannan - very much appreciated! I'm on the Airbus in the real-world; I've flown a number of members of the family over the years : ) Cheers and all the best!
I already bought this on release day and first time I have to disagree with some of your negatives. For me, external and internal sounds are awesome, together with Hawk best in the sim so far, at least for jets. Also exterior visuals, few low res places here and there but generally looks good. Maybe differs livery to livery, I haven't tried them all. Cockpit is awesome. I agree better customs FMS would be good, but it's not that much of a problem for me. Not sure if flight model is study level or not, but definitely feels unique. Also this is one of the very few aircraft I fail to find any major bug or issue on release, quite rare sight these days. Yeah I maybe sound like JustFlight fanboy, but so far they always delivered great product and still working on improvements (custom FMS is one of the planned things).
Hi Tomas, Haha, well I don't think we are all that far apart then by the sounds of it? I'm a big Just Flight fan as well, but objectively speaking, I think they've done a great job with the little 146! Internal sounds are absolutely top notch (I think I said as much in the review); very immersive, but then they should be, as they were indeed recorded from a real 146. I wasn't so impressed by the external sounds personally, as I just felt they lacked a bit of "roar" and overall volume / depth (for me the Hawk has the best external jet sounds in the sim and I didn't feel that the 146 was on a par). I think I said the same as you regarding the external visuals as well haha. They are generally very good, one or two areas with lower resolution and the texturing isn't the very best that I have seen, but I meant that literally, it might not be *the very best*, but it is still very good overall. My flight model assessment was made based on two factors: 1) How I expect the aircraft might fly in the real world (an educated guess on my part) and 2) how the MSFS version compares with the X-Plane version. I would be surprised if the aircraft is quite as twitchy in pitch in reality and it doesn't display this behavior in X-Plane. I find that the jet flies a bit more nicely in X-Plane and Just Flight themselves have said that there are still some limitations within the MSFS flight model that they had to work around. Your bug point (or lack thereof) is a very valid one and something I didn't consider myself. I had thought the cabin on the 300 was an omission, but that was an error on my part. I was surprised by the state of the FMC (but that was perhaps just a case of expectation management) and the Navigraph issue was a genuine bug (not a major issue of course, but it coloured my opinion a little at the time perhaps). Again, I do think the 146 is a great offering! A really fun little jet to operate; Just Flight have done it justice and priced it fairly. Anyway, in case there was any doubt (I'm not always as articulate as I would like to be), I have updated the title accordingly haha. Thanks as always! All the best : )
Thank you once again for a very nice review. Have to say that it does look a little rushed, i know JF said it wasn't but hey. A few real missed ones for me are the map on the EFB now showing the route from the fmc, so you just have to hope the routing is right and isn't throwing some weird aproach like it sometimes does. And secondly, when you rotated, unless i missed it, there wasn't even an inch of wingflex. Even though i wouldn't see it in cockpit view, it is a big ol immersionbreaker. Other then that it does look, and sound absolutely amazing and would be an instant buy if it wasn't for 2 other comming out in close proximity. Going to be a hard choice to pick one.
The MSFS VFR map can be used to track your flight plan, and we struggled to detect any noticable wing flex when studying the real aircraft, although we appreciate how much the community enjoys it.
@@CambsPilot Thanks, i try to not use the VFR map as it is a bit intrusive. I just checked some irl and will stand truly corrected, those things really have like no flex, quite surprising. But very happy to cross out a (self imposed) negative.
If there is any possibility of having the route imposed on the EFB map, I know a lot of people would probably enjoy it. Using the sim's VFR map just kills the immersion a little bit I tend to find. . . All the best : )
My pleasure sir! The map idea is definitely a good one - a nice "half way" option for those who aren't entirely comfortable with navigating via the HSI and a good way of one seeing if there are any MSFS route "peculiarities" in the FMC. I had actually thought that the lack of wing flex was probably as a result of my recording technique, but that isn't in fact the case. Seems that "issue" has been clarified now anyway (I'm not surprised those stubby little wings don't move much haha). The 146 is a great little jet overall and the sounds really are top notch (recorded from the real aircraft no less!). Which aircraft did you decide to go for in the end then - or are you still having a tough time picking one? XD Cheers! : )
@@IntotheBlueSimulations Thanks for the reply. I ended up with the 146. Got her last friday. Thought the MD-80 was a bit clunky in having to place simbrief logs in folders and the textures and sound being a bit poor for the price. And when PMDG remained silent on the 737 and JF send me custom FM tweaks for the Arrow as i had some issues i knew where I wanted to send my money. Was plagued by some CTD on final at some european airports that i thought was 146 related but after 3 hours of testing in traced it to WU5 and fixed it. She flies very nice, the -100 is a real rocketship. And the WT fmc works great, very easy to use, same for swapping to Nav and capturing the ILS. Very happy i got her.
Thank you again for an excellent review. I was looking forward to this and it is definitely on my wish list. It is a pity that it seems to have been pushed out a little too quickly with some items like the FMC not in their final state. I will be getting this once I see some of the minor issues fixed as this is an aircraft I want to fly in the sim. I am waiting with great anticipation for your reviews of the Maddog and PMDG 737.
To clarify, there was nothing included at release that wasn't finished or in it's final state, although inevitably we'll be releasing fixes for any issues found since release and will like always look at adding new features.
My pleasure Peter! Sorry for the slow reply - things have been a bit hectic of late haven't they XD A few errors on my part during this review (unintentional of course): All variants of the aircraft do include a virtual cabin - unbeknownst to me, a toggle option had been added to the tablet (presumably to help save some fps). Perhaps slightly inarticulate on my part, but the FMC is "finished", it just offers much more limited functionality than I was expecting (I was expecting something more in-line with the X-Plane version of the aircraft). So whilst there are still a few improvements I would like to see, as CP points out, the 146 is "complete". It's a great, fun little jet overall - I'm looking forward to flying it again when I get the chance (though it sounds like Fenix is perhaps not going to give me that chance any time soon haha). Thanks as always! All the best : )
Thanks very much Matt, glad you enjoyed it! I'm on the Airbus in the real world; I've flown a number of different members of the Airbus family over the years : ) Cheers and all the best!
Hello Cameron, Just Flight are actually working on a more accurate FMC for the addon. The work has taken a fair well longer than I think most of us were expecting, but the 146 should get a higher fidelity FMC in the not-too-distant future - something more befitting of the otherwise excellent aircraft. I hope that clarifies things a little. All the best! : )
I hope thres a good manual 6:02 as there's lots of buttons to sort. I see headache tabs in my near future, I hope. Nice video, as always. I downloaded it. Lol, not joking 👍 😆 🤣 😂 ❤
Haha, thanks very much Conleth. I’m glad you found the video useful and I do hope the headache tablets weren’t necessary XD Happy flying and all the best! : )
Please help can someone help me I just purchased a Samsung Q 60 B television with built-in Xbox I joined Microsoft I’m using the simulator the only problem when I use mycontrol to go right with the plane the plane goes left if l go left with the plane the plane goes right please help what am I doing wrong this is very annoying thank you
Hi Ronald, That rather sounds like you simply have your control bindings back-to-front. Find which axis / buttons you have assigned to “ailerons” and then either invert the axis, or assign the buttons the other way around (via the controls menu). I hope that helps. Happy flying! : )
Thanks Tom, glad you enjoyed it! I must admit, I didn't get a chance to look for wing flex myself during the flight, but I wouldn't pay too much attention to any of the wing shots / external scenes; unfortunately the recording tool that I use for replays tends to "corrupt" some animations (ie the brakes are on 100% of the time haha) and so it may be that there is wing flex, but that it just doesn't show up during the replay. Sorry that isn't a very concrete answer. If you're really on the fence about picking up the 146 and that happens to be a deal-breaker, let me know and I'll check things out for you. Cheers and all the best! : )
Now that´s a good, useful review. Thanks and I can´t wait for your review of the MD80. I heard it feels ¨heavy¨ on the controls, unlike most other planes in the sim. Would be great if you could verify it.
Thanks very much David, I'm glad you found it useful! I hope you enjoyed the MD80 review as well in the end - she is indeed a heavy old gal haha XD All the best! : )
Hello Alex, The 146 can be purchased directly from Just Flight, as well as also being available through the in-sim Marketplace, the Simmarket website etc. I hope that helps. All the best! : )
Haha, thanks very much Joe! I tend only to use the voice effect outside of review videos. A lot of people didn't like it when I used the effect during reviews, as they felt it was harder to understand the information I was giving (we actually had a poll on it haha) - fair enough of course. So I tend now to only use the effect for flight-only videos and generally only the GA ones (as again that was the most popular consensus according to the poll). Cheers and all the best! : )
As noted by someone else below, the missing cabin isn't a bug but an option on the EFB that you didn't have enabled. We've now changed that to be enabled by default.
To be clear, nothing was rushed or released uncompleted versus the aims that we had set ourselves during development, although some of the community loves a conspiracy ;-)
Regarding the FMS, we decided months ago that a customised version of the WT FMS would be the most suitable option for MSFS at this stage given its capabilities and ease-of-use (better than the UNS-1 we included in P3D) and have been working directly with the WT on that implementation but maybe weren't clear enough in explaining that prior to release. I think 'custom' is one of those somewhat subjective and ambiguous terms like 'study level', as you often note, but we'll certainly continue to look at adding other navigation options like the older UNS-1 and newer GTN to reflect the wide variety of retrofit options found in real 146s.
Sounds were all recorded on a trip to RAF Northolt so are a close match to the real thing but will see if it can be tweaked.
In terms of flight dynamics, we've relied on the involvement of real world 146/RJ pilots for feedback. As you say, we're of course constrained by the limitations and behaviour of the simulator in terms of flight dynamics, autopilot behavior etc.
Thanks for the feedback and another enjoyable review!
Martyn - Just Flight
Thanks for the explanations, so pleased u will continue to work on her, you have done a great job
hay nice model man!, could y'all pls do a Gulfstream for msfs2020?, still waiting for a developer to build one. 🙏 🙏 🙏
Thank the Lord.
Cabins are a joke. You look once and never bother again.
Waste of time and PC resources. IMO !
@@TrueBlade-1889 no they are good for multiple views and good for role playing simmers
@@JamesJohnson-iw9dh Gulfstream is not having any part of flight Simulation
UPDATE: The apparent lack of cabin interior was actually an error on my part. All variants of the aircraft do come with the cabin interior modelled, it simply needs to be activated via the EFB.
and you'll have to excuse my setup for the departure there, I've no idea why I thought we were off to Compton - it's been a long week! XD
Not too late to rename the video JF 146: Straight into Compton.
Hi what’s the efb?
@@simonhurst5705 Electronic Flight Bag. The tablet.
Personally I think this plane is fantastic, model, systems, physics... It's the first plane in MSFS were i feel a unique handling. Today I've done 2 flight with this and i love it. Also my first time flying only with VORs (I've also disabled the FMC) and i realy enjoyed it.
I fully agree! I was actually very impressed as I had expectations for the maddog but this one feels like a real plane and the sounds, systems modeling are e superb and flight dynamics feel just right. On the contrary, i was not impressed with leonardos maddog. Ir feels very p3d like
Likewise Enrik, I hope I didn't give an impression to the contrary!
I know I can be a little picky at times, but generally that's not for my benefit, but simply to point out issues that I know some would wish to know about. The 146 is a joy to fly in the sim; unique, quirky and different enough from most other commercial jets, to offer an interesting challenge. Another cracking addon from Just Flight!
Cheers and all the best! : )
Hi Mark,
Yeah, both addons have their strengths, but the 146 offers a much more rounded product, for quite a bit less money. I will continue to fly both, but whereas I feel I got my money's worth with the 146, I'm not so sure with the Maddog. . .
All the best! : )
Does MSFS contain disused VOR and NDB? The great thing about XPlane is that decommissioned navaids still work which enables you to fly these old birds. You can also use old charts as they are phased out over time
Yep I have removed the FMS and am making trips by VOR , my 707 days are gradually coming back to me,
a lifetime ago, 70 next bday so not as sharp as perhaps I used to be. Thanks for all encouragement cheers and best regards Charlie
Haha, well that's great to hear Charlie; 4 engines as well in the plucky little 146, so almost indistinguishable from a 707 I'm sure : P
Happy 70th for whenever the time comes! : )
All the best!
Another great review, the BAe-146 is a favourite of mine. I spent a lot of time in the 90s fuelling them for Air BC out of the now defunct CYXD airport (Blatchford Field Edmonton City Centre Airport). The immersive sounds are impressive, the flap extension and retraction howl are nicely modelled. Loved to see your professional use of vertical speed and getting onto profile, old school lol. Very well done as always.
Hi FAA,
Thanks, glad you enjoyed it! The 146 is a favorite of mine as well, so it's really nice to see that Just Flight have done it justice. The sounds are indeed excellent and very immersive; they did in fact come of the real world aircraft.
I'm glad you enjoyed the flight! Old-school as you say haha, but that's one of the many reasons I love flying the 146!
Cheers and all the best : )
Thank you so much for this review/tutorial. I bought it on release and have slowly been working myself through the manual and other sources of tuition as well and find myself loving this craft a lot. Used your video to correct some of my mistakes and amend some of my flows and now it seems a lot more fluid in use. I normally fly FBW A20N which although is an excellent aircraft I do like to use CRJ's and the 146 because they offer a nice challenge because you have to employ more thought in advance before conducting a procedure and has a more hands on use approach. Thank you again for a superb and informative review.
Thanks very much once again Dave, my pleasure as always!
I'm glad you found the video of use; I'm sure there are a few errors in there on my part (the engine start sequence is actually 4,3,2,1 I believe for example - which I used to do, but then someone told me otherwise haha), but I think I broadly followed real world procedures and it gets the job done at any rate haha.
I completely agree, these sorts of aircraft are a tonne more fun to fly (at least in the sim). There is definitely an optimum balance, in terms of automation, to keep things interesting and the 146 has it. Overall it offers a nice challenge and is an enjoyable little jet to operate.
Cheers and all the best! : )
I love these smaller regional hop planes, definitely a purchase for me. I rarely have time for more than a 1-2 hour flight. Enjoyable as always watching your reviews! Been hectic here and I haven't gotten to fly as much as I'd like but things like this get a little inspiration going again.
It has a 2000 mile range.
Just because it's marketed as regional doesn't mean you can't fly longer flights.
@@TrueBlade-1889 Oh that's for sure, I just meant it's more in the style of flying I enjoy, to and from smaller regional airports than than the big major hub routes.
Likewise John; I tend to prefer shorter hops and it's more or less all I have time for these days at any rate haha. The146 is perfect for that type of flying and the automation (or slight lack thereof) is enough to keep one busy throughout most of the flight. A very enjoyable little jet.
I'm glad you enjoyed the video! Thanks as always for watching and all the best : )
I have been looking forward to this probably more than any other aircraft in the sim. It's one of my favourite birds, she's a unique bit of aviation history. Justflight appear to have done it justice, I have absolutely no reservations about getting it.
Great video as per usual, sir. Hope you're keeping well. :)
Yeah, as much as I enjoyed the 737, these sorts of aircraft are really my "cup of tea" in the sim. The perfect balance of automation / manual and enough quirks / unusual characteristics to keep things interesting.
A few little niggles that need neatening up and I would appreciate a more functional FMC, but Just Flight have absolutely done the plucky little 146 justice!
I do hope you're enjoying it. Happy flying and all the best! : )
I work in the oilfield. It sucks being trapped out here for 3 weeks straight when we've had a few killer releases. Hopefully the pmdg 737 drops on my off week this go round lol. Love your vids man, I've told you before but you're the only channel I look at for reviews on Sim releases. Thanks for all you do!
Haha, well I somewhat know the feeling Marshie; developers seem to have an uncanny ability of releasing products when I am away with work (I’ve been lucky with this round though) XD
Still, I suppose it helps prevent you making any impulse purchases : P
Thanks again for the kind words! Hopefully it won’t be long now until the MSFS skies are filled with 737’s haha.
Hope the rest of your stint goes well! All the best : )
I will definitely pick this up. I can recreate a few flights I have been a passenger on the 146, but this time from the pilots seat(not at the study level so much to learn).
Something msfs does not really translate very well is how fast it accelerates down the runway, it just seems too smooth.
As a passenger it really throws you back in the seat, it’s quite a rickety plane as compared to a bigger jetliner.
It’s why I think journeys on it have always stood out in my memory, it’s definitely more of an experience.
Hi Hlspwns World,
Ah great, I'm sure it will be fun to reenact some old trips, using a quality bit of "rickety" British engineering! XD
Yes, MSFS still has a long way to go when it comes to camera effects etc. I gather those sorts of improvements may come down the pipeline one day in the future, but I think that will be some time away yet.
Happy flying and all the best! : )
Well .. an update of this beauty is on its way, and I'm pretty sure it includes most - if not all of the needed improvements you've mentioned, and some more I've read.
Its the only "modern" aircraft I fly in MSFS, think I'm kinda hooked to it, like to work in the "office" as I do in the DC-3 and DC-6.
I think this is one of the best airliners for this simulator. Hands down. Love this plane along with several other mods like pilot2atc, gsx etc. I have my honeycomb alpha/bravo set up with differing sensitivities and it flies very well. I have the planes feels more "heavy" and it works really well using the reactivity and sensitivity options.
As usual your video convinced me to purchase. The youtube notification must Say '' Into the blue simulation published a New video, you're about to spend 60€'' but After your review I know that it was well spend !
Cheers from France
Haha! Well apologies Alexandre. . . I know the channel should come with some sort of a financial warning XD
I'm glad you find the reviews useful in making your purchasing decisions though and it's great that you're enjoying the 146!
Merci beaucoup! All the best : )
Another excellent review, cheers. Will be purchasing and downloading this in the morning. I’ve been glued to the snooker today 😀
Cheers Mark! Hope you're enjoying the 146 then!
Stand by for the "Into the Blue Snooker" channel - got to capitalise on viewership as much as possible after all ; )
All the best!
@@IntotheBlueSimulations Yes been flying it quite a lot all over the UK and into and out of Orbx’s Zaventem in SR livery. Love it. Needed to get the flights in before the 737 landed :)
Although I’ve watched many of your videos this is the first time I’ve commented and I’d just like to thank you for your continuous stream of enjoyable, informative, very slick professional videos. Also I find your reviews honest, balanced and fair with a tendency to turn any negativity into a more constructive critique which I’m sure will have the net result of only improving the product in question. Please keep up the good work 👍
Thank you ever so much for the kind words SimPilot - very much appreciated!
I really enjoy making the content, so it’s my absolute pleasure, but I’m really glad you like the vids and find them to be of use. I try my best to be balanced and honest and as as you say, I aim to critique fairly; after all I don’t think there are very many devs out there, who intentionally set out to make a bad product.
Thanks very much once again! All the best : )
Thank you for making such a brilliant review. It gives good insight into how a professional pilot operates this aircraft, I find it far easier to learn how to fly aircraft like the 146 by watching videos like this, than by reading the manual.
Thanks very much Scimiter, my pleasure!
I haven't flown the 146 in the real world, but I try to study up ahead of my reviews and I think the procedures used here are reasonably true to real life - enough to give one a good starting point at any rate.
Like you, I always find the information sinks in a lot easier when I watch something, as opposed to reading about it haha.
Anyway, I'm really glad you found the video of use. Thanks very much for watching and all the best! : )
Hi, Just want to know that MS Flight Simulator footage is Monetizable?
Hi Aviation Insight,
Sorry for the slow reply. I'm certainly no lawyer etc, so you'd have to take my advice with a pinch of salt; but used in this sort of fashion it certainly seems to be acceptable yes. As MSFS runs under an entertainment license, I would guess all of the rules that go along with that would apply here. So TH-cam appears to be fine for sure, if however you wanted to use MSFS footage in a documentary etc, I would hazard a guess that Microsoft's approval may need to be sought there.
Again, it's not really an area I know much about though I'm afraid, so that's about all the help I can really offer up.
All the best! : )
Just Flight have generally done a great job on what they've delivered to MSFS. They hinted they'd be bringing the Avro Vulcan a while back so i hope they turn attention to that soon.
They certainly have Dave! They've raised the bar in the sim on more than one occasion and they have yet to put out any product for MSFS, that hasn't been great.
I heard some rumours about the Vulcan as well. I own it in P3D and X-Plane haha, so for sure I would be beyond keen to see it arrive in MSFS!
Cheers and all the best : )
1:01:31 in my opinion that means a product is not study level. You say study level means type rating aid but in my opinion non normals is important element of that
Fair enough AN. You aren’t the only person I’ve come across that views things in such a way and I can certainly see where you’re coming from; I’ve just never seen it as a requirement myself.
For sure I prefer addons that do have comprehensive failure modelling, but I reckon if one spent some time with the 146 for example, they’d be pretty familiar with the flight deck stepping onto the aircraft and could probably have a pretty good stab at running through anything in the QRH etc.
Ultimately what constitutes “study level” is more of a grey area than a black and white line, but the aforementioned is the metric I use myself at any rate.
Cheers! : )
Great job, You set the bar for msfs reviews 👍
Thank you very much indeed Scotty, very kind of you to say and much appreciated : )
Cheers and all the best!
Awesome review as always!
Thank you sir! Very much appreciated : )
When scrolling the CRS button, or basically any button, press shift to scroll faster.
Hi Weights, thanks very much for the info!
I was aware that it's an option, but it would be nice if rotary rates were tied to the rate at which the user scrolls their mouse wheel (as has been the case in older sims for many years now). Having to hold shift is a bit of pain and often I don't have my keyboard close to hand. I'm hoping Asobo will do something to address this at some point.
None the less, much appreciated! Thanks again and all the best : )
it seems that the cabin can be summoned into existence using the EFB, which is a change from the 146-100. it defaults to off.
It's now enabled as default and that update is live as of this morning.
Yes, an error on my part there Bernard. I didn't realise the option had been added to the tablet (this wasn't the case when I previewed the aircraft), but I was wrong on that one nonetheless. Sounds like it has been patched up to operate the other way around now, perhaps a better solution overall.
Thanks for the info, all the best! : )
Expertly reviewed and flown 👍🏻
Thanks very much Sibzy, very kind of you to say! Glad you enjoyed the video : )
Thanks for watching and all the best!
I did loads of work and line maintenance on these birds :) nice to see them now in the virtual world.
Ah cool Alex. I always liked the 146, so it is indeed nice to see one in MSFS. I gather they were a bit of a pig to work on though haha?
All the best : )
@@IntotheBlueSimulations Well i was actually with the Rj100s a little bit better than the 146s but practically the same, I liked the little Jumbolinos there was a homely feeling to working with them on the night shifts in the hangar.
I really appreciate your comments about the flight modelling in XP vs MSFS as, (based on my very limited flight experience), the flight dynamics in MSFS just didn't feel "right", like they do in XP but are more "twitchy" and sensitive even with small control movements.
No, I'm not a pilot, (and will likely never pass the physical), so all I have to go on are a few flights in a Cessna 172 as a passenger years ago, and what people say flying aircraft "X" *should* be like - and I find that XP meets these expectations better than MSFS. However, as someone who mostly likes to look out the window while flying, MSFS does have an edge there. I have both, I fly both, and they both have their strengths and weaknesses. It's just nice to see someone who calls a spade a spade, (and admits when they goofed!), so you've earned yourself another subscriber!
Hello again Jim,
Which flight sim is “best”, can end up becoming quite a partisan topic haha, but I don’t really have a dog in the fight; I love simming and of course each sim has its own strengths and weaknesses - I’m happy to offer up my own thoughts / opinions where I can (some people appreciate that, others don’t).
X-Plane is still the king when it comes civilian jets (in my opinion), though MSFS has been doing a good job of playing catch-up of late. For GA aircraft, I feel the two sims are almost on a par now, though in fairness, I haven’t tried many payware GA addons in X-Plane.
As I say, I don’t have an agenda either way. I predominantly fly MSFS, because it’s hard to look past the graphics at this point (and there are now some great addons for the sim), but I still enjoy spending time in X-Plane, DCS etc also. I try to call a spade a spade and indeed we all make mistakes from time to time haha (though from some of the comments I get, apparently there are simmers out there who have never put a foot wrong - amazing! ; )
Thanks very much for the sub - welcome aboard! All the best : )
I believe the mcdu is a place holder for a more authentic system. That was the plan anyways.
Not a placeholder per se as the current FMS is actually more capable than some of those found on the real aircraft, but we do intend to add UNS-1 and GTN options to give you some variety.
It's more capable than the original ....
As CambsPilot points out PJ, it's not a placeholder per se - but a more comprehensive FMC is planned for a later date as you say.
I must admit, I didn't appreciate myself exactly what sort of FMC we would be getting with the release. I had thought we would be getting a more advanced version (more in-line with the X-Plane version of the aircraft) and so the FMC included with the aircraft felt a bit "rushed" to me. That was unfair though, as a less complex unit isn't necessarily and less realistic, it just wasn't what I was expecting to see. . . As mentioned during the review though; it seems to work perfectly well and certainly offers one enough functionality to get the aircraft from A to B.
All the best! : )
Absolutely gorgeous cockpit, possibly the best I've seen yet! I wasn't really a huge fan of the 146 in general, it looks kind of awkward on the outside, but it certainly does have some unique capabilities and of course is famous for being used by the Queen's Flight. So maybe I'll consider it.
It is certainly a beautiful cockpit and I would agree, one of the best I have seen yet (I may have said *the* best, but then Fenix came along and took that crown haha).
Not a fan of the 146?? Unacceptable sir! : P
I jest of course - to each their own! It is certainly an interesting and fairly unique piece of design though, fun to fly and as you allude to, if it's good enough for the Queen, it's good enough for me haha!
Worth considering for sure. Maybe keep an eye out for a sale or something ; )
Cheers and all the best!
24:58 no flaps vibration or wing flex?
I think the most awaited addon is a wing flex addon. This is way more important then any system or avionic simulation. The wing flex addon let's you sit on a window where you can look constantly on a flexing wing which will satisfy you.
@@peterspatz6918 I would say all of them are important. Wingflex matters alot in VR. Otherwise, it loses its immersion.
Hi AVX,
Just Flight actually spent quite a bit of time with the real aircraft, ahead of creating their original 146 addon. Apparently they noticed little to no wing flex on the real jet, hence its omission in the addon. I agree though, that the flaps are suspiciously "stoic" haha - that often tends to be the case in sims though doesn't it. . .
I hope that clarifies things a little. Cheers and all the best! : )
I've flown the smaller ERJ 170. It's fun, but I've been waiting forever for this aircraft to become available on flight sim Xbox. Seeing videos IRL of this craft just amazed me in it's beauty, thank you for the upload because the high market price had me unsure. ⭐
You’re most welcome on the video, HRTBRK!
The 146 isn’t the cheapest addon out there, but it’s an absolute gem and has only gone from strength to strength since I made this video (Just Flight recently added failures modelling, for example). If you’re a fan of the 146 in general, I’m sure you’ll love Just Flight’s rendition of the aircraft : )
Cheers and all the best!
"Study level" implies logically that there is a (basic) failure/damage model included. How else can you "study" an aircraft, if the immersion ends as soon as you make one step outside the normal procedures? Maybe the term should be really more specified. THX! 💙
And where does your definition of Study Level appear ?
I've never heard such a pontification before ... 🤣🤣🤣😴
Hi Ra,
I don't know about "implies", but I can certainly see where you're coming from. There are of course many aspects of operating an aircraft, that one could use a sim to try and help them understand though; workflows, systems operation, autoflight logic etc. Failures wouldn't necessarily play a part in studying up on any of those.
As you say, the term is pretty loosely defined and used to describe a *very* broad range of products - for that reason, it isn't a very good term overall. I use it in an effort to give people a rough idea of what to expect from the addon, but nothing more than that really. For me personally, I would consider "study level" to be any addon one can use to *meaningfully* study an aircraft - but that's just me. "Study level" is also interesting, in that it is a shifting term; the 146 is questionably "study level" by today's standards, but it would unquestionably have been defined as such 10 years ago haha.
That's my take on it anyway, but it's no more / less valid than the next mans haha.
Cheers and all the best! : )
Just enjoy the plane.
Here's a challenge for the 146. Do Yellowknife- Meinerzhagen via Gander and Keflavik in real time
Haha, I’m afraid that a bit of a stretch for me, Alexander! Once upon a time, I used to love doing those sorts of trips but, unfortunately these days, I’m lucky if I can find 1-2hrs for a simming session.
Thanks for the suggestion though! All the best : )
At minute 6:25 you talk about a workingtitle software on the background. What is this?
Workintitlestarted as a community mod for the G1000 I think and was then incorporated into the sim. What he´s saying is that this 146 doesn´t have a custom FMC (yet) and uses what Workintitle came up with.
Thanks for offering up the help David - very much appreciated! : )
Hi Mav,
As David states: Working Title started out as a community group, initially modding the CJ4 in the sim I believe. They did such a good job with it, that Asobo actually took them onboard and had them fix up the default G1000. These same enhancements to the sim's default coding have been used in the 146, hence why the addon's FMC works better than some other aircraft in the sim.
I hope that helps a little. All the best! : )
@@IntotheBlueSimulations, @davidtsw, many thanks for your kind explanations. Best regards
Excellent review many thanks. A very good tutorial that is concise, and well explained at every level. This is indeed a study level aircraft of exceptional detail and a very good quality product. I’m sure that the MCDU issues will be fixed with later updates. I will definitely be purchasing this aircraft. Personally I love its history and the roles it played in British aviation.
Thank you sir! I'm glad you found the video informative as both a review and somewhat of a tutorial, that's generally what I aim for : )
The 146 is indeed yet another quality offering from Just Flight; as you say, I've no doubt they will deliver on their promise of a more complex FMC at a later date. I'm a big 146 fan as well, so it's really nice to now have the aircraft in the sim - I've been enjoying it a lot.
Cheers and all the best!
Great review of such a nice aircraft! A smaller jet like this stacked with 4 engines is impressive. I'll go ahead and get this one.
Thanks very much NHG, glad you enjoyed it!
Yeah the 146 is a great little jet; well worth picking up if you think you might enjoy it. Interesting to operate and it offers a nice challenge.
I hope you're having fun! Happy flying and all the best : )
4 oil leaks connected by an electrical fault. Yes, yes, very nice.
The only commercial aircraft equipped with 5 APUs.
Previously I bought the Hawk aircraft through the in game marketplace, its throttle function broke after the Iberia update rendering the aircraft dead on ground. JustFlight never bothered to keep the marketplace offer up to date and their support web form doesn’t even work. I’d love to give this aircraft a try but I’m quite concerned that JustFlight may never be bothered to update it.
The Marketplace versions of our aircraft are fully up-to-date with the versions available from our website. I'm not aware of this throttle issue or any problem with our support page, so please try submitting a ticket again.
@@CambsPilot support/tickets/new keeps saying "Captcha verification failed, try again!". I've been trying to file a ticket ever since the Iberia update came out a month ago. The in-game marketplace says the Hawk airplane plugin is already fully up to date.
@@CambsPilot BTW, I tweeted to JustFlight a screenshot of the error displayed on "Submit a ticket" page, if that helps.
Well the EGLC scenery will have better use now. Plus it looks great, maybe a bit too clean.
Haha, I'm sure London City is a lot busier in the sim these days yes Sithira.
Yeah, the 146 looks great. Personally I prefer my addons to a look a little bit more weathered as well, but I know everyone has a different opinion on that one. . .
Cheer and all the best! : )
Looks so good!
Yeah, the 146 is another very nice offering from Just Flight overall Brett - a fun little jet too : )
All the best!
Can this be flown the "dummy way" by turning on the A/P to follow the course set before the flight or do you have to be good with the FMS, etc? :)
Hello Allen,
I’m afraid I can’t 100% remember, whether or not that’s possible with the 146. I *think* the aircraft is still capable of doing so; certainly that used to be an option with the addon, but I’m not sure whether that is still the case, now that Just Flight have added an FMC. It would be best to check the product description, or get in touch with Just Flight directly - just to be sure.
Sorry I can’t be of more help on that one. All the best : )
Thank you good sir! @@IntotheBlueSimulations
You’re most welcome! : )
Another fair well “rounded” review, I am a little undecided on this aircraft for the hangar, it has to be said that JF do have integrity and honesty and based on other aircraft from this developer JF do as they say regards updates, I am hopeful this aircraft will NOT be the exception. I think we have to allow JF to update in due course. Thanks again, how go the sleepless nights Kind Regards Charlie.
Thanks Charlie!
Yes, of course one is always taking a slight gamble with these sorts of things, but I think betting on Just Flight, is about as bulletproof as betting on any dev to deliver could be. They have kept all of their MSFS output up to date (in a timely fashion) and as I say, they did the same thing with the X-Plane 11 146's FMC and were certainly true to their word there.
Ultimately the current FMC does get the job done and I'm sure a chap that flew the mighty 707, wouldn't be too averse to a little bit of VOR to VOR navigation at any rate ; )
Yeah, ticking along with the baby. Some days are a breeze, others are a little more trying haha XD
Thanks very much and all the best! : )
I noticed on the landing that there seemed to be no wing flex/vibration at all, does this aircraft have wing flex?
Hi GSH,
There's not really any wing flex to speak of on the 146 Professional. Just Flight did spend a lot of time with the real aircraft and I gather that includes being airborne in it; they said that they saw little to no wing flex in the real 146 - hence the modelling.
I hope that helps. All the best! : )
@@IntotheBlueSimulations Thanks for the speedy reply, I'm surprised that there is little or no wing flex on a 4 engine aircraft, very interesting to know though. Stay well 🙂
You’re most welcome Golf!
Yes, it is somewhat surprising, but then they are rather stubby wings and little engines haha. Not having been on a 146 myself, I can’t say whether or not it’s accurate I’m afraid.
Cheers, and you : )
@@IntotheBlueSimulations same here, I know that bonny Prince Charles dumped one off the end of a runway once upon a time but that sadly is my total knowledge of the 146.
Im trying to figure out what i want . So i want the MD-80 and i want this one so witch one do u suggested i have no idea which one is better
Ooof, that's a tough one SBG!
The MD80 is a more complex / in-depth simulation overall, but looks rather dated (and the sounds could be better). The Just Flight 146 is still a very good simulation of the aircraft and is much more up to modern standards. Overall the 146 offers *much* better value for money, but some of it will come down to personal preferences on the aircraft.
If I could only chose one, it would be a real struggle, but I think I would go for the 146, as you get a lot more "bang for your buck" (I do really enjoy flying the MD80 though haha)
I hope that helps a little. All the best! : )
@@IntotheBlueSimulations ok tysm ive asked alot of pll and they all suggest the 146 so ima choose that one thanks again
Hey man great video! Whats your in game settings by any chance? is everything ultra or just set to high?
Hi Joe,
Thanks very much, I’m glad you enjoyed it!
My settings are roughly as such:
- “High End” preset
- Pre-Cache = Ultra
- Terrain and Object visibility sliders set at 125% (sorry, I forget the actual names of them)
- Motion Blur = Off
- Glass Cockpit Refresh = Medium
- AI Traffic = Off
- VSync = On / 60fps
That gives a nice balance between graphics and performance. I only run at 1080p, hence the decent FPS. The things I’ve turned off / down are known to be famerate hogs.
I hope that helps a little! All the best : )
As always, great and detailed review. Thanks
Thanks very much Ron! I'm glad the review was of use. Cheers for watching and all the best : )
I watched a Swiss 001 stream and he struggled taking off in this and rage quitted the stream lol
Haha! Do you happen to have a link to the stream? I really enjoy Swiss 001’s videos, he’s a brilliant entertainer; that does sound rather amusing to watch though XD
Cheers!
Thank you for this tutorial video. It will help me a lot with how to fly the 146!
My pleasure TTTS!
I try and make my reviews a little bit of a tutorial as well for sure, so it's always really nice to hear when someone finds the video to be of use.
Best of luck and happy flying! : )
Hey ITBS - I actually bought this but havent flown it yet and a great review, very thorough as always. I have decided to leave it in the hangar until some of the small issues with FMC etc are sorted out. Also, that allows me time to use PMDG 737 when it comes out and learn it while the 146 'bakes' a little longer with the developers. Also, Just Flight are generally very good at getting patches out etc. Hope you are well and not too tired :-) Also, nice little programme came out today called 'A Pilot's Life 2' which will give ample reason to fly our 146, 737's etc :-)
Hi James,
Gosh it's been busy of late haha! I imagine most of us have too many aircraft to even know what to do with at this point XD
The FMC actually "caught me off guard" somewhat. It is technically finished apparently (until we get the full custom FMC at any rate), but it has quite a bit less functionality than I was expecting (I was expecting something more in line with the X-Plane version of the aircraft); it's not necessarily even inaccurate, as the 146 was fitted with some pretty basic FMC's, but I think it is a little too "bare bones" currently. Then again, I enjoy flying the 146 VOR to VOR a lot of the time, so it's not a big issue for me at least. As you say, Just Flight are great at putting in the work and I gather we've had one patch already.
I'll have to check out "A Pilot's Life" when I get a chance, although right now I barely have a spare second haha - I'm currently living "A TH-camrs / Dad's Life" haha!
Happy flying! : )
Great review and tutorial. How are you moving so fluidly around the cockpit? I use a hat switch on my yoke and it’s no where near as smooth.
Thanks very much NP, glad you enjoyed it / found it of use!
I use a device called TrackIR for the camera movements. It basically takes one’s head movements and inputs them into the game. It’s a great piece of hardware, albeit a little pricey. There are some cheaper / freeware alternatives available though, if you’re interested in giving it a go : )
I hope that helps. All the best!
A very nice tutorial/preview/introduction... as it was released, i already bought it... Love this quircky bird, next up the 737 and the MD-80... yer going to be busy! Subbed!
Thanks very much Frankenstein, I'm glad you thought so!
It has indeed been a busy couple of weeks and it sounds as though the Fenix 320 isn't too far off now either haha XD
Thanks very much for the sub, I'm glad you're enjoying the content! Welcome aboard : )
Difficult to get much from the MCDU, I seem to be trimming constantly. Must the TFM. Lol 👍 did manage to land, just.Will be go back to these but a lot for one go. Great video Slainte 👍 ❤
The MCDU is indeed pretty basic, Conleth. The unit is actually a bit of a stop-gap solution, as Just Flight are working on a custom FMC, though even that will be pretty basic by modern standards. I haven’t had a chance to fly the 146 for some time, but don’t recall trim being a big issue, perhaps the flight model has been changed somewhat. . . I would agree though, it’s not the easiest aircraft to get a nice landing out of haha.
Best of luck with the continued learning! : )
Will. Eseeing how it does in VR tonight. Its funny but looking at the cockpit its not an Airbus 320 by any means but you can see in some thinking, system layouts and terminology where the current 320 came from.
Hope you had fun in VR then Chris (I'll bet the 146 is great in VR)!
Yes, you can definitely see a bit of Airbus' heritage in the 146. I guess it's no coincidence. . . I always think if you squint, the cockpit could be a pint-sized Concorde flight deck as well haha XD
Cheers and all the best! : )
What is the background atc talking you have enabled?
Hi Laurence,
It’s audio recordings that I have take from LiveATC.net and then edited into the video. I believe there is an MSFS ATC chatter app available though, if that’s the sort of thing you’re after : )
Cheers and all the best!
Start Sequence is 4-3-2-1. It might have been the sim's audio and I missed it on the video but if one was blindfolded, THE feature of the 146/RJ that set it apart from any other airliner is the 'howl' as the flaps go from Up to 18 - has this been replicated?
And judging by some of the comments below re 'how do you know where you're going?' it would seem that the 'children of the magenta line' now span at least a generation of real and wannabee pilots. perhaps they should save their money until the RJ rolls off the JF production line.
Howl is replicated. Sounds are great
Thanks for offering up the info Nils, much appreciated! The sounds on the 146 are indeed excellent - recorded from the real aircraft no less!
All the best : )
Thanks for the info Manlatycon!
Haha, well in every previous video I have made with the 146, I went 4,3,2,1 on the start sequence, but I then had someone reach out and tell me they did it 1,2,3,4 in the 146 sim centre he worked at XD
I'll stick with 4,3,2,1 then, as that's what I was doing originally and I'm sure I would have read that somewhere at some point, as opposed to just randomly deciding on that sequence.
I didn't notice the flaps howl myself, but judging by Nils' comments, it is there (I wasn't aware that was a characteristic of the real aircraft, I shall have to go and watch some vids).
Haha, well I guess you can't blame people too much for a lack of familiarity with "old-school" navigation. As you say, it's been at least one generation now that has known nothing else. I suppose given enough time, these sort of skills may go the way of astral navigation etc. . . Either way, I'm looking forward to the RJ as well ; )
Cheers and all the best! : )
Looks quite decent. I ain't really a fan of airliners but the 146 definitely has a ton of character. Those high wings, four engines and squat landing gear makes it look quite cool and unique. As I said and have said before, not really a big airliner fan but really tempted by this. I find more modern airliners with their massive amount of automation to be incredibly dull but this seems like it's a bit more hands on and steam gauges are always a big plus in my books. Looks like it could deal with old school VOR navigation quite well, I tend not to bother with flight computer shenanigans.
Cheers for the review flight, great job as always.
Ahhh, it's basically just a big bush plane Megadyptes! : P
Yeah, even if you aren't ordinarily a jet fan, the 146 is certainly worthy of consideration (maybe even wait for a sale perhaps); it's fun to operate and the automation isn't going to do much of the work for you (it actually takes some forethought sometimes, to get the jet to do what you want). The aircraft was of course originally designed to fly VOR-VOR, so it's in its element there.
Steam gauges, sounds recorded from the real jet, four engines and the Queen used to fly around in one of them, oh and it's Just Flight - what's not to like?! : P
A pleasure as always! All the best : )
@@IntotheBlueSimulations well there's a challenge for you, take off and land the 146 at some dinky little dirt strip in Papua New Guinea or somewhere else entirely unsuitable. That actually reminds me of an aviation story. Back during the most recent afghan war the US military wanted to shift some huge power generator or something to a remote and high airstrip. The USAF refused the job saying they had nothing that could safely do the job so they put a contract out which was ignored by everyone for the same reasons. Some Russians saw it and decided why not. They bought an old and barely airworthy Il-76 on the cheap , picked up the cargo and flew it in. After landing it some yanks joked about getting the plane back out again and the Russians merely shrugged and drove their way back to Russia and made a handsome profit. Read about that in a book called Outlaws Inc. by Matt Potter which is an entertaining read about aviation smuggling in the 90s and early 00s, mostly by ex soviet aviators in ex soviet air force cargo planes. The Il-76 does look a bit similar to the 146 now I think about it.
As usual excellent review 🤘
Thank you very much indeed Nazgul! Glad you enjoyed it : )
All the best!
What radio communications MOD are you using?
I’m guess LiveATC?
Hi MA,
You’re correct sir. I use recordings from LiveATC.net, which I then edit into the video. I believe there is an ATC chatter app available for MSFS though, if that’s the sort of thing you’re after : )
All the best!
What is being used for the background ATC, thanks.
Hi SN,
I use recordings from LiveATC.net, which I then edit into the video. I believe there is an MSFS ATC chatter app available though, if that’s the sort of thing you’re after : )
All the best!
just wondering what your using for the atc chatter in the background?
probably FS-ATC chatter
Hi James,
I use real-world recordings from LiveATC.net, that I then edit into the video. As Jenny very helpfully points out though, there is an MSFS ATC chatter app available, if that's the kind of thing you're after : )
Cheers and all the best!
That's not how I do it Jenny, but it seems like FS-ATC Chatter is a great option : )
Thanks for offering up the help. All the best!
So I'm just working my way back into MSFS after about a decade in DCS. I got the PMDG DC-6 recently, and I'm absolutely blown away by the detail and depth of simulattion. How would you say this compares? What I mean to ask is: Is this plane as well modeled as what PMDG puts out? I'm not entirely I'm not terribly familiar with the civil sim groups.
Hi Knubinator,
Glad you're enjoying the DC6, it is indeed an amazing offering from PMDG! I would say that the 146 is broadly on a par; systems-wise the fidelity is certainly there, although there is no failure modelling etc (so the DC6 has the edge there). Sounds are pretty even between the two (the 146 has pretty excellent sounds overall) and the 146 has the edge in terms of textures and modelling. The one area where I feel the 146 falls down just a little is the flight modelling and the automation. The aircraft feels a little sensitive in pitch (most MSFS aircraft do) and the automation can be a little bit sub-optimal at times (nothing crazy, but it can overshoot turns a little etc).
The 146 is a very fun jet to operate though and it provides a nice challenge with its unusual automation etc. Is it as good as the DC6, I would say not quite, but it isn't far off.
I hope that helps a little? All the best! : )
@@IntotheBlueSimulations Thanks! I just picked up the PMDG 737, but the 146 is back on the shopping list. Thanks so much for the comparison!
what graphics settings are you playing on?
Hi DodgyCurry,
My graphics settings are broadly as such:
- “High End” preset
- Pre-Cache = Ultra
- Terrain and Object visibility sliders set at 125% (sorry, I forget the actual names of them)
- Motion Blur = Off
- Glass Cockpit Refresh = Medium
- AI Traffic = Off
- VSync = On / 60fps
I only run at 1080p. The things I’ve turned off / down are known to be famerate hogs.
Nothing flashy really. I do spend quite a bit of time tweaking lighting and weather in many of my videos though - that's probably what you're noticing (both can make a huge difference in the sim).
I hope that helps a little! All the best : )
This plane seems great, but for $64.99 US I'd expect a one to one replica of the MCDU. Do we know if this is planned future state? I don't want additional features that don't exist in the real plane, nor missing features of the real MCDU at this price point.
Hi Blair,
Just Flight have stated that they plan to include a more comprehensive FMC at a later date. They did the same in X-Plane 11 with the 146 and were true to their word (though of course you always take a small gamble at the end of the day). To be fair, the 146 flew with all kinds of FMC's and indeed no FMC for much of it's lifespan, so the current Just Flight version may not be all that inaccurate (I'm not familiar enough with the FMC options used on the aircraft, to say whether or not it is for sure), but I would still like to see more comprehensive FMC at a later date myself also.
Cheers and all the best! : )
Thanks for the video. Just one question, during the landing, Have I to arm the spoiler or HAve I to deploy them manually ?
Manual activation
Thanks for offering up the help Dave! Much appreciated : )
My pleasure Germano, cheers!
As Dave very helpfully points out, it's manual spoiler deployment on the 146 (and indeed manual braking + no reversers haha).
All the best! : )
I don't know anything about how this plane works..what is sync and how is that different from autopilot? Also....how do you know where you're going with no visible lateral navigation (no glass screens I mean). I kind've wanted to get this aircraft but I feel like I'm going to have a hell of a time trying to fly it lol. Is TOD calculate by the aircraft?
Old school using radios to navigate using VOR-DME and NDB. You can use littleNavMap or Volanta totrack your plane if you like.
Exactly Tim! Good point as well on using external apps, if one isn't a fan of flying VOR-VOR etc.
Cheers! : )
Hi FIG,
Haha, well I can't really teach an entire aircraft + radio navigation in a single comment, but. . .
Sync is an autopilot mode. Essentially pressing Sync "pauses" the autopilot and allows the pilot to fly the aircraft manually. Once Sync is released, the autopilot will take over again (maintaining the new flight path). So instead of setting a vertical speed, or indicated airspeed via the autopilot panel (as you would on most jets), on the 146 the pilot has to fly the aircraft to his desired parameter and then tell the autopilot to maintain it. It certainly takes a bit of getting used and makes the 146 trickier to fly than most modern jets, but it works fairly well overall.
As for radio navigation, that's a whole other subject really. The aircraft does provide an indication of lateral navigation though via the HSI (pilot's compass), however it only tells you if you are left or right of track and how many miles you are to / from the waypoint - the rest is up to you to interpret (TOD is calculated manually for example).
In all honesty, if you aren't comfortable with radio navigation and old-school gauges, you might find the 146 a bit of a challenge initially (and perhaps not so much fun as a result). It is certainly an aircraft that takes some getting used to and requires quite a bit of input from the pilot to fly - it is great fun as a result though!
I hope that helps a little. Cheers and all the best! : )
@@IntotheBlueSimulations Thanks so much for the great explanation! I guess I've been trying to work my way up to flying the a32nx and/or a Boeing. I more prefer the modern jets. The CRJ was a good next step and I planned to move into the EJets as a further step towards one of those planes but nothing of good quality has come out yet (looking at you virtualcol). This would be a cool jet to learn to fly and I guess if I can get the hang of this, then moving to the PMDG 737 should be a breeze. My wings are clipped right now since I'm overseas but I might purchase it and study the manual for now until I'm able to fly it in the next few weeks.
Thanks a bunch for responding 😀
@@pa4tim thanks a lot! Would they have something like that in the real aircraft..like a tablet with GPS or something? Would like to keep the experience as true as possible. I'm so spoiled by glass screens now...the idea of not having them is a little daunting 😅
Thanks for a nice demonstration and review. However, I would have to disagree with you on most of your negatives. I found them to be mostly knit-picking. There is a fully modeled cabin (as noted by you others others). A customised FMS is in the works and Just Flight will deliver it (also noted by you). Textures inside and out are outstanding, sure they could be even better but the 146s textures are beautiful. Regarding the flight model, you yourelf admitted that you've never flown this plane in real life, whereas i understand that Just Flight engaged with actual 146 pilots during the development of this module. Granted, failures aren't modeled (I know that's important for a small number of simmers). So, sorry I'm going against the general trend here (as most a praising your review). But honestly, if even this level of quality isn't enough to give it a top rating, then I don't know what will.
Hi Columbus,
Thanks for the feedback! I can definitely see why my comments sometimes come across as nit-picking, but that isn't really the intent there; it's really for the viewers benefit, rather than my own. Personally I'm generally not too fussed about small texturing details etc, but I know some people are and so I point them out. I try my best to simply show what I see, rather than giving my own opinions (at least right until the end of the video). To address your points though:
- The cabin modelling comment was an error on my part (very annoying, but we all make mistakes) and as you say, I have tried my best to remedy the situation by pinning Just Flight's comment.
- The FMC is below the standards I was expecting, or rather the functionality is below the standards I was expecting (primarily based of the X-Plane 11 version of the aircraft). I feel Just Flight could have been clearer on what to expect but again, I was very clear throughout the video that a custom FMC is on the way and that the current offering is perfectly functional.
- Textures internally are indeed stunning and I believe I said as much. The external textures are also very good and when I said "not the very best I have seen", I meant that quite literally; I have seen better, but they are still very good. There are one or two lower resolution textures, which I pointed out (again, really for the benefit of those who are bothered by such things).
- For the flight model yes, I have never flown the 146 and will only ever be able to make educated guesses. I have flown quite a number of aircraft though, so I have a decent idea of how your average passenger jet handles and more to the point here, I have also flown the X-Plane version of the 146 and that handles more convincingly. I've no doubt that Just Flight have done everything within their power to get the 146 up to scratch within MSFS, but they themselves admit that there are still some limitations that they had to work around in the sim. I'm happy to admit that I am potentially completely wrong in my estimations, but I can only make best-guesses regarding the flight model of aircraft I haven't flown (and I am always quick to say as much), but of course people are going to want some sort of feedback on the flight model during a review.
- Failures I can take or leave, again it's really just a question of pointing out the products functionality to the viewer (as I know some don't consider an aircraft "study level" if it doesn't have a failure system etc).
I hope that clarifies my position and indeed my review style a bit. I try and remain as objective as I can throughout my reviews and I don't feel there's much I said here that wasn't true (with the exception of the cabin modelling). I realise that can perhaps come across as a bit negative at times and that's a fault in my presentation style perhaps, because overall I really liked the 146! I have updated the video title, to try and make that a little clearer.
Again, thank you very much for your constructive criticism (genuinely). It's always good to hear feedback, positive and negative. I honestly don't think we are as far apart on the 146 as may have come across.
Cheers and all the best! : )
@@IntotheBlueSimulations What an amazing and detailed response 👏. Thank you for addressing my comment in such a detailed and positive way. I truly did hope that you would see it as positive feedback (and just my opinion) and you did. It shows the calibre of person that you are, and the pride you take in your work. A real professional. Much respect to you mate.
Well thanks very much Columbus and likewise! It’s always nice to be able to have a civilised discussion online - it can be quite a rarity haha.
All the best! : )
Great review, thanks for that. I will definitely buy this beautiful aircraft if I now the FPS hit is not that great. Still running a older GTX1080 Ti so I hope to fly it with arround 30 to 35 FPS, same as the great Kodiak (with stby horizon Cb pulled). So what is your opinion on the FPS with the 146?
Some people are reporting stutters only with the 146, others it runs absolutely great without any hit. I haven't seen any issues, but I haven't spent enough time to say it's all clear, personally.
Hi Harald,
Apologies for the slow reply - glad you enjoyed the review!
The 146 was costing me about an 11fps loss vs the default C152 (I was getting about 43fps in the 146) - so not bad overall! Please bear in mind though, those numbers will only apply to my specific hardware configuration and I also (inadvertently) had the interior cabin disabled for this flight.
I hope that helps a little! All the best : )
Oh really Joe? The pre-release version definitely seemed to hit my fps pretty hard, but I've no real issues with the 146 since purchasing.
Cheers! : )
stairs aren't retracting, any possible reason why?
Hi INH,
You need electrical power in order for the stairs to operate (I can’t remember off the top of my head, but hydraulic power may be required also).
I hope that helps! All the best : )
Is the FMC and autoflight now on par with xp?
Hi AN,
Apologies for the very slow reply - I only just had the chance to test the 146 again the other day. I only had the one flight, but the autoflight did seem to handle things better and the flight controls were noticeably smoother when hand flying. The FMC is still very basic at the moment though (I didn’t notice any changes there). It looked to me as if some of the texturing had been re-worked and much of what I discussed during the review, has since been addressed. Overall I really enjoyed the flight. Minus the FMC, the changes certainly bring the addon much more on a par with its X-Plane counterpart.
I hope that answers your question somewhat. All the best : )
@@IntotheBlueSimulations thanks!
You’re most welcome! : )
Thanks for this well rounded review. While I love Just Flight’s Hawk T1 and PA-28R Arrow III which are two of my favourite aircraft in MSFS, now that it is available, the 146 just doesn’t grab me at the moment and as my FPS is currently marginal after SU9 at only 28-30fps I will hold off getting this one for the time being. Perhaps when the sim sorts some io the current VR issues for me I’ll pick it up.
Update: I caved and purchased it today 24/5 and am happy to say there is no noticeable reduction in fps which I now have comfortably above 30 fps so am happy. It looks good in VR. Now to learn how to handle it properly.
It’s fantastic in VR. Reverb G2.
Thanks for sharing bud.
Tell us more about your life. How the wife ? Kids ? Career ?
What are your aspirations ?
I'll bet Dave! I can never quite get the FPS I am looking for in MSFS / VR, but I've no doubt the 146 must be a great experience for those that can.
All the best! : )
You're most welcome Snowy, my pleasure!
That's fair enough, "to each their own". Just Flight have been putting out some cracking products in MSFS for sure and the 146 is generally no exception, but I'm sure the jet won't be everyone's cup of tea. . .
Cheers and all the best! : )
@@TrueBlade-1889 I’m pleased you asked…….
looks great. I love all of JFs previous airplanes. The lack of automation on this one scares me a bit...
Thanks for the kind words. Go on, nothing to be scared of. What's the worst that can happen? :)
Hi Jeremy,
Yeah, the 146 is a really nice effort overall. The lack of automation does make the aircraft a little bit trickier to master initially, but that is one of the aircraft's charms - it makes for a really nice challenge.
Like anything, as you practice, it will eventually become second nature. As just flight say, what's the worst that can happen? : P
All the best! : )
@@IntotheBlueSimulations Bought it tonight, let the learning begin!
Haha, best of luck! If you have any questions, I’ll try my best to be of help : )
Happy flying!
What are you using for atc chatter?
Hi Clayton,
I use real-world ATC recordings from LiveATC.net, that I then edit into the video. I believe there is an MSFS ATC chatter app available though, if that's the kind of thing you're after : )
I hope that helps. All the best!
I'm having a hard time getting my VHF NAV pilots side panel to work... can't find any tutorials on it:(
Hi Dylan,
What’s the issue in particular? Avionics Master switches will need to be on and then to turn on the NAV radio itself, you need to click on the front of the frequency selector knob (it’s written “ON” on the front, but fairly faint, so easy to miss).
I hope that helps! Let me know if the issue is something other than that.
All the best! : )
@@IntotheBlueSimulations it must be that "on" button on the selector! For some reason I am unable to push it.
So LNAV basically means, that the plane will follow a route and a marker(NDB or VOR) to stear to it?
Hi Istvan,
LNAV will follow the route that has been programmed in the FMC (flight computer). If you want to track a VOR radial, that will be done in a different autopilot mode (V/L). The aircraft cannot track an NDB, unless flown in heading (or a routing to the NDB has been entered into the FMC - and then again it would be flown in LNAV).
I hope that helps! All the best : )
Thank you for your opinion. I really like Just Flight (like you) but I admit that I'm rather disappointed with the 146! I would have preferred to give an 8.5 out of 10 with less variation instead of a 7 out of 10 with lots of variation and the CDU is very disappointing. Waiting to see a big update of the 146 by JF. =-(
My pleasure as always sir!
Yes, I think perhaps a bit more expectation management was needed ahead of the release of the 146. I knew that the FMC would have reduced functionality initially, but I didn't expect it to be *this* reduced. It's not necessarily even inaccurate, as some 146's were indeed fitted with very basic FMC's, but I think Just Flight could have been clearer from the get-go on that one.
I still very much enjoy the aircraft but like you, I'm looking forward to the update when it comes (which I am sure it will).
All the best! : )
Thank you. For another outstanding review. Yours are the only reviews I respect. Will you review the SWS Vans RV-14?
Thank you very much sir! Very kind of you to say and very much appreciated : )
I'm afraid the RV-14 somewhat "fell through the cracks". I've been super busy of late and simply never had the time to take a look at it. I may carry out a flight in it etc at some point, but it probably wouldn't be a full review I'm afraid.
Cheers and all the best!
Hey IntoTheBlue. Great review as always. The 146 is also a favourite of mine but i have yet to buy it. Which version do you currently think is the better offering between XPlane 11 and MSFS? It's a choice I'm struggling to make so was wondering your opinion as you haven't steered me wrong in the past.
Hi Azref,
Thanks very much, glad you enjoyed the video!
Oooof, that's a tough one to be honest! The two aircraft are broadly on a par for the most part; the X-Plane version has the better flight model (in my opinion), the MSFS version is obviously graphically superior. The MSFS version also has more functionality on paper than its X-Plane counterpart.
I suppose it really comes down to how much you use each respective sim? It probably makes sense to buy for whichever version you'll use more. I still tend to use X-Plane for most of my tubeliner flying (as the flight modelling is a lot better), but the MSFS version of the 146 is perhaps a bit more "futureproof". If you use both sims roughly 50/50, I would say go with the MSFS version, as it does offer more overall (again bearing in mind though, that sadly the flight modelling isn't quite as good at this moment in time).
I hope that helps a little. All the best : )
More for the PC not the X-box - well done just flight-
Hi Mark,
I’m fairly sure Just Flight are planning on bringing their entire lineup to the console; currently WASM coding issues are preventing them from doing so though and that will be on Asobo / Microsoft’s end to fix (and is one of the main reasons why addons haven’t been flooding onto the Xbox).
Frustrating I know, but hopefully it’ll just be a case of playing a waiting game : )
All the best!
Absolutely fabulous video well done and thank you so much. Mav
Thank you very much sir! Really glad you enjoyed it. My pleasure as always!
I hope you're keeping well. All the best : )
Fantastic full review of the Bae 146 Professional (had just rewatched your beta test of this) one for the hanger but after hearing the PMDG 737 700 has a tentative release date for late this week or next weekend this one will have to stay a buy in the future. lol But one definitely for the future. Artful (Rob)
Cheers Rob, glad you enjoyed both vids!
Haha, so did you end up going with the 737 in the end then? The 146 is definitely worth keeping an eye on anyway, a really fun jet overall (it would be a great pickup on sale for sure!).
All the best : )
@@IntotheBlueSimulations Yes I bought the PMDG 737/700 to keep me occupied for the time being but will get the Bae 146 in the future but probably not before the Indiafoxtecho Panavia Tornado as I personally like my fast jets and runs around the mach loop which I learnt thanks to your videos :)
MSFS Professional suggests Air New Zealand is flying a variant of the BAE146. That is no longer correct.
A 146-300 was last flown by Mt Cook Airlines, a subsidiary to ANZ, from mid 2001, going into storage about 20 months later and being eventually scrapped in 2007.
Professional standards do require accurate representations, else the credibility of other information may also be construed as questionable.
Nga mihi nui.
Hello Stephen,
Apologies, I don't quite follow; did I say something to suggest that during the video (I don't think I did), or is it someone else that you're referring to?
Greetings to you also! : )
@@IntotheBlueSimulations The video watched of an MSFS BAE 146 depicts an 300 variant in Air New Zealand livery. Plus, in a list of the different variants operated by airlines, Air NZ was among operators named to be flying the 300 variant. Given that it was used by ANZ almost two decades, is it appropriate - and correct - to be conveying an impression which is not factually correct that a particular airline operates this aircraft - which I personally happen to like?
I am enjoying the 146 at the moment but is anyone else pulling their hair out trying to work out what the bindings are for especially the autopilot modes? Want to bind up for instance ALT ARM and cant find anything that works
Hi Chris,
I'm afraid I'm not too clued up on that myself. I know autopilot Sync is "Toggle Afterburner" if that's of any use to you, but otherwise it's not an area I've really looked into much myself.
I hope you've been having some luck with it! All the best : )
@@IntotheBlueSimulations yes I was aware of the afterburner which is a shame as it woukd really have been a mini chubby concorde if they where operational!
I think with custom code used yiu might need fsuip or such to interact with it which I have managed to avoid using for years. Its not so bad in VR though as it doesnt feel too unrwalistic using mouse to press some buttons instead
When does it come available on series X?
Hi Shane,
I gather Just Flight are pretty keen to release their whole lineup onto the Xbox, but they (like many other developers) are waiting on Asobo / Microsoft to sort out the WASM coding issues that have hamstrung the console. So it’s difficult to give a timeline, but once the issue has been fixed up, you should see the 146 and many other addons finally making their way over to the console.
Cheers and all the best! : )
Do you have photogrammetry disabled?
Hi Holobolo,
Sometimes I do, sometimes I don't. I did have it disabled for this video, as my FPS in central London wasn't spectacular and I figured with it being a high alt flight, photogrammetry wasn't going to be of much benefit overall.
All the best! : )
Thank you for the review. How do you see this compare to the CRJ?
Hi Mystic,
Thanks very much, my pleasure!
Apologies for the slow reply: Generally speaking I would say that the 146 is a significantly better offering. Not to say that the CRJ is bad, I very much enjoy it myself, but the 146 has quite bit more depth to it overall. Systems-wise the 146 is the significantly better product (more depth) and the same is true regarding sounds and features. Modelling and texturing quality is broadly the same on both addons, though the 146's external model is quite a bit better. The flight model of the 146 is also better than the CRJ's, though the two aren't worlds apart. If I had to choose between the two, it would very much be the 146 for me personally (again, that's not to say that the CRJ is bad though).
I hope that helps a little! All the best : )
@@IntotheBlueSimulations It actually helps thank you. I already own the CRJ (both packages) and it is the main plane i have been flying since its release. I enjoy it a lot. So if you're telling me that the 146 is better, I will definitely go for this....once it is available on the MSFS market though.
Ah great! Well, it’s only my opinion of course, but that’s my take on it anyway. Just worth mentioning with the 146; obviously the automation is pretty basic as compared with the CRJ and certainly the FMC is (for now). Otherwise though, it’s a stellar little jet!
Cheers : )
I have heard all this before on various reviews which look great until you buy it and find it's full of bugs, I doubt if this will be diferent
Hi Phil,
Well I am as honest as I can be during my reviews and detail the bugs as and when I find them; that's not to say that more don't exist, simply that I haven't come across them in the time that I have been using the product. The 146 isn't perfect, but I think it's a nice offering overall.
All the best
@@IntotheBlueSimulations I would consider it but ooh I dont know!
Will this come to the in game store?
Ye within the next month we expect.
Hi Shane,
It seems you have your answer already from Just Flight there : )
Hope you enjoy the 146 when the time comes. All the best!
man you’re amazing! if you don’t mind me asking which aircraft do you fly in real life?
Haha, thanks very much Abdulmannan - very much appreciated!
I'm on the Airbus in the real-world; I've flown a number of members of the family over the years : )
Cheers and all the best!
clear and concice, thank you
Thanks Ryan! My pleasure - I’m glad you found it useful : )
All the best!
I already bought this on release day and first time I have to disagree with some of your negatives. For me, external and internal sounds are awesome, together with Hawk best in the sim so far, at least for jets. Also exterior visuals, few low res places here and there but generally looks good. Maybe differs livery to livery, I haven't tried them all. Cockpit is awesome. I agree better customs FMS would be good, but it's not that much of a problem for me. Not sure if flight model is study level or not, but definitely feels unique. Also this is one of the very few aircraft I fail to find any major bug or issue on release, quite rare sight these days. Yeah I maybe sound like JustFlight fanboy, but so far they always delivered great product and still working on improvements (custom FMS is one of the planned things).
Hi Tomas,
Haha, well I don't think we are all that far apart then by the sounds of it? I'm a big Just Flight fan as well, but objectively speaking, I think they've done a great job with the little 146!
Internal sounds are absolutely top notch (I think I said as much in the review); very immersive, but then they should be, as they were indeed recorded from a real 146. I wasn't so impressed by the external sounds personally, as I just felt they lacked a bit of "roar" and overall volume / depth (for me the Hawk has the best external jet sounds in the sim and I didn't feel that the 146 was on a par).
I think I said the same as you regarding the external visuals as well haha. They are generally very good, one or two areas with lower resolution and the texturing isn't the very best that I have seen, but I meant that literally, it might not be *the very best*, but it is still very good overall.
My flight model assessment was made based on two factors: 1) How I expect the aircraft might fly in the real world (an educated guess on my part) and 2) how the MSFS version compares with the X-Plane version. I would be surprised if the aircraft is quite as twitchy in pitch in reality and it doesn't display this behavior in X-Plane. I find that the jet flies a bit more nicely in X-Plane and Just Flight themselves have said that there are still some limitations within the MSFS flight model that they had to work around.
Your bug point (or lack thereof) is a very valid one and something I didn't consider myself. I had thought the cabin on the 300 was an omission, but that was an error on my part. I was surprised by the state of the FMC (but that was perhaps just a case of expectation management) and the Navigraph issue was a genuine bug (not a major issue of course, but it coloured my opinion a little at the time perhaps).
Again, I do think the 146 is a great offering! A really fun little jet to operate; Just Flight have done it justice and priced it fairly. Anyway, in case there was any doubt (I'm not always as articulate as I would like to be), I have updated the title accordingly haha.
Thanks as always! All the best : )
Thank you once again for a very nice review.
Have to say that it does look a little rushed, i know JF said it wasn't but hey.
A few real missed ones for me are the map on the EFB now showing the route from the fmc, so you just have to hope the routing is right and isn't throwing some weird aproach like it sometimes does. And secondly, when you rotated, unless i missed it, there wasn't even an inch of wingflex. Even though i wouldn't see it in cockpit view, it is a big ol immersionbreaker.
Other then that it does look, and sound absolutely amazing and would be an instant buy if it wasn't for 2 other comming out in close proximity. Going to be a hard choice to pick one.
The MSFS VFR map can be used to track your flight plan, and we struggled to detect any noticable wing flex when studying the real aircraft, although we appreciate how much the community enjoys it.
@@CambsPilot Thanks, i try to not use the VFR map as it is a bit intrusive.
I just checked some irl and will stand truly corrected, those things really have like no flex, quite surprising. But very happy to cross out a (self imposed) negative.
If there is any possibility of having the route imposed on the EFB map, I know a lot of people would probably enjoy it. Using the sim's VFR map just kills the immersion a little bit I tend to find. . .
All the best : )
My pleasure sir!
The map idea is definitely a good one - a nice "half way" option for those who aren't entirely comfortable with navigating via the HSI and a good way of one seeing if there are any MSFS route "peculiarities" in the FMC.
I had actually thought that the lack of wing flex was probably as a result of my recording technique, but that isn't in fact the case. Seems that "issue" has been clarified now anyway (I'm not surprised those stubby little wings don't move much haha).
The 146 is a great little jet overall and the sounds really are top notch (recorded from the real aircraft no less!).
Which aircraft did you decide to go for in the end then - or are you still having a tough time picking one? XD
Cheers! : )
@@IntotheBlueSimulations Thanks for the reply. I ended up with the 146. Got her last friday. Thought the MD-80 was a bit clunky in having to place simbrief logs in folders and the textures and sound being a bit poor for the price. And when PMDG remained silent on the 737 and JF send me custom FM tweaks for the Arrow as i had some issues i knew where I wanted to send my money.
Was plagued by some CTD on final at some european airports that i thought was 146 related but after 3 hours of testing in traced it to WU5 and fixed it.
She flies very nice, the -100 is a real rocketship.
And the WT fmc works great, very easy to use, same for swapping to Nav and capturing the ILS.
Very happy i got her.
Thx Captain !
My pleasure as always Ronnie! Thanks for watching, I hope it was useful : )
All the best!
Thank you again for an excellent review. I was looking forward to this and it is definitely on my wish list. It is a pity that it seems to have been pushed out a little too quickly with some items like the FMC not in their final state. I will be getting this once I see some of the minor issues fixed as this is an aircraft I want to fly in the sim. I am waiting with great anticipation for your reviews of the Maddog and PMDG 737.
To clarify, there was nothing included at release that wasn't finished or in it's final state, although inevitably we'll be releasing fixes for any issues found since release and will like always look at adding new features.
@@CambsPilot Thank you for the clarification. I misunderstood the situation with the FMC. Apologies.
My pleasure Peter! Sorry for the slow reply - things have been a bit hectic of late haven't they XD
A few errors on my part during this review (unintentional of course): All variants of the aircraft do include a virtual cabin - unbeknownst to me, a toggle option had been added to the tablet (presumably to help save some fps). Perhaps slightly inarticulate on my part, but the FMC is "finished", it just offers much more limited functionality than I was expecting (I was expecting something more in-line with the X-Plane version of the aircraft).
So whilst there are still a few improvements I would like to see, as CP points out, the 146 is "complete". It's a great, fun little jet overall - I'm looking forward to flying it again when I get the chance (though it sounds like Fenix is perhaps not going to give me that chance any time soon haha).
Thanks as always! All the best : )
Great video mate. What do you fly irl?
Thanks very much Matt, glad you enjoyed it!
I'm on the Airbus in the real world; I've flown a number of different members of the Airbus family over the years : )
Cheers and all the best!
Great review. Does Vnav work yet?
The real aircraft isn't equipped with VNAV (despite them including that button) so neither does ours.
Ah, well I guess you have your answer then MS - manual profiles all the way it seems! ; )
Cheers! : )
Haha. If you press the VNAV button on the real jet, does it force the FO to crunch the numbers for you then XD
love the plane- but the FMC is a real bummer.....( imho )
every thing else perfection
Hello Cameron,
Just Flight are actually working on a more accurate FMC for the addon. The work has taken a fair well longer than I think most of us were expecting, but the 146 should get a higher fidelity FMC in the not-too-distant future - something more befitting of the otherwise excellent aircraft.
I hope that clarifies things a little. All the best! : )
@@IntotheBlueSimulations appreciated- and many thanks
My pleasure! : )
I hope thres a good manual 6:02 as there's lots of buttons to sort. I see headache tabs in my near future, I hope. Nice video, as always. I downloaded it. Lol, not joking 👍 😆 🤣 😂 ❤
Haha, thanks very much Conleth. I’m glad you found the video useful and I do hope the headache tablets weren’t necessary XD
Happy flying and all the best! : )
You should know by now that I'm a big fan of all your videos & always have never seen a bad one. Thank you for your lovely comments.
Please help can someone help me I just purchased a Samsung Q 60 B television with built-in Xbox I joined Microsoft I’m using the simulator the only problem when I use mycontrol to go right with the plane the plane goes left if l go left with the plane the plane goes right please help what am I doing wrong this is very annoying thank you
Hi Ronald,
That rather sounds like you simply have your control bindings back-to-front. Find which axis / buttons you have assigned to “ailerons” and then either invert the axis, or assign the buttons the other way around (via the controls menu).
I hope that helps. Happy flying! : )
Class video as always something i spotted was no wing flex or i am not seeing it haha
Thanks Tom, glad you enjoyed it!
I must admit, I didn't get a chance to look for wing flex myself during the flight, but I wouldn't pay too much attention to any of the wing shots / external scenes; unfortunately the recording tool that I use for replays tends to "corrupt" some animations (ie the brakes are on 100% of the time haha) and so it may be that there is wing flex, but that it just doesn't show up during the replay.
Sorry that isn't a very concrete answer. If you're really on the fence about picking up the 146 and that happens to be a deal-breaker, let me know and I'll check things out for you.
Cheers and all the best! : )
@@IntotheBlueSimulations hey no need to say sorry your videos are so brilliant and really helpful to so many people so its all good 🙂
Now that´s a good, useful review. Thanks and I can´t wait for your review of the MD80. I heard it feels ¨heavy¨ on the controls, unlike most other planes in the sim. Would be great if you could verify it.
Thanks very much David, I'm glad you found it useful!
I hope you enjoyed the MD80 review as well in the end - she is indeed a heavy old gal haha XD
All the best! : )
Hi Where can I buy this plane?
Hello Alex,
The 146 can be purchased directly from Just Flight, as well as also being available through the in-sim Marketplace, the Simmarket website etc.
I hope that helps. All the best! : )
@@IntotheBlueSimulations Brilliant. Thanks very much :)
You’re most welcome Alex! : )
Love the video… miss cockpit voice effect
Haha, thanks very much Joe!
I tend only to use the voice effect outside of review videos. A lot of people didn't like it when I used the effect during reviews, as they felt it was harder to understand the information I was giving (we actually had a poll on it haha) - fair enough of course. So I tend now to only use the effect for flight-only videos and generally only the GA ones (as again that was the most popular consensus according to the poll).
Cheers and all the best! : )