Mighty late comment, but you deserve a big thank you for this one. I bought this 146 when it first released but it has languished in the hanger all this time, displaced by other attention magnets. However a lot of hours in the excellent F28 rejuvenated curiosity for the BAE, Just Flight's original pro release, and as always your videos serve as great supplements to the manual. If not substitutions for those who'd like to put off that chore!
I just wanted to tell you how much I enjoy your videos. I purchased the BAE-146 because of your "first look" and "beginner's guide" videos, on it and I couldn't be happier with my purchase. I, too, started out 8-bit PCs before moving on to Atari computers (the original 800 with 48k and a cassette player, before getting a massive and expensive floppy drive), a Tandy 286, and later a 386 laptop with a screen that displayed (gasp!) 64 shades of gray. I still remember buying 16 megs of used RAM for $400 in 1993. Anyway, I hope you keep making more videos!
Thanks for your explanation! I just bought this a couple of weeks ago. This makes stuff like cruising a lot easier (I always turned on sync mode and made minor thrust adjustments during climb and cruise, saw that in the JF tutorial videos)
The tutorial I've been waiting for. Thanks for the lucid and detailed explanation. The BAe 146 is rising quickly to the top of my favorites of all time. Modern enough to be manageable, yet vintage enough to keep me engaged from take-off to touchdown.
i just bought that aeroplane today, looked for some turtorials just, just found your, very well explaned, befor watching your turtorial i been loking for autothrotlle switch, now i know where it is :)
yep - there are some strange corners to the TMS functionality. Yesterday I had TO mode cancel while rotating - crashed the aircraft as a result (not enough runway left to stop). Very odd.
@@jonbeckett Jonathan, thank you for shedding some light on this odd device. MSFS has a big problem with its drag behavior at cruise - you are either speeding up into overspeed territory or slowing down too much. One important thing however - as you mentioned, in certain regimes (at lower altitudes), you can set a TGT which gives a pretty stable airspeed, but at high altitude, the TGT dial will not go lower than 600 degrees, whereas you need something like 500. Is there a way around that?
Excellent tutorial Jonathan - I read the manual through a few times and got the gist of what was happening with the TMS but this video brings it all together.
Great video, thanks for the clear explanations! Just a small detail you would perhaps want to know: An assumed (flex) temperature takeoff doesn’t de-rate the engines - in other words, if you suddenly want TOGA thrust, the engine will give you the maximum certified thrust of that engine. On the other hand, in a de-rated takeoff, if you suddenly want TOGA thrust, the engine will only give you the maximum de-rated thrust that you have selected. This type of takeoff is usually done for minimum control speed (v-mc) considerations which among other things allow you to reduce V1. Anyways, thanks again for you walkthrough of the system.
yep - i didn't explain it well at all. I actually recorded a much better description, but after two people came to the door in a row, I gave up and started again - and of course it wasn't as good the second time around. You would be surprised to learn how many times that happens.
Nicely explained, cleared up a good few head scratches. Now all I need to do is learn how to put the good information to use, still struggling with getting the beast to climb and descend, but that's my ineptitude. Great Video, thanks for your time.
Thank you for a great guide, i'm new to these hyper realistic planes and i'm slowly but surely learning alot of new interesting stuff thanks to people like you :)
Something to note: 146 pilots rarely use MCT for climb. With a reasonable flex temp, MCT will command higher engine speeds than takeoff! The 146 has so much extra performance on tap, usually pilots will set climb power using N1 SYNC. The rule of thumb I follow in the sim is 88% N1 at sea level to 5,000ft, then add 1% N1 for each 5,000ft (10kft = 89%, 15kft = 90% etc)
I'm pretty sure there are some bugs lurking in the TMS in the sim - I'm sure they will get ironed out though. I had the TMS cut the engines near the end of the takeoff roll yesterday - without enough runway left to abort... very, very odd. I went back through everything I did, and it made no sense.
makes a tutorial showing how the reduction is in RNAV, how we reduce and maintain the right power and the correct use of the flaps, because when I give flaps, sometimes I have difficulty making the aircraft descend.
Hi. Your video has been very useful. It all makes sense and has saved me quite some time in researchng it for myself. I'll put the info to good use when flying the 146 on my channel. Thanks! ~Rm😀
Thank you so much! Very good tutorial, incredibly helpful. Easy to follow, well explained, even the short recap at the end. One question: of all the airliners in MSFS which one do you enjoy flying the most (out of the study level ones…). I only bought this module as I flew a few times Mount Isa - Brisbane in the Ansett version in the 90s. And time and money are limited…
So far, I think the DC-6 is the most interesting, the MD-82 is the most complete, and the 146 is the most polished. Everybody is waiting for the 737 though :)
Super helpful - thank you! Love this jet, but I have the worst problem with pitch oscillation. I find it nearly impossible to land or even trim for level flight. Something is always fighting me. Thanks for any help!
3rd round, I hope it won't become a boxing match in 12 rounds :) Slowly learning this feature, it will assist me in managing the thrust. Wonder if there's any other aircraft using the same hardware ?
@@jonbeckett Fun to fly ! She’s pretty to look at too, sounds great ! The only thing which doesn’t feel right, is the FMS. I’d love to see UNS-1 or what ever was fitted originally. Maybe one there will be an update from Just Flight :)
Thanks for the great video but I have one question. You say that in descent mode, the engines try to be at 60% N1, or depending on the anti ice setting for example, but when you press the button, the engines don't go to 60% in your video. That's what I don't understand.
I have issue. Often it tells me a thrust of say 84.5 ... and when I set that using the throttles the blue arrows are still showing I need more and then it levels at 92. Basically my TMS appears to be broken.
Did you ever do a Thrustmaster TCA Throttle set up video for the BAe 146? I have to put it into reverse (physically) to obtain the full range of forward thrust. Any advice please? :)
I've subscribed because of this video. Anyone who can explain something like you just did deserves a follow. Excellent job.
Hah - thankyou. I kept the hell away from the TMS system for a long time, and then one day thought "oh hell", and read the damn book lol
LOL .. same! Sub b/c of video... great job!
True !
Mighty late comment, but you deserve a big thank you for this one. I bought this 146 when it first released but it has languished in the hanger all this time, displaced by other attention magnets. However a lot of hours in the excellent F28 rejuvenated curiosity for the BAE, Just Flight's original pro release, and as always your videos serve as great supplements to the manual. If not substitutions for those who'd like to put off that chore!
I just wanted to tell you how much I enjoy your videos. I purchased the BAE-146 because of your "first look" and "beginner's guide" videos, on it and I couldn't be happier with my purchase. I, too, started out 8-bit PCs before moving on to Atari computers (the original 800 with 48k and a cassette player, before getting a massive and expensive floppy drive), a Tandy 286, and later a 386 laptop with a screen that displayed (gasp!) 64 shades of gray. I still remember buying 16 megs of used RAM for $400 in 1993. Anyway, I hope you keep making more videos!
Thankyou!
Thanks for your explanation! I just bought this a couple of weeks ago. This makes stuff like cruising a lot easier (I always turned on sync mode and made minor thrust adjustments during climb and cruise, saw that in the JF tutorial videos)
Thank you! You've explained this in a much clearer way than any other video I've watched on the 146!
Cheers :)
After a dodgy flight last night I accepted defeat and needed to work out how this machine works. Fantastic video, thanks for the help.
Glad it helped!
I'm loving the 146 and thats because your tutorials are excellent. Thanks Jonathan and all the best LeSeur
Glad you like them!
Thank you- took me much longer than it should have....
The tutorial I've been waiting for. Thanks for the lucid and detailed explanation. The BAe 146 is rising quickly to the top of my favorites of all time. Modern enough to be manageable, yet vintage enough to keep me engaged from take-off to touchdown.
Glad it was helpful!
Just got this for the Xbox and this video explained the TMS clearly and in full. Thanks so much
You're welcome :)
You really did a deep and clear explanation of the TMS system. Thanks a lot
You're welcome :)
i just bought that aeroplane today, looked for some turtorials just, just found your, very well explaned,
befor watching your turtorial i been loking for autothrotlle switch, now i know where it is :)
Well... strictly speaking it's not an auto-throttle, but thanks for the comment anyway :) Much appreciated.
Thanks for this tutorial. Note that in DESC mode the target percentage is N2 and not N1 as is the case with TO mode.
yep - there are some strange corners to the TMS functionality. Yesterday I had TO mode cancel while rotating - crashed the aircraft as a result (not enough runway left to stop). Very odd.
@@jonbeckett Jonathan, thank you for shedding some light on this odd device. MSFS has a big problem with its drag behavior at cruise - you are either speeding up into overspeed territory or slowing down too much. One important thing however - as you mentioned, in certain regimes (at lower altitudes), you can set a TGT which gives a pretty stable airspeed, but at high altitude, the TGT dial will not go lower than 600 degrees, whereas you need something like 500. Is there a way around that?
Thx Jon, refresher course :) I'm relearning and flying all the airlines, 146 is the next one
My friend, you are the man! Thank you for all of the videos of this aircraft! I really enjoy this plane!
Excellent tutorial Jonathan - I read the manual through a few times and got the gist of what was happening with the TMS but this video brings it all together.
Glad it helped!
Great video, thanks for the clear explanations!
Just a small detail you would perhaps want to know: An assumed (flex) temperature takeoff doesn’t de-rate the engines - in other words, if you suddenly want TOGA thrust, the engine will give you the maximum certified thrust of that engine.
On the other hand, in a de-rated takeoff, if you suddenly want TOGA thrust, the engine will only give you the maximum de-rated thrust that you have selected. This type of takeoff is usually done for minimum control speed (v-mc) considerations which among other things allow you to reduce V1.
Anyways, thanks again for you walkthrough of the system.
yep - i didn't explain it well at all. I actually recorded a much better description, but after two people came to the door in a row, I gave up and started again - and of course it wasn't as good the second time around. You would be surprised to learn how many times that happens.
Thanks a million. These tutorials and the checklist docs are an amazing resource
Glad you like them!
Nicely explained, cleared up a good few head scratches. Now all I need to do is learn how to put the good information to use, still struggling with getting the beast to climb and descend, but that's my ineptitude. Great Video, thanks for your time.
You're welcome! :)
Thank you so much! I learned now how to use TMS properly thanks to your guide.
You're welcome :)
What an explanation! lots of "Aha!" moments watching this lol. Keep it up man, earned a sub!!!!
Thank you :)
Really great video. Clearly and thoroughly explained. Great series.
Much appreciated!
Thanks very much, i just wouldn't have figured that out, very well explained.
You're welcome :)
Thank you so much for this tutorial! Cheers and regards from Bavaria
You're welcome :)
Thx for the detailed introduction of the TMS. Now it all clears up things :)
I will admit - I kept well away from it for the first week :)
That sir was a great education. Thank you for the time, and detail.
and, bless you! 😊
You are very welcome
2nd watch, enjoyed it so much ! After getting some experince with BAe146, need review and learn it properly. Thx Jon for sharing :)
Glad you enjoyed it!
Brilliant video, I feel like I understand the system now
Cheers :)
Great video Jonathan, that helps a lot on my 146 journey!
Glad to help!
Great instructor!!! thanks for the video, much appreciated
Glad it was helpful!
I'm slowly trying to like this a/c. These vids are helping.
Awesome.. Thanks for this, really helping me getting to grips with the 146.
Glad to help
Thank you very much 👍
You are very welcome
Well explained Jon ! It makes sense, but I will come back to this tutorial later, for sure :)
Invaluable video sir. Thank you.
Many thumbs up. Great tutorial, thank you.
Glad it was helpful!
Very clearing explication thank you so much!!!
You're welcome :)
Thank you for a great guide, i'm new to these hyper realistic planes and i'm slowly but surely learning alot of new interesting stuff thanks to people like you :)
I've subscribed because of this video. Anyone who can explain something like you just did deserves a follow. Excellent job. (2) kkk
Superb video. I hope you make more videos on this beautiful marvel of british engineering! Rule Britannia!
Thank you, very well explained
You are welcome!
Thanks so much, great explanation
Glad it was helpful!
Another great video and thorough explanation of how things work +1
Much appreciated!
Excellent explanation. Thank you!
You're welcome :)
Something to note: 146 pilots rarely use MCT for climb. With a reasonable flex temp, MCT will command higher engine speeds than takeoff! The 146 has so much extra performance on tap, usually pilots will set climb power using N1 SYNC. The rule of thumb I follow in the sim is 88% N1 at sea level to 5,000ft, then add 1% N1 for each 5,000ft (10kft = 89%, 15kft = 90% etc)
I'm pretty sure there are some bugs lurking in the TMS in the sim - I'm sure they will get ironed out though. I had the TMS cut the engines near the end of the takeoff roll yesterday - without enough runway left to abort... very, very odd. I went back through everything I did, and it made no sense.
Thank you very much!!!! Clear as always
You're welcome :)
makes a tutorial showing how the reduction is in RNAV, how we reduce and maintain the right power and the correct use of the flaps, because when I give flaps, sometimes I have difficulty making the aircraft descend.
another very well done explanation video, glad I found your channel ! thank you :)
Awesome, thank you!
Great vid, thanks. I've so much to learn...😁😁
It's great fun :)
Great tutorial, I think I will buy this plane so I can learn to use an older plane, less automatic
I think it's great.
Wow incredible. Thank you
Glad you liked it!
Great videos Jonathan, thx! Could you maybe make a playlist for every plane, it is hard to find all your BAe vids at once. Thanks 🙏
Thanks for the idea!
Hi. Your video has been very useful. It all makes sense and has saved me quite some time in researchng it for myself. I'll put the info to good use when flying the 146 on my channel. Thanks! ~Rm😀
You're welcome!
Very helpful video!
Glad it was helpful!
Super useful, thanks 👍
Glad it was helpful!
Brushing up on my skills prior version 2 release this week
Thank you so much! Very good tutorial, incredibly helpful. Easy to follow, well explained, even the short recap at the end.
One question: of all the airliners in MSFS which one do you enjoy flying the most (out of the study level ones…). I only bought this module as I flew a few times Mount Isa - Brisbane in the Ansett version in the 90s. And time and money are limited…
So far, I think the DC-6 is the most interesting, the MD-82 is the most complete, and the 146 is the most polished. Everybody is waiting for the 737 though :)
@@jonbeckett And the Fenix A320 too :)
@@jonbeckett Monday for 737 😊
Very cool video, thanks muchos!
Glad you liked it!
Super helpful - thank you! Love this jet, but I have the worst problem with pitch oscillation. I find it nearly impossible to land or even trim for level flight. Something is always fighting me. Thanks for any help!
Maybe it's to do with your controller? Or sensitivity settings ?
とても参考になりました。
ありがとう
あなたは大歓迎です :)
SHOW ! nice man!
Thanks!
Thst has helped a lot
You're welcome :)
3rd round, I hope it won't become a boxing match in 12 rounds :) Slowly learning this feature, it will assist me in managing the thrust. Wonder if there's any other aircraft using the same hardware ?
I don't know... the BAe 146 is quite unique, isn't it :)
@@jonbeckett Fun to fly ! She’s pretty to look at too, sounds great ! The only thing which doesn’t feel right, is the FMS. I’d love to see UNS-1 or what ever was fitted originally. Maybe one there will be an update from Just Flight :)
Thanks for the great video but I have one question. You say that in descent mode, the engines try to be at 60% N1, or depending on the anti ice setting for example, but when you press the button, the engines don't go to 60% in your video. That's what I don't understand.
Great point! I think the key there is *try*.
@@jonbeckett I've made a test flight and the TMS is not even trying to come anywhere near 60%.
I think I have to look it up in the manuals or so
I have issue.
Often it tells me a thrust of say 84.5 ... and when I set that using the throttles the blue arrows are still showing I need more and then it levels at 92.
Basically my TMS appears to be broken.
It's not broken - it's just doing what it can depending on the mode you have it in, and the position of your throttle levers.
Thank you for your effort to explain things to the lazy dudes who don't want to RTFM... like me LoL..
Did you ever do a Thrustmaster TCA Throttle set up video for the BAe 146? I have to put it into reverse (physically) to obtain the full range of forward thrust. Any advice please? :)
I don't think I have - if you're not getting full range, you're using the wrong axis - try the 0-100 axis.
@@jonbeckett Thanks Jonathan I’ll try that.
What a fantastic explanation, thank you ! Have a like and a subscribe, plus a comment to feed the algorithm !
Much appreciated!
Wow it’s complex isn’t it
Just a bit - but once you get your head around it, it's a useful tool to fly the aircraft efficiently.
It’s CELSIUS NOT CENTIGRADE. /FFS