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A Brilliant Little Regional Jet! | Just Flight F28 Professional | Full Flight Preview | MSFS
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In this video, we take a preview look at the Just Flight F28 Professional for Microsoft Flight Simulator (MSFS).
We'll be putting the aircraft through its paces on a run from Kalgoorlie (YPKG), over to Perth (YPPH).
The version of the aircraft we will be looking at in this video is still a pre-release version and as such, may not fully represent the final version of the aircraft.
Please note this video and all its contents / materials, is for entertainment / simulation purposes only.
PC Specs
ASUS Z790
Intel Core i9 13900K 5.8GHz
NVIDIA GeForce RTX 4090
64GB DDR4 2666MHz
Hardware
Thrustmaster HOTAS Warthog
Saitek Pro Flight rudder pedals
HP Reverb WMR headset
TrackIR5
Earthquake Shell Shoxx transducer
Enjoy the flight!
This has to be one of the best soundsets I've ever heard. It actually sounds like a regional jet, and the cockpit is one of the best weathering texture jobs I've ever seen. Been waiting a long time, and I'm very very excited for release this week.
I very much agree Jake! I do hope you’re enjoying the F28 then. Happy flying and all the best! : )
I love the steam gauge luck. It’s such a throwback and it’s nice to get away from the glass cockpits.
100%. Can’t wait.
Agreed!
Same here, Descent! These old school jets make for a really nice change of pace, have a tonne of character and make for a nice challenge also : )
Cheers, all the best!
I fly exclusively steam gauges.
This will be one one of my favourite MSFS and one of my all time faves! Nicely replacing the Coolsky DC-9 for now as a fun 1st generation jet. Lots of workload with the VOR nav. Good times
as an Aussie, that Ansett livery takes me way back
You always do such a nice job reviewing and flying all of the different aircraft. Definitely my go to channel for airplane flights, reviews, and honest opinions on the planes as well as improvement mods. Well done! Cheers
Thank you very much Dennis, very kind of you to say! I’m really glad you’re finding the content useful / informative.
Cheers for watching, much appreciated and all the best! : )
Out of all the preview videos I’ve watched, you were the MOST prepared for the flight. Great job!
Well, thanks very much, Nerdbark! I try to do my homework ahead of any preview / review 1) because it makes demonstrating / assessing the product that much easier and 2) because I enjoy it haha.
I’m really glad you felt my efforts paid off! Thanks very much for watching and all the best : )
Good job JF, this looks ace, sounds are amazing and the quality of the model is looking good. Can't wait for the updated Avro RJ to come out! I believe it's next.
Loved your video mate, took me to years ago we used to fly Iran Aseman Airlines / F28 -1000 and 4000 ,beautiful engine sound ,great rate of climb and fantastic for short runways operation. Good old days. Reminded me lot of good memories, thank you.
Thanks very much Arash! I’m really glad that you enjoyed the video and that it brought back some good memories.
My absolute pleasure and all the best to you : )
Only found this video now and bloody hell does it look good. I definitely wasn’t searching for videos specifically based on the Ansett livery ;) also was a bit of a shock seeing kalgoorlie, a place ive spent a decent amount of time in.
The sounds on this module sound bloody awesome, especially in the back. Gave me PTSD of having to fly in one of these from Curtin (derby) to Perth. Longest flight of my LIFE. I definitely suggest flying to YBRM, the colours are so vibrant and its absolutely gorgeous. Orbx does a scenery for it as far as i know. Not certain as im on XP12.
Smooth lil plane, can't wait to fly this one as well!
Beautiful job by Just Flight! Thanks for giving us a great preview Capt. Would like to see the night lighting in the cockpit.
Thanks very much, Cade! The F28 is indeed another excellent effort by Just Flight. Apologies for the lack of a night lighting demonstration, I don’t know why, but that one always escapes my attention haha.
Cheers! : )
So pumped for this to come out!
Love the walkaround intro. Great review as always!
Thanks very much US, really glad you enjoyed the walkaround / video! Much appreciated, all the best : )
Another great one! Thanks for the preview!
Thanks very much SP, I’m glad you enjoyed it! My absolute pleasure on the video. Thanks for watching and all the best : )
As a kid who watched f28s landing in Carnarvon in the 70s the one thing I noticed was that they used to always land with the rear clamshell speed brakes open throughout the landing.
Indeed David; going off the product manual, it seems that was SOP for the landing.
I’m glad the video brought back some (presumably) fond memories. Cheers and all the best! : )
You can’t believe how excited I am.. this will be perfect!
Haha, well I very much hope you enjoy the F28 when the time comes then, Jannik! Just Flight have already fixed up most of the issues I covered here, so the Fokker is shaping up very nicely overall : )
Happy flying and all the best!
Excellent video and setup! Really showcases the plane.
Thanks very much EKM, glad you thought so! Much appreciated and all the best to you : )
I wish Just Flight would resolve the missing copilot in VR, still not fixed for the 146 either
Another great vid! Hello from Perth, Western Australia 😊
Thank you very much Timothy, very kind of you to say! “G’day” to you then and I’m really glad you enjoyed a spot of virtual Perth : )
Cheers and all the best!
As a dutchie myself i cannot wait for this beauty 😍😍😍 hopefully the marketplace release follows quickly 😊
As a dutchman i will always love Fokker. It will never be forgotten l. That its now in the flight simulator really helps with that.
Very nice indeed. Just Flight have been at the top of their game from day one with MSFS. I hope their Avro Vulcan isn't too far away now.
Indeed Paul, Just Flight haven’t really put a foot wrong in the sim to date. I’m very much looking forward to the Vulcan also, so let’s hope the wait isn’t too long!
Thanks as always : )
Excellent preview ! Wednesday can't come soon enough :)
Thanks very much Ronnie! I’m glad you enjoyed the video, I do hope you’re enjoying the F28 also : )
Happy flying, sir!
Very nice indeed, gonna enjoy this one. Very well done.
Yeah, the F28 is a little cracker, CP and I know the console isn’t so starved for addons these days haha, but the Fokker will still be a great option on both platforms. Can’t wait to see the final version : )
Cheers!
@@IntotheBlueSimulations I really like the old style instruments, the 146 is quality.
Just Flight‘s philosophy of making excellent renditions of the cutest airliners is something I can definitely get behind
Haha! Me too, AN, me too : )
Cheers, all the best!
Thank you for this in-depth tutorial.
My absolute pleasure, Luarvik! I’m really glad you enjoyed the video / found it useful : )
Thanks very much and all the best to you!
Never seen an F28 that damn clean. Used to have to load fish in them before I got my A&P. Love and hate the damn things. Total ear busters.
Excellent showcase of this fine product from Just Flight. Appreciate your good work in producing this video. Steam gauges are my personal preference, and nice to see this well represented here. Oops though, I did notice there were no engine animations, fins were static on engine start !. I Hope Just Flight fix this and I am sure that in the weeks to come further improvements will be made. Just a wee niggle !!. Great product. Thank you.
Thanks very much ITMann! I’m really glad you enjoyed the video and the F28 is indeed a fine effort from Just Flight.
I suspect you may be aware at this point, but the engines are in fact animated correctly. The static fins at the front of the engine are stator vanes, ie they are designed to operate in fixed in position. I hope that clarifies things.
My pleasure on the video! Thanks very much once again and all the best : )
A hearty good afternoon from America! Thank-you so very much for another great demonstration of the new MSFS addon. This is Guerry, and as a new MSFS enthusiast, flying the F28 will of course be my first addon to purchase as I see no real reason to need further flight training once I’ve mastered landing the Cessna 152. I AM JOKING! Actually as of now, I am perfectly satisfied with flying general aviation aircraft, but in the future, the F28 is right down my alley when the time comes for me to advance into flying a jet airliner. By the way, I’m sorry to be late to the party. Not only do I view ITB videos for entertainment, but I actually study your posts in order to learn. Consequently, I do a lot of stopping and starting, and at times, I even take notes.
As you mentioned, the F28 is an old school type of aircraft. Not only am I impressed with it having the older cockpit layout, but also the exterior of the aircraft is for me is eye poppingly detailed as the commercial aircraft from the late 60’s were. For the first thing I noticed was the older ADF/DME antenna configuration. But that which was absolutely the most inspiring aspect of the aircraft is the lack of cockpit automation. Hand flying was the norm rather than reliance on computers handing many of the inflight operations. I happen to be one who loves hands on flying.
As a side note for those who fly in different parts of the world the subscription for obtaining flight charts is a bit superfluous. I have been able to locate worldwide flying charts and the various instrument landing plates for the world’s airports free online. For example, I quickly found the charts for Perth on this website: www.crc.id.au/xplane/charts/DAPS-2022-DEC-01/Perth%20(YPPH).pdf. Most certainly these charts are dated. But they have served me well for flying on the MSFS simulator. Furthermore, I prefer to print them and exclusively use my monitors for cockpit viewing.
One thing I would try with this type of aircraft that was not part of your review was to fill the cabin with passengers and fly through some heavy turbulence. Indeed, I think it would be some really fun animation to show white knuckled passengers hanging on for life (as if that helps), with overhead bins opening and dumping personal items into the aisle. Furthermore, let’s not forget all those spilled drinks that baptize those previously enjoying a before dinner aperitif. As one who has personally experienced real life episodes, I am easily identified as the passenger who shouts, “Do it again! Do it again!”
Again sir, thank-you so much for taking the time and effort to share this video with us. Please continue doing great work.
Hello Guerry,
Thanks very much once again for your thoughts. I’m really happy to hear that you continue to enjoy the content and find it to be of use. If you’ve been taking notes, you can straight to the top of the class! : P
The F28 is another very impressive effort from Just Flight and indeed, the old-school cockpit makes the jet very appealing to many (myself included). The aircraft makes for a very enjoyable and sometimes challenging experience.
Haha, you’ll have to have a word with Just Flight regarding passengers - nobody wanted to ride on my F28 (they should, the drinks were free! ; )
My absolute pleasure, as always! Happy flying and take care : )
Great exhibition, did not notice wing-flex.
It's subtle mate but look again from the wing view on take off 👍
Great plane, great review, great route - into my current home town. One note: it's not "Kalgoorlie's Boulder Airport" but "Kalgoorlie-Boulder Airport", as Kal and Boulder are twin cities next to one another. Licence plate prefix is KBC (c for Council, I believe).
Thanks very much Achim! My bad re KBA, hopefully it didn’t confuse any of the passengers : P
I’m glad you enjoyed the visit to virtual Perth. Cheers for watching and all the best! : )
Cockpit reminds me a bit of the DC-9. Nice switch from Boeing and Airbus.
Yeah, it’s definitely got that sort of feel to it, Wanderer. Makes sense I suppose, they are both rear-engines twinjets, from broadly the same era. I love this vintage of aircraft and whilst I’d really like a DC9, the Fokker ticks all of the same boxes for me + it was brilliant fun learning a new jet (this was the first chance I’ve had to experience an F28 in any sim). As you say, a nice change of pace from the “usual” haha.
Cheers! : )
Great stuff - waiting for to check the earlier F28-1000. Hope they add a few missing cockpit sound. APU start - electric pump. Air condition components are place under cockpit floor - there is a weak background pneumatic noise in in cockpit. Edit - watching other previews, the sound is brilliant. Guess the sound is more muted in this preview
Maybe it is only on the -1000 - leading edge is coated with a special matt grey paint that does not isolate the anti ice heat.
At TO power with brakes on - there should be a distinctive nose down attitude as the nose gear compress, and small shake in panel. Would add the feel of RR Spey power.
If I remember correct (sitting on jump seat) - pilots used the speed brake more active on descend and approach. There is a blow in mechanism that retracts (balance) speed brake at higher speed.
And finally literary LOL when you often used blue the pitch switch. As pilots did in real life.
It is guarded with a couple of lips - and you must imagine pilot finger constantly flicker the switch.
An d you guessed it - it is called the clit***s
Thank you Just Flight - long wait - and instant buy ---- Praying for the beautiful Braathens SAFE livery (launch customer)
Thanks very much Øystein!
Hmm, I’m not sure why the sounds would have come across as more muted in my video, I don’t recall having adjusted them in any way. Either way, the soundset is absolutely superb. The first time I listened to the F-28 I was impressed, but then when I finally listened to the aircraft with a proper set of headphones, I was blown away!
Thank you for that very “informative” anecdote re the pitch switch haha - that’s not one I’ll forget in a hurry XD
I do hope you’re enjoying the Fokker! Happy flying and all the best : )
Awesome review and flight, new sub.
Thank you very much Tony, I’m really glad you enjoyed the video! Much appreciated and welcome aboard : )
F28 You sayyy hmmmm not heard of that before and as usual did enjoy the content
Haha, well there are no longer any civil examples of the F28 flying, Mike, so the little jet is less well known these days, I suppose. The aircraft is another cracking effort from Just Flight though, so at least we can all still enjoy the Fokker in the sim.
I’m really glad you enjoyed the video. Many thanks as always! : )
Awesome job great video!
Thank you very much Aaronrazz, I’m really glad you enjoyed it! Cheers and all the best : )
Cheers ITB. Definite purchase for me. Love the 146 and own several JF products. Cannot really fault them.
My pleasure Mark! If you like the 146, I’ve no doubt you’re currently enjoying the F28 also haha. Another superb effort from Just Flight and as you say, fairly hard to fault overall (though I’ll always find something haha ; )
Happy flying and all the best! : )
@@IntotheBlueSimulations Tried it out first time this morning. Successful flight and managed to land on only one engine after accidentally shutting down engine two via the fire switch when I slipped on the mouse going for the nav 2 button :)
It’s another fab JF product indeed.
Haha! It can happen to the best of us, Mark XD
Damn ITB. How did I miss this? My all time favourite jet and in my backyard! I used to fly on these old girls a lot. They were so loud they would make the light diffusers in the ceiling vibrate. God Bless RR for making the spey. So many memories of these marvels. Which model did you use? MMA/Ansett had 1000's.
Many thanks to Just Flight for going out on a limb and making this. Not a magenta line in sight.
Haha! Well, likewise MB; somehow, I've only just come across this comment now. . .
I'm glad that the video was right up your alley! I was using the 4000 variant in the video (that's the one Just Flight gave the Ansett livery to).
The Spey is a particularly wonderful (AKA noisy) jet engine haha. I always loved the BAC-111 for the same reason (and probably damaged my hearing with David Maltby's recreation of the aircraft, in FS2004 XD ). Similarly, the Just Flight Fokker is a brilliant piece of design and as you say, it is really great to see some developers willing to go out on a limb and bring us these brilliant pieces of history!
Cheers! : )
Seems an interesting aircraft. Second aircraft type I ever flew in as a passenger (East West). I assume for Vatsim purposes it's non-rvsm and non-rnp capable.
It is indeed (an interesting aircraft), MA! Whilst strictly neither RVSM, or RNP capable, one could definitely “fudge” it (though I’m guessing that might be frowned upon on VATSIM haha); the F28 can follow a GNS530 routing pretty accurately and HGT HOLD should just about do the trick (I’m guessing altimeter error etc isn’t modelled). Strictly speaking though, the F28 probably shouldn’t be operating in such an environment.
I hope that helps a little. All the best! : )
Ohh great in to the blue testing f28👍🏻
Haha, why thank you sir! I do hope you enjoyed the flight : )
in the opening seconds of the video: "am i going mad or is that... Perth? it certainly _looks_ like Perth." *checks video description* "omg! it _is_ Perth." o_O
Haha! I’m guessing you’re a Perth man yourself then, Bernard. Top marks for your city recognition skills! ; )
Thanks for watching and all the best : )
My usual amazement is when I see a new flight video with a new complex addon (aircraft) and you go through the aircraft systems as if you've been operating it forever :) Impressive! How much time does it take to memorize all the sequences of all flight phases, systems, options etc.! I am probably too lazy to even get into the manuals of one of my fancy addons and make it mine.
Thanks you very much Karamich! Haha, I certainly try to do my homework ahead of time. It depends on the aircraft of course, but it usually takes me a couple of hours to get up to speed on the systems (whether that’s running through the process with the addon, or watching tutorials ahead of time). One of my favourite aspects of simming, has always been picking up a new product and figuring out the aircraft’s systems; the process is something I enjoy and it’s also a task I’ve gotten to be pretty proficient at. Once you understand the systems logic of one aircraft type, it tends to carry across to other aircraft of the same type (which certainly makes things a little easier). I think the Colimata Concorde (for X-Plane), was probably one of the addons that took me the longest to get up to speed with, as the systems / operating logic is quite different from most other aircraft.
Many thanks once again and all the best! : )
@@IntotheBlueSimulationsAwesome! I wish I could learn that fast :)
Thank you for the 3rd Test Ashes special.
Haha. My pleasure, Tom! May the best team win (though invariably, that seems to be Australia these days XD )!
Cheers : )
Looking like JF did a good job here too - their F28 audio ASMR video was a great preview! Mention of the FM being a little direct is concerning, given I thought they'd got past that by now - the 146 is also a bit direct at the moment although it still feels pretty weighty. I think possibly I'm just getting more sensitive to issues :S ( good for the budget, lol )
The FM on both aircraft have been developed with the help of real pilots and engineers of the type, something to bear in mind when considering feedback.
Martyn - Just Flight
@@CambsPilot The 146 feels more direct than when it first appeared, unless I'm just less tolerant ( which is a problem, have to admit ). I've also worked with pilots trying to sort feel issues, they're a mixed bunch :P very much have to direct most of them to areas of attention... if only there was a ready supply of test pilots!
The 146 is still a great aircraft, these are minor quibbles in a non-aerobatic a/c .
Well, I've flown it a bit - and it's nice and heavy in pitch, but the roll response is up there with bigger ( well done, not MSFS standard ) jet fighters. It *should* be better than the 146 or something like an E195 because there's no engines to add extra moment, but I can fly it around just nudging my stick to roll it, as if I was flying a helicopter. It does at least take noticeable time to get up to roll rate, which beats a lot of MSFS aircraft already. Edit: flown some approaches & the roll response is not good, it feels like I'm flying a different aircraft in roll than pitch, not coherent. The nosewheel steering sensitivity needs sorting badly too ( as ITB noted ) - some of that is also MSFS, which seems to max out nosegear steering angle at 50% rudder...
Otherwise another superb aircraft.
I'm fairly sure MSFS SDK is not providing proper guidance on defining control surfaces, especially ailerons. I've been constructing a new FM for a simple a/c from scratch without referring to any previous MSFS incarnations and it's definitely a battle and a lot of shouting at Asobo...
Indeed; overall, the F28 is another very nice effort from the Just Flight team!
I think your point re pilots, vs engineers, vs test pilots, is a very fair one and something I wholeheartedly agree with. Ask the average pilot about moments of inertia and he probably won’t have much to say. Ask the average engineer about “feel” and ditto. Test pilots are a rare breed (for good reason) and I’m sure are hard to come by for these sorts of projects, but are probably what’s needed to create a wholly accurate flight model within a sim. As I’m always keen to point out during my reviews, I can only make a “best guess” when judging most flight models and I’m certainly not as “particular” about aircraft behaviour as some (cough cough ; ), but usually one can gauge (at least to some degree) when an aircraft “feels” right and whilst excellent overall, for me, the F28 does deviate on a few points there.
Cheers for the feedback! All the best : )
First, I mean no disrespect to other content providers, many hit a few switches etc and get the aircraft in the air and have a fun flight. YOUR videos are "study level" and if you want to learn how to really fly this aircraft and most others, watch the video a couple times in slow motion and you will know what the switches/knobs do and where they are.
All the time you invest in the videos are worth every second to us and thank you Captain ! !! !!!
Well, thank you very much for the kind words, Mark! Every creator has their own strengths; I’m certainly not the most entertaining of TH-camrs (not for the average viewer anyway), so I try to at least be one of the most thorough haha. In fairness, going through the checklist and learning a new aircraft, is one of the things I most enjoy about simming. So doing my homework ahead of recording, is rarely a burden ; )
Indeed, these sorts of videos do take some time to put together though, so it’s always a pleasure to hear that someone is enjoying them : )
Many thanks once again!!
Pretty late comment here, but just for any out there still considering this one. I installed the F28 the day it released and have spent a good deal of time with it, really is a great vintage regional airliner. But I never expected failures - they aren't mentioned in the manual. Nevertheless I was entering the later stages of approach into somewhat tricky KASE with the series 3000 and lost #1 engine. No reason really, just went dead. Being down to 12,000 and tucked between mountain peaks in rough air there wasn't much opportunity to troubleshoot and try restart, just had to manually fly it accordingly to land, learning a single engine final "on the fly" so to speak. I donno, maybe going too low throttle (flight idle for a moment once) during descent triggered that, perhaps someone can enlighten me... At any rate, after probably 30 flights to have that occur, rather surprising. If you already have this fantastic jet for FS, be aware... it does have the potential to make things interesting!
Haha, well that’s an interesting one, Gary! I don’t believe that failures are officially modelled on the aircraft yet, but I gather some failure modelling will be included at a later date. I have no idea what might have caused your #1 to shut down, but it sounds like it would have been a nice little challenge to get the jet back on the ground!
Thanks for sharing. All the best : )
Well, I have 7 full flights in it so far. I've been flying the Canadian Regional all over Ontario.
I watched all the JustFlight YT videos and took notes. I really had no problem at all with it.
First, the plane is modeled beautifully! The cabin is awesome, That interior door handle/latch is so neat! The plane handles really well. Awesome performance on my machine.
My only real gripe is the font and gauge size. The whole real estate of the panel seems a little out of proportion, the AP control looks so much bigger than the background gauges. Your doing so much work during a flight I constantly have to zoom in just to see the numbers. Maybe it a setting on my machine i need to fix.
I own:
Concorde
Twin Otter
CRJ
PMDG 737
Maddog MD-80
BAE-146
AN-22
However, I feel the the whole "STUDY LEVEL" term is being used way too much to get another $20 tacked on to the asking price in my opinion. This aircraft is not any harder to learn than the other ones I own. In fact, the 737, Mad Dog and BAE-146 were much more harder to learn than the F-28. Just from the perspective that they all have a FMS that needs to be learned. To be completely honest, this is a $39.99 to $49.99 plane at best. Your going to have to "want" to navigate VOR to VOR, Your going to need a paper flightplan right next to you. Your going to manage airspeed and setup radios, inbound / outbound courses constantly. It's 1970's era operations all the way! No Airbus or Boeing FMS's here.
But, Once you go through the all the motions of clicking fire loops and pushing test button here BEEP, BEEP, push this button there WHOOP, WHOOP. The whole "STUDY LEVEL" quickly fades away. I said to myself, "O.k. now I need to setup my flight plan....... Oh, that's right, there's no GPS"
If your thinking of buying this, think of what kind of a simmer you are. Navigate-ie or FMS-ie. Just Flight has the Fokker 100 coming out in the future which is far more modernized with digital gauges and a FMS in the similar airframe as this one.
Thank you for your thoughts Donald, I’m sure they will be of use to other potential buyers of the addon. Indeed, the F28 will not be for everyone, but for those who enjoy their old-school, steam gauge aircraft, there’s a lot of fun and enjoyment to be had from the Fokker.
I do largely agree with you, re the “study level” concept, but I’ve yet to come across a better way of distinguishing a full-fidelity addon from something less complex. There is some rough line in the sand, where those two concepts meet and personally I use “study level” to differentiate between the two. I do consider the F28 to be a “study level” aircraft, though I realise not everyone would agree with me there.
I know what you mean about the gauges. It’s tricky to say whether the scaling is off, or whether the gauge size simply isn’t well suited to an average monitor.
Again though, as you point out, the F28 will be an acquired taste. I know that many are enjoying the aircraft very much (myself included), but it’s certainly worth considering, whether or not the Fokker will suit one’s personal simming style.
Cheers again! All the best : )
Yeah, lots of rough spots in the cockpit. At that price it's a bit disappointing.
Hello, love your videos. If you had to choose between this aircraft and the Maddog 80, which do you prefer?
Hello Ricardo,
Thank you very much for the kind words, I’m really glad you’re enjoying the content!
Oooof, that’s a tough one haha! All things considered, I think the F28 offers much better value for money overall; the F28 has better texturing, sounds and a more functional EFB than the Maddog, not to mention that Just Flight’s offering is significantly cheaper than the MD80. That being said, the MD80 is still a great addon and one that is very enjoyable to operate (so long as you can look past the texturing and live with the sub-par sounds). I think one point that is very important to consider; how much “manual” flying do you want to be doing? The F28 only comes with a very basic autopilot and very limited navigational systems (unless you want to make use of the GNS530, you’ll be navigation VOR to VOR). Whilst that can make for some really fun / challenging flights, a lot of people wouldn’t want to be flying like that all the time. The Maddog on the other hand, comes with a much more modern avionics setup and can be flown like pretty much any other modern jet.
I think the F28 is objectively “better”, or at least a more complete product overall. If I had to choose only one long-term option for the sim though, I think I would probably go with the Maddog, purely based on the automation / aircraft capabilities argument. Then again, if you already own another modern jet (the 737 for example), I’d definitely be swayed towards the Fokker, as the aircraft really does offer up something a bit different.
I hope that helps a bit? A very tricky question indeed haha. All the best! : )
I wonder how you do depart/ approach an airport with only vor ndb ? Are there any rules or you fly a straight radial to an airport or you follow special procedure?
Hi Georgios,
Well, up until relatively recently, SID’s / STAR’s were flown much as you see them today, except instead of the waypoints being based on GPS positions, they were based on navaid locations, radials, DME’s etc. There are still quite a few “conventional” SID’s / STAR’s kicking around, but they are becoming progressively less common. Radar vectoring is certainly one solution, if an aircraft isn’t RNAV capable.
I hope that clarifies things a little. All the best! : )
The flaps should shake during take off roll
That would be nice to see BAO, yes.
All the best!
Just like "Into the Blue", I've been waiting for the release of this add-on for over a year. Now the time has finally come. The Fokker F28 Fellowship is a twin-engined, short-range jet airliner designed and built by Dutch aircraft manufacturer Fokker. The aircraft was powered by two tail-mounted Rolls-Royce Spey engines. The first customers were LTU and Braathens, which put the aircraft type into service in 1969. Another excellent report about a very interesting jet from the Netherlands. My neighboring country.
Thank you very much Peter, I’m really glad you enjoyed the video! I do hope you’re enjoying the F28 and that the aircraft has been well worth the wait : )
Happy flying and all the best!
Thanks for your videos(s). I purchased this last evening, and since I’m a casual simmer, I use CTRL E to start most of the time. For some reason, however, after start I have no primary controls. No wheel steering, elevators or ailerons. Any idea what’s up?
Hello Gervan,
Apologies for the slow reply. You’ve provably got things figured out by now, but it sounds like you still have the gust lock engaged (I guess CTRL E doesn’t take care of that). Try using the “Ready for Takeoff” preset on the tablet, otherwise you can disengage the gust lock manually - it’s located at the aft of the centre pedestal (on the left, next to the captain).
I hope that helps. Happy flying and all the best! : )
@@IntotheBlueSimulations thank you! I did figure it out after viewing a full video on startup to takeoff. Cheers! Although, I wish the knobs would show info when hover over them. This plane is a little rough for novices (yep, it is for professionals), but I like to fly it.
You’re most welcome! Glad you got things figured out. Yes, the F28 has a bit of a steep learning curve for newer simmers, but there are plenty of tutorials available on TH-cam and I’m sure with enough practice, you could have things figured out : )
Best of luck and happy flying!
Is the "STEW CALL" button functional, and what kinds of stew are supported?
Yes, it's functional. You can interact with the galley steward call panel and trigger cabin announcements, dimming of lights for takeoff, music etc.
Martyn - Just Flight
Haha, only Hachee stew is modelled at this time (in keeping with the Fokker heritage). I’m not sure whether further stews will be added at a later date. . . ; )
(As Martyn points out, the button does work and comes with appropriate functionality).
Cheers, all the best! : )
Good camera settings to capture that "walk around feel?"
Thanks very much Lewis, I’m glad you enjoyed the effect!
All the best : )
@@IntotheBlueSimulations oh sorry. I was asking a question on how you get those realistic exterior camera views.
Oh, sorry Lewis, I didn’t realise it was a question haha.
The walkaround was a combination of the drone camera and TrackIR. I added in the footstep sounds during the editing process. FS Realistic does offer up a somewhat similar functionality (th-cam.com/video/6k7ZA-AGA7M/w-d-xo.html), though it could certainly still use some improvement. At some point, apparently Asobo will be adding in a native first-person experience to the sim.
I hope that clarifies things. All the best! : )
Any news on the development progress of Just Flight's Fokker 100?
Hello Andrei,
I know the F100 is moving ever closer to completion , but I don’t have any specific news with regards to a release date etc. Presumably, now that the F28 has been completed, Just Flight will be funnelling more resources into the F70 / F100. I’m very much looking forward to the more modern Fokkers also, so I’m as keen to hear some news as you are haha.
Cheers, all the best! : )
I’m emotionally attached to this aircraft, it was the first aircraft I flew as a passenger in 1985, and was the first airliner I operated as FO in 1998.
I didn’t hesitate one second to buy the addon as soon as it was released despite its high price. This is what I think of it:
1) external and cabin 3D modeling is great.
2) flight model is just default Msfs model, same feeling as all jet msfs aircraft, I guess it is a Msfs limitation JF are not at fault here.
3) cockpit instruments and captions are aweful!! Tiny, blurry and barely readable.
4) FPS is very bad, compared to PMDG and FBW, even though these latter are more modern and thus more CPU intensive.
I hope JF will do something about 3&4.
Well, I’m really glad you get to re-live some memories in the F-28 at any rate, it’s great to see this classic in the sim!
I think your points are fair (the gauges can be tricky to read, though I can’t figure out whether this is down to scaling, or whether the F-28’s cockpit simply doesn’t lend itself well to an average sized monitor). I can’t say for certain, exactly what Just Flight will do, but they have been very good with regards to updating / improving their 146, so I suspect the Fokker will receive the same treatment : )
Thanks for sharing and all the best to you!
How are your cameras set up in MSFS to move to fluidly?
Hello Thomas,
I'm actually using a head-tracking device called "TrackIR" for the camera movements. It's great, although a little pricey. There are cheaper / freeware alternatives available though, should you wish to give it a go for yourself : )
I hope that helps. All the best!
is it just me or does it look like the wing flex basically only two different positions, up and down?
What other wing flex position do you want? I thought that was all that the wings actually did flex was up and down.
@@descent815 I mean like there isn't any in between mb I worded that badly
No wing flex from I can see, very stiff.
The wing flex is being tweaked at the moment.
Martyn - Just Flight
@@descent815bruh 😂 I was thinking the same too 😂
😎👍
Hi, why is the clouds quality so off in this video? Any specific reason?
Hi Garrixon,
It’s basically just the sim depicting high-level cloud coverage, but as cirrus isn’t properly modelled in MSFS, this is the result. I have to say, I thought it looked quite good actually haha.
I hope that clarifies things. All the best! : )
Hey, with which Addon do you perform the walk around?
Hello Nik,
What you saw during the video, was simply the use of the drone camera / TrackIR and then a few tricks during editing. FS Realistic does offer such an option also, albeit the functionality does have some drawbacks.
th-cam.com/video/6k7ZA-AGA7M/w-d-xo.html
I hope that helps a little. All the best! : )
I want this really bad
You sound like a general with a stick under his arm giving a lecture before a class of Cadets🥴😀 I love it. I have no idea who you are or how you look. Its like a "Radiostar"
Youre my absolute favorit BESIDES☝️ another nr1, DreamsofWings🤗
You two are great. Lots of succes👍
Haha! That’s not one I’ve heard before Aaldert, but I’ll take it! XD
With regards to how I look, just imagine a cross between Sean Connery and Henry Cavill : P
Well, that’s very flattering, as DreamsofWings is *my* favourite TH-camr also. I love his videos / style and he was a big inspiration for me starting my own channel. I just wish my commentary sounded as smooth as his haha.
Many thanks for the kind words, I’m really glad you’re enjoying the channel! Much appreciated and all the best : )
I was sure I'd be a first-day buyer for this module. But unless there's a lot of refinement before the product goes out I think I'll wait around for a discount or more polish post-release.
Thanks for your content!!
As explained in the video, these previews do not fully reflect the release version. Most of the issues mentioned here are already fixed and the rest will be fixed before release.
Martyn - Just Flight
Hi Jolly,
Having just had a chance to try out the latest dev version, I can attest to Martyn’s statement: It seems all of the issues I came across during my flight, have subsequently been fixed up (HT HOLD now works, IAS HOLD, engages more smoothly, the pressurisation system was behaving as it should and rudder behaviour seemed much more reasonable during the takeoff). I’ll aim to have another video out after the F28 has released, so that should give you a much better idea as to the final state of the product : )
My absolute pleasure on the video. Thanks for watching and all the best to you!
into the blue i been watching u for a long time i think its time to change that moniter or capture card to 4k
Hello Petter,
Haha well, I have started to tentatively look into upping my recording resolution, but I want to do things right and that means testing, tweaking etc. As of now, I haven’t really had the time to do that unfortunately. Logically, I’ll try some 2K recordings first and then potentially move up from there.
Cheers! All the best : )
hello amazing demo here but I have a big question about both engine failure : spawn on ground ,cold and dark, teleport to 10000ft , APU on ,APU air on ,generator in use , engine start master on ,starter valve open,fuel boost pumps on, but BLEED valve would NOT open for starting engines, did I miss something? I`ve seen the manual and I just can`t get those valves OPEN,please help!
Hello Doris,
Thanks very much, I’m really glad you enjoyed the video!
I can’t say for sure, but it’s quite possible that the Just Flight F28, simply doesn’t like being taken into the air from cold and dark. Oftentimes, more complex addons need to be operated in a more “linear” fashion, otherwise systems errors can unfold. It’s hard to say exactly what the problem is, without knowing all of the details; have you tried a windmill restart, turning off the packs, HP fuel valves on / off for the start etc? It could simply be a bug but again, difficult to say I’m afraid.
Sorry I can’t really be of more help on that one. I hope you get things figured out. All the best! : )
What are the orange / yellow balls on the bracket under the Magnetic compose for?
Sight reference gauge, its a reference point to make sure your eyes are at the right place relative to the panel
Thanks very much for offering up the help, Francis! : )
Hi Firefox,
As Francis points out, they act as a visual reference, such that the pilot can adjust his seat into the correct position for an optimum view of both the panel and the outside world (the seat is in the correct position when the markers are aligned).
I hope that helps. All the best! : )
@@IntotheBlueSimulations spot on thanks
You’re most welcome! : )
Which addon you used for ATC voices?
Hello Amir,
The ATC is real-world recordings, which I’ve then edited into the video. There is actually an ATC chatter app available for MSFS though, if that’s the sort of thing you’re after : )
I hope that helps. All the best!
Do I need this, if I already have the BAe 146 ?
Haha, well I’m afraid only you can answer that, True-Blade! The F28 is every bit as good as the 146, arguably even better and the two jets have quite a lot in common. If you’ve got money to burn, by all means consider the Fokker - it’s a brilliant addon! Otherwise though, there isn’t much you can do with the F28, that you can’t already do with the 146.
I hope that helps a little with the decision making process. Best of luck! ; )
Hallo, I’m Ruben from Belgium! I have a question: How do you walk in the plane? 🙂
Hello Ruben,
Most of what you saw during the video, was simply the use of the drone camera / TrackIR and then a few tricks during editing. FS Realistic does offer such an option also, albeit the functionality does have some drawbacks.
th-cam.com/video/6k7ZA-AGA7M/w-d-xo.html
I hope that helps a little. All the best! : )
Really Hope someone does an MMA livery
Sitting on Dixie trying to get out of KATL and everyone was late and getting frazzled. A Delta pilot on ground said "Can you get the pilot in the Fokker to get off the brakes.. We got a something called a schedule."
The Fokker opened his clam on the tail and made a farting sound on the mic... Silence and then everyone started cracking up...
Ha!! XD
Will this be on a study level craft, like PMDG ? Or Fenix
Pretty much. Just an older plane so it's not really comparable but in term of quality, i'd personally claim is at the same level.
Just like the JF 146 - another fantadtic aircraft- possibly not a full set of failures ( they're sliwly coming in on the 146 ) but at least PMDG level.
@@Karibanu so not too many failures? Not a problem does every button work?
@@TheBassman0327 yes every button works
On the 146? the upper breaker panel isn't interactable, but everything else is. As usual the weather radar is inop.
You probably get this Q a lot, but how do you get the ATC audio?
Haha, I mayyyy have been asked that once or twice (I think it’s probably the most asked question on my channel haha).
but, just for you, Chris. . . ; )
Its boringly simple actually. The ATC is real-world recordings (typically from LiveATC.net), which I’ve then edited into the video. There is actually an ATC chatter app available for MSFS though, if that’s the sort of thing you’re after : )
I hope that helps. All the best!
@@IntotheBlueSimulations Thanks, it’s a great effect. They absolutely should use AI to bring that level of awesomeness into the sim!
Well, apparently the MSFS chatter app tries to bring in appropriate regional accent where it can, but obviously that depends on whether the country in question allows the recording / broadcast of ATC transmissions.
It looks like some promising ATC addons are inbound for MSFS though, so they should do the trick until AI finally takes over the world. I should just give VATSIM a bash, but I can’t quite wrap my head around the “top-down” control style and know I’d just make an absolute dogs dinner of it XD
Cheers!
@@IntotheBlueSimulations ditto! 😂
XD
Do you have a yoke or do you fly all airplanes with a stick?
stick
Hi Boudewijn,
As Petter points out, I do all my simming with a stick / HOTAS. I do own a Yoke, but I don’t really have room for the setup at the moment + it’s a little bit of a pain constantly having to swap out equipment. I’m perfectly happy flying all sorts with a joystick, whereas flying certain addons with a yoke would be tricky : )
I hope that helps. Cheers!
Did I see no animation on the fan blades?
Those are stator vanes, RR, they’re supposed to be fixed. The fan blades (just behind) are animated, no worries ; )
I hope that clarifies things. Cheers : )
@@IntotheBlueSimulations Thanks!!
My pleasure! : )
Sigh. I have an Ansett passenger blanket still in it’s plastic. Famous for one of the longest toughest, most bitter pilot strikes in Australian arbitration and industrial relations history. Such pilot chatter once in air would add to realism
Reference: en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1989_Australian_pilots%27_dispute
Was it something you were caught up in, Tom? I’ve flown with one or two ex-Ansett guys over the years, so (whilst a bit before my time) the unfortunate chain of events that unfolded, is something I’m reasonably familiar with. The aviation sector can be a pretty crummy / cutthroat industry to be in at times. . .
Cheers, all the best!
Are these little airliners still in use today?
Sadly, no
It seems not Pythos, at least not in civil use (I’m not sure whether there are still any military examples flying). A shame, but all the more reason to enjoy Just Flights brilliant rendition of the little F28! : )
Cheers!
this is great, finally a proper aircraft for my sus african airline
Haha, I’m sure the F28 will fit perfectly, RSF! Happy flying and all the best : )
Honestly the best reviews out there for MSFS, appreciate the video. The aircraft looks incredible, though overpriced.
Thank you for the kind words Steve, very much appreciated! My absolute pleasure on the video.
The Fokker isn’t cheap, but it costs me about the same to fill up the car and I know which one brings me more enjoyment haha. The F28 is another quality effort from Just Flight, for sure.
Cheers and all the best! : )
Haha i was born in kalgoorlie
Haha, well I hope you enjoyed a spot of virtual-Kalgoorlie then, Sam! Thanks for watching, all the best : )
How much does it cost???
Hello Kam,
It costs about £60, depending on your local currency, exchange rates, tax situation etc.
I hope that helps. All the best.
Cal-gur-lee
Sorry Finn. I tried my best, even went on TH-cam ahead of the video, to hear a local pronounce it, but for whatever reason, it just didn’t roll off the tongue haha ; )
Cheers, all the best!
Noticed that the turbine fans are not simulated. I don’t know if you had the video showing the wrong engine while the engine was starting
They do turn, the Spey engines have guide vanes in front of the fan blades which gives the illusion they are not turning, but they are.
You can supposedly see the turbine blades spinning behind the stators, it came up in one of JFs vids. This will be a common complaint though....
@@Niskan40what are guide vanes?
@jamiesblogs10 I used the wrong word they're stator vanes, they're used to better guide the air into the compressor, hence they're in front of the first stage compressor (fanblades).
It is often seen on early turbojets.
@@Niskan40 - And support bearing - with oil tubes inside stator vane.
PMDG should learn from you
Are you serious? Because apparently you’ve never owned a PMDG.
All of us developers learn and benefit from each other, and very often work together even if that's not obvious to the community.
Martyn - Just Flight
It's very obvious and a good idea to do so .what's the learning time for this aircraft of perfection ❓
Dad
Hehe, I don’t think so, Joshua? : P
So what random stuff has this guy done to deserve a pre-release version?
I’m not sure there was anything “random” about Just Flight’s decision, FF : )
Unfortunately many top devs of today never heard of or tested their planes in VR, like other planes for MSFS this one suffers from grave perspective distortions and weak technology in modeling and texturing. What seems pleasant weathering in "pancake mode" in VR is simply substandard and the saddest thing is these devs feel good about themselves as nobody (with a serious voice in the field) tells them anything.
Tin hat on - I don’t like it
Haha. Fair enough BPB, we all have our own tastes / preferences - I’m sure the F28 won’t be for everyone ; )
Cheers, all the best!