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The Imperial War Museum did an exhibition called WAR GAMES. It was about this very subject. But it was sponsored by REBELLION ENTERTAINMENT. So it was basically all a giant advert for SNIPER ELITE 5. I took some vodeos of it. They are on my channel. Please take a look.
You’re anti war? Cool, but other people aren’t. And they dont particularly care that you are. They’ll attack you regardless. A population interwoven with the military is a good thing. I think your british disease tainta your views a little bit.
I knew a guy in high school who was really in to America's Army. I'm pretty sure he eventually enlisted. I wish I could follow up with him on this topic. He knew it was a recruiting tool, but didn't have any other ideas on what he could do with his life.
Classic military tactics: preying on the young, and preying on the working class. If they can, doing both at the same time. Universal thing if you ask almost ANY veteran is that recruiters are the devil.
The Army offers great benefits for people who serve honorably (i.e. don't commit felonies or use drugs and get caught). the GI Bill gives four years of free college at an accredited school all while paying your rent (based on zip code) and giving you a stipend for food and books. And that's available after 3 years of service (which you're getting paid the entire time while learning additional skills if you're in a support MOS). The Army is a stepping stone to the middle class if you're poor and willing to work for it. Plenty of people have been able to substantially improve their lives financially from the benefits of being in the military. There's a lot of disinfo out there about serving in the military from ignorant people who only hear the worst of things from sensationalist news orgs looking for easy clicks.
@@Br0ckR0cket Dude, if the only option your country is giving you "to get out of lower class" is going into the military and risking your life for the military industrial complex, so some powerful people can stay at the top, you live in a shithole
It feels gross to think I and so many other kids were pulled into playing out what is essentially a reenactment of a real bombing without our informed consent.
It's horribly predatory, for sure. But to be fair, the upcoming Fallujah game proves that any event can be turned into a gameplay experience if you spin it the right way, even if the audience knows the truth behind what inspired the game. You already know the type of person who's going to play it.
@@datamale Don't be harsh, they are an indie dev team. Their game turned out "meh" because of technical issues and lackluster gameplay. But maybe they turned it around.
Spec Ops: the line, famously did a very similar scene in wich you drop white phosphorus on a group of combatants, only to then walk amongst the carnage and discover they were all civilians
@@John-kd2tc "Friendly troops" depends on how you perceive one technicality. They belong to the same military as you, but they do fire upon you without warning.
The scene also importantly shows your character’s reflection on the targeting screen. When it’s all done, nothing’s moving except the screams and moans of wounded and dying people, you see the person responsible reflected: you.
ehhh... the scene was a little heavy handed in that it essentially forced you to do that. It would have been more powerful if it was designed so that the "easy" solution that a gamer who's just on shooter/action game autopilot would do it because they didn't bother to stop and think about what other ways to solve that problem would be. The meta criticism that Spec Ops the Line is targeted towards the stereotypical COD/Halo player who's just going through the motions and not thinking about the implications of their actions, so the game undermines its message by not giving alternative solutions that someone who's thinking would attempt to do before using white phosphorous on innocents. Compare and contrast the famous scene in Bioshock where the player character is revealed to have been brainwashed/programmed to always do anything someone says to do after the phrase "would you kindly..." when Andrew Ryan orders the player to kill them in a cutscene. The player's agency is removed and the player character does as its told, and the player can only watch through the protagonist's POV as they beat Andrew Ryan to death while he says "A man chooses, a Slave obeys". This highlights the subtextual criticism of the video game player experience: despite games being seen as a power fantasy for the player, where they are given the illusion of freedom and agency within the confines of the game, the player is actually completely limited to the gameplay mechanics featured in the game. The player can only do what the game lets them do. The player is a willing Slave to the game's mechanics. Returning to Spec Ops, the big wham line at the end of the game's narrative is that all this terrible stuff happened because the player wanted to be a hero, specifically, a video game shooter hero, and so by blindly following that desire, they actually ended up making things worse within the context of the game. Walker has literally gone insane by the end of the game, hallucinating voices on the radio giving him orders, and several encounters are hallucinations. While the Spec Ops story works pretty well and I do like the game, it would have better if on a second play through the player, now aware of what's going on, could see that there were always other options available to them, even if they weren't specifically highlighted as options by the game and do things differently and achieve a different ending. Turn off your gamer brain autopilot and actually think critically and you won't be blindly committing war crimes just because an NPC said it was the only way.
Ironically, America's Army was, likely, more popular outside the US. As it was free and the closest thing you could get as a hardcore shooter for the price of nothing in a time when you could barely afford a computer. It was common to find it on cybercafés in South America alongside Counter Strike until the late 2015s.
The moment i saw the real AC130 mission that inspired the one in cod 4 was pretty scary, to look at, you're literally seeing real people die from above is frightening
@@moregan101 Yeah, I know, pretty awesome. "Do not engage the church, I repeat, do not engage the church." "You are cleared to engage the moving vehicle." "Whoaaa!" "Gun Ready!" "Ka-boom." "He's probably pissed. That's a nice truck!" "Nah, he's scared sh-tless."
Your two videos about military shooters actually made me feel sick after watching. Great work. Definitely left a lasting impact on me not even kidding.
At least "Americas army" failed at making people join the military, I have seen statistics showing that only 4% of people who joined up in that year signed up because of the game. Also, when it was first announced, the game instantly sparked outrage (especially among Veterans) and, upon launch, was instantly flooded by vets with anti-war usernames who would speak up against it in game chat
For the military entertainment complex, It’s purpose goes beyond getting American teenagers that would eventually become adults to join the US military, but it’s to get them to tolerate the actions of that US military. I’m American myself, but we tell ourselves we hate government but we are fine with this government going around the world and subjecting their tyranny against people that aren’t humanized to us… but the US government and military is humanized instead. We are in North America, how do these states in Asia, like in Iraq or Vietnam threaten us? Why does the US government take away our freedom but then send this US military to Asia and tell us they are protecting our freedom? These video games have this influence to the digital generations, like Hollywood films did with older generations. We never learn and realize we being duped by propaganda.
ngl, that i did not know about vets making usernames like that, and playing the game to speak out to kids/people overall getting into the military from the game alone. just wondering though, where did you find out about that particular piece of info? im doubting if i looked it up, it'd give me such a specific search result about it
4% bump in recruitment isn't an insignificant result. It's about 4000 men joined the army in a year because of the game. How many more passively changed their views on US military politics?
That real footage video and its comments is horrifying. Like they’re still people with friends, families and pets and they’re like “man look at that guy getting exploded in half it’s crazy bro”.
This is beyond twisted. I always knew Cod 4 was indirectly referring to the Iraq invasion. If you look up footage of Fallujah in 2004, it’s literally every marine mission in the game. But this is a frighteningly DIRECT replica of an operation the U.S. had. Dialogue and all! As a kid, this was fun. As a 27 yo, I never want to purchase an activision game again. Amazing work and portrayal 👏
How could so many people not know that? They even bragged about it multiple times and was mentioned in many reviews. One of the reasons I love this game so much.
@@dodderythedromedary6890 That is not the point, the point was that CoD4 alters the history by giving a legitimate reason to invade Iraq in the first place. In my opinion he did miss some facts and over interpreted it. In this universe Saudi-Arabia is a democratic country hence why Khaled Al-Assad had to kill its president and overthrow the country. In this universe Khaled Al-Assad was expanding over the middle east and after attacking a country that is an ally of the US, the US invaded. Combining the 2nd and 3rd Gulf War. I just do not see the conclusion how this is gonna warp someone's mind about what happened in Iraq in real life because adult gamers are in fact able to make their own research and distinct between fiction and reality. The issue is overblown in my opinion because most gamers either didn't care or were smart enough to distinct between these two.
@@Blind_Hawk The first time you hear about the US invasion in the game someone tells you it's pointless and yes I agree, at the end of the day this is a fictional story and no one gets their views from video games, people are just naturally desensitized to violence in modern society.
the military is always at the cutting edge of technological development. imo the best and most obvious examples are related to my field, meteorology. radar and satellite imaging being the most obvious examples
I think the problem is that technology should be pursued without the intent of violence. Like we still get tech from space agencies so its not necessary to have a killing machine be the font of inspiration. Could easily send that money and wealth elsewhere and watch as even "ordinary" people come up with brilliant solutions because its a world where they get the free time and agency to do so.
This video is good, but I think the Doom section is poorly researched. Doom's moddability isn't what lead to similar games being made, it was just a popular game that others sought to emulate. Most "Doom clones" didn't use the doom engine and editing software. Doom 2's engine is extremely close to the first game and it's a stretch to say the levels are "more complex" when some of them were scrapped levels from the first game. Also, the image you use for "Level 28" is from Ultimate Doom, which was released after Doom 2. Other than that, I really enjoyed the video! This is a tricky topic to cover but I think you handle it well.
Half these commenters are just edge-lord 14 year olds who just wanna have the edgy opinion because it’s easier than confronting the reality of the situation lmao
Its crazy how disconnected they are from the violence, it doesn't feel real to them as the violence that occurs domestically, shots harrowing especially considering its people overseas who receive the main brunt of violence from these machines. These are people, and I cant imagine what it would be like in person seeing the carnage, the smell, sight, sound, it would keep you up at night. As a kid, I thought the marines were cool but that was only because I played halo, j didn't have access to CoD, and in halo, you are very clearly the good guy in the games, and the violence depicted towards you and your allies wasn't depicted as horrifying for the most part, but as a game and jolly old time. The only other FPS we had was a game we got for basically free, men of valor which was a very commercially poorly portrayed situation of Vietnam. The Vietnamese were depicted in a sort of unintelligent way, and we were meant to root for the marines and they were depicted in a heroic manner, the US ruined their country, there wasn't anything heroic about it.
@ They should ban you from the internet if you get too cumbrained with your words what are we doing here bro nobody wants to talk like this with you ☠️
@@halinaqi2194 Games will inevitably depict war, especially fictional wars, in an unserious manner. Humans have been telling stories about heroes and war for thousands of years, it's not going to stop now.
Love from India I wanted to move to USA to join their army and work for global peace My grand uncle said that Iraq war will not result in democracy but a more dangerous group will form causing global terrorism. He passed away in 2010 and he was right
Yeaaaa the US created isis … the CIA funded the “good” terrorists in the 80s and 90s and then the result of that was them getting tons of money and weapons from us which they then turned around and became the strongest power and we had to deal with it. The US is an imperial country and we are basically two sides of the same coin with Russia.
nince you mentioned IFF marks in games, reminds me of how Ace Combat series (made by Japanese devs) handle this so differently: Not only they show the unnecessary yet deliberate or inevitable destruction of civilians / infrastructures, also they made the IFF unreliable to show how chaotic battleground can be. Friendly fire occur from time to time, and some are caused by the player or against the player, there's even a scene, one of your teammate being deliberately tagged as enemy by superior, so they can get him killed.
All the biggest games in the 2000s were about war, "coincidentally" during the peak of the Iraq/Afghanistan wars. I think it was a form of subliminal programming of a pro-war mindset. Halo, ⚙️ of War, Call of Duty, SOCOM, Tom Clancy games etc.
Wow. I was appalled at the video when I saw it and had absolutely no idea that COD ripped the mission from that, well, what looks like a war crime. There’s no way for them to know who they’re killing. Dude. That makes me sick.
My countrys military has some top notch propaganda videos too like actual movie quality. Funniest thing is that its not even necessary since we have mandatory conscription.
They aren't necessary, but they do help. There's huge day and night difference between conscript who came serve his time and a motivated one who considers making a career out of the army.
14:19 to comment on this, this is actually a fairly realistic detail. the use of IR strobe lights on equipment is a method used by the military to help air crews identify friend from foe. of course, this goes both ways, but in this mission the people youre fighting done have anything of the sort so it works out fine.
While watching i paused the video to watch the ac130 footage and look at the comments and its so horrifying how many people can see that and joke about it. turning the literal death of people into jokes referencing a damn video game.
@@Blind_Hawk it's far from my time being on the internet dude, I can still be disgusted regardless dude. Like how I've been disgusted at people loving gore videos and cartel executions, I know it's nothing new but I still can be disgusted at it.
what strikes me most is how we (as a society) accepted war as entertainment while at the same time avoid to show the real consequences in our news coverage. although sometimes tough to watch, i think aljazeera is doing a good job on making the human suffering during such conflicts visible by not censoring.
Watched this and your other call of duty video, extremely thoughtful and well done. I grew up with these games and the zombies mode is an occasional guilty pleasure of mine but I do see them significantly differently than I did when I was a kid - military propoganda is definitely an appropriate framing after playing through them as an adult. And they consistently frame people committing atrocities as tough men making "difficult decisions" but ultimately doing the right thing to keep everyone safe. I think it is insidious and it's fair to treat the stories these games tell in the same critical way as we would movies or books, at the end of the day it is media that is consumed by tens of millions of people and it would be crazy to think that has no impact on our minds even if we aren't consciously aware of it. As a kid, I remember thinking the people I saw in the games as cool and even an example of a badass to aspire to and that's a scary thing to consider now. Great work, I appreciated your arguments a lot. I'll check some of your other stuff out too and the links you shared.
What's funny is these games made me hate war and governments. I got an antiwar reading of COD as a kid and still prefer that reading of some of these games, and I know I'm not the only one who came out of a childhood of COD as an obnoxious lefty.
Absolutely same, they're designed to be as marketable as possible, and the interviews with the devs show this. Coincidently the AC130 mission is a perfect example of this, It's been admitted that half the inspiration was, look how "scary and dehumanising this is" and the other half is "look how much of a power trip this is". The argument is that with this marketability they don't express a clearer message. it's a litmus test that only strengthens your own bias. P.s. it's also just fun to play as a game and as a setting. like me a plugged in Propaganda slave who lived in a decommissioned ww2 airfield and my buddy who grew up in a anti-game, anarchist household that only recently bought the Television, can still sit down and have fun due to it's thin vail of Realism. LIke a fucked up version of Cops and robbers.
19:16 man, as bad as that is it's NOTHING compared to the close-up, HD, color footage flooding mainstream websites like Reddit and Twitter out of places like Ukraine of sometimes Ukrainian but mostly Russian troops being blown up, shot, burning to death, having grenades dropped on them while they sleep and bleeding to death as explosion after explosion tears them apart a little more while they're still alive. I've seen some awful shit. Like a young man sleeping in a hole in the ground when a grenade is dropped right on his face by a drone, destroying it but not killing him. And he just sits there in a daze, blind because his eyes are gone, probably deaf as well, pawing at the chunks of meat and bone hanging off his head, which were a face just a moment ago, now completely shredded beyond recognition. And maybe the most disturbing part is the comments. People cracking jokes, talking about how cool it is, calling them pigs or "orcz," literal dehumanization, and if you try and point out how disgusting that is you just get shouted down as a "Russian troll" or whatever. It's terrifying how much depravity people seem capabale of enjoying when theyre given the flimsiest of excuses to think of it as justified. I haven't watched any of that stuff in a while but I'm honestly not sure what ultimately disturbs me more: the images I saw or the sadistic glee of hundreds of people staring at a screen from the safety of the other side of the world watching people die brutal, excruciating deaths in terror most of us could never imagine.
0:47 The “id” in id Software is pronounced as a single word. Like in “id, ego, and superego.” It is not an abbreviation. Also, “shareware” was the practice of releasing a portion of the software for free, like a demo or trial run, while promoting full registered version as a paid product, back then via mail-order. What you were describing about WADs and unencrypted files that were easy to create and edit would be better described as “open source.” Fitting, since the source code for Doom is available to the public for free. Plus, the games you showed that were “Doom clones” never used the same engine. They just looked like doom because of the 2.5D level design, sprite-based enemies, and limited color palette with primitive blending. Witchaven actually used an early Build engine, the one used in the biggest Doom clone of the 90s, Duke Nukem 3D. Honestly, the whole Doom section needs rewriting as it is woefully inaccurate.
Pulling a trigger in a video game is much easier than in real life. There are no respawns in real life. There is no XP or camo grinding, and there are no custom loadouts for the vast majority.
video games have always been about war ever since space invaders and missile command. i'm just not sure how practical it ever was at actually helping a real military.
Your final conclusion really made it clear that the military and with that a lot of world governments are actually preparing people for a world where war is more common place. Just look at how people are just glorifying the horrible deaths caused by fpv drones in the war in ukraine. And of course Hideo Kojima predicted this in Metal Gear Solid 4.
@technoruffles7747 Well with Death Stranding he predicted the effect that major catastrophes may have on our social connections and well being. That's why the focus in the game lies to reconnecting people. At first people mocked this idea and called it a walking simulator. But when Covid hit they understood it's messaging way better.
Has anybody here played Arma CWC/ Operation Flashpoint Cold War Crisis? It's one of my alltime favourites, and although I haven't played many games, especially modern ones, it still stands out as a masterpiece. It was made in 2001 and it contains more realism than 90%+ of shooters I see today. Today it's all about sensory overload really. About propaganda, Idk... Of course USA is portrayed well and USSR rouge general as a villain, but it does not seem like brainwashing. Maybe I have missed the point, but there it is.
I only ever played zombies as a kid and multiplayer on a lan with my brothers. But I generally refuse to play campaigns unless I go in with a very critical mindset. It was depressing to see modern zombies get blended with the campaign because of that.
To be honest, I used to think like that since I was playing a lot of these games especially the SOCOM games in my early childhood. Still, I think it’s not very nice that we dehumanize the enemy IF they aren’t a terrorist organization and aren’t committing war crimes like a regular Tuesday for them.
The dehumanizing of the civilian population I think gave rise to the beheadings and public executions the radical factions of the population decreed. Since all they had known for ten years was nothing but chaos and fear, bombings and disordered martial take-overs, they grew up into reflections of this dehumanized environment who couldn't tell humanity from inhumanity, and finally snapped in orgiastic mass murder frenzies aimed at overturning the US occupied allied governments. . all the while broadcasting it on the internet to us.
I think by design it was meant to make you uncomfortable. There's no soundtrack that plays during the entire mission, most of it the audio is just an occasional disembodied radio voice and the hum of your plane. There is only impersonal mechanized mass death to observe, and it looks almost exactly the same as how it's done in real life. Probably one of the few missions in COD history that breaks the 4th wall the hardest.
@@queuedjar4578 But was it really? It was one of most liked missions, after finishing it, you could play it again for high score. And how do you get the high score? You keep the combo multiplier up by continuing leveling the buildings during the down time. You see, destroying any building unnecessarily is a war crime, but we are never told that. As long as you don't touch the church it's all good.
@@armeniangenocide5778 There is no scoring function in base CoD4, you're thinking of the alternate arcade mode. And if I recall correct, leveling buildings doesn't add to score in that mode only kills.
That's the point. It's meant to make you uncomfortable. Why do think ESRB existed in the first place? There's plenty of Violent and Distrubing games out there NOT made for Children and those who don't grow a pair of balls.
I admit to video games being partially responsible for why i joined the military and i absolutely loved my time and regret nothing from that experience. Lol
I did 7 years, now have 2 degrees working on the third. A large family and make good money on the outside. I opted to do a combat job, but only 10% of the jobs are combat affiliated and anyone can benefit from this experience because you all get the same benefits.
@cohengamertv6548 I watch door ways and play a role in Team safety at my kids public events. I also have fuck you money to do things I only dreamed of growing up in the projects. So vibing I guess.
Scary to think video games are enough to get someone to enlist. I mean, I'm enlisting to be able to retire one day, but still. If you really want to dedicate three of some of the most important years of your life because it "looks cool" then man do you have another thing coming
As a Canadian, our military has participated pretty regularly in wars post WWII, Libya, Yugoslavia, Korea, Afghanistan, the gulf War, Iraqi Civil War, dude we have been getting involved wdym? If you think joining the Canadian military was moral or good unlike joining the US one, id like to remind you, canadians aren't exactly angels. Yes we did do some things abroad, but a vast majority of things we did, was just accompanying the US around whenever we did choose to get involved. Heck, you do know we are fighting on the side on the same team as Israel in the red sea right now, right?
Shareware is not what you think it is. It just means part of the game is free to redistribute for free. Not that it’s “files are openly accessible to users” that’s how every single game on PC always has been. Wolfenstein and Commander Keen were also shareware games. Despite all the misinformation about doom the rest of the video is pretty good. Just please research everything better. It only takes a single Google search to discover that and it can cast doubt over the rest of the essay.
Theyre fun games. This also isnt a problem considering it’s pretty much a given that it would be this way. Obviously the games are going to put things in a patriotic light,
@mrXilien_ nerd ahh response "Your a sheep" bro. How about I couldn't care less about anything political wise. Plus. It brought us insurgency sandstorm and the good call of duties.
I remember being 12. Good times. You can still enjoy the games, guys. I do too. It's called media literacy and critique, the point isn't to tell you you're wrong for playing and liking the game.
I understand your points, sorry for being condescending with my original reply. You can absolutely still like a piece of media that has problematic elements. But I do think it’s important not to EXCUSE those problematic elements, and at least recognise that they’re present
Recruiting soldiers seems like missing the large picture of propaganda, which is to shape culture and indocrinate people to see US and company as the "good guys".
The idea that call of duty is military propaganda is boneheadedly stupid. The actions of the US Government are criticized in MW and MW2. WaW also doesnt hold any punches on what war really means.
@@letsdothisshiat1162 slightly criticized? The US in WaW use flamethrowers on conscripted soldiers (they speak Korean). General Shepherd caused WW3 on his own with the supposedly real villain (makarov) being a puppet of an American.
Mw2019 takes a real war crime and frames the Russians for it and paints them as blood thirsty killers who torture civilians. The writers said to "not think about that" when asked if the game is political. Figure this out, homie.
There isn't really anything I disagree on in the video. Generally good points. But what I also think is true is war, and enlisting to go to war has been a constant throughout history. I don't know if you could ever put people off volunteering or glorifying war. Young men have always felt the need to test themselves in the cauldron of combat. I don't think that will ever change unless we can fundamentally rewire our biological instincts. Sitting here in a relatively rich country, I am reminded by the fact that the reason I am relatively rich on a global scale is because of the conquests of my ancestors. If they didn't take up the call to fight, then my life would likely be much less comfortable. And this is true for most rich countries. Unfortunately, that's a fact of human history. It's not good, but it's just what reality is. The only real way to stop this cycle is to manipulate our biology, which may eventually happen.
To be honest I think it can be a good thing for some people. The lack of empathy for other human lives makes someone more ready to take one in a necessary situation of course certain comments are disrespectful and its insane that in that footage real people are dying just like that and no one really minds but as harsh as it sounds its good that its that accurate because that's how life can be. If you want to stay alive in war you can't sit there and empathize with the lives you have to take you just do it(obviously only if there's no other way) And besides, without glorifying war by making it look cool with movies and games I don't know who would volunteer to be fight in one.
Why would you *want* people to volunteer to fight wars? This is *US* we're talking about, they create momentary wars because it's profitable to them as the country has no notable industry besides warmongering. The less people volunteer to add fuel to that brazier, the better
@Hellock_222 You're a clown to assume the classical liberal attitude has been the norm for all of history. Your average Roman Legionaries for instance; would find sacrificial life as the highest honor. Individualism has made modern people weak, that is why they are so psychologically vulnerable to war.
@timrosswood4259 no I didn't, the point was "war game reference war" pretty straightforward for anyone currently living under a military industrial complex
Yeah but videos online of people getting killed has went way down in popularity in the last few years like Funker530 and channels and websites like that used to be awesome
If I could offer my thoughts: I don't think they should have made the AC-130 mission that close to a reenactment but I don't think it was necessarily wrong to make an AC-130 mission. I get where your coming from with the desensitization, and I have seen it in action before, however, I like playing these games not because of the "harmless" killing but the lack of it. I love strategy, tactics, and shooter style games. They allow me to do this kind of stuff without paying vast amounts of money for air soft or to actually do the unthinkable and kill people. I have never even gone hunting despite loving guns and shooters, because I don't want to kill a deer or even just a squirrel! Also I think that your point on the America's Army game being marketed for "Children" a little deceiving. If the children were 5 years old, yeah we shouldn't be showing them this kind of stuff. If they're 16 then its fine for most people. 16, only 2 years away from being an adult, and they're making plans for the future. I don't see anything wrong about them playing shooters and deciding to go join the military. And lastly, Modern Warfare and such games advertise themselves as being "immersive shooters" and are M rated, therefore if your going to be playing them you should be mature enough to handle it. Its not an issue with the game, but rather the people who let their children play those games. This is just a note, there are developers like the team who made "Isonzo" who detail their maps and missions like real world ones, but they do put an emphasize on how horrendous the fighting was, the lives that were lost, and the toll for people afterward. There are games like the upcoming "Forever Winter" game that is a shooter and the whole principle is how horrid war is. Anyway, have a good day, hope I offered a reasonable counter opinion!
To be fair, ARMA’s always had an anti-war stance. It’s realistic in its portrayal but to the point where it’s unforgiving. The stories touch on the civilian cost and the deaths can often come across as completely unfair. One DLC is all about how indiscriminate bombing and landmines affect the population.
@@sainsburyshopper nice comment, cant confirm, tho. PLayed only online. Oof, player unknown battlegrounds mod for whole night, with friends who are in this sim for first time... very nostalgic
War is part of man’s nature and all games are a simulation of war, there’s no surprise for me that our video game industry would find a market in making games about war: we live for it and in this age of disgusting relative pacifism many men have to seek a surrogate for war, videogames are a significant option, if there was no one that wanted war there wouldn’t be a war, however war is part of who we are and it will not cease to exist as long as we exist as a species, and obviously, games that are surrogates to war won’t be going anywhere either. I don’t understand this sort of moralism, war is an obvious thing in life, same for violence and the same for games.
But the start and it would be. They would because they would have to develop it themselves and that took a genius of numbers to do. Doom already provided everything. The tools and even books. Also HolloWood where all the famous are, I haven’t look far back too much but I imagine they took advantage of our entertainment in many ways and their interests haven’t changed much in 60+ years. The potential of fps video games was probably seen from the beginning. The soldiers playing were also probably being examined like animals in the wild.
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The Imperial War Museum did an exhibition called WAR GAMES. It was about this very subject. But it was sponsored by REBELLION ENTERTAINMENT. So it was basically all a giant advert for SNIPER ELITE 5. I took some vodeos of it. They are on my channel. Please take a look.
You’re anti war? Cool, but other people aren’t. And they dont particularly care that you are. They’ll attack you regardless.
A population interwoven with the military is a good thing. I think your british disease tainta your views a little bit.
I can now only imagine CIA operatives playing custom Hitman 3 levels
this is crazy.
The highly classified mod @@C.A._Old
Lmfao
The forbidden hitman levels 💀
it would be one room levels with a single dude in them
I knew a guy in high school who was really in to America's Army. I'm pretty sure he eventually enlisted. I wish I could follow up with him on this topic. He knew it was a recruiting tool, but didn't have any other ideas on what he could do with his life.
Classic military tactics: preying on the young, and preying on the working class. If they can, doing both at the same time. Universal thing if you ask almost ANY veteran is that recruiters are the devil.
Or SOCOM…
The Army offers great benefits for people who serve honorably (i.e. don't commit felonies or use drugs and get caught). the GI Bill gives four years of free college at an accredited school all while paying your rent (based on zip code) and giving you a stipend for food and books. And that's available after 3 years of service (which you're getting paid the entire time while learning additional skills if you're in a support MOS).
The Army is a stepping stone to the middle class if you're poor and willing to work for it. Plenty of people have been able to substantially improve their lives financially from the benefits of being in the military.
There's a lot of disinfo out there about serving in the military from ignorant people who only hear the worst of things from sensationalist news orgs looking for easy clicks.
@@Br0ckR0cket Dude, if the only option your country is giving you "to get out of lower class" is going into the military and risking your life for the military industrial complex, so some powerful people can stay at the top, you live in a shithole
That game was terrible.
Mate, you are literally one of my favourite video essayists on TH-cam. Hope you keep at it man you deserve way more views than you’re getting.
Mate I really appreciate that, thanks so much!
It feels gross to think I and so many other kids were pulled into playing out what is essentially a reenactment of a real bombing without our informed consent.
It's horribly predatory, for sure. But to be fair, the upcoming Fallujah game proves that any event can be turned into a gameplay experience if you spin it the right way, even if the audience knows the truth behind what inspired the game.
You already know the type of person who's going to play it.
Not many kids were pulled into the army because of this game. Something like 4% or so.
@@datamale Don't be harsh, they are an indie dev team. Their game turned out "meh" because of technical issues and lackluster gameplay. But maybe they turned it around.
There’s now a pro Hamas game sold on Steam whose proceeds go to “charities.”
@@MildMisanthropeMaybeMassive What's the name of the game?
Spec Ops: the line, famously did a very similar scene in wich you drop white phosphorus on a group of combatants, only to then walk amongst the carnage and discover they were all civilians
Not just civilians, they were friendly troops too.
@@John-kd2tc "Friendly troops" depends on how you perceive one technicality. They belong to the same military as you, but they do fire upon you without warning.
Incredible anti-war game ❤ The Apocalypse Now of games
The scene also importantly shows your character’s reflection on the targeting screen. When it’s all done, nothing’s moving except the screams and moans of wounded and dying people, you see the person responsible reflected: you.
ehhh... the scene was a little heavy handed in that it essentially forced you to do that. It would have been more powerful if it was designed so that the "easy" solution that a gamer who's just on shooter/action game autopilot would do it because they didn't bother to stop and think about what other ways to solve that problem would be. The meta criticism that Spec Ops the Line is targeted towards the stereotypical COD/Halo player who's just going through the motions and not thinking about the implications of their actions, so the game undermines its message by not giving alternative solutions that someone who's thinking would attempt to do before using white phosphorous on innocents.
Compare and contrast the famous scene in Bioshock where the player character is revealed to have been brainwashed/programmed to always do anything someone says to do after the phrase "would you kindly..." when Andrew Ryan orders the player to kill them in a cutscene. The player's agency is removed and the player character does as its told, and the player can only watch through the protagonist's POV as they beat Andrew Ryan to death while he says "A man chooses, a Slave obeys". This highlights the subtextual criticism of the video game player experience: despite games being seen as a power fantasy for the player, where they are given the illusion of freedom and agency within the confines of the game, the player is actually completely limited to the gameplay mechanics featured in the game. The player can only do what the game lets them do. The player is a willing Slave to the game's mechanics.
Returning to Spec Ops, the big wham line at the end of the game's narrative is that all this terrible stuff happened because the player wanted to be a hero, specifically, a video game shooter hero, and so by blindly following that desire, they actually ended up making things worse within the context of the game. Walker has literally gone insane by the end of the game, hallucinating voices on the radio giving him orders, and several encounters are hallucinations. While the Spec Ops story works pretty well and I do like the game, it would have better if on a second play through the player, now aware of what's going on, could see that there were always other options available to them, even if they weren't specifically highlighted as options by the game and do things differently and achieve a different ending. Turn off your gamer brain autopilot and actually think critically and you won't be blindly committing war crimes just because an NPC said it was the only way.
If my taxes are going into call of duty can they atleast make better games I mean Jesus christ
Goat comment
Why tf are our taxes going into cod?
Honestly, isn’t even the dumbest thing US tax dollars have been invested towards…this is just sad.
Ironically, America's Army was, likely, more popular outside the US. As it was free and the closest thing you could get as a hardcore shooter for the price of nothing in a time when you could barely afford a computer. It was common to find it on cybercafés in South America alongside Counter Strike until the late 2015s.
The moment i saw the real AC130 mission that inspired the one in cod 4 was pretty scary, to look at, you're literally seeing real people die from above is frightening
Same type of footage is coming out from the genocide in Gaza as well.
@@kristyns1640 Daaam
The quality of this video insane for such a small channel
Jesus, I never knew it was one to one based off an actual video. Stomach churning. Amazing video
@@moregan101 Yeah, I know, pretty awesome.
"Do not engage the church, I repeat, do not engage the church."
"You are cleared to engage the moving vehicle."
"Whoaaa!"
"Gun Ready!"
"Ka-boom."
"He's probably pissed. That's a nice truck!"
"Nah, he's scared sh-tless."
Lol. I thought it was common knowledge.
Bubsy 3d also made a powerful argument in favor of enlistment because: "What could possibly go wrong?!"
I can still hear him in my head
Your two videos about military shooters actually made me feel sick after watching. Great work. Definitely left a lasting impact on me not even kidding.
At least "Americas army" failed at making people join the military, I have seen statistics showing that only 4% of people who joined up in that year signed up because of the game.
Also, when it was first announced, the game instantly sparked outrage (especially among Veterans) and, upon launch, was instantly flooded by vets with anti-war usernames who would speak up against it in game chat
That's cool, I like that.
For the military entertainment complex, It’s purpose goes beyond getting American teenagers that would eventually become adults to join the US military, but it’s to get them to tolerate the actions of that US military.
I’m American myself, but we tell ourselves we hate government but we are fine with this government going around the world and subjecting their tyranny against people that aren’t humanized to us… but the US government and military is humanized instead. We are in North America, how do these states in Asia, like in Iraq or Vietnam threaten us?
Why does the US government take away our freedom but then send this US military to Asia and tell us they are protecting our freedom?
These video games have this influence to the digital generations, like Hollywood films did with older generations. We never learn and realize we being duped by propaganda.
ngl, that i did not know about vets making usernames like that, and playing the game to speak out to kids/people overall getting into the military from the game alone. just wondering though, where did you find out about that particular piece of info? im doubting if i looked it up, it'd give me such a specific search result about it
4% bump in recruitment isn't an insignificant result. It's about 4000 men joined the army in a year because of the game. How many more passively changed their views on US military politics?
@@armeniangenocide5778 Sounds like peanuts compared to what Top Gun did.
“War as a video game, what better way than to create the ultimate soldier.”
-Solid Snake(Metal Gear Solid 2)
oh my god cutting from the real ac130 footage to the cod gameplay footage watching all the enemies get blown up was a horrible jumpscare
That real footage video and its comments is horrifying. Like they’re still people with friends, families and pets and they’re like “man look at that guy getting exploded in half it’s crazy bro”.
This is beyond twisted.
I always knew Cod 4 was indirectly referring to the Iraq invasion.
If you look up footage of Fallujah in 2004, it’s literally every marine mission in the game.
But this is a frighteningly DIRECT replica of an operation the U.S. had.
Dialogue and all!
As a kid, this was fun.
As a 27 yo, I never want to purchase an activision game again.
Amazing work and portrayal 👏
How could so many people not know that? They even bragged about it multiple times and was mentioned in many reviews. One of the reasons I love this game so much.
I'm not so sure COD4 is pro-war considering you get nuked at the end of the American campaign and the whole endeavor was pointless.
@@dodderythedromedary6890 That is not the point, the point was that CoD4 alters the history by giving a legitimate reason to invade Iraq in the first place.
In my opinion he did miss some facts and over interpreted it. In this universe Saudi-Arabia is a democratic country hence why Khaled Al-Assad had to kill its president and overthrow the country. In this universe Khaled Al-Assad was expanding over the middle east and after attacking a country that is an ally of the US, the US invaded. Combining the 2nd and 3rd Gulf War. I just do not see the conclusion how this is gonna warp someone's mind about what happened in Iraq in real life because adult gamers are in fact able to make their own research and distinct between fiction and reality.
The issue is overblown in my opinion because most gamers either didn't care or were smart enough to distinct between these two.
@@Blind_Hawk The first time you hear about the US invasion in the game someone tells you it's pointless and yes I agree, at the end of the day this is a fictional story and no one gets their views from video games, people are just naturally desensitized to violence in modern society.
@@dodderythedromedary6890 you are so wrong, many kids get their political views from games like these
Great (yet terrifying) video! Keep up the good work!
the military is always at the cutting edge of technological development. imo the best and most obvious examples are related to my field, meteorology. radar and satellite imaging being the most obvious examples
I think the problem is that technology should be pursued without the intent of violence.
Like we still get tech from space agencies so its not necessary to have a killing machine be the font of inspiration.
Could easily send that money and wealth elsewhere and watch as even "ordinary" people come up with brilliant solutions because its a world where they get the free time and agency to do so.
This video is good, but I think the Doom section is poorly researched. Doom's moddability isn't what lead to similar games being made, it was just a popular game that others sought to emulate. Most "Doom clones" didn't use the doom engine and editing software.
Doom 2's engine is extremely close to the first game and it's a stretch to say the levels are "more complex" when some of them were scrapped levels from the first game. Also, the image you use for "Level 28" is from Ultimate Doom, which was released after Doom 2.
Other than that, I really enjoyed the video! This is a tricky topic to cover but I think you handle it well.
Also it's not 'ID' software as in the abbreviation for 'identification', it's 'id', as in the Latin word used in Freudian theory (id, ego, superego).
pfp checks out
America's Army is now free to play on Steam.
Half these commenters are just edge-lord 14 year olds who just wanna have the edgy opinion because it’s easier than confronting the reality of the situation lmao
Its crazy how disconnected they are from the violence, it doesn't feel real to them as the violence that occurs domestically, shots harrowing especially considering its people overseas who receive the main brunt of violence from these machines.
These are people, and I cant imagine what it would be like in person seeing the carnage, the smell, sight, sound, it would keep you up at night.
As a kid, I thought the marines were cool but that was only because I played halo, j didn't have access to CoD, and in halo, you are very clearly the good guy in the games, and the violence depicted towards you and your allies wasn't depicted as horrifying for the most part, but as a game and jolly old time. The only other FPS we had was a game we got for basically free, men of valor which was a very commercially poorly portrayed situation of Vietnam. The Vietnamese were depicted in a sort of unintelligent way, and we were meant to root for the marines and they were depicted in a heroic manner, the US ruined their country, there wasn't anything heroic about it.
Commercially -> comedically
Nah your half of these comments are just 100% bitch made self made victims. It’s like being a victim is y’all’s kink
@ They should ban you from the internet if you get too cumbrained with your words what are we doing here bro nobody wants to talk like this with you ☠️
@@halinaqi2194 Games will inevitably depict war, especially fictional wars, in an unserious manner. Humans have been telling stories about heroes and war for thousands of years, it's not going to stop now.
this is so utterly haunting. great video
It's crazy to think how I'd react to this video back then as a kid CoD fan and now when the war in Ukraine is happening nextdoor.
Love from India
I wanted to move to USA to join their army and work for global peace
My grand uncle said that Iraq war will not result in democracy but a more dangerous group will form causing global terrorism.
He passed away in 2010 and he was right
Yeaaaa the US created isis … the CIA funded the “good” terrorists in the 80s and 90s and then the result of that was them getting tons of money and weapons from us which they then turned around and became the strongest power and we had to deal with it. The US is an imperial country and we are basically two sides of the same coin with Russia.
@@kg7219that’s why so many nationalist americans support russia
There are almost 20 militias disputing the power in Iraq, one is founded by Iran( Kata'ib Hizballah)
@Darth.Augustus USA and Russia competing only because they are literally same country. Really, they have more in common than you can think
@@danielsmokesmidsThe US and Russia are both imperialist
The military is so predatory.
I'm glad to see younger generations wise up to it now and fewer are enlisting than ever before
Young working class man too poor to pay rent: "Man, I'd kill to go to college."
Recruiter: "Allow me to introduce myself!"
Really impressive work here
nince you mentioned IFF marks in games, reminds me of how Ace Combat series (made by Japanese devs) handle this so differently: Not only they show the unnecessary yet deliberate or inevitable destruction of civilians / infrastructures, also they made the IFF unreliable to show how chaotic battleground can be. Friendly fire occur from time to time, and some are caused by the player or against the player, there's even a scene, one of your teammate being deliberately tagged as enemy by superior, so they can get him killed.
All the biggest games in the 2000s were about war, "coincidentally" during the peak of the Iraq/Afghanistan wars. I think it was a form of subliminal programming of a pro-war mindset. Halo, ⚙️ of War, Call of Duty, SOCOM, Tom Clancy games etc.
Wow. I was appalled at the video when I saw it and had absolutely no idea that COD ripped the mission from that, well, what looks like a war crime. There’s no way for them to know who they’re killing. Dude. That makes me sick.
My countrys military has some top notch propaganda videos too like actual movie quality. Funniest thing is that its not even necessary since we have mandatory conscription.
then those ads aren't for recruitment those ads are made for politicians to embezzle from the ads funds
@@Ashraf-Hrira i doubt that would be very profitable since teh military doesnt have any money to begin with.
@@Matias-dr3ys if they don't have any money then why and how they making those ads?
@@Ashraf-Hrira Maybe cuz they're spending it all on propaganda movies or you know the fact a movie is probably less expensive than an entire army.
They aren't necessary, but they do help. There's huge day and night difference between conscript who came serve his time and a motivated one who considers making a career out of the army.
14:19 to comment on this, this is actually a fairly realistic detail. the use of IR strobe lights on equipment is a method used by the military to help air crews identify friend from foe. of course, this goes both ways, but in this mission the people youre fighting done have anything of the sort so it works out fine.
While watching i paused the video to watch the ac130 footage and look at the comments and its so horrifying how many people can see that and joke about it. turning the literal death of people into jokes referencing a damn video game.
The game version also looks Identical to Real Life version which could've been done on Purpose
First time on the internet? Also, them being Talibans doesn't make it easier.
@@Blind_Hawk it's far from my time being on the internet dude, I can still be disgusted regardless dude. Like how I've been disgusted at people loving gore videos and cartel executions, I know it's nothing new but I still can be disgusted at it.
@@CassHoman okay olay calm down can't take a joke eh? It was the refejce to the "first time" meme you snowflake.
@@hurricane7727 Of course it's done on purpose. Otherwise I'd feel cheap and not authentic.
I mean, this worked on me. Just finished my three years as an infantry soldier in the US Army.
make sure you use your GI Bill homie! 4 years of college to give you more time to figure out what you want to do, all on uncle sam's dime!
@@Br0ckR0cket The GI Bill doesn't give you 4 years, it gives you 3.
0:11 if you’re wondering what this scene is from, its from transformers 2007
This video feels like a Metal Gear Solid Cutscene
16:36
It’s disgusting that the people we entrust to protect our country can have such a disregard for human life in the way Call of Duty villains do.
what strikes me most is how we (as a society) accepted war as entertainment while at the same time avoid to show the real consequences in our news coverage. although sometimes tough to watch, i think aljazeera is doing a good job on making the human suffering during such conflicts visible by not censoring.
Watched this and your other call of duty video, extremely thoughtful and well done. I grew up with these games and the zombies mode is an occasional guilty pleasure of mine but I do see them significantly differently than I did when I was a kid - military propoganda is definitely an appropriate framing after playing through them as an adult. And they consistently frame people committing atrocities as tough men making "difficult decisions" but ultimately doing the right thing to keep everyone safe. I think it is insidious and it's fair to treat the stories these games tell in the same critical way as we would movies or books, at the end of the day it is media that is consumed by tens of millions of people and it would be crazy to think that has no impact on our minds even if we aren't consciously aware of it. As a kid, I remember thinking the people I saw in the games as cool and even an example of a badass to aspire to and that's a scary thing to consider now.
Great work, I appreciated your arguments a lot. I'll check some of your other stuff out too and the links you shared.
Wait the snarky "Yeehaw" Quips are based on actual military recordings not Hollywood. That's deeply disturbing...
You should look into the ArmA series. Especially 2 and it's DLC campaigns.
I love ArmA.
"Ehrm most modern fps's are just military propganda"
My brother in christ it worked triple the defense budget
Great English
^not even enlisted in the state guard
Yo you might need to reword this
“Guys trust me we need to beat the bad guys, they’ve got snoop dog and Nicky menaje
What's funny is these games made me hate war and governments. I got an antiwar reading of COD as a kid and still prefer that reading of some of these games, and I know I'm not the only one who came out of a childhood of COD as an obnoxious lefty.
Absolutely same, they're designed to be as marketable as possible, and the interviews with the devs show this. Coincidently the AC130 mission is a perfect example of this, It's been admitted that half the inspiration was, look how "scary and dehumanising this is" and the other half is "look how much of a power trip this is".
The argument is that with this marketability they don't express a clearer message. it's a litmus test that only strengthens your own bias.
P.s. it's also just fun to play as a game and as a setting. like me a plugged in Propaganda slave who lived in a decommissioned ww2 airfield and my buddy who grew up in a anti-game, anarchist household that only recently bought the Television, can still sit down and have fun due to it's thin vail of Realism. LIke a fucked up version of Cops and robbers.
The anti war quotes in call of duty are the best
Wild seeing this after the US government recently said they wanted gamers to enlist
19:16 man, as bad as that is it's NOTHING compared to the close-up, HD, color footage flooding mainstream websites like Reddit and Twitter out of places like Ukraine of sometimes Ukrainian but mostly Russian troops being blown up, shot, burning to death, having grenades dropped on them while they sleep and bleeding to death as explosion after explosion tears them apart a little more while they're still alive. I've seen some awful shit. Like a young man sleeping in a hole in the ground when a grenade is dropped right on his face by a drone, destroying it but not killing him. And he just sits there in a daze, blind because his eyes are gone, probably deaf as well, pawing at the chunks of meat and bone hanging off his head, which were a face just a moment ago, now completely shredded beyond recognition. And maybe the most disturbing part is the comments. People cracking jokes, talking about how cool it is, calling them pigs or "orcz," literal dehumanization, and if you try and point out how disgusting that is you just get shouted down as a "Russian troll" or whatever. It's terrifying how much depravity people seem capabale of enjoying when theyre given the flimsiest of excuses to think of it as justified. I haven't watched any of that stuff in a while but I'm honestly not sure what ultimately disturbs me more: the images I saw or the sadistic glee of hundreds of people staring at a screen from the safety of the other side of the world watching people die brutal, excruciating deaths in terror most of us could never imagine.
0:47 The “id” in id Software is pronounced as a single word. Like in “id, ego, and superego.” It is not an abbreviation.
Also, “shareware” was the practice of releasing a portion of the software for free, like a demo or trial run, while promoting full registered version as a paid product, back then via mail-order.
What you were describing about WADs and unencrypted files that were easy to create and edit would be better described as “open source.” Fitting, since the source code for Doom is available to the public for free.
Plus, the games you showed that were “Doom clones” never used the same engine. They just looked like doom because of the 2.5D level design, sprite-based enemies, and limited color palette with primitive blending. Witchaven actually used an early Build engine, the one used in the biggest Doom clone of the 90s, Duke Nukem 3D.
Honestly, the whole Doom section needs rewriting as it is woefully inaccurate.
Pulling a trigger in a video game is much easier than in real life. There are no respawns in real life. There is no XP or camo grinding, and there are no custom loadouts for the vast majority.
Incredible video. Severely underrated and well made
video games have always been about war ever since space invaders and missile command. i'm just not sure how practical it ever was at actually helping a real military.
People have been telling stories about war for thousands of years, it's in human nature
This video and your channel in general are so underrated!
Your final conclusion really made it clear that the military and with that a lot of world governments are actually preparing people for a world where war is more common place.
Just look at how people are just glorifying the horrible deaths caused by fpv drones in the war in ukraine.
And of course Hideo Kojima predicted this in Metal Gear Solid 4.
What was Hideo Kojimbo predicting with Death Stranding?
@technoruffles7747 Well with Death Stranding he predicted the effect that major catastrophes may have on our social connections and well being. That's why the focus in the game lies to reconnecting people.
At first people mocked this idea and called it a walking simulator. But when Covid hit they understood it's messaging way better.
MGS was way to smart for its time.
@@John-kd2tcjust like death stranding
Has anybody here played Arma CWC/ Operation Flashpoint Cold War Crisis?
It's one of my alltime favourites, and although I haven't played many games, especially modern ones,
it still stands out as a masterpiece. It was made in 2001 and it contains more realism than 90%+ of shooters I see today. Today it's all about sensory overload really.
About propaganda, Idk... Of course USA is portrayed well and USSR rouge general as a villain, but it does not seem like brainwashing. Maybe I have missed the point, but there it is.
If I had grown up on war-games being short and bitter, similar to Tarkov or worse, I would have been a different person.
We truly live in a Dystopia
We live in a cyberpunk society but minus the aesthetic and technology.
War on screen is fun though
Thank god i only play Zombies in COD 😭
I only ever played zombies as a kid and multiplayer on a lan with my brothers. But I generally refuse to play campaigns unless I go in with a very critical mindset. It was depressing to see modern zombies get blended with the campaign because of that.
Yeah I only like mp and zombies.
This is the genre of games that restored my faith, and gratifyingly so, in gaming.
you deserve way more subs dude
*19:02** same from medal of honor 2010.*
ARMA was one of the coolest games!
To be honest, I used to think like that since I was playing a lot of these games especially the SOCOM games in my early childhood. Still, I think it’s not very nice that we dehumanize the enemy IF they aren’t a terrorist organization and aren’t committing war crimes like a regular Tuesday for them.
The dehumanizing of the civilian population I think gave rise to the beheadings and public executions the radical factions of the population decreed. Since all they had known for ten years was nothing but chaos and fear, bombings and disordered martial take-overs, they grew up into reflections of this dehumanized environment who couldn't tell humanity from inhumanity, and finally snapped in orgiastic mass murder frenzies aimed at overturning the US occupied allied governments. . all the while broadcasting it on the internet to us.
Solid video, subbed
That AC130 mission always made me feel really uncomfortable
I think by design it was meant to make you uncomfortable. There's no soundtrack that plays during the entire mission, most of it the audio is just an occasional disembodied radio voice and the hum of your plane. There is only impersonal mechanized mass death to observe, and it looks almost exactly the same as how it's done in real life. Probably one of the few missions in COD history that breaks the 4th wall the hardest.
@@queuedjar4578 But was it really? It was one of most liked missions, after finishing it, you could play it again for high score. And how do you get the high score? You keep the combo multiplier up by continuing leveling the buildings during the down time. You see, destroying any building unnecessarily is a war crime, but we are never told that. As long as you don't touch the church it's all good.
@@armeniangenocide5778 There is no scoring function in base CoD4, you're thinking of the alternate arcade mode. And if I recall correct, leveling buildings doesn't add to score in that mode only kills.
That's the point.
It's meant to make you uncomfortable.
Why do think ESRB existed in the first place?
There's plenty of Violent and Distrubing games out there NOT made for Children and those who don't grow a pair of balls.
@@armeniangenocide5778Bro it’s a game
really awesome video
the transformers scene's 😩🤌
Apathy is scary
The best military game is metal gear solid VR missions
Where is the background ambiance from? What's the name of it?
Can't believe I missed that citation
It's "Metropolis" by Marc Giguere, just pasted the link in the description!
@@datamalecouks you check my reply please? The one in another video
@@datamale Thanks! TH-cam actually didn't give me a notification of your reply.
which game is it at 00:17 ?
Just wait until this guy finds out about six days in fallujah
Games were fun as hell. Thank you military industrial complex for insurgency sandstorm 🙏🙏🙏😭
What are your thoughts on World at War?
Thanks for bringing me here algorithm
That's why there are so few science fiction/ rpg fps now, comparing to the late 90s, 2000s and early 2010s
Cod 4 Nintendo ds also has a Gun ship Mission like the one in Cod 4.
only 15k views on this gem is a warcrime
CoD is cool and all, but I've been brainwashed to become an ODST and take down Covenant bastards
this is crazy.
I admit to video games being partially responsible for why i joined the military and i absolutely loved my time and regret nothing from that experience. Lol
I did 7 years, now have 2 degrees working on the third. A large family and make good money on the outside. I opted to do a combat job, but only 10% of the jobs are combat affiliated and anyone can benefit from this experience because you all get the same benefits.
weirdo
@texanarchy666 successful weirdo*
Hows the PTSD
@cohengamertv6548 I watch door ways and play a role in Team safety at my kids public events. I also have fuck you money to do things I only dreamed of growing up in the projects. So vibing I guess.
Scary to think video games are enough to get someone to enlist. I mean, I'm enlisting to be able to retire one day, but still. If you really want to dedicate three of some of the most important years of your life because it "looks cool" then man do you have another thing coming
You should rethink enlistment. Is retirement worth the atrocities?
@@sagehewson3950 I’m Canadian. Our army either trains or does peacekeeping.
Its Bullshit
Transformers moment
As a Canadian, our military has participated pretty regularly in wars post WWII, Libya, Yugoslavia, Korea, Afghanistan, the gulf War, Iraqi Civil War, dude we have been getting involved wdym?
If you think joining the Canadian military was moral or good unlike joining the US one, id like to remind you, canadians aren't exactly angels. Yes we did do some things abroad, but a vast majority of things we did, was just accompanying the US around whenever we did choose to get involved.
Heck, you do know we are fighting on the side on the same team as Israel in the red sea right now, right?
Guess I should have watched this before I left a comment on the last video lol
Shareware is not what you think it is. It just means part of the game is free to redistribute for free. Not that it’s “files are openly accessible to users” that’s how every single game on PC always has been. Wolfenstein and Commander Keen were also shareware games. Despite all the misinformation about doom the rest of the video is pretty good. Just please research everything better. It only takes a single Google search to discover that and it can cast doubt over the rest of the essay.
Theyre fun games. This also isnt a problem considering it’s pretty much a given that it would be this way. Obviously the games are going to put things in a patriotic light,
@@AR15andGOD onb i couldn't care less if the game I'm playing is propaganda. If it's fun consider me sold fr
@@JessePinkman_yeaso you’re basically admitting you’re a sheep.
@mrXilien_ nerd ahh response "Your a sheep" bro. How about I couldn't care less about anything political wise. Plus. It brought us insurgency sandstorm and the good call of duties.
I remember being 12. Good times.
You can still enjoy the games, guys. I do too. It's called media literacy and critique, the point isn't to tell you you're wrong for playing and liking the game.
I understand your points, sorry for being condescending with my original reply. You can absolutely still like a piece of media that has problematic elements. But I do think it’s important not to EXCUSE those problematic elements, and at least recognise that they’re present
Recruiting soldiers seems like missing the large picture of propaganda, which is to shape culture and indocrinate people to see US and company as the "good guys".
Did you end up playing 6 days?
The idea that call of duty is military propaganda is boneheadedly stupid. The actions of the US Government are criticized in MW and MW2. WaW also doesnt hold any punches on what war really means.
They’re slightly criticized but they’re still painted as the good guys
@@letsdothisshiat1162 slightly criticized? The US in WaW use flamethrowers on conscripted soldiers (they speak Korean). General Shepherd caused WW3 on his own with the supposedly real villain (makarov) being a puppet of an American.
Mw2019 takes a real war crime and frames the Russians for it and paints them as blood thirsty killers who torture civilians. The writers said to "not think about that" when asked if the game is political. Figure this out, homie.
@@blackagent4754 Yeah but does that change the US critical stance of at least 3 games? BO CW is also US critical.
@@blackagent4754That was one time in one game, the game which I’d say has the most nuances in the series
There isn't really anything I disagree on in the video. Generally good points.
But what I also think is true is war, and enlisting to go to war has been a constant throughout history. I don't know if you could ever put people off volunteering or glorifying war. Young men have always felt the need to test themselves in the cauldron of combat. I don't think that will ever change unless we can fundamentally rewire our biological instincts.
Sitting here in a relatively rich country, I am reminded by the fact that the reason I am relatively rich on a global scale is because of the conquests of my ancestors. If they didn't take up the call to fight, then my life would likely be much less comfortable. And this is true for most rich countries. Unfortunately, that's a fact of human history. It's not good, but it's just what reality is. The only real way to stop this cycle is to manipulate our biology, which may eventually happen.
It didn't. People who like one just tend to like the other.
To be honest I think it can be a good thing for some people. The lack of empathy for other human lives makes someone more ready to take one in a necessary situation of course certain comments are disrespectful and its insane that in that footage real people are dying just like that and no one really minds but as harsh as it sounds its good that its that accurate because that's how life can be. If you want to stay alive in war you can't sit there and empathize with the lives you have to take you just do it(obviously only if there's no other way) And besides, without glorifying war by making it look cool with movies and games I don't know who would volunteer to be fight in one.
that’s the point. people shouldn’t want to volunteer to fight in a war, that’s a bad thing.
Why would you *want* people to volunteer to fight wars? This is *US* we're talking about, they create momentary wars because it's profitable to them as the country has no notable industry besides warmongering. The less people volunteer to add fuel to that brazier, the better
I fucking love war
Oorah, brother. Semper fi. Now here's how you make explosives fellow non-fed...😎👮
Because you never been in one.
@Hellock_222
You're a clown to assume the classical liberal attitude has been the norm for all of history. Your average Roman Legionaries for instance; would find sacrificial life as the highest honor. Individualism has made modern people weak, that is why they are so psychologically vulnerable to war.
You sound like sundowner 😂
Rage bait always makes me laugh
War game reference war, shocking news
Only fools are shocked by this.
You missed the point
@timrosswood4259 no I didn't, the point was "war game reference war" pretty straightforward for anyone currently living under a military industrial complex
you must not have watched the whole video
100 percent commented by someone who hasn’t reached high school yet 😂
Yeah but videos online of people getting killed has went way down in popularity in the last few years like Funker530 and channels and websites like that used to be awesome
damn your videos especially this one are heavily underrated, western culture is way too desensitized about all of this type of stuff
If I could offer my thoughts:
I don't think they should have made the AC-130 mission that close to a reenactment but I don't think it was necessarily wrong to make an AC-130 mission.
I get where your coming from with the desensitization, and I have seen it in action before, however, I like playing these games not because of the "harmless" killing but the lack of it. I love strategy, tactics, and shooter style games. They allow me to do this kind of stuff without paying vast amounts of money for air soft or to actually do the unthinkable and kill people. I have never even gone hunting despite loving guns and shooters, because I don't want to kill a deer or even just a squirrel!
Also I think that your point on the America's Army game being marketed for "Children" a little deceiving. If the children were 5 years old, yeah we shouldn't be showing them this kind of stuff. If they're 16 then its fine for most people. 16, only 2 years away from being an adult, and they're making plans for the future. I don't see anything wrong about them playing shooters and deciding to go join the military.
And lastly, Modern Warfare and such games advertise themselves as being "immersive shooters" and are M rated, therefore if your going to be playing them you should be mature enough to handle it. Its not an issue with the game, but rather the people who let their children play those games.
This is just a note, there are developers like the team who made "Isonzo" who detail their maps and missions like real world ones, but they do put an emphasize on how horrendous the fighting was, the lives that were lost, and the toll for people afterward. There are games like the upcoming "Forever Winter" game that is a shooter and the whole principle is how horrid war is.
Anyway, have a good day, hope I offered a reasonable counter opinion!
mmhmm a “lack of ocd” is what’s killing people for sure.
Get some
Arma series players: 😅
To be fair, ARMA’s always had an anti-war stance. It’s realistic in its portrayal but to the point where it’s unforgiving. The stories touch on the civilian cost and the deaths can often come across as completely unfair. One DLC is all about how indiscriminate bombing and landmines affect the population.
@@sainsburyshopper nice comment, cant confirm, tho. PLayed only online. Oof, player unknown battlegrounds mod for whole night, with friends who are in this sim for first time... very nostalgic
War is part of man’s nature and all games are a simulation of war, there’s no surprise for me that our video game industry would find a market in making games about war: we live for it and in this age of disgusting relative pacifism many men have to seek a surrogate for war, videogames are a significant option, if there was no one that wanted war there wouldn’t be a war, however war is part of who we are and it will not cease to exist as long as we exist as a species, and obviously, games that are surrogates to war won’t be going anywhere either.
I don’t understand this sort of moralism, war is an obvious thing in life, same for violence and the same for games.
I think the use of doom in the video is kinda clickbaity since it's essentially a mod.
Otherwise, interesting video.
But the start and it would be. They would because they would have to develop it themselves and that took a genius of numbers to do. Doom already provided everything. The tools and even books.
Also HolloWood where all the famous are, I haven’t look far back too much but I imagine they took advantage of our entertainment in many ways and their interests haven’t changed much in 60+ years. The potential of fps video games was probably seen from the beginning. The soldiers playing were also probably being examined like animals in the wild.
hows that clickbait? its super crucial to the documentary
Marine Doom, then