TIMSTAMPS Intro - 1:17 The problems with the games representation of the Cold War - 3:32 Russell Adler, the CIA and MKUltra - 5:49 Humanising the USSR - 13:07 Conclusion - 16:30
@@TheKavernacle Didn't the Soviet Union perform a certain experiment on trying to turn Siberia into an agricultural hub, and they did so by rounding up anyone and everyone they could to meet a particular quota, even equating arrests by indicating certain people didn't have their identification papers... Even though they did... but just to fill that quota. And then proceeded to ship them across by train in cattle cars, cramped like the Jews headed to death and labor camps in National Socialist Germany, many dying before even arriving at their first destination. And then proceeded to crowd them onto boats, and then proceeded to shoot those who had enough courage to attempt to escape, and just left their bodies to float downstream... And then upon arriving to their destination, found out that the people sent to turn the location into an agriculture hub, were given only a day's worth of flour, with nothing to actually begin a settlement, and merely the clothes on their back... And after only 24 hours, cannibalism set in. And after merely a few weeks, of the 6000 people sent, only 2000 were able to escape from the island with their lives. And the eye-witnesses were told to never speak of it, lest they be arrested. And the only reason we even know about this is because a particular KGB officer actually performed his due diligence and was able to get some testimonies from the people who were party to it. And the two men essentially responsible got off Scott Free for some time, until several years later the very system they upheld with brutality, turned on them brutally. And the whole thing was dubbed "Cannibal Island"? And this was not, at all, an isolated incident, but similar incidents occurred that didn't come to light due to the repressive nature of a system of government that you're trying to humanize? I'm not saying America is any better. But the dishonesty in trying to defend a shitty regime is just as pathetic as trying to defend this god awful nation. Simply because of pathetic contrarianism... At least here, you can speak out against its stupidity... For the most part. Today, you still couldn't speak out against the current Russian regime, or else off to prison.
It's just not _"pro"_ US. But extremely softly, like you have to be wanting to specifically find reasons for it to even start to seem _"neutral"_ . Otherwise the revisionism is just too blatant and overt.
Haven't played the game but from what I can tell from this, in war there is no true "good guy". But I am go with people who do not commit a nuclear holocausted as the significantly lesser of two evils, by lightyears. What should not even be a question in my mind. When picking sides you actually need look at both sides, one may be bad and self-serving but the other are fucking monsters. At least in the game, in real life it is more complex.
@@Zuke89 this is more pointing out the subtle anti- us things in it. It’s still overwhelmingly pro-America and anti communist. It’s overt if you play the campaign
@@joefrantzen4726 I do agree the COD games are overwhelmingly pro-America (I am pro-America), and the USSR in real life didn't want a nuclear war more then America. But I find weird that anyone can took the take that this video, not the critical of America part mind you. I would ad I haven't play the game myself, so maybe I'm missing something.
The exchange between the boss and the employee trying to write a letter was oddly wholesome. Like maybe it's just my tumblr brain worms getting to me but I feel like I could write a strangers to friends to lovers slow burn fanfic about them based on just this one interaction
Artists often seem to be able to put subversive content into corporate produced art. It may just be playing off the zeitgeist, but either way it is a decent sign of the overton-window having shifted and shows that we can use art to propagate leftism to many.
Victor Reznov was a communist in world at war and Black Ops but stopped chemical weapons from ending up in the hands of either the west or the soviets, so I don't think Black Ops portrayed every communist as completely evil at least
I mean, the first mission you meet him, he's in a gulag... and MW2 has a mission in a gulag to rescue Price. The former mission has a freaking minigun in its armory... and an attack helicopter. Did they even have miniguns back then? Isn't having a freaking helicopter for a bunch of (presumably disarmed) former PoWs and dissidents in the middle of a frozen taiga kinda bad allocation of resources?
In the original modern warfare trilogy and to some degree in the new game the American military is kind if misguided, incompetent and antagonistic while the British are always on the right path to actually defeating their enemies. In MW1 the marines invade with no chance of getting al Assad and they literally all die. While it’s the SAS captain price and his team that actually complete the goals for the Americans. In MW2 the Americans are literally the enemy in the later parts and while the friendly Americans win victories in huge battles they are really just empty victories when compared to stopping the real root of the problem, makarov who captain price’s are really able to get In MW3 the US has price and soap the heroes on their most wanted list getting in the way of Price actually defeating makarov.
World at War shows that US Marines were dehumanizing their enemy in the Japanese, and didn't particularly care about their dignity. Killing them was all that mattered, how was not important. Even Black Ops and Black Ops II showed that the US wasn't perfect in any real way. Especially when considering that they showed the failed Bay of Pigs operation right at the start in Black Ops. And Black Ops II showed that the CIA unintentionally created Menendez because Woods was a loose cannon who was unhinged with a personal vendetta. Hudson was not to be trusted, even though he was a friend of Woods and Mason. All while Hudson spent hours unlawfully interrogating Mason to figure out the numbers and what they meant... Its a very interesting take to come to the conclusion that COD is some USA simp, when everyone's most important take away from its birthing games was that of Russia and Stalingrad, like that of CoD:WWII. When everyone complained about it being simply an American Story. When it wasn't the first "American" Story, but simply a re-envisioning of Call of Duty 2: Big Red One. This dude is taking quite a take when I'm not looking at CoD through rose tinted glasses and realizing CoD takes a lot more jabs at the US because at least we can take it. But god forbid you criticize precious Communism: "It was never truly applied properly," Alright, cool. By that thought process, neither has Capitalism or Democracy been applied properly.
@@JohnDoe-wt9ek There are other systems of economics, besides communism and capitalism... like socialism- Oh wait, that's totally communism- Cause a capitalist said so. So is Europe capitalist or not? If it is, why can't we be more like that kind of capitalism? If it isn't then it obviously isn't dictatorship and gulags. So why can't we be more like that?
CoD since maybe 4 has always been developed in close connection to the american government, so the game turning out like this raises some serious questions about how this game was created & why they didn't choose to pull the plug.
Because the game isn't created with close ties to the american government. They hired some vets for consulting and mocapping but thats not much different than any other movie or game.
@@technoruffles7747 technically a lot of movies and games do have direct ties or sponsorship of the US Armed Forces. I am 95% sure they sponsored some if not all of the Transformer movies and other super hero movies, and Battleship was an extended US Navy ad.
@@brib6046 for a piece of media to utilize real American military vehicles, weapons and costumes they’re basically the executive producer. Anything that has anything regarding the real life military is propagandized.
Based on a video by Second Thought there was mention of the DOD being involved in movies portraying he US military. So their involvement with games also portraying elements of the US military and the covert operations isn’t far from reality.
It was pretty ballsy for Treyarch to give you the option to betray the CIA and side with the Russians given COD's very pro American anti communist roots and that's why it's my favorite COD campaign I loved siding with the Russians it was really satisfying to get revenge on Adler and have America's arrogance backfire on them through their arrogance and betrayal they created a monster. killing Mason and Woods was Pretty badass to.
it's absolutely ironic that the discourse surrounding CoD games is that they're absolutely propaganda because a pseudo-theory was able to unironicly indoctrinate & polarize Human beings who watch videos about 'propaganda' of war games (such as CoD etc.) being 'overzealous' while projecting of being the inverse of what's being theorized against for.
USA: "protect our way of life from a great evil" USSR "our very way of life is under threat from the capitalists" Pretty cool to see that same sentiment reflected between both nations
My contention about the Vietnam level is that the dehumanization might be intentional. It’s not meant to be a realistic portrayal of the war. It’s the pop interpretation of Vietnam. Where there’s always a classic song playing to show how awesome it was. Where literally every single person in an entire valley is an evil VC you must violently destroy. Where bringing a nuke to Vietnam “as a precaution” isn’t to be treated as anything other than a brilliant play. And where “the good guys” win the day.
Green light was a real thing, just not in the way the game depicted. Instead of the nukes being in the cities there were “green light teams” who would air drop or covertly insert in the event of an invasion, with the nuclear weapons
Imo I'm not a fan of his tankie elements and enablism of Russia's imperialism just because Nato exists. Otherwise I don't see any issues. Then again I disagree with quite a few youtube leftists on foreign policy and international relations, with Vaush being the closest to me I know so far.
Kinda like saying that marvel is not pro us because there's some loght criticism but in the end all that criticism is always justified by the enemies being the "greater evil", the system being able to be "reformed" and the people opposing such system and coming up with such criticisms always ending up being unequivocally bad and criminal
Ronald Reagan being on the dirtiest and biggest scum US ever had as president really cements the feeling the shit we are doing in this game isn't right. If you choose to lie it's a cannon option because rest of the black ops series is jumbled mess. Regan was the CIA 's puppet.
Aren't Pierogi polish? Those are delicious. I know it isn't the point if anything in the video or the game. Just commenting on the soviet saying the food in Poland was terrible.
I really wish cod or treyarch or raven just got to make a separate single player Cold War game that shows how grey everything is instead of black and white
I'm not gonna write you an essay or anything, but I think this is kind of a bad take. The main sticking point is that you literally detonate a bunch of nukes and kill the characters from the first game when you choose to side with the soviets. It really seems to me like this was intended as a bad ending. I get that you're just trying to find nuance here, but I still think this whole series is rank propaganda and it always will be. Think about how mad gamers got when Joel gets killed in TLOU2. Killing Mason and Woods (a fan favorite) would have that same effect, and that's exactly what you do in this bad ending. I'd have more to say, but like I said, I don't really feel like turning this into an essay.
Reactionaries: "COD Cold War will be remembered for Yuri Bezmenov and it will be controversial because it triggers the left." Cold War was controversial because of rushed development and because it's essentially a downgraded version of Modern Warfare
the guys says nothing of substance with the utmost menacing vibe. commies bad, they subvert subvert subvert! uhmm isn’t that what the west does on a MUCH bigger scale?
Bro, this is pathetic. A _"Humanize"_ attempt is a weird way to describe surface level gesture that _maybe_ the soviets aren't all so bad. The way this series literally rewrites history, and all the politically illiterate people that will now gobble it up and spew it out as replacement for the actual happenings of history, does far more damage than this surface level pat could do as a _"Humanization"_ attempt. The word _"Humanization"_ is doing a lot of legwork here man. The Vietnam War part is especially disgusting. If you look at the actual, real-life, videos of Americans cold bloodedly slaughter even children and babies in Vietnam, bashing their heads into pavement because they could potentially become future _"Commie children"_ is disgusting. This game; company-Activition and the whole Series is just blatant historicist-Propaganda to set the Narrative background to justify everything the U.S. does. The Humanization in game of the Americans far outweighs the _"Hordish"_ portrayal of the opposing forces. This video sucks man, I know your intention is good, but once you see the things that happened, this _"humanization"_ just puts a bitter taste in your mouth.
I’ve made a whole video detailing why the series is so damaging with historical revisionism especially in regard to Vietnam. I wrote my dissertation on the Vietnam War so trust me I don’t let COD off the hook because I know how bad the US actions were in the war. th-cam.com/video/7wENJNdN2y4/w-d-xo.html
I think this is best game because after all this years, America always win in Hollywood Movies or Games. And always antagonising Russia yet Russia didn't do nothing wrong. The collapse of the Soviet Union forced Russia to form a Military Alliance with the Former Soviet States. I became Pro-Soviet in 2016 all because of media portraying Americans as a good guys while Russians became a bad guys.
When a whole country of people are always boiled down to cannon fodder for westerners to shot - and never have any positive or nuanced depictions in any media, despite not actually being the bad guys, then yes I’d say it adds to dehumanisation
@@TheKavernacle It’s an FPS shooter based game. The developers weren’t thinking about making a NPC that “really made you feel for them”. Where are your tears of out cry for games like Battlefield franchise, Gears of War, and Halo??? “Oh man I really wished Epic Games leveled with us on the Locust. Oh it feels like I’m dehumanizing the Russian people when I fight them in a fictional game”. And in all honesty if you play a game looking for a truly accurate portrayal of historical events, you gotta be the most naive person on planet earth. That is like walking into a Michael Bay movie, and hoping it’s not going to be a CGI blow fest in your face. COD BO, isn’t about the Vietnam war at all! It’s about some dude who got brainwashed to kill a former nazi. It’s just so happens to take place during the 60’s, when the red scare was very much a thing. Your take on American Media depiction of the Vietnam war was dog shit! You used a still from the movie Platoon, that movie showed more war crimes depicted by the US characters more than anything else. There’s even a gang rape scene and a village burning scene, oh but here you go using that still saying “Americans don’t do a good job showing US war crimes”. At the end there’s a US tank flying a Wehrmacht flag to represent a metaphor how the Americans became the stormtroopers. The very thing they sought to destroy. Overall your video is just dog shit. The naive approach of expecting devs, to humanize NPCs by not blowing them up first? Or because in the first game Black Ops once captured, the Vietnamese made the characters play Russian Roulettes and tortured them? A game about, oh I don’t know, Black Operations also known as agents take on classified objectives where they find themselves deep in enemy territory? To think that games overall is propaganda in anyway is foolish thinking. Anyone who has a high-school education knows the Bay of Pigs was basically illegal. Ya the Vietnam War was also a questionable conflict that still divides Americans to this day. And sure blowing up bad guys may seem bad. But to sum it all up, ITS A FUCKING VIDEO GAME!!! People wanna blow up the “bad-guys”.
@@modderssusck it's a fps with a story. There's nothing wrong with demanding a good story of a game that has dozens of sequels. It's just a video game is such a cop out. Just look at Last of us 2, the conflict between WLF and Seraphites are much more interesting
It was a bit dehumanizing when the disembodied voice tells me “dont check your targets there are only vc here” as you destroy a mile of shacks and bridges in some valley.
TIMSTAMPS
Intro - 1:17
The problems with the games representation of the Cold War - 3:32
Russell Adler, the CIA and MKUltra - 5:49
Humanising the USSR - 13:07
Conclusion - 16:30
@Master Chief says the country that dropped more bombs on Vietnam than the whole of bombs dropped in WW2 - dumbass
Got to love those "Timstamps". lol
@@TheKavernacle Stop Demonizing The USA And Humanizing Communists OK I'm Sick Of It
@@TheKavernacle Didn't the Soviet Union perform a certain experiment on trying to turn Siberia into an agricultural hub, and they did so by rounding up anyone and everyone they could to meet a particular quota, even equating arrests by indicating certain people didn't have their identification papers... Even though they did... but just to fill that quota.
And then proceeded to ship them across by train in cattle cars, cramped like the Jews headed to death and labor camps in National Socialist Germany, many dying before even arriving at their first destination.
And then proceeded to crowd them onto boats, and then proceeded to shoot those who had enough courage to attempt to escape, and just left their bodies to float downstream...
And then upon arriving to their destination, found out that the people sent to turn the location into an agriculture hub, were given only a day's worth of flour, with nothing to actually begin a settlement, and merely the clothes on their back...
And after only 24 hours, cannibalism set in. And after merely a few weeks, of the 6000 people sent, only 2000 were able to escape from the island with their lives.
And the eye-witnesses were told to never speak of it, lest they be arrested.
And the only reason we even know about this is because a particular KGB officer actually performed his due diligence and was able to get some testimonies from the people who were party to it.
And the two men essentially responsible got off Scott Free for some time, until several years later the very system they upheld with brutality, turned on them brutally.
And the whole thing was dubbed "Cannibal Island"?
And this was not, at all, an isolated incident, but similar incidents occurred that didn't come to light due to the repressive nature of a system of government that you're trying to humanize?
I'm not saying America is any better.
But the dishonesty in trying to defend a shitty regime is just as pathetic as trying to defend this god awful nation.
Simply because of pathetic contrarianism...
At least here, you can speak out against its stupidity... For the most part.
Today, you still couldn't speak out against the current Russian regime, or else off to prison.
Is it anti-US or just not pro-US?
It's just not _"pro"_ US. But extremely softly, like you have to be wanting to specifically find reasons for it to even start to seem _"neutral"_ . Otherwise the revisionism is just too blatant and overt.
@@KarmG-fo4xr No, it basically says _"US = good ; Other = Bad"_
Haven't played the game but from what I can tell from this, in war there is no true "good guy". But I am go with people who do not commit a nuclear holocausted as the significantly lesser of two evils, by lightyears. What should not even be a question in my mind. When picking sides you actually need look at both sides, one may be bad and self-serving but the other are fucking monsters. At least in the game, in real life it is more complex.
@@Zuke89 this is more pointing out the subtle anti- us things in it. It’s still overwhelmingly pro-America and anti communist. It’s overt if you play the campaign
@@joefrantzen4726 I do agree the COD games are overwhelmingly pro-America (I am pro-America), and the USSR in real life didn't want a nuclear war more then America. But I find weird that anyone can took the take that this video, not the critical of America part mind you. I would ad I haven't play the game myself, so maybe I'm missing something.
The exchange between the boss and the employee trying to write a letter was oddly wholesome. Like maybe it's just my tumblr brain worms getting to me but I feel like I could write a strangers to friends to lovers slow burn fanfic about them based on just this one interaction
Do it
Do it
Have you done it 😃
Artists often seem to be able to put subversive content into corporate produced art. It may just be playing off the zeitgeist, but either way it is a decent sign of the overton-window having shifted and shows that we can use art to propagate leftism to many.
It's pro-posadism
Call of duty made me posadist
Victor Reznov was a communist in world at war and Black Ops but stopped chemical weapons from ending up in the hands of either the west or the soviets, so I don't think Black Ops portrayed every communist as completely evil at least
I mean, the first mission you meet him, he's in a gulag... and MW2 has a mission in a gulag to rescue Price. The former mission has a freaking minigun in its armory... and an attack helicopter. Did they even have miniguns back then? Isn't having a freaking helicopter for a bunch of (presumably disarmed) former PoWs and dissidents in the middle of a frozen taiga kinda bad allocation of resources?
In the original modern warfare trilogy and to some degree in the new game the American military is kind if misguided, incompetent and antagonistic while the British are always on the right path to actually defeating their enemies.
In MW1 the marines invade with no chance of getting al Assad and they literally all die. While it’s the SAS captain price and his team that actually complete the goals for the Americans.
In MW2 the Americans are literally the enemy in the later parts and while the friendly Americans win victories in huge battles they are really just empty victories when compared to stopping the real root of the problem, makarov who captain price’s are really able to get
In MW3 the US has price and soap the heroes on their most wanted list getting in the way of Price actually defeating makarov.
What kind of name is soap? How a Muppet like you pass selection?
@@TheChicagogamer say what you want about him but he cleans up well.
World at War shows that US Marines were dehumanizing their enemy in the Japanese, and didn't particularly care about their dignity. Killing them was all that mattered, how was not important.
Even Black Ops and Black Ops II showed that the US wasn't perfect in any real way. Especially when considering that they showed the failed Bay of Pigs operation right at the start in Black Ops.
And Black Ops II showed that the CIA unintentionally created Menendez because Woods was a loose cannon who was unhinged with a personal vendetta. Hudson was not to be trusted, even though he was a friend of Woods and Mason. All while Hudson spent hours unlawfully interrogating Mason to figure out the numbers and what they meant...
Its a very interesting take to come to the conclusion that COD is some USA simp, when everyone's most important take away from its birthing games was that of Russia and Stalingrad, like that of CoD:WWII. When everyone complained about it being simply an American Story. When it wasn't the first "American" Story, but simply a re-envisioning of Call of Duty 2: Big Red One.
This dude is taking quite a take when I'm not looking at CoD through rose tinted glasses and realizing CoD takes a lot more jabs at the US because at least we can take it.
But god forbid you criticize precious Communism:
"It was never truly applied properly,"
Alright, cool. By that thought process, neither has Capitalism or Democracy been applied properly.
@@JohnDoe-wt9ek There are other systems of economics, besides communism and capitalism... like socialism- Oh wait, that's totally communism- Cause a capitalist said so. So is Europe capitalist or not? If it is, why can't we be more like that kind of capitalism? If it isn't then it obviously isn't dictatorship and gulags. So why can't we be more like that?
I want a game where you play as a Vietcong and the US is realistic aka evil
At least there's Wolfenstein.
Where you can shoot Nazis. Almost just as good
There is Rising Storm 2 Vietnam but it's multiplayer only and full of racists.
Maybe there can be call of duty: American civil war.
Noooo That's BeInG PolITiCal!
You'd get spawnkilled by american NPCs dropping agent orange on your village
CoD since maybe 4 has always been developed in close connection to the american government, so the game turning out like this raises some serious questions about how this game was created & why they didn't choose to pull the plug.
Because the game isn't created with close ties to the american government. They hired some vets for consulting and mocapping but thats not much different than any other movie or game.
@@technoruffles7747 technically a lot of movies and games do have direct ties or sponsorship of the US Armed Forces. I am 95% sure they sponsored some if not all of the Transformer movies and other super hero movies, and Battleship was an extended US Navy ad.
@@brib6046 for a piece of media to utilize real American military vehicles, weapons and costumes they’re basically the executive producer.
Anything that has anything regarding the real life military is propagandized.
Based on a video by Second Thought there was mention of the DOD being involved in movies portraying he US military. So their involvement with games also portraying elements of the US military and the covert operations isn’t far from reality.
It was pretty ballsy for Treyarch to give you the option to betray the CIA and side with the Russians given COD's very pro American anti communist roots and that's why it's my favorite COD campaign I loved siding with the Russians it was really satisfying to get revenge on Adler and have America's arrogance backfire on them through their arrogance and betrayal they created a monster. killing Mason and Woods was Pretty badass to.
I enjoyed that ending, but it hurt me to kill Mason and Woods. Two of my favourite characters in the entire COD franchise
it's absolutely ironic that the discourse surrounding CoD games is that they're absolutely propaganda because a pseudo-theory was able to unironicly indoctrinate & polarize Human beings who watch videos about 'propaganda' of war games (such as CoD etc.) being 'overzealous' while projecting of being the inverse of what's being theorized against for.
but Majima doesn't kill!
I wonder if that overrides the impact the teaser had. I'm pretty sure most people who really enjoyed the marketing just moved on.
Meh. I don't care about those teaser. I only care about endings.
@@TheStarcoMarco That’s a weird opinion.
This game honestly surprised me with the Campaign this time around.
USA: "protect our way of life from a great evil"
USSR "our very way of life is under threat from the capitalists"
Pretty cool to see that same sentiment reflected between both nations
That's human history in general.
My contention about the Vietnam level is that the dehumanization might be intentional. It’s not meant to be a realistic portrayal of the war. It’s the pop interpretation of Vietnam. Where there’s always a classic song playing to show how awesome it was. Where literally every single person in an entire valley is an evil VC you must violently destroy. Where bringing a nuke to Vietnam “as a precaution” isn’t to be treated as anything other than a brilliant play. And where “the good guys” win the day.
Good work putting this video together, I didn’t know about the alternate ending
Green light was a real thing, just not in the way the game depicted. Instead of the nukes being in the cities there were “green light teams” who would air drop or covertly insert in the event of an invasion, with the nuclear weapons
Fun fact: MKUltra made The UNABOMBER lol.
MkUltra and its consequences for the Us mail
Damn, you got almost as much haters as Vaush? What the fuck did you do? Your videos have been pretty objective and non offensive
Imo I'm not a fan of his tankie elements and enablism of Russia's imperialism just because Nato exists. Otherwise I don't see any issues. Then again I disagree with quite a few youtube leftists on foreign policy and international relations, with Vaush being the closest to me I know so far.
@@mallardofmodernia8092vaush is a complete ignorant so that should invoke some self reflection
Well that's surprising - interesting.
Kinda like saying that marvel is not pro us because there's some loght criticism but in the end all that criticism is always justified by the enemies being the "greater evil", the system being able to be "reformed" and the people opposing such system and coming up with such criticisms always ending up being unequivocally bad and criminal
Please tell me there's as scene where Reagan gets decapitated.
Ronald Reagan being on the dirtiest and biggest scum US ever had as president really cements the feeling the shit we are doing in this game isn't right. If you choose to lie it's a cannon option because rest of the black ops series is jumbled mess. Regan was the CIA 's puppet.
Aren't Pierogi polish? Those are delicious. I know it isn't the point if anything in the video or the game. Just commenting on the soviet saying the food in Poland was terrible.
The name is Polish, although they're also eaten in other Slavic counties.
Slavs have pierogi, from Greece to Iran you have dolmades, and SE Asia has all different types of dumplings ig
I wish we were still allowed to make films like apocalypse now
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I really wish cod or treyarch or raven just got to make a separate single player Cold War game that shows how grey everything is instead of black and white
I'm not gonna write you an essay or anything, but I think this is kind of a bad take.
The main sticking point is that you literally detonate a bunch of nukes and kill the characters from the first game when you choose to side with the soviets. It really seems to me like this was intended as a bad ending. I get that you're just trying to find nuance here, but I still think this whole series is rank propaganda and it always will be.
Think about how mad gamers got when Joel gets killed in TLOU2. Killing Mason and Woods (a fan favorite) would have that same effect, and that's exactly what you do in this bad ending. I'd have more to say, but like I said, I don't really feel like turning this into an essay.
@black bear Agreed.
Reactionaries: "COD Cold War will be remembered for Yuri Bezmenov and it will be controversial because it triggers the left."
Cold War was controversial because of rushed development and because it's essentially a downgraded version of Modern Warfare
It's campaign was more superior than Modern warfare when it comes to story
@@capital_of_texas Yeah.
I was suprised even though the game had some mistakes it did a good job at least understanding nuance.
So COD really pulled a KOTOR 7:26
Bezmonov was such an obvious grifter its insane
the guys says nothing of substance with the utmost menacing vibe. commies bad, they subvert subvert subvert! uhmm isn’t that what the west does on a MUCH bigger scale?
Call of duty had a "are we the baddies?" moment
i wanna play as a soviet or the opfor for once, not in the multiplayer or in a sandbox (aka ArmA).
Every time i see a commercial for this game i feel physically ill
good vid ngl cod is kinda a guilty pleasure of mine (though yes it is basically us military propaganda)
i think entertainment can still be enjoyed with the awareness of the narrative trying to be told to you. especially so, even.
@@user-jp8rh6ts6m That’s fair but still propaganda never less.
It's pro when cold war came to black ops it never change and also reboot of the modern warfare
WaW the best COD
so glad i found a based gaming youtuber
Wait.... Its not? I may just have to check it out then.
Bro, this is pathetic.
A _"Humanize"_ attempt is a weird way to describe surface level gesture that _maybe_ the soviets aren't all so bad.
The way this series literally rewrites history, and all the politically illiterate people that will now gobble it up and spew it out as replacement for the actual happenings of history, does far more damage than this surface level pat could do as a _"Humanization"_ attempt.
The word _"Humanization"_ is doing a lot of legwork here man.
The Vietnam War part is especially disgusting. If you look at the actual, real-life, videos of Americans cold bloodedly slaughter even children and babies in Vietnam, bashing their heads into pavement because they could potentially become future _"Commie children"_ is disgusting.
This game; company-Activition and the whole Series is just blatant historicist-Propaganda to set the Narrative background to justify everything the U.S. does. The Humanization in game of the Americans far outweighs the _"Hordish"_ portrayal of the opposing forces.
This video sucks man, I know your intention is good, but once you see the things that happened, this _"humanization"_ just puts a bitter taste in your mouth.
I’ve made a whole video detailing why the series is so damaging with historical revisionism especially in regard to Vietnam. I wrote my dissertation on the Vietnam War so trust me I don’t let COD off the hook because I know how bad the US actions were in the war.
th-cam.com/video/7wENJNdN2y4/w-d-xo.html
Well the Communist forces commited their own crimes. Vietnam was messed up and a good example of the Grey Side
@@TheKavernacle Some people will never be satisfied.
What about blaming the communist/Soviet union on the Iranian revolution of 79?
HMM! Im pleasantly surprised now
oh shit this makes me want to play this campaign
I think this is best game because after all this years, America always win in Hollywood Movies or Games. And always antagonising Russia yet Russia didn't do nothing wrong. The collapse of the Soviet Union forced Russia to form a Military Alliance with the Former Soviet States. I became Pro-Soviet in 2016 all because of media portraying Americans as a good guys while Russians became a bad guys.
but you do know about how bad living in the Soviet Union was. Government has control of everything
@@brndonlu9635have you realized it yet
I think people are all being toxic on everything. Just chill and try to anayze first.
Coping so hard
I have not bought this game because we're literally watching the rise of China, and I see why they banned it.
You are demoralised haha
So the VC in BOCW were dehumanized because the players blow them up?
When a whole country of people are always boiled down to cannon fodder for westerners to shot - and never have any positive or nuanced depictions in any media, despite not actually being the bad guys, then yes I’d say it adds to dehumanisation
@@TheKavernacle It’s an FPS shooter based game. The developers weren’t thinking about making a NPC that “really made you feel for them”. Where are your tears of out cry for games like Battlefield franchise, Gears of War, and Halo???
“Oh man I really wished Epic Games leveled with us on the Locust. Oh it feels like I’m dehumanizing the Russian people when I fight them in a fictional game”.
And in all honesty if you play a game looking for a truly accurate portrayal of historical events, you gotta be the most naive person on planet earth. That is like walking into a Michael Bay movie, and hoping it’s not going to be a CGI blow fest in your face.
COD BO, isn’t about the Vietnam war at all! It’s about some dude who got brainwashed to kill a former nazi. It’s just so happens to take place during the 60’s, when the red scare was very much a thing.
Your take on American Media depiction of the Vietnam war was dog shit! You used a still from the movie Platoon, that movie showed more war crimes depicted by the US characters more than anything else.
There’s even a gang rape scene and a village burning scene, oh but here you go using that still saying “Americans don’t do a good job showing US war crimes”. At the end there’s a US tank flying a Wehrmacht flag to represent a metaphor how the Americans became the stormtroopers. The very thing they sought to destroy.
Overall your video is just dog shit. The naive approach of expecting devs, to humanize NPCs by not blowing them up first? Or because in the first game Black Ops once captured, the Vietnamese made the characters play Russian Roulettes and tortured them? A game about, oh I don’t know, Black Operations also known as agents take on classified objectives where they find themselves deep in enemy territory?
To think that games overall is propaganda in anyway is foolish thinking. Anyone who has a high-school education knows the Bay of Pigs was basically illegal. Ya the Vietnam War was also a questionable conflict that still divides Americans to this day. And sure blowing up bad guys may seem bad. But to sum it all up,
ITS A FUCKING VIDEO GAME!!! People wanna blow up the “bad-guys”.
@@TheKavernacle its just a game bro!!!!!!
@@modderssusck it's a fps with a story. There's nothing wrong with demanding a good story of a game that has dozens of sequels. It's just a video game is such a cop out. Just look at Last of us 2, the conflict between WLF and Seraphites are much more interesting
It was a bit dehumanizing when the disembodied voice tells me “dont check your targets there are only vc here” as you destroy a mile of shacks and bridges in some valley.
You are demoralised haha