DONATION LINK AND AUTHOR'S CORRECTIONS BELOW ALLEN TX VICTIMS' FUND: gofund.me/019f9c50 Author's notes: At 20:12 I claim that "Zoey never actively asks for help", failing to recall the scene where she recruits Kip. I should have clarified that she never asks for help in a way that contributes to Zoe's character arc. The scene where Zoe recruits Kip focuses entirely on his redemption, rather than Zoe learning to ask for help. Priority here is given to Kip's decision, rather than Zoe's, which is why I still feel that this scene ultimately doesn't play into how Zoe develops as a character. At 22:53 I describe Ana as the film's take on the "Goth/ countercultural" association with school shooters. I wasn't clear enough about this being a shorthand stereotype relied on by the filmmakers, rather than any truthful statement. Dallas Sonnier was 19 when Columbine happened, and I'm sure the outcry surrounding the "trenchcoat mafia" as they were called played into his view of school shooters and by extension, the characterization of Ana. During the "Columbine" chapter, I mistakenly claim that Eric Harris was the one to ask a student if she believed in God. The truth is that, while Cassie was killed by Harris, it is generally accepted that Klebold asked the question to a student later mistaken for Cassie. I also want to make it clear: The story of who said yes is NOT up for debate. It's widely known and accepted that Valeen Schnurr was the girl who said yes, and the Cassie legend originated from mistaken eyewitness accounts and evangelical word-of-mouth. This is Valeen's story, and she ultimately should be able to tell it.
I find the bad guy gun choice pretty interesting to. Notice that none of them are using AR-15s or other popular school shooter, or gun culture guns. They're using a WW2 German SMG, a saw off shotgun and a pistol.
That's actually a really good observation that I completely missed. I thought the gun choice was just due to poor planning or that being the only prop they could get their hands on, I never considered that it could then serve as a deflection of criticisms of contemporary firearms discourse. The more you look at it, the more you realise bow meticulously this film was planned to distract its viewers from the important questions and issues.
The AR-15 is pretty much "America's rifle" nowadays because it's ubiquitous and, depending on manufacturer, affordable. This does unfortunately mean it gets used in a lot of firearms offences. Back in the 80s, ARs were expensive so the Ruger Mini-14 shared the notoriety the AR-15 does today. Before the Mini-14 there was the M1 Carbine (readily available as military surplus well into the 60s; there's a famous photo of Malcolm X brandishing one). That said, while there's always been an affordable semi-automatic rifle/carbine _du jour_ I don't think any of them achieved the degree of fame/notoriety the AR has, and I attribute that to the lack of online gun culture. Firearm-as-aesthetic / firearm-as-political-statement is the product of social media and the culture war.
@@rdrrr There's definitely an attempt being made, I think, to prevent the shooters having any of the guns that a gun owner would own, or to some extent would want to own.
Mass shootings can happen with bolt action rifles designed in the 1890s. Fussing over the specifics of the gun without addressing WHY people commit mass shootings just perpetuates the issue.
Perfect analysis! I don't think the writers intended this, but I read Zoe not as a brave, compassionate hero in the end but as someone undergoing a mental break from grief and giving into the blood lust she's always had. By the end, she kills another teenager (albeit one who tried to kill her) and leaves him to die alone and in pain. I think any average child would have a tough time killing anyone. But Zoe does it with a sense of dry satisfaction. It's clear from the beginning that Zoe needed real help and therapy, not only after her mother’s death but also in the opening flashback when she, as a child, kills the deer with a rock. Zoe displays some antisocial tendencies throughout the film.
"we have no idea why this happens or why it continues to happen but we're sure the best we can do is mitigate for it by arming everyone to the teeth" says only country in the world where this keeps happening Great video, horrible film
Truly an awful thing, I've heard the way theyre taught it school is essentially to brainwash kids into believing US is far better than any other country. Whereas the rest of the world sees them as a joke with too much power. The embodiment of more money than sense.
Having a few security personnel armed on a massive public school campus is hardly “arming people to the teeth.” San Francisco has already implemented armed officers on all college campuses and apartments. That city is about as liberal as it gets.
I admit - when you stated your disagreement with that other TH-camr that this film glorifies school shootings (a notion I sorta still agree with), and you said it did something worse I cocked my head. What could be worse than glorification? Then you said *normalization* and I froze. That was an excellent, and truly astute observation. The rest of your explanation made it make so much sense I'm ashamed I didn't see it before, and makes me recognize the DW as a different kind of evil.
Brilliant video, the analysis you gave was really interesting and I think shows what this movie was meant to be: Thinly Veiled Propaganda I want to add a few words about Kip. Beyond the glorification of self sufficiency, his "solution" in the film also perfect mirrors an all too normalized view on bullying, mostly by those that never got bullied: just move on. Stop listening. Don't let it get to you. I've lost count how many times I was told this by authority figures like teachers that would have had the power to actually do something about bullying. But they never did. Because apparentally, it was my fault for not being tough enough. Especially versions of "don't listen to them" or "don't let it get to you" are so insidious. Cause I tried that. I really did. I told myself that it worked and yet almost 10 years out of highschool and I'm still dealing with the long term trauma of severe bullying. Not listening simply doesen't work. Also grimly hilarious that even conservatives will represent the cops as bumbling and incompetent, especially after Ulvade. And the only lias enforcement person that seems to do anything is the Sheriff. Classic. It's also insane to me that they style the cliché Christian girl like she just walked straight out of Triumph of the Will. Real subtle there....
For sure it's a deeply flawed ideology, amounting to little more than telling someone to "pull yourself up by your bootstraps". It's as if they started from the end result, telling people to "just fix the problem yourself" and had to backtrack from there to keep their message somewhat consistent. It would almost be impressive if it wasn't so insidious and cowardly.
Yeah, I think the moment you tell people to bring forth their world view into creative arts, they reveal far more about their life experiences and what they really think than any other limited interaction they show on the internet. It's condescending to think that somehow, despite not having had to live through bullying, some people can feel entitled about "teaching" us how to be.
Wait until you find out about 90% of literature ever written in human history, and 99% of oral storytelling that existed in illiterate cultures. Have you read Lord of the Rings?
I don't have much to add to this excellent video just got to point out how weird it is that this guy 37:10 has a WW2 gun and it looks broken? Like the barrel is crooked and not at all lined up with the chamber? Weird choices all around
Hmmm...maybe, instead, once per year we can have a day when all laws do not apply and all crime is basically allowed. That way everyone can vent their anger and ...oh wait.... that movie already exists 😅
@@macguffinmuffin1156 Yeah, I was trying to keep it within the scope of the movie, but I see how it somewhat limits the scope of my criticism. Without saying too much, I recommend my video "How to radicalize a gym bro", for a more in depth criticism of that exact thing.
"God allows the wicked to be wicked so they can be judged", so.... making up a problem to be mad about? How are people still believing if there is a God that that god wants peace? Surely by now chaos is a far more believable goal of a higher power, makes way more sense?
Because that’s not what true Christians believe, we believe that God allows wickedness because of freewill. And he allows freewill because true love necessitates the active and willing participation of the other. He will not force you to love him back.
@@thecossackcrusaderofholybr8448 So you are saying that God creates innocent people to be tortured/killed/etc for entertainment by evil people who choose to not love God? Why do you worship such an incredibly evil deity?
@@romanw6636 Nope, not at all. You’re forgetting that God never wanted man to be wicked, man wanted to be wicked. God does not create people to be evil but rather that they may be good and do good unto others. It is the people who choose to be evil and do evil things against others. It was Cane’s choice to strike Abel dead.
DONATION LINK AND AUTHOR'S CORRECTIONS BELOW
ALLEN TX VICTIMS' FUND: gofund.me/019f9c50
Author's notes:
At 20:12 I claim that "Zoey never actively asks for help", failing to recall the scene where she recruits Kip. I should have clarified that she never asks for help in a way that contributes to Zoe's character arc. The scene where Zoe recruits Kip focuses entirely on his redemption, rather than Zoe learning to ask for help. Priority here is given to Kip's decision, rather than Zoe's, which is why I still feel that this scene ultimately doesn't play into how Zoe develops as a character.
At 22:53 I describe Ana as the film's take on the "Goth/ countercultural" association with school shooters. I wasn't clear enough about this being a shorthand stereotype relied on by the filmmakers, rather than any truthful statement. Dallas Sonnier was 19 when Columbine happened, and I'm sure the outcry surrounding the "trenchcoat mafia" as they were called played into his view of school shooters and by extension, the characterization of Ana.
During the "Columbine" chapter, I mistakenly claim that Eric Harris was the one to ask a student if she believed in God. The truth is that, while Cassie was killed by Harris, it is generally accepted that Klebold asked the question to a student later mistaken for Cassie.
I also want to make it clear: The story of who said yes is NOT up for debate. It's widely known and accepted that Valeen Schnurr was the girl who said yes, and the Cassie legend originated from mistaken eyewitness accounts and evangelical word-of-mouth. This is Valeen's story, and she ultimately should be able to tell it.
The only realistic part of this film is that the cops are useless and wrongfully arrest people.
Yes anarchy rules!! Until the first gang of black dudes Come To loot your house
I find the bad guy gun choice pretty interesting to. Notice that none of them are using AR-15s or other popular school shooter, or gun culture guns. They're using a WW2 German SMG, a saw off shotgun and a pistol.
That's actually a really good observation that I completely missed.
I thought the gun choice was just due to poor planning or that being the only prop they could get their hands on, I never considered that it could then serve as a deflection of criticisms of contemporary firearms discourse.
The more you look at it, the more you realise bow meticulously this film was planned to distract its viewers from the important questions and issues.
The AR-15 is pretty much "America's rifle" nowadays because it's ubiquitous and, depending on manufacturer, affordable. This does unfortunately mean it gets used in a lot of firearms offences.
Back in the 80s, ARs were expensive so the Ruger Mini-14 shared the notoriety the AR-15 does today. Before the Mini-14 there was the M1 Carbine (readily available as military surplus well into the 60s; there's a famous photo of Malcolm X brandishing one).
That said, while there's always been an affordable semi-automatic rifle/carbine _du jour_ I don't think any of them achieved the degree of fame/notoriety the AR has, and I attribute that to the lack of online gun culture. Firearm-as-aesthetic / firearm-as-political-statement is the product of social media and the culture war.
@@rdrrr There's definitely an attempt being made, I think, to prevent the shooters having any of the guns that a gun owner would own, or to some extent would want to own.
@@FBH991 Definitely; there's a conscious attempt to divorce gun violence from gun culture here.
Mass shootings can happen with bolt action rifles designed in the 1890s. Fussing over the specifics of the gun without addressing WHY people commit mass shootings just perpetuates the issue.
Perfect analysis! I don't think the writers intended this, but I read Zoe not as a brave, compassionate hero in the end but as someone undergoing a mental break from grief and giving into the blood lust she's always had. By the end, she kills another teenager (albeit one who tried to kill her) and leaves him to die alone and in pain. I think any average child would have a tough time killing anyone. But Zoe does it with a sense of dry satisfaction. It's clear from the beginning that Zoe needed real help and therapy, not only after her mother’s death but also in the opening flashback when she, as a child, kills the deer with a rock. Zoe displays some antisocial tendencies throughout the film.
I see the same. A psychological horror with no hero, only a corruption of the protagonist. But I don't think it was made with that in mind.
"we have no idea why this happens or why it continues to happen but we're sure the best we can do is mitigate for it by arming everyone to the teeth" says only country in the world where this keeps happening
Great video, horrible film
Truly an awful thing, I've heard the way theyre taught it school is essentially to brainwash kids into believing US is far better than any other country. Whereas the rest of the world sees them as a joke with too much power. The embodiment of more money than sense.
Having a few security personnel armed on a massive public school campus is hardly “arming people to the teeth.”
San Francisco has already implemented armed officers on all college campuses and apartments. That city is about as liberal as it gets.
Just because you dont hear about it, doesn't mean it dont happen in other countries to.
@@Swede1523Sure but the happen at a far, far more frequent rate in America
@EmperorofChinaItwillgrowlargerme when I lie
The end of this video hits you like a brick. Very well done as always!
I love how every single teenager in this movie has 25+ years
That's every American movie.
I admit - when you stated your disagreement with that other TH-camr that this film glorifies school shootings (a notion I sorta still agree with), and you said it did something worse I cocked my head. What could be worse than glorification? Then you said *normalization* and I froze. That was an excellent, and truly astute observation. The rest of your explanation made it make so much sense I'm ashamed I didn't see it before, and makes me recognize the DW as a different kind of evil.
Brilliant video, the analysis you gave was really interesting and I think shows what this movie was meant to be: Thinly Veiled Propaganda
I want to add a few words about Kip. Beyond the glorification of self sufficiency, his "solution" in the film also perfect mirrors an all too normalized view on bullying, mostly by those that never got bullied: just move on. Stop listening. Don't let it get to you. I've lost count how many times I was told this by authority figures like teachers that would have had the power to actually do something about bullying. But they never did. Because apparentally, it was my fault for not being tough enough. Especially versions of "don't listen to them" or "don't let it get to you" are so insidious. Cause I tried that. I really did. I told myself that it worked and yet almost 10 years out of highschool and I'm still dealing with the long term trauma of severe bullying. Not listening simply doesen't work.
Also grimly hilarious that even conservatives will represent the cops as bumbling and incompetent, especially after Ulvade. And the only lias enforcement person that seems to do anything is the Sheriff. Classic.
It's also insane to me that they style the cliché Christian girl like she just walked straight out of Triumph of the Will. Real subtle there....
For sure it's a deeply flawed ideology, amounting to little more than telling someone to "pull yourself up by your bootstraps".
It's as if they started from the end result, telling people to "just fix the problem yourself" and had to backtrack from there to keep their message somewhat consistent. It would almost be impressive if it wasn't so insidious and cowardly.
@@datamale Yet they think that's as simple as 123.
Yeah, I think the moment you tell people to bring forth their world view into creative arts, they reveal far more about their life experiences and what they really think than any other limited interaction they show on the internet. It's condescending to think that somehow, despite not having had to live through bullying, some people can feel entitled about "teaching" us how to be.
100%. This bullshit film just portraits what he really is: a lost cause liberal.
Illuminaughtii probably stole that opinion she expressed anyway
LoLz, I understood that reference.
I understood this reference and oh god, that's true
No way, I remember seeing trailers for this movie when I was a wee little middle schooler.
Radical Responsibility
by Lucky Black Cat
Hyper Individualism
by Second Thought
Choice Reductionism
by Piley Benton
It’s a power fantasy embarrassing brought to life by the people who bought you Netflix but racist
Someone get bro his meds
wait isnt her dad played by the guy that played frank castle in the older punisher movie?
Yep. Thomas Jane is the chap's name
This film just further convinces me conservatives live in a total fantasy world.
Wow. Okay, this movie is even more disgusting than I realized. 😒
Thank you for this, Data. Let me be one of the few to appreciate your message.
great chanell! I hope the algorythm will treat you good. I fear your topics aren't too ad-friendly, though
I'd be surprised to ever see an effective character arc based on conservative values.
Wait until you find out about 90% of literature ever written in human history, and 99% of oral storytelling that existed in illiterate cultures. Have you read Lord of the Rings?
@@skogib4846 Give me an arc then.
Not one that isn't in conflict with conservative values, but one that actually supports it.
I don't have much to add to this excellent video just got to point out how weird it is that this guy 37:10 has a WW2 gun and it looks broken? Like the barrel is crooked and not at all lined up with the chamber? Weird choices all around
very cool channel ur up a sub
Hmmm...maybe, instead, once per year we can have a day when all laws do not apply and all crime is basically allowed. That way everyone can vent their anger and ...oh wait.... that movie already exists 😅
big seventy-two virgins energy with this thing tbh
Too bad you missed the connection between action for actions sake to Umberto Eco's Ur-Fascism.
@@macguffinmuffin1156 Yeah, I was trying to keep it within the scope of the movie, but I see how it somewhat limits the scope of my criticism.
Without saying too much, I recommend my video "How to radicalize a gym bro", for a more in depth criticism of that exact thing.
"God allows the wicked to be wicked so they can be judged", so.... making up a problem to be mad about? How are people still believing if there is a God that that god wants peace? Surely by now chaos is a far more believable goal of a higher power, makes way more sense?
Because that’s not what true Christians believe, we believe that God allows wickedness because of freewill. And he allows freewill because true love necessitates the active and willing participation of the other. He will not force you to love him back.
@@thecossackcrusaderofholybr8448Annnnd, this is a good trade off, because?....
@@thecossackcrusaderofholybr8448 So you are saying that God creates innocent people to be tortured/killed/etc for entertainment by evil people who choose to not love God? Why do you worship such an incredibly evil deity?
@@romanw6636 Nope, not at all. You’re forgetting that God never wanted man to be wicked, man wanted to be wicked. God does not create people to be evil but rather that they may be good and do good unto others. It is the people who choose to be evil and do evil things against others. It was Cane’s choice to strike Abel dead.