Here in Texas we have small little dirt dobbers that love to build nests inside those mufflers. Without the screen the bugs can build their nests right inside the exhaust port! Best to just clean the screen and reinstall it
Depending on how tall the grass is, I usually try to keep the engine running at 1 constant speed and when I need a little more power I'll rev the engine up when it is needed.
Another fix is to pull the brass plug out underneath the carb bulb and lean out the carb a bit. Run it at high speed and make small incremental adjustments. These carbs are set a little rich from factory. I'm considering removing my spark arrestor screen. Are there any CONS to this?
Just the chance of fire. If you do remove it, run the engine at night and rev the engine from idle a few times and you see little glowing sparks fly out of the muffler.
I have the GT225 and and decided to replace the carburetor just for routine maintenance. It was running fine so I guess I should have let well enough do. Anyway, now when I run it full speed, it dies. Also if I flip it to edge, it cuts out. I've checked the fuel line filter to make sure it is properly at the bottom of the fuel tank. it simply will not run when I flip it to edge. Any suggestions?
hey man, thanks, this was a life saver, i thought my machine was a dead one, and i had the same model as you shown there, echo 225, i tried everything, but could,nt understand what was wrong so i looked it up, and when i did whar you said,about the muffler screen being clogged up, and yes it was, i cleaned it with a old tooth brush and some mix gas and it was super clean, put in back in the weeder and start her up, and it was life brand new, super power, thank again, and keep it up, you help alot of people ..............GOOD JOB
I've cleaned my carb and my plug but have yet to check that screen think you just saved me a whole bunch of headache awesome job and thanks for the vid!
The screen does two things. Acts as a spark arrestor (to eliminate a leaf fire, etc.), and acts like a cat., to burn off HCs. Small Eng Saloon did a test where red armor oil would clean up the screen after two tank fulls of gas mix. Chicanic did a video stating that the Stihl oil clogs the screen and causes carbon. I run my trimmer at slow speed.
Like a Beverly Hills cop with a banana stuck up the tail pipe th-cam.com/video/a_1OVYsLqMU/w-d-xo.html I mostly 1/2 throttle it when edging it but I will full throttle it in thick weeds.
Half throttle due to noise. I have a pas 230 and it's been ok. Replaced throttle cable and carburetor yesterday. Might need the whole throttle assembly control.
I found that when running a mulching blade head (which I do most of the time) short bursts are better than running a full rpm. Most of the mulching happens during the wind down of the rpm. Otherwise the head just bounces off the material.
I was told by my dealer to always run at full throttle when working it. These little engines have a centrifugal clutch that engage fully at full throttle so the clutch doesn't slip and wear out sooner.
Great video - super informative, high quality with good sound and straight to the point. My exact same Echo unit had this exact problem and your fix worked perfectly. I used carb cleaner and an old toothbrush. Only bad news is I can't hire a lawn service now :)
Great man, I never knew about this spark arrester screen and it seems by symptom to be the problem. But unfortunately, I messed up the spark plug wire and ignition coil by pulling to hard on the wire now i am waiting for the replacement as it has no spark now what so ever but was just running before i pulled on it and broke it. since i will have it apart i will also check this screen which i am sure now that it is clogged as it has the same symptom
Mine does this. I’ll have to check it when I get home. Mine is an SRM225. I was running it to chop ferns with the cutting blade. I ran it at full speed if I’m remembering correctly. It’s been acting up for a while and I haven’t had the time to look into it. I hope this fixes it!
@@INSIDEHOUSEGARAGE Well, got it taken apart. The spark arrester was not gummed up, just covered in a bees nest. Got it cleaned up and runs like a champ now. Thanks for the video!
I think you put the air filter housing on backwards. On my Echo PAS-225, the choke is at the back, next to the pull starter. Makes it much easier to pull the starter, and quickly adjust the choke. BTW, I use my trimmer mostly at full throttle. That's how it was designed to run.
thanks, theres a possibly that little sparks will fly out of the muffler. If you're in dry grass, it "could" start a fire. Try running the trimmer near nightfall and you'll see the sparks. I've never seen them make it to the ground though.
Thanks for this very helpful and concise video, was having exactly the same problems with my hedge trimmer, had replaced the spark plug and stripped and cleaned the carb and fuel lines to no avail, this fixed the problem in five minutes. Thank you very much for sharing.
Thanks for the great video. I have same trimmer and removing the screen got all my power back. I do not normally run at full throttle unless im in high or thick grass.
I have the same issue however, it dies when i go full speed. New spark plug, filter, fresh gas, removed spark plug resistor, and a replacement (not new) carb, it even dies before I can try to adjust the carb.
Thank you for the comment I appreciate it. I would replace the diaphragm in the carb or replace the carb with a new one. If that doesn't work then so a compression test to see if the engine is worn out
I may have the same problem, but haven't checked yet. I have an Echo GT-225, but i'm assuming they're similar enough. Started bogging down a few days ago when i tried to throttle it. Never really done any maintenance on it since i've had it, so maybe it's just time. I usually do about half-throttle because i didn't want any premature wear & tear and it seems to burn fuel less quickly, but more recently i have been running it a bit harder. I'll be back and let you know if it worked.
@@INSIDEHOUSEGARAGE Yea, that was the exact problem. I could kinda hear by the way it sounded that there was a restriction, but didn't know where; to start things off i fired it up first to see if the problem was still there and aure enough it was. A then took the carb off and tore it down and checked if there was anything amiss, aside from a dirt & grime that i cleaned up all was fine. Fired it up again, same problem. Next i went to the exhaust and removed just the cover where the screen was and took to screen off and fired it up again with it off.. Ran flawlessly, it was back to how it was before it started bogging; albeit a bit louder lol. Thanks, i really appreciate that you took the time to make this video. I'm sure you've helped plenty of people who weren't quite sure what was going on. As for cleaning it, i used three different methods. First a lighter, next one of those really small mini torches, then a gas stove; the lighter took the longest to remove the carbon, mini torch was good, but ran out of fuel, but i found the stove top to be quickest. Would've used a real torch, but i don't have one. I put it back on and it, again, ran flawlessly. Just wanted to add that in case anyone was curious. Subscribed.
I have an echo leaf blower and cleaned the carb(replaced all diaphragms and primer bulb.)replaced the fuel lines, fuel filter, air filter, and spark plug. Now I can’t get it to crank and the muffler is spraying gas when string is pulled what should I do?
From what I know, 2 cycle engines are designed to run at full throttle. I run mine at full throttle almost all the time, I have some small areas that I use less throttle like inside corners and around trees, but mostly it is full throttle. I check my spark arrestor when I change the spark plug and it has always been clean. I hit it with a propane torch and brushed it with a brass brush once just to see if there was any difference, and there was not. I have a 5 year old Echo SRM 225 that's still going strong. Great video, easy to follow for those not familiar with this procedure.
My uncle has one of these and it's never been cared for but always worked, I sort of adopted it last year and used it silly all season. I was never impressed with the power and my god for such a small displacement they are cold blooded little motors but always ran like a champ. Anyway, I popped the screen off today and it couldn't have possibly been any cleaner, like literally brand new looking which surprised the hell out of me. It always has a fuel odor out the exhaust so I assumed it would need a cleaning, nope. I left the screen out because I'm a rebel, and removed the dummy plug for the High jet and actually leaned it out slightly and it made a huge overall difference, snappier, sounds better, smells better. Before it wouldn't really reach full rpm steady with the full length of heavier whip till it was half worn. It does now and sounds stronger. I will run it a few times and check the plug just to make sure its not too lean, but so far I would say it was definitely worth the time to do it. I don't want to sacrifice the light weight and excellent fuel economy of this Echo for a more powerful much heavier trimmer. Tune this one and be happy. I figure the removal of the screen will negate the possibility of the extra heat leaning it out a bit may cause but that's something I need a few runs to determine.
What is the plug on the high jet? Is this something where the carb needs to be taken apart to do? Mine is just 2 years old and not run more than maybe 10 hours total,run like a champ but this evening it was not revving as high as normal and had a bit of a bog at full throttle.
@@Ron_Masterjohn If you have removed the guard and run longer than stock line it won't rev up till the line wears down, also if you use heavier than the .80 size line they won't turn up as quickly either. But the plug, is a little plastic cup, inserted into the hole that's just under the primer ball. Removal is very easy, as long as you do it right. Take a small drill bit, 1/16th, and drill a hole into the cap, it's recessed into that hole, it's a small hollow cup shape plastic cap. You can push at first to get the bit drilling, but ease up as it drills into it and you will feel as soon as you hit the actual brass screw, since its hollow it sinks right into it once through the top. As long as you don't go ham on it you can't really hurt anything, then you just need a slightly long, thin screw that you can thread into the hole you drilled, and just simply pull it right out. You only need to thread it into the hole you drilled just enough to catch you threads, a sheetrock screw seems like a good choice but it too big and a finer thread skinny ass screw is best. You want a very skinny screw because it's hard to perfectly center the hole you will make in such a little area, and if the screw just fits, once you thread it into the hole you drilled, it can bind up your extraction from the threads against the side wall of the hole. Finding the right extraction screw is the only hard part, it's probably best to just go to the hardware store with you 1/16 drill bit and get something just barely bigger. The low jet is the same procedure but is located on the top of the carburetor that your throttle cable goes to, the hole in what I would call the butterfly valve. Adjusting the screw, you will need a small flat screwdriver. It seems to me that all two strokes need adjustment once broken in, Sthil, seems to run them rich from the start and are fine, but that's just my experience I haven't had a ton of either and I am not a service department, to be honest I'm more of a Husqvarna guy, and they all have enjoyed some extra once broken in, they seem to enjoy a different tune in winter to summer too, but I like optimal, most people probably don't care. I recently got a 525ls weed whacker and I am over the moon with it. I still love my echo, but I'm dealing with a pretty large property, and I can run any line and plenty of smooth power. Not a toy, 3 times the fuel consumption but I can cover some serious ground with it. Don't be afraid to mess with yours, you can't hurt anything. Good luck.
I like to adjust the throttle for the cutting conditions i'm currently in. for example, those little gravel/rocks near a ditch line/culvert pipe, or next to a flower bed or garden I like to use less throttle, maybe only 1/4th throttle while trimming. It prevents throwing all those tiny little rocks at your face (which on most commercial straight shaft trimmers the head turns counterclockwise) which hurt really badly, and it prevents chopping off flowers or plants. now for open areas like a bank or waist-high grass, it's Wide-open Throttle the whole time. Another thing i did recently is i changed the 2 cycle oil i use. I used to run Stihl HP Ultra mixed at 50:1 for my FS-85 trimmers, but about 2 years ago i changed to Opti-2 oil, and it eliminated the screens getting clogged. Great video! I know it's from a couple years ago but still relevant! thank you!
Thank you Jacob Feather for sharing your experience, I might have to start using that oil, and if I like it, I might have to start suggesting it to people.
I have an echo srm-225 will not start sometimes it will and then die I put a carburetor kit in it replace spark plug putting gas in it clean the muffler still won't start what else to do but buy another one
Thank you for the comment I appreciate it. Please borrow a compression tester from an auto store or a mechanic friend. Make sure it has the short adapter on it. Then test the compression and I'm guessing it's going to be below 50 psi.
if you're trimmer is supposed to use 50 and you put 40 in, there will be no difference in performance. I would look at the spark arrestor screen for a clog and if that's okay, I would suspect the Carb.
I just acquired one of theses srm 225 trimmers from a friend he already got a new one. It will not start I took the carb apart and partially rebuilt it with new diapharms but still no go so I'm ordering a new carb since there inexpensive and trying that. I have been watching your channel alot and I have learned so much. I showed my dad yesterday what I learned from your channel on taking apart the carb and he was impressed so thank you so much for your videos.
Mine Boggs down when using it when i set it down it dies out. I use it full throttle most the time. I was using red armor fuel made to burn carbon out. Should I use that once in a while or is that have nothing to do with the problem.
In my experience, even if you use the trimmer at full throttle to help burn the carbon out, it won't matter if the carburetor is out of adjustment and is running extremely rich. If that happens, there will be more buildup made that can be burned up. Check the spark arrestor and if that's okay, the problem is the Carb itself. At that point it won't matter what kind of fuel you're using. it's still going to die off throttle
I pretty much go full throttle with my Husqvarna 326 and 128. On my stihl fs85 I run it at half or 3/4 throttle. Husqvarna's only cut good at full throttle
I recently purchased an SRM 225 and within 2 months time it had built up all that burned fuel at the muffler. Weedeater still running well but always get filthy with that fuel mix on my side. I’m in the Caribbean so grass cutting is constant all year round. I am pretty sure I do my fuel ⛽️ mix properly. Can u tell me what else can it possibly be as to why burned fuel mix is leaking? Thanks
2 stroke engines need to be run at full throttle to burn off any carbon & to prevent varnish deposits in the engine,as far as the muffler screen goes, I would burn it out & refit it over here in Australia as it was very dry up until this February,there were major bushfires which killed a few people in December-January in the middle of our summer & a man got arrested & charged all because he was using an electric power tool which caused a spark to fly out & start a fire. In U.S. states such as in California it's the same deal where it's very dry !
Great video! The problem is no one reads their owners manual, this is a basic maintenance item, LOL. I use my GT-225 and GT-225L at high speed most of the time.
I had the same issue: Mine was a bad diaphragm in the bottom of the carb. Also don't forget that a weak coil or bad crankshaft seals give the same symptoms. One of mine had 150psi but when running past idle the seals would leak compression. Some carbs must tuned to an exact setting or they won't run without the choke.
Same issue. Changed carb, spark plug, air filter, fuel filter, checked spark arrester, cleaned carbon from cylinder exhaust port, and it still didn't work. Idles fine but when I increase throttle it chugs and dies. Maybe it was crankshaft seals. Too bad I gave it away so I'll never know. 😞
I have the exact problem you have in this video. I am about to go and check the screen. If that is the problem all i can say is thank you so much. It will save me money, time and worry and headaches. Will be back later with an update. Thanks again.
@@INSIDEHOUSEGARAGE Worked like a charm. Cranked up and revs up to full throttle now. I had like 3 pin holes I could see through throughout the half of the screen that was exposed to exhaust. I used a small wire brush and cleared out the soot and crust until the screen was perfectly clear. Put it back together and the rest is history. You my friend are a God send. Thank you.
You got that carb backwards. Plus do not take that spark plug arrestor off. It’s there so you don’t send sparks on dry grass. Sorry but this is not a good diy video.
It wouldn't rev up. Idled, started perfectly. So i bought a new 15 dollar china? carb. It was fine but still seemed a maybe a little lean at max rpm. Used for a couple hours, worked well enough. Couple weeks later, wouldn't rev up, idles, starts perfectly, won't rev up. Bought a new genuine echo diaphragm. Its the correct part but bolt pattern a teensy bit smaller, different shape. Caused leakage. Cut up old diaphragm to improve sealing. carefully centered contact point, used sealant, no leak. Wont rev up. Idles, starts no problem. When i saw your video in the middle of messing with it I was absolutely certain it waa the spark arrestor. Cars behave the same way when catalytic converter is plugged. The screen was clear. Any suggestions?
sure, don't turn it on yet, squeeze the trigger and look at the top of the carb. you should see the top of the barrel rotate. squeeze and unsqueezed and you should see the top rotate back and forth. can you see this happening?
Perfect! Was ready to rebuild the carburetor then saw this video. Removed the screen, put in a new plug and it runs like brand new. Screen was completely blocked, just threw it away. I would have rebuilt the carburetor and it still would not have run. Saved me a lot of time and frustration.....and money!! Thanks!!
The only problem with removing the spark screen is that it could cause a spark to escape from the engine or cause fire I would replace or burn the carbon off
I have this echo srm 266 weed wacker will not get to full power I changed the carb checked smoke arrestor and tuned the carb changed gas filter everything I looked everywhere for answers do you have any suggestions to check? Thank you.
i have echo srm225 i have change carburator ,remove the screen, clean the system, change fuel line and filter[ it still bog down and leak fuel[ do you have ideal what is wrong
I have an Echo PAS266es trimmer that takes different attachments. I use only the pre-mixed 50-1 Echo Red Armor fuel because Steve's Small Engine Saloon showed that regular gasoline, even non ethanol, has components (olefins) that are no good for 2 cycle engines. I always run it on full throttle while actually trimming, but I let it idle a bit walking from place to place. It starts on the second pull. Lucky me.
I've got a Echo SRM 261T - all of sudden it's got where it will idle but die when you try to rev it up (choked or not). I've put in a new air filter, spark plug and checked the muffler screen (clear as a whistle). I've only used TruFuel 50:1 since I bought it new. No smoke. What would cause it to sound like it's choking out and die when I try to rev it up? TIA
I’ve had my echo for around 7-8 years and it started having this problem recently. I was kinda bummed thinking I was finally gonna have to get a new one and decided to look on TH-cam to fir a quick fix and give it one last try first and came across this vid. Took out the screen and she runs like a champ again!! Thanks for the awesome vid!.
Would this also cause trimmer to turn off while idling? Mine started acting up recently. It would not go into full speed for several tries. Eventually it would run good after a few times (pressing the throttle) but after a few days, now it won't stay on it turns of after a bit.
Mine started running bad like that yesterday...head barely turning...I DID EXACTLY WHAT YOU SHOWED TO DO AND MINE STARTED UP LIKE BRAND NEW ON FIRST PULL. IT RUNS BETTER THAN WHEN IT WAS NEW I BELIEVE. Thank you for saving me a month in line at repair place and a tune up bill for whatever they say!!!!!! THANK YOU!!!!!!!
Thank you so much. I run a small lawn business, and had this problem mid day. Stopped and looked at it for 2 to 3 hours. Ended up finding this video, taking that little screen off, and it ran best it ever has. EVER. There really is a TH-cam video for everything lol
Hey I’m really hoping you could help? I have a KM90R the old kombi. I’m looking for the service kit for it but not sure which one is the right kit. On Stihl website it doesn’t show the kit number for this model, probably too old? Would you know
no I wouldn't and I would just order a new carb, If you really like your old carb that much, just take the stuff out of the new carb, and use it as a rebuild kit.
I had this problem of not reving up. Cleaned screen, new carb and fuel filter , lines. Finally i swapped out the ignition coil. Bingo , for my machine it was the faulty coil all the time .
I have the same problem. I’ll try the same solution, and see what happens. Regarding the carbon buildup in the pistons, is it okay to use a little (of the product) “Sea Foam”?
I think I probably would have cleaned the screen. If a spark gets out and starts a fire, it will start out so small you may not notice it until you have moved to another area. Then when you do notice it, it’s a big problem. I don’t need that liability. It looked like the mix may have been a little oil heavy but that could have been from the oil on the screen. Stihl oil is known to cause this problem if you don’t run at full speed most of the time. I have some 2 strokes that call for 40:1 and others 50:1. I generally use 40:1 in everything. Which would you use? I don’t really want to have to keep 2 fuels.
I have the same problem bc it set for a year with under 40 hours. Strong idle but dies under load. Clean plugs filter and pick up. Removed spark arrestor. No luck, guessing carb
Much Mahalos from Hawaii! Your video was very helpful, and solved the problem of the 225 SRM that was just over a month old! I removed the clogged screen, and it ran excellent! It was purchased to replace one with the same problem, so I'll do the same thing to the old one to see if that was the problem with it.. I was told to run the fuel richer so to not burn up the engine in the tropical climate here by mechanic years ago, so did so all these years. I "Babied' this new one I bought, and apparently it was carbon build up within a month. After following your instructions, the new one ran great, and I will run it from now on "Balls Out, Full Throttle", etc. I did so today, after the removal of clogged screen and cleared out choke biomass! It performed effortlessly Thank You for this extremely helpful video!
Fixed my problem. I did a tuneup with a new spark plug, air and fuel filter and it was running sluggish. This fixed it. It runs a full speed. If run the trimmer at full speed when I am using the blower and the edger. I sometimes do not run it at full speed with the weedeater/string attachment when I go around trees.
Thank you for this helpful video... I thought i had a clogged carburetor Or Air & gas mix problem I took the spark arrestor off and threw it away ...BAM started it up and it ran like brand new... lol you saved me $$ thanks again your fantastic 👏
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Thanks for an awesome video! This fixed my Echo SRM 255 in 5 minutes!
Nice work!
What an easy fix. We removed screen and boom she runs like a champ. I believe the other 3 weed trimmers in the shed can come back to life. Thank you
no problem and thanks for watching.
Here in Texas we have small little dirt dobbers that love to build nests inside those mufflers. Without the screen the bugs can build their nests right inside the exhaust port! Best to just clean the screen and reinstall it
yes you're exactly correct about that.
You must not use it very often.... I can't imagine a dirt dobber having the time to build a nest
@@notusedexer they can build a nest in 10 min
Depending on how tall the grass is, I usually try to keep the engine running at 1 constant speed and when I need a little more power I'll rev the engine up when it is needed.
that makes sense to me.
That's not how 2 stroke engines are supposed to operate
Another fix is to pull the brass plug out underneath the carb bulb and lean out the carb a bit. Run it at high speed and make small incremental adjustments. These carbs are set a little rich from factory. I'm considering removing my spark arrestor screen. Are there any CONS to this?
Just the chance of fire. If you do remove it, run the engine at night and rev the engine from idle a few times and you see little glowing sparks fly out of the muffler.
@@INSIDEHOUSEGARAGE Thanks, I'm going to leave it on. Appreciate the response.
@@jasweb147 no problem
The carbs are set lean from the factory not rich, due to CA EPA bs. Remove the cap and open half to three quarter turn and you should be good to go.
@@mferrarorace Thanks for the response. I ended up giving it to a neighbor and I went battery (EGO). Will never go back to gas again.
I have the GT225 and and decided to replace the carburetor just for routine maintenance. It was running fine so I guess I should have let well enough do. Anyway, now when I run it full speed, it dies. Also if I flip it to edge, it cuts out. I've checked the fuel line filter to make sure it is properly at the bottom of the fuel tank. it simply will not run when I flip it to edge. Any suggestions?
sure, put the old one back one, and see if it still does it. If it doesn't do it, keep rolling with old carb.
I have fixed multiple trimmers, a push mower, and a blower all thanks to your videos..keep up the good work, my guy.
no problem Swim and thank you
hey man, thanks, this was a life saver, i thought my machine was a dead one, and i had the same model as you shown there, echo 225, i tried everything, but could,nt understand what was wrong so i looked it up, and when i did whar you said,about the muffler screen being clogged up, and yes it was, i cleaned it with a old tooth brush and some mix gas and it was super clean, put in back in the weeder and start her up, and it was life brand new, super power, thank again, and keep it up, you help alot of people ..............GOOD JOB
thank you Odil Laurent for the comment and I'm glad it worked out for you.
Thank you for posting. Fixed my issue! It must have been clogged for a while because it is running better than I ever remember.
I'm glad it's working well now. Thank you comment John Downs.
@@INSIDEHOUSEGARAGE man I don't see mo screen on mine at all had it over 40 days
I've cleaned my carb and my plug but have yet to check that screen think you just saved me a whole bunch of headache awesome job and thanks for the vid!
No problem and thank you Kenneth Parrish for the comment
The screen does two things. Acts as a spark arrestor (to eliminate a leaf fire, etc.), and acts like a cat., to burn off HCs. Small Eng Saloon did a test where red armor oil would clean up the screen after two tank fulls of gas mix. Chicanic did a video stating that the Stihl oil clogs the screen and causes carbon. I run my trimmer at slow speed.
Like a Beverly Hills cop with a banana stuck up the tail pipe
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I mostly 1/2 throttle it when edging it but I will full throttle it in thick weeds.
Thank you D Fields for the comment I appreciate it
I never run my Homelite string trimmer at full speed because even though I’m wearing ear protection the trimmer at full throttle is extremely loud.
yes, I agree, but since I use hearing protection, I typically run them at WOT.
Half throttle due to noise. I have a pas 230 and it's been ok. Replaced throttle cable and carburetor yesterday. Might need the whole throttle assembly control.
I completely understand
I found that when running a mulching blade head (which I do most of the time) short bursts are better than running a full rpm. Most of the mulching happens during the wind down of the rpm. Otherwise the head just bounces off the material.
Thats a really good point
Half throttle it because it makes for better control and won’t destroy items. I only full throttle it when it’s tall grass
That makes good sense.
The spark arresting screen was the problem. It worked well once we removed it. Thanks, you saved us several dollars in repairs.
no problem and good work fixing it.
I was told by my dealer to always run at full throttle when working it. These little engines have a centrifugal clutch that engage fully at full throttle so the clutch doesn't slip and wear out sooner.
that's good advice
thank you!!
no problem
Better off to clean or replace the screen. Keeps the stink bugs out. I clean the screen with a grill lighter and wire brush.
that makes sense
Always clean exhaust ports and the screen, because the loose carbon will fall in the engine
you are absolutely correct
Great video - super informative, high quality with good sound and straight to the point. My exact same Echo unit had this exact problem and your fix worked perfectly. I used carb cleaner and an old toothbrush. Only bad news is I can't hire a lawn service now :)
thank you Daniel Beaty
Great man, I never knew about this spark arrester screen and it seems by symptom to be the problem. But unfortunately, I messed up the spark plug wire and ignition coil by pulling to hard on the wire now i am waiting for the replacement as it has no spark now what so ever but was just running before i pulled on it and broke it. since i will have it apart i will also check this screen which i am sure now that it is clogged as it has the same symptom
its a good place to start. Thanks for the comment I appreciate it.
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Hey you're right!
Why did the trimmer lost power because carbon build up
the carbon was inhibiting air flow, thru the engine
Mine does this. I’ll have to check it when I get home. Mine is an SRM225. I was running it to chop ferns with the cutting blade. I ran it at full speed if I’m remembering correctly. It’s been acting up for a while and I haven’t had the time to look into it. I hope this fixes it!
I hope so to. let me know how it goes.
@@INSIDEHOUSEGARAGE Well, got it taken apart. The spark arrester was not gummed up, just covered in a bees nest. Got it cleaned up and runs like a champ now. Thanks for the video!
@@SnakePliskin86 no problem and you did a great job figuring It out. thank you for the update.
I think you put the air filter housing on backwards. On my Echo PAS-225, the choke is at the back, next to the pull starter. Makes it much easier to pull the starter, and quickly adjust the choke.
BTW, I use my trimmer mostly at full throttle. That's how it was designed to run.
Yes I did but its because it came to me that way that I put it right back on the same way.
What could happen if I leave the screen off??? Good video thank you
thanks, theres a possibly that little sparks will fly out of the muffler. If you're in dry grass, it "could" start a fire. Try running the trimmer near nightfall and you'll see the sparks. I've never seen them make it to the ground though.
Both full and half having the same problem hope this helps ty
thank you Grimreaper43
Thanks for this very helpful and concise video, was having exactly the same problems with my hedge trimmer, had replaced the spark plug and stripped and cleaned the carb and fuel lines to no avail, this fixed the problem in five minutes. Thank you very much for sharing.
no problem, thanks for the comment
Nice video once again. I use my trimmer full-speed as the o. manual states that's the way it's supposed to be operated.
You are absolutely correct about that. Thanks for the comment I appreciate it Pilot View Productions
If you disable the spark arrester you could potentially start a fire while cutting dry grass and brush.
Very unlikely
Thanks for the great video. I have same trimmer and removing the screen got all my power back. I do not normally run at full throttle unless im in high or thick grass.
Me too. Thanks for the comment
I have the same issue however, it dies when i go full speed. New spark plug, filter, fresh gas, removed spark plug resistor, and a replacement (not new) carb, it even dies before I can try to adjust the carb.
Thank you for the comment I appreciate it. I would replace the diaphragm in the carb or replace the carb with a new one. If that doesn't work then so a compression test to see if the engine is worn out
Thanks for doing this video, you fixed the problem mine was having !!!
Glad it helped
Thank the Lord for TH-cam!! Cleaned that screen.....listen to her scream!!
lol.. very well phrased.
@@INSIDEHOUSEGARAGE 😆💯💯 Preciate your help.
I saw 999 likes. I just had to hit that for the 1k!
@@jerico80 no problem and thanks
I may have the same problem, but haven't checked yet. I have an Echo GT-225, but i'm assuming they're similar enough. Started bogging down a few days ago when i tried to throttle it. Never really done any maintenance on it since i've had it, so maybe it's just time.
I usually do about half-throttle because i didn't want any premature wear & tear and it seems to burn fuel less quickly, but more recently i have been running it a bit harder.
I'll be back and let you know if it worked.
excellent please let me know
@@INSIDEHOUSEGARAGE Yea, that was the exact problem. I could kinda hear by the way it sounded that there was a restriction, but didn't know where; to start things off i fired it up first to see if the problem was still there and aure enough it was. A then took the carb off and tore it down and checked if there was anything amiss, aside from a dirt & grime that i cleaned up all was fine. Fired it up again, same problem. Next i went to the exhaust and removed just the cover where the screen was and took to screen off and fired it up again with it off.. Ran flawlessly, it was back to how it was before it started bogging; albeit a bit louder lol. Thanks, i really appreciate that you took the time to make this video. I'm sure you've helped plenty of people who weren't quite sure what was going on.
As for cleaning it, i used three different methods. First a lighter, next one of those really small mini torches, then a gas stove; the lighter took the longest to remove the carbon, mini torch was good, but ran out of fuel, but i found the stove top to be quickest. Would've used a real torch, but i don't have one. I put it back on and it, again, ran flawlessly.
Just wanted to add that in case anyone was curious.
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I hear the engine not revving up to full speed. Why is this happening during the video?
Thank you for the comment I appreciate it . The blocked screen keeps the engine breathing so it doesn't work well.
I have an echo leaf blower and cleaned the carb(replaced all diaphragms and primer bulb.)replaced the fuel lines, fuel filter, air filter, and spark plug.
Now I can’t get it to crank and the muffler is spraying gas when string is pulled what should I do?
easy, replace the carb. Otherwise you're going to Chase your tail around and around trying to stop the fuel leak.
I replaced the carb and the L and H screw are extremely out out wack and I’m not good at tuning it. What do I do
then you'll need to hand the machine off to someone who can tune it.
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From what I know, 2 cycle engines are designed to run at full throttle. I run mine at full throttle almost all the time, I have some small areas that I use less throttle like inside corners and around trees, but mostly it is full throttle. I check my spark arrestor when I change the spark plug and it has always been clean. I hit it with a propane torch and brushed it with a brass brush once just to see if there was any difference, and there was not. I have a 5 year old Echo SRM 225 that's still going strong. Great video, easy to follow for those not familiar with this procedure.
you are correct
My uncle has one of these and it's never been cared for but always worked, I sort of adopted it last year and used it silly all season. I was never impressed with the power and my god for such a small displacement they are cold blooded little motors but always ran like a champ. Anyway, I popped the screen off today and it couldn't have possibly been any cleaner, like literally brand new looking which surprised the hell out of me. It always has a fuel odor out the exhaust so I assumed it would need a cleaning, nope. I left the screen out because I'm a rebel, and removed the dummy plug for the High jet and actually leaned it out slightly and it made a huge overall difference, snappier, sounds better, smells better. Before it wouldn't really reach full rpm steady with the full length of heavier whip till it was half worn. It does now and sounds stronger. I will run it a few times and check the plug just to make sure its not too lean, but so far I would say it was definitely worth the time to do it. I don't want to sacrifice the light weight and excellent fuel economy of this Echo for a more powerful much heavier trimmer. Tune this one and be happy. I figure the removal of the screen will negate the possibility of the extra heat leaning it out a bit may cause but that's something I need a few runs to determine.
sounds like that trimmer is in good hands. thank you RavenShield78.
What is the plug on the high jet? Is this something where the carb needs to be taken apart to do? Mine is just 2 years old and not run more than maybe 10 hours total,run like a champ but this evening it was not revving as high as normal and had a bit of a bog at full throttle.
@@Ron_Masterjohn If you have removed the guard and run longer than stock line it won't rev up till the line wears down, also if you use heavier than the .80 size line they won't turn up as quickly either. But the plug, is a little plastic cup, inserted into the hole that's just under the primer ball. Removal is very easy, as long as you do it right. Take a small drill bit, 1/16th, and drill a hole into the cap, it's recessed into that hole, it's a small hollow cup shape plastic cap. You can push at first to get the bit drilling, but ease up as it drills into it and you will feel as soon as you hit the actual brass screw, since its hollow it sinks right into it once through the top. As long as you don't go ham on it you can't really hurt anything, then you just need a slightly long, thin screw that you can thread into the hole you drilled, and just simply pull it right out. You only need to thread it into the hole you drilled just enough to catch you threads, a sheetrock screw seems like a good choice but it too big and a finer thread skinny ass screw is best. You want a very skinny screw because it's hard to perfectly center the hole you will make in such a little area, and if the screw just fits, once you thread it into the hole you drilled, it can bind up your extraction from the threads against the side wall of the hole. Finding the right extraction screw is the only hard part, it's probably best to just go to the hardware store with you 1/16 drill bit and get something just barely bigger. The low jet is the same procedure but is located on the top of the carburetor that your throttle cable goes to, the hole in what I would call the butterfly valve. Adjusting the screw, you will need a small flat screwdriver. It seems to me that all two strokes need adjustment once broken in, Sthil, seems to run them rich from the start and are fine, but that's just my experience I haven't had a ton of either and I am not a service department, to be honest I'm more of a Husqvarna guy, and they all have enjoyed some extra once broken in, they seem to enjoy a different tune in winter to summer too, but I like optimal, most people probably don't care. I recently got a 525ls weed whacker and I am over the moon with it. I still love my echo, but I'm dealing with a pretty large property, and I can run any line and plenty of smooth power. Not a toy, 3 times the fuel consumption but I can cover some serious ground with it. Don't be afraid to mess with yours, you can't hurt anything. Good luck.
I like to adjust the throttle for the cutting conditions i'm currently in. for example, those little gravel/rocks near a ditch line/culvert pipe, or next to a flower bed or garden I like to use less throttle, maybe only 1/4th throttle while trimming. It prevents throwing all those tiny little rocks at your face (which on most commercial straight shaft trimmers the head turns counterclockwise) which hurt really badly, and it prevents chopping off flowers or plants. now for open areas like a bank or waist-high grass, it's Wide-open Throttle the whole time.
Another thing i did recently is i changed the 2 cycle oil i use. I used to run Stihl HP Ultra mixed at 50:1 for my FS-85 trimmers, but about 2 years ago i changed to Opti-2 oil, and it eliminated the screens getting clogged. Great video! I know it's from a couple years ago but still relevant! thank you!
Thank you Jacob Feather for sharing your experience, I might have to start using that oil, and if I like it, I might have to start suggesting it to people.
Nice echo split shaft never seen one before i heard the come with different attachments had the same problem as the old grey echo you worked on
Split shafts have their advantages but some disadvantages too. I like the versatility though.
Full speed unless trimming close to houses/fences. I think it’s the way the engine’s designed to run. Great video, thanks very much, Simon, Devon, UK.
thank you Simon Morris for your time I appreciate it.
I have an echo srm-225 will not start sometimes it will and then die I put a carburetor kit in it replace spark plug putting gas in it clean the muffler still won't start what else to do but buy another one
Thank you for the comment I appreciate it. Please borrow a compression tester from an auto store or a mechanic friend. Make sure it has the short adapter on it. Then test the compression and I'm guessing it's going to be below 50 psi.
It is probably the coil!
Mainly low to mid throttle.
thank you Edgar Bravo
What to do if you use a 40:1 mix instead of a 50:1 mix? Trimmer starts but won’t go full throttle.
if you're trimmer is supposed to use 50 and you put 40 in, there will be no difference in performance. I would look at the spark arrestor screen for a clog and if that's okay, I would suspect the Carb.
Thank you. Great video.
@@richardgandolfo3386 you'r welcome.
That not how to start a engine
As far as running at full throttle, I do everytime I weedeat. I appreciate all your help.
no problem and thank you.
I just acquired one of theses srm 225 trimmers from a friend he already got a new one. It will not start I took the carb apart and partially rebuilt it with new diapharms but still no go so I'm ordering a new carb since there inexpensive and trying that. I have been watching your channel alot and I have learned so much. I showed my dad yesterday what I learned from your channel on taking apart the carb and he was impressed so thank you so much for your videos.
Thank you Daniel Padgett for the comment I appreciate it.
Do I leave the screen out
@@robertkrauss5645 what screen
Better to run it rich than lean. Thanks for cleaning the spark arrestor.
Yes I agree with you thank you for the comment
Always wide open by u have no spark screen I have echo trimmer exhaust modded
Thank you for the comment
Why did the trimmer head explode because the trimmer head was wore out
Mine Boggs down when using it when i set it down it dies out. I use it full throttle most the time. I was using red armor fuel made to burn carbon out. Should I use that once in a while or is that have nothing to do with the problem.
In my experience, even if you use the trimmer at full throttle to help burn the carbon out, it won't matter if the carburetor is out of adjustment and is running extremely rich. If that happens, there will be more buildup made that can be burned up. Check the spark arrestor and if that's okay, the problem is the Carb itself. At that point it won't matter what kind of fuel you're using. it's still going to die off throttle
I pretty much go full throttle with my Husqvarna 326 and 128. On my stihl fs85 I run it at half or 3/4 throttle. Husqvarna's only cut good at full throttle
I feel the same way.
Full speed on my end
Thank you Rolando Alaniz
I cleaned the screen and now we are good. It was bogging g and getting no power.
Just keep an eye on it and it should run well from now on. I usually look at the beginning of every year just to check.
I recently purchased an SRM 225 and within 2 months time it had built up all that burned fuel at the muffler. Weedeater still running well but always get filthy with that fuel mix on my side. I’m in the Caribbean so grass cutting is constant all year round. I am pretty sure I do my fuel ⛽️ mix properly. Can u tell me what else can it possibly be as to why burned fuel mix is leaking? Thanks
so is it wet fuel that's leaking from the engine? If so then you have a carburetor problem.
2 stroke engines need to be run at full throttle to burn off any carbon & to prevent varnish deposits in the engine,as far as the muffler screen goes, I would burn it out & refit it over here in Australia as it was very dry up until this February,there were major bushfires which killed a few people in December-January in the middle of our summer & a man got arrested & charged all because he was using an electric power tool which caused a spark to fly out & start a fire.
In U.S. states such as in California it's the same deal where it's very dry !
Very good point. Thanks for the comment Russell Booth I appreciate it
Why does my trimmer start first pull sometimes but sometimes it starts in like 10 pulls?
It could need an adjustment to make it consistent. If you want an easy way out you can try replacing the carb and see if that fixes it.
Wide open 99%.
thanks for the comment I appreciate it
Great video! The problem is no one reads their owners manual, this is a basic maintenance item, LOL. I use my GT-225 and GT-225L at high speed most of the time.
you are absolutely correct
They make owner manuals?
I had the same issue: Mine was a bad diaphragm in the bottom of the carb. Also don't forget that a weak coil or bad crankshaft seals give the same symptoms. One of mine had 150psi but when running past idle the seals would leak compression. Some carbs must tuned to an exact setting or they won't run without the choke.
thank you Thomas Auto
Same issue. Changed carb, spark plug, air filter, fuel filter, checked spark arrester, cleaned carbon from cylinder exhaust port, and it still didn't work. Idles fine but when I increase throttle it chugs and dies. Maybe it was crankshaft seals. Too bad I gave it away so I'll never know. 😞
I have the exact problem you have in this video. I am about to go and check the screen. If that is the problem all i can say is thank you so much. It will save me money, time and worry and headaches. Will be back later with an update. Thanks again.
no problem and please let me know
@@INSIDEHOUSEGARAGE Worked like a charm. Cranked up and revs up to full throttle now. I had like 3 pin holes I could see through throughout the half of the screen that was exposed to exhaust. I used a small wire brush and cleared out the soot and crust until the screen was perfectly clear. Put it back together and the rest is history. You my friend are a God send. Thank you.
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You got that carb backwards. Plus do not take that spark plug arrestor off. It’s there so you don’t send sparks on dry grass. Sorry but this is not a good diy video.
you are so right
It wouldn't rev up. Idled, started perfectly. So i bought a new 15 dollar china? carb. It was fine but still seemed a maybe a little lean at max rpm. Used for a couple hours, worked well enough.
Couple weeks later, wouldn't rev up, idles, starts perfectly, won't rev up.
Bought a new genuine echo diaphragm. Its the correct part but bolt pattern a teensy bit smaller, different shape. Caused leakage.
Cut up old diaphragm to improve sealing. carefully centered contact point, used sealant, no leak.
Wont rev up. Idles, starts no problem.
When i saw your video in the middle of messing with it I was absolutely certain it waa the spark arrestor. Cars behave the same way when catalytic converter is plugged.
The screen was clear.
Any suggestions?
sure, did you confirm the fuel lines are not backward? If they are not backwards, then I would recommend adjusting the carb to deliver more fuel
Will it hurt to leave the screen out altogether?
No it won't hurt, but it's not suggested because it could cause a wild fire If you're on a field of dry gras
@@INSIDEHOUSEGARAGE wow! Quickest reply I’ve ever received on a question via TH-cam! Nice video and it resolved my issue immediately! Thanks
@@RobertHagelberg no problem
My problem is as soon as I turn it on it revs up really high and won’t rev down can someone help me out?
sure, don't turn it on yet, squeeze the trigger and look at the top of the carb. you should see the top of the barrel rotate. squeeze and unsqueezed and you should see the top rotate back and forth. can you see this happening?
Perfect! Was ready to rebuild the carburetor then saw this video. Removed the screen, put in a new plug and it runs like brand new. Screen was completely blocked, just threw it away. I would have rebuilt the carburetor and it still would not have run. Saved me a lot of time and frustration.....and money!! Thanks!!
no problem Jack Rauert
The only problem with removing the spark screen is that it could cause a spark to escape from the engine or cause fire I would replace or burn the carbon off
Why did the gas went bad I the gas tank the benzene
I rarely run mine at full throttle but that makes sense, I will start doing that for a minute or so each time I use it.
I'd probably try at least half throttle, sometimes full isn't needed.
I have this echo srm 266 weed wacker will not get to full power I changed the carb checked smoke arrestor and tuned the carb changed gas filter everything I looked everywhere for answers do you have any suggestions to check?
Thank you.
sure, have you done a compression test? Have you also confirmed that the barrel in the carb is opening all the way when you squeeze the trigger?
I use my trimmers at the throttle necessary to do the task at hand...but it always includes some to plenty of full throttle to burn off carbon...
very well said. thank you Kirk Leaper
i have echo srm225 i have change carburator ,remove the screen, clean the system, change fuel line and filter[ it still bog down and leak fuel[ do you have ideal what is wrong
sure, the needs to be adjusted to work the engine. However with the leak, I'd recommend replacing the carb.
I have replaced the carb and screen arrestor but it stills does not run. Do you know what else it could be
Yes I would do a compression test to see if the engine is healthy enough to run. You want a number around 130 to 150 psi.
I have an Echo PAS266es trimmer that takes different attachments. I use only the pre-mixed 50-1 Echo Red Armor fuel because Steve's Small Engine Saloon showed that regular gasoline, even non ethanol, has components (olefins) that are no good for 2 cycle engines. I always run it on full throttle while actually trimming, but I let it idle a bit walking from place to place. It starts on the second pull. Lucky me.
thank you for the information I appreciate it.
I never let out of the gas and my ancient Shendawa 25 gives me carburetor troubles is it possible to buy a carbretor for his ancient Shendawa 25?
From what i'v seen, no, you're either going to have to get it rebuilt or by a used one.
I've got a Echo SRM 261T - all of sudden it's got where it will idle but die when you try to rev it up (choked or not). I've put in a new air filter, spark plug and checked the muffler screen (clear as a whistle). I've only used TruFuel 50:1 since I bought it new. No smoke. What would cause it to sound like it's choking out and die when I try to rev it up? TIA
Sure, have you check that the fuel filter has not come off the fuel line in the tank?
I’ve had my echo for around 7-8 years and it started having this problem recently. I was kinda bummed thinking I was finally gonna have to get a new one and decided to look on TH-cam to fir a quick fix and give it one last try first and came across this vid. Took out the screen and she runs like a champ again!! Thanks for the awesome vid!.
no problem and good work fixing it.
Air cleaner cover and choke plate carburetor mount is put on backwards. The choke lever should be facing the recoil starter.
You are absolutely correct thanks for the correction.
Would this also cause trimmer to turn off while idling? Mine started acting up recently. It would not go into full speed for several tries. Eventually it would run good after a few times (pressing the throttle) but after a few days, now it won't stay on it turns of after a bit.
it could, but a clogged screen is more of a hinderance for full speed running versus idling
Mine started running bad like that yesterday...head barely turning...I DID EXACTLY WHAT YOU SHOWED TO DO AND MINE STARTED UP LIKE BRAND NEW ON FIRST PULL. IT RUNS BETTER THAN WHEN IT WAS NEW I BELIEVE. Thank you for saving me a month in line at repair place and a tune up bill for whatever they say!!!!!! THANK YOU!!!!!!!
no problem
Thank you so much. I run a small lawn business, and had this problem mid day. Stopped and looked at it for 2 to 3 hours. Ended up finding this video, taking that little screen off, and it ran best it ever has. EVER. There really is a TH-cam video for everything lol
Thank you Evan Thompson for the comment I appreciate it
Hey I’m really hoping you could help? I have a KM90R the old kombi. I’m looking for the service kit for it but not sure which one is the right kit. On Stihl website it doesn’t show the kit number for this model, probably too old? Would you know
no I wouldn't and I would just order a new carb, If you really like your old carb that much, just take the stuff out of the new carb, and use it as a rebuild kit.
I had this problem of not reving up. Cleaned screen, new carb and fuel filter , lines. Finally i swapped out the ignition coil. Bingo , for my machine it was the faulty coil all the time .
nice repair. thanks for sharing your experience I appreciate it
I just heated up a 3/32 screwdriver and shoved it in the hole. I was then able to turn it to the left and now my pb251 has full power again.
I'm glad that method worked for you
Thank you!!! It works like a charm after burning off the oil build up from the little screen. The little things make a big difference… wow
Glad it helped!
I have the same problem. I’ll try the same solution, and see what happens. Regarding the carbon buildup in the pistons, is it okay to use a little (of the product) “Sea Foam”?
sure but only use it , according to the instructions
I did exactly what you did in this video and I'm still having the same problem, what's the next step?
sure, replace the carb.
Spraying the screen with gumout and letting it soak for 15 minutes or so and then start it up. Usually clears out the carbon buildup
thank you Jesse Woody
I think I probably would have cleaned the screen. If a spark gets out and starts a fire, it will start out so small you may not notice it until you have moved to another area. Then when you do notice it, it’s a big problem. I don’t need that liability. It looked like the mix may have been a little oil heavy but that could have been from the oil on the screen. Stihl oil is known to cause this problem if you don’t run at full speed most of the time. I have some 2 strokes that call for 40:1 and others 50:1. I generally use 40:1 in everything. Which would you use? I don’t really want to have to keep 2 fuels.
thank you Bruce Coleman.
I have the same problem bc it set for a year with under 40 hours. Strong idle but dies under load. Clean plugs filter and pick up. Removed spark arrestor. No luck, guessing carb
yes with what you've told me, I would lean towards Carb.
Looks like it's running too rich like almost all Echos. Word to the wise - Do not use ethanol content gasoline in your small engines!
thanks
Much Mahalos from Hawaii! Your video was very helpful, and solved the problem of the 225 SRM that was just over a month old! I removed the clogged screen, and it ran excellent! It was purchased to replace one with the same problem, so I'll do the same thing to the old one to see if that was the problem with it.. I was told to run the fuel richer so to not burn up the engine in the tropical climate here by mechanic years ago, so did so all these years. I "Babied' this new one I bought, and apparently it was carbon build up within a month. After following your instructions, the new one ran great, and I will run it from now on "Balls Out, Full Throttle", etc. I did so today, after the removal of clogged screen and cleared out choke biomass! It performed effortlessly Thank You for this extremely helpful video!
No problem and thanks for the comment I appreciate it.
My Yamaha inverter generator also has an exhaust screen, probably because it's a camping-oriented unit. It's the only 4-stroke I've seen with one.
That is interesting. Thanks for the comment I appreciate it
Fixed my problem. I did a tuneup with a new spark plug, air and fuel filter and it was running sluggish. This fixed it. It runs a full speed. If run the trimmer at full speed when I am using the blower and the edger. I sometimes do not run it at full speed with the weedeater/string attachment when I go around trees.
Thank for the comment. I sometimes don't run them at full throttle too
Thank you for this helpful video... I thought i had a clogged carburetor Or Air & gas mix problem
I took the spark arrestor off and threw it away ...BAM started it up and it ran like brand new... lol you saved me $$ thanks again your fantastic 👏
you're welcome Jim Sutton and thank you for your time.
FYI, you can clean the screen with oven cleaner and a small wire brush. Thanks for the video!
Great tip! I appreciate it David G.
Can you tell how to adjust carb on echo srm520es? Top of the line brushcutter..
unfortunately not without it being in front of me.