TROY (2004) DIRECTOR'S CUT MOVIE REACTION - WHO DO WE ROOT FOR!? - First Time Watching - Review
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- Welcome to our first-time watching as we react to Troy (2004). We had the pleasure to watch the director's cut since many of you suggested we watch this version instead. Troy is nothing short than a cinematic odyssey that tells us a version of the classic stories of the Trojan War.
Filled with legendary battles, and the timeless tale of love and war. Starring Brad Pitt as Achilles and directed by Wolfgang Petersen, "Troy" brings Homer's epic poem, "The Iliad," to life with breathtaking visuals and a star-studded cast.
Eric Bana as Hector has to be the standout in terms of performance. He did such a great job in this. Both him and Brad Pitt were able to convey the intricate character dynamics.
From the iconic duel between Achilles and Hector to the tragic love story of Paris and Helen this film has a lot to give and keeps it's audience immersed and engaged.
We hope that you enjoy our reactions, commentary and discussions as we delve into the film's themes, how it impacted the historical epics genre, its attention to detail, and the powerful performances that breathe life into ancient legends.
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react 12 monkeys!( Brad Pitt is amazing)
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Brad Pitt was excellent, but man, Peter O' Toole. What a legend. What a performance. Glad he got the honorary oscar in the end.
You can see the difference in the performances between the Hollywood-style movie actors, and British classically-trained stage actors. The latter understand better how to portray larger-than-life characters.
He was drinking on set and acting like a total asshole behind the scenes. What an absolute dirtbag.
"Peter O'Toole is a double phallic name."
- Groucho Marx
If they want to see Peter O’Toole in a royal themed movie, they may be interested in the following:
The Lion in Winter
The Last Emperor
King Ralph
Peter O'Toole was sublime. I cry EVERY time he goes to retrieve his boy...😭😭😭😭😭😭
Idk why but ive always loved the line that Achilles says “I’ll tell you a secret, something they dont teach you in your temple. The gods envy us, they envy us because we’re mortal. ‘Cause any moment might be our last. Everything is more beautiful, because we are doomed.”
Amazing. Troy best ever
He's not wrong. Being God sounds really, REALLY repetitive and boring. You have to just sit and watch the SAME OLD human crap on Earth unfold for all eternity, never intervening yourself. It sounds like mental torture.
That line is taken straight from Homers, Iliad. Truly beautiful.
They endvy those who know what fucking war is.
One of the very few movies where Sean Bean lives till the end... :P
He had to live. He's Odysseus. He's in the sequel.😀
yes, but next ten years will be rough for him
- but got lost on the way home! xD
It's always bugged me they didn't make The Odyssey. I really liked him as Odysseus.
@@agentsculder2451Sean Bean usually plays the villain, that’s why he always dies in movies
26:56 Menelaus beating down Paris was one of the most satisfying moments I’ve ever seen in fiction tbh. Let’s not forget that he broke sacred hospitality and ran off with his wife when Menelaus welcomed them as friends.
Helen of Troy could have stopped it anytime she wanted to. wasn't Paris' fault alone, or more than.
@@metoo7557 In the original myth, Helen was enchanted to love Paris thanks to Aphrodite. In the myth, Helen wasn't at fault.
@@nina-raedelong158 If a young hottie 20 year old steals your husband of 20 years from you because she's young and hot, is it not the man's fault when he cheats?
But Helen gets a pass? oh right, it's always the man's fault.
No, Helen is at fault, regardless if Helen loves Paris through enchantment or not. she was married.
i like Eric Bana very much, i think he is a very underrated actor.
My favorite Hulk !
He was the most effective actor in this terrible movie!
And handsome😉
Agreed. But as an Aussie I am probably biased because I grew up watching him start his career as a local comedian.
his romantic movies are nice
"The face that launched a thousand ships", "Achilles Heel", "Trojan Horse". So many famous references from one epic story. I have been fascinated by Greek mythology for decades because of the interaction between gods and mortals. Yet this movie does such a good job of removing the supernatural elements from the old tales and making it a very human story.
And the infamous, "Beware of Greeks bearing Gifts".
mythology ? no it's true story
The most infuriating thing was that Hector and Achilles were two sides of the same coin. They both have the same distain of the gods that everyone else worships, and they both have strong honor codes. If they had met under different circumstances, they would have been like ‘Bro let’s drink and tell battle stories’. And of Priam could have got to Achilles sooner, what a change to the war that would have been. Priam is exactly the king that Achilles wanted to fight for.
And just a fun note, I love Ancient Greek history so much that I have it in my will that I will have two coins placed on my eyes for the boat man.
That's so true!! It's actually heartbreaking how war has torn these men apart when, under normal circumstances, they likely would have been friends!
Also that is such an awesome thing to plan!!
Yeah, distain, while in the actual mythology his mother is literally a sea goddess.
Well-said sir. I noticed this after seeing it at the cinema. The potential greats met their demise, excluding maybe Odysseus. The tragedy of it all which stemmed from such a careless action.It's weird how Priam was able to have two completely polar opposite sons & further more to allow Paris to grow up so self-absorbed.
I'd agree they are quite similar, except for one thing, what they fought for. Hector fought to defend his country and family. Achilles fought for glory and renown. This can mostly be explained by Hector being the future ruler of Troy one day though. He was raised to be Troy personified essentially.
@@OfficialMediaKnights THIS IS THE MOST ACCURATE TELLING OF THE THIS HISTORICAL EVENT NEXT TO THE BIBLE
"If they ever tell my story, let them say I walked with giants. Men rise and fall like the winter wheat, but these names will never die.
Let them say I lived in the time of Hector tamer of horses. Let them say, I lived in the time of Achilles." - Odysseus
Rightly so. I am the kid in beginning: "I dont fight for him." "That is why no one remember your name"
The person who receives the sword of Troy at the end is Eneas, who after escaping Troy moved to Lazio, Italy and is considered the father of the Roman people.
Not quit true, he had a group og people with him called the Aeneads who are considered the progenitors of Romans in thier myth. Aeneas then went to Carthage and married the queen Dido.
Also, a fun fact: The Aeneads became kings of Alba Longa in Italy.
One of them was a man named Numitor, whose younger brother Amulius overthrew him and killed his sons and had his daughter, Rhea Silvia, placed as a Vestal Virgin so that she would remain celebate and have no offspring to threaten his rule.
While a Vestal Virgin she was r*#ed by Mars, God of War. She then bore two sons, Romulus and Rhemus. Amulius orders the twins to be murdered but they were spared and set adrift on the Tiber River. They were eventually raised by a she-wolf and returned one day to overthrow Amulius and reinstate Numitor. They would then go on to found the city of Rome in 753 BC.
Now an interesting aspect: Rhea Silvia is also known as Ilia, which can be read as Julia. Which is why the Julii Caesars claimed to be descended from Mars through Romulus and Rhemus and while being Roman they celebrated the Latin Festival in Alba Longa.
Romulus and Remus?
The mythical twins brothers who supposedly founded Rome. Also, when the dispute over who would be king of Rome came up, Romulus (according to the stories) caved in Remus’ head with a shovel and took the kingship for himself.
@@lemuellopena1157 Romulus and Remus supposedly founded Rome, with the whole wolf thing - hence the AC Roma emblem. I'm talking about the ancestor of the people of Rome, a bit before that.
“You’re still my enemy tonight, but even enemies can show respect.”
Powerful truth.
Achilles wasn't just a great fighter/ warrior, he was a Demi God , his mother was Thetis the sea nymph , Zeus, the king of the gods and Poseidon, god of the sea, had both fallen in love with Thetis and were rivals for her hand in marriage , gods were warned of a prophecy that Thetis would have a son who would grow up to be greater than his father. Worried by this, Zeus arranged for Thetis to marry a mortal man so that her child couldn't challenge his power , that's why Achilles despised the gods so much in the movie
This movie translates the myth into the appearance of realistic history.
and to make him invincible he was dipped but held by his ankle hence that part was vulnerable, hence Achilles heel
Damn you know your game. I used to love that Hercules tv show in the late 90's. :)
I think that little star just flew across that says "the more you know"
He's not a demi God in this version. This version is "realistic" none of that other stuff
Paris is the real villain. No honor whatsoever.
yeah f!ck that guy, dude let his city burn so he can get laid
Obviously! All because of one woman he loves.
Orlando Bloom doesn’t even remember doing this film, he blocked it out of his mind because of how much he hated that character.
@@Mini_Hayley I heard that on IMDB!
Paris was a boy that had lived a very permissive life. The point of the Illiad was that Paris and Patroclus were both filled with potential but boys still caught up in events. Menelaus and his greed for power was always going to cause the war.
Back then people complained about the 'historical' inacuracies. These days if a movie was as good as this, it would be the movie of the decade.
I'd love to hear what exactly qualifies as a historical inaccuracy about a 7th century BC poem, using 7th century BC world and some supernatural elements sprinkled on top, to tell a story about a 500 year old war we still can't prove ever happened...
@@jovanjorgovan23 That's why I put the 'historical' in quotes.
@@Karl-me4mh What a wonderful decision that was
@Ambander1 Huh, what do you mean - "you people"?!...We know the place existed, we've seen some traces of burned buildings at certain levels with no closer context, and academic census is still - we can't prove the war ever happened, let alone following any of the stories from the Epic Cycle, including but not limited to the Iliad itself. That is what 'knowing for a fact' would be, you know, like, dude, actually, yall...but I reckon they don't teach you that on History Channel or the abysmal education system in Ignorantville US...dude.
The Iliad and The Odyssey are the Bible of Greek behavior and thought. Even Alexandre the Great always carried a volume of The Iliad with him. These are not historical questions, but a whole way of thinking of the Greeks such as honor, homeland, family, prudence, wisdom, hospitality, self-control, resilience. Homer influenced great later artists for more than 2 thousand years.
This film received well-founded criticism from academics for its anachronisms and empty story.
Showed parts of this epic movie to my 9 year old daughter one summer. Tried to condense the entire movie and story while skipping the grizzly bits, as she was doing the Roman Empire at school in history.
Anyways, a few months later, we were at the park about to set up under a tree to eat. And it started pouring with rain. Out of nowhere my daughter just stood up and walked out into the rain, facing the now empty field (as everyone playing there had ran for cover) and she raised her arms and her face to the clouds and started shouting "HECTORRRRR! HECTORRRRRRRR!" at the top of her lungs.
I was dying from laughing. My ex however, didn't seem impressed.
"Where'd she learn that? What you been letting her watch at your place!?!?!?" etc.
Hence why she's my ex.
A daughter never had a better dad.....😁
@@roger5322 Also showed her "Seven Years In Tibet" and kinda used it as a way to explain different cultures etc. Brad Pitts character has that hilarious and arrogant way of saying "Shut up!" to people, but it kinda sounds like "Shat Aaap!".
Anyways, she adopted that. Whenever anyone told her to do something she didn't want to, or messed her about, she'd just turn to them look them in the eye and give her best Brad Pitt style "SHAT AAAAP!".
I swear she mimicked him perfectly.
You're the best dad ever, big you bro!😂
Love Bana's portrayal and Brad's.
But Sean Bean's line when talking to Achilles and his cousin always stuck to me.
"You have your sword, I have my tricks... we play with the toys the gods give us."
Not the only great line, but I love that particular one.
Funny to know Patrocle IS not this cousin but this lover in fact 😁
@@valentindehon3108that's not for certain some believe that but it's never been confirmed
Particularly ironic considering Sean Bean is playing Odysseus, who the gods hadn’t even started toying with yet.
@@valentindehon3108there's nowhere in the Iliad that Patroclos and Achilleus were lovers
@@valentindehon3108, That is what uneducated people said. Read the Homer book.
What's really cool is that Apollo is the god of music and archery. And Achilles, after the destruction of Apollos temple, and then he gets killed by Apollos' weapon of choice.
The legend said that Achilles was invulnerable everywhere except his tendon. Because that was the spot his mother (a water nymph) had held him while she dipped him in the River Styx.
The movie plays into this myth: Achilles is never wounded and the only arrow he doesn't pull out is the one in his tendon. So when he is found it looks as if the other arrows didn't hurt him but that last one did.
"And then there was Achilles.. Now there was a guy who had it all, the build, the foot speed. He could jab. He could take a hit. He could keep on comin'. But that furshlugginer heel of his! He barely gets nicked there once and kaboom! He's history.." -Phil from Hercules
@@AnxiouslyGamingwhat was so stupid was that he didn’t hesitant to chop the head off of that statue, yet he said the it was too early to kill princes 🙄
Not in the Illiad though, where he has to wait for his mom to bring him a new set of armor crafted by Hephaestus (since Patroclus wore his armor when he died and Hector took it), before he can enter the battle. I felt like the line in the beginning was a nice nod to that, when Achilles says he wouldn't need the shield if he was invulnerable.
The only source that portrayed Achilles was invulnerable was the unfinished epic poem the Achilleid by Statius. No other source made any reference to any kind of invulnerability and the most well known source, Homer's the Iliad, directly contradicts this describing a bleeding wound inflicted on Achilles arm by a spear. Vase paintings generally portray Achilles death by an arrow or multiple arrows to the torso.
Achilles used to be invincible until he took an arrow in the knee 😀
The behind the scenes of this movie was just epic.
The amount of care and love and attention to detail the director and production crew put into this movie is just cinema.
This movie is so good that I don't even care about historical inaccuracies. The acting is top notch, the fight scenes are fantastic, the storyline is immersive. And it doesn't feel outdated.
Thank you for reacting to this masterpiece! I love your videos so much❤
It really is an immersive film! It's filled with some great acting and some awesome battle sequences. Yes, not the most historical accurate film out there but then again we are not even sure of what went down in real life. So this should be taken as another one of those stories soldiers tell themselves right before their own battles.
Eh historical inaccuracies don't even really apply since this is closer to fantasy then history.
well the most obvious inaccuracie is that the siege of troy took 10 years until the city was going down ^^
@@OfficialMediaKnights Real life ? None of these characters were real people but that is hardly an excuse to butcher one of the greatest literary works of all time.
@@herodotus945not sure about it, cuz the actual city that was destroyed and burnt down by Greeks was found in Turkey, and many scientists think it might be Troy. But for sure Homer lived much later and his story is not the best source.
Achilles death was glorious because he died for love and not a war he never believed in. His death was from his own choice to go into Troy not to fight a war but to save his love Briseis. He died for LOVE, something he never expected but believed in. Loved this reaction btw thank you guys.
Also Sean Bean's portrayal of Odysseus was excellent, and then one of the Trojan that escapes is Aeneas who fled all the way across the ocean to Italy to found Rome so in a roundabout way, Greece gets eventually punished (Army destroyed and Country conquered) by the Trojans via Rome.
Would definitely have been pretty awesome if they had done a version of the Odyssee with him reprising the role of Odysseus.
Of course, the difficulty would have been that this version of the Ilias was deliberately de-mythologized, so to speak, which I'm totes okay with.
It's far more difficult, rather impossible, to de-mythologize the Odyssee.
Well, it's a moot point of course.
This is one of the more underrated sword and sandal films IMO. However, Paris frustrated the hell out of me. Starts a whole war, pretends to want to do the "noble" thing only to chicken out when the moment of truth came. What a coward and a weasel. Btw, if you like these sorts of epics, please consider reacting to Ridley Scott's KINGDOM OF HEAVEN Director's Cut sometime , also starring Orlando Bloom.
Hahaha seriously, we tried our best to be empathetic toward Paris but man, he just became more and more irritating 😂😂
Also yes, we have it on our list and will definitely be reacting to it! Thank you for your recommendation!
The war started not because of Helena and Paris, it would happen anyway, just a bit later. It's even shown in Agamemnon character in the movie.
@@OfficialMediaKnights Kingdom of Heaven would be awesome (director's cut ! theatrical is buchered)
Paris is canonically represented in the Iliad and other renditions as an abject coward and loser because, surprise! He's an abject coward and loser! Hector should have cleaved his head in two like the pathetic dumbass self absorbed douchebag he was.
Epic movie. Jerusalem. Holy City for 3 reliongs...
This entire epic was 😮😮. Whats even better is Odysseus's 10 year journey back home to Ithica. It would have been so awesome had they made another film with Bean in the lead role. I really want an epic this size given to the Odyssey.
I had to laugh when they said something about "Sean Bean still being alive". I thought, of course he had to survive. He's Odysseus. He's the star of the sequel.
You could never do a realistic history version of the Odyssey though. I'd want to see a version of both these stories with the gods and monsters left in
That is exatly so! Too late now. But it would ve been epic, when Bean comes back home and kills all the men who where to get his wife!😜
I fell in love with Greek mythology when I first saw movie "the Odyssey", with Kirk Douglas, as a kid. The Odyssey is the story of Odysseus trying to get back home when the Trojan War was over.
There's a whole MCU like expanded universe to ancient Greek mythology. In many ways it reads like a complex soap opera. The fathers of the Greek heros at Troy were the men who traveled with Jason and Hercules in the search for the Golden Fleece. Helen was the most beautiful woman in the world, and all the Greek heros wanted her. It was decided that competitions would be held, and the winner would get Helen; while all the other men were sworn to uphold the decision.
The Trojans who escaped the destruction of Troy had their own adventures searching for a new home, and eventually settled in Italy to become the founders of Rome and the Roman people.
You should Watch the EU 1968
Odyssey with Irene Papas.as
Penelope. I am appalled at all
the comments this Hollywood
garbage does not even merit.
Not because of mithology but
the lack of knowledge of great
literature at the very core of western culture. Achilles was
dead and was not in the horse,
Agamemnon returned home and was murdered by his wife
etc. I also enjoyed the Douglas
Odyssey, but from Age 11/13
I studied Homer uncut in junior
high and noticed laughable
changes : Kirk and co. get the
Cyclop drunk with fresh grape
juice Just to show them stomp
and meets his son near Argo the dog (the real episode Is
High poetry and got my whole
class weeping). The flaws are
too many to mention.The TV
One with Assante omits the dog (aghh!). Since you got turned on to Homer with the
Kirk movie like I did you will
love the 68 one and Reading
Homer (poetry, not Xena, Who
I love,though). Hollywood idea
of accuracy Is summed up by
Lincoln vampire hunter and
Dillinger killed after his cronies
who in fact were still alive. I
am not picky, Just resent bull.
If you haven't read David Gemmells Troy series you defnitely should
@@ruggerobelloni4743 Do yourself a favor; get over any expectations that Hollywood might care about accuracy. At some point only a fool would expect such a thing from them.
@@ruggerobelloni4743 Someone is mad at Hollywood because of historical inaccuracies? That's a good one.
@@FanOfDaUnderAppreciated No expectations
but the changes from Doyle to
the Gospel are so childish they
are worth shaming. One Holmes
version turned the future Mrs.
Watson into a murderer! We do
have Jeremy Brett in the British
series and can watch the 1968 Odissey. Oh, I forgot: we could
also read the books!
Achilles is one of my favorite heroes. Nearly as high as Hercules, but a true talent that wasn't wasted in welfare. Even today, Achilles's name is remembered and not forgotten. He fought in war and has slain many men before Hector. Paris is an idiot, and Hector is a noble warrior, but Achilles is the champion of champions 🏆 🥇 🏅 👏 💪.
Glad you guys reacted to this cut, the director itself said he enjoyed making this version more than the theatrical one, now he didn't have to worry about it being too sexy or too violent, he gave more development to the characters, and now the movie looks more like the first draft he made
It's always great to see the directors and rest of the team accomplish their true vision without the meddling of the studios!
I love everything about this version except the music score. I think James Horner’s score for the theatrical version is superior to the one used here (although some of it was left intact).
"Women have a way of complicating things." Odysseus isn't just referring to Helen, or to Achilles and Briseis, when he says this, he's also referring to himself as well. When Agamemnon's messengers arrived to Odysseus's hometown of Ithaca, his wife Penelope had just given birth to their son, so he had to go to war with the knowledge that he would never get to watch his son grow up.
It would’ve been interesting to see a sequel or “spin off” of Odysseus’ journey home after this battle. In the same tone, without any gods being involved. With the same cast.
@@lilscenechick1995 I think it was an open option, back in the day. But it wasn't developed (apparently because the studio expected better figures and critiques, I don't recall very well the source).
“How do you write women so well?”
“I think of a man… and I take away reason and accountability”
- Melvin Udall played by Jack Nicholson
@@nsasupporter7557I mean, you only see things narrowly otherwise you would see this wasn't any of the women's fault. Why was Paris so stupid to steal a rulers wife, he had no reason, and took no accountability, just him hiding behind his brother and father. His the one that started this war, not Helen. 😕 Also, ppl who think like you are the dumbest ppl. Stay narrow and stupid. 🙄
They needed to hire Andrei Konchalovsky, who was the director of The Odyssye with Armand Assante, and adapt The Iliad appropriately.
The script is worthy of a trash film.
Troy is by far one of those overlooked action packed movies that you just don’t see anymore, great story telling and even better action.
Could you please react to The Grey & Dog Soldiers both are definitely worth watching if you want gritty, suspenseful action that’ll keep you engaged the entire film.
It’s funny how Orlando Bloom is in pretty much all movies like this… Kingdom of Heaven, Lord of the Rings trilogy, Pirates of the Caribbean trilogy
For centuries, it was thought the Battle at Troy (And the city itself), was only myth. A dedicated Archaeologist believed the story/tale, and after some years, finally unearthed the burnt remains of it. Absolutely LOVED the choreography, though they cut the life/story of Achilles short, it was still a pretty honest interpretation of his legendary life and death. Wonderful 'Reaction' yet again! :-D
58:15 The boy that Paris gives the sword of Troy to is Aeneas, who would escape and become the founder of Rome.
Well no not even remotely close. That’s legend and legend is his Descendents founded it, which is also not true .
@@LudusAurea en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aeneas
Aeneas (in myth) founded the city of Lavinium. His son, Ascanius, would later found the city of Alba Longa. Romulus and Remus were descendants of Ascanius, about 15 generations later.
@ay The primary account for this is Virgil's Aeneid and in that story his is a progenitor of rome, not a founder. His descendants Romulus and Remus were the mythlogical founders of rome.
@@LudusAureaSherlock Holmes we are talking on he context of the story or you believe Aeneas is a legend but Achilles is true? All these people are fake maybe only the Kings existed
The thing I absolutely adore about this movie is that it tells an ancient tale about gods and heroes, but deliberately does away with all the supernatural stuff. The story "Troy" tells is how these events might have actually transpired back then. Also, having Brad Pitt and Eric Bana play Achilles and Hector was just impeccable casting.
Ajax: I shall be immortalized for generations to come!
*Becomes a household de-greasing cleaning*
underrated❤
I mean... One of the greatest historical football teams in Europe, UEFA champion (long ago) isn't bad
Francis.
Ajax is stronger than grease (Greece).
@@jamiemahoney2446 where's Francis??
If you liked "Troy", I highly recommend "Kingdom of Heaven"! It stars Orlando Bloom as well, and also Liam Neeson, Eva Green and Jeremy Irons. Though make sure you watch the director's cut, since it adds so much more to the movie!
Fun fact:That giant prop trojan horse was given to Turkey as a present just because the original legend located in dardanelles(çanakkale). You can see the horse in the downtown of Çanakkale today.
Also fun fact: The Horse was in the flag of TROY and in there deity. So ending is proper.
56:31 "And this, my friends, is how the TSA came to be..."
I nearly spit out my drink all over my computer with that! Having worked for the TSA from the beginning, YOU don't understand how funny that was! amazing quote, thank you for that!
Helena of Troy, the face that launched a thousand ships.
I just realised that your movie discussions are the only ones I don't skip over.
I don't mean to insult anyone else, but your reaction channel is absolutely the best I've seen.
It's so refreshing to not hear "like" every three words, and some interesting opinions instead of "brooo look at that shot yo".
Your compliment means the world to us. It really does! We put a lot of effort in those discussions and encourage you guys to give your thoughts down here because we truly love hearing what you guys have to say about these films. So thank you for watching ❤️
@@OfficialMediaKnights Thank you both! 👍
FANTASTIC MOVIE!! 💪😎💪
Pitt has one of the BEST burns in movie history! "... and that is why no one will remember your name." 😁😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣
💘💘 Diane Kruger! 💗💗💗🥰🥰🥰🥰🥰🥰🥰
3:30 The character of the kid was listed as "Messenger boy" in the credits. At the end of the day, nobody remembered his name.
Petersen also directed two movies from my Childhood: _The Neverending Story_ and _Enemy Mine._ Both are awesome and worth checking out. He would later on helm _In the line of Fire, Outbreak, Air Force One_ and _The Perfect Storm_ in a row. All highly regarded. Sadly, he passed away in 2022.
Adding these to our list! Thank you for the suggestions 😄
@@OfficialMediaKnightsif you wanna watch more “historical movies” or “fantasy action” movies, watch Kingdom of Heaven, King Arthur, Lord of the Rings, Pirates of the Caribbean
RIP to Wolfgang Petersen and Peter O’Toole
Yes, these are all great movies. But his masterpiece and the film he is probably most famous for is his german film Das Boot, which also was nominated for 6 Oscars.
As a German, I'm very proud of his Hollywood Blockbuster career. Probably similar how the Dutch feel about Paul Verhoeven.
In real history... Achilles dies before greeks get into troy from Paris who knew his weak target which god Aphrodite told him...the horse was an idea from Odysseus and agamemnon died after greeks returned back home by his wife because he killed his daughter to get healthy to Troy(by god Dimitra)... after the war of troy Odyssey starts with Odysseus fighting in the sea for 12 years trying to get back to Ithaki...That was a small History - Mythology lesson from a greek guy I hope u find it interesting 😁
Homer Is at the core of our western literature. I studied
both masterpieces in Italy
in Junior High and friends
in High school read It in ancient Greek. In 20yrs in the
US I tried to stress the sublime
literary value but only artists
and teachers got It , others put
It on the same level as soaps.
Did you watch the '68 Odissey
with the great Irene Papas? I
have It on DVD. The US TV one
skipped the Argo the dog part
(Heresy!). All the changes are
stupid, Hollywood does It with
everything from Doyle to the
Gospel . One executive in the
50s said " This character named Judas Is too negative,
could we eliminate him?"
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I remember when this movie came out back in 2004 hearing from the Audience Reaction from Is Achilles saving her from being branded was Awesome!
This movie is Sick as hell, sadly we don't see movies like This anymore, Glad you Guys did The reaction thanks for This!! Great Channel too!
thank the woke mob
@Finwaell I would love to hear you explain how "the woke mob" is the reason movies aren't like this anymore.
Peter O'Toole, who played Priam, spoke negatively of the film during an appearance at the Savannah Film Festival, stating he walked out of the film fifteen minutes into a screening, and criticized the director, slamming him as "a clown". Years later, Brad Pitt expressed disappointment with the film, saying: "I had to do Troy because [...] I pulled out of another movie and then had to do something for the studio. So I was put in Troy. It wasn't painful, but I realized that the way that movie was being told was not how I wanted it to be. I made my own mistakes in it. What am I trying to say about Troy? I could not get out of the middle of the frame. It was driving me crazy. I'd become spoiled working with David Fincher. It's no slight on Wolfgang Petersen. Das Boot is one of the all-time great films. But somewhere in it, Troy became a commercial kind of thing. Every shot was like, 'Here's the hero!' There was no mystery."
Maybe, there was no mystery as most adults are familiar with the outcome and the phrase "Trojan Horse" but I am not a film buff at all. I have watched 20 films at home in the last year but have only been to the cinema twice in London in 35 years aubce 1989 and I,thoroughly enjoyed it.
"You won't have eyes tonight. You won't have ears or a tongue. You will wander the Underworld blind, deaf and dumb and all the dead will know; This is Hector, the fool who thought he killed Achilles."
Still one of the best lines I've ever heard.
One of my favorite movies of all time. It never ceases to amaze me. The scale, score, battles, characters,and etc were all handled expertly. A true epic. I didnt think i could like this movie anymore till I was this version and was blown away again.
I dont think I ever rooted for anyone I got everyone except Agamemnon and Paris. of course lol. They were just not it lol. I was heart broken for Hector like his death was such a gut punch for me.
Lol facts, Agamemnon, Paris and Menelaus were definitely not it!
Hector was such an honorable man, it just hurt to see him go out that way, especially considering how amazing of a fight he put up against Achilles! This movie was honestly such a joy to watch!!
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when i watched that movie with my family, my 2 brothers aways pointed out that Hector, diferent from achiles, fought every battle thus far in their duel, so one could assume he was not 100%. They until today cant get over his death
Oh man, DAS BOOT! 🤩 Absolutely watch the original with subtitels, please! And don't bother with the almost 4hr Directors cut, unless you absolutely want to! The theatrical release is plenty awesome enough. It didn't garner it's fans from it for no reason! ❤
Theatrical cut is better purely because of the minimal score during the Hector v Achilles fight. Why they chose to re-score it with Eflman's Planet of the Apes score is beyond me.
I guess you win some and you lose some, which seems to be a common thread with these different cuts. We actually checked out that scene alone on YT and found the score for the theatrical cut stunning!!
Agreed.
Definitely. The original music where Achilles storms the temple is the only music for that scene. This took the epicness out of it.
I was just gunna mention the same thing,the directors cut is bobbins due to the soundtrack
look it up they found troy !!!!! Sci accepts this now , the only difference is that the walls were only 30 ft high on not like 70 ft , the city was a much smaller scale then they thought !
Also, I love the WAY you two watch movies.l and how you react to the emotional scenes.
There is nothing disingenuous.
So I'll keep watching.
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This movie doesnt get the credit it deserves.
Great performances by everyone involved.
Great cast and Great fuckin movie, One of my favorite movies ever, everything was done so greatly. Not Only Eric bana and And Brad Pitt But everyone Else did a Fantastic job in This period.
What’s interesting is that both Hector and Achilles both accomplished their goal as well.
Achilles wanted to be remembered and because of his death in Troy he is remembered forever and his story lived on to modern day.
Hector’s goal was to keep his country safe. While he died and Troy was destroyed, the person Paris gave the sword of Troy to was Aeneas. Aeneas was a cousin of Hector and Paris and he would lead the Trojan refugees on a journey from Troy to Carthage and then Italy. From there the descendants of Troy would become the first Romans
Hector and Achilles both won in the end
Such a great epic action adventure film from the late Wolfgang Petersen and an amazing musical by the late James Horner.
There were some issues behind the scenes that involved a hurricane or tropical storm destroying the set, and some of the actors and crew threatened to go on strike if they weren't paid enough for the job.
Whoaaa we had no idea about the last part!! Thank you so much for sharing!
Also my goodness, James Horner always struck gold with his score - what a talent he was!
Also airplanes kept flying into shots lol
What? This version got replaced with a lousy soundtrack... The original theatrical version had a MUCH BETTER soundtrack.
Yes, there was glory in the way Achilles died. He went back to Troy -- in the midst of a surprise attack/battle -- to save Polydora. He died with his heart full of love for her and he fought bravely to protect her. That, to me, is glorious. By the way, Paris effed up, no question about it. However, he did love Helen -- and he did find his bravery and honor by the end of the film.
You should put 13th warrior with Antonio Banderas on your list. One of my favourite films.
I remember that one. It was pretty good. I read the book it was based on too. The movie did a decent adaptation but it left some stuff out. I can’t remember if I would recommend the film or rewatch it but I think I enjoyed it as a one off one time watch.
As someone who reads the Iliad every year, I love this film. Brad Piutt and Eric Bana are so good and their fight gets me almost as much as it does in Homer.
right? the little shits belittling this marvel have never even see a kids book on the greek myths. just typical
Fun fact: Brad Pitt himself didn’t like his performance as Achilles… he said he thought he underperformed
This is an excellent piece of film in so many respects. Speaking of which, I really hope you decide to do the new Dune movie at some point. Can't believe you haven't reacted to it yet. Definitely looking forward to Das Boot. U-571 (2000) was another excellent submarine movie you might consider.
OK, For those who DID NOT study history, and those who have NOT asked the question. What happened to the Trojans who escaped the city and followed Prince Paris and Aeneas? Well now that I got you thinking, I will be listing countries as in MODERN DAY, some of them have been changed through the 3,200 years or so since the events of the Trojan war, The site of the ancient City State of Troy, TODAY is in what we know as the country of Turkey, When Paris and Aeneas, along with Helen and Prince Hector's widow and son, fled the City as it was falling, they led them on a long trip to find a new home for their people, the survivors of Troy, this took them from Troy, through a large portion of what we know as Turkey, around the Sea of Marmara, and exiting out of Turkey THROUGH the modern day countries of Bulgaria, Macedonia, Kosovo, Montenegro, Bosnia, Croatia, Austria, and Liechtenstein, before turning South and going through Switzerland and into what we know today as the Italian Peninsula, when they arrived, the people on the continent were very disorganized and basically TRIBES at this point, the Trojan survivors led by Prince Paris, with the assistance of Helen, Hector's widow and Aeneas, quickly built a defensive position where we now know as Rome, and began conquering and consolidating the different indigenous tribes on the Italian Peninsula, During this time, MANY tribes on the Italian Peninsula, who wanted nothing to do with the Empire building that Paris had in mind, began to voluntarily band together to oppose Paris's forces so the landmass that we know today as Italy, back then contained hundreds of small tribes, and hundreds of small governing bodies, with his conquest Paris conquered and controlled about 70% of them, the others banded together and this created the second competitor for Italy and the land, after Paris's death, his son took over becoming the first King of the new "COUNTRY" that his father had formed, and some will argue, the first ruler of what we know as ancient Rome, but this was still about 600 years BEFORE the time of the Caesars of Rome the COUNTRY, the CITY of Rome was still the seat of power for Paris, his Son and Grandsons till the Republican period began and the Roman Empire began to rise, as the "SECOND" smaller country was absorbed into what was being called ROME as a country, or the Roman Republic from around 510 BC to around 40 BC, it was around this time that the Roman Empire that we all know of today was born and the Caesars began to rule and this was from around 31 BC till around 476 AD, So Prince Paris, could accurately be described as the creator of the Roman Empire, and by extension, Italy!
Paris was killed, Helen returned to Menelaus and Andromache became the slave of Achilles' son.
This fanfic ruined the history of the iliad.
Paris and Helen never managed to escape the city, as happened with Mark Antony and Cleopatra. This was the biggest convenience in the script.
This is my favorite movie of all time. Its so well done in terms of Acting, soundtrack, immersion, dialogue, costume, scenery. I could go on for days. It's just like in the movie Titanic where you know the ship is going to sink, but you still wish hopelessly that they don't hit the iceberg. Here you know the city is going to be sacked, but you can help but hope it wont be. Honestly it just a beautiful film that takes you on an amazing journey into the past.
I watch other reactors other than you.. but I don't think I've ever seen more 'human' reactors than you guys, your empathy and humanity shine through in every video, its admirable.. 'good people' as they say
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For a minute there, I completely forgot how epic this movie was.
Achilies died still undefeated in battle!
I love watching reactions because I get to see a different perspective on movies. I have watched this many times but you guys gave me a whole new level to appreciate this.
From wikipedia....Achilles was invulnerable in all of his body except for one heel. According to that myth, when his mother Thetis dipped him in the river Styx as an infant, she held him by one of his heels leaving it untouched by the waters and thus his only vulnerable body part.
One of my favorite movies of all time. I love it so much. Watched it million times and never gets boring 😎
Love the acting so much 😍
I'm glad you guys finally watched it 🙂
This was such a joy to watch honestly, so definitely understand this being one of your favorites!! The acting really was incredible!!
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@@OfficialMediaKnights I love greek mythology movies so much. You should watch other movies too about greek mythology, they're very fun 😉
One of my favorite things about this movie is how they play on The Myth.... Even though in the movie he is killed by the arrows going into his chest, When the soldiers find his body, the only arrow that is still in him is the one in his Achilles.
I appreciate how they choreographed Achilles' death. That initial arrow to the heel was definitely painful, but ultimately probably did nothing towards killing him, but those subsequent arrows to the torso did him in, but since the arrow in the foot was the only one he didn't pull out, it _appears_ as though _that_ was the killing blow that finally downed the might Achilles, birthing the legend of the warrior.
One of the most heartbreaking things about Hector is one of his titles was ‘Breaker of Horses’. The practice of breaking horses, making them able to be ridden, is a peace time pursuit, one that nobody has the time for during war. The last line mentioning Hector in the Iliad is ‘And so they buried Hector, breaker of horses.’ He was remembered for his peace time efforts as much as his prowess as a warrior.
A fascinating book that should live on every shelf next to the Iliad is Memorial: An Excavation of the Iliad by Alice Oswald, which strips away the story of the Iliad and lists every death found from cover to cover, their description and name, bringing to the forefront how massive a loss the battles were.
It’s a constant theme throughout the story but Priam put it best ‘How many cousins have you killed?’ because each man killed in battle truly could have been their killer’s cousin, or brother, each man as ordinary and extraordinary as the other, both survivor and killer. That’s the tragedy of war.
Few notice this...Hector kept trying to cut Achilles in the Achilles heel but Achilles would jump over the offensive move with one leg....absolutely brilliant. As if Hector studied how to get to him and Achilles was ready for it.
Gladiator and 300 get all the recognition deservedly so but this is my favorite movie of all time. A masterpiece IMO.
A funny little easter egg:
Aeneas, the guy who gets the Sword of Troy, is the mythological founder of Rome. It's pretty dubious that he actually started Rome and it's very likely that the Romans just made that up to create some sort of historical connection to someone older and greater. They were probably descendent from at least some Greek settlers, but there's no prove for them to be actual Trojans.
But it's also kinda fun to imagine the refugees of Troy founding Rome, one of the most important cities of all times and then coming back to Greece to get revenge.
The whole story of the Illiad, Oddesy and Aeneid are basically just myths, but it makes things a bit more fun.
*_Hector telling the Greeks they can gather their dead is not purely an honorable gesture: It is a strategic one too. An army’s worth of dead bodies at the gate of one’s besieged city is not something someone wants! The smell alone could make everyone in the city nauseated, but the bigger risk is that of diseases spreading either by air or washed in by way of contaminated rain waters. If it weren’t for those risks, no city under siege would ever give such right as the bodies on the battle ground would greatly hinder the invaders’ march to the walls of the city. But, especially in those days, the threat of of a plague was too much to accept; so letting the enemy safely retrieve and properly dispose of their dead in a timely manner is very prudent._*
The film is one of my favorites. Still, there's something that kept me scratching my head every time I looked at this masterpiece: Agamemnon has a gigantic army - for the time. Fifty thousand infantry. He lands on the coast of Troy, overcomes the defenses there and sets up a base that can be supplied by water. So far so good. But the real destination is the city of Troy. This city is heavily fortified with massive walls and reinforced gates. The massive walls are manned by archers who are considered the best of their time. What exactly was the strategy here?! Fifty thousand men storm the city, without towers, without battering rams and not even ladders. Even if they had destroyed the Trojan forces at the gates and reached the walls, what then?! They would have had no way of overcoming the walls or breaking through the gates. Within minutes, this formidable force would have been cut down by a hail of arrows. Come on people! I expect a little more tactical thinking from a general who has already united several other Greek tribes!
It’s called a siege. Now that doesn’t make for good cinema cause those take months to years to work, depending on how much surplus of food they have. You also have limited number of arrows and such. Not every arrow will hit and they do have large shields that cover all vital organs so it wouldn’t be hard to waste their supply. Now much of Troy is legend and myth, much like Atlantis. That is there is evidence where it may be but impossible to be certain. So who knows what terrain and such they had to actually work with and if the army really did or did not bring things like ladders. Not to mention they could just build them like the horse. The gate was also wood so fire could weaken it enough to be battered down. (Would obviously take some time but it’s better then nothing)
Hey guys! So, I've actually read part of The Iliad (roughly half), and the introduction by itself is a 64 page slog. The tale of Achilles begins because Agamemnon essentially forcibly takes Achilles' prize during the siege on Troy, and this causes Achilles and his followers to almost desert. Achilles does indeed hate Agamemnon's very existence, but he finally does come around and joins the battle.
EDIT: Boagrius is played by Nathan Jones, who stands roughly 6'10'' and weighs 340 pounds. Perfect guy to play a giant.
If I recall, Troy was dumped on when it came out for the acting but compared to movies today it now looks oscar worthy. Its always been a good movie but time has been kind to it it seems.
This movie is flawed, but It’s an absolute blast and an ode to classic Hollywood epics.
Is there no one else? What a first scene. A true Epic well told.
Ahhh what an iconic moment!! The silence that happens afterwards was haunting!
The movie was filmed in Mexico and most of the warriors are just CGI of about 50 or so extras.
They actually built a replica of Achilles ship and Brad Pitt hurt his Achilles tendon after jumping out of it for the beach scene.
The crew also built about three walls to film in front of but due to a hurricane passing through half of it was damaged from high winds and they had to finish filming in front of the remaining one.
The 1 v 1 fight scene had no stunt doubles and Erica Bana had a gentleman's agreement with Brad Pitt that every time one of them got hit the other during filming they'd have to pay up. Bana made 750 while Pitt made 200.
Just some fun facts that I can remember from the BTS. Some of them could be wrong, it's been awhile so don't come at me.
Hector was my goat in this movie ❤.His courage and determination,love for his wife and country and his will to protect the people behind him💪✅
They completely misrepresented Menelaus: he was a honorable man, he loved his wife (and she loved him), and he survived the war, went home with his wife...
Achilles was such a bad ass. My favorite warrior character in literature. Even the opening lines of the Iliad tells he was such a bad ass.
The wrath sing, goddess, of Peleus' son, Achilles, that destructive wrath which brought countless woes upon the Achaeans, and sent forth to Hades many valiant souls of heroes, and made them themselves spoil for dogs and every bird; thus the plan of Zeus came to fulfillment
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I am not a film buff at all. I have watched 20 films at home in the last year but have only been to the cinema twice in London in 35 years since 1989 and I, thoroughly enjoyed it.
One of the attributes of Apollo is that among the gods he is the great archer (along with Eros, of course). Hence the manner of Achilles’ death. In Greek mythology, for those who offend the gods it never ends well.
Achilles was demigod according to mythology and his power to fight, block and dodge arrows were taken when Paris hit the mark or the weak spot. I thought it was a good adaptation of the mythology. Good show, Media Knights. Keep up with the great work 👏 👍 💪 🙌 👌 😀
"I'm surprised Sean Bean is still alive." Dude, he's playing ODYSSEUS. Don't forget, Odysseus has his OWN adventure after the Trojan War ends in The Odyssey!
Great reaction to a great movie. Even with exclusions (such as Diomedes and Penthesilea) it's epic as ever.
Not sure if you guys caught it , but Helen is played by Diane Kruger. She is also Bridget von Hammersmark in Inglourious Basterds
100% better then gladaitor
I remember watching this in high school. I have loved this movie ever since then. I'm so glad you did this movie. I would really love to see y'all do Poseidon from 2005.
Actually Paris didn't grow up with the royal family. His mother Hecuba while pregnant with him dreamed that she gave birth to a lit torch which meant he would be Troy's doom. Be seer told them to actually kill the child but Priam couldn't do it and he gave the child to a goat herder told him to kill it but he also couldn't to live the child to die on Mount Idi either from exposure or the wild animals. Nine days later he returned to find the baby alive( he was breastfed by a bear) and he took the baby with him in a bag and raised him as his own and got a dogs tongue a proof to Priam that the baby was dead.
Also Agamemnon didn't die there but later in his palace killed in his bath and by his own wife no less and her lover which gave rise to another story. There's a great movie based on the play of Euripedes called Trojan Women(1971) which is set after the fall of Troy staring Katharine Hepburn, Vanessa Redgrave, Geneviève Bujold and Irene Papas. You should definately check that one too.
A lot of good picks lately from you two. It didn't trip my trigger when suggested. My stepfather and I were on a job and got hung up in a blizzard speaking current events (I'm in the desert scraping ice of my gravel today looking over at the nice weather in Wisconsin?). He insisted and being familiar with the mythology even I was inclined to think this would be some macho nonsense. But instead it is very deep and well done. They really went the distance to actually relay the deeper meaning and life lessons of the story. Having such a great ensemble helped that of course.
Agamemnon was Uncle Argyll in Braveheart, Menelaus was Hamish, Wallace's big red-headed friend.
It's the only 3 hour movie I watch annually and never skip a scene. Whether or not the events happened, Troy is one of my favorite films.
The movie condenses everything down quite a bit, since the Greeks actually laid siege for something like 10 years before they finally destroyed Troy. But I think they did an excellent job of getting the major points across. "That's why no one will remember your name." Just one of many memorable lines in this excellent movie :) I was in High School from '01-'04. During my senior year, my English teacher had us watch this in class across several days. I immediately developed a crush on Diane Kruger ;)
Speaking of long, epic movies that feature Orlando Bloom, you two NEED to watch the director's cut of Kingdom of Heaven. Another excellent history-based film :)
Fun fact... until about 150 years ago, it was still up for debate whether Troy had been a real city or just a metaphor.
-"Sire, based on the visible injuries sustained, Achilles died from an arrow in his _whatever-we-call-the-tendon-connecting-the-calf-with-the-heel._ By Apollo, we need a better name for it!"