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You two are hilarious & insightful. Much of the dialogue was taken directly from the the actual story by Homer who wrote The Iliad. A Trojan Horse came to be a term for an object of deception and your Achilles' Heel is known as our weak spot. The depiction of him removing the arrows except in the heel secured the myth of his death. BTW I've used this line on potential lovers "You will never be lovelier as your now and we will never be here again", and it works! LOL!
The coins over the eyes thing is a part of Greek mythology. When you die, you get sent to the Underworld, but you have to cross the River Styx to get there. In order to cross it you have to pay the ferryman, Charon, two gold coins so that he will take you there.
Fun fact. Brad Pitt, playing Achilles, the guy who’s only weakness was his Achilles tendon, suffered an injury to his Achilles tendon playing the role.
Also fun fact, this version of Achilles is nothing more than an amazing fighter and has no godly protection. The movie alludes to the gods not existing several times and Achilles himself says he wouldn't need a shield if he couldn't be harmed. Paris kills him with arrows but he removes all but the one that went through his heel, his soldiers found him that way, and thus the legend was born
Achilles storming the beach is one of the greatest things ever. And when he throws that shield over his back a split second before the spear hits...👌🏽 {{chef's kiss}}
For the longest time, I thought that was the case - the arrow hitting the shield right as he slings it over his back. BUT ... that's not the truth. In reality, the arrow was already stuck there from earlier in the battle, it just so happens when he slings it over his back to get it out of the way (so he can dual wield two swords), an arrow from earlier in the battle was already stuck in there and that's just an optical illusion. Makes you think he had eyes in the back of his head, but I don't think that was the intention of that scene.
2 myth things: 1. Sean Bean’s character is Odysseus, whose journey home from the Trojan War is called The Odyssey. 2. The guy Paris gave the sword to is Aeneas, who the Aeneid is about. He supposedly lead the fleeing Trojans to Italy, and was the ancestor of the founders of Rome.
I wish they would have had Helen hate Paris and try to go back to Menelaus like in the real story. Still a great movie, I just wish they didn't rush the whole war haha.
@@kimberlyjeanne9456if they did this today, I wish they’d make them use bronze age armor and chariot warfare cuz that would make for a sight thats unseen in movies
@@therealCrispyKid "Sewed". Benioff's original script was rewritten by Skip Woods. I highly recommend checking out '25th Hour' and then come back here with an original take.
And all this happened because 3 goddesses were in an argument over who was the most beautiful, and asked a naive mortal to choose between them lol if anyone’s read the Iliad you know what I mean
I remember having a history project on this movie in high school n one of the questions was comparing it to the Iliad but since I knew to much of this teacher asked me about something I’m like ya Ajax’s the greater wasn’t killed by hector matter fact he lived longer n committed suicide because Athena cursed him because she favoured Odysseus n Odysseus won the rights to Achilles Armor so he went insane.
@cailanmurray4430 yeah and Agamemnon wasn't killed by Brisies. He was killed by his own wife when he arrived home, because he'd sacrificed his Daughter to the gods for good weather for journey to Troy. I know its a lot more complicated than that, and really he wasn't a villian like this movie makes out.
@@Welsh_Dragon756 "he sacrificed his daughter, but really he wasn't a villain" - while I know what you mean, putting it like that gave me a good chuckle
The legend of Achilles goes like this. His mother dipped him in the river by holding on to his ankle so that where all the water touched him, he would never be harmed by a weapon. Because she was holding him by the Achilles tendon, that part of him didn't get wet, and that part became his weakness. When the arrow pierced his Achilles tendon, it broke the blessing on Achilles.
All of the above are correct except that the arrow that Paris shot was poisoned what's what killed him and it was also said that it was guided by Apollo. Paris also got shot by Philoctetes with the arrows that were given to him by Herakles and were poisoned by hydra's blood
@@QuayNemSorr lol I'm envisioning the long weekend side. 1st greek:Hey we've got a 3 day coming up for Zeus's birthday what say we go to Troy and wreck some shyt, we can be back at the office by monday. 2nd greek:Well I was going fishing but what the hades.
That is correct. Rome was not found until centuries later? Lol, how quick does one think a "civilisation" takes to form...5 days? Come on now. Myths are born from facts. I believe it.
The guy Orlando Bloom gave his sword to at the end of the movie was Aeneas. In mythology he was the son of the Goddess Aphrodite & is a prince of Troy. He is said to have led the Trojans out of the burning city & eventually stopped what is now Italy to establish the Roman people
I haven't even finished watching your reaction and I just wanna say I ABSOLUTELY LOVE your appreciation of the lines. They're beautifully written and eloquently delivered. Awesome reaction so far!
Troy is such a classic. My friends and I are constantly quoting it. "Immortality, Take it! It's YOURS!" "You sack of wine!" and "The gods envy US." haha, iconic. Also: David Benioff's film and TV writing credits go crazy!
Is a shame blame someone just because didn't know something. Clearly and many times they said especially the miss, that they didn't know any about it, I did read the full book from Homer when was kid, also hundreds books more, Im Shure I know about the history a lot more than many people, and not just Greek History or mitology, also Roman, Chinese, pre Hispanics, and the history of so many countries, is ridiculous got mad just because other person ignore this, if you know something is because you interested on that, or just to show how smart you think you are?
THIS. I'm like have they not heard of any of the famous sayings or phrases or history??? LOL I'm not a historian but I've watched enough movies, books, and tv to put things together.
54:40 As it happens, that is how it happens in the Illiad, which is the original Greek myth that this movie is based off of! Achilles had that one vulnerable spot in his heal, and during a fight during which the Greeks forced their way past the gates of Troy, and Paris was fighting alongside the archers on the walls, firing down at the Greeks. He saw Achilles, fired, and Apollo guided his aim so that the arrow pierced Achilles' heel, causing him to bleed out and die.
Even though the movie is not 100% accurate to what happened (for instance how long the war actually went on, 10 years), it's still an epic movie. Watched it so many times!
I can't believe you've never seen this epic movie! Even though Brad Pitt has said that it's not one of his best movies, I love it! It's my second favorite movie of his after Legends of the Fall, which is my favorite Brad Pitt movie!
@@superpanda3857 Dude what’s your obsession with Greg?? Not that I want to feed the troll here but you’ve commented so much about Greg, I want to know lol.
Troy has a special place in my heart. I named my daughter Briseis. Thought the name was so beautiful I told myself (at the time) whenever I have a daughter, her name will be Briseis❤
I have to say i am very surprised that none of them knew about Troy? Troyan horse? Homer and the Iliad? Odysseus? Do Americans not read anything about ancient greece and their mythology?
@karmahed You forget, this is the most uneducated clueless generation of the past 100 years. But they love to talk and show everyone how little they know about...everything.
We do. But I was in AP English, so who knows what they teach in normal classes. I remember my sister reading The Scarlett Latter, The Great Gatsby, To Kill A Mockingbird, etc.. So I think different levels of English learned different things. Can't learn everything. I just read my stuff and her stuff but I'm a reader 😂
Ok Tara, so the to-do list is: -Do the Juice shirt -Ring the Bell shirt -Shejects shirt -Everything is More Beautiful Because We Are DOOMED shirt. Just a reminder. 🤓
It's amusing how many complain about inaccuracies of an adaptation of a fantasy poem adaptation of real events. As far as I know, we have no historical evidence either way of the Trojan Horse beyond the opening parts of the Odyssey, but we have found the remains of Troy and its nine layers showing how many times the city was sacked. In short, you are complaining about discrepancies of a realistic depiction of a fantasy story including gods and demigods. O-kay.
The writer, David Benioff, was one of the co-creators and showrunners of Game of Thrones. So it makes even more sense that there were a few actors in this movie that were later in Game of Thrones and House of the Dragon.
I wasn't too sure how this reaction would play out at first but seeing you guys watch it through the lens of like a Marvel film without knowledge of the mythology or themes was really fun. Like, it almost felt like you bridged time back to 725bc where this was the Mavel of its day and your reactions would have been the reaction of some acient greek geek. I mean this story is so old that one of the movie's inaccuracies was the fact they placed coins on the eyes of the dead (which was a later custom)......... coins hadn't even been invented yet, this story that still works predates coins!!!! But if you like this stuff, you really should look into mythology more. Lucus is famous for studying the heroes journey as inspiration as well as many other story tellers.
@@carpediem9750 they recently found ancient remains of a city in that area with some ancient greek war objects so it is likely Homer didn't invent this war for his epic but actually based the Iliad on a real situation.
Is nothing wrong with me at least that some people ignored some things, is like I laughed when I see in internet hay many Americans just can't localized his own country in a map, I could say, well I had this in geography in the elementary how is this possible? Or another for example, as a mexican always is important to me trying to learn another country lenguaje, I could say well why not to many Americans speak just one language? One of the first rules of knowledge is not feel superior just for know something that other person know. Is just absurd.
43:45 - COINS ON THE EYELIDS - This practice has been observed in England and other European countries, as well as in Jewish bereavement. In England, it was believed that if the eyes were left open, the dead would search for someone to accompany them to the grave. In ancient Greece, when people died, it was believed they needed coins to pay Charon the ferryman to cross the river Styx.
Right? They had a complexity to them that could be for adults but the themes and lessons were always so basic for kids to understand and adults to be reminded of. Idk, I come across a lot of parents who think some stories are “too much” for a little kid to understand.
Same here, I learned this stuff when I was in elementary school and I’ve heard about so many times while growing up. It’s all most impressive they’ve never heard about this before.
Let’s pretend that every school in America goes into full detail on certain historical topics. 🙄 They half-ass lessons most of the time. Just enough to fill the curriculum. And depending on the decade, they mostly cared about teaching just enough for the standardized testing. Plus, there were (probably still are) too many students per teacher for them to manage, not enough funding etc… The list goes on and on.
This movie came out when CGI was just starting, so doing shots like with a thousand ships was something we never saw before. We didn't have CGI like we have today, so they were limited, but thats why the movie looks so good. They had just enough cg for wide angle boat shots, but not for much else.
The most shocking thing in this movie is Sean Bean lives, which seldom happens in any movie he is in. Nice reaction, you noticed and appreciated more than most reactors. It rewarding when a reactor truly gets into a movie.
That "important guy for history" at the end is Aeneas, the founding father of the Romans. Acc. to legend, Aeneas led a group of Trojan refugees across the sea to Italy. The Trojan refugees settled in Italy, and intermarried with the local Latins, and became the future Romans, founded the city of Rome, etc. The Romans always believed themselves to be the descendants of the Trojans. When many centuries later the Romans conquered Greece, they talked about it as Trojan "payback" against the Greeks, for the fall of Troy centuries earlier.
Wolfgang Peterson was supposed to direct a Batman v. Superman film back in the day but then he directed Troy taking what he had planned for the DC film incorporating elements from the scrapped film to this greek tragedy. Brad Pitt hand-picked Eric Bana for Hector after seeing his performance in the film Chopper.
Odyssius (Sean Beans character) was a cool character in Greek mythology and history. By all account he was an above average warrior. . .but where he really excelled (according to the greeks) was in his cunning and intellect. He was also quite the adventurer.
This movie is epic in how it brought the classic book to life! Brad Pitt was perfect as Achilles, and Eric Bana truly encapsulated Hector. Such great performances by everyone in this film. I would love to see you guys react to "The Legend of Awesomest Maximus" now. It's a parody of Troy, Gladiator, and 300, and it's hilarious! Awesome reaction! ❤❤
1:08:45 - ACHILLES' HEEL WAS VULNERABLE BECAUSE... his mother, Thetis, held him by the heel while dipping him in the River Styx as an infant. Every part of his body the waters touched became invulnerable. However, the tips of her fingers left some of his skin untouched by the waters therefore unprotected. The term 'Achilles Heel' is a metaphor used to indicate a weakness that can easily be exploited.
Great reaction guys! You commented on the music a few times, James Horner gave us many great scores such as Titanic, bicentennial man, the amazing spiderman.
Years ago I fell down a rabbit hole of weird un unusual units of measurement. It is said that Helen of Troy was so beautiful, the Spartan launched a fleet of a thousand ships to get her back. You can derive from it the micro-Helen, the amount of beauty necessary to launch one ship
I wouldn't be so quick to congratulate the screenplayers for the best dialogues and phrases in this movie. I'm honest with you, I never read "The Iliad" or "The Odessey" but it is possible that perhaps those dialogues that you liked so much come from those works of Homer. Because the Trojan War is narrated in those classic literary works as I understand it.
I'm honestly surprised of how ignorant Americans are about The Iliad (And the Odyssey)... I'm from a poor Latin American country, only did middle school and i knew the basics of Homer's epic.
my guy this is not an American thing. We learn about the Trojan War and Greek/Roman mythology in grade school. And we grow up with tons of shows and cartoons about it. How these two didn’t know? No clue.
@@CYB3R2K Okay. But they are still abnormally uninformed about the subject matter for an American. I mean one of the two most popular condom brand in the country is literally called “Trojan” and their logo is the Trojan horse lol
The movie Troy is one of the very few Hollywood depictions of ancient Greek history and mythology that actually does somewhat justice to the original characters and philosophy (although the gods played a much bigger role in the original story). Obviously it's a summary of Homer's Iliad but as a Greek I don't cringe when I see it, I feel like they honoured the original text and respected the culture. And yes, the word epic comes from this guy Homer who wrote these epic (epos = long and grand) poems back in the 9th century B.C. Fun fact, Homer's Odyssey begins right after the end of this war as Odysseus begins his way back to his kingdom and his family in the island of Ithaca.
I love how the King sounds like a parent that can't control a rebelious teenager @ 44:50. Great reaction, you two. I am really liking the new format for the channel. "There are no pacts between Lions and Men."
Screenwriter David Benioff is today probably best known as one of the co-creators of the TV series adaptation of George R.R. Martin's Game of Thrones. Most recently he also co-created Netflix' version of 3 Body Problem.
I see sooo many of those poeple putting "First time" regarding so many "mainstream" movies that I really wondering what kind of public is this and how old they are. Cz it is impossible they haven't watch so many of those movies.
i remember but young watching this movie with my dad and cousin when we went on a fishing trip. after being on the boat all day and coming back to the beach house and watching this epic movie. great memory
@davidjrtolson6832. No, youtube streamers dont care about directors cuts, any more than they care about movies. Its just background noise to them, they only care about the sound of their own voices.
The whole deal of Achilles dragging Hector's body around the city 6 times in his rage after the Challenge and fight is known as "The Wrath Of Achilles"
Had this one on dvd as a kid, I loved Greek myths and this was a fantastic film with a great script, visuals (epic!) and fight scenes. Glad to see it still holds up
@@coreyrees840 I’m sorry but you are referring to a contemporary literature spin of the original story by a novelist called Madeline Miller who in 2012 re-imagined the cousin’s relationship in her novel. That has nothing to do with the original text from Homer as she has admitted herself. Patroklos’ father was Menitos who was Peleus brother. Peleus was Achilles’ father. And Patroklos’ mother was probably one of Peleus’ daughters. So definitely cousins. There is no debate. Just a bad habit of people messing around with other people’s cultures.
Key Differences in the Film "Troy" 1. Menelaus' Death: • Film: Killed by Hector during the duel with Paris. • Myth: Survives the Trojan War, returns to Sparta with Helen. 2. Agamemnon's Death: • Film: Killed by Briseis during the sack of Troy. • Myth: Survives the Trojan War, killed by Clytemnestra and Aegisthus upon his return to Mycenae.
fun fact, david benioff, who was a really young author (wrote 25th hour, adopted by spike lee.. i think, staring edward norton) wrote troy as his first script. a decade later he and his buddy were one of a dozen or so groups who pitched george RR martin on adapting game of thrones, and was chosen because him and DB weiss (an english college professor at the time) were the only ones he felt actually read and understood the novel. Was such a huge fan of his even from the beginning. Such a shame... his career is now like a greek tragedy of modern TV entertainment:P
Reaction channels frustrate me when the reactors don't even know the titular character's name(s) until the 15th minute. You already have a rep for lazy content, don't make it more true.
In siege warfare the defending army can be far smaller than the attacking army and still win, that’s why the Trojans were so confident that they would win and it took trickery to ultimately defeat them
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You two are hilarious & insightful. Much of the dialogue was taken directly from the the actual story by Homer who wrote The Iliad. A Trojan Horse came to be a term for an object of deception and your Achilles' Heel is known as our weak spot. The depiction of him removing the arrows except in the heel secured the myth of his death. BTW I've used this line on potential lovers "You will never be lovelier as your now and we will never be here again", and it works! LOL!
The coins over the eyes thing is a part of Greek mythology. When you die, you get sent to the Underworld, but you have to cross the River Styx to get there. In order to cross it you have to pay the ferryman, Charon, two gold coins so that he will take you there.
Yeah, I thought it was in the school program.
That's shitty, even in death, you still have to pay for transportation.
As someone who took a Greek mythology elective as an undergrad. I am definitely qualified to say, this is true 👍
"See? Billy Idol gets it, I don't see why she doesn't get it."
Does poeple learn nothing now a day. i mean I know education in america is .... when i come to anything outside America, still.
Achilles had me and my siblings calling everyone a “sack of wine” 20yrs later at 24yrs old I still do it 😂😂😂
Same!!!! Nice to meet a fellow sack of wine.
35yrs old and I still say "sack of wine"
You watched this movie at 4 years old?
Fun fact. Brad Pitt, playing Achilles, the guy who’s only weakness was his Achilles tendon, suffered an injury to his Achilles tendon playing the role.
That is what we call irony
Achilles heel
Fun Fact: That didn't happen. That was a myth that was busted.
Also fun fact, this version of Achilles is nothing more than an amazing fighter and has no godly protection. The movie alludes to the gods not existing several times and Achilles himself says he wouldn't need a shield if he couldn't be harmed. Paris kills him with arrows but he removes all but the one that went through his heel, his soldiers found him that way, and thus the legend was born
he also said that he had seen the gods
one of the few movies that Sean Bean didn't die.
Pixels is another one.
Silent hill is another one sean bean doesn't die
Oh my god. It is. Hahah
National treasure is another though he does goto jail
The Martian
Achilles storming the beach is one of the greatest things ever. And when he throws that shield over his back a split second before the spear hits...👌🏽 {{chef's kiss}}
I've seen this movie many times. I honestly didn't notice the arrow hitting the shield until this reaction.
I wished Achilles caught the spear and sliced hector face. That would've been nuts.
For the longest time, I thought that was the case - the arrow hitting the shield right as he slings it over his back. BUT ... that's not the truth. In reality, the arrow was already stuck there from earlier in the battle, it just so happens when he slings it over his back to get it out of the way (so he can dual wield two swords), an arrow from earlier in the battle was already stuck in there and that's just an optical illusion. Makes you think he had eyes in the back of his head, but I don't think that was the intention of that scene.
"arrow"*
2 myth things:
1. Sean Bean’s character is Odysseus, whose journey home from the Trojan War is called The Odyssey.
2. The guy Paris gave the sword to is Aeneas, who the Aeneid is about. He supposedly lead the fleeing Trojans to Italy, and was the ancestor of the founders of Rome.
A fellow ancient history nerd it seems. A pleasure to meet you.
I wish they would have had Helen hate Paris and try to go back to Menelaus like in the real story. Still a great movie, I just wish they didn't rush the whole war haha.
If they made this today it would be a trilogy lol
Odysseus well known as Ulises.
@@kimberlyjeanne9456if they did this today, I wish they’d make them use bronze age armor and chariot warfare cuz that would make for a sight thats unseen in movies
"This is like Game of Thrones" "I need to check out whatever David Benioff wrote besides this" LOL
Imagine referencing the White Walkers and 15 min later not knowing who Benioff is.
Don’t bother, his other writing credit include X-men origins Wolverine. The one where they sued Deadpool’s mouth shut
@@therealCrispyKid "Sewed". Benioff's original script was rewritten by Skip Woods. I highly recommend checking out '25th Hour' and then come back here with an original take.
Me pressing play: "There better be a fucking big wooden horse in this" Me 150 minutes later: "Hell yeah"
talk about narrow minded lmfao
@@hrishikeshXXVare you familiar with the concept of a joke?😂
me pressing play ; " i hope they shoot him in the ankle and he goes out looking like a punk"
me at the end of the movie ; "nice." lol
Tara (in response): "Why would there be a big wooden horse?"
And all this happened because 3 goddesses were in an argument over who was the most beautiful, and asked a naive mortal to choose between them lol if anyone’s read the Iliad you know what I mean
I really wish they would do a streaming series that covers the whole epic poem (both), from the beginning of the Iliad to the end of The Odyssey.
@@BloodDjimon614 that would be cool
I remember having a history project on this movie in high school n one of the questions was comparing it to the Iliad but since I knew to much of this teacher asked me about something I’m like ya Ajax’s the greater wasn’t killed by hector matter fact he lived longer n committed suicide because Athena cursed him because she favoured Odysseus n Odysseus won the rights to Achilles Armor so he went insane.
@cailanmurray4430 yeah and Agamemnon wasn't killed by Brisies. He was killed by his own wife when he arrived home, because he'd sacrificed his Daughter to the gods for good weather for journey to Troy. I know its a lot more complicated than that, and really he wasn't a villian like this movie makes out.
@@Welsh_Dragon756 "he sacrificed his daughter, but really he wasn't a villain" - while I know what you mean, putting it like that gave me a good chuckle
27:58 "War is young men dying and old men talking…." Still true today…
Indeed!
War... war never changes...
The legend of Achilles goes like this. His mother dipped him in the river by holding on to his ankle so that where all the water touched him, he would never be harmed by a weapon. Because she was holding him by the Achilles tendon, that part of him didn't get wet, and that part became his weakness. When the arrow pierced his Achilles tendon, it broke the blessing on Achilles.
All of the above are correct except that the arrow that Paris shot was poisoned what's what killed him and it was also said that it was guided by Apollo. Paris also got shot by Philoctetes with the arrows that were given to him by Herakles and were poisoned by hydra's blood
@@jasondim2316 And the war actually lasts for 10 years and not just a long weekend.
@@QuayNemSorr lol I'm envisioning the long weekend side. 1st greek:Hey we've got a 3 day coming up for Zeus's birthday what say we go to Troy and wreck some shyt, we can be back at the office by monday. 2nd greek:Well I was going fishing but what the hades.
you forgot which water: the river styx
In the epic, The Aenead, Aeneas, the man who left with the Sword of Troy, would lead the surviving Trojans and go on to found the Roman Empire.
I mean they founded the beginning of Rome is the idea yeah. Roman Empire wasnt established until centuries later
Like the guy above me said not the Roman empire but the Roman city itself! Which I think is cooler. 😊
Romulus and his twin brother created Rome
That is correct. Rome was not found until centuries later? Lol, how quick does one think a "civilisation" takes to form...5 days? Come on now. Myths are born from facts. I believe it.
@ducksauce9187 Mate. The ROMANS themselves say they descended from the Trojans of the war. Who are you to dictate what is and what is not?
"Helen of Troy"... the face that launched a thousand ships
No really, the king's ships were there to conquere Troy, not foe Helena
@@alifc1082 nevertheless, she was the excuse
Don't you mean Helena Troy? 😂
Helena is Bradley Troy's sister?
I'm so surprised they didn't read any of this in English class... maybe they forgot.
i didnt know I needed a "Troy is not a person" Tshirt with Tara's face on it
Yeah, clearly she doesn't pay attention
“To hear that from your father right before you know you’re going to die is a great gift” absolute facts! Great reaction!
The guy Orlando Bloom gave his sword to at the end of the movie was Aeneas. In mythology he was the son of the Goddess Aphrodite & is a prince of Troy. He is said to have led the Trojans out of the burning city & eventually stopped what is now Italy to establish the Roman people
I feel like every kid I grew up with in the early 2000s knew the story..
I don't know why I was shocked that you guys didn't know about Troy. They were teaching that even in elementary school back in the day
You were shocked because you have to be living under a rock to be THIS ignorant of the story.
I haven't even finished watching your reaction and I just wanna say I ABSOLUTELY LOVE your appreciation of the lines. They're beautifully written and eloquently delivered. Awesome reaction so far!
Troy is such a classic. My friends and I are constantly quoting it. "Immortality, Take it! It's YOURS!" "You sack of wine!" and "The gods envy US." haha, iconic.
Also: David Benioff's film and TV writing credits go crazy!
43:37 - The coins over the eyes are to pay Charon, the ferryman, who ushers the souls of the dead across the river Styx into the afterlife.
What's your FAVORITE Epic War / Ancient Mythology Movie??
I love this one, but I also love a ‘good’ ridiculous Clash of the Titans (both versions please don’t come at me for my questionable taste 😂)
@@StardustandMadness Agreed! The original and the remake plus it’s sequel are tons of fun!
Troy, Gladiator, 300 .. In that order
React to 300
@@angelojohnson8891 ooh I forgot about 300! I’ve been to Sparta - it’s awesome! Their history is so fascinating
You know I just gotta bite my tongue. The absolute unknowing of the tales created by Homer just blows by mind
They're just yelling at whats happening right in front of them...I am so disappointed at this reaction
Is a shame blame someone just because didn't know something. Clearly and many times they said especially the miss, that they didn't know any about it, I did read the full book from Homer when was kid, also hundreds books more, Im Shure I know about the history a lot more than many people, and not just Greek History or mitology, also Roman, Chinese, pre Hispanics, and the history of so many countries, is ridiculous got mad just because other person ignore this, if you know something is because you interested on that, or just to show how smart you think you are?
THIS. I'm like have they not heard of any of the famous sayings or phrases or history??? LOL I'm not a historian but I've watched enough movies, books, and tv to put things together.
You read my mind! America's education system MUST be improved! 😅
Ironically a movie where Sean Bean not only doesn’t die but is one of the very few characters that dont 😂
The scene with the king and Achilles in the tent is my favorite. Anytime I think of this movie that scene instantly comes to mind.
The, "everything is more beautiful because we're doomed" dialog, actually permanently affected my perspective when I saw this year's ago.
(18:36) To paraphrase Terminator 2:
Hector: We've got company.
Andromache: Greeks? How many?
Hector: All of 'em, I think.
Lol 😆 🤣 😂
54:40 As it happens, that is how it happens in the Illiad, which is the original Greek myth that this movie is based off of! Achilles had that one vulnerable spot in his heal, and during a fight during which the Greeks forced their way past the gates of Troy, and Paris was fighting alongside the archers on the walls, firing down at the Greeks. He saw Achilles, fired, and Apollo guided his aim so that the arrow pierced Achilles' heel, causing him to bleed out and die.
Achilles doesn't die in the Illiad, his death is just certain after he goes to Troy and kills Hector(gods straight up tell him).
Even though the movie is not 100% accurate to what happened (for instance how long the war actually went on, 10 years), it's still an epic movie. Watched it so many times!
I can't believe you've never seen this epic movie! Even though Brad Pitt has said that it's not one of his best movies, I love it! It's my second favorite movie of his after Legends of the Fall, which is my favorite Brad Pitt movie!
Love Legends of the Fall. I watch it at least a couple times a year.
@@te1013 Same here! It's superb!
Of course they need to lie for the views with this two nobody and the first guy who appear that it look like he don't take a shower at all
@@superpanda3857 Dude what’s your obsession with Greg?? Not that I want to feed the troll here but you’ve commented so much about Greg, I want to know lol.
Sorry Brad this was one of his greatest movies
Troy has a special place in my heart.
I named my daughter Briseis.
Thought the name was so beautiful I told myself (at the time) whenever I have a daughter, her name will be Briseis❤
I have to say i am very surprised that none of them knew about Troy? Troyan horse? Homer and the Iliad?
Odysseus? Do Americans not read anything about ancient greece and their mythology?
@karmahed You forget, this is the most uneducated clueless generation of the past 100 years. But they love to talk and show everyone how little they know about...everything.
The Trojan Horse...asking as an American...lol
Yea that was honestly pretty surprising.
We do. But I was in AP English, so who knows what they teach in normal classes. I remember my sister reading The Scarlett Latter, The Great Gatsby, To Kill A Mockingbird, etc.. So I think different levels of English learned different things. Can't learn everything. I just read my stuff and her stuff but I'm a reader 😂
A lot of us do...this reaction was very low effort and that makes me sad
David Benioff was one of the creators of the Show Game of Thrones and he wrote the scripts with D.B. Weiss
Do they really not teach The Iliad in school anymore? I can’t believe neither of these two knew Troy was a place
Ok Tara, so the to-do list is:
-Do the Juice shirt
-Ring the Bell shirt
-Shejects shirt
-Everything is More Beautiful Because We Are DOOMED shirt.
Just a reminder. 🤓
Tara watching Lincoln: “Ooh, the President and the First Lady are seeing a play! I hope they enjoy it!”
Peter O'Toole gets flowers for the way he played King Priam 💐
I really love this movie despite all of the inaccuracies. It’s one of my biggest inspirations for my love of history.
It's amusing how many complain about inaccuracies of an adaptation of a fantasy poem adaptation of real events. As far as I know, we have no historical evidence either way of the Trojan Horse beyond the opening parts of the Odyssey, but we have found the remains of Troy and its nine layers showing how many times the city was sacked.
In short, you are complaining about discrepancies of a realistic depiction of a fantasy story including gods and demigods. O-kay.
@@JeshuaSquirrel why type a paragraph to discredit a comment stating how I found my passion for history?
The writer, David Benioff, was one of the co-creators and showrunners of Game of Thrones. So it makes even more sense that there were a few actors in this movie that were later in Game of Thrones and House of the Dragon.
"Beware of Greeks Bearing Gifts".....I loved this movie. I saw it multiple times in the theaters!!
I wasn't too sure how this reaction would play out at first but seeing you guys watch it through the lens of like a Marvel film without knowledge of the mythology or themes was really fun. Like, it almost felt like you bridged time back to 725bc where this was the Mavel of its day and your reactions would have been the reaction of some acient greek geek.
I mean this story is so old that one of the movie's inaccuracies was the fact they placed coins on the eyes of the dead (which was a later custom)......... coins hadn't even been invented yet, this story that still works predates coins!!!!
But if you like this stuff, you really should look into mythology more. Lucus is famous for studying the heroes journey as inspiration as well as many other story tellers.
Nah, anyone who's attended school should know Troy was a City. (Present day Hissarlik, Turkey)
Thats confirmes?
@@carpediem9750 they recently found ancient remains of a city in that area with some ancient greek war objects so it is likely Homer didn't invent this war for his epic but actually based the Iliad on a real situation.
9 of them. 9 cities named Troy built on the ruins of the previous cities
Is nothing wrong with me at least that some people ignored some things, is like I laughed when I see in internet hay many Americans just can't localized his own country in a map, I could say, well I had this in geography in the elementary how is this possible? Or another for example, as a mexican always is important to me trying to learn another country lenguaje, I could say well why not to many Americans speak just one language? One of the first rules of knowledge is not feel superior just for know something that other person know. Is just absurd.
Trojans were Anatolians (my people) and the Greeks were invaders who stole our land and today they claim this said land for themselves.
43:45 - COINS ON THE EYELIDS - This practice has been observed in England and other European countries, as well as in Jewish bereavement. In England, it was believed that if the eyes were left open, the dead would search for someone to accompany them to the grave. In ancient Greece, when people died, it was believed they needed coins to pay Charon the ferryman to cross the river Styx.
I never understood why people dont know this story. I learned about Roman history and mythology in elementary school.
Right? They had a complexity to them that could be for adults but the themes and lessons were always so basic for kids to understand and adults to be reminded of.
Idk, I come across a lot of parents who think some stories are “too much” for a little kid to understand.
Not all school districts are properly funded and managed.
This isn't Roman. This is Greek (and ancient-ancient Greek at that). Big difference.
Same here, I learned this stuff when I was in elementary school and I’ve heard about so many times while growing up. It’s all most impressive they’ve never heard about this before.
Let’s pretend that every school in America goes into full detail on certain historical topics. 🙄
They half-ass lessons most of the time. Just enough to fill the curriculum. And depending on the decade, they mostly cared about teaching just enough for the standardized testing. Plus, there were (probably still are) too many students per teacher for them to manage, not enough funding etc…
The list goes on and on.
This movie came out when CGI was just starting, so doing shots like with a thousand ships was something we never saw before. We didn't have CGI like we have today, so they were limited, but thats why the movie looks so good. They had just enough cg for wide angle boat shots, but not for much else.
The big guy Hector fight is Ajax and played by Tylar Mane. He played Sabretooth in Xmen and Michael Myers in the Rob Zombie Halloween films
The most shocking thing in this movie is Sean Bean lives, which seldom happens in any movie he is in. Nice reaction, you noticed and appreciated more than most reactors. It rewarding when a reactor truly gets into a movie.
That "important guy for history" at the end is Aeneas, the founding father of the Romans. Acc. to legend, Aeneas led a group of Trojan refugees across the sea to Italy. The Trojan refugees settled in Italy, and intermarried with the local Latins, and became the future Romans, founded the city of Rome, etc. The Romans always believed themselves to be the descendants of the Trojans. When many centuries later the Romans conquered Greece, they talked about it as Trojan "payback" against the Greeks, for the fall of Troy centuries earlier.
Not knowing Troy was a place is crazy 🤣🤣🤦♂️🤷♂️
Wolfgang Peterson was supposed to direct a Batman v. Superman film back in the day but then he directed Troy taking what he had planned for the DC film incorporating elements from the scrapped film to this greek tragedy. Brad Pitt hand-picked Eric Bana for Hector after seeing his performance in the film Chopper.
A crime against art
"David Benioff, bravo David! I don't know what other scripts you've written"
He was co-writing Game of Thrones.
LOL
Odyssius (Sean Beans character) was a cool character in Greek mythology and history. By all account he was an above average warrior. . .but where he really excelled (according to the greeks) was in his cunning and intellect. He was also quite the adventurer.
This movie is epic in how it brought the classic book to life! Brad Pitt was perfect as Achilles, and Eric Bana truly encapsulated Hector. Such great performances by everyone in this film. I would love to see you guys react to "The Legend of Awesomest Maximus" now. It's a parody of Troy, Gladiator, and 300, and it's hilarious! Awesome reaction! ❤❤
I enjoy both Tara and Aaron a lot, and them together with this particular movie reaction was so absolutely enjoyable!!
1:08:45 - ACHILLES' HEEL WAS VULNERABLE BECAUSE... his mother, Thetis, held him by the heel while dipping him in the River Styx as an infant. Every part of his body the waters touched became invulnerable. However, the tips of her fingers left some of his skin untouched by the waters therefore unprotected. The term 'Achilles Heel' is a metaphor used to indicate a weakness that can easily be exploited.
Great reaction guys! You commented on the music a few times, James Horner gave us many great scores such as Titanic, bicentennial man, the amazing spiderman.
The fact nobody knows Brendan Gleeson is a shame. Names all the actors besides him
Right, are they... MAD
@@MarioBario so mad they could throw boulders but not hit anything
Years ago I fell down a rabbit hole of weird un unusual units of measurement.
It is said that Helen of Troy was so beautiful, the Spartan launched a fleet of a thousand ships to get her back.
You can derive from it the micro-Helen, the amount of beauty necessary to launch one ship
Great! Now I have to figure out how much of a Helen would launch a canoe, thanks a lot!
I'M DYING HERE LMFAO
I wouldn't be so quick to congratulate the screenplayers for the best dialogues and phrases in this movie. I'm honest with you, I never read "The Iliad" or "The Odessey" but it is possible that perhaps those dialogues that you liked so much come from those works of Homer. Because the Trojan War is narrated in those classic literary works as I understand it.
I didn't realize until you said it. David Benioff who wrote Troy. Is one of the showrunners on Game of Thrones
Odysseus'' tactic of the Trojan Horse was the originator of the proverb "beware Greeks bearing gifts."
Hector's death is heart breaking because he's an amazing character. But I get it
Brad was on his A game in this movie! Damn...20 years pass by quick.....
Since y'all are watching action movies from 2004, might I suggest King Arthur with Clive Owen???
Yes! This is another fantastic movie! Great suggestion!
I'm honestly surprised of how ignorant Americans are about The Iliad (And the Odyssey)... I'm from a poor Latin American country, only did middle school and i knew the basics of Homer's epic.
I'm American and basically everyone I know are at least somewhat knowledgable on the Iliad and Odyssey. I think it's just these two.
@@en4833 where are they from?
my guy this is not an American thing. We learn about the Trojan War and Greek/Roman mythology in grade school. And we grow up with tons of shows and cartoons about it.
How these two didn’t know? No clue.
@@thevagrantgaming They're not the only reactors like this though...
@@CYB3R2K Okay. But they are still abnormally uninformed about the subject matter for an American. I mean one of the two most popular condom brand in the country is literally called “Trojan” and their logo is the Trojan horse lol
I miss these epic films. It was great in the theater. And I LOVED this reaction! Thanks guys! Those dislikes are a bunch of haters fr.
The movie Troy is one of the very few Hollywood depictions of ancient Greek history and mythology that actually does somewhat justice to the original characters and philosophy (although the gods played a much bigger role in the original story). Obviously it's a summary of Homer's Iliad but as a Greek I don't cringe when I see it, I feel like they honoured the original text and respected the culture. And yes, the word epic comes from this guy Homer who wrote these epic (epos = long and grand) poems back in the 9th century B.C. Fun fact, Homer's Odyssey begins right after the end of this war as Odysseus begins his way back to his kingdom and his family in the island of Ithaca.
If I remember right, Paris dies in the war, Helen marries one of his brothers, and at the end of the war, she goes back to Menelaus.
Well I guess if you liked this then your next one would be Kingdom of Heaven. THAT is a truly epic period piece.
Some of the lines you guys were praising the script for are actually lifted almost verbatum from the original Illiad by Homer.
Definitely should have watched the Directors Cut.....
You would have liked it so much more.
I agree. Can one find it online or is it physical media only.
I love how the King sounds like a parent that can't control a rebelious teenager @ 44:50. Great reaction, you two. I am really liking the new format for the channel. "There are no pacts between Lions and Men."
A season one reaction to Spartacus:Blood and Sand after watching Troy would be EPIC!!It’s so good!
Screenwriter David Benioff is today probably best known as one of the co-creators of the TV series adaptation of George R.R. Martin's Game of Thrones. Most recently he also co-created Netflix' version of 3 Body Problem.
I see sooo many of those poeple putting "First time" regarding so many "mainstream" movies that I really wondering what kind of public is this and how old they are. Cz it is impossible they haven't watch so many of those movies.
"There is just no way Troy stand a chance!"
The Trojans actually holding the city for 10 years: "..." (in the original)
:D
In the book, Apollo guided Paris' arrow, bringing that plot point full circle. Love this movie, though!
i remember but young watching this movie with my dad and cousin when we went on a fishing trip. after being on the boat all day and coming back to the beach house and watching this epic movie. great memory
I hope you watched the Director's Cut. That's the true version, clocking in at 196 minutes.
@davidjrtolson6832. No, youtube streamers dont care about directors cuts, any more than they care about movies. Its just background noise to them, they only care about the sound of their own voices.
@@MrPunkd113
Who hurt you?
The whole deal of Achilles dragging Hector's body around the city 6 times in his rage after the Challenge and fight is known as "The Wrath Of Achilles"
It should be noted that in the Epic poem The Iliad, the war was 10 years long.
“David Benioff I don’t know what else you’ve written” got me good
huh, the lack of history from you two is amazing
still a good reaction
1:07:10 It was at that moment that the story of Troy ended and the story of Rome began. Aeneas has a long and difficult journey ahead of him
They made Achilles straight bc 2004 America couldnt handle the raw power of Brad Pitt and his rippling buttocks topping Garrett Hedlund
Lol
Garrett who? 😂
Damn, he was a gay/bi icon and they couldn’t handle it 😂
@@BitigoBlackGarrett Hedlund is the actor that played Achilles cousin who died
Homer never mentions them being gay.
They're cousin. Achilles' father is the brother of Patroclus brother. According to Hesiod.
Had this one on dvd as a kid, I loved Greek myths and this was a fantastic film with a great script, visuals (epic!) and fight scenes. Glad to see it still holds up
In mythology, Achilles drug Hector's body around the walls of Troy for like TWELVE DAMN DAYS.
He kidnapped 12 Troyan nobles to sacrifice at his cousin's funeral.
I’m new here, and i enjoyed how they really broke down the dialogue and scenes. Not many reactors do that. Subbed. 👍
ALSO…. It’s a firm belief that’s not his cousin, in the stories, he was Achilles’ lover so….ya.
Well that's not true, it's very clear in the original texts it's his cousin.
@@marbella135 dude this is easily one of the most debated topics in all of mythology lol
@@marbella135 and widely accepted by many and has been such since Ancient Greece lol
@@coreyrees840 I’m sorry but you are referring to a contemporary literature spin of the original story by a novelist called Madeline Miller who in 2012 re-imagined the cousin’s relationship in her novel. That has nothing to do with the original text from Homer as she has admitted herself. Patroklos’ father was Menitos who was Peleus brother. Peleus was Achilles’ father. And Patroklos’ mother was probably one of Peleus’ daughters. So definitely cousins. There is no debate. Just a bad habit of people messing around with other people’s cultures.
@@coreyrees840 I don’t know where you are getting all this wrong info from, maybe you are confusing Achilles with Alexander the Great.
Key Differences in the Film "Troy"
1. Menelaus' Death:
• Film: Killed by Hector during the duel with Paris.
• Myth: Survives the Trojan War, returns to Sparta with Helen.
2. Agamemnon's Death:
• Film: Killed by Briseis during the sack of Troy.
• Myth: Survives the Trojan War, killed by Clytemnestra and Aegisthus upon his return to Mycenae.
I mean you guys never heard of The Trojan Horse of Troy?
You really need to check out Das Boot directed by Wolfgang Peterson and winner of numerous Academy Awards. It's spectacular
According to the stories Aenaeus (the kid who got the Sword of Troy at the end) helped found Rome.
fun fact, david benioff, who was a really young author (wrote 25th hour, adopted by spike lee.. i think, staring edward norton) wrote troy as his first script. a decade later he and his buddy were one of a dozen or so groups who pitched george RR martin on adapting game of thrones, and was chosen because him and DB weiss (an english college professor at the time) were the only ones he felt actually read and understood the novel. Was such a huge fan of his even from the beginning. Such a shame... his career is now like a greek tragedy of modern TV entertainment:P
Reaction channels frustrate me when the reactors don't even know the titular character's name(s) until the 15th minute. You already have a rep for lazy content, don't make it more true.
In siege warfare the defending army can be far smaller than the attacking army and still win, that’s why the Trojans were so confident that they would win and it took trickery to ultimately defeat them
“Take it, It’s Yours”
Brad delivers in this movie! Hard not to be an Achilles fan when watching this film.
Recognizing Jeor Mormont but not Ned Stark is crazy
You never heard of Troy? Oh lord. Americans and history....
Man, I wish they'd make movies like this again😢