Prince of Persia: Speedrun World Record Progression (DOS Any%)
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- Documentary detailing the speedrun world record progression of the original Prince of Persia game on DOS (Any%)
At the start of lockdown in the UK, I decided to make my first world record progression video (The Lion King on SNES). Based on the feedback I received it inspired me to make a second video covering one of my favourite childhood games, the Prince of Persia.
I've aimed to apply the learnings from the feedback I received from the first video so I hope that this can be seen in this second video.
A massive thankyou to the amazing Prince of Persia speedrun community with special mention to the following runners: WinterThunder, VelCheran, Karlgamer, SuavePrince, higlak, YOLO4GG, Istaria, Final Elipsis, SprintGod, CapN Clever, Ma5terviking, htamas, Rob & Tammo (Jan) and Creditor
Q&A about the video:
I received a couple of questions about why the main character is referenced as ‘the kid’ during the video rather than ‘the prince’.
The reason is that Jordan Mechner who created the game deliberately left the main character nameless throughout the adventure. The opening credits describe him as a ‘brave youth’ and Jordan named the character’s filename ‘kid.dat’. Hence, the kid.
It is only once the princess is saved at the end of the game that the ending credits state “No longer a stranger, he shall from this day forth be known as… Prince of Persia”.
![PURPEECH - นี่ฉันเองคนที่... (It's me) [Official MV]](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/NuhHd0hOOg8/mqdefault.jpg)
This is such an incredibly done video doc. Thank you for making it!
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@Ledger Elon yea, been using Flixzone} for months myself :)
Holy shit surprised to see you here!
What a fantastic documentary this was!
Just found your channel bc I've binged so much speed running content. Love your work!
Hey! Thanks. I did exactly what you did and binged so many speedrun docs I was running out. That's why I started making these videos! 😁 Glad you enjoyed
This channel is very underrated! Should have tens of thousands subscribers only because of the this video! Awesome piece of art! Epic!
I must have been 8 or so, when I finally managed to progress to the revived skeleton. That was the worst jumpscare experience I ever had even until now, and it made me have nightmares for a week, and I was traumatically afraid to touch the game until I was at least 15 or 16, even though I had played way heavier horror games, watched "It" etc. in between. I will never forget the shattering scare that gave me. It's been my favourite game ever since.
Production value on this vid is tops. Please keep making these - they're awesome!
How does this only have 3 000 views? This video is amazing.
Glad you liked it and thanks for watching! 👍
Yo, can we stop to talk about how FUCKIN POWERFUL THE SYMBOLISM IS IN THIS GAME.
The whole Doppleganger npc is a blatant methaphor for the roadblocks we put ourselves on our path.
Having you only progress foward until you stop fighting yourself, its a beautiful implementation of narrative trough mechanics.
Also, its referencing something everyone goes trough, something basic to human experience that can resonate with every single life story.
Thats creative. thats fucking genious.
This is a fantastic video, nicely done and thank you very much!
I honestly have to admit I only clicked on this because I'm old enough to have played this on release and I was curious what kind of Summoning Salt knockoff video this would be.
But kudos man, this was highly entertaining and informative.... got yourself a sub and my apologies for my preconceived assumptions.
Very nice video! Definitely deserves attention, hope to see more in the future. Good job my guy
Awesome Video, your Passion comes through in almost every Sentence.
Very cool video! Karl's face on his latest world record is priceless :D
Hi. It was a very fun video to watch. The audio is so much better in this one. Congratz, and keep the good work
These docs are getting better and better, good work man, I'm looking forward to more from you.
Liked, subscribed. This deserves millions of views.
👏 amazing. I've seen many similar summoning salt sequence videos, and I'm loving every one of them. Each one is not just a clone, and has personality to it too.
Amazing video. Great work!
This is a great piece on _Prince of Persia,_ and much better than your previous video. Better sound balancing, more explanation on tricks and the history of the game, and less uses of, "On [insert date here], said runner did this." Keep it up; I look forward to your future projects.
Thanks Aztyph. Appreciate the comments. The sound and explanation of the tricks was something I really wanted to work hard on based on the previous feedback. I purchased a new mic setup and put in alot more research in understanding the tricks so glad it was noticed 👍
very entertaining, and very well done, thanks for the great video mate
Captain clever is such a clever name. I really like it.
Great video. Really good narration and well sumarized. Excelent job!
Super well done I just got into summingsalt and Karl jobst and this was just as good! keep it up man was a pleasure!
This video is AMAZING. It must have been really hard to make, so the storyline and narrative keeps fluid and expressive. 🙂
Great job. This video deserves much more attention than it has. I hope many more people discover this, so they will also be inspired to play and run this game. 👍
Subbed after 1 minute. Love the tone and obv the content.
I grew up with this game.
This deserves more views. I hope it blows up at some point.
Thanks for watching! Really appreciated!
The definition of a grossly undersubbed channel. Glad I'm here from early days. Otter gang lol
Thanks for all the comments! And yes, first official member of the Otter gang haha! 😁
holy crap this is great, this deserves more views!! thanks man. subbed.
5 minutes in but I have to say I fucking love this video so far. I'm expecting this channel to see a lot of subscribers coming in.
Awesome high-quality video - I hope to see more.
Great work. I like the background on the game's general history that other progression videos don't really give.
Nice editing, great doc. well done sir👍🏻
just found your channel. great vid, keep it up!
I’m follower 1.000! I think. Thanks for giving us this special piece of nostalgia.
The writing/narration on this - admittedly rather interesting - video is _incredibly_ overwrought. Waaaay over the top.
Great vid all the same.
I don't think I've ever been described as overwrought before although admittedly making videos is a new one on me! (this is only my second video and I work in corporate business strategy for my sins so beginning to make mini docs has been a steep learning curve!). Thoughts on improvements which can be made?
I was the 730th subscriber. If you keep making videos this good, you're going to 100k and beyond. Thank you for the video! :)
What an excellent documentary! I'm so glad you made this. I absolutely loved this game as a kid even though I never finished it. Even in 2021, I find the graphics absolutely beautiful and immersive. Please make more videos like this!
Great video again, definite improvements made over the 1st one, subbed for more :D
What a fabulous documentary about a game I had never laid eyes on until 40 minutes ago.
Thx for this great overview of the history of this game. It was really satisfying to watch.
Thanks for watching! Glad you enjoyed it 👍
This is a really really good start. You have a lot of improvement to make, but the foundation is solid. I’m subscribed now, I look forward to seeing what you continue to pull off.
Fantastic video, you've got my sub.
i always instant like and sub when i see a world record progression vid. im addicted
Same here 😂
really like this video, enjoyed the tongue-in-cheek intro
Thanks for watching and commenting! Really appreciate it!
Wow this game was so hard when I was a kid, it's amazing to see someone speedrun it. Amazing video and editing, great!
Great job dude earned my sub! Cant wait to see what else is in store.
Thanks mate! Third video in the works so expect more! 👍
Thanks for video! It was very interesting👌
Just watch the intro, added the video to my watch later list.
Good job mate!
There isn't nearly enough attention on this video, anyway great job enjoyed your Lion King video as well but as someone already mentioned this was a massive leap in improvment in both script and video quality, once again great job and I'm looking forward to the next video.
Really well done! Definitely earned a subscription. Obviously some tonal issues with music which others have pointed out but with such a small channel and such a long video these are more than forgivable.
Would love to see more like this and just more content going forward, great job!
We almost lost the legend Karlgamer to a moth.
Love that this genre of video is continuing to expand and there's more creators in it!
Great video, thanks for making it.
Who runs bartertown?
Really great video, subbed!
The only tidbit I’d like to mention is the music volume on the first half (seemed to level out later) of the video under your narration- it was slightly too prevalent.
Keep up the good work!
Wow, this was an amazing video! I remember Capn Clever as a really good Jazz Jackrabbit speedrunner but I didnt know he also played Prince of Persia, nice :)
Ah I used to love Jazz Jackrabbit! Might be a fun game to explore the history of! Capn Clever also used to run Commander Keen games alot which was another series of games I enjoyed. And thanks for the comments. Really appreciate it! 👍
As a fan of the game, especially the very first one, this video is more than touching
Great video, makes me want to start one of my vintage machines and see what time I can get :)
Sweet video!
This is a truly remarkable speed running video, you need to come back.
Nicely done! I'm glad to see some PC-based speedrun history videos done with a high level of quality. Looking forward to more! That said, I do agree with one of the other comments that the random stock nature footage is a little cheesy and out-of-place. If you need padding, why not include more footage of the runners themselves and\or their forum comments?
My one complaint about SummoningSalt's videos is they often turn into a long list of usernames duking it out without much insight into the people behind them. It'd be nice to see more of the runners' personalities.
This game:
“Perfection is achieved, not when there is nothing more to add, but when there is nothing left to take away.”
― Antoine de Saint-Exupéry
Very good video, more of this please!
As a kid, I played Prince of persia, never finishing it, having even owned the game. And these people Speedrunning it!
By the way, you got my sub. 😊
I think you should try to finish it again. There are lots of good options to play it nowadays and remember... you can save.
Lovely job
Nice job mate
These guys are amazing! I used to love this game. I actually got to play it a bit before the offical release in 1989/90 via my dad. I played it quite a bit and am very proud of my own 33min best time. I could never get into the later verison in the same way. This vid totally makes me want to play it again. Thanks for the speedrun documentary.
amazing video man!!! it is incredible to see 31 yo games still alive
Ah, what memories. I remember managing to beat the mouse, and, by pure chance, finding the warp in level 12. Also hex-edited the program files to create my own ultra-hard level 1. Spent all my ideas there, so I never did a level 2.
Did your parents have any children that lived?
That input trick before the level loads.......wow.
This video is simply amazing!
Also, this is much better than those "mukbang among us 3am videos".
Great video dude!
#godblessthatmouse 👌
That Karlgamer guys looks very attractive. :D
I agree.
The moth thought so...
I didn't know you held these records until your sister in law pointed me to your record attempts the other night! That's awesome.
You're a natural and gotta get out there making more videos dude
I recall finding one of those jump-fall-teleport-up skips by accident once upon a time, perhaps while experimenting with the 2-tile back and forth running jump trick, but for the life of me I couldn't remember where now when I retried the game. Thanks to your video I may have finally found it again. I think it was the level 12 one you show at 17:50. Though really I feel it dropped me on the very top row of the level, perhaps one screen to the right of the one you show...
In my memory it was muddled with another glitch I had found at some earlier brighter-green level, perhaps under where the reviving skeleton was. It might have been just the same skeleton skip that you show, or a different one with the skeleton on the lower floor, but I'm not convinced since my vague feeling is it included a running jump that ended off-screen again.
It's so odd not being sure of my own memory even after watching this.
Now I wonder if all these glitches are possible on all DOS POP versions, or even other platforms...
Ohh man! Really excited to see you uploaded another video. Quite an improvement over the first.
Compared to the first video,
- Definitely improved the music-voice volume balance. Pretty good this video.
- I felt there was a good balance of the game clips. Not as much time spent on insignificant run montages.
- No overly flashy transitions. In fact, I didnt even think about the transitions this time. I think you did well with them.
- You spent a good deal of time discussing methods/ techniques and glitches. I loved it. Exactly what I was hoping for. And you showed them too. Good job.
- I know I mentioned voice inflection in my comment from the first video. I think you did better with that regard. I think you're finding your own voice/ style.
As far as this video,
- I really liked the joke delivery. You made a couple jokes with a bit of a dry/ deadpan delivery. (My word choice might be off there, but I hope the sentiment comes across).
- I thought you did a good job on the intro. I liked it. Maybe a bit dragged out. Not a big deal to me.
- Was happy to hear the general plot and major game challenges.
- I really liked how you analyzed some of the speedruns. I especially liked that you took one of the more optimized speedruns (CaptClever's) and dissected it. And then you referenced future runs to what they did different. I really appreciated that.
- Specifically, I liked hearing about the integer overflow bug. I like how you explained that.
- I enjoyed seeing some of the runners' reactions.
- I liked the follow up segment at the end. I know I said on the first video that I felt it was a bit dragged out. Not the case this time. I think it was pretty good.
The only complaint I could manage, is that I felt some of music choices were a little ill fitting for some moments. Sometimes the vibe/ tone of the music just didn't seem to fit what you were discussing in the moment. Sometimes I felt the music was giving off a motivational/ inspirational mood, but I didn't feel it matched the topic. Sometimes it did though. I dont know if that could be remedied by using more of the in-game music? I'm sure there's a whole copyright aspect that I don't have to deal with either.
If you'd allow me to be nit-picky, I didn't care for a lot of the rhetorical questions. I didnt think they fit the mood of the video. But that is squarely my opinion. I think that's more of you're voice. If you liked it, keep it. Its simply not what I personally would do. (I'm sure that means a lot since I'm not making the videos lol.)
Like I said, I really did enjoy this video. Happy to see the improvement. I hope you keep making them. It looks like you're starting to come into your own style/ voice. I'm excited for another video. Keep up the good work.
There really isn't a lot of music in the game. When I stream it I use music from the 2008 pop game.
@@TimothyMakin
Oh well, that does throw a wrench, doesn't it? I think that's a smart idea- to use the music from more recent iterations.
Wow thanks for the level of analysis you did between the videos. Certainly putting the first one out there provided me with alot of feedback and I'm glad that some of those learnings can be seen through the latest video. Really appreciate you watching and spending the time to comment!
I liked the first vid... What are you the Rob Ager of speed docs? lol
Since than new great players emerged and adventure continues...
fantastic - SUBSCRIBED
Omg the gane could be saved???? All my childhood playing this without kwowing it.... Countless hours until i finally finish the game with only 15 seconds on the clock!!!
i wish the music was different though
That would ruin the vibe
@@sadrobot5501 yeah but it just sounds like a youtube business ad
You're going for grand, but it falls flat. There's a big discrepancy between the music and everything else. You could have maybe used the "epic" music a little towards the climax, but 40 minutes of it? Doesn't work. And the random nature shots are just hilarious.
Was fun to learn about the game though, cheers.
Awww man! Sorry you didn't enjoy. What sort of music do you feel would improve it? The original game literally has no music and I did purposefully try to stay away from too much other game music (mostly to avoid any comparisons with trying to simply copying summoning salt who holds the world record progression video category). Maybe need to find a balance. Anyway all the best!
@@theotterspocket8732 I think Jimmy's got a point, but I appreciate what you did here. While I do find the tone doesn't suit the video too well, it doesn't detract very much from watching it, and in all honesty, I don't know what I'd suggest to improve it. I do have to say that perhaps the part of the video with the best fitting tone was the big explaining that overflow bug, though.
Had it been my video, perhaps I'd have made introducing our runners and superfans the more grand and dramatic bits, and then taken the more technical explain-y tone with the rest. After all, the feats of these people are genuinely impressive things, they've certainly earned their royalty-free epic music.
Don't take my advice as law, though. I'm a dumbass, I've never edited a video, and I'd hate to mislead you. Had I infinite resources, time, and motivation to do something similar to this, this is simply an example of what I might try.
tl;dr Jimmy's right, video rules anyway, experiment with tone a bit if you wanna do more of these, but this was hella good.
@@theotterspocket8732 I see you only really reply to criticisms. It's good to hear out criticisms, but I hope you are also taking keen eye of all the praise. This was an incredible video and everyone can see the effort that went into it.
Nice video!
good video!
haha, I watched the beginning of the video. "First speedrun was 42 minutes". I was like "wow, that's the time I had when beating the game. "That means the player had 42 minutes left on the timer", me: "oh...".
really enjoyed that thanks. I'm a little surprised that the speedrunning community doesn't use the in-game timer as the official measure.
It does
@@TimothyMakin ay 34:33 the in-game count-down timer reads 45:55 (i.e a 14:05 run) but this is adjusted to 14:04 according to the real-time/external timer
Karlgamer's 14:04 was the first official world record to use a mandatory autosplitter tool (LiveSplit) which is also used by other speedrunning communities. The reason for this was the community wanted to introduce greater accuracy when recording official times. Reasoning included the DOSbox emulator running at different cycles on different PCs which could result in a runner technically having an advantage over another runner if there PC could handle the game slightly better!
I contemplated covering this and even wrote some sections for it but ended up cutting it from the final edit as I was worried it may add additional confusion at such a late stage in the video! (although maybe not! :))
I've provided some additional background below to help explain the reasons between the times:
The discrepancy comes from the fact that the timer in-game counts backwards, so when that timer's value is 45:55.42 the actual time it took to complete the run is 60 minutes minus that, 14:04.58
The time shown in-game is then rounded down. But the actual run was finished in 14:04(.58)
The reason why a second wasn't subtracted to account for this and the game still shows 45:55, is that there is a 1/12 chance that doing so will cause an error. E.g. if the timer is 45:55.00, then the IGT is 14:05.00, hence a second doesn't need to be subtracted. The chance is 1/12 because the game runs at 12fps. So that's the chance the timer will end in .00
@@theotterspocket8732 thank you for taking the time to answer my question - and thank you once again for making such amazing content. I've just watched your Lion King video as well.
Thanks for watching and spending the time to comment! Really appreciate it 👍
love that game
"Does this mean this is the end of the story?" *looks at time remaining in video* probably not
Liked subbed and commented for the algorithm spirits
Thank you kind Sir!
Great video! Love this game since I got my first computer some 25 years ago... And now my 4 year son plays it:-)
Great musical choices, I might add,
The build up to the runner who beat Capn made me worried it would be Matt Turk 😂
wow nice video
I played this game so much when I was little, and I'm not even that old, we were just broke af. I had a laptop with a dim black and white display running windows 98, it was good enough for a kid's needs. I played Prince Of Persia to death. You can imagine my face when we finally had a PS2 and my dad brought us a copy of Sand Of Time
World record while being on a plane 😲
I'm team Higlak
Very cool! nice
I'm not sure why you only made two videos(great ones I might add) before quitting. You could really blow up if you kept at it
Screw anyone who isnt impressed with this video, keep it up bud!
Thanks for the nice video! If I may offer just a bit of feedback: please keep the music lower, at times it makes hard to understand what you're saying. Thanks!
Looks like he's done sub 14 minutes now. This needs an update already. Great video though.
Yes it spurred Karl on to better his time! 😉 And now we have Good Spectre who has ONLY started running post this video. Sure there's going to have to be a sequel!
There were some massive WR improvements since that video. :-P