"Rent instead of buying them..." That's the professional advice, that would save many newbies so much trouble. I loved the projects you filmed and your review ... :-)
Just finished watching the Dramamine doc... So well done! It weirdly kinda got me emotional at the end. Great job creating a story around something so odd but kept me hooked the whole time! Your the first person iv seen that uses the Mavo consistently. I feel like its a better and cheaper komodo X.
Great video. Really appreciated this insight and effort put into this piece. We have the RED K-X and the Laowa S35 Ranges look like a great option for us.
I had no idea these lenses were coming out. Just started looking for a parfocal, lightweight zoom lens in this focal range. Perfect timing and I'll pick up the 17-50 first to test on production when it's out.
Great review, and thank you for taking us into real usage of these lenses. They really are impressive, in temrs of performance and value-for-money. What is impressive too, the way you pronounce "Angénieux"... so funny. You are good at focusing and filming, no doubt. But when it comes to French words/names, it's a different story ! lol PS : one tip.. in French, about 99.9% final letters are mute and never get heard.
I find it a little odd you didn't compare this to the DZO pictors at all because that's easily the most direct competitor to the rangers. Not an actually real life comparison, but just from the hypothetical of if you're shopping for budget cine zooms right now the DZO has by fast the most popular set. If the 17-50mm is in the same price point as the DZO 20-55 it's a much better choice. I'm never wide enough at 20mm on S35; but I rarely need to be at 55mm. That trade off is so worth.
From what Laowa have said so far, these will be $1,999 USD each. And without direct comparison of footage, right off the bat these will be much lighter and compact than the Pictors. The weight savings will be significant for a particular group of shooters.
I would love to grab a set of cine lenses but they aren’t really conducive to what I shoot at the moment. I still operate in the photo world, but looking to transition. I would love to get to the point where I am shopping around for a set. All of that to say, it’s always great watching what other creators are using, how they are using, and tips and pointers based on experience. I don’t have any specific questions, just interested in what you’re creating. Looking out for the next one, stay awesome!
Just saying, for less than $200 you can pick up a vintage parfocal, constant aperture (f/3.5)internal zoom (35-70mm)and adapter with that 70’s character, add gears and you can rock & roll.
Prices have gone waaay up. None of these lenses are hidden anymore. Lucky if you can find them at that price but in certain markets very very unlikely.
It’s true, he didn’t get to keep the lenses. I got them now 😂 Great video dude. Hope the move/settling in is going well. We going through the same lol.
My take as a videographer is simply that a hobbyist would not benefit from any cinema lens, much less a cinema zoom. Same way a hobbyist wouldn’t benefit from a box style cinema camera or a more professional video body, you have got to consider price to performance and overall value, in which case, the markup on video gear is insane, and if you’re not in that percentage of people that would benefit greatly from the design choices available in them, then don’t buy them. Get some old slr glass if you need a more consistent manual focus experience or find bodies/lenses that allow for linear focus.
I was thinking about getting these but it doesn't look like their EF mount will fit on my C70's EF adapter. I could swap to a PL adapter but there are times I need the EF glass for autofocusing.
I believe that we need to invest gears to a certain extend that we can achieve our vision or style through those gears and learn enough expeirence to move on to similar but more professional gears. As a film student and indie filmmaker, I discover that the cost to rent gears and study them (you need time to understand and get familiar) will be equally the amount of spenting them on some properly good gears (bmpcc4k, xh2s with cage, focus pro, ninja v, vmount, rig gears, and some cheap lighting), but we do need more experience and practice to either demostrate our vision & be able to use more expensive and profesional gears on set properly. To be honest, unless you are at USC NYU or Emerson, most schools don't even have same level gears as something i described as proper gears. Thus, I believe that for people who truly need to do something, they can invest proper gears to the extend that they can gain experience and finish portfolios, they can then move on to rent big gears without wasting too much time and money on learning how thouse workflows are. Plus these controlled, proper investments will allow you to freely use them to make more personal projects without cost aswell
Based on my logic, investing a s35 budget cine zoom is a great investments, require less hassel, can do more trick, less lenses to carry, price is controlled, more suited for small prodcutions & run and gun, can learn how to work with proper cine zooms
I picked up a Fujinon MK 18-55 t2.9 for my Komodo a month or so back. FANTASTIC lens for the money. I got a great deal on mine... Had that not of been the case, these would have been the ones to grab... Especially given the size and option of EF or PL. Price point is outstanding! Did you run them much on your Fuji? Or just the Mavo?
I was going to comment about the MK lenses as well, would have been cool to see a comparison. The MKs are more expensive new, but having been out for a while you can get really good price for a used set. With so much of the new cameras being full frame it looks like you can get really good prices on S35 lenses.
Good to hear about the weight. From the specs, I see they are the same weight as my Sigma 18-35 and 24-105 still lens. That’s a win! I can see myself swapping my stills lens for these zooms, especially since they have an EF option.
Sure! I took a page out of my playbook from before. The small test is a little irrelevant but shows activity on the image. The CTR right now is 10% which is great
Great Video, I am a big fan of your channel...I am kind of part time pro but more in multicam Classical Concert prod, Festival small doc social media artist coverage. My only true pro gear is audio,with schoeps Neuman DPA...rest are Pana gear FF MFT and some Blackmagic P4K P6K...love your concept about gear rent of the End...I am in it since 3 years coming from pure audio classical prod For ex. because every concert hall have lights I did not ever have my own 60W cob led light because I have had no use for them...since my work moved more to documentary stile artistic videos I needed to buy some entry level pro Lights...about gear aqusition I own all my cams because they are second hand used old but functional models with specific task and specific lens choice I use for each of them in my multicam setup... And renting here (CH) is very expensive in comparaison to buying used gear and I make it an investment to my compagny so can reduce my taxation...as pro work tools even the second hand stuff. btw I bought a set of Mitakons cine MFT 2 years ago +-...at the begining I had some use of them but lately I use it really no as much as I was thinking...so about cheap cine lens lime you said better for enthousiast or semi pro like me to rent them to try if they will fit the workflow. Personally I love the S35 look, and in my line of work F4 in S35 is a minimum...I often has F10 on my FF panasonic, and personaly I like zoom compression effect but I am not really a fan of super fast lenses and "bouquet". My only parfocal lens is 18-35 1.8 sigma with speedbooster.. Maybe I could revive my cine lens, and some Vintage mod lens I have found ultra cheap with the new DJI Lidar focus system... About Ranger zoom...sure I am interested and maybe could have a need for them but no budget rigjt now and priority is consolidating finances,taxes etc... To say the truth I would actually rather buy another Schoeps mic because the resale value of these mics is really very good and they are almost industrictible and sound fantqstic...If any advice you want in pro audio gear Buy schoeps like CCM or other cinema solutions they are truely top and Made in Karslruhe (Durlach) in Germany. You will not regret it! Yours Fil
Lol not the same at all because it's still lens. Good luck pulling off critical shots with that, also the sigma is not parfocal. But if it checks your box good for you!
@@CineDailies I meant that for those who cannot afford such lenses. This lens is definitely going to cost a few thousand dollars. You can get the sigma for 200 dollars. Big difference
@@shueibdahir I hear you but we're talking about two different experiences here ha that's what I'm saying. It would dishonest to say they are the same. Also, that why I mentioned renting. If you can't afford it, rent it. We don't have to own evening.
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"Rent instead of buying them..." That's the professional advice, that would save many newbies so much trouble. I loved the projects you filmed and your review ... :-)
Yeah man, I've been preaching this for years. Just rent. Thanks for watching!!
i dont know how this works in US but in Europe its impossible to rent 99% of Chinese gear. i wish but there isnt rental market for this kind of stuff
@@lkptlst3256 does it have to be Chinese gear? What's the rental market look like in the UK?
I agree! fire vid. Im considering buying one because for some reason the rent selection in San Francisco is so bad.
@@demojoys use lensrental!
Definitely loving the way these reviews are done. They feel organic and honest, plus you had time to take them into the real word.
thanks man! those are the type of reviews I learn from the most so that is what I want to create
The shots into setting sun are incredible! The controlled flare looks really expensive.
Right! I was very impressed
really appreciate the video. great information, you clearly know your stuff, brought up a lot of things I had forgotten to consider. thank you!
Glad it was helpful!
Just finished watching the Dramamine doc... So well done! It weirdly kinda got me emotional at the end. Great job creating a story around something so odd but kept me hooked the whole time! Your the first person iv seen that uses the Mavo consistently. I feel like its a better and cheaper komodo X.
Thanks for watching bro! The tool is only great in the hands of the beholder!
Great video. Really appreciated this insight and effort put into this piece. We have the RED K-X and the Laowa S35 Ranges look like a great option for us.
Glad it was helpful!
I had no idea these lenses were coming out. Just started looking for a parfocal, lightweight zoom lens in this focal range. Perfect timing and I'll pick up the 17-50 first to test on production when it's out.
Great review, and thank you for taking us into real usage of these lenses. They really are impressive, in temrs of performance and value-for-money.
What is impressive too, the way you pronounce "Angénieux"... so funny. You are good at focusing and filming, no doubt. But when it comes to French words/names, it's a different story ! lol
PS : one tip.. in French, about 99.9% final letters are mute and never get heard.
Great video dude! I’ve really enjoyed using the 11-18 Ranger 😊 Definitely want to check out the others
Thanks for watching bro! Yeah I wish I spent more time with the 11-18! I love wide lenses
Great stuff man!
Appreciate it!
Great Video / Review - Love my FF Rangers
Right on!
I find it a little odd you didn't compare this to the DZO pictors at all because that's easily the most direct competitor to the rangers. Not an actually real life comparison, but just from the hypothetical of if you're shopping for budget cine zooms right now the DZO has by fast the most popular set. If the 17-50mm is in the same price point as the DZO 20-55 it's a much better choice. I'm never wide enough at 20mm on S35; but I rarely need to be at 55mm. That trade off is so worth.
I honestly forgot about them ha. I would rather do a real life comparison with them. So I'll do a follow up.
From what Laowa have said so far, these will be $1,999 USD each. And without direct comparison of footage, right off the bat these will be much lighter and compact than the Pictors. The weight savings will be significant for a particular group of shooters.
Have you ever heard the term Nausivat? I just watched your piece and totally enjoyed it. Great job Sunny16.
So good haha thank you for watching!
The footage looks great man! Making me take a look at the Mavo now lol
Haha thanks for watching! And you know it's really about who's behind the camera ha
gotta love a good cheap cine zoom, but your talent is really making them shine dude!
Awe thank you 🙏🏽🙏🏽🙏🏽
I WANT TO SEE THIS NEW SPACE IN PERSON
PLEASE COME VISIT!!!
I would love to grab a set of cine lenses but they aren’t really conducive to what I shoot at the moment. I still operate in the photo world, but looking to transition. I would love to get to the point where I am shopping around for a set. All of that to say, it’s always great watching what other creators are using, how they are using, and tips and pointers based on experience. I don’t have any specific questions, just interested in what you’re creating. Looking out for the next one, stay awesome!
Thank you for stopping by! I have plenty of more content coming, I hope you're here for the ride
How do you think these compare to the Fujinon mko zooms?
What lens did you use on the shot of you presenting the video pls?
Again a great video to watch. How they performs to the Fujinon MKX ? I know the mkx just for fuji but :)
Thanks fam! I will have to do a follow-up video!
The FUJINON MK-X are also available with E-mount for Sony (this version actually came out first)
There is an another parfocal lens which is a bit cheaper: 7Artisans 24-96mm T2.9
I would love to see a comparison between these lenses.
oh thats cool! I should check that out
My friend, are you still using your XH2S for this talking video? are you using log or FujiFilm film simulations?
I'm using the xs20 and the natural lut from lut co
Just saying, for less than $200 you can pick up a vintage parfocal, constant aperture (f/3.5)internal zoom (35-70mm)and adapter with that 70’s character, add gears and you can rock & roll.
Is this a nikon zoom you're thinking of? Ais?
Prices have gone waaay up. None of these lenses are hidden anymore. Lucky if you can find them at that price but in certain markets very very unlikely.
sure - I've made a video on the 35-105 canon fd. fun lenses but not for professional use.
@@shotonwhatever the ai has more character, but yes the ai-s works.
It’s true, he didn’t get to keep the lenses. I got them now 😂 Great video dude. Hope the move/settling in is going well. We going through the same lol.
hahah cant wait to see your review bro!
My take as a videographer is simply that a hobbyist would not benefit from any cinema lens, much less a cinema zoom. Same way a hobbyist wouldn’t benefit from a box style cinema camera or a more professional video body, you have got to consider price to performance and overall value, in which case, the markup on video gear is insane, and if you’re not in that percentage of people that would benefit greatly from the design choices available in them, then don’t buy them. Get some old slr glass if you need a more consistent manual focus experience or find bodies/lenses that allow for linear focus.
I was thinking about getting these but it doesn't look like their EF mount will fit on my C70's EF adapter. I could swap to a PL adapter but there are times I need the EF glass for autofocusing.
The talking head portions look gorgeous! What lens were you using for it?
thanks! its the fuji xs20 with the viltrox 13mm f1.4 - love this combo
might be a pinch to add your follow focus on the rig
Pulling offf the barrel is fine too
Ooooh new schizzle
Yesssirrrr
You are my Mr. Myagi.
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I believe that we need to invest gears to a certain extend that we can achieve our vision or style through those gears and learn enough expeirence to move on to similar but more professional gears. As a film student and indie filmmaker, I discover that the cost to rent gears and study them (you need time to understand and get familiar) will be equally the amount of spenting them on some properly good gears (bmpcc4k, xh2s with cage, focus pro, ninja v, vmount, rig gears, and some cheap lighting), but we do need more experience and practice to either demostrate our vision & be able to use more expensive and profesional gears on set properly. To be honest, unless you are at USC NYU or Emerson, most schools don't even have same level gears as something i described as proper gears. Thus, I believe that for people who truly need to do something, they can invest proper gears to the extend that they can gain experience and finish portfolios, they can then move on to rent big gears without wasting too much time and money on learning how thouse workflows are. Plus these controlled, proper investments will allow you to freely use them to make more personal projects without cost aswell
Based on my logic, investing a s35 budget cine zoom is a great investments, require less hassel, can do more trick, less lenses to carry, price is controlled, more suited for small prodcutions & run and gun, can learn how to work with proper cine zooms
@@frankhu8692I agree.👍🏾
I picked up a Fujinon MK 18-55 t2.9 for my Komodo a month or so back. FANTASTIC lens for the money. I got a great deal on mine... Had that not of been the case, these would have been the ones to grab... Especially given the size and option of EF or PL. Price point is outstanding! Did you run them much on your Fuji? Or just the Mavo?
I was going to comment about the MK lenses as well, would have been cool to see a comparison. The MKs are more expensive new, but having been out for a while you can get really good price for a used set. With so much of the new cameras being full frame it looks like you can get really good prices on S35 lenses.
Can someone put these side by side with the Tokina set? Not parfocal but I think the Tokina have more character due to them being an older lens
Hi dailies, do you recommend kinefinity mavo 6k s35 for a newbie. Thanks.
Nope - to much camera to start out with. What are you wanting to do?
Have the fixed the mount issue yet?
Lens mount issue?
I saw somewhere someone said their EF and PL mounts we a little loose.. might’ve been the user though 🤷🏻♂️
What do you think? Are these the lenses you were hoping for?
Good to hear about the weight.
From the specs, I see they are the same weight as my Sigma 18-35 and 24-105 still lens. That’s a win!
I can see myself swapping my stills lens for these zooms, especially since they have an EF option.
It's exactly what you need
These are hitting the right spot for sure. Between weight, size, build quality and price point....happy to keep seeing options for s35.
what lens set would you recommend for someone who's looking to buy their first set
I would say get a mid range zoom. But What are your needs? What are your Trying to film?
Mainly run and gun documentary’s and wedding
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Nice cam bro also The thumbnail is which we picked but text in it is little bit small try to improve it video is good
Sure! I took a page out of my playbook from before. The small test is a little irrelevant but shows activity on the image. The CTR right now is 10% which is great
Great Video,
I am a big fan of your channel...I am kind of part time pro but more in multicam Classical Concert prod, Festival small doc social media artist coverage.
My only true pro gear is audio,with schoeps Neuman DPA...rest are Pana gear FF MFT and some Blackmagic P4K P6K...love your concept about gear rent of the End...I am in it since 3 years coming from pure audio classical prod
For ex. because every concert hall have lights I did not ever have my own 60W cob led light because I have had no use for them...since my work moved more to documentary stile artistic videos I needed to buy some entry level pro Lights...about gear aqusition I own all my cams because they are second hand used old but functional models with specific task and specific lens choice I use for each of them in my multicam setup...
And renting here (CH) is very expensive in comparaison to buying used gear and I make it an investment to my compagny so can reduce my taxation...as pro work tools even the second hand stuff.
btw I bought a set of Mitakons cine MFT 2 years ago +-...at the begining I had some use of them but lately I use it really no as much as I was thinking...so about cheap cine lens lime you said better for enthousiast or semi pro like me to rent them to try if they will fit the workflow.
Personally I love the S35 look, and in my line of work F4 in S35 is a minimum...I often has F10 on my FF panasonic, and personaly I like zoom compression effect but I am not really a fan of super fast lenses and "bouquet".
My only parfocal lens is 18-35 1.8 sigma with speedbooster..
Maybe I could revive my cine lens, and some Vintage mod lens I have found ultra cheap with the new DJI Lidar focus system...
About Ranger zoom...sure I am interested and maybe could have a need for them but no budget rigjt now and priority is consolidating finances,taxes etc...
To say the truth I would actually rather buy another Schoeps mic because the resale value of these mics is really very good and they are almost industrictible and sound fantqstic...If any advice you want in pro audio gear Buy schoeps like CCM or other cinema solutions they are truely top and Made in Karslruhe (Durlach) in Germany.
You will not regret it!
Yours
Fil
Thanks for sharing your experience!
This or the pictor?
This for sure
@@CineDailies I read the laowa is softer at 2.8 :(
The Sigma 17-50mm 2.8 offers almost the exact same performance but is a still lens and costs WAY less
Lol not the same at all because it's still lens. Good luck pulling off critical shots with that, also the sigma is not parfocal. But if it checks your box good for you!
@@CineDailies I meant that for those who cannot afford such lenses. This lens is definitely going to cost a few thousand dollars. You can get the sigma for 200 dollars. Big difference
@@shueibdahir I hear you but we're talking about two different experiences here ha that's what I'm saying. It would dishonest to say they are the same.
Also, that why I mentioned renting. If you can't afford it, rent it. We don't have to own evening.
@@CineDailies yeah you're right
Phillies hat = instant sub
Hell ya
Thank you for the financial reminder.... *closes b&h browser tab* 😅
You're so welcome!
B&H is the candy store for gear heads.
Parfocal at that weight and size? Boutta commit a travesty against my bank account.
130mm is not enough reach to be honest, especialyl when youre uesd to canon 24-70 and 70-200
I get that
i dont like it.
Hahaha hey friend