Triangle Genese Trio Speaker Review
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- My review of the Triangle Genese Trio speakers. Horn speakers are receiving a lot of love at the moment. I reviewed the floor standing Triangle Genese Quartets recently and loved some aspects of their performance but also recognised that they had certain shortcomings. Will the standmount sibling fair better.
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I fell in love with triangle speakers. The voicing is perfect for me. The borea, the genèse trio and the magellan allow me to forget about audiophile stuff.
And the titus line are perfect with integrated tube amps.
Very nice review as usual 🙂
Thank you Yannick 😊👍
Hi, is it better this or Triangle Comete EZ 40 please? Thanks in advance for your help.
I am just about to film my review of the 40th Ann Cométe 😊
Good day, do you know if the NAD D7050 can drive this speakers? Thanks
I haven’t tried them 😊
Glad to see people reaching out to offer you gear to review. It's always a pleasure watching your reviews! Not sure if I have asked this but have you considered doing interviews (with zoom) with designers from different companies? I figured since your in the UK you might be able to have access to some companies we don't here in the states. I think you would do well and offer some content to help your channel grow. And perhaps when all this madness calms down perhaps so tours of UK companies or visits. Thank you for the reviews! Been fun watching your channel grow!
Thank you Brandon. That is a great suggestion. I would love to do interviews about certain technical aspects of design with industry insiders. Maybe when I have established myself a bit more. I don’t think any of them would know who I am at the moment other then the handful of brands that I have reviewed. Thank you for sticking with me. I appreciate your support 😉👍
I tried the Comete EZs by Triangle and the sound from those horns blew me away. In my experience, the best high frequency presentation I’ve ever listened to. Excellent review!
Thank you for watching and your suggestion C Adam 😊👍
Well done Tarun. Your description of the speakers is bang on. I have a pair of these lovely speakers and I must say that once you start listening to music it is really hard to stop. For me the high lite of the speaker are the mid range which brings the artists voice to life and the horn speakers that give an extra sparkle on the top end. You don’t have to play them loud either to benefit it’s full capabilities of the speaker. At their price point to me they are a bargain plus.
Thank you I know. Great to hear about your experiences with this speaker 😊👍
@@abritishaudiophile7314 I have those speakers since 6 month. They are stunning. Every weekend they play much much better 👌
Hello, I appreciate your reviews. Very detailed. Wanted to ask if you’ve ever listened to the Quad s2, or z2 speakers?
Thank you. I have but not recently 😊
Thank you Tarun for another excellent review. The comparisons to other speakers is extremely useful. By far the best audio review channel on TY.
Thank you my friend. Always a pleasure to hear from you 😊👍👍
Another great one Tarun. Overall evaluation sounds something like a European take on a Klipsch (although maybe not quite as raucous as Klipsch, a bit more refined). More about dynamics and enjoyment than neutrality and technicalities.
Thank you Rick. I agree with you. That is an accurate assessment 😊👍
Jolly Good, First for a change. Avantgarde Acoustic speakers are the best I've ever heard, but at 25k and then up - uber horns!
Thank you for watching Billy 😊👍
I love this company's speakers after getting the Br03's. I'm going to save up and get the Genese Trio next time for my main room.
Thank you for watching 😊👍
As a proud owner of a pair, l congratulate you.
Excellent video as usual, never heard atc speakers play, but love them for some reason, I've had my dynaudios for 20 years now and craving a change, these look like a good option and from what you described they have put a lot of effort into getting that horn tweeter to behave, which is where most horn speakers are let down
Thank you Steve. The Trios are a very entertaining speaker to listen to. I agree with you, I think they have put a lot of effort into getting that horn to work well 😊👍
Tarun...I have the Triangle bro 3s....a more entry level...love them...great design...great review!!! Fyi...they do need break in time...they have become much warmer over time...just my observation,,,
Thank you Mark. I did spend a lot of time running them in as I was told they needed 200 hours. Thank you for watching and sharing your experiences 😊👍
Check out how my ProAc's are coming along on my channel Stuart E White
Rock'n the ProAc DB1's
Absolutely nailed this one - lovely delivery of you explanation of sound 👌
Thank you Ryan 😊👍
Great insight you presented Tarun about the feeling of airiness/enveloping sound being related to side wall reflections. We should not go crazy with side wall sound absorption treatment! (Unless the speakers have bad off-axis frequency response). About the sweet spot size for these Genese Trio speakers, you said that it was bigger than for the ATCs and the ProAcs because of the Genese’s sound field narrow dispersion. I thought the higher the speaker directivity, the smaller the sweet spot. So it’s more complex than that? And thanks so much for participating in the comment section and for the professionalism of your reviews.
Thank you Claude. I agree with you that side wall treatment is not always necessary if you have a speaker correctly positioned with good off axis performance.
To my understanding, good imaging and a wide sweet spot is based on a number of factors; low distortion drivers, phase alignment of drivers, minimising edge diffraction issues, narrow dispersion of speakers, etc.. These can all be considered as timing issues. If you think about it, it makes sense. Our ability to place instruments with a phantom stereo image is based on our inter-aural delay. Anything that messes with that timing is going to have an adverse effect on imaging capabilities. A narrow dispersion speaker will deliver more direct sound compared to reflected sound to the listener than a wide dispersion speaker. This is why they generally image better (even though that wasn’t the case with the Trio’s).
Early reflections within 5ms to 30ms are necessary as we rely on them for spacial cues. This is what give a speaker a sense of spaciousness and envelopment. That is why speakers need to be a minimum of 85cm away from walls (measuring from a centre line on the front baffle. These reflections also help fill a dip in the frequency response at around 2Khz caused by head related transfer functions such as head shadowing. Essentially the head blocks some of that frequency due to the wavelength matching the width of our head.
These are complex issues and I am not an expert but this is my understanding. Thank you for watching and commenting. I appreciate your support 😊👍
@@abritishaudiophile7314 Hum, very interesting. So it can get complicated quickly. Thanks for the detailed feedback Tarun. First time I hear about that head size related 2 kHz dip. You would be very good at speaker design.
@@CC-bg8gf thank you Claude 😊👍
Thanks for another technically competent review. A rarity and greatly appreciated, my friend!
Thank you Bruce. Much appreciated 😊👍
finally a simple explanation what a phase plug does. Thanks!
Thank you for watching and commenting pbode1 😊👍
Sound and enjoyment over precise musicality always gets my vote for my system, but not my studio lol! Thanks for a detailed and honest assessment!
Thank you Lonnie 😊👍
Thanks Tarun, I was waiting for this review. Time to go shopping!
Thank you Paul. I hope they live up to your expectations 😊👍
I obviously really enjoy your reviews, Tarun. Thanks for another great one. I was asked to put together a system for a friend of mine, and now these are on the short list of possibilities. Again, thanks so much!
Thank you Nick. Great to hear from you and thank you for your support. That is quite a responsibility, putting together a system for a friend. I suspect he is in very good hands 😉👍
Without measurements it's not a proper "review" now is it?
Again, great review. Only wish is if you
were just a little bit into tv/movie viewing so there would be some comment on matching center speakers. Thx
I used to be. Focus on getting the same amplification and range of speakers for the front three channels. It is really important 😊
Hey Tarun , I've learned a lot with your channel. Congrats! Just wondering, what do you think of the Triangle BR03 speakers? I want to buy a good pair of bookshelf speakers without sending too much...
Thank you Tiago. I haven’t heard them as yet but hope to soon 😊👍
Another great review! Though I’m wondering if NAD is N A D kinda like AMD.
That's how N A D say it in their own adverts on TH-cam 😉
It is N.A.D. but no uncommonly referee to as NAD in the U.K. Thank you for watching 😊👍
I thoroughly enjoy watching your content. I’ve this is my 5th video in a row today haha can’t wait to go through your entire catalog. You have opened my eyes to some other brands I haven’t heard of before. Have a great day :D
Thank you Dillon. I really appreciate you watching 👍😊👍
Thanks Tarun. I really appreciate the less in your face reviews you are doing. Coming from the north of England, the reviews really resonated with me. I'm lucky to have a good shop to audition gear but the technical parts of the reviews help my understanding.
Hi Paul, you have accurately described what I am going for. Hoping to get the right balance between entertaining and informing in a relaxed an accessible way. Thank you for watching and your support 😊👍
Very nice review. Have yo tried to bi-amp these? If you had two identical stereo amps, you could try a vertical split (one amp to left, the other right, with one channel for tweeter and the other for bass) or if not connect "horizontally" with the bass on left and right with the most powerful power amp that has a high damping factor.
Considering your very detailed listening review details, I would be very interested to hear about your experience in such an experiment. It would also change the impedance characteristic, by the way, as two parallel loads are treated separately.
The vertical arrangement is not, I think, what most audiophiles would do. My reasoning is that bass may draw a lot of current and two bass drivers on one amp may challenge a stereo amp too much. Yet this may be less perceivable with the upper frequencies impacted. I would think that an amp with sufficient power reserve between AC and audio circuits should be able to deliver strong loud bass in one channel and have unimpacted highs in the other. But that is just an assumption that I never tried to refute. The vertical arrangement would also be easier on the speaker cables and our living room looks.
Thank you for watching JP. I don’t have two identical stereo power amps so couldn’t try this option. It is a good way to go though and preferable to horizontal bi-amping in many cases for some of the reasons you describe. 😊👍
great and honest review again....how about reviewing the Dynaudio Special Forty ? I wonder how the preform against the other speakers you've reviewed.
Thank you Mrhifitunes. I would love to. I have reached out to the U.K. distributor but they have a supply problem at the moment so it may take a while. Thank you for watching and your support 😊👍
Hi Tarun, another very interesting review, as was your last two. I really enjoy the detail you go into.
I would like to give you an update on my new journey in hifi.l am finding I get more satisfaction from using and listening to vinyl records on my LP12 turntable. I still use my streamer for its convenience and listening for LPs to purchase. Is this a bit weird?
Please keep up the very good work.
Long live vinyl.
Regards
Richard Herbert
Thank you for the update Richard. I sue my streamer much the same as you. I just buy CD’s instead as I don’t have a turntable anymore 😉
Another competent review. Cheers mate.
Thank you Alex. Much appreciated 😉👍
Once again an excellent review from you Tarun. These are lovely looking speakers and look well made. I'm wondering if it would make more sense buying these over the floorstanders and buy a descent sub woofer. I'm surprised with the distance you had them from the walls as my KEF q55.2's go down to 45 htz and are only 40-50 CMS away from the wall.
Hi Steve, always great to hear from you. The Trios do some great things but are a little tubby in the bass. Keeping them away from walls helps to tighten the bass up. Thank you for watching 😊👍
Remarkable review as always!!
Greetings from Florida 🏄♀️
Thank you Hermes. Much appreciated 😊👍
Loved all the tech bits…especially the phase-plug explanation. 👍🏼
Thank you Bob 😊👍
As usual great competent review. I think you do a great job of explaining the technical aspects of the design while also conveying your own impression of the speakers character (accuracy vs musicality and tonality). Interesting that they use phase plugs in their tweeters. I have used speakers with phase plugs in both woofers and tweeters in the last speakers I designed. I can’t say that I fully understand how they work. I have heard before that they are good for phase coherence but you mentioned something about narrowing the speakers dispersion characteristic (I think that’s what I heard). Does that mean the tweeter would tend to be more beamy? Would not a wider dispersion tweeter be more desirable? Just trying to understand what to look for in a tweeter for my next speaker design ( thinking about giving Hyquphon OW2’s a try but they don’t use phase plugs.
Hi Jim, thank you for watching. I will try to explain the dispersion characteristics of drivers.
The directivity of a driver changes with the frequency it produces. The mid/woofer will be omni-directional at low frequencies and start to narrow as the frequencies increase and the wavelengths shorten. Wavelengths shorter than the diameter of the driver are highly directional. In order to get optimal off-axis response it is necessary to crossover the mid/woofer before it becomes highly directional. The relationship is described by KA=2. This is generally regarded as the most desirable point to handover duties from the mid/woofer to the tweeter. KA is a basic mathematical ratio of the circumference of the driver divided by the wavelength. Put simply the mid/woofer crossover point needs to be set before the wavelength reaches 1.5 times the diameter of the woofer.
The problem is that the tweeter is a lot smaller than the mid/woofer and needs to be to produce high frequencies. However, at the crossover point the wavelengths are much larger that the diameter of the tweeter. The tweeter has a wide dispersion whilst the mid/woofer directionality has started to narrow at the crossover point. In order to get seamless integration between the drivers you want to match the directivity of the two drivers at the crossover point. There are different ways to try to narrow the directivity of the tweeter to achieve this, waveguides, phase plugs, etc..
Once again, thank you for watching and I appreciate your support 😊👍
A British Audiophile Great explanation. Now it starts to make some sense to me. Sounds like in order to have a smooth, off axis, transition between the woofer/midrange and the tweeter they need to have similar dispersion characteristics in the crossover frequencies. I guess this helps reduce harmonic distortion off axis by keeping the upper harmonic amplitudes more proportionate to the lower harmonics? Still a bit tricky to visualize. I guess having the tweeter frequencies roll off to match the woofer roll off in the higher frequencies off axis prevents the speaker from sounding more harsh when listening off axis??
@@jimgardiner1558 Hi Jim, harmonic distortion is more to do with non-linearities in the drivers themselves. Ideally you want the off axis response to be identical to the on axis response. This is not physically possible so the next best thing is to have a smooth high frequency roll off as you move more off axis. You can not achieve this unless you match the directivity of the drivers at crossover. Up to 88% of what we hears from our speakers is reflected sound and only 12% direct sound. If the reflected sound is very different in character to the direct sound, it causes problems with stereo imaging and our brain has to work hard to make adjustments which contributes to listening fatigue.
A British Audiophile Thank you for helping me understand this complex subject matter. Since I retired last year I am trying to learn as much as I can about speaker design before attempting my next project. I was very happy with the last pair of speakers I built about 10 years ago but I’m thinking i lucked out with the driver choice (Focal 5 1/4” woofer with phase plug and Focal 1” concave tweeter with phase plug). They were likely designed to go together.
@@jimgardiner1558 Hi Jim, I admire anybody who is prepared to get their hands dirty and have go. Sounds like you have an interesting project on your hands. It should be lots of fun. Good luck 😉👍
I found your explanation of the virtues of horn tweeters very much to the point and the grafics were spot on. I know you must have a long list of gear to check out, but my local hifi pusher demonstrated a pair of Cube Audio Maguses. They were very easy to listen to and I was quite impressed.
Thank you buddy. I will look them up 😊👍
It's a joy to listen to you, I love the way you explain things especially with me having a very limited amount of knowledge! I'm about to open a box of French speakers (focal 806) I swapped them for the KEF ls50 originals which I found a little too bright for me, would have been ok if I was able to listen to them for an hour here and there but I'm looking for speakers well I can listen to them for hours on end! I would love to know what are those unusual shaped high black gloss speakers sitting facing the back wall in this video? Have you reviewed them because I can't seem to find the video!. I also want to make you aware I really do appreciate all the hard work that goes into making this videos so cheers mate!
(Apologise for accidentally deleting your comment!)
Great to hear from you buddy. The speakers are PSB Imagine Minis. I mention then in my last couple of reviews. Thank you for watching and your support as always 😊👍👍
Haha! never heard get the horn before
It is a southern British expression. I couldn’t help myself 😊👍
Hi Tarun! Do you know how they sound on an Atoll amplifier ? I saw a second hand pair for €700,-
I would have to try to be able to say 😊
Hey Tarun! New sub and enjoying your comparison style. I'm likely getting the exposure stack (pre+2 monos) of the 3010 series here in Canada. Just curious with these trios at 6:19 you mention that the Trios were at a weak spot for bass speed but actually described them as being faster than the quartets and more dynamic than ProAc's. Was that just a slip up of the tongue since these are done in one take? Thank you looking forward to more reviews. 👌
Hi jctai100, thank you for watching and the sub. I will clarify. In terms of bass weight and dynamics the Quartets would be on top, then the Trios and then my ProAcs. In terms of bass speed the reverse is true. My ProAcs would be first, then the Trios and then the Quartets. Hope that makes sense 😊👍
@@abritishaudiophile7314 Thank you! I'll be auditioning them soon
Tarun, few reviewers treat this subject quite like you do. You’re fair and honest. I like that. Keep it up for as far as I’m concerned, you have a bright future. Stay safe mates!😊👍🏻😷
Thank you my friend. I appreciate you watching and you kind words of support 😊👍
Nicely presented. The Triangle website is impressive; beautiful design.
Thank you Greg 😊👍
Honestly yes these speakers make me feel a bit randy as u guys might say across the pond. I'm after a pair of these sweet looking speakers
Cool 😎 if you get them, please let me know how you get on 👍
@@abritishaudiophile7314 Sure will.
Sooooooooo, not great imaging or soundstage? No sale. Btw good review.
Thank you for watching 😊👍
Again, very useful review for making a confident purchasing choice.
Thank you Michael. Great to hear from you 😊👍
Hi Tarun - it's such a pleasure watching and listening to your reviews so thank you for all the effort you put into them. I've been particularly taken with the Triangle brand lately as I've been looking for a more intimate experience with my HiFi as I feel a bit detached from the sound and experience with my current speakers (Kef LS50 Meta's) so am considering investing in these Genese Trio's or the 40th Anniversay Comete (around the same price here in Australia) Have you listened to the latter? I've not seen either in the flesh so would you be able to comment on the build quality of the Trio's (I'm not sure you've reviewed the Comete as yet). I have to say the Trio's look wonderful in white in the video on those stands - very stylish. Thank you
Thank you Denis. Much appreciated. I have reviewed the 40th Anniversary model too 😊👍
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@@abritishaudiophile7314 Thank you - I watched you review for the 40th Anniversary Comete. I have the option of getting a pair for an excellent price (slight mark on the base) but they are still 3 times the cost of the BR03! I can't see you've had the BR03's for review but they do seem to get excellent reports. Because of my location and their relative scarcity, I'm not in a position to audition - would you have any advice? Thanks
Perfect way to describe them.....intimate. Love those.
Great review as always, Tarun. I can easily tell these would not be my cup of Earl Grey.
Thank you Mark. Yup, they won’t be to everyone’s taste 😉👍
Nice review Tarun, that tweeter sounds good, now you gotta review triangles deadly rival focal with those magnificent beryllium tweeters.
Thank you for watching Bhupendra. I am sure I will get around to Focal at some point 😉
@@abritishaudiophile7314 that would make a great video Tarun, ie whats the best tweeter in the world. A friend has Yamaha ns1000 with beryllium tweeter and midrange. The most "live" sounding speakers I've heard. All the best Tarun.
Hello Tarun, excellent job as usual! Your reviews are so technically superior to most. Have you heard of Revel speakers in the UK? I own a model called Concerts 2 F36. If available to you, I’d be very interested in your opinion of them. I’ve owned them for a few months and my feelings are mixed. When listening to Jazz and female vocals the sound is awe inspiring. When listening to rock, I’m grabbing for the volume control. I’m on the cusp whether to keep them. Cheers!
Hi Steve, thank you for watching. Revel is one of my favourite brands of speaker. I reached out to Harman International a while back but never heard back from them. Maybe time to give it another try. Thank you for your support and feedback 😊👍
@@abritishaudiophile7314 Thanks much for the reply. I’ve been told by some folks Harmon won’t respond for Revel requests. That doesn’t seem to be the case with JBL. I corresponded with them about what I was hearing. They referred me back to my dealer. When I politely suggested they aren’t getting any pub from TH-cam reviewers, the person linked me a bunch of written reviews from 2016. So, that’s was that.
@@stevezeidman7224 that is interesting Steve. I will try and reach out to them again. 😉
Hey Tarun ! You've made these Speakers look so appealing .I have to go give them a listen now ! Cheers Mate .
Thank you Anand. They have their shortcomings but there is something special about them. I will miss them. Normally I box up a speaker straight after a review. I am still listening to them. 😉
@@abritishaudiophile7314 Very Cool ,Enjoy !
One more great explanation! I liked the tweeter idea, looks like the pinhole concept used in confocal microscopes, how they “filter” wavelengths. Makes perfect sense and you made it very clear. What do you think of those super tweeters that can be added separately to speakers?
Thank you for watching Felipe. I can’t see the point of super tweeters. Most loudspeakers extend beyond the limit of human hearing on top. If the super tweeter is not set up properly or produces some of the same frequencies as the loudspeaker’s tweeter it can cause phase issues and comb filtering effects. If you are missing top end extension find out what the cause of the problem in your hifi chain and deal with that. A super tweeter is a band aid at best but more likely to cause more issues than it solves.
@@abritishaudiophile7314 Hi Tarun, thanks for the explanation! Haha, I’m quite happy with my setup 😀. The question came to mind after someone had mentioned it to me during a chat, and I was curious about your take on it. I feel the same as you feel about it. Waiting on a pbs review. As an update, I did add an external schiit photo pre amp and it is delivering a much fuller sound compared to my NAD amp built in phono stage which was already very good
@@fts81 thank you for the update buddy 😉
Very trustworthy reviews! Great job thanks :)
Thank you buddy. Appreciate your support 😊👍
Thank you for this. Now I understand what a horn speaker is 😏😺🏴🐙
Thank you Paz 😉👍
@@abritishaudiophile7314 can I ask, when you say the classic over the shoulder toe in. I haver Kef Coda III's 'crossing' in front of my face, facing over the opposite shoulder. Is that what you mean? Or left speaker looks over left shoulder etc..? Hope this makes sense 🤣🏴🐙
Hi Paz, Classic toe-in is the left speaker passing your left shoulder and right speaker passing your right shoulder. It is normally what works best with most speakers. Although it always pays to experiment to get it right for your system and room. Have you seen my video on speaker setup? It provides you some rules to follow.
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I enjoyed this. I watched your speaker to room size video, but still have questions for anyone out there that might shed light on what size speaker I should consider for the room. If I have the entertainment unit on the small or long wall the listening distance is the same: about 9 ft to 11 ft possibly 12ft tops. The dimensions are: 15 ft W x 25 ft L, and very small drop ceiling coming in at 6.5 ft. I determined possibly stand mounts with a sub or two may be the safest way to go, but perhaps I can get by with say the Elac Carnia FS247 or the Wharfedale EVO 4.4 or Triangle Bro 8 etc. Anyone have suggestions? Thanks.
Hi Mark, the distance you are away from the speakers means that you could get away with floorstanders. The issue is controlling the bass. Large speaker will just make the bass problems that all rooms have more noticeable if it isn’t positioned correctly. In the right position you will achieve even bass in the listening position. If you want more even bass across your room, bass traps, subwoofers and DSP play am important role 😊👍
Thank you for the reply. I am planning a trip to the store to demo a few floors. Thanks again. Love to get your reviews on the Elac Carnia 247 floors and the Wharfedale EVO 4.4
@@markd4292 thanks Mark. I hope to get to them in time 😊👍
Yes that would be lovely if you get the Wharf EVO 4.4 and/or the Elac Carnia floor before I decide on a speaker. LOL. There are not much in depth reviews (least not to your extent) on these speakers. It really stinks that I have no dealers near me that carry Elac speakers of any model. I am basing my interest in them purely because of Andrew Jones' engineering prowess and philosophy. I think he is the only engineer that actually finds it more enjoyable and challenging making a budget friendly speaker than a high end product, and we all know of his experience in that realm.
Thanks. Be Well.
PS. Have you heard of LSA speakers and Kinki Studio amps?
@@markd4292 I not sure if I have come across LSA but I hope to set some Kinki Studio amps in at some point. You should check out PSB speakers as well. Paul Barton’s speakers tend to punch well above their weight 😊👍
Nice one Tarun, I really enjoy your videos! I liked these speakers and could easily have lived with them, though it was a firm no from the esthetics committee. I did find they really fell apart driven with a H90, compared to my resident Sugden signature 41s. Bass tubby, sound bound to each speaker and the tweeters and woofers calling attention to themselves, where they seemed to integrate great using the Sugden. Someone suggested that I might have hooked them up out of phase (which I consider myself to anal to have happen 🤣), but since you found them to work well with the Hegel, I just might have 🤔 Unfortunately both are no longer here to confirm.
Thank you for sharing your experiences Sune. They are a bit tubby in the bass but I didn’t encounter the other problems you experienced. Partnering equipment, room, placement all play their part too. Thank you for watching and I appreciate your support 😊👍
@@abritishaudiophile7314 Heard none these 'issues' with the Sugden 115w (in fact bass sounded tight and clean) only with the Hegel. Cheers 🙂
Aesthetic committee......WHUT?
Very good review! Thanks!
Thank you Raymondey 😊👍
I love triangle audio
Thank you for watching Vince 😉
Thanks for another top review Tarun end especially for the explanations near the beginning.
Thank you Keith. I appreciate you watching and your support 😊👍
@@abritishaudiophile7314 My pleasure and as I said you explain things in ways even an old sod like me can understand ;-) You're just one of two HiFi people I subscribe to and look forward to your posts.
@@keithwood4031 I am very flattered 😊👍
How long does it take to make a review video like this? Great videos by the way
Hi James, there is a lot more work involved than most people realise. Contacting manufacturers, arranging delivery, conducting listening tests, gathering info about the design, videoing, editing and responding to comments. I haven’t worked out the hours, it would probably put me off doing it 😂 Thank you for watching and your support 😉👍
@@abritishaudiophile7314 thanks for responding. I'm glad you do it I wouldn't know where to start
Good to see you closing in on 20K subscribers. What interested me most in this review is your statement that you will be reviewing the Audiolab 6000A. When do you think that review will be out? Coincidentally I'm looking at the Audiolab to pair with Quad 25Ls directly or as a DAC and pre-amp into the Quad 99 power amp to drive the 25Ls. So really hoping that your review of the Audiolab 6000A will be out very soon. Cheers. Keep up the great reviews.
Thank you Jeremy. I have a couple of product reviews to get out first and then the Audiolab 6000A. It arrived last week and I have just started listening 😊👍
@@abritishaudiophile7314 I would like to await your review before deciding on the Audiolab 6000A so looking forward to it. On a different aspect, I've seen a couple of your reviews where you've pointed out both things you like as also things you don't (but others may like) and then rated the product as Highly Recommended. How would you rate a product which has nothing that you dislike? Is there a scale on which you rate or propose to rate products (e.g. 0 to 5 ⭐ like What HiFi), so I would know between two products which is the one you prefer or consider to be the better product?
@@jeremylynnchagaspereira4158 Hi Jeremy, as much as we all have personal bias, I try my best to remove this when reviewing a product. Of course me own enthusiasm for a particular product may creep in but I have to keep in mind, “ what will most listeners experience be of this product?” I have 3 classifications...
Recommended - Product that over good overall performance within their price category.
Highly Recommended - Products that have good overall performance but may be exceptionally good in some areas.
Outstanding - products that set a performance benchmark by which all other products should be judged with exceptionally good overall performance.
@@abritishaudiophile7314 Thanks! This will help me better understand your reviews. Your approach is correct, as different people have different preferences, and the sound I may not like is exactly what someone else may be looking for. Your review would help both of us decide - that the product is not for me or just what I want.
@@jeremylynnchagaspereira3926 thank you Jeremy 😊👍
Nice review . Would like to know the make and model of the speaker stand used on this . Thanks
They are Target R4s. Thank you for watching 😉👍
@@abritishaudiophile7314 Thanks, one more Q on the stand, I am considering ATC SMC 19 after hearing the demo and on your excellent review on the same. What stand did you use on the ATC SMC 19? Thanking you in advance. Regards
@@vpmm1832 Hi vpm, I used my Target R4s 👍
What a introduction! Brilliant
Thank you Alex 👍😊👍
great review and super interesting product!
It is an interesting speaker. I will miss them. Thank you for watching and your support 😊👍
I am considering buying these to be used as surround soundi speakers with my Bowers and Wilkins 700 Series?
My main front speakers are the Totem Accoustic Tribe Speakers. How do you think the Triangles will pair sonically with my existing speakers?
I would stick with speakers from the same brand 😊
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I think your right.
Thank You
@@abritishaudiophile7314 Thank You so much for urging me to stay away from the Triangle Trio Speakers.
I fell in love with how they looked. However, these are not detail oriented & lively speakers as are my 2 pairs of Bowers and Wilkins
706 S2s.
The Triangles would be a bad match in my 7.2 surround sound system.
My Totem Accoustic Tribe front speakers, to my ears, pair very nicely with my Bowers and Wilkins HTM72 S2 Center Channel Speaker.
I really enjoy how well they sound together.
They are clean, neutral and dynamic.
I am so happy with my rig & feel fortunate to have it.
I have no need to spend a small fortune for a ticket to a movie in a cinema.
Thanks Again for your kind assistance & insight.
You saved me from making an $800. mistake on a used pair of Triangle Trio Speakers.
Very well reviewed 🙏🏽👍
Thank you buddy 😊👍
Loooool
Thank you Tarun 👍👍👍
You are most welcome. Thank you for watching 😊👍
Now I'm just asking advice unrelated to this video... But... After my father bought one of those IOTAvx power amps based on your review (and hasn't expressed even the smallest regret) and seen the difference it made to his low end (at the time) tiny dynaudios - Grandfather has been getting curious about upgrading his power amp stage to either one, or a pair bridged mono, of those IOTA power amps... still running from his Cyrus preamp (but ditch the power amp half of the combo).
I know you can't go back in time nor can you see/hear his setup, but at a total guess - and having more experience than I... Could one one hope (or even expect) to hear audible improvement in one (or two, bridged) of those compared to a 15 year old Cyrus "little box" power amplifier?
I get the impression he's perfectly happy with the cyrus preamp - as would I be I suppose - he's after a little more power and control for those monster Special 25s!
As of 7/22 Trios with Carver tfm-35 augmented by Sunfire sub. Sound very 'personal'.
Thank you for watching 😊
Hi Tarun. Great review. A couple if questions. You tried them with different genres of music? Would you say they're all rounder's?
Hi Von, I always try a wide range of music genres when reviewing to distill the characteristics of a speaker or component. The Trios are all rounders in the sense that they have wide enough overall capabilities to suit most styles of music. However, they aren’t neutral in their sound signature. I don’t think that is what Triangle were aiming for. This is a warm, rich, lively speaker that will suit some people but not those who crave precision and neutrality 😉
OK..... So quite a bit more expensive to send these across the channel than to cross the Atlantic? I don't believe it for a second. These should be cheaper in the UK than in the USA.
I agree that you would ordinarily expect them to be cheaper in the U.K. than the USA. I suspect Adorama have done some bulk purchase deal with Triangle. Hence the lower price in the U.S.A.
I am currently happy with my JBL'S, but these triangles are on my mind.
Cool 😉
the shot gun effect of these things is what contributes to the stereotype that the audiophile hobby is meant for one person. the rest of the industry is moving away from speakers designed for one person in one seat.
Thank you for watching and commenting 😊
I wonder how these would compare to my Polk R 200s sound ? I really like the look of them
Unfortunately, I haven’t heard the Polks 😊
Hi! Not sure whether you will pick this comment up as this is down the road from your review of the Triangle Genese trio.
I bought a pair from Adorama a few months ago and pleased with the purchase. I somehow think they could be even be better. The review from New Record Day was good but interestingly enough Ron went further and took measurements which
encovered areas of concern. I dare say this could be fixed ? ( having watched GR Rsearch and danny's upgrades of speakers , shows it is common for these manufactures to skimp on the quality of components on the crossovers. I asked Ron of NRD if upgrading the crossovers on the Trio's could elevate them to the next level, he never responded. After all that can I ask you, do you think if i replaced the components in the crossover with better quality parts would this do the trick or would I need
to have them measured to evaluate what parts and which parts and any change of specs of the parts to get an end result ?
See NRD review to see the measurements taken if that helps. Would appreciate your comment/advice even if you are unable
to be sure or don't know...best regards..Alain
Hi Alain, not all manufacturers go for a flat frequency response. Also, the sound power measurement in your listening position (which takes into account reflections) is more critical than the on axis response taken from a metre away with a gated response. Certainly, crossover parts matter but switching sandcast resistors for metal film or oxide is not always beneficial. The metal resistor is likely to have a lower ESR (equivalent series resistance) so will lift the treble and give the perception of more detail. Too much to get into here but the lesson is there are no shortcuts. If you are going to change the crossover, it needs to be done by someone who knows what they are doing 😊
@@abritishaudiophile7314 Tarun, thank you for responding, much appreciated. I do understand what you are saying and to be fair my current short term living/listening space is not ideal. I drive the Trio's with a Peachtree Nova150 which may or may not be the ideal match. I am seriously thinking of getting the Willsenton R8 as it appears to match up very well with the trio's going by reviews inc stand alone reviews like you have done as well. Also includes the opportunity of tube rolling which gives you the flexability to adjust the sound to ones liking, probably more so in the pre-amp stage. Thanks again, best regards from New Zealand.
Hi tarun
Why do trio Costa almost the same as comete 40th anniversary are they same quality or better beside design is better
The Trio is an older design that they brought back. It has a fancier cabinet but old generation of drivers 😊
@@abritishaudiophile7314 hi Tarun,
Thx for info.
Will you go for the 40th even if you can find trio on sale? Will use either trio or 40th with my Roksan attessa
@@zoranjovancic9816 that is a tough choice. In some countries the Trios can be had for a bargain price 😊
@@abritishaudiophile7314 hehe yeah thats right
I do still think the Trio is a more detailed and very good all around speaker for a bargain price off 600eur
The 40th is surely nice handcraft and the tweeter do very good job.
Have u tried it with the Attessa?
@@zoranjovancic9816 Roksan didn’t respond to my request to review the Attessa 😊
@4:33 you've said the frequency leave the tweeter at different speeds....I don't thinks so!! the speeds of waves are the same for all frequencies and it is 345 m/s, that is the speed of sound in air.
Hi Francesco, I would agree once we are talking about the propagation of waves in the room under normal atmospheric conditions. Triangle are referring to relatively small differences inside the horn adjacent to the radiating surface of the cone. They are not the only company that uses phase plugs to get a more even phase distribution across tweeters. It is a fairly common practice. Thank you for watching 😉
@@abritishaudiophile7314 Hi, British Audiophile.
Hi Briish Audiophile.
Sorry, but I think physic laws are true in every conditions, both in "room under normal atmosferic conditions" than in the space adiacent the horn, so all sound waves, at different frequencies, travel at same speed (345 m/s)!!
I think, the function of "the phase plug" is to minimize the differences about sound wave path lengths from the emission center of the tweeter to the listener. This reduce frequency dip and produce better phase coherence , as you correctly said, but not because of different speeds of frequencies.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phase_plug.
Not to argue but only to give a contribution to your channel.
Regards
Francesco
Sorry for my bad English :(
Never heard of triangle. French you say. They look cool.
Thank you for watching Vic 😉
Horn plus compression driver equals🤗🤪 if done right. Key word, if done right! Need to ask JBL about the nuances.🤓 Horn without compression driver is 🤔🙄😦 most of the time! Think klipsch RP series! Horn and compression driver is like peanut and jelly!😬😜 Yummy!🤭
Thank you for watching and commenting Big Jay 😉
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You do a fantastic job and I subscribe to what I think would be hundreds of these type of channels!🤗😉😇
@@bigjay1970 thank you. Much appreciated 👍
Really useful video. What speaker stands would go with the Genese? They are such an odd shape. Thank you for your thoughts.
I used my Target R4s. I think most people will want 24 inch wide base, sturdy stands.
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Thank you
Hi Mr. Tarun! 👋Good evening 🌃....
Good day to you too 😉
Do they have a wood finish for these? Sweet sounding ON PURPOSE.
No, only black or white finish
They did used to do a Rosewood type finish but I that’s only seen them in gloss white or black at the moment 😉
Just hooked up my Trios today. At first tremendously UNimpressed. Presently in burn-in mode with Rotel power.
Hopefully, you will like them more once they have broken in 😊
@@abritishaudiophile7314 Maybe it's my imagination, but every time l listen to them l hear musical subleties trying to get out. Also l have to reinforce my stands to support these properly. I prefer wooden stands for aesthetic reasons. Any suggestions would be appreciated.
@@oluhamilton2121 wood stands can resonate. I would go for a heavy duty metal stands that you could fill for more stability and damping 😊
@@abritishaudiophile7314 duly noted, sir.
Need a stand for this speakers. Any suggestions?
Something solid about 60cms high would work for most people. Atacama do some good stands that are widely available and reasonably priced 😊
@@abritishaudiophile7314 Thanks 🙂
My Zingali's have a lovely horn tweeter and a single mid/bass. They are just a 2 way bass reflex stand mount design, the cabinet is not particularly large but they go down to 40hz. How have they achieved this?
I am not familiar with that speaker so can’t really say. I am guessing compression drivers so that the sensitivity doesn’t drop too low 🤔👍
@@abritishaudiophile7314 The tweeter is a compression driver and the sensitivity is in the 90db's.
The mid/bass drivers in each speaker are now falling apart. I'm tempted by passive radiator designs or PMCs with transmission lines for the lower bass response and Zingali's are a bit spendy. I would like to demo a lot of components but nowhere has everything under one roof and Covid has made going to retailers difficult. When people suggest home trials how safe is it to request a component and try it for at least a week, how safe is that? Will the retailer insist you buy the item?
@@abritishaudiophile7314 Another big dilemma I always have is whether to get bookshelf speakers on stands or the floor standing version of the bookshelf. Typically once you add the price of stands you are knocking on the door of floor standers but I worry that a floor stander will be too big and boomy for my room.
@@earthstick it is tough at the moment. Once things settle down, I would try to build a relationship with a couple of dealers that have product lines you may be interested in. They shouldn’t be pressurising you into buying something.
Nice review
Interesting. Nice to hear what they're NOT as much as what they are. Not for me, but nothing really is as I'm waiting for my grandfather to go deaf so his promised Dynaudio Special 25s finally come my way:D
Any money spent between now and then on speakers is just for variety over upgrades in sound quality!
Point being, I'm not in the market at all, but ya know - always interesting to hear your views.
Thank you jjams. You do know that there has been a lot of advancement in hearing aids over the last few years 😂
@@abritishaudiophile7314 SHUSSSHHHHH!!!!!! You aint helping:D
His eyes are going faster, 95 years old and more or less immortal, survived german WW2 POW camps, then russians as they tore through the east... I suspect maybe sticking walnut burl vinyl all over my M.A. Bronze 2's and making a sneaky switcheroo is my best bet haha
Your grandad sounds like a great guy and has very good taste in hifi. Please tell him next time your speak to him. I hope he is around for at least another 5 years. 100 🥳🥳🥳
I've just ordered these speakers at RRP £1300. Delivery will be about 5 weeks.
Cool 😎 Please let me know how you get on 😊
@@abritishaudiophile7314 I will do. I've heard from Triangle in France (Elodie Deveau) that delivery will be sooner than expected which is good as they are for my 65th birthday!! I must say their customer service is first class.
I'm pairing them up with my Cyrus One, do you think that'll be a good match? Many thanks.
@@ericlow1461 cool 😎 I can see that combo working well but the proof is always in the pudding 😊
Tarun hi. I have had a wee bit of time to listen to my new Genese Trios now and I have to say they're a big improvement on my previous Bro3. The Trio's are much more expensive but really are worth the extra expense. My amplifier is a Cyrus One.
The bass is punchy and tight, the midrange is superb, very "open" and "smooth" and the tweeter is lovely, not harsh at all. So these Trios are a big step up for me from my previous Bro3. I really like the sound from Triangles. Well worth the price.
@@ericlow1461 I can see how that combination would work. Thank you for the update. Glad to know you are enjoying them 😊👍
Do you have a video about Power conditioner?????
Hi Francisco, they feature in this video...
th-cam.com/video/Dtb88_hbCFQ/w-d-xo.html
@@abritishaudiophile7314 Thanks and greetings from California USA
Excellent review!!
Thank you Hermes 😊👍
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Hello Tarun, as usual - another very informative review. I do love the look of these speakers
and I was surprised that, given the reviews out there, these are very moderately priced here
in N. America. This is the year (as mentioned earlier) that I am going to begin to replace most
of my audio gear. I just might consider these Triangles and pair them up with a Hegel. Should I do
so I'll be sure to use your affiliate link. I am still considering the ATC/Harbeth/Dynaudio contenders
but budget is a consideration. Again, great review and I thank you.
Thank you Charles. They are a thoroughly enjoyable speaker. Please keep me posted 😊👍👍
They look like a B&W 805D3 rip-off.
They couldn’t sound more different than the B&W 805D3s...
My understanding is Triangle were producing this design before B & W. and they are totally different than B & W.
@@Nick-sk1qp I don’t know who was first with the de-baffle tweeter but the Triangle’s and very different in design and sound to the B&W 800 series,
@@abritishaudiophile7314 Hi Tarun, I think I know what you mean. . . The B & W 800 are a more refined speaker than the Trio’s.
@@Nick-sk1qp 800’s clean, analytical, a tad bright. Trio’s warm, full and rich sounding 😉
Currently doing tube preamplifaction, graphic eq with these. sweetSweetSWEET. ALWAYS EXPERIMENTING.