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Kendall Rae and Danelle Are the only youtubers I take seriously when it comes to true crime coverage. They give back, include the family as much as possible, and don’t disrespect the victims. Much appreciation for not using tragic events as click bait or clout
I completely agree! I also watch bella fiori she covers more cases from Australia but they’re very interesting and always respectful and as accurate as possible which I love about all three of these youtubers
I watch both their channels. Love them
If you love these gals you GOTTA check out Stephanie Harlowe!
Agree ! Also “10 to life” love her also!
same! just those two
I feel like “John” saw an opportunity to fix the issues he had with Brandon and acted on it. I also feel that due to his level of intoxication John couldn’t think of a story to tell police but instead called friends. It may not have been premeditated but it was a crime of opportunity
bingo
I went out and partied a lot in my 20s, but did have a couple of rules:
1. If we came together, we're going home together.
2. No strangers in our car and no getting into a stranger's car.
3. Get all the phone numbers you want. You can call when you're sober.
No matter how much we drank. No matter how late it was. Even if we got into an argument. These were the rules that me and my group of friends followed.
I really like the rule’s, I’m going to implement them with our group. Thank you for putting this up.
Me and my group of people in college really should have followed rule number three😬 …. That’s a great rule
YES! A SENSE OF CLASS EVEN IF YOU'RE TRASHED!
Although if a stranger gets in our car not so big of a deal we're "men" we do martial arts just for fun, and I keep weapons and try to keep my eyes as open as possible.. (says the blindfolded sword guy) but sometimes you just meet a nice stranger. I still believe in nice strangers lol.
Yeah, I was a real scene kid back in the day, and my closest friends and I always followed pretty similar rules. No splitting up; at the very least, see each other off in cabs. And if someone gets in trouble, the most sober person in the group is sticking with them and making sure they're okay. I was an ER babysitter for friends with broken bones or in need of stitches after mishaps on a wild night out more than once, and I never minded because I knew they'd do the same for me. I never needed it, but they've helped me out in so many ways since!
It sort of says something about a father who will hire a party bus and open tabs at multiple bars for unlimited drinking but won’t hire a ‘bus’ to make sure the young adults make it to a safe place, doesn’t it?! How irresponsible!!
I believe in Pa if you get into a car accident and you are coming home from a house party not sure if this would fall into this kind of category since I guess in my option that the father if no one else should be responsible and would get charged with something. I really believe “John” pushed him and possibly went back 2 minutes later to make sure he fell all the way down to the river and possibly into the river. When he ran away the first time I think it was because he was afraid possibly of being heard then the 2nd time is when he wanted to be sure he was in the water. If “John” was a good person and knew he didn’t know how to swim he should have tried to help him and get him out of the water and not just run away. If you have nothing to hide you should call the police
@@cynthiahusband9496 yeah I’m not totally convinced ‘John’ isn’t totally involved I’m still upset that the dad ‘planned’ this whole party and OWNS a bar and didn’t know any better then to have a couple taxis or bus waiting to take them all back to the apartment!
That part exactly
Weirdly enough, we had a similar story in my area (Pittsburgh) that happened literally _one month_ after what happened to Brandon. A girl from my high school had a younger brother who worked at this big boat that takes people up and down the river. A bunch of the employees had gone out drinking and ended up going back to one of the boats after hours. Her brother ended up falling into the river and drowning.
Everybody there said he had jumped, but his family have always said that couldn't be true because he didn't even know how to swim, and that he was actually afraid of the water like that so he would've never done that to begin with. The surveillance video (according to the news stations who saw it) showed him trying to get back up onto the dock and 2 other employees trying to help, but then one of them ran away to the office (presumably to call for help) and a minute or so later the other one ended up letting him go, where he immediately went under the water and drowned. The video also showed some of the employees fleeing before emergency services could get there.
Hearing Brandon's story just reminded me so much of that, and then when I looked it up just now to see when it was I was really surprised to see that it was in July of 2014, about a month after Brandon drowned. (You can just Google "Gateway Clipper Fleet drowning" if anybody's interested in reading about that case too)
I’m originally from the Pittsburgh area (Washington specifically) and remember this well.. it was so sad. I’ve since moved to Massachusetts and don’t miss all of the tragedies that have happened in Pittsburgh.
@@urfavspookybabe tragedy happens everywhere. Thousands of innocent men and women were burned for supposedly practicing witchcraft, in Massachusetts
@@ThePathOfLeastResistanc I wasn’t saying tragedy doesn’t happen everywhere. It obviously does. I know plenty about the history of the area I live in.
That's so sad. Those 2 people could've probably gotten that guy out of the water.
I just read about this story after reading your comment. Wow. So so sad
All those 'duty to...' laws sound so fricking complicated. Here in europe most countries have this one simple rule Brandons family is pushing for. If you see someone in trouble, needing help, you are supposed to AT LEAST call police or an ambulance. You are encouraged to do CPR if you know how to do it and you are legally protected if your attempts at helping someone may cause damadge, like breaking a rib during CPR, because if the persons heart is not beating and they are not breathing, a broken rib is the least of their concerns.
But again, you don't have to help in that way if you are feeling uncomfortable or it is dangerous to do so (always make sure YOU are safe first ie do not try to run across a highway or something in order to help someone) BUT you are obliged to call for professional help.
We have something similar in Pennsylvania we have to call for help, we have to do CPR if we are certified because if we don’t we can get charged if something happens and he could have been saved. But if you’re not certified and you intervene and crack a rib or something you are supposed to be safe from charges under the Good Samaritan law
@@cynthiahusband9496 Only if we know the person experiencing the emergency. Not total complete strangers. I would hope people would help as I know I would, no doubt. But nothing will happen to you if you don’t.
That surveillance video is so eerie... I do not think "John's" whole story to police is as accurate as what actually happened (covering up info on purpose vs just poor memory, I'm not sure).
I just don't understand how you can see someone falling to their death and do nothing about it. Not only that but John also ran away like 5 seconds later. If the video is not tempered with, I don't think he even had the time to yell out Brandon's name. I simply cannot comprehend why he would just leave him there. Unless he was actually hoping for Brandon to have died there and he waited so long to call the police to make sure he was in fact dead.
Facts
@@Kristynne. you can be drunk and see something happen and know you can't do anything directly without putting yourself in danger too, speaking from experience.
He may not have been intoxicated enough to be incoherent, but he may have been intoxicated enough to stop making memories 🤷🏻♀️. The first time I ever blacked out from drinking I had been swimming laps on a pool, made everyone food and cleaned up a kitchen. I have no memory of those events…but did them all perfectly. Alcohol is a wild toxin.
thats so scary!
“You raised me right, I’ve got this” brought tears to my eyes 💜
My daughter was dating one of his brothers when this happened…. The funeral was huge. A terrible crime I believe ! Thank you for doing this!!!
It would make people more inclined to help. Here in central FL there was a house party down my road and some drama went down. Two dudes jumped this guy, for why has always been up in the air. He hit a coffee table or something and got knocked out, so they dragged him out of the house and left him in the driveway. Only like one girl checked on him, and it was apparently so bad, blood down the driveway, that her boyfriend was like, "we need to get tf outta dodge." and a bunch of other people left, scared that he wasn't just knocked out. After the party they loaded him into the back of a truck, went to a gas station, filled up some gas cans - took him out to the woods and set his body on fire. They *THOUGHT* he was dead. They burned him alive. No one called, no one offered to just take him home or drop him off anonymously to the hospital. Lot of people only talked when they though they were facing repercussions(rightfully) for dipping out or not even anonymously calling. RIP AARON DOTY
That is fucking disgusting
@@missbieber1211 It absolutely was. One of the guys was someone who used to come over to my house all the time and eat dinner and help my mom and us with stuff, shocked the hell outta me but not too surprised because he was a follower kind of person, like I wouldn't put it past him to do something like that - but not it being his idea if that makes sense. Then drugs got a hold of him.
@@corpomorto9421 wow! Is everyone doing jail time?
@@DamnPam1211 The two involved got life. But they're the only ones. There was a petition for Aaron Dotys Law to push for people to get accessory to murder, for the no calls during or after, recording the fight, and the friend who lent them the truck. Had to read up on it but no one else got in trouble.
That's so horrible!!!!! I can't believe how disgusting people can be!!!! 😢😢😢
Ms. Hallan: “…My demographics are mainly those in their late teens into their twenties…”
Me: “Christ, I’m old! “ 😄✌️
Same 👵😂
@@laceyfontenot186 🙂✌️
Same lol..
@@LadyLeeBird 🙂✌️
Right lol guess we're just the cool older crowd lol
I’m glad you’re bringing awareness to the duty to act laws!!! It’s so important for people to be aware
Awareness is key!
@@TriciaMaria OMG same!!! I'm always saying that, it most def applies to every aspect of life!!!
@@Noey87 facts! That’s why I’m so into true crime haha and started my own petite channel!
I have the distinct feeling that what may have happened is, Brandon walked/ran towards the woods because he thought he was going to get sick and didn't want to do so on a public street/sidewalk, and that perhaps while bent over, John pushed him. To me that's the only thing that makes sense as to why he would run away that fast. He would then have likely come back for a minute to see that he did in fact get pushed far enough that he was unable to be seen. At that point John ran to that gas station, called the taxi, and went home so that he could claim he didn't know what happened. I would bet anything that's similar to what went down. I think John had motive, he didn't call the cops and instead went home to bed (which no one in their right mind would do if their friend just "fell" and it was an accident). There's absolutely no reason he couldn't have called the police to get him rescued unless he WANTED that to happen. It's the only thing that makes sense. And would explain him running away as far and quickly as he could and going back to that house. He wanted Brandon to be lost and I bet when he came back to the scene the next day and spent two hours there before calling police he was checking to see if there was any evidence he could've left behind before actually calling the police. If you ask me, it all adds up. Would also make sense as to why his story kept changing, and the fact that "someone" said they were responsible. I think it's a likely scenario as to what happened. 🧐
That is very smart thinking…. I think you likely hit the nail on the head.
Yes I def agree with that!! Especially since his hat was found still on the bank as if he was pushed and it was left behind while he was falling into the water.... gosh it's disgusting to think this john guy knew Brandon was struggling in that water and just left him there.. I couldn't live with that in my conscience. I swear ppl these days are just heartless. GOD bless Brandon's sweet family! So sorry for their loss and still not having closure or "justice" in some way. Thanks Danelle!
I was under the impression that "John" could be a POC too, and therefore be afraid to call the police and be accused wrongly of murder, but that's definitely not the case. None of the other people that attended the party are POC.
This makes me think that either "John" acted by impulse and pushed Brandon, or he lured Brandon there with the intention of pushing him into the river.
Either way, this is very sad for Brandon's family and I hope they get justice for him.
This acc makes so much sense 💯
I fully agree with you. The first thing I thought of when he ran away was “did you just push him over?” That’s the ONLY thing that makes sense in my mind. If he just “fell over” why didn’t you call the police/ambulance right away so they could possibly rescue him? Because he didn’t want him to be rescued. He was probably hoping for brain trauma so it would look like he fell and not been pushed!! So very sad.
I feel so terrible about this! Brandon’s family must be hurting immensely!
That said, I feel like everyone is being a little hard on his friend. I feel it may be misplaced frustration. Perhaps the friend wasn’t as drunk as Brandon, but there is still no way to surmise how intoxicated he was or was not. As far as calling a cab, etc. in my youth I witnessed extremely inebriated friends do all kinds of things; there is really no telling what a drunk person should or should not be able to do. Also, it appears that early on the friend was the only one who even bothered to try to help. Finally, is anybody really surprised that when something happens involving two young and really drunk (and possibly high, who knows?) black males, one of them is possibly wary or afraid to call the police initially? In some ways, with regard to the current climate concerning race and the police, we are asking to have things both ways…trust the police sometimes, but not others; unfortunately, it’s up to you to decide when that time is.
Frankly, I think the real culprit is the birthday boy’s father’s extremely terrible judgment!
Still, I can’t tell you how much sympathy I have for Brandon’s family!
One more way we’re asking to have it two ways that I forgot to mention is the following:
With all due respect to the victim, we are allowing him to be as inebriated as possible, under the circumstances, even no one really knows the truth of the situation. Nobody questions that his actions were most likely due to extreme intoxication. However, we’re not allowing the friend the same level playing surface, but automatically assuming he wasn’t that drunk or wasn’t as drunk as Brandon, when we don’t really know how drunk he was. I feel that’s not exactly fair.
I think there was just too many things that he was able to do that were very clear headed, but he somehow was so drunk he forgot about his friend “falling”…. Seems too convenient! And then his constantly changing stories….
Your comments are well taken.
John may have had the taxi number in his phone, maybe the gas station attendant called for him; we don’t know how difficult it was for the cab driver to find the destination…they may have driven around a bit while John tried to find where to go. Also, nobody seems to dispute that John drank and was probably drunk, though not as drunk as Brandon. I guess in this case, because there are so many unknowns, I have a hard time putting the majority of the responsibility on one drunk young person to take on the responsibility of knowing what to do or how to help another drunk young person.
However, I also wonder if John may have been fearful to call the police fearing he may get blamed for hurting Brandon. This happened to a small degree anyway. Basically, I feel there are just too many unknowns regarding the young men. However, we do know that the birthday boy’s father acted pretty irresponsibly and had zero forethought about how a bunch of open tabs and drunk young people may end up in tragedy. As of yet, I haven’t heard anything from or about the dad.
Again, I appreciate your thoughtful response.
one of my first thoughts was that they were both two inebriated young Black males, and calling the police was not an option John thought was safe, especially if his friend is black out drunk and potentially unpredictable. Not saying his friend ISN'T guilty but it's definitely something to take into consideration.
Agree 100%!!!! Couldn’t have written this better myself. Exactly what I was thinking!
i went to school with brandon. he was an amazing dude, the man rumored to be responsible still lives right in town.
Wow!! Do u think he did it?
He seemed wonderful:(
@@brendacroteau I'm curious as well
@@brendacroteau I’m so curious 🧐
@@brendacroteau me three :)
Thank you from bringing awareness to cases in MI!! You don’t hear much about the cases here and it truly SUCKS. Thoughts to him and his family ❤️
You’re right, not many MI cases get coverage in the true crime community. I did just watch Janet Chandler’s case by Joshua Miles from 1979 that he did 9 months ago. You should check it out; it’s a doozy.
@@glauvieI love Joshua Miles!
I’m from Oregon and I follow several true crime content creators and have only heard a handful of Oregon cases. Some of which I hadn’t heard of myself which I was shocked by. It seems like the main states we hear about are the most populated. Texas, California, Florida I feel like I’m missing one.
@@saratibbs9564 it’s rare for sure! Certainly the most prolific ones seem to come from those states at least that’s what I’ve found whilst researching cases too
Check out the Already Gone podcast. She primarily covers Michigan cases.
I love how she now always says her name at the beginning of her videos so that people finally stop asking her how its pronounced :) so sweet
Im so sorry for the families loss and hope they can get some closure. If we judge John based off his actions that night , it seems he may of been a big contributor to Brandons death. I feel there is more of a reason why john didnt call 911 right away.
most likely because if brandon was saved, he could of claimed john pushed him
Hi Danelle! Omg THANK YOU for blessing us with an hour long video! I’ve never heard of this case before so I’m eager to listen and watch. I just got home from work and ate dinner quick, I’m soooo excited to lay down and watch this. Thank you for all your hard work, it does not go unnoticed!! Love you❤️
It seems such a sad reflection on society that a law to act is even needed. Lansing needs to sort their bloody fences out ffs, that poor family having to fight for such basics.
They know what happened, but they're staying silent. Hopefully Brandon haunts John's dreams.
I'm from Lansing and unfortunately, this kind of stuff happens all of the time. A lot of people go into the Grand River and never come out. Or they go in and don't make it out for a while. Multiple bodies are pulled from that river every year. It's completely awful and no excuse in this case. Just a bit of information.
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I think "John" absolutely pushed him, I'm even willing to bet that Jon led him to the street and dead end where he was pushed by telling Brandon which direction to go. Unfortunately, unless John makes a confession to police (which will never happen) there will never be a conviction. There's not enough evidence.
As someone who has partied downtown Lansing years ago, I can tell you that a lot of places down there are walkable, but they're always just a littleee bit further away than they seem when you start walking. If you're absolutely inebriated and alone, there's no way you'd be able to find your way home. Not to mention the Grand River is unexpectedly vicious. It swings all the way over to Grand Rapids where I'm from and so many people die in the river every year. It's terribly sad. I'm so sorry for Brandon's family and friends. Thank you for bringing awareness to this case and this law to hopefully help others in the future
Watch Danielle Kristy as well!! She does really well!! Her cares for the victims truly shows as well.
I kind of feel like this was an accident. They were drunk and Brandon fell, John panicked and went home. Once he sobered up the next day he realized the trouble he could be in. Poor kid. Poor family.
I am so very sorry that this happened, my heart goes out to Brandon’s family. And I hope that there isn’t any criticism of Brandon going out and drinking too much, how many people at his age have not ever done something like that? I’m just devastated that nobody called for help, nobody stood up and did the right thing. I know it isn’t easy, but I also know that I have a 21-year-old son and there have been times where he has been OK by the grace of God, and there have been times where a friend has done the right thing. I won’t go into it because it’s his story and not mine, but I am grateful every day for young people who do speak up and do call for help. Please, do the right thing. It can be anonymous! But just don’t leave people alone if your gut is telling you not to do so. Please! 🙏🏻Danelle, amazing job as always. Thank you for caring so much. ❤️
Why would you call your friends for assistance rather than the police if you believe your friend has fallen into a river? My first instinct would be to try and help my friend while calling the police asap. So suspicious...
I still ask my 4 sons to check in with me if they're going on a road trip, etc. Even though they're all in their 20's, because you never stop being a mom/parent. Just a I'm safe text is all I ask. That they got there safely. That's all I need to know is that they're safe.. I have a Brandon myself and they're definitely goal and business minded..
John was walking straight as hell! And he was right beside Brandon he knows exactly what happened to him. Smh
That “R.I.P. Brandon” text is so eerie considering what happened hours later
I think John's intentions were good and Brandon likely was refusing to go with John so he followed him which was more than a lot of people would do. I think he fell in the river and John was drunk and panicked and/or possibly blacked out at that point. I've experienced blacking out when drunk at the exact moment that something stressful occurred. Then he remembered bits and pieces and wanted to call for help but wasn't entirely honest because he was afraid. A tragic alcohol induced accident with a bit of misleading the police when it was already too late.
I agree 💯
I think it's likely right. Plus I'm known for acting like an idiot, cleaning up and reorganize important things and more. I wake up and don't remember anything. I think I have been in bed the whole time. But it's been on things like Xanax for myself
Danelle, I don't know how it's possible, but you just keep getting better and better and more and more beautiful! Thank you for your insight and sensitivity!
Funny how John and his friend were frantically looking for his friend. John knew exactly what happened.
We have really weird rescue laws in Texas. If you cause peril, you must help. If you begin to help, you must continue to help. I’m glad you addressed these problems and the inconsistencies/confusions between the states. I agree that just calling 911 should be the duty.
I agree! I had to take classes on the “Duty toHelp”act in my state and it was a 9 week complicated course! Who’s liable for what etc .It all came down to legalities and liabilities. I was one of the older students in my class and I asked “What happened to common sense and doing the right thing?” Unfortunately my answer was that there are many things to consider before doing the right thing. I hope we get National Duties to Act laws passed based on doing the right thing and not holding those liable who just want to help.
Yeah, its not exactly the same situation, but I knew a guy who pulled a girl out of a burning car, then called and ambulance. The girls parents sued him for the $100 cost for the ambulance, because he was the one to call it. They won. He not only saved their daughters life, but still has the massive scars from the 3rd degree burns, and they sued him.
@@bloodyneptune wow that's so crazy and wrong hugs to your friend for being so amazing and putting himself at risk to save her sad instead of thank-you he got sued
@@bloodyneptune 😢 what wickedness
@@bloodyneptune That’s crazy and not fair in any way whatsoever. So, this is a perfect example of why people won’t help!
@@bloodyneptune that's disgusting behavior on the parents' part! Nothing will make me understand why people go after their rescuers like that, except greed.
The Grand River runs through my hometown in Jackson and it’s a very dangerous river. Many people have died accidentally in there during the day without being drunk and with people around. It’s extremely sad, but I wouldn’t be surprised if this was an accident and he just didn’t want to be blamed for it (doubt it though)
I have to say it's quite sad and eerie the girlfriend's last message from Brandon was "RIP Brandon", even if it was a joke about his intoxication 😓
I actually had this really weird experience at a local lake. Two teens almost drown in front of a shore full of people and I started to run out there, as if to help, but I realized they’d drown me if I did.
It’s weird what happens to us when we see something impactful very unexpectedly.
The kids were also ok- but.. they really almost didn’t make it.
Edit to add- I carry an immense amount of guilt about this incident. They’re fine thankfully but I also didn’t call for help. I didn’t think I’d be the person who froze but I did. ‘Fight, flight and *freeze’*
This is kinda where my mind went with this but who knows
When you don't have proper training, the possibility that you drown too is huge. Tbf, I've seen at least one case where a person with training drowned anyway trying to help someone, so don't blame yourself for not wanting to commit to such a risk.
I'm glad the teenagers and you are fine!
Don’t carry guilt. Honestly without proper training, if you helped you may have made it worse where no one survived
Let that guilt go my friend. ❤️
Maybe John and Brandon fought and John pushed him by mistake or on purpose. And didn't help Brandon because he didn't want to. I can't understand why he didn't call the police and how you can go to sleep with knowing that something happened. Did the witness who saw the two person get to se a lineup with John in it? Who was John talking to in the video? To many unanswered questions. How can you close a case with so many unanswered questions. I feel so sorry for Brandon's family and friends loss. I hope they get answers somehow. RIP Brandon
i 100% think he pushed him. I think the 1st time he ran away it was a reaction to pushing him and knowing he just prob killed his friend/business partner and i think the 2nd time he came back was to make sure/see he went in the water.
20 minutes is not a long walk. We walk our dogs 1 to 2 hours most days depending on the weather. Being drunk might make it a longer seeming time however.
RIP Brandon 💖💖💖 Gone too soon. Sending my love and prayers to all his family and friends 🙏🙏🙏
Ughhh! I hate it so much when people just won't talk... like.. why? Unless you, personally, had something to do with the deceased's death, then you're fine, police just want answers to the questions they have. Just imagine that Brandon is your brother, son, friend, cousin, boyfriend, etc, wouldn't they want people to talk! Just makes me want to grab people and shake the stupid out of them! Just answer the damn questions, give this man's family some peace!!!
if you tell the police they always blame you for it i was a victim of a bad crime at worked police blamed me, dr. at e.r said it really happend i will never trust police they can legally lie to you .
@@Jeffrey13578 that is not what I was talking about here. I'm saying people who know something should speak up because if it was someone they cared about, they'd want others to say something.
Sorry that happened to you. Yeah, they can lie to you, it's an interrogation tactic. But, that's all it's supposed to be, tell you your gf or bf told told everything, they got DNA results back, they can tell you some shit to get you to confess or give up info. If you weren't lying, yourself, hiding something, or didn't do anything wrong, then you should have been all gravy.
But, again, that's not what I'm talking about here.
It's so wild that you can live minutes from things like this happening and never hear about them. I grew up in Lansing, I know these areas so well...it's so sad.
Same. I lived near Lansing for 30 years so all of my social media still informs me of everything going on locally there and I've never heard of this case.
I feel the same way I'm about 45 minutes away never heard of this case that's crazy
Yeah it's so weird
@@juliedgmom4491 same.
I used to live in Holt, MI which is near Lansing. I know that area very well. Also I'm a huge MSU fan.😝
I’m only half way through the video but am already so heartbroken for Brandon’s parents and siblings. I’m the mom of one child , a 19 year old son. So this his really close to home. I tell my son all the time to NEVER leave a friend anywhere or to never go off by himself. Brandon’s family will be in my thoughts and prayers.
Great work as always, Danelle.
What is most upsetting is all the different things being said by so many different people but no one is willing to help this family get to the truth. I can't imagine the heartache & torture this family goes through with every new rumor or statement made. Unless they get the answers they need this will haunt them all their lives. God bless this family I pray they get the answers they need and can peace. 🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻💙💙💙💙💙
R.I.H. BRANDON!! You'll always be remembered & loved. Fly high ANGEL!!!👼🏾💔💔🕊🕊🕊🕊🕊🌹
I like all the work you have done all this years spreading social awareness and knowledge, thanks Miss D.
I just want to say that these aren’t very good friends. If he was that sick and throwing up why would no one take him home? Or get an Uber or something??
It’s also shocking any bars continued to serve Brandon when he was SO obviously in a bad way. Really sad :/
Something is really suspicious abut John and this entire situation, If it were me and my friend i would prob be going into the river with them if they accidentally fell to try and stop it. I think John pushed him and as an immediate reaction to get away from the evil deed he just did, he ran away. I think him coming back the 2nd time was to make sure he went in the water and wasn't just on the hillside. He then left and went home to go to bed - who does that? He wanted to make sure he died that night. Just my opinion though, what do I know?
Going back is VERY suspicious. Why would you leave a friend that fell, and then what would lead you to go back to that spot in the morning? Definitely making sure he wasn’t there & there was no obvious evidence of the crime
NEVER leave a party alone. Men or women, the buddy system will literally save your life.
This makes me think of Kiely Rodin….her friends left her supposedly intoxicated and now she’s dead.
OK, but your HAIR is something else!!! Love it!!
2 many bars served them drunk they are liable. i think he fell in on his own very sad
I'm so glad you're covering this case! Hope you & the kiddos are doing well!♡
I’m from Lansing i would of never thought you’d do a case from here! Thank you for shining light onto all cases! Love you’re videos!❤️
I didn’t know this case but having lived in these areas, I could visualize everything. Brought it close to home.
As a non-American I wonder how safe you guys feel day to day. There seem to be sooo many murders, shootings and people going missing. The area where I live people leave doors and windows open all the time, walk alone at night...etc. I'd be terrified to live in the US!
this isn’t an America problem. most places have violence and murders and missing people. where do you live?
@@niaram oh I know that but most I see are US based.
@@Becksveggiepatch that’s bc most people don’t talk about the cases everywhere else :( Japan, Australia, and England have horrific cases as well
I get what you're saying. We used to fear visiting Mexico, now I'd be cautious visiting the US. I'd be terrified to be shot every second.
The US is a huge place. It takes 18 hours just to go from Virginia to Florida. Look at that on a map. It takes 4-5 days to drive from one coast to the other (and that’s without making a lot of stops). It has many really large cities. Lansing is a city. It’s not dangerous everywhere. There are a million towns where people leave their doors unlocked etc. I’ve lived in several big cities and you should be aware of your surroundings but you can live there safely. I’ve lived in other countries as well and have seen plenty of crime there too. Again, you have to remember, it’s a HUGE country. Don’t be afraid to visit you would be fine.
I’m leaning more towards john probably followed him with good intent but then the drunken argument took place and in a fit of rage john didn’t think and he pushed brandon down the bank but he started panicking when he heard the splash of brandon actually falling into a body of water knowing that brandon was most likely too drunk to swim and it was too dark down the bank to help him. So he ran back
Man how I am so happy those were his last words to his mom. I pray it brought/brings some comfort to her. God Bless!!!
I'm not sure what I think. It could have been an accident caused by someone else or it could be a drunken misstep. It's very sad, regardless. Never leave your friends, have a sober friend, and don't get so drunk you don't know what's happening around you. This was tragic & preventable. RIP Brandon. 💔🕊️
If we see an animal hit by a car or injured 98% of us will try to help it. I wonder what the percentage is when we see a human being that needs help? I hope its 99.99% but somehow doubt it. This is no different than if you see something say something.
Actions speak louder than words! John's involved 💯
She mentioned her husband, why did I think she was divorced?
I remember when this happened bc I'd just moved to Michigan and I'm quite certain that he possibly pushed Brandon bc if I remember correctly their business venture was not going well and Brandon wanted to break off the business partnership. This seemed deliberate than anything else. I've always believed that Brandon's business partner pushed him down. A lot was released initially than is is now.
There is a law is in effect here in Michigan now that we have to render aid / get help and you can be arrested for it but I am in Detroit not Lansing.
I’m sorry, at the very LEAST this should be a manslaughter case!!! “John” KNEW that Brandon went into the River that night, and knew he was going to die, whether it was intentional or not, he allowed him to die without doing anything to help!
I must be one of your oldest listeners then.. 42 years 😁✌🏼💕
I feel so bad for Brandon's family. Praying for ya'll. I still think even if it was an accident I believe John took advantage of it and purposely didn't get help. He saw him fall and went back to look but only called his friends. He could've sent them a ping. Instead of calling a taxi and going to that apt and falling asleep, he could've called police and potentially saved Brandon's life. It's so damn sad.
It's always awesome to see you posting and bringing awareness. 💗💕💚🦋
I hope the family gets justice and peace ☮️
This is just the most minute thing that I am thinking about this case right now because BOY do I have thoughts but what grown ass person needs to be told to put things back where they take them from?! My 6 yr old niece knows that! I haven’t quite finished the video yet but if ppl don’t get their asses sued imma be pissed!
My gut feeling is that John pushed him, but why would he do it while on a phone call? It just doesn’t make sense
This one seems quite obvious, sadly.
They both were drunk.
One fell into the river.
Another didn't react adequately and later felt guilty but also didn't want to be kept responsible.
This is crazy bc this is the second person in Lansing who I’ve heard has fallen into a river while drunk and passing. Brendan Santo, a visitor from GVSU just passed less than a year ago from drowning in the Red Cedar.
I love your Channel I watch it daily but as far as him making a call to potentially save him when you fall into water especially from a. 30ft drop so intoxicated that you are barely standing drowning will happen immediately. Even if he would of called 911 which he absolutely should have immediately I just don’t see there being a chance to save him just from the call. I do believe Jon was more involved then he stated could have possibly pushed him over in an effort to gain full control of the business.
Bruh the way you call a 20 min walk a long walk and questioned why they didn’t stop after 20 mins 😭 I walk 40 mins to work every day and 40 mins back. And that’s just a medium length walk to me.
Danelle when people are under the influence it's not that easy to convince them! Each person has to be responsible for themselves. Drunks get beligerent and it's extremely difficult to control them in anyway. Such a heartbreaking story!
We need some ways to have fun besides drinking until you act like an idiot. It's just crazy to think this is fun. When I was young, we went out to eat, played pranks, played guitars, had bonfires on the beach etc. Now it seems like that unless you are Christian, Mormon or Muslim, your idea of fun is going to bars and drinking. People need to learn to have fun in their normal state of consciousness.
something i thought about that i haven’t seen anyone else comment on was the purpose of “john” running to the intersection. i thought originally it made sense because he would be able to see the street signs when prior he was too far at the end of the road. but that doesn’t line up with him being unable to give his location. i don’t understand his actions after that unless he just wanted to get away for some reason. i feel like either way if it was intentional, he left that scene knowing brandon would be in imminent danger if he failed to assist him and those case needs to set precedence for an act that prevents these situations from happening. idk why john left but it must have been important enough to cost brandon’s life and that should never be the case.
I am so sad for Brandon and his whole family
"HAD A HABIT OF PASSING OUT DRUNK AT PARTIES" dear God that's me every bit. I feel so extra bad when it's a young person in their teens and twenties just out partying like everyone does
I remember this story. I feel there was a scuffle/argument and he fell down the hill, im not sure it was intentional but the scuffle caused it possibly.
Please cover the case of Andy Lopez. he was a 13yo who was shot by police in northern california while holding a toy gun in 2013. there was recently a documentary done on it called 3 seconds in October.
Unfortunately I can say, as a recovering alcoholic( sober 1 year) you can do SO MUCH black out drunk that you don’t remember at all. You can say things and do things that would make people think you aren’t that intoxicated. I don’t think his friend had malicious intent and did what he could.
Congratulations on your 1 year of sobriety!! I'm so proud of you! Especially with alcohol as it is legal & everywhere you turn! It's celebrated & boasted about. I've watched 2 ppl die of cirrhosis of the liver & it's the most devastating death you can imagine. And let's not talk about all of the alcohol related crimes/deaths that occur: dui, vehicular homicide, domestic violence, bar fights, drownings, alcohol poisoning, binge drinking, etc etc. Ppl place such a stigma on drug addicts yet Alcohol is so deadly in so many ways but it's legal! The irresponsibility of that father to have open bars at every bar in town is a disgrace! I'm sorry I just went off on a tangent! My point is I want you to know that I know it has to be incredibly challenging for you when alcohol is literally everywhere & accepted! Take care & I wish you well 💓💯
@@mygirlwendy1850 you are so sweet! Thank you so much ❤️ I’m so sorry for your losses. Addiction is powerful and all consuming and it’s not only the addict who suffers.
This case gives me Lauren Agee vibes
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There's a lot of if's and buts. This could also happen even if he had his close friends. What I believe is live in the moment. I resigned this week to start my own business. My brother said I will never make it and my answer was that I don't want to die knowing I never tried. Same here. It are suspicious the way he died. I think his business partner could have pushed him in the water and Brendan was to intoxicated to get himself out. But that is still an If and a but situation.
U got remarried??
Ok, as I listen to this case, I always try to keep an open mind. I personally think it's a possibility that he didn't just fall over the edge. Maybe he was pushed, hence why "John" was seen running off. He was aware enough to call for help from friends, call a taxi, then tell the taxi where to go, doesn't add up. But yet can't remember other details like where he heard the him falling on the ground. I understand that anything is possible, we never really know what people will do while intoxicated. I myself have a past experience while being intoxicated, and still to this day I don't really know what happened to me that night. And I don't remember anything. That was 32 years ago. Since then I have made damn sure I don't get drunk. I have 1 or 2 drinks that's it. I don't trust people anymore. It changed me. I'm sorry this happened to you Brandon.
Nah you can black out and still function or "do all those things"
You also have watchers who are in their 60’s 😁
me 66
Right on! Seeing a generational spread really shows how important this channel is. And also gives such an interesting perspective. I am 31, and always read the comments to see what people are thinking and feeling when they watch these videos.
Why would he need to run to the nearby intersection to call for help if he already had the phone to his ear? That run doesn't look like a fear run. It looks like a guilty run. Was there a punch? Was that the thud on the ground? Wouldn't you be p*ssed if your ride decided to walk off?On a LONG walk?
john pushed him idk
it’s obvious he was murdered. So sad
Not directly. It happened by failure to call for emergency assistance. I don’t believe it’s premeditated.
@@MrsK976 They had issues. It's possible.
Side comment ; danelle hair is looking so good .
What a heart breaking story , Brandon sounds like he was such an amazing person , sending peace and love to his family🌷
His poor parents 😭💔 May they find peace from this awful tragedy
Guilty people change their story. The friend was clearly not drunk.
I have two adult boys and still worry about them. This is such a sad story.
Danelle, have you heard about the escaped inmate in Lauderdale County, AL? The Assistant Director who was transporting him is still missing! Super scary case as the inmate was in for capital murder changes. 😞
My heart feels like his business partner got away with.....something that will haunt him for the rest of his life 🥺
I truly hope he does feel guilt/remorse and not the complete opposite of harming someone else because he was able to get away with it once already.
What could John have done to Brandon in a total of 11 sec and then another 17 seem hard to believe that John could have done anything in that amount of time seem like it would have taken longer to walk to the river than 11 sec
Idk I feel like you’re not putting your mind set of a drunk person and kinda just going against John. I feel like you make it seem some of his action don’t make sense…but they kinda happens when you’re drunk . And mind you he was probably still drunk the next morning when he tried looking for him so he was still maybe not explaining well etc