One of the BIGGEST, BADDEST Speakers I've Ever Created!
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 7 พ.ย. 2023
- Introducing The Bully: gr-research.com/product/old-s...
The Brute’s “big brother” is even bigger, badder and he’s not holding back!
The Bully brings both high efficiency and 12″ servo subwoofers to the fight, offering detailed and impactful bass with extension flat to 20Hz
This make them easy to drive even with low-powered tube amplifiers, plus the Subwoofer’s PEQ function and extension filters give you full control over the bass response. - ภาพยนตร์และแอนิเมชัน
Stay tuned for the final release in Danny's vintage monster series, The Chiropractor ;)
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@arthurwatts1680 after "The Godfather"
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Or keeping with the “B” name convention, the bonecruncher.
I just heard that sound of the ball leaving the park.
Knocked out of the park as the speaker shits itself and anyone with a modicum of ability to hear the frequency response and directivity issues will be vomiting.
@@psyborg06😂😂😂 tbh I like this idea, a box with powered sub and rest of the freq range is passive...kinda what you want, but I'm so sure their implementation will chop your ears off 😂
Man these are so cool, especially with the adjustment of the bass. Incredible work!
Another amazing example of how great GR speakers are. Talk about stepping up, Danny has gone above and beyond!! Just in time for Christmas!
Thanks for the video, love following GR and Danny. Cheers!
Love the update, thx Danny. This is what I’ve been waiting for…!
Very smart interface with relation to amp connection also , sounds very easy to integrate
Awesome!!!!!
Compelling option.
I've been loving my GR DIY 24 strand speaker cable - I soldered Cardas spades on mine 😎
Great job Danny. These are on my short list...
Looks nice, I love big speakers with big drivers. I love powered subs too.
They just sound more dynamic.
Looks really great
This is a neat product.
Amazing speakers 🎉🎉
Those look like a lot of fun, a modern take on the old school party speakers of the 80s/90s from Jenson, etc.
If I was to build a proper FR speaker this is exactly how I would do it, nice work Dan 👍
very clever idea, i need this.
Proud papa !
Very interesting speaker
super nice
i have and love the Brutes. Sold other more expensive speakers so the brutes were center stage.. now I have to save money and buy the Bullies and I will have them fully built by GR and veneered like my Brutes. Danny stuff is worth twice the price
I have some old Gale 4i and I support the box inside with wooden pole between the walls to make it more stable, then drill a hole in the magnet pole in the tweeters (Vifa 1 inch) with camber in the back. And the the speakers sounds so much better. They sound so much more relaxing and more focused. But I wish upgrade the filter.
No replacement for displacement..glad big brawny speakers are making a come back...
I'm definitely interested.
I'm sure while designing the speaker, you've looked at it Every Which Way... Wondering what your thought process is while building that speaker enclosure. Wonder if you considered mounting the subwoofer sideways allowing a narrower baffle with less diffraction, add a little bit more friendly to the wifester 😂.
I'm sure it's an amazing loudspeaker, it's just so BIG. As you mentioned.
It kind of reminded me of my original Definitive BP 2000s I had purchased many years ago. Those were fun speakers!
MtM or WtW seem to get a bad rap, I've always liked them myself and I'm excited to see you utilizing that in your loudspeaker line-up.
Love your solution
Big speaker coming soon, tell ‘em Danny
Sweet!
Beard looks nice.
Really nice speakers! It's cool to see your enthusiasm over them. Question: Is there a reason the woofer is as far away from the other drivers as it is? Also, how many octaves is it covering? Will grilles be available? I'll bet that sounds nice though. I've never heard a servo sub.
Center to center spacing is fine for drivers crossing this low. For a perfect blend the dial on the servo crossover is at 80Hz. Acoustically they are crossing above the range. There are no grill options right now. Servo control is a must hear.
@@dannyrichie9743 Thx! 80Hz is low, and explained the spacing. So it's sort of like having stereo subwoofers! Your mid-bass drivers in parallel must be kicking nice and tight. Really nice build. I recently hooked up a vintage pair of Energy 6th order passive bandpass subs which roll off around 100 but are audible into the 200 Hz range, while reaching into the mid 20's on the low end. 40 year old speakers likely won't compete with the woofer you've got, but I was pleasantly surprised how much more musicality it added to a full range set of 8" 2 ways, (which go down in the mid 30's, but adding the stereo subs is different than an LFE or a DVC sub. I liked your idea of using your new big speakers in home theater, they'd be phenomenal at that.
Now I just want to see subs merged with your other speakers. NX-Studio + OB sub?
Looks like a fantastic speaker.
On crossover design, do you ever use a zobel network on mid-bass speakers to remove the effect of the speakers inductance on the crossover filter?
Sometimes.
EGAD!! You've done it Dr. Frankenstein!! - meant in a good way!
* Richenstein *
As an engineer and avid speaker/amplifier DIY-er, this is just right. The concept, technology and price is spot on. The boutique over-hyped and overpriced wide baffled speakers out there (Harbeth, Spendor, Audio Note etc.) are no way better than this, it's all about engineering, not magic. So go out and build a pair. BTW I am not affiliated with GR.
Would love to have a pair of those, being old(they tell me) but definitely old school I love idea of a large old style box that could make music like those will!
Danny Question; Would a material like "nova suede" or Alcântara type, (or something similar) on the front face of the baffle help reduce the reflections?
We tried some felt and foam, but the actual change in response was minimal. The slight tow out made the biggest difference.
Nice Danny😊
May I suggest to add another 12" on top🙊 so one can have identical spekaers all around, center fliped horisontaly. Would make for an awsome theather setup🤘🤘🤘
Wait for the beast. I doubt as "an old school" speaker, you would see a d'appolito woofer configuration. Plus it would be huge setting in a horizontal. My wonderment was to the great idea of the isolated MTM. The larger MTM to be used in the beast could be a great center/theater solution.
@@terryreese663
Yes, it would be big, but I have a big room and a big screen, so it would fit nicly🤪
But, truth be told, I' probably be better off buying a new screen, an acousticaly transparent onw, and putting LCR behind it with front wides (thar would be the stereolistening pair). I also suspect that having 9 of these in the bedlayer of the cinema, would be more than enough bass🙊
Sounds like the beast will be a feast 🤪
@@andreemilsen369 JTR?
@@terryreese663
Sure would be nice🤪
Double 15" towers, all the way (sealed variants), 4 doble 18" subs, and 4 of the 10" atmos speakers🙊
Might need an even bigger room though🤪
RBH, also has some monster speakers😊
(All I really need though, is 2 subs that digg a bit deeper than what I have, and some atmoschanels for mounting on the roof, done. Need and want, not always the same🙊)
My idea was using an 18" passive radiator with the 12" woofer, but Danny informed me the servo sub don't need no PR. 😮💨 I wanted to see something that emulates the old RSL Titan or Nevada speakers from the 1980's!
Nice...
Looks like my av3’s with my servo sub all in 1 speaker what do they weigh 200lbs very cool
I just wish there was a way to hear all of these speakers...I am so tempted, but it's still a lot of money to be uncertain of the outcome.
Make a road trip to Texas.
* YEE-HAW ! *@@dannyrichie9743
Hi Danny!
I have a suggestion, that will surprice and delight quite a big part of the diy community. Make a speaker with horn/pro drivers in the midrange and tweeter aria. Without the normal horn coloring and distorsion and dispersion issues. Maybe with metal hifi tweeters in a horn on top. And not for heavy metal, but jazz and folk and classical music. With the horns dynamic and "live" properties. Midrange from 5-600 Hz and up. And preferably as dipole/open back. There are many good affordable midrange drivers these days.
Mofi 8" and 10" killers...
Best regards, HelgeH, Denmark
We already surpass speakers like that with our current offerings.
@bowmandk1 You are a true visionary. The future for audiophiles will be the result of designing loudspeakers using horn -loaded drivers in ways to overcome the beaming that is characteristic of dynamic ( point source) drivers. Note that the horns will NOT be pointed directly towards the listener, but aimed up or down to produce a larger sound field.
@@BowmanDk1 It's no coincidence that music recorded live in a small venue ( like a jazz quartet in a club) can sound more realistic in a typical sized listening room. Might also correlate preferences in recorded music with ability of a sound system to closely reproduce that environment.
Danny! Do we need to do anything special to use a trio of Bullies across the front stage of a home theater (LCR behind an acoustically transparent screen). Do we use all matching baffles, or mirror image the L and R sides...then what about the center Bully?
I would just use the Bully on the left and right and a X-CS Bravo or X-CS Encore center.
Yes having a powered servo subwoofer in that speaker is bonkers cool.
Nice one Danny, you got; "The Brute" & "The Bully" whats next in the line up?
thinkin maybe; "The Thug"'or "The Enforcer"
The next one is The Beast. It adds a second 12" servo sub and uses 6.5" drivers for the MTM configuration.
No...the next one is going to be called 'Payback" For being bullied! ;-)
@@xsamitt I stand corrected!
Having the subs in the same place as your left and right can cause issues. I have matching 550p subs underneath my JBL Studio 580's, and it does not work at all. I knew this would be the case, but I wanted a pair of these subs for other reasons. They're unplugged and just being used as stands right now. If you have 2 subs, you kind of want them in non-symmetrical places. I suppose you could put these towers in a room, but just not centered in the room. Also, does it have the ability to mix in LFE from an RCA jack?
Servo subs are different. Place the speakers where they best image in the room and you can use the controls on the subs to make them do anything you want.
PEQ on the sub is indeed a great addition. Need a decent way to measure the modes, but still great.
Is this something like a upgraded cervin vega/infinity studio monitors? Can you make them with 15" woofer or is it better to comply with subbs😊?
These are really not like anything on the market. Nothing does what these can do. I would never consider making the woofer larger or heavier. It would do nothing but increase settling times and cause less control.
What about putting the Brute’s woofer with the MTM?
The sensitivity of that woofer is not high enough. Plus, we already have the Brute with a passive lower woofer.
Hey Danny! Nice speaker indeed. And I dont mean anything bad about it, just again wondering, why the top end is rolled off? Did you choose such tweeter becouse of its character? I still wouldnt care much, becouse Iam old enough to dont hear such sound maybe above 15kHz.
That is not much of a drop and it is all above 15kHz. If it were not playing almost wide open to hit that output level I could adjust it to flatten it out. It is what it is, and it is still really good.
@@dannyrichie9743I will give you more ammunition Danny which is to say that Audyssey MultEQ XT32 let's you select between high frequency rolloff curve 1 and curve 2 and those might be similar
Cool
Can you talk about using multiple woofers for the midrange? Seems most high end speakers use a single woofer for mids...is there a benefit to multiple woofers? Thanks.
These are not just midrange drivers. They play down to a crossover over point in the low 100's. So they are covering mid-bass as well. Using multiples allows for faster settling times and higher sensitivity. So it sounds cleaner and more dynamic.
WOW, Danny. What a shame I can't order the Bully kit from Australia. Do you have an alternative Bass driver/amp that would work with 240 volts?
The amps to have a 240 volt setting.
@@dannyrichie9743From your website: "Due to the amps incompatibilities with 220-240V power, this kit is only available for customers in the US & Canada."
@@MS-pw8yu Yes, Rythmik Audio asked me to post that. If there are issues with the use of the 240 volt systems (that might include any transformer hum), by the time Rythmik has to handle return shipping to the overseas customer, they loose money. It is just not worth it to them if they have to service them. Shipping is just too high. However, if the customer is willing to cover shipping both ways if there is any issue with them, we will send them out to them.
Is that your new Loudspeaker kit? Bully Bully do you know what famous person stated that! He was part of the rough riders in the early 1900’s…. He was a great man!
Theodore Roosevelt
I really like the design but I would like to see servo sub - sat set up like the Infinity Modulus was with the stand alone servo subs which let's you to place where ever it sounds best.
We have that too.
Just buy an extra sub???
@@Error2username a dedicated well designed optimalized servo sub-sat combo can be another level compared to "just buy a sub" to your existing "whatewer" satellite speakers. You can disagree I don't care
Let hear it
Is the sub amp made in America with good quality parts ?🤔
Made by Rythmic Audio.
Sometimes you just need a BBW Big Beautiful Woofer.
When will you release the graphs on performance?
They are on the website.
Hey Danny what do you recommend for Floor standings speakers that are somewhat flat and response good to Techno music?
These Bully's will do it.
Danny, do both speakers have individual sub amps? Or one sub amp for both?
There is an amp in each speaker.
I was hoping to see the sides of the box. Is it wood finish?
You can order them fully veneered.
I've found the holy grail 🎉🎉🎉🎉
hi Danny and Hobbs. will these take more amp power than TYLER’S T2’s?
They have good power handling, but at 94.5db sensitivity you won't need a lot of power.
Can you use the center speaker as main left and right speaker for those who don't have the room for Bully speaker?
Yes you can. You can see them in our X Series models.
@@dannyrichie9743can you provide the link to the center speaker? I can't find it on your site
@@kennethz4466 See X Series models: gr-research.com/x-series-3/
Is that overlaping of high and mid, that half of inch realy make diference in listening in my room at home?
Yes.
Do you keep the mtm on the inside or the outside like the way you have them?
They go to the inside.
@@dannyrichie9743 ok thanks 👍 very cool speakers congrats
99lb for a speaker incorporating a 12 inch servo sub plus amp, doesn’t strike me as being very substantial. A good, mid sized, stand alone sub would easily come close to that, plus give you the added bonus of more flexible placement.
when will you offer a 220-240v version?
The amps do have a switch for 220 to 240 volts.
The measurements on these are insanity.
I have a question. You talk about tube connectors, good wire, etc., but what about the other end where the connectors go into the amp? Aren't we at the mercy of the amp builder to give us good quality banana outlets? If you have lousy connectors at the amp end, won't that kind of cancel out the quality work you've done at the speaker end? Just a thought....
If there is a good set of binding posts to connect to then some pure Copper spades are the best way to go.
It gets even more interesting, when you see what goes on between the emitters/sources of output transistors and said terminals...
I feel like hobbies go in cycles which means we'll see younger zoomers move towards car modification, audio, skateboarding, BMX biking, and all the old school stuff spending less time on gaming / media consumption / etc.
I'd love to place these in my bonus room that the X-LS Encores currently fill, completely and beautifully.
Compared to klipsch Cornwall ? 😊
Ha, ha, ha, that is not a comparison.
I have been looking at Troels Gravesen for a long time and what holds me back is the shipping costs. This looks as good and it appears the price is a real bargain.
I have been looking at Troels Gravesen forever too. Have a scanspeak bookshelf that's amazing. I can't imagine what his larger kits sound like.
@@theoracleprodigyIndeed, a simple paper cone from Vidaebek is hard to beat, love their ring tweeter as well.
Is there a grill option?
Not right now.
crazy question, how much?
$2600-2700
What brand tweeter, mid and woofer are you using? it doesnt seem listed anywhere? As a guy who focuses on parts quality not sure why this was omitted ?
Those are our drivers and as per my design. They are top notch and I am very proud of them. You can see all of them on our website.
@@dannyrichie9743 Who manufactures them? I am assuming they are made out of house ?
@@Smood47 They are made in India.
@@dannyrichie9743 Name of company ?
Hi Danny. I hear your objections to posting video/audio of speakers in operation.
That said there are plenty of YT channels that audition speakers and the results are clearly audible despite YT audio compression.
Interconnects and speaker cables are clearly audible, enough so that preferences can be reliably discerned.
I get it that fine nuances/imaging/sound staging/layering etc may not be fully conveyed but decent AV recordings can very usefully convey the overall nature/vibe of the DUT.
Please reconsider your stance and post some demos of your new hallmark speakers, it surely won't harm your brand.
Cheers from Downunder.
We are working on it.
@@dannyrichie9743 👍
Might I suggest an idea Danny?
Why don’t you offer these speakers and others with upgrades.
What I mean is to have a luxury model with the top notch drivers.
That would be our NX Series models.
Just to be correct...Kit Hardware: $2,675.00 with Subwoofer jumper, Flatpack: $900 Unfinished or $2100 Finished (Maple, Oak, etc), No Rez: 2 at $118 for a Total of: $3693 Unfinished cabinet, $4893 Finished cabinet.
That will do it.
Which one of GR's speakers might compare to ATCs?
They are comparable to our base level X Series kits.
Meaning $359 for an XLS Encore kit? @@dannyrichie9743
And are you sure the ported design is also "articulate" and supports a similarly clear and non fatiguing midrange? If so, I would only need a flat pack cabinet kit to go with the components?
@@carltoncotter2614 Some of the X Series models are ported, and some are sealed. Flat packs are available for all of them.
Servo controlled, is basically what nudell already did when i was just a glimmer in my dads eyes.
This seems super backwards to what danny always preaches regarding baffle /edge diffraction.
Those things will color the soundfield 100 percent (which personally) to me makes a soeaker unique in its sound signature.
But yah ...strange design choices,from someone that is so hell bend on "accuracy"
Offsetting the upper section helps with diffraction. By aiming the speakers straight forward, the diffractions go off to the side and away from the listener. These were designed specifically to look "old school" per public demand, not to minimize diffraction. Danny's other designs are narrow baffles or even open baffles.
What Arnie was using was an old accelerometer based system. It had no where near the control of what we are using today.
We were able to control and minimize the baffle effects on this one, and they turned out great with no coloration and a high level of accuracy.
Are you sure you just roll that Duratex on?
Yep, and I pat it with a handful of plastic bags.
@@dannyrichie9743 ahh…yes..I forgot about the plastic bag technique! that’s why they look so even.
use loudness at low volume ,it´s there for it,i don´t get how you critise this speakers badly ,not you type of sound maybe. it depends on the size of the room ,this are ok for larger rooms and they do release a great sound ,using tone controls and loudness or even a extra equalization ,this controls exist to be the better you want them to sound, in a studio i have since 1970 with upgrades till today ,i have equalizers from dbx and some altec lansing restored like the jbl´s and pioneer´s(twin 2401 exclusive series from Pioneer )done by the same engenier . this are great sensivety speakers,yes the bass is incredible that is the problem with some newer speakers ,also the room to play them, in the wider low frequency spectrum you listen the glass from old doors in furniture vibrate as hell ,those lower frequency´s one is supposed to do not hear
Small, medium, large those are very vague terms. Maybe some specifics
Dancehall pa,s 😅
I know its early days but does anyone know how these compare against passive 3 way ATCs?
Ha. ha, ha, bring them on.
Ha ha, I wish! I'm in AUS so not really doable. Heading to Canada next year so hopefully I can audition them at some point. Pretty excited to hear them! Cheers!
@@anthonyt6872 Right now New Record Day has a pair and will be doing a review early in January. So maybe that will help.
Thanks Danny! Much appreciated. @@dannyrichie9743
i am a bit confused regarding the lower woofer. How do you power the amps in each box? Do you run a power cord from each to the wall or??
No, it's an active sub powered by Wi-Fi, it comes with a PoWi-Fi router, that can additionaly fry your eggs, if you get close to it 😉
Yes, you run a power cord to each speaker. How else would that work? It's a subwoofer plate amp on the back.
I like this a lot and have been waiting for this video. I've always been fasinated by the Scanspeak Maxima, wich is essentially the same but in separate boxes.
For me, I'd love to see this configuration in separate boxes similar to small monitors with separate subs, so it's just a bit easier to place in the room. Looking forward for some reviews on these monsters! 😊
he went into detail re rca jacks. bro. @@raidendigital1003
I recall you had an inline line level filter. Versus passing off a full range signal to the upper portion and let the power wasting crossover burn amplifier power, why not use a custom in line filter to split the frequencies off?
It's likely that the passive high pass on the top speakers will not "burn power". If implemented correctly, it will present a high impedance to the amp at low frequencies, and therefore consume low power at those frequencies.
Passive filter don't burn off amplifier power. The reason these have an internal high pass filter is that they can be used with any amp. Inline filters have to be based on the input impedance of each amplifier they are used with.
@@dannyrichie9743 You and Grommet covered it perfectly.
Wouldn't it be better to have the bass/sub in a separate box to enable proper placement in one's room? What about reducing the baffle reflection of the midst and tweeter?
We have that too. In this case though you can place the speakers where they best image in the room and you can use the controls on the subs to make them do anything you want. Surprisingly the baffle size was not an issue. The asymmetrical driver placement went a long way.
Where can we listen to these babies?
Here at GR Research.
@@dannyrichie9743 it'd be awesome, but I live in Canada, very far from Texas. It would be cool if you could record sound clips for potential customers.
@@ericcote6403 We are working on that.
@@dannyrichie9743 Great! I'm looking forward to it. Thx
Take my money
Regions that use 240volt cannot use this speaker right??
That is incorrect. The servo amps can be used with those voltages.
@@dannyrichie9743 ok 👍
Do you have test results for these?
See the link in the description, scroll to the bottom to see the measurements.
They are on the product page in the description link.
So basically an MTM bookshelf integrated with a subwoofer.
LEFT AND RIGHT SUBS with no blending issues!
👍
Any full range speaker is some variation of “a bookshelf integrated with…”
@@mcgovernjimmy a full range speaker can still be augmented by a sub. Most bookshelf or stand mounts need a sub to offer full range frequency response!
@@howardskeivys4184 And your point is about something I didn't dispute... and then the unnecessary debate can be about "what is full range"...
Why don't you use paper cones in your drivers , I think they sound more natural
All of those woofers are paper cones.
Bully Baroo!!! Oh Bully Bully Bully Bully...
👍👍😎✌️🤟
How about those guns!
They've been loosing ammo lately. A torn muscle in my neck, that happened out on the track, has kept me out of the gym for the last two months.
Only for USA and Canada 😢
Yes, it’s sad. But a ac/ac converter like 220vac to 110vac is an option, but to some extra cost. Would have been nice with a DC input choice on the amp so it would work all over the world.
Uninteresting for Europa too. Overprized. Plus freight plus Tax.!! $$$$$$
The amps can run on 120 or 230 volts. However, Rythmik does not guarantee them be dead quiet on the 230 volt setting (some are, some are not). Also, any warranty or repair work will require the customer to cover shipping both ways.
@@dannyrichie9743 Sad that Rythmik haven’t solved this. Commitment. Exports ain’t big enough, so why take a deeper look at this hummmm. So much for warranty from them. Sad. Definitely not a US company. BUT my 240 vac Rythmik plate A370peq works perfect and I’m happy.
@@thomasschafer7268 Well, if you want the Best like the Beast or Bully, then you got to pay. Same goes for Americans if the would like to buy the Mum 8 from PresentDayProduction. Sad both ways. I have experienced it. You can buy the CSS kits from a German company, but the are expensive.
Where's the measurements?
On our site. gr-research.com/product/old-school-bully-kit/
@@dannyrichie9743I did look at these measurements, but why are there no charts down to 20 Hz? Every one posted on the site (except impedance) stop at 200. Can you update please?
@@MS-pw8yu For me to measure accurately down to range below 200Hz requires the microphone to be further away. I can't do that using a gated time window measurement. If I get much beyond 52 inches I can't gate out the room reflections. It is easy to see in a room response or taking a nearfield measurement to see what is going on.
Baddest?
I wish you would play some music !!
We play music around here just about every day. Come by for a listen.
We are also working on some sound clips. We have a plan. So hang in there.
How muchy???
Check our website.
I have a 10" sub with a center sitting vertical on top at right surround that looks exactly like that. Lol
They amps don't support 240v 😫😫😫
Actually, they do.
@dannyrichie9743 in the description it say due to power issues they are limited to 120v so America and Canada only... if the amp can be run from. 240v I snap these up as we have 240v in Australia
@@guido0582 Well, they can. However, if there are any issues with the amps, Rythmik Audio will take care of the repair, but the customer will have to cover the shipping cost both ways.