CQB Isn’t What You Think It Is
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00:00 - Why CQB?
01:27 - CQB vs. Urban Warfare
02:43 - Different Applications of CQB
06:02 - Conventional Doctrine
07:32 - Immediate Entry Example
15:12 - Why it's not always the best
16:50 - Example
20:46 - Three Principles of CQB
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Top tier squad content !
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I'm using the information in this video to play Call of Duty 2 on Veteran right now. It's not just a Squad video.
I will gently touch it instead and you can't stop me.
Did you actually served in ROKMC?
Meanwhile your grandpa: "CQB?! We didn't invent flamethrowers just for fun you know."
The thing people almost always mix up about the three principles of CQB is that 'speed' doesn't just refer to going as fast as possible - it refers to you *controlling* the speed of the engagement, which means taking it as fast *or* as slow as you need it.
Absolutely - as well as maintaining momentum even if it’s slow.
Our trainers in my unit (witch specialises in urban warfare) will always repeat the same thing to us when we make a mistake in training. "slow is smooth, smooth is fast, fast is sexy". Meaning that taking your time to do things right and keeping a smooth flow is critical. From our perspective it seems slow, but when its smooth it seems fast and oppressive to the opponent.
As such going slow ensures we move smoothly from room to room witch seems fast to the opponent and spectators, and fast is sexy, as a spectator a slow team that goes smoothly seems fast and looks cool and "operator" like, to the enemy its scary how you just keep moving closer so quickly and they feel extremely oppressed.
Also sidenote, in my unit we do CQB in 3 man fireteams (as part of a squad obviously) because the fourth man is either redundant or gets in the way slowing us down while not providing any extra advantage. The fourth mans job is partially covered by the third guy and your fireteam is never alone so the rest is covered by another fireteam.
@@asdffdsa8648 That is very interesting! I had the same thought about the number four man and how a three-man team could suffice in a pinch while making this video. If you don't mind, when not conduct room clearing, does the three man team act more as a "fireteam" or "buddy team"?
A squad consists of 3 3man fireteams, roughly translated as point team, support team and lead team. lead has teh medic and a rifleman point has at and granedier as wella as a FTL rifleman and support has a mashinegun and a marksman as well ass a rifleman@@HaebyungDance
Interesting - are you Finnish? It sounds a lot like a Finnish Jaeger group except you have an AT and grenadier in place of one of the PKMs in the point team.
I love when I have teammates that listen so we can stack, pie and clear a room, I always let them know "I'll clear right, you clear left" for example, so much more fun than just everyone runs into room and died
I love these videos because I feel the lessons learned in them can be applied to other video games other than Squad.
Hope to see more good work
Thanks man!
That's why I keep a playlist that covers many games
as a new post scriptum player, this applies alot it feels like.
Real life military tactics DO work in games. The only problem is identifying and trimming the fat, aka the unnecessary parts, in order to make em work.
the vast majority of rooms/buildings in squad can be cleared with just grenades thrown through doorways/windows but squad players are allergic to throwing grenades for some reason. a rifleman with an ammo bag with someone covering them is more than enough to clear most buildings. every rifleman gets 11-13 grenades, so there's no excuse not to throw one in every room. your point about vehicles was also important, vehicle squads need to coordinate with infantry to identify buildings with enemies in, an autocannon or tank round is much more efficient than infantry. audio cues are also very important, if you can tell the difference between the sound enemies make when wounded vs when they die, you'll have some information about what effect your grenades had on them. if an enemy is wounded and you have time, wait for them to start bandaging or bleed out rather than pushing immediately after the grenade
I think you can't constantly utilise grenades to clear rooms. There could be civilians, and it may include hostages in some situations. So, it's not always the best option.
In Squad, neither of those are relevant in game. But in real life, yes those are very important considerations!
In door kickers i used "Simultaneous Pie Entry" aka 2, 3, 4, stand in a arc and all take a slice of pie as 1 man opens the door. Each person works a small slice but all work their slices simultaneously
Thank you for taking the time to put this tutorial on tactics together. It should be required viewing for any serious Squad player.
Gonna apply these tactics to Ready or Not
Quality content, once again! I also want to take a moment to acknowledge that your method of teaching, including tone of voice, choice of words, and use of brief moments of levity is very fun to watch. You treat your audience with respect, even coming from a position of higher knowledge than them, and it feels more instructional and engaging that way, rather than confrontational like some people's vids. Calm, straightforward, and respectful is definitely the way to go, and I appreciate you taking the effort to record and edit together these videos! Keep at it, you're making me want to join up with the 7th to play with y'all! :)
Wow thank you! Everything you described is what I aspire to in my videos and it’s so great hear you say that I at least partially achieve that!!
Thank god. Ive felt like the only sane man on the topic of room clearing for a while now. People like to call it simultaneous entry but you can clearly see as plain as day that it isnt. Pulling a trigger takes probably 1/10th of a second. Where is the common sense?
To expand on your point why dont the 1 and 2 man actually enter the room simultaneously, say by being chest to chest with each other, rifles over each others shoulder. Then maybe the 1 wont get shot in the back of the head immediately if he picks the wrong corner. Or why not shoot through the fucking wall at the deadspace? Especially in squad since you effectively have infinite ammo.
Yeah it’s definitely not simultaneous - and this isn’t even going into the potential of defenders saturating the doorway with indiscriminate fire from multiple angles.
A big problem with tight spaces like this too is weapon handling mechanics. It’s just not worth getting tangled up with teammates or having your weapon folded and unable to fire because you accidental collided with another object.
A lesson from Ukraine footage and ww2 docs, and an extension to one of the points in this video: If you have the ammo, don't be afraid to throw more than one grenade before entry, especially if you don't have surprise.
For example if the No. 1 man in a delayed entry gets engaged while pieing and has to fall back, flooding the room with grenades may wound him, suppress him or make him change position. Additionally, sequential grenades in a room will force the enemies within it to try and take cover, and they will not know exactly which grenade your team will follow behind, potentially regaining local surprise.
Suppression is key in this game since ico, and grenades also provide that.
Another thing i just thought of is a cqb tactic that's impossible in squad but happens fairly often in Ukraine footage and can be used in games like tarkov: convince the enemy within the room to come out and surrender to you.
Really great points!!
Even though I already know all of this, I couldn't stop watching thanks to your easy to follow explanations and high attention to detail. Hats off to another great video mate
Appreciate it man - I aim to please!
@@HaebyungDance One small thing you could've expanded upon is that if you're doing a delayed entry with a buddy, it's better if the second man slices the room while the pointman holds direct security of the doorway. It's safer since the second man will be clear of the pointman's line of fire and the pointman will be ready to shoot any threats that peak from the unseen near corners while the second man clears the far corners and centre of the room. Otherwise, great video
@@axEL-vn8uq That's really great technical feedback thank you
@@HaebyungDance No problemo
your videos are always a go-to. the way you slice the information makes it so easy transfer these principle somewhere else. Definitely not the same games, but applying defilade from your other video has helped me in Battlebit and Battlefield so much. Somehow it makes me feel more immersed in my games too, cause now I'm looking at all the elevation and places I could hide that I would have never considered. I'm sure this video's gonna help a bunch too
Yeah dude it’s really the thinking process that enriches the experience!
YES! You are doing wonders for the squad community, keep it up
Couldn’t do it without you all to support and share! Thank YOU!
Baller Video as always, I'd love to see some collaborative content between you and Col. Kernel as both of you guys are trying to move the community in the same direction.
I would be very open to that
Now i see why IVAS is so important.
Great addition for the Squad community and as an individual who has read various manuals for fun and has applied the tactics and attempted to lead in such a professional manner. Fantastic!
I firmly believe this is a great start for anyone who wants to experience this sort of gaming simulation. Squad is certainly a team orientated game and I have experienced many who play as if it's the traditional person shooter. This is a game of teamwork, coordination and patience.
If you are really wanting to dive deep into the game. Start by opting for a support role. I.e. Logi runs, medic, reserve push, shovel operator and posting as security. As the game evolves and after many more games. you will certainly have an idea of the flow of it.
Also, let your Squad Leader know you are new and you're willing to learn the fundamentals. (you'll get the good and bad leaders but stay positive).
I hope that all that read this and watches this video, keeps to the game!!! because as crazy as it does get, there is no revive in the real world
i have been interested in CQB and military tactics for some time now and somehow once again you have recapped almost everything i know and some more. huge kudos for the thorough research
Appreciate it! Thanks for watching
Great expaination, thank you!
5:25 in my experience, the tank crew is too busy getting killed at the edge of the map not helping at all
The unfortunate reality of Squad that actually mirrors some historical cases as well!
My first touch to cqb was about a decade ago in army where we trained these same room clearing tactics one full day on a training grounds constructed out of wooden box houses etc. After the day one of our guys ask about the IFV's we used to normally roll with how they could be used in this kind of scenario and the instructor said that in real situation like this they would blow the hell out of those houses if the artillery isn't available and after that if necessary we might put troops inside what is left of it. And that is the tactic I highly recommend to use in squad as well, IFV shooting couple HE rounds thru that window or door opening will be much more effective than sacrificing a full squad into it.
one of your best yet.
Thanks Moni!
Good content, 필승!
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A really great game to learn about CQB and MOUT is Six Days in Fallujah
Awesome game!
Great video. Spot on
Counterpoint: Grenades.
Already ahead of you
@@HaebyungDance :D yay!!
Exaplanations at 15:00 16:00 and so on are just great. Cool video that even "implicitly" explains briefly the history of tactics on CQB topic.
The video in terms of vocabulary too is really COMPLETE.
Thank you - also thank you for the great technical feedback in your other comment. I found it very valuable.
"dealing with civilians"
Tang dynasty be like:
i cannot count on my hands and feet how many times ive seen someone get shot entering a room, a call out saying 'enemy in room' followed by like the entire team filing in one by one and getting gunned down. All the while, im like use nades. If im a riflemen, ill spam nades in, or a grenadier i usually fire a couple 40mm's 1st.
Really good video. I like the informative presentation. The only thing I would say is that it just barely scratches the surface of CQB tactics and doctrine. A pt2 might be nice establishing some more simple tactics such as cross coverage (as commonly used in hallways), use of security, bringing the idea that you don’t always need to attack the threshold and simply holding the angle can be beneficial, although it all depends on the flow of the firefight. The other thing I wish you went more in depth on is threshold assessment. Barrel telegraphing, panning(as opposed to pieing), and other out-of-the-box tactics such as alternative entry and how to back out. Not all cqb ops go well, but that doesn’t mean you have to die. I think exploring MOUT more would be and excellent discussion diving into things like building approach, avenues of assault, angles of attack, gaining fire superiority over open and linear danger areas.
All and all an amazing video that provides great excellent insights into those less fortunate to have such prior knowledge. All I can say is, if I had to change anything about it, I would emphasize security a lot more. XX
Thanks for the great comment! I absolutely agree with what you say and hope to release future videos that cover that stuff. The challenge is always 1. Video length 2. Making things digestible. But again, we can cover all those things eventually.
I remember listening to SSG David Bellavia the only living OIF Medal of Honor recipient say we were told by the reporter “the enemy they read your books they know how you like to enter rooms be creative expect reinforced bunkers entire ceilings missing and doors barricaded so you have to come from the roof and fall 10-20 feet onto steel rods above the ceiling a static pkm and a murder hole tunnels think of it they have it” and the veterans of fallujah rewrote the handbooks the mahdi militia read and made MOUT
His book is great btw
Me with a full ammo bag: throw 5 grenades in one room
How would you handle the inverse? So, resisting a breach from a team.
Future topic 👀
Honestly that’s an interesting thought since most videos are about doing the clearing and not being on the receiving end
On the top if my head, I think holding a interior defense is better against infantry since heavy weapons and vehicles can't get to you. I think a fluid and mobile defense is also best due to how many choke points you can just fall back to when pressured.
One game I played our whole team was trying to clear a bunker that had one enemy dug in. He kept slaightering 1v50 by just being in a position that bounced back grenades and you could not enter without getting fucked. That was the strangest thing I ever witnessed
@@MrMango331 Lol would love to see footage of that!
Really informative love your content I see alot of people say well jus throw Grenades well in games you can but in reality that's quite dangerous cause you don't know who's in the rooms could be civilians or your own team hell saw a vid on TH-cam were foreign legion troops an ukrainians troops surround a house with russian troops an even tho you don't see what's going on inside the building you can tell it got chaotic real quick only when the guys outside ask if anyone was on the side where the Russians we're at if there was any of there guys in that room when given the information when none of there guys was in the room is when they shoot through the window and throw a Grenade into the room from the outside but man that shit is scary on all types of levels
Really loving these videos, informative and to the point but I'm not a fan of the music in the background especially with how loud it is at the start.
Thanks for the feedback!
@@HaebyungDance 😁 thanks for reading comments! Do whatever you feel is best man it’s your channel I’m loving this regardless
Lil doubt i have: Would this work in more fast paced games or with more movement? I come from the CoDM enviroment and it is always adviced to use movement in anything you do, even sniping.
This is not applicable to games like CoD or Apex.
@@HaebyungDance I guessed so
How about using those windows?
GREAT question I was waiting for someone to ask. Obviously in this video I ignored them - but windows can be a great tool to project fires into a house.
Fires... overthinking
Just gotta drop that floating barrel so that attackers can't slice the pie and shoot at the same time :)
slow is slow, smooth is smooth and fast is fast. do what you need to do when you need to do it. or youre dead.
I guess we’ve cycled around to that now
I would fuckin LOVE to have an SL that actually leads with this stuff, instead of the ww1 shit they always end up doing.
1. Being fast as fuck, boi
2. Popping out of the toilet
3. Having a lot of fun， smashing
These are techniques for real life combat. In gaming, techniques like ‘breaking the camera’ are effective because of information transport time over network or ‘ping’ will give speed advantages to the initiator. In Codm for instance, ( a very fast paced game) a slide in with 360*rotating, with or without a wall bounce or wall slide cancel would be more effective speed wise, because you are travelling at full speed, thus you beat the opponent by beating the info transport time over network for him to respond. With a shotgun for instance, using the above technique, you could kill both corner enemies in 120 millisecond, with good ping which is probably fast enough so even if both enemies had shotguns they can not respond in time and there’s no way of an enemy responding with say an AR because it takes bullets to break your vest and bullets to kill you. Way too slow. 2000 milli secs? Also in gaming more risk can easily be taken because your real life is not on the line. I would suggest looking into gaming techniques rather than real life techniques to get better at gaming and maybe CQB techniques if you’re a soldier.
This is for a specific game called Squad, which these tactics are absolutely applicable to. This doesn’t apply to games like CODM.
@@HaebyungDance hey dude…well I can’t say I Haven’t learnt some cool stuff on your channel, very informative. With respect, I was talking about all games connected to a network. I’ll check out your game on TH-cam, as it’s one I haven’t played yet. 😎
Btw. Great channel😎
Sorry wasn’t trying to be rude. But thanks I appreciate it - Squad is a very different game, but lmk if you ever try it.
grenade + prefire
5:27 what is the background music pls?
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Wondering how you would play this thing in Ghost Recon Wildlands (FPP mod, also no detection silly ubisoft sound mod) and yeah.. considering all the issues of this game like AI ambotting and knowing where you are .. etc. Considering u have bangers that do not work if they are not directly "seen" by their intended targets when exploding. You would need to mount maybe those 2 mods, remove the HUD as I play it and suggest but I think you can do it also without doing anything like that.
Maybe again delayed approach and defeat in detail aim is the best. It's not always easy to find the way to take it in a realistic way despite I always seek to do it in an authentic way (I am talking of really 90% of games and I play a wide variety)... the coolest way to play GRW I found is the one by Vibing Dusty (some videos) ... hard to also manage that vocabulary so fluently not being of americas continents origin... etc. Gaming is missing people that share videos about how to make immersive the experience what settings, what adjustment to have to set it or simply show it directly. It's not true that just a few games allow it.. some need forced adaptation and pretending some mechanics aren't there but for me any game cna be made BETTER. Even Far Cry 5 would be amazing played in the duo (limited by the game) co-op ... no fast travel,. no HUD etc. Extraction to safe house before leaving a session etc.
Unfortunately it's hard to find cool players around that seek adventure story and also tactical realism, develop a strategy and like to basically do implicit roleplay (no need to act with your voice besiudes using realistic comms jargon etc).
I’ve never played any of the Ghost Recon games. Maybe I should? Have you played Squad at all?
Not yet but it's my type of game. Got so much stuff I need to play before getting into more multiplayer.
Not really, you should not. Only if you are interested in story and can create immersion but the game has some issues... and it's not good enough without proper team mates. but if u play GRW with hyper realistic mindset sharing team mates you gonna have a good campaign experience...
You can watch videos made by FIST (4 years ago) or better the few from Vibing dusty, I prefer the latter as it's more serious... more cinematographic but also realistic hardcore...
@@HaebyungDance
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I still do not understand why people in squad bother doing room clearing without throwing a grenade into the room first. If you have a grenade, you should use it and then clear because even if you do not kill anyone, you suppressed them.
In most games the grenades explosive power is nerfed, when on flat hard ground the fragments don’t bounce. Almost like they were in mud. Also most games have the same throwing mechanism, which means that if you are right behind your buddy the grande will fly out of your waist area almost always being blocked by the guy in front of you. People hate seeing the grenade bounce off a teammates back.
@@softwarenogood Yeah but this is squad grenades arent nerfed, they gome out of your face/hand, and they are blocked by teammates. Boohoo get better at the game and chuck grenades
You can't throw nades (frags) indoors, you won't see nothing for minutes and you will start fires. Those "ancient" tactics are not realistic.
if you throw them you don't go in. What is thrown is bangers.
The 14:00 mentioned matter Step center named thing is actually more done with previous intel gathered on something (but it's very wishful thinking) and it's more actually based on proper distant "pieing" of the room... however a banger is a banger, no way someone is gonna be still ready to shoot after a properly thrown banger.
Keep in mind this is a video game guide.
In terms of the irl aspect, I think that’s a very valid point you raise. But I don’t think it’s realistic to expect bangers to be used in the type of war being conducted in Ukraine for example. Most of the room would be cleared from outside, and an entry would be more a check than a combat clearance if done this way.
or you could fire a bunch of at4s into one building and call it a day
Unfortunately AT4s aren’t good for that in this game
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and then ICO kicks in , the 1 in the room sprays to the door spasmos the entry guys aim and sight and then get noodlearmed to death because they are untrained supermarket chicks that are used to filling up shelfes, sometimes you can get the diceroll and the spasmo headshots the enemy......
You are wrong about something in the comments
Damnit lol
Yeah good luck getting randos to stack up and clear a room in squad. Most of them won't even use their mic
You should watch the “why I make these videos” section at the end.
Just got to it. I appreciate the attempt. I would love it if this series succeeds in that endeavor. @@HaebyungDance
Everyone contributes a little bit
It’s the same in every game, and some of us get burnt out giving repetitive lessons. We should all make videos on what real tactics work in our games.
Does CQB involve noodle arms?
Immediate entry means not to stack up or delay in any form. Can only be done with the element of surprise and when the enemy situation is known. CQB is part of MOUT, MOUT is part of Urban Warfare. Main difference between MOUT and urban warfare is the presence of civilians. In MOUT you expect the city to be cleared of civilians. In Urban Warfare you have civilian considerations.
CQB terminology tends to vary widely depending on the circle.
I do disagree on your distinction between MOUT and urban warfare. MOUT absolutely has doctrinal considerations for the presence of non-combatants.
I think a more accurate distinction would have to do with chain of command and interagency operations. By definition MOUT is what the military does. However hypothetical urban warfare in some major metropolis areas would require the military to coordinate and operate with civilian authorities and agencies such as local government, first responders, etc.
@@HaebyungDance non-combatants can be anything but regular forces, by definition. That does not make them civilians, peaceful or unarmed. MOUT is older than Urban warfare, if you look at the older manuals you can see that there were little to no civilian considerations.
That you don't know the definition of non-combatants shows me that you don't put too much effort into the words you are using or not for longer than 10 years. Good effort on the video though. It is much better than a Karmakut video. Some things are not wrong, they are just debatable.
The term non-combatant includes civilians. It is a broader term that is not exclusionary of civilians, who are rather an integral part of the term historically.
Regardless, if you noticed, my video is about basic CQB theory not about the LOAC. I emphasize this in my video.
@@HaebyungDance No idea what LOAC is.
You argue that MOUT has civilian considerations in the form of non-combatants, who describes everything other than regular forces, which includes neutral civilians, but also armed organized and unorganized ones.
Neutral civilians are of little concern to the law of war. What concerned them and that is why non-combatants have much lesser rights in a conflict is, they want to suppress small wars like guerilla warfare and therefore punish civilians who take up arms and fight outside of regular forces. Also they want to credibility of the neutral civilian by minimizing other types of civilians.
So the legal term combatant you used has nothing to do with considerations in an urban environment, except for after being becoming captive. That is also why they are called "civilian considerations" and not "non-combatant considerations". It is not the same thing and it does not play in the same arena of actual warfare, but the legality of warfare instead.
Aside from that I point out an illogical clue in your own display. A delayed entry and an immediate entry should be the opposite of each other. Still you show it like it is just a different scale. That is basic logic. I doubt you can find any source for the definition of an immediate entry anywhere. That would be fine if you want to redefine it, but you claim it to be common, original, average or at least senseful.
You mix up dynamic entry with immediate entry. Three or more there are: dynamic, immediate and deliberate entry. That is the basic terminology.
I don't play squad and prolly never will. I'm here to increase knowledge for the big day.
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