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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 5 ต.ค. 2024
- It was a very long voyage to get to this date.
I've been long fascinated by biplanes. Of course I wanted to fly biplanes when I began flying RC back in the late nineties. When I re-entered the RC hobby a few years ago, I purchased and wore-out a number of UMX Beast biplanes and then I finally achieved a great deal of success with my E-flite Beast 60e. After a couple of years of flying my Beast 60e, I finally started to "lust" for the Hangar 9 Beast model. By the time my "lust" evolved into a more mature "passion" for the big model, the Hangar 9 model had become discontinued.
With some searches on the RC classifieds, I finally found a seller willing to ship an "unboxed" Hangar 9 Beast kit from Brooklyn, New York to Minneapolis, Minnesota. Once I confirmed the shipment of the kit,I began my search for a DA120 motor. That search resulted in finding a recent posting by Mike McConville for his Hangar 9 Beast model fully assembled, lacking only a few components before being "ready-to-fly". That purchase resulted in a one day, 16 hour, round trip to Champaign, Illinois to pick up this model.
Even after spending many hours of preparations on this air-frame, there was still much to be learned and little details to be resolved before this aircraft was to become "mine". The intent was to maiden this craft at the TCRC field, but the field was closed when we arrived and we took to the alternate and less desirable location of the Scott County Fair Grounds. Not good to learn both a new flying site and a new aircraft in a single sitting, as I would soon find out.
During my maiden flight with this aircraft, I ran the fuel tank too low and killed my motor during a descent. Unfortunately, the aircraft's heading at the time was toward the fence-line and power-line end of the parking lot which meant I needed to negotiate a quick 180* before setting down. I kept the nose down to maintain airspeed but I quickly found both a down-draft from the tree-line and tail wind which rendered my elevator useless and instead of a final flare, the "nose-heavy" biplane instead dropped it's nose in the final seconds of flight.
LuAnn did a great job of documenting our event of which I studied the aircraft's behavior and compared the final events to my control inputs, mechanical setup and that morning's flight behavior.
I have since replaced the fuselage and cowl but am flying the same motor, prop, spinner, servos, receiver, wings and landing gear (including wheel pants) as you see here. I have downsized the smoke oil tank, moved my CG rearward, set the carburetor to run richer, installed smoke fan-spray nozzles, and dialed down my flight timer. Additionally, I'll be avoiding the Scott County Fair Grounds as a flying site for this plane as the large open space quickly becomes "small" for this aircraft.
Checkout my better success at the TCRC Flying Field.
• Glenn's Hangar 9 Beast...
As LuAnn immediately reflected at the crash site, history has proved that these early crashes (such as on my Beast 60e model) generally result in years of following success and we are now looking forward to many years of successful flights after this aircraft's rebuild.
Thank you for sharing another of our exciting adventures and learning experiences. Stay tuned for many more Hangar 9 Beast adventures!
Glenn
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Update...
After one of my July 1st, 2017 flights at the TCRC field, I found my Dubro ball-link throttle linkage to have failed during one of my flights, causing a loss of engine power and a forced "dead-stick" landing. Fortunately, this previous event helped me avoid a repeat finale. A review and reflection of that linkage failure as well as observed fuel consumption rates, has lead me to theorize that THIS dead-stick was caused by a failed linkage and not by an empty tank caused by an improperly set timer. The near-empty fuel tank that I recovered probably had more to due to from the impact and subsequent siphoning out through the fuel vent. I would not have suspected a loose throttle linkage as the impact could have cased that from the firewall separation upon impact.
Since the linkage failure, I have added a 4-40 washer to my throttle linkage hardware as an added level of safety as relying on a nylon coupling in close proximity to a hot muffler is a very poor design choice.
Glenn
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What a bummer! That thing looked like a masterpiece.
No need to fear!
The fuselage was quickly replaced and a multitude of improvements were made during the rebuild. We took our first flight at my local TCRC field for the initial flights after the rebuild and it flew well. th-cam.com/video/w4Huo1RRkoQ/w-d-xo.html Then I made additional improvements and we took it out to Sturgeon Lake Minnesota and it put on a heck-of-an airshow. Videos will be posted tomorrow. th-cam.com/video/n8lqJakpWN0/w-d-xo.html
Thank you for sharing our mis-adventure Itmesq.
Glenn
Glad to hear it!
If you ever make your way to the White Bear Lake area I'd love to watch you fly. (I have a drone but it doesn't seem nearly as exciting as an RC plane.) Send me an email if ever in the area and wouldn't mind me watching you fly (lukemartone@gmail.com).
That slow mo video is priceless .. oooooooooohhhhh nnnnnooooooooo!!!!! Aaaarrrggghh!!!!!!
Ughh
I've been building and flying RC airplanes for 25 years. And I know that Exact feeling when such a Large beautiful and expensive model smashes into the Ground....
People think they are just Toys. And don't realize the amount of Time we put into Building covering finishing and fine tuning these Birds to Fly just right. It's always a Bad day when we Bring home our Planes in a Bag.
But Brian...
Each crash is an opportunity to learn and improve. Some tuitions in the school of hard knocks are expensive. Since this crash I have literally flown the covering off this and other giant scale crafts. Since this crash, neither the plane nor the pilot have been the same. Check out my other videos!
May all your landings be "gear down".
Glenn
They are toys just big ones.
The AMA would probably have a thing or two to say about the safety of this entire situation (weight of the plane, people walking on the field); having said that, I am really sorry for your loss-- I am rebuilding my Cub now after my last crash, and I know how you feel. By the way, your BEAST was a beautiful aircraft. Well, its all part of it... we learn from our mistakes and we keep flying! (be safe)
Fuck the ama they can eat a raw asshole. So can you if you give a shit about what they say.
The AMA is a scam. They’re worse than auto insurance companies. All about the Benjamins 💰
I was wondering why he was flying such a large aircraft in a public park? This isn’t some little foamy!
Sucks too se in crash thou😞
Glad I watched the newer video first, Glenn, and I thought it went quite well. A little less action than this one, but more room and testing a real nice rebuild! It did remind me of the 60e and just glad to see you both up and flying.
......................... bill
Yes!
And just like the 60e, I "totaled" both of them their maiden flights. However, the replacement 60e air frame has been going strong for a couple of years now and I've got countless hours on that air frame. LuAnn has 100% confidence that the repaired Hangar 9 model will follow suit. LuAnn did a great job following this one down to the ground which gave us a lot of data to analyse. There isn't much to learn from successes, but there's a plethora of opportunity to learn from failures.
I'm so smart now it hurts! LOL
LuAnn and I are planning to join up with the Sturgeon Lake Balsa Busters in Sturgeon Lake Minnesota this Saturday. That's 2-1/2 hours north of us in "God's Country". We plan to bring both Beasts and are looking forward to a good show. In the meantime, I've changed props on the big Beast, changed my smoke programming, and cleaned out my carburetor. I'm really hoping to get that DA120 running better than I've been able to so far.
Thank you for sharing our little adventures, Bill.
May all your landings be "gear down".
Glenn
Glenn, I am familiar with that kind of pain. I am currently in long term rebuild of a 3D Hobby Shop AJ Slick (electric) that was gifted to me by the previous owner. I loved that plane and the way it flew. I piled it due to a radio brown out. A sad day for sure.
I gathered up the pieces and after months just sitting I decided to rebuild it (no easy task as the plane was also discontinued).
It's nearly done now and I am looking forward to many more days of flying it.
I salute you sir for staying with it and bring her back. So many great Hanger 9 planes have disappeared.
Matt from So. Cal
Thank you, Matt!
I salute YOU for your persistence. I'll hope that you've shared a similar opportunity in your CSI (Crash Scene Investigation) and are able to resume your adventure with wealth of knowledge from your efforts and essentially guarantee that you'll never experience the same event again. (At least not from the same cause)
In my case, the Giant Scale and the the Gasoline power were both new to me, but I trusted that the Horizon Hobby team that built and flew this model were "the experts" and I trusted that outside of personal preferences, the model was constructed well and all the components were specified well. It was after my CSI, that I found numerous details were inadequate and others were not consistent to my level of performance expectations. What a great opportunity to learn what works and what doesn't work. I've now run a few gallons of gasoline and a couple gallons of smoke oil thorough my rebuilt model and I continue to customize the model to fit me. I'm now literally flying the covering off this poor thing. Last fall I finally replaced the smoke pump with a premium model and I can't wait to get the new pump dialed in this spring.
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I wish you well with your reconstructed AJ Slick. I've lusted for that plane as well and didn't realize that it had been discontinued. Another beautiful aircraft in flight.
Please share videos when it's back in the air Matt.
Glenn
Oh man, I admit, watching lesser planes (usually mine) crash can be entertaining, but when it happens to a fine scale job or something so involved it's just sad.
Dead stick. part of this hobby. On s'essuis et on recommence! thanks for posting
On casse pour mieux reconstruire
OMG, what a shame. The engine sounded wrong from the beginning. Not sure if anyone else heard that. That was loss man. You should definitely be flying something this big at your local flying club. Sorry for your loss.
Bummer. Kudos for fixing it and continuing to have fun.
That's the face of a true hobbyist right there. ? No worries I will hot glue this baby up and be back tomorrow 🥴lol. Great video great plane great pilot .....
That should have been a routine dead stick landing for an accomplished RC pilot. You have a lot to learn buddy including where to fly & how to fly!
Classic case of "shoulda looked for a soft(er) spot straight ahead instead of making that fatal slow 180 degree turn to get back to the runway". Beautiful aircraft. Hope she's back in the air by now.
Uh-oh!
And balsa / film doesn't just go back together with a bit of CA.
Glad you're back in the air again.
I learned with Biplanes when dead stick land it straight ahead, no questions asked!
Greetings, Dennis Linares.
I try not to give the negative, arm-chair R/C pilots any more energy than they deserve, as a confrontation is what they appear to be here for. After all, they came looking for a crash, I gave them some crashes, and then they lie about their own skills and bash those of us willing to set pride aside and share all the aspects of our journeys, not just the trophies , but the scars that got us here as well. A brief review of the videos' post comments readily explains the background and the situation surrounding "The Event". But those viewers are here to bash, not to learn something.
I am no stranger to biplanes as I don't even have a current count of active biplanes in my current hangar.
This specific biplane was an old "experienced" model that I purchased in "ready-to-fly" condition from an accomplished Horizon Hobby R/C plane designer and R/C aerobatic show pilot, Mike McConville. This plane was owned and flown by Mike, along side the likes of Quique Somenzini. (this model's designer) I was new to Giant Scale and trusted that this model would have been assembled and spec'd out as a top-of-the-line model. As it turned out, the plane had not been adequately prepared for long-term storage, was built with sub-par components, and was built "nose-heavy" for a 3-D plane. It was a poorly configured throttle linkage that caused the throttle cut and the nose-heavy condition as well as a poorly designed smoke system that lead this plane to glide more like a brick than it should have. Where and when the throttle cut happened didn't leave me with many "optimal" choices and the combination of many variables cut me feet short of pulling out a perfect rescue.
A few flights later, after moving CG significantly aft-ward and a gutting of the smoke system, made the second throttle linkage failure a non-issue.
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Once I found that TRUE cause of the throttle cut, this plane has had many, many uneventful fights, most of which have not been documented or posted on TH-cam.
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But my year-round workhorse biplane is my old 60e model that I've been flying for many years and countless flights.
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My latest addition to my biplane collection is the "little" Red Mamba 70. After identifying and addressing the inadequate stock aileron linkage hardware, we are hoping for many uneventful flights with this young bird as well.
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Yes, I've had A LOT of crashes over my twenty years of flying R/C, but is with those crashes that I learn a lot about the limitations that I have as a pilot, the mechanics of my aircraft, and the sciences around aerodynamics. That is why I share my "learning experiences" and try to encourage other up-and-coming pilots to set realistic expectations and instill a little encouragement as they pursue their own journeys.
Yes. I do also own and fly mono-wings as well. lol
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Thank you for sharing a little piece of my adventure, Dennis Linares, and for your kind words as well.
May all your landings be "gear down".
Glenn
Good pilot! Sorry about the flame out and tip stall. She’ll fly again. Rite of passage. We must all go through..subscribed!
Quite good video, awesome!
Oh wow sorry for your lost..such a beaut
Terrible! I know how it feels!! The video was awesome, great job LouAnn!
Yes, LuAnn did a much better job than the pilot did. LOL
Too many pilot errors to list that lead to the conclusion of this flight. With added data provided from LuAnn's work, we did a lot of analysis of the errors and then made countless corrections before the next flights. As you saw from the Sturgeon Lake flights, we've had much greater success since learning many lessons.
No one was injured, no property damage was done, financial loss was "minimal", a great video came home, a plethora of lessons were learned and I had a BLAST throughout my eight minute flight. In-spite of the crash, it was a great morning!
Thank you for sharing our new adventure into "Giant Scale", Eduardo.
Glenn
I think you were stellar flying the "Beast". It is not for nothing that the plane names is "The Beast". Very intimidating and super powerful!! You are an excellent pilot. LuAnn did a great job at videoing!
Eduardo...
After one of my July 1st, 2017 flights at the TCRC field, I found my Dubro ball-link throttle linkage to have failed during one of my flights, causing a loss of engine power and a forced "dead-stick" landing. Fortunately, this previous event helped me avoid a repeat finale. A review and reflection of that linkage failure as well as observed fuel consumption rates, has lead me to theorize that THIS dead-stick was caused by a failed linkage and not by an empty tank caused by an improperly set timer. The near-empty fuel tank that I recovered probably had more to due to from the impact and subsequent siphoning out through the fuel vent. I would not have suspected a loose throttle linkage as the impact could have cased that from the firewall separation upon impact.
Since the linkage failure, I have added a 4-40 washer to my throttle linkage hardware as an added level of safety as relying on a nylon coupling in close proximity to a hot muffler is a very poor design choice.
Glenn
Happy 4th of July Glenn! Very good "aircraft accident investigation". I believe that doing what you just did and sharing it makes aviation more safe! Thanks for sharing with me, I have learned a lesson!!
It is usually beneficial to keeping the wing flying to make your final turn with rudder and keep your wigs level. It kind of looks like where you were flying you had some trees to deal with as well. sorry to see a nice plane go in
Fortunately, many variables were identified that all placed significant parts in that day's "event" and they were quickly addressed. The weak throttle linkage was reinforced. The CG was moved significantly aft. (nose-heavy, gasoline-powered biplanes make poor gliders. Especially those flying with a half-gallon of liquid payload.) This poor flying site has been avoided for all of our flights going forward. The big Beast saw numerous successful flights over the remaining season and is waiting for it's next adventure.
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Our second "dead-stick" recovery was far more successful with the aft CG, better flying field which lead to the proper diagnostic of a bad throttle linkage, not lack of fuel...
th-cam.com/video/D65Ky-vP4ZA/w-d-xo.html
But we still have fun with the 60e and the UMX Beasts as well...
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Yes, we do manage to do more than JUST crash our Beasts here, but it happens. Thank you for sharing our adventures and our mis-adventures, Amos.
Glenn
I know it’s easy to say this after the fact . I don’t know how much room you had but you should’ve tried to turn back around. You knew that if you turned, you would lose too much speed.
Wtf, why are you flying a giant scale 3d plane in a park with other people walking by???
Take your meds and go to sleep!
Lmfao Right! 🤣🤣 Just worry about yourself boo booo
Hey at least he didn’t crash into that mint OBS ford diesel
I should post the video of me crashing my 150cc Extra 300 on the back 9 fairway of a golf course 🤣🤣🤣 Balsa everywhere!
if you posted that video, you'd have at least one video fan! :-D :-D
I was fortunate that collection of balsa was a fairly small pile to pickup.
What I want to know is... What size of a divot did that 150CC leave in that manicured fairway? I can't imagine that you made many friends that day, except at the hobby shop. :-D :-D
Thank you for "digging" my video, Full Throttle.
Glenn
Sorry to see your crash you are a good pilot and don't let the location pricks bring you down I just crashed my first scratch built 80cc mx2 in a park shared with dogs and soccer games it is sacontion by my city as large scale rc field
And if anyone bothered to read the text before ranting, they would see that this is NOT a park, but an off-season county fair ground parking lot that IS our club's AMA sanctioned flying field when the main field is flooded as it was at the time of this video. No, those are not "houses" but fairground buildings and a business that is also located on this shared site. No, those weren't "public" walkers, but members of ANOTHER club who has authorization to share this site. And for those who "thought" that I was flying over people, didn't notice that those club members and their vehicles were long gone before I flew my plane back over that area. Yes, there are far more riskier AMA sanctioned flying sites than this one, but safety was concern #1 and at no time was any other person or property at risk. Yes, my camera person was also my "spotter" and assisted in maintaining communications and negotiating the shared space.
I'm quite glad that we are free of dogs and soccer fields at both of our flying sites. Other clubs are good tenants of the shared space and we have a lot of space to divvy up among us.
Don't pity me and my plane too much as we got right back in the air and spent many flights since then ripping up the skies and leaving lots of smoke trails. A little poorer and a little wiser.
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Thank you Alexander for your observations, shared stories and positive message in this mix of troubled souls just looking for a place to dump their frustrations of their own internal demons. lol
Glenn
You even showed people walking dogs in what is clearly a public area, before you fly and loose control of a large plane. I'm lost for words.
to be fair to him we use to get it all the time on our field where we use't to fly and that was privet farm land the dog walkers should not be anywhere near, we even use to get the police dog section with there dogs there as well!! although 9 times out off 10 they went to the field next door but it was only 200 or so yards away from where we were!!
even in slow motion there is no rudder input?
A PARK WITH PEOPLE WALKING AROUND.....SERIOUSLY??? You seem to be a knowledgeable RC Flyer. PEOPLE LIKE YOU WILL GET OUR HOBBY SHUT DOWN>>> You knew this was wrong and went ahead and posted a video of this? Man, go to TCRC and fly there.
Parth Kumar how do you know where he lives he knows more than and is clearly way more experienced he waited for them people to go bye go take your meds
Nice video man!
Antes que nada, una verdadera lástima... a todos se nos han caído aviones y nos a ha dado tristeza... pero: me parece por lo que vi y sobre todo escuche, que el liquido de humo es el que ahoga el motor, esto suele pasar si no esta bien programada la bomba... y nunca hay que cortar gas a tope... porque es cuando queda de manifiesto la problemática.
El piloto obró bien en la maniobra, solo que no alcanzo y tuvo un aterrizaje forzoso... que dado el lugar (perros y gente cruzando por ahí)... podría haber sido peor.
Espero y deseo que el piloto lo haya reconstruido y este disfrutando de nuevo de unos hermosos vuelos.
She's not that bad. That plane took that good
Toy plane crashes and Russian dash cam crashes are the best entertainment😂😂
From the beginning of starting the engine I knew something was off. For some reason only the owner/pilot can tell us is to why the engine was running at a fast idle. This alone should have been a warning sign not to fly. As far has the crash is concerned that IMO was pilot error. Ever hear of the "dead mans turn"? Well people you have just been witness to it.
sir you look exactly like one of my professors at Michigan State.
Oh great. People on the field.
Hi Glenn,IMO that's completely able to be rebuilt! Did ya rebuild it? Sure hope so, as that fix shouldn't have been too extensive. Also to let such a beautiful plane like that go would be a shame.
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das verstehe ich nicht ? kein ziehen der Höhe ? was war da - Akkus tod Empfang tod ??
Omg!😨 Men, I'm sorry for your lost! It was such a beautiful plane! ... I don't know if you noticed it, but the plane's motor was making weird sounds since taking off... It sounded like something wasn't right and the motor was fighting against stalling! ... but I don't know, I might be wrong...
See that's the only thing I don't like about gas powered planes, they ate not as reliable as the electric ones... Again, I'm really sorry for your lost my friend! 🙁
Already "fixed" and flying again!
Just a little "hot glue" and it was set to go. LOL
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I already had an unopened kit that I used to bring the Phoenix back to life from the ashes.
Yes, I've spent hours with that carburetor and it refuses to play nice in the lower to mid settings. I have tools and parts on order. This is going to be a learning experience!
Glenn
From Noob, this might sound a little dumb but was the plane rebuilt or was it a total loss, I mean it hit the ground HARD but actually when they walked up to it I was actually surprised at how remarkably intact it looked? certainly new lower wing and underbody repairs or was the whole airframe split?
Before anyone calls me out im a newbie I have no plane at this time but looking at these videos as I will be buying my first plane next month and want to get into the hobby.
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Check out my other videos, Simon. Crashing is part of the hobby and of learning. I've put many hours on this plane since this crash. If you can't afford to crash a plane, you can't afford to fly a plane. Even with a hard crash like this, you'd be surprised by how much can be salvaged and patched.
Welcome to the hobby Simon. Your best success will come by partnering up with someone and preferably joining a local club.
I can't recall how long it's been since my last crash (this might have been it), but it takes a lot of crashes to get really good. Check back later and maybe I can tell you how many that is.
May all your landings be gear down.
Glenn
That could have been worse. Flying that large of a model that near to a residential area could have gone really bad. But hey live life while ya can.
Name one time it's ever happened!
I can name 4.
@@charlescarter6146 if you could you would have.
I fly at the club field.
Wow.. you take off and do acrobatic at the same time 😂
Idiot
To all idiots that made a negative comment, Take your meds and go to sleep. This man's only mistake is when a biplane goes dead stick, try to land straight ahead. If he would have done that, more than half the stupid comments would not have been said!
My first thought was R.I.P. to that engine. Did it survive?
Not only did the motor "survive", but nearly the whole plane survived after a donor fuselage from another kit.
After a few of my own engineering changes, this has become a very reliable aircraft. Purchasing and flying a "used" aircraft means incurring a great deal of risk in that it's tough to second guess every decision of the previous owner and /or builder. I placed great trust in the source of this aircraft, but later found a lot of poor decisions went into the build of this one that were left for me to correct. Unfortunately, I found a lot of those bad decisions the hard way. :-)
Thank yo for watching and thank you for asking!
May all your landings be "gear-down".
Glenn
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I think he ran it out of gas.
Smoke oil at idle, terrible field to fly such a large airplane. Biplanes have lots of drag, engine off low speed and trying to turn yep it stalled.
Classic stall turn. Sorry to see it happen
I'm interested in RC byplanes, but has been quite difficult to find a way to balance them, could you please give some tips? Thank you for your time.
Jose-Carlos ALMANZA ...
I agree with you 100%! If you are looking WHERE to balance them,we are quite dependent on having a manual to make recommendations as the combination of wing types and the wing staggering doesn't make the choice obvious. If you already know WHERE to balance but struggle with how to fixture it to balance, then that's generally an easier challenge. I will often mark my plane in several locations for the CG and then choose the easiest option at the time. If the reference is for the bottom wing, project that point to the top wing and flip it inverted as to avoid the landing gear. When you're done, right it and verify against your original marks. Check online and you'll see a multitude of custom balancers to address the fixturing challenges of a biplane. Personally, I generally put permanent CG markings on my planes and do a quick balance on my fingertips and make small, incremental adjustments based on flight performance. Based on this video's flight, I rebuilt with a significant shifting of my CG aft and experienced many far more successful flights. Infact... We are bringing the big Beast north again this Saturday for another Sturgeon Lake Balsa Busters fun fly event, sporting a new smoke pump. The weather service is predicting some pretty dicey weather. Best wishes with your biplane adventures, Jose-Carlos.
Glenn
mnragnar thanks a lot!! I appreciate your time, I'll do as you say.
What a waste, plenty of opportunities for safe landing. Practice dead-stick landings on smaller planes before real sceanario on that would 100% have saved it. No comments about airfield/size of plane as thats too obvious.
You are incredibly irresponsible for taking off in this area. It is clearly not sealed off. The idea that people are walking past on the take off area and you still take off is complete lack of regard for health and safety (and the law). Secondly, a low pass, down wind, when the engine cuts, you had no options because you never had a plan. You could have killed someone.
Richard it’s not agains the law firstly. His field is flooded and they arranged with the PARK OWNERS TO FLY THERE. People like you are idiotic people that know nothing about this hobby
Usually when someone takes off and immediately does an axial roll for the spectators is showing off and it usually doesn't end well, granted the motor quit and he was too low to set up a dead stick landing, when your flying that kind of money you need to have a better back up plan, like did he run out of fuel (his fault) or was mixture set wrong...redundancy man, too bad nice plane..RIP
Unlike the rest of the foamie shit heads. That crash and throw away. This guy knows what hes doing. The beast was rebuilt faster than it takes you to get your foam pile shipped from china.
Throttle linkage and smoke system were shit as a product of the previous owner.
I also agree with everyone else. You should have not been Flying anything but a park flier at this location. There already are many things going on that could impact modelers ability to enjoy our hobby. Please don’t give any law maker one more reason to take our hobby away from us.
It looked repairable...
Yes it was!😀 Thanks for watching. th-cam.com/video/n8lqJakpWN0/w-d-xo.html
Not so bad. When I put in my 35% H9 260 it was not recognizable as a plane. Were you able to rebuild and get flying again?
Sorry to hear about your "mishap" Jason.
Mine was back in the air in only days and has performed extremely well after working out the remaining bugs from this previously owned plane.
The fuselage was quickly replaced and a multitude of improvements were made during the rebuild. We took our first flight at my local TCRC field for the initial flights after the rebuild and it flew well.
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Then I made additional improvements and we took it out to Sturgeon Lake Minnesota and it put on a heck-of-an airshow.
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Thank you for sharing our "humbling" mis-adventure Jason. :-)
Glenn
@@mnragnar i watched your videos and the plane looks good. I took a look at H9 website and see they don't really offer the "old school" performance ARFs anymore. Thats too bad. I always liked them better than the rival from the time Areoworks. Anyway, I put my plane in at Tucson after moving down there to "learn". Gave up the hobby after that. I think 2 years was it for me.
I have a channel called COWTOWNFLYER on TH-cam if you want to have a look. Just a few old vids, but one I took of Quique flying Ultimate is okay.
I want to mention. I built a startup stand you might want to consider as opposed to straps. Piece of plywood with holes for spikes at the rear. Couple of padded dowels at the opposite end to stand in front of stab. Pull the dowels out when ready to taxi. Works pretty good. You can sort of see in my H9 Evo vid on startup.
Thanks for your reply. You are a better flier than I ever hoped to be. And the Beast is a great plane.
@@jasonfrodoman1316 I'm sorry to hear that you hung things up after two years. I'm quickly approaching 60 years old myself and spent most of my learning RC flying these past 10 years. I can not tell you how many planes I've crashed or how many times I've crashed any single plane in my collection. (It's a lot) But that's the nature of this hobby. It takes a lot of time and commitment (and money) to truly get enough time at the sticks until you forget that you even have a transmitter in your hand. Like anything else we to in our daily lives. Talking, walking driving. Each of those activities is truly a very complex activity (try programming a robot to do any one of them) yet we get up and walk across the room drive across town or converse with a loved one with the mere effort of willing it to happen. Yes, flying RC planes can be the same "muscle memory" where you spend more energy figuring "how" you want to land the aircraft than "Can I get this down in one piece?"
Young minds learn much faster. Try learning flying RC at 50! Thus all my crashes. Certainly, if you have an aircraft and a place where you're not afraid to crash, learning is much easier and more relaxing.
I initially learned to fly RC in my 30's and I don't think I ever had the chance to get very good as my stick time and my finances were very limited. In my 50's, my time and my finances were more accommodating for learning, but the brain was not. But I made a strong commitment and I'm much farther along than I ever though I was capable of when I started. A big personal win for me.
With luck, maybe we'll see you give RC flight another go. As I used to say, "If you're not crashing, You're not flying". :-)
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May all your landings be "gear down".
Glenn
@@mnragnar I dont miss the hobby. This was all at least 10-15 years ago now I think. I flew pretty much all day, everyday in Canada - weather permitting. And who know how many hours on sim. Then I packed up and went to Tucson for 6 month where I flew everyday also. But my last crash changed my perspective on the hobby. I started to feel a little goofy spending 1000's on models instead of on something "real" so to speak.
I started restoring old jet boats instead. Now I have a big old 35 foot sailboat I'm working on, so I have my hands full. But I still like to look at the RC videos. And I am always baffled at how many people crash on landing !!! I dont think you have a problem landing. Not a sure why so many do. Seems they just choke.
One nice thing about Electrics; they don't just quit suddenly.
:-) You got that right, Linda McEntaffer! At least it doesn't happen nearly as often. There's a reason that 99.9% of my RC flying is electric. Whether you're talking reliability or maintenance cost, electric beats both gasoline and glow-fuel hands-down. Then there's all the clean-up after the flights. There are a lot of my fellow RC pilots who insist on flying 2-cycle and claim to miss the sound when flying electric, but I'm not one of them. There's plenty of great sound from a loaded electric prop or the whistles from the aircraft during a high-speed pass. I don't need the racket of a small 2-cycle motor or the stink. However, it's a bit difficult to get a good smoke show from a giant scale RC aircraft in electric power. Therefore I'm willing to be burdened with the associated "expense", all for a rare treat of an occasional smoke show. If it weren't for the smoke, I'd be flying electric 100%.
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Thank you for watching and commenting!
Glenn
Why were you flying this type of machine with people Dogs and houses in close proximity totally inappropriate flying area ,should have stuck to Park flying
You too Barry.
I just have to say again. The dog walkers and pedestrians just have no clue what the heck they are doing. They probably walked right past all the posted signage and on to an active airfield. Happens all the time where I live in So Cal. Sanctioned AMA field and all. Joggers that come out of nowhere and flip you off as they run across the runway because they think they are somehow entitled to do as they please where ever they please.
I would feel lucky to fly at such a beautiful location.
Enough of the bashing!
Matt Insley that doesnt look like any sanctioned field Ive ever been to. That "runway" he used look more like a walking path.
luanna56003 a runway that leads straight into the roadway and parking area? That would be the dumbest club field.
luanna56003 sooooo, its not a sanctioned club field. That is a walkway, not a runway. And what is your problem, lady? Is there proper signage stating that is a flying field to make it obvious to pedestrians they shouldnt be flying there. Also the "runway" is pointed straight at the roadway and parking area. I have no intention of visiting this place. Especially with the attitude displayed and childish name calling that came with it. Check that attitude at the door, lady.
Had a death wish, engine WAS NOT tuned properly, you could hear it struggling and almost stalling. What a shame.
Why not straight in? bad landing technique. You dont bank a stalled plane.
luanna56003 Really? I swear there are so many immature people out there. Thankyou for checking out my channel, clearly you are way more experienced at repairing planes than I. Mabe you just wish your broken planes back together and they do it because you are so great huh? My guess is you just throw them out and buy new.
i have couple question
was this the first deadstick this motor had
and the motor is doing a weird sound on the ground
idle looki way to high look almos 1800-2000 rpm
did you start with the 1.5- 1.5 turn on h and low needle
the dead stick look almos to me way to much oil in the muffler and you where upsidedown and after that you have stalled the motor
Thank you for the questions Byron.
This entire plane is a number of years old that I had just purchased from Mike McConville. My understanding is that this plane hadn't been flown for a couple of years and only had about four flights on it as it was a Horizon Hobby demonstrator at Joe Nall as one of "The Beastie Boys" noon-time airshow. I've spent a lot of time with that low speed jet adjustment and right now it goes from a noisy rich idle to unsustained lean idle within a 10* turn. Being that the motor probably isn't even broken in yet, it's probably safest to leave it a bit rich anyway for a few more tanks. My later findings are suggesting that this motor is probably using nearly as much fuel during idle as it does at WOT. This long wait for the field to clear probably used way more fuel than I thought and my flight timer was WAY too long for my first flight.
This plane didn't have "nozzles" for smoke oil injection, but simply 8-32 "pressure taps" that just streamed liquid oil into the mufflers. To supply those streams, this plane was outfitted with a full one quart tank for smoke oil in addition to the one quart for gasoline mix. I'm estimating that take-off was with about 4lbs of liquid payload. When I ran the gasoline tank empty, I still had 2lbs of smoke oil as I'd just started to burn that seconds before the crash. I don't think that the oil in the mufflers affected the motor, but the rush of remaining gasoline toward the front of the tank away from the clunk meant the pickup went dry during the descent and then I had the cards stacked against me while attempting to rescue glide a "brick" safely to the ground. A new plane at a new sight, with an extra 2 lbs of payload on a nose-heavy aircraft. As my luck would have it... My final turn would place me into some serious "sink" behind those evergreens and with a swift tail wind which would help render my tail feathers useless during my final 50 feet of travel.
During the final second of flight, you'll see that the nose actually drops, but I'm pulling hard on the elevator and attempting to roll it right. Though it had forward motion, I had zero airspeed behind those evergreens, which became quite obvious when we went to clean up.
I've chatted with numerous other TCRC members who choose not to use this backup flying location when our field floods, as they do not find the sight very accommodating either. Now I know why. LOL
I have tools and parts ordered for an "overhaul" of my Walbro WJ-71 carburetor. The fuel lines and all plumbing were replaced as soon as I took possession of this craft. With luck, the fuel system will be top notch and my DA120 will sound as sweet as your DA100L.
We have a trip planned to Sturgeon Lake Minnesota this coming Saturday and I'm not sure what the status of the WJ-71 will be then, but I hope I'll have a chance to fly a clean carb with new rubber.
Stay tuned!
Glenn
Great news, Byron!
Though my Walbro service tool kit has not arrived, (preventing me from removing and thoroughly cleaning under the welsh plug) my cleaning and my replacement of the wear components of my WJ-71 carb seemed to do the trick. The original "float needle" was rubber tipped and it's replacement is steel tipped. I also mad a small adjustment to the needle height, removed a bit of sludge from the fuel pump side and put everything back together again with the new gaskets and diaphragms. After putting the needles back exactly where I had them in this flight, the motor started and ran the same as it did here. However... This time I was able to turn that darned low speed screw in almost 1-1/4 turns where the idle and mid-range have smoothed considerably but the motor keeps running. She's a bit rich so it doesn't lean out too much on throttle opening but its now running smooth enough that I even dialed the idle speed down a touch.
Now I know why those 1970's Rochester 4-barrel carburetors were so complicated. These primitive Walbro carbs leave so much to be desired.
Saturday I expect to be in Sturgeon Lake Minnesota where I hope to take the Beast back up again and try out my "clean" carburetor! With luck, LuAnn will capture some videos and we'll hope for a smooth running and reliable motor. Oh... And several GENTLE landings.
Thank you for sharing your Beast adventures and for the inspiration!
Glenn
Nicolas...
After one of my July 1st, 2017 flights at the TCRC field, I found my Dubro ball-link throttle linkage to have failed during one of my flights, causing a loss of engine power and a forced "dead-stick" landing. Fortunately, this previous event helped me avoid a repeat finale. A review and reflection of that linkage failure as well as observed fuel consumption rates, has lead me to theorize that THIS dead-stick was caused by a failed linkage and not by an empty tank caused by an improperly set timer. The near-empty fuel tank that I recovered probably had more to due to from the impact and subsequent siphoning out through the fuel vent. I would not have suspected a loose throttle linkage as the impact could have cased that from the firewall separation upon impact.
Since the linkage failure, I have added a 4-40 washer to my throttle linkage hardware as an added level of safety as relying on a nylon coupling in close proximity to a hot muffler is a very poor design choice.
Glenn
Does is still hurt to see this a year later? I bet it does. It hurts my girlfriend and I too see it. RIP
86 Society It doesn't hurt at all. As a result of this crash, the Ol' Beast was quickly rebuilt into a meaner and leaner machine. Right now we're just waiting for the flooding Minnesota River to recede so we can resume our anticts. Otherwise, we'll be visiting our friends in Sturgeon Lake at the end June!
yikes. thanks for sharing. be glad it was on film. little hot glue? jk fixing it should be fun if you have free time.
Already "fixed" and flying again!
Just a little "hot glue" and it was set to go. LOL
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I already had an unopened kit that I used to bring the Phoenix back to life from the ashes.
Glenn
Too many hovers! Low on gas! NEVER pull a tight turn on approach - NEVER - especially dead stick! No airspeed for ailerons to do any "inside turn lift"! Downwind legs are full of busted planes.. Gorgeous sweet plane though! Sorry bro! Could always be worse.. nobody got hurt.
What a shame but that"s part of the hobby.
When I first started watching this and u had the engine idling, I was saying to myself that the engine sounded a bit lean.
It was smoking more than Snoop Dogg 🤣🤣🤣
spot on:)
In two stroke tuning the more oil in the premix the leaner it runs. Perfect tuning can be complicated.
They haven't made a Telemetry system that lets the pilot know how much fuel is in the gas tank yet.
Update...
After one of my July 1st, 2017 flights at the TCRC field, I found my Dubro ball-link throttle linkage to have failed during one of my flights, causing a loss of engine power and a forced "dead-stick" landing. Fortunately, this previous event helped me avoid a repeat finale. A review and reflection of that linkage failure as well as observed fuel consumption rates, has lead me to theorize that THIS dead-stick was caused by a failed linkage and not by an empty tank caused by an improperly set timer. The near-empty fuel tank that I recovered probably had more to due to from the impact and subsequent siphoning out through the fuel vent. I would not have suspected a loose throttle linkage as the impact could have cased that from the firewall separation upon impact.
Since the linkage failure, I have added a 4-40 washer to my throttle linkage hardware as an added level of safety as relying on a nylon coupling in close proximity to a hot muffler is a very poor design choice.
Glenn
11:37 Climax lol? But seriously bad idea flying at that location...You force those people 2:31 off the pathway and flew over people houses. Your flight control is not bad but a dead stick can cause you to crash anywhere...Please find a RC field or a open farm land next time you fly. Good luck.
Every video Channel umm he did not force people out of their way he waited for the, to bye you IDIOT
Interested in a another airframe only? I have one for sale
You have to be able to smile, or get out the hobby. Started off as sticks, will end as sticks!
Il motore si è spento a causa del fumogeno, che ha condizionato la carburazione del motore, questo inconveniente li notsto pure sul mio sbak 342.mi dispiace per il tuo crasch.
oh was so nice. sad that was nose dive isn't it?
This is a video to warn other people. NEVER fly in a place like this, and learn how to fly before you buy a 100cc 3D plane. I hope he learns before something bad is gonna happend. this is not good for the hobby/sport. MaxDK
MaxMorgan he clearly knows more than you his manoeuvres were very good and it is a flying field when there place is flooded and they have registers it
Smoke oil snuffed out the engine at idle...
I feel for you...BUT at least you can save the rudder! LoL
Thank you for sharing the adventure, Jonathan, but I was far more fortunate and saved far more than the rudder and walked away with a plethroa of "lessons learned". We've manged to get a lot more flight time on the big Beast through the remaining summer months and maybe I'll find a way to put some snow skies on this one as well this winter.
Glenn
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I can say, that is one of the best looking birds out there. I am sure there were lesson's learned, as with every "hard" landing.. :-) Keep up the video's!!
Yikes! I hate to watch crashes but do anyway. Funny that a biplane can stall so easy without power but that inside wing on the steep bank stalled and no room to recover. Happens all the time on real planes usually on the turn to final with the engine at idle and too steep a bank and...Usually fatal. At least the pilot walked away on this one.
Yes, the pilot walks away!
I've chatted with other experienced biplane pilots and they also confirm how poorly biplanes glide. This was a used plane and during this initial flight, I found the plane to be WAY too nose heavy for my tastes. I also fly DLG and powered sailplanes and and it is critical to get gliders spot on the CG mark as their efficiency quickly degrades as the nose gets heavier and more drag is placed on the control surfaces to maintain level flight. I was really not liking the heavy elevator input required for inverted flight during this flight and that nose-heavy setup worked hard against me during the dead-stick portion of this flight.
After the fuselage replacement, I've moved my CG way back, downsized my smoke oil tank, and pulled both tanks way back to be spot on my rearward CG marks. My next flight proved much more relaxing, responsive and landing with power and into the wind didn't hurt my chances either. LOL
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Thank you for sharing my adventure, Jerry.
With luck, there will be more to come!
Glenn
It's true they have more drag because of the extra wing but drag isn't necessarily bad, i.e. flaps. So you might have more drag but the two wings should lower the stall speed quite a bit as they provide more lift. You are right about the CG being a factor in the stall at high bank angles. Also not enough rudder area on a particular design can also be a factor. For example slide-slip flybys at a slow speed is impossible without adequate rudder area (or throw). In a high bank angle turn stall it takes a lot of rudder to pull out as increasing the up elevator makes it worse by causing a tighter spiral down to the ground or a spin. Dead stick and a high bank means a dead pilot. :) Glad you were able to repair it and fly again.
Well you had that one coming... You made two mistakes as far as I could see. Never, I mean never bank like that hard in dead stick mode so close to the ground... Also never fly where there are people walking around. What would have happened if there was someone standing at the spot where you crashed. I'm sorry you crashed your plane but for the most part, You used very poor judgment that day..
Ok coky know it all
@@brodywiebe280 You have got that right smart ass. Safety first and second an airplane will stall big time in a sharp bank.
It looked like he was headed for the trees Don't know what was to the left ahead of him, but the turn did cause the crash.
Nice Move ...... EX-LAX!
You cant fly that plane there its against A.M.A. RULES
Que pena um bom e lindo aeromodelo.
Because they never consider what that 30 pounds will do when it falls into a pool or patio, or the front room picture window while the families 5 year old is watching cartoons. Some people don't get it!!! If it looks dangerous, it is dangerous!!! He knew it was wrong, flew anyway!!!! What an idiot! They never figure it will happen to them. Oh I'm sorry????
Lesson: AMA insurance is only good at a AMA field...and only AFTER your home owners insurance pays as much as it will. If you have a high deductible...you're on the hook for that too. So in legal terms this guy was EXPOSED for a bunch!!!! It's time for this guy to take a "voyage" back to reality and realize what he is doing and Could do!!!! It's not a game dude!!!
Why do people do silly things like this at a school or park? This doesn’t leave a very good impression for our hobby!
Just like the real thing.
NOT like the real thing.
Unlike Bryan Jensen, I walked away from this crash and I was back to flying this very same model in a matter of days. :-)
Thanks for watching and commenting!
Glenn
The beast is inherently nose heavy even in the model form. For this reason the power cannot be cut cut very darn much and still maintain control of the aircraft. For the life of me I can't understand why this guy flies around at idle power. H*** I fly my models fly oit'll spot out unless the electric.
Wtf , you shouldn’t be flying a giant scale plane at that park , glad you didn’t kill anybody . Stick to foam planes please ..
you IDIOT !
tbh i think if i had that plane i would choose it over a park flyer any day
Ben Martin
eflite corsair and apprentice are not big planes....lol. if those are big planes to you its probably a good idea (if your a rookie pilot) you dont fly at the park or at least when people are around but those are park fliers.
the park close to where i live has a huge field, bigger than some club fields, no one is there most of the time. but they did make a walking track around it and it turns and crosses right in the middle of the field with 2 night light poles and a bench. there still no one there much. its still plenty big to fly at either end of the field but i dont go there as much since they done that. before that it was almost like it was meant to be an rc park. the local dragstrip i fly at is empty during the week but isnt nearly as big but big enough to fly my 80inch hangar 9 cub 40. other parks around here are very small so i dont even fly my dollar tree foam board jet at those.
Bro it’s bad enough you flew at a Park but unless you lost signal it’s not difficult to dead stick land. Why bother with a £1000 rn if cant land simple probs!!
very unsafe handeling
N Ver so your not an roc pilot then. He did everything right and in order safer than he should be go smoke a joint
Too much money & not enough brains.
Fuk dude... you totally fukd that up. And your a good pilot too.... FAULT... yours
Pat Hetic
Mate you deserved that
Do you k keep how dangerous that was to fly a giant scale gas in a public place?
Imagine if you hit somebody or a dog or a house ect
I know its hard to pick a place to fly a giant scale plane BUT not everyone has a rc field close to their house to enjoy and have fun with them. If you noticed he waited for the people to pass and then go. Those words YOU DESERVE IT sounds a lot like you are a dushbag.
Glenn sorry for that incident but its part of this hobby. Been flying for almost 30 years and if you dont crash , you’re not trying 👍🏼👍🏼
@@ferdinandquiles7981 ok maybe I took it to far. Theat plane is worth a lot of money and j couldnt even fly s 100cc gasser I cant only fly low wing nitros
engine out kills a lot of RC planes...
Good piloting would have saved the airplane
uhhh... im sorry but is that a public park????? that is HIGHLY ILLEGAL. expect a complaint
from the FAA. Very unresponsable of you.
UMMMM....... No it is not a PUBLIC park. You haven't a f'n clue to what you're self righteously ranting about.
@@mnragnar oh COME on, there was people WALKING IN THE START OF THE VIDEO where YOU CRASHED. you made the decision to crash. deadsticks are easy to take care of if you know what you are doing. and there is PEOPLE WALKING THEYRE DOGS ON THE PATH THAT YOU were flying over.
dude that sucks... your plane costs 20 times more than your truck. can't insure your airplane, but you can insure the junk truck
But you don't fly (or drive) what you can't afford to replace.
We had a "recovery plan" long before we headed out as a "maiden" flight is always the highest risk flight. We were flying this plane after only a couple of weeks of repair as parts were already on hand and the recovery efforts resulted in a better and "badder" Beast. (and pilot) lol
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I hope you learn to tune an engine, glide and learn to never fly around people in a public park again.
Shut the f up and go smoke a joint he waited for people to go bye before anything
Damn it happens.. sorry buddy
But all ends well, aj lozano.
The Beast is now a leaner and meaner machine for the experience!
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Thank you for sharing one of our mis-adventures!
May all of your landings be "gear-down".
Glenn
Just about time a dude thinks he has it the sky gods tell you different.
"Sky Gods". I'll have to remember that! And all along I thought "gravity" was my enemy. :-) Thanks for watching, Clinton!
Update...
After one of my July 1st, 2017 flights at the TCRC field, I found my Dubro ball-link throttle linkage to have failed during one of my flights, causing a loss of engine power and a forced "dead-stick" landing. Fortunately, this previous event helped me avoid a repeat finale. A review and reflection of that linkage failure as well as observed fuel consumption rates, has lead me to theorize that THIS dead-stick was caused by a failed linkage and not by an empty tank caused by an improperly set timer. The near-empty fuel tank that I recovered probably had more to due to from the impact and subsequent siphoning out through the fuel vent. I would not have suspected a loose throttle linkage as the impact could have cased that from the firewall separation upon impact.
Since the linkage failure, I have added a 4-40 washer to my throttle linkage hardware as an added level of safety as relying on a nylon coupling in close proximity to a hot muffler is a very poor design choice.
Glenn
Sorry !
Ouch :(
Dang.
Already "fixed" and flying again!
Just a little "hot glue" and it was set to go. LOL
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I already had an unopened kit that I used to bring the Phoenix back to life from the ashes.
Glenn
I feel sad for you
The Beast is a badly designed plane. You can see at slightly reduced sir speed its severe wing rock. Good bycto a bad idea. Sorry Quique.
Oh..........SHIT!