the high rpm for a long time makes it hard for the air cooled engine to stay cool. I had lots of overheating and overheating issues, even after switching to head studs with a copper head gasket. I stepped up to a 459 and its been perfect for 100+ hours of run time and cruises at about 20 with me and the dog up river. only issue is its a little heavy so the you have to be careful slowing down if your running an empty boat or else the wake will come over the transom.
If anyone out there is wondering about this set up I'll vouch for it! , I've got 5 different mud motor set ups and this one is most versatile.. I'm presently setting up a 224 on a " twister " from mudskipper to use as a kicker/shallow water on a 16/48. On my 14/32 I use a 212 on a long tail 8" prop,gets up to 13mph and can run in as little as 5-6 " of water...
@@Yellowlab247_Outdoors The six is fine..maybe slight edge with the 8". It's what I'm running, when I put the 8 on I also added the centrifugal clutch.. Which adds several pounds to back side of motor,which is helpful... Not totally sold on clutch yet.... It produces a lot of heat....so it's eating up what little power it's got. And it'll sometimes slip out a little when doing a long drive . And blade doesn't come to a complete stop. I hope it will " breakin" though I figured that should have happened already... Think the six" would kinda come up out of the water at top speed and seemed to lose a lot of thrust because of that... One thing I recommend is ear plugs!
@@Yellowlab247_OutdoorsI'll add that the twister stays in the water better due to it's a completely different setup... I like the long tail kinda finding it's own place in the water whereas the twister has more of a downward thrust like a conventional outboard and has to push against a bolt stud up at the pivot point... Most all my setups get a longer handle fabrication so I'm not reaching behind myself... I build them so it comes beside me naturally like the arm on your lazyboy..
For a stock 212 probably a 6.5. I'd recommend the 224, more low end torque and better cooling for the same weight. With a 224 maybe able to run a 7 or a 6.5 hurricane prop from swamp runner. I never ran the 212 or the 224 stock so it's hard to say for sure.
I had a clutch on the 212 and 224. After probably 20 hours of run time and the prop never stopped completely. You can use the springs from a normal gocart centrifugal clutch to adjust the grab point. The clutch drum on mine cracked and stopped working. I stepped up to a 459 and don't plan and getting another clutch. It was nice for trolling, but since it never worked as expected and ended up breaking, I don't have the motivation to try another one.
Me too, but had reliability issues with it. Mostly the plastic breaking. I replaced it with the throttle from backwaterinc.com and haven't had any issues with it.
It's nice for quite running when your where you wanna fish and give you a way to reverse since the long tail can't. I also like it as backup Incase of motor issues, but shouldnt have to worry about that if you keep the motor stock
@@poorlybuilt2060 I have used a #0 super high speed mud skipper prop which is equivalent to the smallest swamp Runner bullet prop. Also used a 7.5 hurricane prop which is just about the same speed but easier to handle. It takes a while to get up to speed with the #0, but faster. I can only get up to 4200-4300 RPMs. Think if I had a higher torque cam it would turn better and ever fasted. I don't think these go cart cam, which are designed for wheels, gears and torque converters, work that well with a 1:1 ratio turning a prop and pushing a boat through thick water. I'm looking for cams that a suited for lawn tractor pull competitions. I got up to 25mph with my 1230 Jon boat. I cut the transum down so I could mount the motor inboard like it Thailand. The lower shaft angle gets better speed and easier handling.
i tried a cheap electric amazon pump, and a couple fuel pressure regulator set ups because it kept overpowering the float in the carb. i never had any luck, and ended up switching to a 459cc predator for other reasons and decided to keep the original fuel tank.
Im thinking a Ghost predator 212 .. 6000 rpm... racing prop..
1436 alweld flatbottom
the high rpm for a long time makes it hard for the air cooled engine to stay cool. I had lots of overheating and overheating issues, even after switching to head studs with a copper head gasket. I stepped up to a 459 and its been perfect for 100+ hours of run time and cruises at about 20 with me and the dog up river. only issue is its a little heavy so the you have to be careful slowing down if your running an empty boat or else the wake will come over the transom.
If anyone out there is wondering about this set up I'll vouch for it!
, I've got 5 different mud motor set ups and this one is most versatile..
I'm presently setting up a 224 on a
" twister " from mudskipper to use as a kicker/shallow water on a 16/48.
On my 14/32 I use a 212 on a long tail 8" prop,gets up to 13mph and can run in as little as 5-6 " of water...
I just bought a project beater 1232. I plan to put a 212 on it with the mudskipper kit. Is that what you would recommend? 8” prop you say ?
@@Yellowlab247_Outdoors
The six is fine..maybe slight edge with the 8". It's what I'm running, when I put the 8 on I also added the centrifugal clutch..
Which adds several pounds to back side of motor,which is helpful...
Not totally sold on clutch yet....
It produces a lot of heat....so it's eating up what little power it's got.
And it'll sometimes slip out a little when doing a long drive .
And blade doesn't come to a complete stop.
I hope it will " breakin" though I figured that should have happened already...
Think the six" would kinda come up out of the water at top speed and seemed to lose a lot of thrust because of that...
One thing I recommend is ear plugs!
@@Yellowlab247_OutdoorsI'll add that the twister stays in the water better due to it's a completely different setup...
I like the long tail kinda finding it's own place in the water whereas the twister has more of a downward thrust like a conventional outboard and has to push against a bolt stud up at the pivot point...
Most all my setups get a longer handle fabrication so I'm not reaching behind myself...
I build them so it comes beside me naturally like the arm on your lazyboy..
For a stock 212 probably a 6.5. I'd recommend the 224, more low end torque and better cooling for the same weight. With a 224 maybe able to run a 7 or a 6.5 hurricane prop from swamp runner.
I never ran the 212 or the 224 stock so it's hard to say for sure.
I had a clutch on the 212 and 224. After probably 20 hours of run time and the prop never stopped completely. You can use the springs from a normal gocart centrifugal clutch to adjust the grab point.
The clutch drum on mine cracked and stopped working. I stepped up to a 459 and don't plan and getting another clutch. It was nice for trolling, but since it never worked as expected and ended up breaking, I don't have the motivation to try another one.
Big fan of the throttle cable set up
Me too, but had reliability issues with it. Mostly the plastic breaking. I replaced it with the throttle from backwaterinc.com and haven't had any issues with it.
Will the base long tale fit on the 224
I used the same long tail kit on my 212 and my 224.
Sic i just ordered a pipe and vm22 for my setup
She's gonna rip!
at 10:42 there is two round flat stones. Are they natural formations?
they are actually tires. lots of trash in this part of the river. There is one island even labelled tire island on google maps.
Do you always recommend carrying a trolling motor? I see a lot of guys doing this.
It's nice for quite running when your where you wanna fish and give you a way to reverse since the long tail can't.
I also like it as backup Incase of motor issues, but shouldnt have to worry about that if you keep the motor stock
I like that high torque cam. Seems to do better than my 212 with the mod 2 cam.
What size prop are you running?
I like the setup a lot, but it doesn't seem that different then a stock 212.
@@poorlybuilt2060 I have used a #0 super high speed mud skipper prop which is equivalent to the smallest swamp Runner bullet prop. Also used a 7.5 hurricane prop which is just about the same speed but easier to handle. It takes a while to get up to speed with the #0, but faster. I can only get up to 4200-4300 RPMs. Think if I had a higher torque cam it would turn better and ever fasted. I don't think these go cart cam, which are designed for wheels, gears and torque converters, work that well with a 1:1 ratio turning a prop and pushing a boat through thick water. I'm looking for cams that a suited for lawn tractor pull competitions.
I got up to 25mph with my 1230 Jon boat. I cut the transum down so I could mount the motor inboard like it Thailand. The lower shaft angle gets better speed and easier handling.
Nice video!
Thanks!
How effective is the muffler? Worthwhile upgrade? I’m considering a long tail, but the noise seems a bit obnoxious.
The muffler is louder then stock but flows a lot better. Sounds more like a motorcycle with it.
Stock sounds like a lawnmower.
Hey, did you ever get around to the fuel pump swap you were talking about? If so, what did you end up using?
i tried a cheap electric amazon pump, and a couple fuel pressure regulator set ups because it kept overpowering the float in the carb. i never had any luck, and ended up switching to a 459cc predator for other reasons and decided to keep the original fuel tank.
Nice check us out we live on different but just as awesome lower colorado river
I've watched a bunch of your videos! That's awesome. Glad you watched.
Recently upgraded to a 459 predator so be on the lookout for another video soon