6:02 That's the tragic part. Starscream COULD have won it. He makes a point multiple times of how he is the most adept fighter of the group and is Galvatron's equal in combat. He LETS Galvatron win just to make a point of how he's never wanted power, just someone to listen to him for more than ten seconds.
I love the idea that every time Optimus Prime says "freedom is the right of all sentient beings" he is quoting Megatron. It screams to me that even until the very end that Prime still wants Megatron to return to his former self and once again be a good man, and his best mate.
Well decepticons doing good deeds is like seeing a eclipse, it’s pretty rare, same with the autobots doing bad things since most of the bad actions are in the comics, but the cons still got a kill count of over 100 billion people in those comics anyway
It’s because of the different standards of the two factions. Like, if you go to a Chick-fil-A and they get all your food wrong, it’s more significant than if you go to Wendy’s and they get your food right (at least in my experience).
There is the famous IDW storyline where Prowl time travels back and kills Megatron before being born. This alternate universe gives rise to a Functionist Cybertron where the law of function was absolute. It was a very ghastly and horrible world. More so , after killing Tarn , the Lost Light crew meets a time traveller who had stolen one of Necrobot's cases in a bid to save his friend. Upon encountering him ,Megatron offers to go with him to a pre war cybertron and doesn't resort to violence this time to make change but use his words and ideas which leads to a age of peace and equality , immortalising him as the greatest leader on Cybertron to have ever existed.
You're a little off. its Brainstorm who goes back in time. and he invented the time travel briefcase. and the Necrobot would later acquire one of them himself. which he then used to rescue bots that disappeared from history.
@@sandlax9509 sort of? Rewind killed the Constructed Cold spark that was originally intended for Megatron's first body. and then Whirl stuffed the point 1 percenter spark they found on Luna-1 into Megatron's body making the actual megatron
Megatron actually recognizing the Decepticons had become what they sought to destroy and switching sides in response is an incredible character moment, and I think there's something fascinating about how many of the Decepticons could've been great people if not for how unfair a society they were born into.
Nah a lot of decisions they made later down the line were definitely of their own accord and not as a result of their society (the organic genocides and cyberforming, killing cybertron or using it to destroy the universe, the death camps and destroying their own cities), besides we’ve seen them be in the same situation but still they still kept their morals intact (shattered glass)
And it’s hard to imagine how much they’d be willing to risk given the centuries or even millennia they spent in bondage. In a lot of cases their best way out was death by an accident.
Honestly yes I believe megatron would have become the greatest leader surpassing every prime. He initially stood for many great things honor, respect, hard work, the idea that everyone deserves to have bodily autonomy and freedom of choice. He was loyal and wasn’t to above hearing other opinions and challenging his own to better himself. If it weren’t for shockwave twisting him and his mental break I think he would have had the entire planet at peace and running smoothly.
That and his over-inflated ego. Regardless of Shockwave's meddling or not, if Megatron was willing to co-lead Cybertron with Optimus as brothers instead of war then maybe both together could've sparked a new legacy of Prime lineage.
@@ZackarySchejbalCODBO2RGM2 except that was his original plan was to co-rule with Optimus but shockwave engineered a situation to make megatron think Optimus would betray him.
See when I tell people Thundercracker is my favorite Transformers character they think it’s weird, but this video is proof that Thundercracker is actually an under appreciated character in Transformers. (Also he was the original design for the G1 jet, yes Starscream was originally a recolor of Thundercracker.)
IDW was the only time writers remembered that Thundercracker was on the fence about the Decepticon cause from the beginning. He wasn't just following orders without reason, as stated in the original profile and biography for TC. *Thundercracker is not entirely convinced of the Decepticon cause, especially when it puts innocent lives in danger, but his need for meaning in his life allows him to be persuaded to stay.* It's cool when people look back on small details to write a character with more life and personality. Also the dog gives extra points.
To my knowledge, the two Diaclone toys that became Starscream and Thundercracker (the Jet Machine Robos Fighter Type and Acrobat type, respectively) were originally released at the same time, which suggests they were designed together, not recolors of one another. If one wants to be extra pedantic, the Fighter Type's listed as D-69, while the Acrobat type's D-70, which implies the Starscream one came first. Skywarp and the Rainmakers are the recolors of the mold.
Megatron may not have been the Hero of the IDW continuity, but he sure was the Protagonist. The story (when read in chronological order) started with him, and ended with him. As for Megatron's other noble deeds, in both Armada's and Energon's final episodes (as well as Prime Wars), Megatron sacrificed his life to put an end to Unicron. Unfortunately this just ended up making him stronger in the long game...
I'm shocked that you didn't mention Megatron's deeds and character in Transformers: Prime Wars Trilogy, where not only did he work with "the good guys" but ultimately sacrificed himself to not be controlled by the Unicron Matrix!
You were very close with the girls name in Armada her actual name is Alexis and I definitely agree with you on Armada Starscreams arc which is honestly why Armada Starscream is my favorite Starscream.
I think my own personal gripe with Megatron turning good in IDW is that some continuities, it could definitely work, but I think IDW really shot itself in the foot when it came to “All Hail Megatron”. Like, Megatron being forgiven for that along with all the atrocities he committed, is like the Earth forgiving Zeon for dropping a colony on Australia and killing half of humanity in the One Year War in Mobile Suit Gundam.
Except he was never forgiven, he made amends to have a legacy beyond his years as a warmonger and reconciled with his past self so he could die at peace, but he still ended up on trial and was most likely executed in the end.
In fairness, wasn't it always fellow Cybertronians who granted Megatron amnesty? Optimus, the Lost Light crew... I can't recall any time the comic had Earthlings forgiving him. It's been a while, but I remember all of post-redemption Megatron's adventures taking place in outer space, never Earth.
@@blossom9510 Closest thing was when he took a moment to reflect on humanity when he took on a human holo-matter avatar sent to a fake Earth among the other Lost Light crewmembers to look for a dying Swerve.
@@jonathandrew8562 Well the entire reason Dying of the Light happened was because Megatron refused to allow the DJD to massacre the organics in stasis. That alone should show how his feelings about humans and other organic life.
Megatron is an incredible character that I'm absolutely certain would be *ahem* revolutionary in popular media if only anyone outside of the comics would write an actually interesting script for the Transformers. The castle system of the autobots, the ascenticon revolution, the insidious corruption of the movement by gods favorite villain Shockwave, it's just all so amazing, it really only needs a thoughtful writer to tell a truly epic story of fighting for freedom, losing yourself in paranoia, yet finding redemption through unwavering friends in the end
That's my biggest gripe with the Bayformers. There is so much exceptional source material to work off of. Yet it's all reduced to a mindless brawl, characters are butchered... I don't know, it's like having enormous potential and just refusing to realize it
Thundercracker is my BOY! My favorite decepticon bar none. Because he actually has a moral compass. And when it comes right down to it...he's more like a good guy on the wrong team.
20:20 In retrospect it makes sense that he would be so terfyingly articulate in presenting himself as the most horrible transformer who have ever lived. Idw Megatron was writing poems and manifestos before picking up the gun. Dude knows how to write a monologue. You won't hear overlord describing himself that well.
@@BlooMonkiManI don't know if that's ment to be sarcastic, so I'll answer 😅 Briefly put, in the IDW continuity, when Megatron was starting the uprising in a not so violent way, he got imprisoned, and Whirl beat him to a pulp. That's the event that really cemented the idea that the whole system was corrupted for Megs. It's more of a symbolic moment
Little fun fact you forgot to mention When Megatron says he'd commit genocide on an industrial scale for pure pleasure, he was lying. At that moment, he was trying to provoke Optimus Prime. I think somewhere later down the line, in his Autobot part of his life, he was debating whether or not he really lied when he said that
Megs really feared that, for him, violence was addictive. He nearly cracked over the DJD event and only Terminus' reappearance stopped him going off the rails again, remember?
I’m pretty sure in his conversation with ravage he admitted that as soon as the words left his mouth he realized he meant it, and finally acknowledged that he was a monster.
Didn't Megatron also get his mind screwed with by Froid or some other Mnemosurgeon, and then get assaulted by Whirl's crazy ass? If I'm remembering that right, then Megs might've never become the tyrant he did without those triggering events, on top of all the bullshit with the senate and them screwing over his entire caste during that period. Personally, if Megatron had only elected to wipe out the ruling council/the senate (I can't remember what was more corrupt), and the top brass of their enforcement arm; and made one of his first goals to reverse any truly unjustified cases of Empurata or abolishing the caste system, he'd get my endorsement for Prime status no question. For all we know, those were his original plans before the war warped whatever good ideals he had behind his actions.
I really like soundwave when he turn to ash asking for everyone to help Optimus I got up from my sit and drink a bottle of vodka and wine just like when starscream die by Unicron in transformers armata
Gotta admit the panel with the spirits of the many beloved (and some not so beloved) dead characters coming together to greet him into the afterlife made me tear up
Starscream is awesome, I love every version of him. And by the way you called Soundwave Shockwave a few times. XD And no matter how good Megatron goes I'll never forgive him for his treatment of Starscream.
I'll say this right here that continuity of megatron I say screams the trope that Vader screams. Basically that megatron was the result of the world he lived in, that megatron indirectly made optimus prime, it was his thoughts and opinions that slowly turned orion pax into optimus prime. Though yeah I think if he didnt fall to madness he might have made a good leader and a great prime
A lot of these moments are great writing. Not just because of the specifics of the events themselves, but because they make characters in the Transformers setting(s) a lot more complex, and not just the purely white and black "Autobots = Good & Decepticons = Bad". Even when they don't have big self sacrifice and or redemption moments, they still show this sort of thing when the brotherhood and love they have for one another when a fellow Decepticon dies is on display.
18:30 Honestly I kind of liek the idea of Unicron being Earth, it means they have to deal with this threat in more creative ways. Having Unicron be just a planet bot traveling through space devouring planets means they can beat him in a rather simple way, either by just using the Matrix to destroy him, or by using enough firepower to destroy him, sure he may not truely be dead, but he's less of a threat with his body destroyed. But being Earth you can't just destroy him, as Earth is our home planet, no Human would want to see it detroyed for any reason, even if we could be all evacuated off the planet in time. BEing Earth it means the Transformers have to get more creative, liek in Prime they teamed up with Megatron who would guide them and used the Ground Bridge to go to the core of the Earth inside Unicron, and THEN Optimus unleashed the power of the Matrix directly at Unicron's spark, which either snuffed it out or just caused him to go dormant, sure his Anti-spark the counterpart to Primus's Allspark later rvived Megatron and used him as a vessel in Predacons Rising, but still it was creative how they dealt with him in Prime, heck I'd say Unicron was more interesting in this style then normal, as Unicron was causing massive natural disasters as he was waking up, they had limited time to act, and Unicron could even create expendable smaller avatars of himself just from the Earth's crust, meaning even if he didn't awake, he could attack the Autobots anywhere on Earth. Unicron in Prime was pretty awesome. Hopefully some day when they use Unicron as his own body and not Earth that we can see Primus transform and actually physically fight Unicron in their bot forms. A Planet Bot fight would be so cool to see animated.
The Beast Wars TV show was my childhood, and while the animation hasn't aged well it still holds up well in the story department. And Dinobots last stand was the best thing 12 year old me had ever seen
this video made me rethink my view of thundercracker, hes just so sweet edit: AYOOO MY BOY SOUNDWAVE IS ON HERE.... also man... soundwave and ravage too?... im not crying youre crying
That story about starscream actually becoming leader and earning his title is pretty sad. He even tries to make a few good decisions by not mind controlling his troops, which I know sounds like a “good job for not doing a horrible crime” sentence but instead it shows that version of starscream here wanted respect and a real army that followed him willingly, not a mind controlled zombie army. Regardless he fucks up bad, and Megatron abuses the dude harder than I have ever seen starscrem ever abused. Not in the usual “haha starscream gets hit and abused for being an ass” no, legit it’s just torture here, not even truly deserved to that degree, but I guess Megatron probably just sees it as “starscream took my army and ruined them”.
It says something when the first two listings are public persuasion for deceptions and the third is mainly about saving their own collective chassis and humans just luck out with being saved too. On a list of most noble deeds. Edit: Some Megatrons may start as heroes and even return to being ones, but even they spent so very long as villains. Doing things like putting down the DJD after already telling your forces to cease your war that long stopped being just is a very good thing, but it is only part of the road of penance. Though with how long Cybertronians live, he may be able to properly make amends, if those scales can ever truly be balanced back to neutral or weigh towards good.
To drop one more bit for Megatron, at the end of Armada, after Starscream's sacrifice brings the two armies together for once, Megatron and Optimus start to bicker over whose vision for things will prevail after Unicron is defeated. At the end, Megatron realizes that, because of his heart, well, spark's darkness, Unicron is able to function in the universe (as he is effectively powered by forces of evil within the universe), and that Unicron cannot be truly stopped while he remains functional. This leads to him sacrificing himself, his ambition, his power, everything he had done or planned, so that the universe can be safe from Unicron. When you think about how avidly he rules his Decepticons, and that he willingly gave up leadership over them (effectively turning them over to Optimus for leadership), it definitely speaks to just how much Starscream's own sacrifice changed him. And to think that the last thing he said was 'Goodbye' to Optimus.
Megatron would've been a revolutionary, a legend, worshipped for countless generations... ... If he hadn't given in to his lust for power. If he had refrained, and kept in mind the greater good, he would've been a god. Optimus himself agreed with him, and even defended him, but the corrupt council at the time refused to listen. It's to be argued that Optimus doesn't deserve to be a Prime. That the only reason he is, is due to the corruption wanting to perpetuate the status quo. Perhaps Megatron couldve... Or, even should've... Been the next Prime after all.
In my school vr game thundercracker most heroic moment is during the event of awakening of the trailblazers he assisted celestial being in the fight against the els and ultimately was accidentally heavily by the gundam zabayna and megatron he and I'm not joking agreed to assist with the decepticons in the assault of the unicorn fortress
i’d just like to say that Megatron’s time as an Autobot is the single greatest character arc in comic book history. it’s such an absolutely ridiculous idea that, to me, worked out so well i couldn’t believe it when i was reading Lost Light monthly.
As great a character as Armada Starscream was, I can't help but feel that they just wanted to recreate the success of the Beast Wars character Dinobot when they wrote him 🤔
As good as Armada Starscream was, I don't think he quite hits Dinobot's tier. Main thing holding him back in my eye is that the show kinda rushed through his time with the Autobots, and we only see him form a bond with the kids (the only one of which that matters being Alexis). Had he stayed with the Autobots longer and we got to see him bond with the entire team, that probably would put him on Dinobot's level in my eyes.
You should do a video about all the Transformers who switched sides Or all the time Optimus and Megatron/All the times autobots and decepticons teamed up
The worst part about starscream in the all hail megatron/IDW series is that he *could* have saved them. The issues were mostly from infighting and not listening to starscream. He payed for their incompetence.
Man, Armada Starscream was my Starscream, the first i ever met and the first fictional character to claim a tear from my eyes, Autobot Megatron being currently the last one to claim a few of those
I’ll alway see megatron as a hero who fell to his own rage who did the right thing but was eventually corrupted twisting the original meaning of his purpose
Its pretty admirable that when Megatron was being repaired, he tried to earn leadership through respect and willingness, but then it all fell apart. This guy can not catch a break.
Honestly always loved that Megatron is the hero thing. It messes with my friend sense he loves optimus prime so much. Him breaking down a corrupt government an in the end became corrupt is just beautiful.
21:32 Huh, so D-16 is also a further insult to Megatron since he is supposed to be a miner who, well... *"digs"* huh... I'm only realising this now after learning that he was called D-16 in the new Tranformers One animated movie.
Speaking of Decepticons, Megatron is hopping onto Death Battle Against Dragonball's Frieza with him being a Composited G1 "which includes both his IDW and Marvel Comic appearances as well as the G1 Cartoon"
There was that other G1 episode where Megatron helped Optimus Prime to stop the powered up by eating a nuclear reactor Insecticons from exploding and destroying a military base...sure,Megatron caused the whole thing,but he also helped stop it too.
20:20 megatron didn't actually mean what he said in another issue he stated he said that to piss off prime so that he'll kill him and cross his moral compass
He admitted that before he said it it was supposed to just mess with Prime but as the words came out of his mouth he realized he did in fact mean them at the time.
yknow what... that version of thundercracker that wrote screenplays... i'd buy him a..drum of macadam's oil? i dunno i just think it's funny but also very sweet.. thundercracker should officially join the autobots
i just realised your still making transformers content in 2023..... you doin gods work- fuck 16:25 got me weeping when you explained what he said and what it ment
Honestly, starscream is a tragic character, but there are so many iterations, and the story can easily be derailed. But, I still think he is one of the most complex characters in the franchise.
The Shattered Glass version of Megatron confirms the what if scenario of what if Megatron never turned evil, although in that universe Optimus Prime became evil instead.
I remember when I WACH the G1 transformers in Spanish a scene when Optimus say: you are old Megatron I will turn you into scrap metal and Megatron say: SCRAP METAL YOUR GRANDMA Lol was a funny scene 😂
6:02
That's the tragic part. Starscream COULD have won it. He makes a point multiple times of how he is the most adept fighter of the group and is Galvatron's equal in combat. He LETS Galvatron win just to make a point of how he's never wanted power, just someone to listen to him for more than ten seconds.
I love the idea that every time Optimus Prime says "freedom is the right of all sentient beings" he is quoting Megatron. It screams to me that even until the very end that Prime still wants Megatron to return to his former self and once again be a good man, and his best mate.
You got it in one. That's exactly how he feels. And that's also like he still uses megatron's own old motto as his own System of belief
Optimus is a fool for believing the council.
@@lornbaker1083 hi dude how are you
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"You're all mine, Unicron!" The dying words of a fucking *HERO*
I am only saying this once, I salute you, Starscream
I like how When the Decepticons do noble deeds its very wholesome But when the Autobots do terrible things it makes you question their insignia
cough cough Prowl cough cough
@@dkkanofkash8798 definitely prowl
Well decepticons doing good deeds is like seeing a eclipse, it’s pretty rare, same with the autobots doing bad things since most of the bad actions are in the comics, but the cons still got a kill count of over 100 billion people in those comics anyway
It’s because of the different standards of the two factions. Like, if you go to a Chick-fil-A and they get all your food wrong, it’s more significant than if you go to Wendy’s and they get your food right (at least in my experience).
@@2bdaqueen268 interesting metaphor
Starscream was probably the most noble yet disrespected decepticon, both Armada and 2005 IDW versions. Sad guy.
Yeah and underrated
They were really great versions of the character.
Loved the Armada Starscream.
someone forgot thundercracker.
I hope we Get More Armada Starscream. I really do.. I love that Starscream.
There is the famous IDW storyline where Prowl time travels back and kills Megatron before being born. This alternate universe gives rise to a Functionist Cybertron where the law of function was absolute. It was a very ghastly and horrible world.
More so , after killing Tarn , the Lost Light crew meets a time traveller who had stolen one of Necrobot's cases in a bid to save his friend. Upon encountering him ,Megatron offers to go with him to a pre war cybertron and doesn't resort to violence this time to make change but use his words and ideas which leads to a age of peace and equality , immortalising him as the greatest leader on Cybertron to have ever existed.
You're a little off. its Brainstorm who goes back in time. and he invented the time travel briefcase. and the Necrobot would later acquire one of them himself. which he then used to rescue bots that disappeared from history.
@@walterlopez5054 It was quite ironic ,as his rescue act was inevitably the cause of their disappearances.
wasn't it rewind who killed megs?
@@sandlax9509 sort of? Rewind killed the Constructed Cold spark that was originally intended for Megatron's first body. and then Whirl stuffed the point 1 percenter spark they found on Luna-1 into Megatron's body making the actual megatron
@@sandlax9509 hi dude how are you
Megatron actually recognizing the Decepticons had become what they sought to destroy and switching sides in response is an incredible character moment, and I think there's something fascinating about how many of the Decepticons could've been great people if not for how unfair a society they were born into.
Nah a lot of decisions they made later down the line were definitely of their own accord and not as a result of their society (the organic genocides and cyberforming, killing cybertron or using it to destroy the universe, the death camps and destroying their own cities), besides we’ve seen them be in the same situation but still they still kept their morals intact (shattered glass)
And it’s hard to imagine how much they’d be willing to risk given the centuries or even millennia they spent in bondage. In a lot of cases their best way out was death by an accident.
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@@aaroncohen2700 great to hear so can I ask you something please
Megatron was a fallen hero that lost his way and became so obsessed that he turned into what he wanted to fight against.
Honestly yes I believe megatron would have become the greatest leader surpassing every prime. He initially stood for many great things honor, respect, hard work, the idea that everyone deserves to have bodily autonomy and freedom of choice. He was loyal and wasn’t to above hearing other opinions and challenging his own to better himself. If it weren’t for shockwave twisting him and his mental break I think he would have had the entire planet at peace and running smoothly.
That and his over-inflated ego. Regardless of Shockwave's meddling or not, if Megatron was willing to co-lead Cybertron with Optimus as brothers instead of war then maybe both together could've sparked a new legacy of Prime lineage.
@@ZackarySchejbalCODBO2RGM2 except that was his original plan was to co-rule with Optimus but shockwave engineered a situation to make megatron think Optimus would betray him.
That monologue MNP quoted has to be the most metal thing I've ever heard from any villain.
@@ZackarySchejbalCODBO2RGM2 hi dude how are you
See when I tell people Thundercracker is my favorite Transformers character they think it’s weird, but this video is proof that Thundercracker is actually an under appreciated character in Transformers. (Also he was the original design for the G1 jet, yes Starscream was originally a recolor of Thundercracker.)
I honestly didn't know about all this stuff, but fair choice when you take this into account. Besides, he was quite entertaining in Cybertron.
IDW was the only time writers remembered that Thundercracker was on the fence about the Decepticon cause from the beginning. He wasn't just following orders without reason, as stated in the original profile and biography for TC.
*Thundercracker is not entirely convinced of the Decepticon cause, especially when it puts innocent lives in danger, but his need for meaning in his life allows him to be persuaded to stay.*
It's cool when people look back on small details to write a character with more life and personality.
Also the dog gives extra points.
To my knowledge, the two Diaclone toys that became Starscream and Thundercracker (the Jet Machine Robos Fighter Type and Acrobat type, respectively) were originally released at the same time, which suggests they were designed together, not recolors of one another.
If one wants to be extra pedantic, the Fighter Type's listed as D-69, while the Acrobat type's D-70, which implies the Starscream one came first.
Skywarp and the Rainmakers are the recolors of the mold.
Dude after seeing this Thundercracker lived his best life after that nuke. This man had a Forest Gump moment and it warmed my heart
A decepticon with a dog that he loves, sold.
Megatron may not have been the Hero of the IDW continuity, but he sure was the Protagonist. The story (when read in chronological order) started with him, and ended with him.
As for Megatron's other noble deeds, in both Armada's and Energon's final episodes (as well as Prime Wars), Megatron sacrificed his life to put an end to Unicron. Unfortunately this just ended up making him stronger in the long game...
I love how starscream can be so horrible yet so nice.
It's a Christmas Miricle! 😂😂😂
I'm shocked that you didn't mention Megatron's deeds and character in Transformers: Prime Wars Trilogy, where not only did he work with "the good guys" but ultimately sacrificed himself to not be controlled by the Unicron Matrix!
True, that was a biggie, but I'm sure I'll come back to it
That honestly made me cry a bit
You were very close with the girls name in Armada her actual name is Alexis and I definitely agree with you on Armada Starscreams arc which is honestly why Armada Starscream is my favorite Starscream.
I think my own personal gripe with Megatron turning good in IDW is that some continuities, it could definitely work, but I think IDW really shot itself in the foot when it came to “All Hail Megatron”. Like, Megatron being forgiven for that along with all the atrocities he committed, is like the Earth forgiving Zeon for dropping a colony on Australia and killing half of humanity in the One Year War in Mobile Suit Gundam.
Zeon is low key kind of the US fighting the British in the revolution.
Just with more devastating tactics available to them.
Except he was never forgiven, he made amends to have a legacy beyond his years as a warmonger and reconciled with his past self so he could die at peace, but he still ended up on trial and was most likely executed in the end.
In fairness, wasn't it always fellow Cybertronians who granted Megatron amnesty? Optimus, the Lost Light crew... I can't recall any time the comic had Earthlings forgiving him. It's been a while, but I remember all of post-redemption Megatron's adventures taking place in outer space, never Earth.
@@blossom9510 Closest thing was when he took a moment to reflect on humanity when he took on a human holo-matter avatar sent to a fake Earth among the other Lost Light crewmembers to look for a dying Swerve.
@@jonathandrew8562 Well the entire reason Dying of the Light happened was because Megatron refused to allow the DJD to massacre the organics in stasis. That alone should show how his feelings about humans and other organic life.
Starscream’s sacrifice was hard to watch as a kid he was my first introduction to the character and was one of my favourites from Armada
Does watching him in G1 and Tf Prime changes your mind at all?
Oh Prime is my all time favourite incarnation of the silver tongued backstabber I love that version of Screamer
I too love the Armada Starscream.
Wish that version could come up more
Megatron is an incredible character that I'm absolutely certain would be *ahem* revolutionary in popular media if only anyone outside of the comics would write an actually interesting script for the Transformers. The castle system of the autobots, the ascenticon revolution, the insidious corruption of the movement by gods favorite villain Shockwave, it's just all so amazing, it really only needs a thoughtful writer to tell a truly epic story of fighting for freedom, losing yourself in paranoia, yet finding redemption through unwavering friends in the end
That's my biggest gripe with the Bayformers. There is so much exceptional source material to work off of. Yet it's all reduced to a mindless brawl, characters are butchered... I don't know, it's like having enormous potential and just refusing to realize it
Thundercracker is my BOY!
My favorite decepticon bar none.
Because he actually has a moral compass.
And when it comes right down to it...he's more like a good guy on the wrong team.
If you think about it
He should be with the Autobots instead of the Decepticons
@Tari_10_Editz Exactly!!!! 💯
20:20 In retrospect it makes sense that he would be so terfyingly articulate in presenting himself as the most horrible transformer who have ever lived.
Idw Megatron was writing poems and manifestos before picking up the gun. Dude knows how to write a monologue.
You won't hear overlord describing himself that well.
I blame Whirl for being the final straw that turned the poem writing Megatron into the ruthless, murderous Warlord.
@@President_Starscream What did Whirl do again, Screamer?
@@BlooMonkiManI don't know if that's ment to be sarcastic, so I'll answer 😅
Briefly put, in the IDW continuity, when Megatron was starting the uprising in a not so violent way, he got imprisoned, and Whirl beat him to a pulp. That's the event that really cemented the idea that the whole system was corrupted for Megs. It's more of a symbolic moment
I could totally imagine starscream after being hyper-blasted by unicron having a sticky note drop out of him saying “I told ya so”
Who doesn't love a well deserved redemption arc
Decepticon justice division
Overlord
That hannibal lecter autobot
The fallen
Live action comic thundercracker
Etc
Little fun fact you forgot to mention
When Megatron says he'd commit genocide on an industrial scale for pure pleasure, he was lying. At that moment, he was trying to provoke Optimus Prime.
I think somewhere later down the line, in his Autobot part of his life, he was debating whether or not he really lied when he said that
Megs really feared that, for him, violence was addictive. He nearly cracked over the DJD event and only Terminus' reappearance stopped him going off the rails again, remember?
I’m pretty sure in his conversation with ravage he admitted that as soon as the words left his mouth he realized he meant it, and finally acknowledged that he was a monster.
Didn't Megatron also get his mind screwed with by Froid or some other Mnemosurgeon, and then get assaulted by Whirl's crazy ass? If I'm remembering that right, then Megs might've never become the tyrant he did without those triggering events, on top of all the bullshit with the senate and them screwing over his entire caste during that period. Personally, if Megatron had only elected to wipe out the ruling council/the senate (I can't remember what was more corrupt), and the top brass of their enforcement arm; and made one of his first goals to reverse any truly unjustified cases of Empurata or abolishing the caste system, he'd get my endorsement for Prime status no question. For all we know, those were his original plans before the war warped whatever good ideals he had behind his actions.
And this all happened because of a straw.
the seekers being made to look like starscream so that starscream could dodge taxes is the funniest yet saddest shit ever
I really like soundwave when he turn to ash asking for everyone to help Optimus I got up from my sit and drink a bottle of vodka and wine just like when starscream die by Unicron in transformers armata
Gotta admit the panel with the spirits of the many beloved (and some not so beloved) dead characters coming together to greet him into the afterlife made me tear up
The best part of Skywarp joining GI Joe is seeing him shout out “Yo Joe!”
Starscream is awesome, I love every version of him. And by the way you called Soundwave Shockwave a few times. XD And no matter how good Megatron goes I'll never forgive him for his treatment of Starscream.
Yeah I mix the names up all the time. Plus I'm starting on a vid about shockwave so he was obvs in the back of my mind lol
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I'll say this right here that continuity of megatron I say screams the trope that Vader screams. Basically that megatron was the result of the world he lived in, that megatron indirectly made optimus prime, it was his thoughts and opinions that slowly turned orion pax into optimus prime. Though yeah I think if he didnt fall to madness he might have made a good leader and a great prime
Man Thundercracker’s character in IDW is why he is one of my favorite Decepticons in Transformers
A lot of these moments are great writing. Not just because of the specifics of the events themselves, but because they make characters in the Transformers setting(s) a lot more complex, and not just the purely white and black "Autobots = Good & Decepticons = Bad". Even when they don't have big self sacrifice and or redemption moments, they still show this sort of thing when the brotherhood and love they have for one another when a fellow Decepticon dies is on display.
13:25 the lovable dog Buster in a bowtie and showing pride and love for his master Thundercrcker.
I loved the dinky spacesuit he sourced for her (yes, Buster is a girl).
18:30 Honestly I kind of liek the idea of Unicron being Earth, it means they have to deal with this threat in more creative ways. Having Unicron be just a planet bot traveling through space devouring planets means they can beat him in a rather simple way, either by just using the Matrix to destroy him, or by using enough firepower to destroy him, sure he may not truely be dead, but he's less of a threat with his body destroyed. But being Earth you can't just destroy him, as Earth is our home planet, no Human would want to see it detroyed for any reason, even if we could be all evacuated off the planet in time. BEing Earth it means the Transformers have to get more creative, liek in Prime they teamed up with Megatron who would guide them and used the Ground Bridge to go to the core of the Earth inside Unicron, and THEN Optimus unleashed the power of the Matrix directly at Unicron's spark, which either snuffed it out or just caused him to go dormant, sure his Anti-spark the counterpart to Primus's Allspark later rvived Megatron and used him as a vessel in Predacons Rising, but still it was creative how they dealt with him in Prime, heck I'd say Unicron was more interesting in this style then normal, as Unicron was causing massive natural disasters as he was waking up, they had limited time to act, and Unicron could even create expendable smaller avatars of himself just from the Earth's crust, meaning even if he didn't awake, he could attack the Autobots anywhere on Earth. Unicron in Prime was pretty awesome. Hopefully some day when they use Unicron as his own body and not Earth that we can see Primus transform and actually physically fight Unicron in their bot forms. A Planet Bot fight would be so cool to see animated.
The Beast Wars TV show was my childhood, and while the animation hasn't aged well it still holds up well in the story department.
And Dinobots last stand was the best thing 12 year old me had ever seen
Soundwave loving elephants was something I never knew I needed in my life.
15:57 this looks cool, this would look really cool in a movie or a modern transformers game.
Who thought Scourge cared about road safety so much!
this video made me rethink my view of thundercracker, hes just so sweet
edit: AYOOO MY BOY SOUNDWAVE IS ON HERE.... also man... soundwave and ravage too?... im not crying youre crying
That story about starscream actually becoming leader and earning his title is pretty sad. He even tries to make a few good decisions by not mind controlling his troops, which I know sounds like a “good job for not doing a horrible crime” sentence but instead it shows that version of starscream here wanted respect and a real army that followed him willingly, not a mind controlled zombie army. Regardless he fucks up bad, and Megatron abuses the dude harder than I have ever seen starscrem ever abused. Not in the usual “haha starscream gets hit and abused for being an ass” no, legit it’s just torture here, not even truly deserved to that degree, but I guess Megatron probably just sees it as “starscream took my army and ruined them”.
lol, Autobots and cons just warring it out. Meanwhile Thundercracker is just vibin
at 21:00 don't forget Megatron teaming up with Optimus prime to take out sentinel prime
It says something when the first two listings are public persuasion for deceptions and the third is mainly about saving their own collective chassis and humans just luck out with being saved too. On a list of most noble deeds.
Edit: Some Megatrons may start as heroes and even return to being ones, but even they spent so very long as villains. Doing things like putting down the DJD after already telling your forces to cease your war that long stopped being just is a very good thing, but it is only part of the road of penance. Though with how long Cybertronians live, he may be able to properly make amends, if those scales can ever truly be balanced back to neutral or weigh towards good.
To drop one more bit for Megatron, at the end of Armada, after Starscream's sacrifice brings the two armies together for once, Megatron and Optimus start to bicker over whose vision for things will prevail after Unicron is defeated. At the end, Megatron realizes that, because of his heart, well, spark's darkness, Unicron is able to function in the universe (as he is effectively powered by forces of evil within the universe), and that Unicron cannot be truly stopped while he remains functional. This leads to him sacrificing himself, his ambition, his power, everything he had done or planned, so that the universe can be safe from Unicron. When you think about how avidly he rules his Decepticons, and that he willingly gave up leadership over them (effectively turning them over to Optimus for leadership), it definitely speaks to just how much Starscream's own sacrifice changed him. And to think that the last thing he said was 'Goodbye' to Optimus.
0:36 laserbeak really wanted to hurt that man
Megatron would've been a revolutionary, a legend, worshipped for countless generations...
... If he hadn't given in to his lust for power. If he had refrained, and kept in mind the greater good, he would've been a god.
Optimus himself agreed with him, and even defended him, but the corrupt council at the time refused to listen.
It's to be argued that Optimus doesn't deserve to be a Prime. That the only reason he is, is due to the corruption wanting to perpetuate the status quo.
Perhaps Megatron couldve... Or, even should've... Been the next Prime after all.
nice timing when youtube ad pops right after harrison ford saying "and the awards goes to... " 13:20
In my school vr game thundercracker most heroic moment is during the event of awakening of the trailblazers he assisted celestial being in the fight against the els and ultimately was accidentally heavily by the gundam zabayna and megatron he and I'm not joking agreed to assist with the decepticons in the assault of the unicorn fortress
i’d just like to say that Megatron’s time as an Autobot is the single greatest character arc in comic book history. it’s such an absolutely ridiculous idea that, to me, worked out so well i couldn’t believe it when i was reading Lost Light monthly.
It was awesome watching the premiere. Excellent work man.
thanks buddy, hopefully I'll catch you at the next one
Absolutely! If I can make it, no doubt I’ll be there man. You’re very quickly becoming one of my favourite TH-camrs.
Man, I love Thundercracker's story
As great a character as Armada Starscream was, I can't help but feel that they just wanted to recreate the success of the Beast Wars character Dinobot when they wrote him 🤔
As good as Armada Starscream was, I don't think he quite hits Dinobot's tier. Main thing holding him back in my eye is that the show kinda rushed through his time with the Autobots, and we only see him form a bond with the kids (the only one of which that matters being Alexis). Had he stayed with the Autobots longer and we got to see him bond with the entire team, that probably would put him on Dinobot's level in my eyes.
16:30 Absolution is a purge of guilt, obligation, or punishment.
Which means he was letting go of everything for one last chance.
I think Megatron will be a good leader like in Shattered Glass but corruption got to him like in the other series
You should do a video about all the Transformers who switched sides
Or all the time Optimus and Megatron/All the times autobots and decepticons teamed up
It's on the cards! Probably next month
Dinobot sacrificing himself in Beast Wars to keep Megatron from destroying humanity's early ancestors was a really noble moment.
14:29 The kids screaming was so perfect to the reaction of the reporters death 😂
If you read the thumbnail it say "Starscream died save us Unicron"
Ya know...I'd love to see Thundercracker's character arc in a Transformers movie...
Pretty please, Paramount...?
I gotta ad right before the Oscar cut
that's annoying
he accidentally referred soundwave as shockwave
hmmm thats true, I'm working on a shockwave vid too so I got my wires crossed
The worst part about starscream in the all hail megatron/IDW series is that he *could* have saved them. The issues were mostly from infighting and not listening to starscream.
He payed for their incompetence.
Man, Armada Starscream was my Starscream, the first i ever met and the first fictional character to claim a tear from my eyes, Autobot Megatron being currently the last one to claim a few of those
I’ll alway see megatron as a hero who fell to his own rage who did the right thing but was eventually corrupted twisting the original meaning of his purpose
Megs did something similar in TFP. Because of Unicron, he remembered what it was like to be oppressed and he also disbanded the Decepticons.
15:27 my man said shockwave two times by mistake💀
1:36 “Spread out and clean the forest” I’m dieing 😂😂
We need a thundercracker and buster show
Its pretty admirable that when Megatron was being repaired, he tried to earn leadership through respect and willingness, but then it all fell apart.
This guy can not catch a break.
You are dropping some of the best TF content on TH-cam right now, love it.
Idw is why thundercracker is one of my favorite transformers
My favorite version of Starscream is a Starscream that is an ass selfish and has a moral code that he's willing to follow
If you ask me, the amount of loyalty Soundwave shows to Megatron makes me think that Soundwave was Megatron's best friend before the war started.
Honestly always loved that Megatron is the hero thing. It messes with my friend sense he loves optimus prime so much. Him breaking down a corrupt government an in the end became corrupt is just beautiful.
21:32 Huh, so D-16 is also a further insult to Megatron since he is supposed to be a miner who, well... *"digs"* huh... I'm only realising this now after learning that he was called D-16 in the new Tranformers One animated movie.
Speaking of Decepticons, Megatron is hopping onto Death Battle Against Dragonball's Frieza with him being a Composited G1 "which includes both his IDW and Marvel Comic appearances as well as the G1 Cartoon"
I love it how another Decepticon threaten thundercreaker’s dog and he put that bot in his place.
There was that other G1 episode where Megatron helped Optimus Prime to stop the powered up by eating a nuclear reactor Insecticons from exploding and destroying a military base...sure,Megatron caused the whole thing,but he also helped stop it too.
I need a Thundercracker series where he gets his own entertainment studio called Buster Entertainment
Thunder cracker is living life better than me 😤😤😤😤
Man, I hurt for Starscream in that Megatron Spotlight comic especially
Poor guy . . .
20:20 megatron didn't actually mean what he said in another issue he stated he said that to piss off prime so that he'll kill him and cross his moral compass
He admitted that before he said it it was supposed to just mess with Prime but as the words came out of his mouth he realized he did in fact mean them at the time.
yknow what... that version of thundercracker that wrote screenplays... i'd buy him a..drum of macadam's oil? i dunno i just think it's funny but also very sweet.. thundercracker should officially join the autobots
i just realised your still making transformers content in 2023..... you doin gods work-
fuck 16:25 got me weeping when you explained what he said and what it ment
If it's not Megatron, Optimus Prime won't even been built.
do you mean when he got shockwave to put a matrix holder in orions chest?
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Either that or that episode in G1 where Megs went on rampage and shot Orion Pax thus led Alpha Trion rebuilt him as Optimus Prime
i want to become friends with thundercracker
Huffer is Groot? (That part almost killed me!)
Thundercracker is the best Decepticon! I love him.
Wen soundwave fought tarn I thought it was because tarn killed ravage and he wanted revenge. that would had more sense
Honestly, starscream is a tragic character, but there are so many iterations, and the story can easily be derailed.
But, I still think he is one of the most complex characters in the franchise.
That altenate reality where good and evil sides are reversed, sounds interesting. I wonder what that Megatron is like.
17:43 A sad part of this panel is that soundwave felt ravage's spark join the allspark
18:30 that bit with unicron caught me off guard XD
damn thundercracker is even better then the autobots here god damn!
MrNormalPerson: Could Megatron be the hero of the story?
Also Megatron: I will kill every single autobot because it will bring me pleasure.
Thundercracker just seems like a nice guy
“Most noble deeds of the decepticons” (becomes autobot)
That or they become neutral lol
Thunder Cracker one is amazing
My man called sound wave shockwave
The Shattered Glass version of Megatron confirms the what if scenario of what if Megatron never turned evil, although in that universe Optimus Prime became evil instead.
I remember when I WACH the G1 transformers in Spanish a scene when
Optimus say: you are old Megatron I will turn you into scrap metal
and Megatron say: SCRAP METAL YOUR GRANDMA
Lol was a funny scene 😂
17:32 no matter the species no matter the scenario no matter the universe you end a being’s companion you will feel the wrath of a thousand primes