The thing is, the decepticons actually started out as the good guys. But over time, Megatron seems to have lost sight of what he was actually fighting for and ended up becoming the very thing he hated.
Considering how renegade Decepticons were a thing, creating a military police force to capture, punish and either exile or execute rogue Decepticons and other loose cannons seems logical.
For me, the worst thing is when a person commits crimes, but does it out of good intentions and genuinely doesn't understand what's wrong. Sunder is an obvious maniac, but a person like Getaway is much more unsettling to me simply because of his twisted understanding of morality and goodness
the thing i like about transformers is that even though it looks like good vs evil on the surface, it is just a civil war between two political parties and a few 3rd party groups.
@Bthsr71 well yes but it is still better plot than the generic comic book good vs. evil. Some autobots are genuine psychos and some decepticons are warriors who believe in the wrong cause. Nuances are what makes fiction enjoyable to me.
I always like how transformers doesn't just write all autobots as heroes they can range from being borderline saints to well meaning jerks all the way to just pieces of shit in it for they're own reasons and everything in between it makes the characters ironically enough seem more human
@@ReigoVassal I mean both sides have some monsters I think just a lot of franchises tend to write all the "good guys" as heroes with little to no real flaws or variations
@@GR-ic7mt because hypocrites aren’t characters that we like to follow Imagine bumblebee killed people to “show he has mistakes” and then tried to save people later in the movie
I love how in Transformers, because they're robots, the writers have an excuse to insert some of the most heinous,disturbing, and brutal acts of violence imaginable. Like you can survive the battle against a giant world ending threat only to be torn apart by demons.
Didn’t that actually happen in IDW? Somebot survived past the defeat of Unicron only for immediately after Unicron died the ground beneath him to opened up and he was dragged to Cybertronion Hell for like no reason? 😂
Prowl asking Tarantulas to nuke a city, frame Decepticons, and recruit the survivors, might have had worse consequences than one might think. The Decepticons didn't start out as an army of monsters, but were turned that way by millions of years of escalation. One can only imagine how the faction changed after they found out about Prowl's scheme.
Prowl did some other stuff after the war. Used Arcee as an assassin to eliminate those he deemed inconvenient to the fragile peace(I think Ratbat was one). He then just kept right on manipulating until he was finally banished for basically being more sketchy than Starscream. And after the Autobots rescued Kup, Prowl asked Perceptor to “fix” him so that Prowl could feed strategic suggestions through Kup, a legend the Autobots respected, so that they’d finally listen to Prowl.
@@Lov3lyMoon naw Prowl is fully aware he’s a monster and what he does is wrong, he just think the ends justify the means and that all he’s does is for the ‘greater hood’ and if he has to get his hands dirty so be it
Don’t forget that, at one point, Prowl was being mind-controlled by Bombshell who repressed the Autobot’s already grey morality and gave the dark side free rein. What interested me more was that some of the other Autobots didn’t notice while those that did tried to justify what he was up to rather than trying to stop him.
I think the most significant indicator that the Autobots are not as noble as they make themselves out is the "Last Stand of the Wreckers" mini-series. The wreckers were sent to investigate Garrus-9, a prison planet, seized by Overlord. It was eventually revealed that the true mission was to obtain Aequitas that was housed on the Garrus-9. Aequitas was a supercomputer designed by the Autobots to act as an impartial judge for war crimes. Yep, war crimes from morphcore harvests, and civilian executions, to rust injections. The Autobots being tried gave the Decepticons a run for their money in acts of cruelty and sadism. When Aequitas finally came to a verdict the Autobots agreed that it would be an absolute PR nightmare for them and opted to have the verdicts sealed and buried on Garrus-9.
@@murilopenagoncalves3831 I don't recall Optimus nearly getting killed being part of Starscream's plan. And Starscream, apart from killing all humans, did follow through on his bargain, i think. I just think that Sunstreaker just wasn't prepared for the consequences of that success that would happen after.
I didn’t know the Autobots had done anything that could be considered war crimes, but hearing that they did makes me think about real world situations where the winner of a war didn’t tell what they did to the loser, or what atrocities they committed during and after it. So basically, thank you for bringing this to light.
It's a bit telling that Prowl had one of Bombshells Cerebro Shells in his head for ages and no one even suspected something was amiss... He also had a heart to heart with Shockwave that started "People like us...."
I thought that Flame from Marvel UK would be on the list as the first ever evil Autobot. Megatron had an idea to turn Cybertron into a ship, Flame thought that it was a great idea, so he got to work on it and made a zombie army to keep him and his work safe. He was only defeated by the zombie of Impactor recovering his mind.
This came to mind for me too, mostly because any time someone mentions impactor I think of the zombie. I also couldn't remember if zombie Impactor ended up on the "killed someone while mind controlled" list but Flame actually stops him from killing anyone because he wants witnesses to his success.
@@_Muzolf It would be a repeating event. Galvatron taking it back, then Rodimus taken it back while Paradron will up end up looking like burnout Char and ruin Cybertron after the great war with no energon to fuel them. As they say: In war, there are casualties.
I feel like to even this out you should maker a " most heroic/good things the deceptions did " Cause they've done about as much good as the bots have done pure evil
IDW brainstorm was also responsible for the birth of Megatron. Megatron was an MTO like Getaway, Constructed Cold and rewind shot him in his spark while he was offline in the factory. brainstorm gave the body the point one percenter spark he found that was green (megatron has a green spark) and he became the Megatron we all know. despite him having a constructed cold body, Megatron has an original Forged spark.
That was actually Whirl. After Rewind destroyed the original Spark of Megs with one shot, reasoning that while the Funktionists would pretty much hammer the Cybertronians, at least the rest of the universe would be safe from their war. Whirl, on the other hand, saw it a bit differently, as the Funktionists gave him Empurata because he changed jobs (from soldier to watchmaker). With the survival of the Funktionists, they would have had the last laugh according to Whirl, thus Whirl stole the green Spark that Brainstorm had found earlier and installed it into Megatron.
There is no such thing as a purely virtuous side in a war. This is especially true of the war between the Autobots and Decepticons who have been at war for millions of years.
Funny enough I really like Bayverse Optimus Hes not some super noble SuperHero robot from space Nope, Bayverse Optimus is actually a proper Autobot warlord thats damn near unstoppable
Bay verse was actually kinda justified considering his enemies commit attempted universal domination, genocide, enslavement, and hunted his allies down.
@@duplicitduplicate7206 I was joking. I actually really love this gritty and realistic portrayal of an Optimus Prime who’s just so done with war. Just surprised he wasn’t even mentioned in the video for the sake of the Optimus Warcrime memes.
@@duplicitduplicate7206 I mean every version of the Decepticons does that so Bay Prime can't have that excuse, heck the war in the Bayverse is actually the shortest in years and smallest in scale in the franchise.
I'm kind of surprised no mention was made towards that episode in G1 where they transplanted Spike's brain into a bot "made of spare parts". They had no reason for doing that, Spike's life wasn't in danger, they just wanted to see what would happen. That episode genuinely gave me NIGHTMARES.
I always referred to that monstrosity as "Franken-Spike' and it was absolutely horrific. Really makes you question Wheeljack and Ratchet's morality, or lack thereof.
To be fair, the Autobots, while trying to help Spike, messed up due to a lack of knowledge in human biology, and had to do that till his body had recovered enough for his brain to get re-transplanted back into Spike's body
Ah war crimes committed by the Autobots the stuff that got me hooked onto Transformers comics. Such great storytelling. Also Getaway should’ve been number 1.
that one with optimus sacrificing autobots to lure megatron to ancient earth. I see that as a neccessary evil from a bot who ran out of options, he was losing the war, and was likely running out of men, ideas, and resources. It'd be different if that was his first plan, but it was likely his last plan to save cybertron he basically went down with the ship, because he saw it as the only way cybertron could survive even if he wouldnt be able to see it rebuild.
Nah nah nah Imma defend Impactor on that first one, dude gets sent out to catch criminals and in this quest most of his friends get killed by said heinous criminals but despite it all he pulls through just to have his pencil pusher of a boss tell him to let them go... BECAUSE OF FUCKING BUREAUCRACY !?! What was he supposed to do, just let mass murderers go? NO, hell no, the whole "if you kill a murderer the number of murderers doesn't go down" completely falls flat when the murderers dying each have separate body counts in the hundreds. This type of bureaucratical bs is literally why the decepticons started in the first place.
@@MrNormalPerson Hmm, I kind of agree and disagree when it comes to the situation involving Impactor. Now Impactor killing the Squadron X even though they were defeated and in cuffs was to have less enemies during war that could become a problem later on and felt he was justified in. Whether we(the readers) thought it was is up to us. However, when to backstories of Squadron X members (according to tv tropes) Ferak was planning to retire, Earthquake was going to be either kicked out or executed due to suspicions that he was about to pull a Heel-Face Turn, poor Fang was only a jerk because Impactor maimed his voicebox and left him unable to speak, Triton was forced to join against his will, and Crosscut was only considered a threat because people kept mistaking him for someone else who actually was evil) it makes Impactors action less justified.
Have mention Optimus authorizing the deployment of the Spark Extractor both while the Nemesis was stationary and in the battle for the Omega Lock in TFP. It's basically Transformers equivalent to dark magic version of a neutron bomb.
Is that really morally grey though? I mean at that point Megs raised the dead, and tried to team up with transformers Satan, and almost murdered a innocent bystander, and was threatening the existence of their adopted home and friends there, I say using more brutal means at that point is a justified response, you can’t get through to people like Prime Megs he wasn’t gonna stop until his entire team and the human race was dead.
This just reminds me of how awesome IDW Transformers was. As much as MTMTE was a struggle at times, overall, including the 2019 continuity, it was superb from start to finish, and it was so dark at times. The Wreckers saga was brutal and definitely not for kids! Sunder was a savage character as well. Very inventive.
Man I remember I bought a transformers figure, and it came with a comic book, and the comic book had like shockwave and all them, and I knew it was a dark, because it showed the robots getting torn and everything in body parts. I remember one panel mainly it was a autobots head that was disconnected and the eyes were black and it was oil everywhere.
Sandstorm killing after the war ended always sticks with me. I fully understand how he got to that point, but it is still just murder at that point. To me it makes a good reverse to post-war Brawl, who finally values life.
Sunstreaker blaming the entire human race for the actions of a cult? He wouldn't like to get blamed for everything the Decepticons did just because they're all Cybertronians, so what's the deal with him blaming all humans? Did he forget his human allies that put their lives on the line, too?
The humans in the IDW run did more then just that, but Sunstreaker was probably taumatized and more then a bit crazy after his mind was fucked with. Imagine meeting an alien species of whom a few decide to use your body and replace your head or crawl in your head like some parasite. I might want all of them dead too after that, not caring about those who had nothing to do with it.
One bot I would mention is Kup. dude got stranded on a planet and he was the sole survivor. Ripped apart a fellow bot that also landed there and he did this because there were crystals that had radiation that altered his mind and was enhanced during the day. When some guys tried to rescue him, they could only where some boogey man looking suits to combat the radiation at night. and Kup's mind was altered in a way comparable to schizophrenia
That’s not really evil though he wasn’t in a right state of mind and was hallucinating his rescuers as monsters, and when he found out what happened he was horrified and ashamed of himself.
Sure, most of the Autobots aren’t perfect, but for me it’s a good thing the vast majority of these horrible acts are in the comics, which I don’t really follow. Sentinel Prime, I can understand,in comics or otherwise, because it’d make sense that Optimus would encourage his men to be better to one another AND their enemies.
I agree. The characterization of Prowl, Sunstreaker, Optimus, Hot Rod, etc, in the show isn't anything like their characterizations outlined in this video. It's good to have unambiguously good characters in my opinion. Honestly, I think a lot of this evil autobot stuff in the comics is there for shock value, edginess, and the fact they might be running out of ideas. Like maybe they think cashing in on the grimdark trend is a good business decision or something? And maybe it is, but I don't really care for it. I don't get why people are so against having a generally good side versus a generally bad side, y'know? Transformers doesn't have to be and shouldn't be Warhammer. Nuance in characters is cool and interesting sometimes, like Skyfire and Sentinel switching sides, but "Cannibal mind-rape autobot" or "Selfish quasi-child soldier mass murderer betrayer autobot" aren't really interesting, just shocking, edgy, and kind of boring in the grand scheme of things in my opinion.
I got an Autobot bracelet and a Decepticon bracelet for me and my Aunt who also likes Transformers to use as friendship bracelets, Let's just say there's a reason I chose the Decepticon one for myself.
Skarm and his team of Autobots literally destroyed planets just because they where Decepticon sympathizers…really blurs line between Good Autobots and Evil Decepticons, only real difference seems to be the Badge you wear.
That's how it works when you got two massive factions at war with eachother, replace badges with flags and you got the real world version right there, everyones got both in their factions.
Well shit, Sunder alone makes me love Decepticons a lot more than before. Before I just love Decepticons for simple reasons but after the list makes me a lot closer to them.
In a TFP episode, when the Autobots have Starscream as a pow offering information and wanting to defect, when Arcee is left alone with him she beats him and tries to force him to open his cuff and injure her so she can kill him and claim self-defense.
16:37 to be fair prime's actions were understandable and like you said he did stay with his fellow autobots and never abandoned them and went down with his ship like any good captain would.
"And everyone thinks _I'm_ a remorseless, sadistic psychopath?! I mean, _probably,_ but I'm not any of _these_ bots!" --Whirl watching this video, probably
Would Maximals count as Autobots? They are their successors. At which point, I nominate Protoform X AKA Rampage. He killed and ate his way through two colonies. Admittedly, he's in part like that due to the experiments done to create him, but still.
Sunder looked like his face could clamp on too another face impaling their head with his antenna on his head and slowly eating memories of the bot, I made this up in my head but still…
Not autobots per se, but the Maximal experiments that resulted in Protoform X/Rampage from the beast era would certainly fit in on this list. And then there's Protoform X himself...
I was minding my own business walking along listening to this video, but the second I heard Scraplets, I fell on tripped on my face remembering that episode of Prime.
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The Autobots and Decepticons aren't "heroes" and "villains", they are but two warring factions, and just like real-life wars, both sides have good guys and bad bastards.
I’ve always thought the most brutal Autobots would be Ironhide or Grimlock. Grimlock because he acts like a dinosaur and Ironhide because he’s the most faithful Autobot and he HATES Decepticons
Sunder: Giving children nightmares since the 2000's! Edit: he makes you transform, but you forgor, so you discombumbulate. Edit: can you talk about our good friend Whirl? He is a chaotic neutral war criminal and known cool guy.
I'm glad you brought up OP in TFP forgetting Raf's snowball. I really wanted him to see it and I can't believe he didn't bring that crap back. I'd honestly say it's the worst thing on the list that happened.
"I've hacked off so many people it's hard to keep track." *pause frame* "Whatever I did, I know it was necessary" That is a hilariously effed up comic panel lmao
This is like my first video on MrNormalPerson and already I'm questioning why a man in a red gimp suit is telling me about all the war crimes committed by the autobots......and I fcking love it give me more
Even before the war happened the Primes or those of high ranking who fought agaisnt the newly Despection, they were just as much as assholes then anything as well.
Great, now I need them to release a Sunder toy lol. That panel of him without the eyes is by far the most menacing piece of transformers content I've ever seen.
Has there any been cases of Decepticons being on the moral high ground once and a while? Don't get me wrong, the Decepticons ARE the villains. But this video makes me curious to see if there have been cases of Decepticons doing something that people like Optimus would praise them for.
I believe their was two versions of Starscream that did that, Impactor in the animated WFC series is another decent one, i know there's at least a couple honourable type warrior decepticons out there but their names escape me right now sorry.
as a person who kins brainstorm to a molecular level, itd be reasonable to create mass chaos after you lost the love of your life. (not to mention his best friends kept wiping his fricking memory after every mishap)
If you look at it with Clean, unbiased, truth, 20/20 sight, you see: the Decepticons are a true example of "Die a hero, or live long enough to see yourself become the villain." How frucked does it feel to know, even the cartoon we watched as a kid (80s baby, wooo!) lied to us.
I mean the Autobots mind controlling devastator wasn't a bad thing, i mean megatron did mind control the constructicons in the first pace so the Autobots were basically helping the constructicons 🤷♂️
Imagine being one of the top surgeons in your specialty and so brilliant you figure out a way to perform it without ever touching the patient and you're just like "fuck it killing people sounds pretty neat". The icing on the cake is that he likes fucking with people. Thats why he did the Mortilus larping and he probably only turns people into round meals "for the funny" since it seems most people who get turned inside out are left alive (albeit in a lot of pain). He also seems to be reasonably self aware. Ironically hes probably the most survivable out of MTMTE/Lost Light's villian line up, since you can bribe him/hire him and he seems to keep his end of deals. I mean he kept his deal with the most insufferable character in that comic.
Sunder is a well designed "evil for the sake of evil" villain. A lot of people give the archetype crap for being one note, but the only thing holding it back is imagination.
next vid will either be 'most powerful combiners' or 'craziest transformers designs'... get your input in below and I'll shout you out!
I hope victorion is on the list
volcanicus, predaking,, superion, devastator, magnaboss, optimus maximus, galvatronus
fortress maximus? the combiner
Can you cover Rung he has a crazy alt mode and amnesia of being Primus!! 🤯🤔
Combiners 100%
Shows how why the decepticon justice division existed. Evil only creates evil and Megatron need to make sure his soldiers were always the biggest evil
The thing is, the decepticons actually started out as the good guys. But over time, Megatron seems to have lost sight of what he was actually fighting for and ended up becoming the very thing he hated.
Considering how renegade Decepticons were a thing, creating a military police force to capture, punish and either exile or execute rogue Decepticons and other loose cannons seems logical.
@@ehrgeiz0 Knowing the Decepticons' nature, execution seems like their only option.
@@Nyrufa bro became the thing he literally went against.
The D.J.D.'s main mission was hunting down and executing deserters.
For me, the worst thing is when a person commits crimes, but does it out of good intentions and genuinely doesn't understand what's wrong. Sunder is an obvious maniac, but a person like Getaway is much more unsettling to me simply because of his twisted understanding of morality and goodness
A true Machiavellian right there
There is is the opposing view that knowing willful evil is the worst.
Getaway’s worst deed was when he groomed Tailgate.
Then you don't understand actions being good or bad.... Depending on the situation
@Commie Hunter buddy he used spinal columns as payment to get a serial killer to help him out
the thing i like about transformers is that even though it looks like good vs evil on the surface, it is just a civil war between two political parties and a few 3rd party groups.
That literally only happened in IDW comics
There is still a VERY clear overall right and wrong side though. "Freedom is the right of all sentient beings" is a genuine principle of Optimus.
@Bthsr71 well yes but it is still better plot than the generic comic book good vs. evil. Some autobots are genuine psychos and some decepticons are warriors who believe in the wrong cause. Nuances are what makes fiction enjoyable to me.
@@OgBadlaws Just as long as you don't get it twisted and root for the Decepticons as a whole being the "true" heroes and good guys.
@@bthsr7113 True. Sadly you can't always be therento stop war crimes.
I always like how transformers doesn't just write all autobots as heroes they can range from being borderline saints to well meaning jerks all the way to just pieces of shit in it for they're own reasons and everything in between it makes the characters ironically enough seem more human
I love how they're more "human" compared to others franchises.
In a sense where the "good guys" do atrocious thing worse than the bad guys
@@ReigoVassal I mean both sides have some monsters I think just a lot of franchises tend to write all the "good guys" as heroes with little to no real flaws or variations
Autobots are just a faction of the cybertronians,there is always evil in any side
Nah
To me it is really edgy and stupid to try to make the good guys evils
@@GR-ic7mt because hypocrites aren’t characters that we like to follow
Imagine bumblebee killed people to “show he has mistakes” and then tried to save people later in the movie
I love how in Transformers, because they're robots, the writers have an excuse to insert some of the most heinous,disturbing, and brutal acts of violence imaginable. Like you can survive the battle against a giant world ending threat only to be torn apart by demons.
Just another Monday near the Eye of Terror
Certainly helped with the TV censors
@@jmurray1110 hi dude how are you
Fine enough you @@thesadistor-hl7lw
Didn’t that actually happen in IDW? Somebot survived past the defeat of Unicron only for immediately after Unicron died the ground beneath him to opened up and he was dragged to Cybertronion Hell for like no reason? 😂
Prowl asking Tarantulas to nuke a city, frame Decepticons, and recruit the survivors, might have had worse consequences than one might think.
The Decepticons didn't start out as an army of monsters, but were turned that way by millions of years of escalation.
One can only imagine how the faction changed after they found out about Prowl's scheme.
Prowl just pranked everyone
@@aditghifari5039 He was doing a lil trolling. A minor amount of tomfoolery. A teaspoon of some of that gud Flint Lockwood shenaniganizing ya sees
Ah, the Ben Sisko method
Skill issue. Prowl was just better skilled gg no re.
My
Prowl did some other stuff after the war. Used Arcee as an assassin to eliminate those he deemed inconvenient to the fragile peace(I think Ratbat was one). He then just kept right on manipulating until he was finally banished for basically being more sketchy than Starscream. And after the Autobots rescued Kup, Prowl asked Perceptor to “fix” him so that Prowl could feed strategic suggestions through Kup, a legend the Autobots respected, so that they’d finally listen to Prowl.
At least Starscream is upfront and knows hes evil. Prowl thinks hes a good person which is worse
@@Lov3lyMoon naw Prowl is fully aware he’s a monster and what he does is wrong, he just think the ends justify the means and that all he’s does is for the ‘greater hood’ and if he has to get his hands dirty so be it
Don’t forget that, at one point, Prowl was being mind-controlled by Bombshell who repressed the Autobot’s already grey morality and gave the dark side free rein.
What interested me more was that some of the other Autobots didn’t notice while those that did tried to justify what he was up to rather than trying to stop him.
I think the most significant indicator that the Autobots are not as noble as they make themselves out is the "Last Stand of the Wreckers" mini-series. The wreckers were sent to investigate Garrus-9, a prison planet, seized by Overlord. It was eventually revealed that the true mission was to obtain Aequitas that was housed on the Garrus-9.
Aequitas was a supercomputer designed by the Autobots to act as an impartial judge for war crimes. Yep, war crimes from morphcore harvests, and civilian executions, to rust injections. The Autobots being tried gave the Decepticons a run for their money in acts of cruelty and sadism.
When Aequitas finally came to a verdict the Autobots agreed that it would be an absolute PR nightmare for them and opted to have the verdicts sealed and buried on Garrus-9.
Can't say I blame Sunstreaker for the human hate honestly
His hate for humanity was reasonable, but betraying his friends was not okay. And trusting Starscream? Really, what kind of idiot does that?
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And throwing Mirage under the bus.
@@beastmaster0934 Yeah, he allowed Mirage to be pummeled by Ironhide and didn't even apologised.
@@murilopenagoncalves3831 I don't recall Optimus nearly getting killed being part of Starscream's plan.
And Starscream, apart from killing all humans, did follow through on his bargain, i think. I just think that Sunstreaker just wasn't prepared for the consequences of that success that would happen after.
Humans are the worst, case in point.
I didn’t know the Autobots had done anything that could be considered war crimes, but hearing that they did makes me think about real world situations where the winner of a war didn’t tell what they did to the loser, or what atrocities they committed during and after it. So basically, thank you for bringing this to light.
History is written by the victor
And History is full of lies.
Optimus is my favorite Autobot known for his famous quotes like "I'll kill you all" and "give me your face" in the Bay movies.
Sunder wasn’t even really an autobot, he was more of forced to be an autobot in exchange for his life.
Jesus I knew Prowl was sketchy in the comics but woof talk about crooked cop when not actually being a crooked cop
It's a bit telling that Prowl had one of Bombshells Cerebro Shells in his head for ages and no one even suspected something was amiss... He also had a heart to heart with Shockwave that started "People like us...."
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I’m pretty sure he also was the one who blew up The Lost Light while Rodimus and co. were taking off.
Ye that was intentional
Let’s be fair, any one would do that IDW Rodimus
Ye but didn’t Prowl mainly do it because Chromedome had a new a love in Rewind and Prowl mostly did it out of jealousy
I thought that Flame from Marvel UK would be on the list as the first ever evil Autobot. Megatron had an idea to turn Cybertron into a ship, Flame thought that it was a great idea, so he got to work on it and made a zombie army to keep him and his work safe. He was only defeated by the zombie of Impactor recovering his mind.
This came to mind for me too, mostly because any time someone mentions impactor I think of the zombie.
I also couldn't remember if zombie Impactor ended up on the "killed someone while mind controlled" list but Flame actually stops him from killing anyone because he wants witnesses to his success.
I can't believe you didn't mention Rodimus blowing up Sandstorm's home planet just so Galvatron couldn't get the Energon reserves it had.
If they hadn't, more then one world would've been destroyed.
@@Dragon6687 They were a bit too quick to jump to that conclusion, have they even tried to just take the planet from them?
@@_Muzolf It would be a repeating event. Galvatron taking it back, then Rodimus taken it back while Paradron will up end up looking like burnout Char and ruin Cybertron after the great war with no energon to fuel them. As they say: In war, there are casualties.
That image of Sunder with his eyes missing will probably haunt me for the rest of time.
Sunder is a transformer I would have loved to see done by Michael Bay.
I feel like to even this out you should maker a " most heroic/good things the deceptions did "
Cause they've done about as much good as the bots have done pure evil
Yeah I was thinking about that...
@@MrNormalPerson sswweeeet
@@MrNormalPerson looking forward to it.
IDW brainstorm was also responsible for the birth of Megatron. Megatron was an MTO like Getaway, Constructed Cold and rewind shot him in his spark while he was offline in the factory. brainstorm gave the body the point one percenter spark he found that was green (megatron has a green spark) and he became the Megatron we all know. despite him having a constructed cold body, Megatron has an original Forged spark.
That was actually Whirl. After Rewind destroyed the original Spark of Megs with one shot, reasoning that while the Funktionists would pretty much hammer the Cybertronians, at least the rest of the universe would be safe from their war. Whirl, on the other hand, saw it a bit differently, as the Funktionists gave him Empurata because he changed jobs (from soldier to watchmaker). With the survival of the Funktionists, they would have had the last laugh according to Whirl, thus Whirl stole the green Spark that Brainstorm had found earlier and installed it into Megatron.
There is no such thing as a purely virtuous side in a war. This is especially true of the war between the Autobots and Decepticons who have been at war for millions of years.
Whirl, torturing Megatron for 200 years, eventually creating the deception villain we all know and love.
200 years!?
I thought it was a few days!
@@returnedtomonkey8886 yeah I’m pretty sure it was just a few hours but that could be considered days for us
I’m genuinely surprised Bayverse Optimus Warcrime didn’t have an entire section to himself lol.
Funny enough
I really like Bayverse Optimus
Hes not some super noble SuperHero robot from space
Nope, Bayverse Optimus is actually a proper Autobot warlord thats damn near unstoppable
Bay verse was actually kinda justified considering his enemies commit attempted universal domination, genocide, enslavement, and hunted his allies down.
@@duplicitduplicate7206 I was joking. I actually really love this gritty and realistic portrayal of an Optimus Prime who’s just so done with war. Just surprised he wasn’t even mentioned in the video for the sake of the Optimus Warcrime memes.
@@duplicitduplicate7206 I mean every version of the Decepticons does that so Bay Prime can't have that excuse, heck the war in the Bayverse is actually the shortest in years and smallest in scale in the franchise.
To be fair, the only reason Bayverse Optimus was so violent was because he was originally going to be voiced by Liam Neeson
And this is why I fear Sunder he's the equivalent of being alone in a home and there's weird sounds coming from someone
I'm kind of surprised no mention was made towards that episode in G1 where they transplanted Spike's brain into a bot "made of spare parts". They had no reason for doing that, Spike's life wasn't in danger, they just wanted to see what would happen. That episode genuinely gave me NIGHTMARES.
I always referred to that monstrosity as "Franken-Spike' and it was absolutely horrific. Really makes you question Wheeljack and Ratchet's morality, or lack thereof.
To be fair, the Autobots, while trying to help Spike, messed up due to a lack of knowledge in human biology, and had to do that till his body had recovered enough for his brain to get re-transplanted back into Spike's body
Prowl will always take the cake for making me look at the autobot insignia with skepticism...
Ah war crimes committed by the Autobots the stuff that got me hooked onto Transformers comics. Such great storytelling. Also Getaway should’ve been number 1.
that one with optimus sacrificing autobots to lure megatron to ancient earth. I see that as a neccessary evil from a bot who ran out of options, he was losing the war, and was likely running out of men, ideas, and resources. It'd be different if that was his first plan, but it was likely his last plan to save cybertron he basically went down with the ship, because he saw it as the only way cybertron could survive even if he wouldnt be able to see it rebuild.
Nah nah nah Imma defend Impactor on that first one, dude gets sent out to catch criminals and in this quest most of his friends get killed by said heinous criminals but despite it all he pulls through just to have his pencil pusher of a boss tell him to let them go... BECAUSE OF FUCKING BUREAUCRACY !?! What was he supposed to do, just let mass murderers go?
NO, hell no, the whole "if you kill a murderer the number of murderers doesn't go down" completely falls flat when the murderers dying each have separate body counts in the hundreds.
This type of bureaucratical bs is literally why the decepticons started in the first place.
fair enough
@@MrNormalPerson Hmm, I kind of agree and disagree when it comes to the situation involving Impactor. Now Impactor killing the Squadron X even though they were defeated and in cuffs was to have less enemies during war that could become a problem later on and felt he was justified in. Whether we(the readers) thought it was is up to us. However, when to backstories of Squadron X members (according to tv tropes) Ferak was planning to retire, Earthquake was going to be either kicked out or executed due to suspicions that he was about to pull a Heel-Face Turn, poor Fang was only a jerk because Impactor maimed his voicebox and left him unable to speak, Triton was forced to join against his will, and Crosscut was only considered a threat because people kept mistaking him for someone else who actually was evil) it makes Impactors action less justified.
Have mention Optimus authorizing the deployment of the Spark Extractor both while the Nemesis was stationary and in the battle for the Omega Lock in TFP. It's basically Transformers equivalent to dark magic version of a neutron bomb.
Is that really morally grey though? I mean at that point Megs raised the dead, and tried to team up with transformers Satan, and almost murdered a innocent bystander, and was threatening the existence of their adopted home and friends there, I say using more brutal means at that point is a justified response, you can’t get through to people like Prime Megs he wasn’t gonna stop until his entire team and the human race was dead.
This just reminds me of how awesome IDW Transformers was. As much as MTMTE was a struggle at times, overall, including the 2019 continuity, it was superb from start to finish, and it was so dark at times. The Wreckers saga was brutal and definitely not for kids! Sunder was a savage character as well. Very inventive.
Me before seeing Sunder: oookay? Pretty tame!
Me after seeing Sunder: *sings the transformer themesong while hugging myself in a dark corner*
Man I remember I bought a transformers figure, and it came with a comic book, and the comic book had like shockwave and all them, and I knew it was a dark, because it showed the robots getting torn and everything in body parts. I remember one panel mainly it was a autobots head that was disconnected and the eyes were black and it was oil everywhere.
Truly shows that no faction is truly innocent.
I love when each side is morally grey, much more interesting stories
Sandstorm killing after the war ended always sticks with me. I fully understand how he got to that point, but it is still just murder at that point. To me it makes a good reverse to post-war Brawl, who finally values life.
Sunstreaker blaming the entire human race for the actions of a cult? He wouldn't like to get blamed for everything the Decepticons did just because they're all Cybertronians, so what's the deal with him blaming all humans? Did he forget his human allies that put their lives on the line, too?
The humans in the IDW run did more then just that, but Sunstreaker was probably taumatized and more then a bit crazy after his mind was fucked with. Imagine meeting an alien species of whom a few decide to use your body and replace your head or crawl in your head like some parasite.
I might want all of them dead too after that, not caring about those who had nothing to do with it.
One bot I would mention is Kup. dude got stranded on a planet and he was the sole survivor. Ripped apart a fellow bot that also landed there and he did this because there were crystals that had radiation that altered his mind and was enhanced during the day. When some guys tried to rescue him, they could only where some boogey man looking suits to combat the radiation at night. and Kup's mind was altered in a way comparable to schizophrenia
That’s not really evil though he wasn’t in a right state of mind and was hallucinating his rescuers as monsters, and when he found out what happened he was horrified and ashamed of himself.
Sure, most of the Autobots aren’t perfect, but for me it’s a good thing the vast majority of these horrible acts are in the comics, which I don’t really follow. Sentinel Prime, I can understand,in comics or otherwise, because it’d make sense that Optimus would encourage his men to be better to one another AND their enemies.
I agree. The characterization of Prowl, Sunstreaker, Optimus, Hot Rod, etc, in the show isn't anything like their characterizations outlined in this video. It's good to have unambiguously good characters in my opinion.
Honestly, I think a lot of this evil autobot stuff in the comics is there for shock value, edginess, and the fact they might be running out of ideas. Like maybe they think cashing in on the grimdark trend is a good business decision or something? And maybe it is, but I don't really care for it.
I don't get why people are so against having a generally good side versus a generally bad side, y'know? Transformers doesn't have to be and shouldn't be Warhammer. Nuance in characters is cool and interesting sometimes, like Skyfire and Sentinel switching sides, but "Cannibal mind-rape autobot" or "Selfish quasi-child soldier mass murderer betrayer autobot" aren't really interesting, just shocking, edgy, and kind of boring in the grand scheme of things in my opinion.
Ik why they make everything so dark for no reason@@Gayacegunslinger
I got an Autobot bracelet and a Decepticon bracelet for me and my Aunt who also likes Transformers to use as friendship bracelets, Let's just say there's a reason I chose the Decepticon one for myself.
Skarm and his team of Autobots literally destroyed planets just because they where Decepticon sympathizers…really blurs line between Good Autobots and Evil Decepticons, only real difference seems to be the Badge you wear.
good suggestion, i didn't really know him before now
That's how it works when you got two massive factions at war with eachother, replace badges with flags and you got the real world version right there, everyones got both in their factions.
With all the crimes Sunder did, he don't deserve the Autobot badge.
i think after he lost his mind the badge became irrelevant
The kind of bs goes when Optimus isn’t around or looking
Well shit, Sunder alone makes me love Decepticons a lot more than before. Before I just love Decepticons for simple reasons but after the list makes me a lot closer to them.
In a TFP episode, when the Autobots have Starscream as a pow offering information and wanting to defect, when Arcee is left alone with him she beats him and tries to force him to open his cuff and injure her so she can kill him and claim self-defense.
You missed like half of Prowl’s crimes against cybertronians but that’s okay. You’d be here all day trying to list them all
And I gotta keep stuff for later vids, lol
Video Request:Will you ever make a video just fully about tarn and his backstory when he was an autobot?
yeah I have a series of spotlight vids planned, and he def deserves one
@@MrNormalPerson if you aren't can you do one on like the primes like in order or something if possible?
I will never forgive bumblebee for Public Indecency
16:37 to be fair prime's actions were understandable and like you said he did stay with his fellow autobots and never abandoned them and went down with his ship like any good captain would.
Love these videos, makes me want to start reading the entire IDW run
Update, I’ve started reading the entire IDW run
Heh it's funny that prowl is morally grey in IDW but his head design is literally the where the autobot insignia is based on.
"And everyone thinks _I'm_ a remorseless, sadistic psychopath?! I mean, _probably,_ but I'm not any of _these_ bots!"
--Whirl watching this video, probably
Sunder turning bots inside out by making them forget how to transform is BRUTAL
Fun fact: Bot-bots is an actual transformers toyline/cartoon
Lol I'm gonna look it up
man, it really says something that 90% of this list is from James Roberts books.
I knew bayformers had some warcrime moments but MAN I was not aware the comics were this deep into geneva convention violations
Would Maximals count as Autobots? They are their successors. At which point, I nominate Protoform X AKA Rampage. He killed and ate his way through two colonies. Admittedly, he's in part like that due to the experiments done to create him, but still.
Sunder looked like his face could clamp on too another face impaling their head with his antenna on his head and slowly eating memories of the bot, I made this up in my head but still…
Wow. You just made the creepiest Transformer ever even creepier. That's impressive.
17:55
Sunder be looking like a Reaper Leviathan From Subnautica
I was waiting for someone to comment this 😂
Not autobots per se, but the Maximal experiments that resulted in Protoform X/Rampage from the beast era would certainly fit in on this list. And then there's Protoform X himself...
Don’t forget that basically every decepticon was an autobot at one time
Sunder ,Sunder did a Blunder
Put a bot six feet under.
"Ratchet, YOU'RE in the box!" gets quoted by me and my cousin quite often.
I was minding my own business walking along listening to this video, but the second I heard Scraplets, I fell on tripped on my face remembering that episode of Prime.
Dude I actually love your videos! Your flow, your humour and as a hugh transformers fan I'm getting loads of lore and info that I either forgot or didn't know due to not haven't collected all the idw comics. Plz plz plz keep up the content dude I wish I found ya sooner but better late then never 👌🏾👌🏾👌🏾
The Autobots and Decepticons aren't "heroes" and "villains", they are but two warring factions, and just like real-life wars, both sides have good guys and bad bastards.
I’ve always thought the most brutal Autobots would be Ironhide or Grimlock. Grimlock because he acts like a dinosaur and Ironhide because he’s the most faithful Autobot and he HATES Decepticons
Sunder: Giving children nightmares since the 2000's!
Edit: he makes you transform, but you forgor, so you discombumbulate.
Edit: can you talk about our good friend Whirl? He is a chaotic neutral war criminal and known cool guy.
Half way into the vid I forgot that this was about the Autobots, and once MrNor. says it again I just now realize how bad these actions were
Omg hearing that you'll make separate video for Shockwave is soo exciting I can't wait to watch it aaaa
yeah man gonna try and get on that next week
Dude. More transformers lore. I have learned so much and an equal helping of laughs. Keep it up. You got a new sub
you got it bro and thanks for the comment
First of all, ratchet was also voiced by Horror Legend Jeffery Combs, so he was bound to do something like this
oh shit, I knew I recognized that voice. Good ol Weyoun
Not to mention Jeffery Combs also voiced Brainiac in the DC video game Injustice 2.
I'm glad you brought up OP in TFP forgetting Raf's snowball. I really wanted him to see it and I can't believe he didn't bring that crap back. I'd honestly say it's the worst thing on the list that happened.
Roided-up Ratchet is the GOAT. Dude stormed into a Decepticon mine and punched Megatron
"i have needs Optimus. Dirty horrible needs"
Man, wish i could see how good decepticons can be. And nice video, hope to see more of em
thanks dude and yep heroic deeds of the deceptions is on the list.
Hmmmmm what if Sentinel actually managed to save Cybertron? Now that's a interesting alternative.
“May i plz have your crazy?” 😂I died. Love these vids they make my day brighter.
"I've hacked off so many people it's hard to keep track."
*pause frame*
"Whatever I did, I know it was necessary"
That is a hilariously effed up comic panel lmao
This is like my first video on MrNormalPerson and already I'm questioning why a man in a red gimp suit is telling me about all the war crimes committed by the autobots......and I fcking love it give me more
IDW really showed that this robot civil war was really a war, jeez.
Even before the war happened the Primes or those of high ranking who fought agaisnt the newly Despection, they were just as much as assholes then anything as well.
Great, now I need them to release a Sunder toy lol. That panel of him without the eyes is by far the most menacing piece of transformers content I've ever seen.
Says a lot when the video kicks off with immediate war crimes lol
if you haven't you should make a video on the worst thing that a transformer has done not in a comic but like in the games, show,or movie.
i know you kinda are doing this but like no comics and like actual evil with like no reason to do it.
Has there any been cases of Decepticons being on the moral high ground once and a while? Don't get me wrong, the Decepticons ARE the villains. But this video makes me curious to see if there have been cases of Decepticons doing something that people like Optimus would praise them for.
There are a few, yeah. I'm looking into that now, video will probably be out in a couple weeks...
I believe their was two versions of Starscream that did that, Impactor in the animated WFC series is another decent one, i know there's at least a couple honourable type warrior decepticons out there but their names escape me right now sorry.
as a person who kins brainstorm to a molecular level, itd be reasonable to create mass chaos after you lost the love of your life. (not to mention his best friends kept wiping his fricking memory after every mishap)
"GIVE ME YOUR FACE!"-Optimus Prime,Revenge Of The Fallen
Bro i found your channel by accident and i love it! Gonna binge watch the hell out of it.
never really cared for the IDW version of Prowl, the whole anti-cop thing across the whole of IDW was way overdone.
I thought many aspects of the IDW characters were overdone
Try the entire comic. So glad this edgelord crap is officially dead.
Plz do 'Craziest transformers designs'
I still haven't forgotten how they let the decepticons attack chicago in Tf3 just to prove a point
Hoist also was shocking for me. In his idw thrilling 30 comic set, he killed impactor, bob and swerve, and in the end, he was all alone with himself.
adding "may i please barrow your crazy" to my vocabulary
If you look at it with Clean, unbiased, truth, 20/20 sight, you see: the Decepticons are a true example of "Die a hero, or live long enough to see yourself become the villain."
How frucked does it feel to know, even the cartoon we watched as a kid (80s baby, wooo!) lied to us.
The G1 cartoon and the IDW comics are two different universes, with G1 being good guys vs. bad guys and IDW being war is all about the Grey areas
I mean the Autobots mind controlling devastator wasn't a bad thing, i mean megatron did mind control the constructicons in the first pace so the Autobots were basically helping the constructicons 🤷♂️
if that ice is holding 4 autobots it has to be unbelievably deep
That last one, I agree with you for I'm mean look at his empty sockets 😳😳😳
The most evil thing... Was when Optimus Prime said, "Boobies".
I’m always so sad to hear how evil Prowl has been. I loved his look as a kid.
Imagine being one of the top surgeons in your specialty and so brilliant you figure out a way to perform it without ever touching the patient and you're just like "fuck it killing people sounds pretty neat".
The icing on the cake is that he likes fucking with people. Thats why he did the Mortilus larping and he probably only turns people into round meals "for the funny" since it seems most people who get turned inside out are left alive (albeit in a lot of pain). He also seems to be reasonably self aware.
Ironically hes probably the most survivable out of MTMTE/Lost Light's villian line up, since you can bribe him/hire him and he seems to keep his end of deals. I mean he kept his deal with the most insufferable character in that comic.
Sunder is a well designed "evil for the sake of evil" villain. A lot of people give the archetype crap for being one note, but the only thing holding it back is imagination.