Thanks for your patience with this video, it's good to be back! :') (I am also on the final season of The Sopranos, this show has been wild 😭) Happy holidays everyone! 🎄✨️
It's been a while, but I want to say you mentioned living in a country other than the U.S. at some point in the past. So not sure if they run the same TV commercials there. But an actress has recently been promoting a certain prescription drug she apparently takes herself. She looks 30 something, pretty, and gives you the thought that you know her from somewhere. It's Jamie Lynn Sigler. Meadow from The Sopranos. She has MS. Such a raw deal. Life humbles EVERYONE.
Except it isn't a meme. Its a sobering reality, and the perception has been shaped by women. Men have to be tall, they have to be an earner, they have to be stoic. No one gives a shit if men are happy, and the inequality in suicide rates between men and women back that as well as the death rate of homeless people. A vast majority of the time if you don't earn, you're a loser. If you show insecurity in front of your woman, congrats, your relationship just jumped off a fucking cliff. To put it crudely, the success of a man isn't measured in wealth, its measured by the quality of pussy he can pull.
that is not the point, he is trying to state that society's obsession with the pursuit of happiness is non optimal, thus has consequences. People spend their lives chasing this unrealistic child-like happiness only to find out it functions the same as a high, happiness dissipates. it simply cannot be perpetually maintained, its impossible. The only thing close to this ideal, is to learn to be content/fulfilled. You would of been able to grasp the difference if you watched the original clip.
@@davidangelo4018 It is just part of his sales pitch. "Don't worry guys, if you are not satisfied bc you are not getting results from my advice that I give while living in luxury most will never achieve...don't worry that means it is working...men are not supposed to be happy anyway...so keep buying my hustler courses."
@@davidangelo4018 Happiness can absolutely be maintained. It's all about what you value and where you find it. Seeking it in hollow, material pursuits will dissipate because they're not actually meaningful. People chase money and status for the illusion it, but they ultimately need more because it doesn't fulfil anything. I know plenty of people who live simple lives where their focus is on the people around them and community, and they're the happiest people you'd ever meet. That doesn't fade like some high, it's a state of being.
When I was kid the common wisdom was that in the adult world men get to have all the freedom and fun. Now it turns out men aren't allowed to have fun either. Just accumulate wealth, buy things they don't need to impress men they hate. Don't feel, don't sleep, don't make a nice meal, don't practice self care, don't form attachments, etc. This is so bleak.
You said the magic word: freedom. If you are trying to conform to someone's blueprint of how to be you are already someone's birch. Probably the birch of a birch. Your "hero" probably didn't make it up but got fed it and swallowed it.
Honestly yes. Its great to encourage masculinity, so long as its the positive kind. Plus, I don't think there's many women who've watched LotR and seen any man more worthy of love as Aragorn.
I’m fully convinced a lot of these guys use speed. Not needing sleep? Super agitated? Obsessed with making money and image? Maybe he’s born with it, maybe it’s methamphedamine
Adderall is honestly the go-to streaming enhancement substance in every content genre and community. I think the way some of these Manosphere put on their assertive ✌alpha✌front for speaking on stream, ends up just making em slip into a cocaine-intense style of talking instead, and makes their performance enhancing habits much easier to notice for the viewer
Iroh the Dragon. A gently crackling campfire with a pot of tea bubbling over it all through seasons 1-3 then suddenly he unveils the dragon. The single most badass fire bender in the show 😂
I think another thing about Patrick Bateman that these sigma male astrologists miss because they don't know how subtlety works is that Bateman actually a completely useless individual in the film. 1. He's a nepo baby (his dad basically owns the firm). 2. He's never entrusted with any real responsibilities (see his resentment at Paul Allen for handling important accounts). 3. He's completely self absorbed and arrogant yet completely forgettable to the point he gets mistaken for someone else constantly. 4. He doesn't actually know how to do his job, we never see him doing any real work even at the office and most tellingly when Willem Dafoe comes to interview him and he pretends to be on a phone call he doesn't actually discuss his business but surface level men's fashion.
You understood the point of the character! He was textbook sociopath, pretending to be "normal" around a bunch of people that don't care who he was on the inside, as long as he looked the part and didn't make them look bad. Everything you mentioned is why he carried so much grandeur. He was sheltered his entire life, leading him to believe that he'd accomplished everything with "hard work and determination," but has never struggled a day in his life.
@@KarlMarkyMarxx for that reason, i interpreted the crimes as being idle daydreams he was too feckless to dare carry out. he fooled the public into thinking he was a master of the universe, and he fooled himself into thinking he was some super-dangerous man of will. Its an alter ego no more real than Tyler Durden is. I suspected his story would end with him OD'ing, and perhaps slicing off his own junk, in a jacuzzi.
That's all true, but there's something to say about the guy's discipline, he clearly was a sociopath and an incompetent human being, but his ability to remain constant, to carry out a routine down to a T for years without failing (even after he goes fully insane), to take care of his health and his appearance to the point of obsession. To me, those specific traits are not evil or toxic, quite the opposite, and that's partially why a good number of women feel attracted to him, because they saw his consistency, his diligence and commitment to his life and work, even if he was just pretending (and also because he was rich and handsome, of course). What I'm trying to say is that there's value in those qualities, so long as they're distinguished and separated from his terrible behavior (misogyny, sociopathy, entitlement, incompetence, etc.). The "internet Alpha males" have issues doing that and claim that the whole persona is a role model, while the "blue pill" side of the spectrum throws out the baby with the bathwater and claim that the whole persona is toxic and evil, but personally I think there's a balance, and both sides are half way correct.
He's on video talking about how he also thinks of sex as a chore and doesn't derive any enjoyment from eating food. Being that joyless and self-punishing has got to be some kind of psychological disorder.
>Can’t show feelings but also can’t be a frigid emotionless husk >Can’t be a slave to your work but also can’t simply live within your means >Can’t trust women to respect you but also can’t trust men not to compete with you >Can’t enjoy other women’s company but also should plow as many of them as possible >Can’t be burdened by social expectations but also should take any opportunity to flex on others >Can’t be subservient to anyone but also should uncritically take advice from men more successful than you If you rearrange all the contradictory statements about what it means to be an alpha male you get something like America Ferrera’s monologue from Barbie
It's all rooted in the patriarchy which hurts everyone. Men are held up to unrealistic and contradicting expectations like we are, just different ones.
I wanna see the self contradictory compilation video. Like, JUST that. So I can pass it around to people who need to see it together, rather than spread out which is why they have as many fans as they do
None of these statements are contradictory. Nor are they very accurate/ genuine to the argument being made . I”m sure I’ll get “incelled” but you wouldn’t want to stay in your echo chamber now would you? >There’s nothing wrong showing emotion. Unless it’s to your woman as a man. Leave that shit for someone else. It’s not mens fault that women lose respect for men they see as weak. You gona tell women to prefer the guy who cries about his feelings all day? A relationship will not work without respect. For some reason women can cry like little babies and still garner respect. Congratulations >Again your applying a female dynamic to men. What does it mean to “live within your means”? If men are to be the protectors and providers then they got to go get the shit so that if can be provided right? Or your not interested in being protected and provided for? This comes down to how much you work and how good you are with money. That is what determines your “means”. > I’m not sure where your getting the point women aren’t trusted to show respect. Or, men competing with you. Are you saying everyone on the planet is trust worthy and has your best interest in mind? Your gona be disappointed. >You can dislike someone and still find them physically attractive. Or are men bad for having sexual desire lol? >A lot of “red pillars” discuss accepting and embracing the social expectations of protector and provider so I’m not sure where you’re getting that. I’m also not seeing the contradiction to “flexing on others “. What social expectations are you referring too? >How is taking someone’s advice make you subservient to them? And why would you not be open to the advice of someone more successful then you? So now going through your “contradictions” I can see you’re not arguing in good faith. You’re seemingly forcing these ideas as contradiction’s while not considering important nuanced information.
And this is the thing about Alpha behavior they got wholly and entirely wrong! In some species, the males hunting for, and feeding their mate, is a sign of devotion and care, not a sign of submission. In some cases giving their "potential" mate food is the very beginning of the mating ritual! It's not just about "bringing home the bacon", it's about showing love and care, not about obligation.
This is why you don’t take dating advice from women. #1 - You can’t seduce a masculine woman. It just doesn’t work. You can have sex, but she’s not feeling desire. 2. The most famous “seducer” of women in history was Casanova, and he was successful by lying to women & telling them what they wanted to hear. Basically, he was a con artist. 3. The advice given by these men you’re dogging out - yeah a lot is exaggerated like “don’t sleep” - but the best thing a man can be is better than the woman who wants him, so they can actually admire & desire him. That doesn’t happen with doing dishes, or cooking meals, or any of that other bull$hit. Men require respect. Women only sleep with men they respect. End of story.
If being a Alpha male means I can't enjoy drawing or anime. I'll past, don't care how I look to the alphas or females anymore. Just let me create in peace.
Oh yeah i rejected their society long ago. I don't care to appeal neither to women nor the alphas. They are a match made in heaven for eachother. I will just keep enjoying my anime to the grave
@@keylanoslokj1806 right, it means giving up stuff you enjoy and having things you don’t care about in the end or being with someone you don’t actually care for or becoming someone that’s not yourself. Isn’t worth it. I mean I watched a lot of these guys. But when I started watching Tate I started questioning. How does this help me and at the end of the day none of them care.
Watching a bunch of men talk about how they have to keep their emotions under control while screaming and swearing about things they invented to be upset about is just draining
watching a bunch of women try to understand what a man wants while at the same time failing at femininity, judging masculinity and still wanting everything and nothing from us, is draining.
Oh my god! I’m literally all of them! People will never understand how I’m both sigma and alpha. I can chop wood and disrespect women at the same time!
Andrew Tate is like a cartoon character, or if you asked a kid in 8th grade what a tough guy is like. Myron just cant seem to find his way out of the closet.
The men who get my utmost respect are the ones keeping society together, the plumbers, the builders, the heavy machinery conductors, the street cleaners... Without which our modern society wouldn't even exist. Respect to the silent majority doing their jobs and keeping us all fed, clean and secure.
@@Rosa5311yes there are women in those fields but the percentage of women in those fields is miniscule. Just like females make up the majority of social services workers, nurses and teachers. These are valuable roles in society too. It's equally sexist to devalue the contribution men are making to society as it is to devalue the contribution women are making in their respective fields. As for why women don't gravitate towards those jobs is we don't have the physical endurance to do it, although there are exceptions, it's mostly the men holding it down in those areas. Let's not devalue them. Let's not be sexist.
Because of the lack of evidence Romanian authorities have released Andrew Tate, however the chase is still ongoing. but the release hints a potential win for Andrew's innocence. Btw hes a 4x Kickboxing Champion, very few people on earth worked as hard as he did. I know because I too am a kickboxer(not on his level)
I was a Beta male who aspired to be an Alpha male. I tried so hard, but it never happened. So I decided to transcend Alpha and Sigma, and became an Iron male. The elusive Fe male.
Always makes me laugh how these 'alphas' spend a weird amount of time obsessed and getting emotional with how other men choose to live their lives. Using their own metrics it seems like such 'beta' behaviour.
Beta means basically a feminine men or a man unable to stand for himself. Is a stupid term? Yeah, just like Male Gaze or Hegemonic Masculinity are stupidly dumb. If you can shit on masculinity and call normal behaviors like hitting on girls toxic, we can shit on those dudes as well
@@ShirleyTimple Victim? You literally think cat calling is sexual harassment , wtf are you talking about?!🤣🤣 is funny, I am changed with rape if a girl regrets having sex with me , but I am the one playing the victim?? You think showing your boobs is a “right” , you literally believe killing your own children is a right or showing hot women in an add is “perpetuating harmful stereotypes!!” , yall cry and talking about “muh feelings” and “muh opression” 24/7 365. The only victims here have a clear gender, and is not men
Fight club ABSOLUTELY provides a solution. Everyone forgets the ending; the narrator understands that deep down he is both tyler and the guy who wants to plan for a healthy, good and kind future.
@@LorenzoMasterConnector yeah, the merging with your shadow self. I feel like fincher really thought people wouldn't ignore the ending. It's brillant. We even see the main character mature enough to try to be polite to marla...with a hole in his face.
I am curious what you think the solutions Tyler offers are? Also, considering the ending, how you got the impression that both Tyler and Jack, or whatever Ed Norton's character is named, worked things out and lived happily ever after in harmony together? Also want to point out that people like Peterson say things that have the appeal of wisdom but are often not well thought out or rather seem mundane upon scrutiny. "You have to become a monster...." An old lady with an AR can become a monster if she starts mowing people down at the grocery store...there is nothing particularly difficult in that except the part where you stop caring about yourself or others. But just bc our nice old granny could do that, but doesn't, that is not what will make her virtuous and she would absolutely still be open to valid criticism even insisted that she is controling the monster within her by not doing that. "...and then learn how to control it" Yeah Peterson, that is what most of us do already, we all know we could be monsters, but we don't act on that most of the time, bc it is not very productive to our long-term goals even if it would be immediately gratifying and emotionally satisfying in the moment. That is a daily struggle for most people to varying degrees and there is nothing special or particularly insightful about that.
@@memegazer Tyler isn't a solution, he's a step towards it. This is the classic story of the shadow self. Even if everything falls to hell the narrator has himself and that's all someone can ever have. In fight club repression literally lead the narrator to go crazy and he was going to get crazier, what got him to start getting out of that hole was to acknowledge himself as the person who wanted all these horrible things and fix it from there. You may find it easy to identify solutions to your struggle but this movie resonanted with so many people for a reason. BTW Peterson a bitter asshole who works for an evil asshole representing the worst of corporate interests but calling his early lectures mundane is just dumb. It's a take that is repeated like it's unique but the way those lectures spread and resonanted clearly had something insightful and that there was nothing of value inside those statements is to ignore what we are talking about now. Peterson is acknowledgement of male anxieties mixed in with religon, Fight Club is the acknowledgement of male anxieties mixed in with homoeroticism. I know what my favorite is.
I watch the movie American psycho because the main character reminded me of my biological father. And I wanted to explore how A person of his same mentality would act in this film. I didn't like the character just like I didn't like my biological father And unlike some people I know Patrick Bateman is a bad guy and you shouldn't be like them.
All I know is Ana Isabel is the ALPHA of commentary channels! (PS: I had a huge smile on my face during your Patrick Bateman section. Your read on his moral values rant was a perfect companion to what I said in my Patrick Bateman video, that it sounded like he was reading this virtues out of a popular magazine.)
The strong male role models in my life? Besides my Dad, there's these; Mr Rogers, Steve Irwin, Bob Ross, Aragorn, LeVar Burton, and even Jesus Christ of all people.
Even if you arent religious Jesus was a 5'5 120 pound man who brought a whip to the temple of gentiles to stop the men making profit off his fathers name. Men like the ones in this video.
Im just saying that my male heroes treat everyone with respect while being a badass: the doctor,kenshin himura & Aragorn to name a few. Where as all these real deal alpha dogs rely on emotional manipulation and blaming other factors rather than building something better through work & willpower and embracing new ideas while using common sense. Just what ive noticed. Great video miss. As always very insightful im listening to this at 1 am on christmas eve in bed sick with a cold. So i thank you and wish you a merry christmas :)
So movies and fantasy and anime, got it bro. Kenshin is an anime, there is no reward in that in the real world. Sorry to burst this bubble but being nice and kind doesn't actually get you laid in most cases. Also, the doctor is once again, made up as is Aragorn. Using movies is nice, but where is the real world action from it? Men problem solve for sex. We want to have sex. How do we get women to have sex with us in the real world? Being dominant and showing assertiveness. No, I'm not saying treat everyone like an asshole. I am, however, saying that that literally has been proven to get you laid more than being nice ever has. Why? Because being an asshole means you're looking out for yourself, standing up for yourself, etc. Women might SAY one thing, but their actions dictate the entire opposite. Their pussy does not get wet simply because you were a kind gentleman to her. That is an unfortunate truth in reality. Also, how you look in terms of physical attractiveness plays a key role in everything first and foremost. You can have 2 dudes: 1 looks like the average man and the other looks ripped af. She either wouldn't notice what the first one says or no matter what he says she's already assigned him "guilty" as we see in so many videos between youtube, tiktok, reality at the actual gyms themselves, etc. The 2nd dude, the ripped af guy, he could say the most hateful shit to her, period, and at least 75 to 100% of the time she actually would not care. Again, reality proves entirely different from what women say and what they do. Women are attracted to power and dominance. This has been proven time and time again throughout all of human history and unless they get robot brains, they're never going to turn that part of their brain off. That's a million years of evolution programmed into it and biology, it just simply isn't going to ever turn off.
A real life example: Fred Rogers. One of the most successful people in Ameircan history and he did not by shouting at people. Not by throwing his weight around. Not by making himself the center of attention. He did it by elevating everyone else.
@donalny I do like him for sure. Nit he biggest fan of the show or that weird spinoff. But him as a person was a legend. So how's your new year so far?
I LOVE how those people say they don't sleep and are more "manly" while literally all medical data shows that if you sleep 5h or less your testosterone levels drop 15% when normal rate is around 2% per year
1:15:32 This video confirms that someone needs to make a Venn diagram between manosphere men and fangirls. I mean, when I hear about alphas and betas I'm never sure if I'm hearing about the manosphere or the omegaverse. The admiration of psychos is nearly as popular in Tumblr as it is on the manosphere. The only difference is that most fangirls can actually differentiate between fiction and reality 😂
@@nicalb6929 I will though. Because in this world, I’d like to have my video games and my porn. We can improve things without wrecking everyone’s good time ya know.
Has it though? Or have these evils always existed... and now the internet is making it a lot easier to expose the predators who walk amongst us. People like Tate have always existed....
When Andrew Tate talks lately, you can really see 1) the cumulative effect of every punch to the head he's ever taken; 2) how self-assured you can be if you only surround yourself with yes-men who clap at your every sentence
@@thepagecollectiveAs a young man, I never felt hated by anyone before. On the other hand, I've seen (and also participated in the lower rungs of) how much people love to shit on young women and teen girls
@@berserkerciaran The people who shit one women and teen girls are mostly other women and teen girls, and if you never felt hated on by anyone, you were very sheltered.
If you have to pay for advice, the provider is not your friend. This was a really good video! I admire your presentation of your research, and your ability to present an engaging essay without relying heavily on drama tactics. It feels like a genuine, investigative piece on the origin of all these behaviours and how they came about. Fantastic work!
As a man, with a factoryjob, a beautiful wife that has her own career and I'm proud of her, who loves cooking, shares the housework and loves the sexual pleasure of woman(which makes me beta i guess?), these guys absolutely disgust me🤮
Yeah, they have nothing to contribute except projecting their own weird insecurities on everyone else. The Greek alphabet doesn't account for the multifaceted nature of human experience and expression.
In this post Hbomberguy's plagiarism world, where everyone is scrambling to learn how to cite their sources, you must be pretty satisfied with having always had a good practice with citing your sources
@@GhostRider-uk3xv if you want to cherry pick sure. But then I can just say most loud people are just trying to talk over others because they dislike being without the spotlight.
Wow, showing some clips out of context and claiming they contradict each other. Is that your best "argument"? There are so many strawman arguments in there, you havent tried to listen and understand them one bit.
I'm 40 minutes in, and this video is boring as hell. You keep showing snippets of these people with a kind of "OMG GUYS CAN YOU BELIEVE THEY SAID THIS?!" without ever refuting their claims. One thing your side absolutely CANNOT do is guide young men. In fact, I don't think you believe "men" as a category of living being, exist at all. You have 0 clue as to what they want or aspire to.
Me? I'm chilling. Just finished the video and I was right on the money when I said people like her can't possibly lead boys into fulfilling lives. The entire video screamed NAXALT@@esbenm6544
What’s wild to me is how none of these men decide to actually listen to what women want yet claim to know better Also if they were half as ‘Alpha’ as they say they’d not need to keep showing off as it’d be obvious
@kyleistrying, the ugly truth is this: If the men portrayed in the video are ALREADY getting the attention they want from women, then why should they listen to anything women have to say? If women stopped giving sex to “bad boys”, there’d be like a 90% decrease in “bad boys” within one year.
They do listen lmao, that’s why they bring those women to the podcast and send the message straight from the horse’s mouth. Not my problem if leftwing propaganda prevents you from listening to women
@@harsh3948except they always bring the bottom of the barrel women who just chase clout, no random women off of the street. The women they bring in usually have some social media following and or an only fans account. They have to reach out to those women to bring them on.
@@harsh3948 If the podcast you watch actually listens to women then what would make you think I’m talking about them? Also who said anything about left wing anything? Pretty defensive aren’t you, shadow boxing criticisms I haven’t made lol
Let's not forget; all the 'science' alpha BS takes place in animals in captivity. This is why, at least w/r/t the wolf study, the author retracted the paper.
Yes! I didn't get to touch upon it in the video, but "alpha wolves" in the wild gain their position simply because they're the parents of their pups, which then formed to be their pack (contrary to the notion that they gain "alpha" status from dominating another male).
@@issecret1 I'd love to see what these people would think of a hyena's pack structure. And even in lions, while the male "dominates," he's not "king" for more than a few years, and if the females get sick of his sh!t, they'll gang up on him and either run him off or delete his ass. Goes to show that they cherry pick what animal's social structure they want apply to themselves.
Perhaps, and I know I'm shooting in the dark here, but perhaps misogyny wouldn't have become so popular if it wasn't for all of the misandry in America.
@@JackBond-md4df something had to counteract, you can fight fire with fire or fight it with water. Something HAD to change and quick, so yes, it ended up being a fire with fire situation. Only way more subtle, kind ways to fix things work is if it hadn’t already gone to absolute oblivion.
“Men lead, women follow” Ok, but I like following, it’s fun! Honestly, I really like this quote because it’s states the quiet part of gendered dating dynamics out loud. It’s especially telling how these alpha male types value sexual dominance so highly to a point of comedy. It’s frankly very annoying and distressing at this point when I hear this dynamic of men lead, women follow as the only dynamic that can exist between men and women when I know for fact that it isn’t. It’s also very strange how the sigma female stuff isn’t really even trying to get women to really be the ones leading; it’s rather getting them to “lead from the follow position” which I would imagine leads to really bad and unfortunate situations. I will also say, as someone who likes a more “alpha” partner, being a leader who can “sweep someone off their feet” is good and sexy even. Being a domineering and terrible person is not. I want a partner who can lead me by captivating me with security and trust and confidence, not someone who fear and manipulation to control. If you want a more “beta” partner, talk with people, know thy self, gain some self-security, and talk to people, and when you see someone that you are interested in, be confident, treat them with respect, and hopefully you are able to entice them with your sense of self-security and confidence.
Thank you for making this video! It's a topic I am very passionate about. My first contact with the manosphere was through the lens of incels in early 2019. A member of a mental health support discord server I was a part of said they were feeling depressed and called themselves an incel. This led me down a deepdive into the subject and I ended up joining a server set up by incredible people who tried helping people move away from the incel label and get out of the trap of the manosphere through empathy, reflection and companionship. The last part of the video where you talk about things we (you, I or anyone) could do is extremely overlooked in conversations about the topic. It is easy to point at the popular figures and laugh at their ridiculous ideas or how they constantly contradict themselves but one thing we should not ignore is that there's a reason so many young men are drawn to these characters. They seem to offer understanding and support which is something that has never been in more demand than now in our supercapitalist and individualist culture. Unfortunately the supply for these things is abysmal and so most young people, but especially men, are left stranded with their own insecurities and struggles. Which is where the seemingly successfull, confident, built people swoop in and honeytrap them with false promises of success. The lesson I learned through practice on that discord server is that the only actual "antidote" to this kind of sitatuion is actually listening and talking to the people involved. The findings of Reeves align with my personal experience on the subject of incels (which isn't a part of the manosphere but almost every incel is inside the manosphere from my experience). When there was a survey on the server about 70% (Sample size of roughly 120 and it's been a few years so by no means is this conclusive evidence) incels were people of colour and around 30% were either properly diagnosed with a form of autism or adhd or suspected that they were on the spectrum. These factors can amplify the dread, confusion and fear many people experience when becoming an adult due to their personal experiences being dominated by these factors. Sisyphus 55 called it "The trauma of becoming an adult" in one of their videos and that stuck to me. I'm a firm believer that talking to people solves a lot of issues. Friends, strangers on the internet or, even better, trained professionals. I'm only a stranger on the internet but I have seen multiple people escape their dreadful mindset and become more at ease with themselves and the world thanks to other people listening to and talking with them. We as individuals can't do any of the (in my opinion necessary) systemic changes ourselves but what we can do is be more like a silverback: Proactively compassionate, deescalating and most importantly be there. Don't let other people be lonely if you have the energy necessary for it. I don't know where exactly I am going with this, I'm afraid I got a bit rambly but your video struck a cord unlike many others on the subject. Thank you again for taking the time to put this into such a well crafted video. If any of you who actually read through all of this above feel lonely, just want to chat or something like that, feel free to shoot me a friend request on discord: Name is "looskiss". Don't worry, I'm not selling anything ;) I'm just a dude who is struggling like you.
I really enjoyed reading about your experiences and thoughts as someone else who went partway down the incel pipeline before getting pulled out by friends. It didn't feel rambling at all, so thanks for sharing!
I know I just started the movie, but the guy saying that real men would “force their girlfriend to watch Openheimer”. Why would you need to force them, can’t women go to watch a movie with their SO just to be nice, and why can’t men do the same? The absolute mental weakness and insecurity portrayed there is honestly really sad.
I'm a guy and I went to see Barbie alone, nobody "forced" me, it just looked good, and I've seen it like 4 more times since then cause I enjoyed it so much. If doing something I enjoy makes me "not a real man", then why exactly should I care? They don't have an answer for that. You're just supposed to do what they say in order to be a man, cause if you aren't a man, you're basically a woman, and women aren't men, so do what they say! It's circular logic.
😂😂😂😂 You just don't get it. Concessions to women means you're on a timer, and become a WOMAN, it is death by a thousand cuts (small concessions, all the time, until there is nothing left of who you were when she actually liked you)... you say it so sure, but understand nothing.
@@ggrthemostgodless8713 But WHY would this need to happen? Why do you think women in general, not even mentioning how everyone is different, would need to do this? Where does this insecurity and made-up boogeymen come from?
@@MCKejml It is bc of STATISTICS man, statistics... you simply cannot treat any issue or situations one vy one, we say the IQ of most people is such, or that most men this or that, and we also say that MOST marriages end in divorce, so fro the start, ANY man who gets into that is betting on losing, even if he HOPES he will win. Just like there are things MOST men are supposed to do, woman also have a SHORTER list of things, but since WOMEN file 80% or more of the divorces, it is clear woman become more and more dissatisfied with the man soon after marriage or long term relationship, thus they start "testing" men with small things or concessions... but in general if she doesnt want to do the things you do, I am all for it IF SHE TEHN LEAVES YOU ALONE, but normally they NEED the man to be involved in teh things THEY like, or it is teh man that women expect to make things happen, like pay for all things she wants to do, this is a main reason they invite him, I guess. But man has many things they like and can do by themselves. I have lived alone and with woman before, when I lived alone my bank account grows somehow, when I live with a woman EVEN IF SHE PAYS HALF OF ALL THE BILLS my bank account gets smaller, this is not sometimes this is every time. Why would that be?? well each time we go out or order in or travel, I am paying most of it, and even discussing it is out of bounds, the tears and attitudes and silent treatment etc... I have gotten a lot better at this as I age, but still if a woman lives in the same place bank account gets smaller. Which brings me back to the original comment and your answer, why would women BENEFIT from watching THAT particular movie?? is you cannot guess or know then we have nothing much in common. She would see that a man becomes obsessed and is.... {fill in the blanks}
Interesting how you frame female promiscuity as “progress” and men who aren’t on board with that notion just need to man up and accept these new ideals
@@roxassora2706 what am I accepting exactly? A possible STD? Emotional damage? There's good reason to not want a promiscuous long term partner regardless if you're a man or woman. Sleeping around isn't exclusive to female sexuality
I haven't watched the whole video, just on the second chapter. But I will say this, we will never be rid of this strain of cultural discourse so long as common ground between men and women isn't established. Their a symptom of a general social dislocation that leaves either gender alienated from each other.
You're focusing on character studies but you're not addressing the core issues: rise of lonely men, the state of dating, the implosion of the nuclear family and relationships in general. Your points would be more valid if the social statement wasn't so grim in the western world. And the manosphere didn't do that. Just my 2 cents.
The manosphere is reactionary. It's become a counter grift to the reactionary grift of the manosphere content. Modern day women, and people in general for that matter, don't think past a two year cycle for the most part. The implosion of the nuclear family is the foremost issue in the overarching issue of relationships. How can there be honest growth in society when growing organically as a society has become an unattainable situation.
@@roxassora2706 Nope. She doesn’t have any solutions. Because her criticism boils down to “cry more and still don’t expect anything, but you’ll be seen as a good guy ☺“
"Nathan Fielder's fearlessness shines through in his comedy" holy shit I died laughing because this is sooo true but I've never thought of it like that.
Tried to come up with a male figure I aspire to be like... "I don't want to be just one thing, I can't be. I want to be brave, and I want to be selfless, intelligent, and honest, and kind." Tobias Eaton aka 'Four' in the movie "Divergent." While navigating the corrupt system, he has his own way of doing things. A realist. A closet idealist. Strong in mind and spirit. Humble. Actions speak louder than words. Handsome and ripped is obviously a nice bonus. In real life, Shailene Woodley said she liked working with a 'dominant force.' Theo James looked at her sort of puzzled with a subtle, "Hmm." Because his character simply WAS that way subconsciously by being a person of integrity -- not overtly or in a way that was over the top.
There is one guy who doesn't get enough love on his channel and it makes me sad. I forget his name of course. But his videos are all about him rasingng his boys in his happy on paper marriage and his videos are about being compassionate while handling business for his family to be a good example for his boys. Sad his channel fades into darkness
Shakespeare called it "authority," a strength of will and character that makes people want to follow you. You can fake it well enough to sucker desperate people or coerce followers through money or violence, but as the guy on fresh n fit demonstrated the whole thing falls apart if someone pushes back.
Another amazing video! Definitely was surrounded by the whole "alpha male grind" mindset in high school to the point I subconsciously started code-switching in order to fit in with the "chads" in both school and the eventual work place (been doing it less but still annoyed myself and a lot of guys felt we had to). I also think short form content also skews so many perspectives of characters like Tyler Durden or Patrick Bateman to the point their flaws and complexities are completely missed when you get such a surface level 60 second sampler of them. Kudos on another banger video Ana! ✨🖤 🙏
Yes! It's always so ironic to see those shorts boil Durden/Bateman/(insert another questionable character here) into superficial grindset dudebros. Like their movies were entirely dedicated to breaking down that fantasy 😅 Glad you enjoyed the video! :)
At first, your video seemed like a genuine enough take, however quickly realized that you are not arguing in good faith, nor using the full context of many situations. As well as not giving any focus to the actual point/argument that’s being made. More so focusing on “character assassination” and why their options shouldn’t matter/are contradictive rather than the heart of the argument. You spend most the time covering the “false idols” with a series of constricting clips seemly displaying their hypocrisy. However, this is utterly a weak argument and in most cases you are leaving out important context, while also completely ignoring the fact that they may be making a valid point. At the risk of coming off as condescending I’ll just say that “character assassin” is a lazy “one size fits all” tactic of argument that essentially aims to discredit the source of the information there by implying that none of their opinions have value. No one is gona take you seriously if your not debating the actual substance. Anything else is a circle jerk echo chamber pointless bullshit. There are several instances were you do this without even giving consideration tone/ point and if you do it’s in an incredibly bias way. Some examples: > Andrew Tate promoting the value of work over happiness. There is the basic “workaholic” argument to be made, but really irrelevant to his point. Which is basically the chicken and the egg argument. Do you think anyone can expect to be happy without some hard work involved? Does happiness create hard work? That doesn’t even make sense. If working makes Andrew happy then he is happy. Who are you to say otherwise? The work will lead to more freedom. You even say “I don’t know” like your not letting yourself come to the logical conclusion. > Myron having lack of emotional control and getting angry with women. I think if you add context to the situation you may even have some sympathy for Myron. Their podcasts are in Miami, and therefore a certain type of women which are 90% in the entertainment industry (stripper,model,OF creator) . Combined with the fact that he’s leading and responsible for the quality of the podcast. While he may be quick to react, it’s often as a proactive measure to establish boundaries so other women don’t degrade the quality of the podcast as well and behave similarly . I think in most cases where a woman got kicked off she was lowering the quality of the podcast and would have continued to do so if not removed. Pearl Davis often compliments Myron’s ability to manage a podcast of this type often saying “I don’t know how he does it”. > Pearl Davis blaming relationship issues and divorce on women being selfish. Consider the following factors: no fault divorce, feminism promoting “strong independent woman”, death of religion, individualistic society rather than family oriented, women’s ability to more easily find a new partner, and social media to compound that access and perceived options. And what do you get when you combine it all? You get over 50% divorce rates while 80% of them are initiated by women. Now this is the part where your probably going to give them the benefit of the doubt and assume she had a good reason. But I’m sure the alimony/child support payments never effect her decision. Money definitely doesn’t incentive people to do things right? > Your spinning of the traditional argument. As if they are stuck in the past and not embracing progress or “ challenging norms”. And yet we have 40 year old women freezing their eggs or losing the opportunity to ever have a family because they prioritized their career their entire life. If you extrapolate your perspective over multiple generations you get people who’s perspectives and values aren’t perpetuated into the future and therefore do not impact humanity in the long term. This world changing “progressive” ideology you seem to be proud of will be more like a whimper in the time line of humanity and will be replaced by those who followed the more traditional path. It’s pretty simple, just look who is having children. Religious conservative people and the Amish. > I don’t see the point on spending too much time regarding the fictional characters (Bateman, Durtan). Cause you know…. They’re fictional…. If anything these movies/characters are used as meme fuel to convey certain ideas. So it’s not surprising you see these everywhere in the “Mano sphere”. So your saying people shouldn’t worship fictional movie characters? Tell women to stop watching Barbie. You make the criticism that men idolize these men and then talk about the true meaning behind of the movie as if your the only one capable of understanding. Is it not possible that men can both appreciate the character and the growth/downfall of said character simultaneously? > While I appreciate you covering the “dark fem” issue it’s not a 1 to 1 compared to the “red pill/Mano sphere”. While one is almost entirely toxic/manipulative the other has many layers of truth and wisdom that can lead to a better life for a man who is struggling as a loser for lack of a better term. Overall while these icons may not be perfect at least men have something to look too. Who should men look to in your opinion?
@@forsaken_bacon tldr You could've just skipped the video, but your emotions made you write a manifesto for other insecure dude bros. Not very alpha lol
@@ShirleyTimple I can tell you didn’t even read beyond the first few sentences of my comment. Caring more about starting an argument rather then productive dialogue. Your right I didn’t have to watch the video. But I actually try to see both sides which requires actually doing it. If I didn’t try to understand both sides then I’d be you. You know, lazy and live in a bubble echo chamber? But I’m sure you got it all figured out. When your the one immediately condemning the other side without even being open minded with a discussion, then your the problem. And I never called myself an “alpha” lol which is just another indicator of how lazy/bad faith you are. Pretty common through line with people in this comment section. Hopefully you all get you head out of your ass before it’s too late and you destine yourself to a miserable life.
how come you do not mention the unprecedented virginity rate amongst males in this decade? or the ever declining birth rates in western societies? the model you deem as progressive and forward bringing is one that is beggining to peel at the seams and uncover its flaws. And issues such as declining birth rates are quite detrimintal to human survival.
Sex is not all there is to life. The birth rate might have declined, but we already have too much people on earth. If you want children go to orphanages. They need a parent more than you need a child. If you qant sex just buy prostitutes. Just because someone is virgin doesnt mean theyre not human or that they dont contribute anything to society.
Birth rates are down cause having children is expensive. Economic safety nets would solve this issue, better paid amd longer parental leave for both the mother and father for example. Also no one is owed sex or a relarionship. You have to do some work to achive one with an actual desire to *connect* to another human being, not just cause you feel entitled to one. Basic grooming, good or unique fashion sense and being nice to others can get you far. Pick up a hobby or something your passionaye about to strike uo conversations with others. No surprise people cant find a date when they go the blackpill route after being rejected once.
I’ve watched more than one video on this topic. It’s convenient that one of the main reason why men seek out that content isn’t explored. In my life I’ve been lied to, Manipulated, groped, stalked and cheated on by… women. I assure I’m not the only man that’s experienced this. I know you’ll say. It’s my and every man’s fault why women do these things. It’s my internalize misogyny or sexism, or what ever. Ladies you have bad actors in your ranks. I say this not to blame but as a warning. men will continue to seek out this content until this has been addressed. The growing number of horror stories men hear about will push the divide between men and women even more.
They refuse acknowledge the clash with the conflicting ideologies and play both sides without risking back lash from their core audience, and chose to focus on the obvious loudest griftors, while demonizing anyone who has valid criticism of western progressive rhetoric. Yet always have these same videos explaining to cognitively dissonant suburbanites how these figures have gathered such a large audience. This constant need for moral superiority because of some perceived inferiority/victimhood complex is some boiling frog bs. It is surreal to watch how reactionary dissenting commentary play out.
It’s convenient because her feminist agenda prevents her from criticizing women as feminist victimhood ideology prevents the oppressor (men) from giving any valid criticism to the oppressed (women)
It always feels like a couple weeks pass between your uploads but everytime i check, its multiple months lol. Not saying you should increase your workload or try to post more frequently, but just shows the impact you have on my day when you do lol. As for the video topic. As a a man, i don't pay attention to none of these dudes. Only know the bald one cause he's accused of like 9 crimes or some shit and the internetis making it everyone's business. But uh... As for what it means to be a man, I'll just stick to what I've been doing and what my own parents taught, thanks lol.
I think it is also very productive to talk about the "traditional" masculine traits that are considered good. Wholesome traits like Being a caring and responsible father to your children. Standing up for your values. Willing to make sacrifices for those you care about and love. Willing to protect those you care about and love. Etc. I think it is important to contrast the toxic aspects of traditional masculinity, like might makes right or women must always submit to men, without dismissing the more wholesome things that ever made traditional cultural attitudes about masculinity appealing in the first place.
This podcast provides no value and epitomizes why the manosphere is blowing up. You are contributing to the problem rather than seeking understanding and providing pragmatic solutions.
@@JackBond-md4df She doesn’t have any solutions. Because her criticism boils down to “cry more and still don’t expect anything, but you’ll be seen as a good guy ☺“
@@harsh3948 okay just because the manosphere offers solutions that doesn't necessarily make them good solutions. That's like putting a square peg through a round hole you can do it if you destroy the whole.
@@DarksideGmss0513 if you criticize a solution without being able to provide a better one, you’re just being either deliberately stupid or have an agenda (such as the breadtuber in this case having marxism)
@@harsh3948 because there's no "better" solutions to give. Everyone is different and has different problems so you give them a solution to fix the problem they have. The manosphere is trying to be a one size fits all solution for all of men's problems. It ultimately fails because it lacks the nuance to accomplish that task. Because not all men are the same just like not all women are the same just like men and women are different.
@@DarksideGmss0513 it doesn’t “fail”. If it did, it wouldn’t have such a dedicated following in the first place. Feminism DID fail men, hence why only a few brainwashed men actually follow it
I cannot express how validating it is to listen another woman manifest her love for Fight Club. It's also one of my favorite movies. The book is one of my favorites also. But listening to the manosphere expressing the same opinion nearly makes me think that I'm wrong 😅 (Which, of course, I'm not, because I do possess media literacy xd)
Always see people making essays about the red pill. At least you you bring up some of the issue that could push these men to that ideology but ultimately you won't go full in because it also means you will have to criticize women. Most women when they say they want women when they say they want men to show emotions refer to them. They want us to not dismiss their emotions and pay attention. Most of the time women will say they want a man to show emotions but not too much. How am i suppose to know where that limit is. I saw a jubilee vid that went viral recently there was a guy there who cried the women rate him last in terms of attractiveness . Of course if i ask you if it is ok for men to cry and show emotions you will say yes but in practice it's completely different. And i had the same issue .The first time a woman i was dating cried in front of me i was not sure how to react, what to say. And it has been proven when women are faced with men having an emotional moment most of the time they will end up feeling less of them. Most women still want men to make more than them. Even though nowadays more and more women are getting higher positions making more money. You don't need to be a genius in numbers to realize how this cant work. Since men who make money for the most part don't care about women's finance. And if you're gonna say not all women. I have dated a woman who made more than me once and i will never do that again. The moment there's issues and arguments she always throws that fact in my face and tried to shame me for it. So that's why I don't accept shit or gifts from women.You say men don't need to be aggressive. Let's say you were in the street and a guy assaulted you and your boyfriend instead of jumping in to defend you, he ran or started to beg that guy to stop, tell me you will still be attracted to that guy.
True. There are women that can make compromises, but most just can't. They do want a man to look up to. Both physically (length) and in terms of merit and status. A career woman making stacks, will only look up to a man making even more stacks. Like you, I have real life examples backing it up. A crying man is indeed seen as useless, superficially at least. It's ok if your mom died and there's a tear or two.. if she's known you for like 10+ years. She on the other hand, may cry a river if there's some super vague relative that just kicked the bucket. The crazier ones do it at work too.. and it's supposed to be acceptable, because well she's a girl and don't be horrible you lout. It's just biology and it won't change any earlier than in 20 generations time. This video is one of the better anti-manosphere video's I've seen. At least it proposes somewhat realistic solutions like bringing back male teachers. Otherwise it's just "be yourself".. Well, if you just are yourself, prepare to be alone. As a man, you have to achieve stuff. Even women treat making friends like work.. and that actually does the trick. Don't be yourself, get out there and make something out of your life! It's always been this way, and it will never change. Women having careers, just raised the bar a lot.
@@earx23 The bar for what is expected from a man nowadays is a lot higher than what previous generations . My parents just celebrated their 30year of marriage. And most my ant and uncle are in relationships that span over 30years so i know that the red pill is not conducive to a long term relationship. Long term relationship are not easy. There will be issues you could get fired, fall sick, there will be arguments and a lot of compromise, understanding and unselfishness will be needed but people nowadays are only in it for themselves. These same women criticizing the red pill will have a bunch of unrealistic expectations for men.
@@mondrayredas2004 She doesn’t have any solutions. Because her criticism boils down to “cry more and still don’t expect anything, but you’ll be seen as a good guy ☺“
As an asian men grows up in Asian environments, to me masculine always have been the ability to use your power to protect the weak instead of using it for evil. Its especially a strong mesaage from kids show like Kamen rider where the protagonist is given power to do evil but he choose the opposite.
There is just no going back to that old time, neither men or women liked it... men became workhorses for LIFE to support women and HER kids... and woman resented the control and saw no benefits in that... UNTIL now that women have been working for a few decades, now we see a FEW of them making videos complaining ""who's idea was it, who thought getting women to work was a god idea, I want a man to do that, I want to be home taking care of my kids!!"" But all that is too late, hopefully "someone" will make a video about that. (wink)
"who's idea was it, who thought getting women to work was a god idea, I want a man to do that, I want to be home taking care of my kids!!" There are manosphere types who like to emphasize the women saying that, as if to demonstrate that women's suffrage/liberation was a mistake that women now regret. But I see it from a different perspective: Almost nobody really _wants_ to have a job. Most of us would love it if we could just stay at home doing stuff we enjoy instead of making sure we have food and shelter. Some women actually do enjoy being home with their kids and would choose that if given the opportunity (which the average household can't afford on one income). But I think the whole, "men are obligated to financially support me" thing is just a shitty way for those women to justify the fact that they don't want to work. And most of the time, it's a warning sign that they don't even want to take care of the household, but instead want to be a lazy sponge.
The Dumbo Kojak always cracked me up. He's so deep in the closet, he flew past Narnia and ended up somewhere between Se×s In The City and Brokeback Mountain😂.
Sorry, but biology is real. We both have roles to play in a natural order. You can all cope and pretend we are now in some new age where we are so different and woke now. We arent. This shit is really simple. You dont see other animals deliberately changing mating strategy. At the end of the day, when serious events take place, we all revert back to our biology. Sure with time things will change and we can live in some woke future. In due time. Us playing this accelerated game of changing the way we mate select and the roles we take is the underlying problem in society in this new age. I want this progressive future, where we all understand relate and respect eachother. Thats not gonna happen though if we cant truthfully relate with eachother and understand the real life biological urges and emotions that drive men and woman. Instead we seem to believe biology plays a smaller role than it does, and end up disregarding it entirley, and shunning our natural emotions because we are supposed to be living these progressive new lives. Evolution doesnt work that fast. There will absolutely be a huge push back against this new hyper progressive culture and solely because we are trying to change the natural order way to fast. Unfortunately we wont see the problems this culture has created for another 7 years when all the marriages fail and birth rates decline and depression and self deletion skyrocket.
"Insecurities scream, confidence whisper." That speaks a lot when a guy show off his masculinity and promote it to the whole world. "If we want to see a civilised man, just look at the manners and language." We can see how civilised these alpha males are just by their manners and language.
Glad to see you're back, your vids are always worth a watch. I was genuinely surprised to hear people idolized Amy Dunne. When I watched Gone Girl I audibly gasped when the twist was revealed and was seething at what her character acted after that. I think "False Idols" perfectly describes how some people engage with these characters.
Thank you for taking the time to make this video (finally got around to watching it). So well researched and put together. Growing up with autism and ADHD, I found myself being very lonely in my life despite having a good career and many friends so I can totally identify where people feel this vacuum is coming from (fortunately I'm in a very loving relationship now with someone I adore). I feel this unspoken group of men need more positive people to help them understand why they are lonely and what to do about it as well as role models, because currently the message is that if you're a white / cis / straight guy, you're inherently bad... and as you very well point out, that's simply not the case. So I always appreciate videos like this that help people understand so much why people turn to such craziness in the first place.
This was a valiant effort, but ultimately your bias is extremely evident. You clearly lean toward progressive ideals and feminist ideology which makes most of your perspective as flawed as the manosphere. Just as some men cannot be manly in the traditional sense, MOST men cannot be manly in a progressive sense. Videos like this act as if the "manosphere" should not exist and that no one should ever buy anything that it makes to improve themselves, but in reality most of these creators could never understand the lack many men feel and how important the work is because most of them, like yourself, are not men.
Gotta remember: these guys are awkward, overlooked if not made fun of, and get mixed messages (men need to be emotional but we will laugh at them for crying). Anything that comes in, throws a wrench in the system and promises "fixes", of course they're gonna listen and gather together to make an audience. Simply calling them toxic doesn't help. You have to see WHY these channels are influential. You need to evaluate genuine flaws the left has had in their treatment of men societally. You need to acknowledge a truth that isn't allowed to be acknowledged: testosterone IS healthy for men and men need it. Testosterone does not equal toxic personality traits. Having testosterone doesn't mean you need some cringe identifier like "alpha male", and it doesn't mean you need to prove you're tough. There are healthy creators in the men's health field, ones who tell you NOT to pick fights, tell you how to reach healthy bodies, and would laugh at the Tates and Rollos. But, since these calm and objective creators can't be sensationalized like the ones you've shown here, they aren't seen or shared.
than why dont the modern women step up an act right like a woman should be (nurturing) be( caring )be kind be (thoughtful).Don't ask a man to quit his job. dont search for better, This also goes for men as well .Do better''. women' maybe will come back why dont you answer the shy mans text or contribute to the conversation don't call a guy with long hair or disability creepy dont call the guy who wants your attention creepy, Maybe will want to come back to society but society a,nt don't date or dont sleep with the bad boys than complaint about it. Give us a chance to grow stop complaining to your gfs your man doesnt do enough you guys need to b a partnership and if he works a 8am to 3pm job monday to the weekend give him space . plan together. enjoy what you have dont look for the bad boy Maybe will want to come back to society once Western women smarten up,
sometimes you need a little help, or a different point of view on a problem you're having. Take in everything and ponder upon it; don't disregard an opinion just on the basis on what, or who someone is
I refuse to hear this in any other terms. And I imagine Sigmas as sassy Omegas. So every time one of these pills claims to be an Alpha male, I just imagine them looking for breedable omega males. It's even funnier when they say they're sigmas
A different perspective on the plight of men, in a way. So in short, to better help men is to basically come from the standpoint that men in their natural states, or men that behave traditionally ''manly'' or masculine is wrong and unhealthy, and men should ''be more vulnerable and emote more akin to women? That in itself is a fallacious. Men have innate traits just as women do, pushing to change them would have no benefit. Interesting take, but it seemed of contemptuous nature and cherry picked for the sake of ridicule solely, totally ignoring the reason why the ''manbox'' would exist. Get that $$$ though.
@@MCKejml I'd argue in this instance cherry-picking these quick segments w/o context of the full conversations or topics involved, leans towards a bad faith approach/manipulative/smear tactics; a false narrative.The same tactic these legacy news/main stream media outlets use.
Tom Shelby has a lot of memorable lines from the show tbh (and that one's one of my favs!), so I don't get why these sigma accounts have to resort to Tumblr-esque cringe
This is a really good video! But I see the same weakness here that I see in almost every criticism of the manosphere. I'm not a prescriber of such things, I think it's dumb. However, in almost every criticism I've seen, people spend very little time actually talking about the most important thing, how these guys get all these followers. Even in this video, only a few minutes of the runtime is dedicated to the fact that a big reason why this movement continues to persist is that most of society ignores the plight and hardship of young men. Of course a lost young man is going to follow someone who seems to talk directly to them, understand what they're going through, and give them a prescription to make their lives better. I really love to see a deep dive into that. It would be the first step in actually counteracting these alpha male ideas.
But the left is simply incapable of doing that, because it thrives off of a social victimhood hierarchy with straight men at the bottom who have zero chance of upward mobility
32:30 - 32:44 what do you mean specifically? Are you talking about double standards that women face i.e wage gaps etc? or the criticism of the double standards of women compared to men i.e women sexual assault cases are taken seriously, then men. Its not really clear what you mean without bring examples to clarify your statement. I have a problem with following statement, You say “continuously empower them to reach for the same independence and success as men back in the day” which you also say is “good” and “progressive”. Isn’t that a bit backwards considering that today we condemn the men of the past but yet we want women to be like the men of the past?? What you are suggesting isn’t progressive, it’s the pendulum swing of gender roles which ironically what feminists today champion as “equality” (well the more vocal ones)
It’s not all wrong, but a lot of it is extremely wrong. I just feel bad for these people who will never have a meaningful relationship with a woman. It’s not ok for a man to get up when the baby is crying? Damn bro. That’s a bit much.
I hope your mental health is alright after going through so many manosphere videos. I would rather get water-boarded than watch a single manosphere video.
I'd offer up only 1 critique to your video (which was very great), there really needs to be a societal reconfiguration about what men are allowed to be. This includes women also facing what kinds of things they are attracted to in men as well as men confronting the constructions of patriarchal masculinity. One of the reasons why men feel the need to be hypermasculine is because women, being more financially and socially successful than ever before has created this pressure on men who still being held to protector/provider patriarchal standards feel that they must compete and succeed on a much higher level. Things such as willingness to financially and socially "date down" need to become more common amongst women. We *all* need to drop these expectations of men and the only criticism of this video that I have is that it leaned a bit too heavy on the male side of things without addressing any expectations that women may have of men. Actually one more critique haha. When explaining the "manosphere" it is important to point out the lifestyle portrayed by these content creators is made to affirm. When shown that living lavish lifestyles with money, respect and women is the prize for pursuing and achieving the ideal masculinity under patriarchy it is really hard for young men to look at that and then refuse it. Due to it being pretty true that achieving that sort of patriarchal ideal masculine will gain you more access to women and respect from society, the lie is that most men or even some men can achieve it, it is simply an affirmation of the system that ultimately oppresses men and everyone in society, that being late-stage patriarchal capitalism (capitalism as it exists under a patriarchal paradigm). Really good video! Hope these critiques aren't taken in bad faith, they are ultimately just things i personally would have wanted to hear more from the video. Have a good one and good luck!
Well put, and I had similar thoughts after watching the videos; something I noticed with the online discourse that tries to deconstruct the "Manosphere" is that they always come up short in understanding the lived experiences of the men most vulnerable to these narratives and men at large, while ironically infantilizing women in their role regarding social change. Encouraging men to be more open and supportive of each other and not reinforce toxic masculinity is good. Still, I feel women's role in supporting patriarchy and being harmful in how they navigate the social world is consistently underplayed in these circles. I'm not saying it's all women's fault or responsibility to improve things. Still, the complete lack of challenging patriarchal norms, like men primarily being the pursuers, leads to impossible expectations and narratives of worth on both sides because, to some extent, worthiness is pre-defined by this dynamic. I, and I'm sure many men, will find it very difficult ever to open up because we've seen how men can be humiliated directly without push back socially or indirectly by hearing about another man's lowest point through a woman whom they made the mistake of trusting. I'm not trying to say that a man can't open up or trust anyone, but from my experience, the narrative that there are "Nice" people out there can be just as much a narrative as whatever the Manosphere presents as reality. Don't get me started on morality and carrying oneself in a way that aligns with values beyond what is good for one's self; feminism and the left have let the right and manosphere own those ideas and wholly failed in trying to encourage women to carry themselves in a 'moral' way if that makes sense. Maybe this is misogynistic, but most women I've met in my life are allergic to accountability and deeply patriarchy in how they carry themselves despite what they claim to believe.
Exploring more of how women, too, can perpetuate patriarchal ideals of men and how it contributes to the overall problem is a follow-up video worth considering. Thanks for your feedback! :) I'm glad you enjoyed the video.
@@delneus both of you make good points. Feminism and the manosphere deserve each other. Both make assertive matter of fact claims. Societal standards for women have not caught up with their feminist rhetoric. They love to break men down and act surprised when some individuals capitalize on a market that these women themselves created.
Nothing more masculine than having to perpetually announce to the world how manly you are. So manly they require a woman to do absolutely everything for them.
You know whats "alpha" ???? Being a decent human being , being you , and understanding your role in the world and what you want to do in it. Have focus and discipline , self improve and take care of your loved ones. If women or society doesnt like it , hell if this RP BS doesnt like it , fuck em
@@slardebard the life. I mean, alfa is etiquette given to someone in a hierarchy, but your group of friends isn't a hierarchy that matters, and hierarchys can be organised and flexible or not exist at all, and based in random qualities, so anybody can be an alpha for any motive...
I've been saying for a few years now that Fight Club is the perfect Manosphere/Alpha Male movie. It accurately depicted the rise of what would eventually become the Manosphere. And like you said, a lot of these groups look up to Fight Club and Tyler Durden as a bible and role model. It's incredibly ironic that they have, in turn, missed the entire point of what Chuck Palahniuk and David Fincher intended with the story in general. Fight Club is also one of my all-time favorite movies in general.
I love it when all those alpha males tell me I don't understand when I have everything they say they want while never actually doing anything they say to do.
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Thanks for your patience with this video, it's good to be back! :') (I am also on the final season of The Sopranos, this show has been wild 😭)
Happy holidays everyone! 🎄✨️
Sopranos is cool, check out "The Wire"..!
Gawd bless Murica 🤓 🖕
It's been a while, but I want to say you mentioned living in a country other than the U.S. at some point in the past. So not sure if they run the same TV commercials there. But an actress has recently been promoting a certain prescription drug she apparently takes herself. She looks 30 something, pretty, and gives you the thought that you know her from somewhere. It's Jamie Lynn Sigler. Meadow from The Sopranos. She has MS. Such a raw deal. Life humbles EVERYONE.
The intro is the time he spends going to his best time he spends with the best lady he ever met. Dr Malfi
Happy holidays 🥲
Sopranos is so good. This video was awesome as per usual. Thanks for existing
tate saying that happiness isnt for men is literally just the "fellas is it gay to be happy" meme but somehow treated like a serious thing
Except it isn't a meme. Its a sobering reality, and the perception has been shaped by women. Men have to be tall, they have to be an earner, they have to be stoic. No one gives a shit if men are happy, and the inequality in suicide rates between men and women back that as well as the death rate of homeless people. A vast majority of the time if you don't earn, you're a loser. If you show insecurity in front of your woman, congrats, your relationship just jumped off a fucking cliff. To put it crudely, the success of a man isn't measured in wealth, its measured by the quality of pussy he can pull.
that is not the point, he is trying to state that society's obsession with the pursuit of happiness is non optimal, thus has consequences. People spend their lives chasing this unrealistic child-like happiness only to find out it functions the same as a high, happiness dissipates. it simply cannot be perpetually maintained, its impossible. The only thing close to this ideal, is to learn to be content/fulfilled. You would of been able to grasp the difference if you watched the original clip.
@@davidangelo4018
It is just part of his sales pitch.
"Don't worry guys, if you are not satisfied bc you are not getting results from my advice that I give while living in luxury most will never achieve...don't worry that means it is working...men are not supposed to be happy anyway...so keep buying my hustler courses."
@@davidangelo4018 Happiness can absolutely be maintained. It's all about what you value and where you find it. Seeking it in hollow, material pursuits will dissipate because they're not actually meaningful. People chase money and status for the illusion it, but they ultimately need more because it doesn't fulfil anything. I know plenty of people who live simple lives where their focus is on the people around them and community, and they're the happiest people you'd ever meet. That doesn't fade like some high, it's a state of being.
isn't gay another word for happy?
When I was kid the common wisdom was that in the adult world men get to have all the freedom and fun. Now it turns out men aren't allowed to have fun either. Just accumulate wealth, buy things they don't need to impress men they hate. Don't feel, don't sleep, don't make a nice meal, don't practice self care, don't form attachments, etc. This is so bleak.
Its just propaganda to try make us even better worker drones. I for one like enjoying my life lol
You said the magic word: freedom. If you are trying to conform to someone's blueprint of how to be you are already someone's birch. Probably the birch of a birch. Your "hero" probably didn't make it up but got fed it and swallowed it.
It's the patriarchal status quo... men are worker drones, women are sex objects, children are test subjects... and the patriarchs sit as oligarchs.
That’s the life he lives.
If you NEED to have a masculine role model through film then look at Aragorn. The guy is everything you could want to be.
My alpha male idol is Theodore Roosevelt.
Aragorn was always my role model.
Honestly yes. Its great to encourage masculinity, so long as its the positive kind. Plus, I don't think there's many women who've watched LotR and seen any man more worthy of love as Aragorn.
@@fullmetaltheorist One of the actual good answers and not just some fictional character
Aragorn! What a perfect role model. You guys are gonna be THE in-demand bachelors at the renaissance fair.
I’m fully convinced a lot of these guys use speed. Not needing sleep? Super agitated? Obsessed with making money and image? Maybe he’s born with it, maybe it’s methamphedamine
Adderall is honestly the go-to streaming enhancement substance in every content genre and community. I think the way some of these Manosphere put on their assertive ✌alpha✌front for speaking on stream, ends up just making em slip into a cocaine-intense style of talking instead, and makes their performance enhancing habits much easier to notice for the viewer
Your theory is way better than mine. I thought Bro might’ve been manic or something.
@@kaylarichardson2204 Me too, he sounds like he's in the midst of a psychosis
😂😂😂
100% Meth + narcissism.
"Pride not the opposite of shame, but its source. True humility is the only antidote to shame." -Uncle Iroh
I miss that show
That’s a real fucking man right there. I live by his ideals everyday
Him and Thorfinn from Vinland Saga (including his father) are true masculine role models
Iroh the Dragon. A gently crackling campfire with a pot of tea bubbling over it all through seasons 1-3 then suddenly he unveils the dragon. The single most badass fire bender in the show 😂
Iroh’s a true man! 🙌🏻 I’d rather be like him, Aragorn, and Rick O’Connel in terms of personality, than these stupid “alpha males” any day!
I think another thing about Patrick Bateman that these sigma male astrologists miss because they don't know how subtlety works is that Bateman actually a completely useless individual in the film. 1. He's a nepo baby (his dad basically owns the firm). 2. He's never entrusted with any real responsibilities (see his resentment at Paul Allen for handling important accounts). 3. He's completely self absorbed and arrogant yet completely forgettable to the point he gets mistaken for someone else constantly. 4. He doesn't actually know how to do his job, we never see him doing any real work even at the office and most tellingly when Willem Dafoe comes to interview him and he pretends to be on a phone call he doesn't actually discuss his business but surface level men's fashion.
You understood the point of the character! He was textbook sociopath, pretending to be "normal" around a bunch of people that don't care who he was on the inside, as long as he looked the part and didn't make them look bad. Everything you mentioned is why he carried so much grandeur. He was sheltered his entire life, leading him to believe that he'd accomplished everything with "hard work and determination," but has never struggled a day in his life.
You get it. He's not a human being. Just an aesthetic.
@@KarlMarkyMarxx for that reason, i interpreted the crimes as being idle daydreams he was too feckless to dare carry out. he fooled the public into thinking he was a master of the universe, and he fooled himself into thinking he was some super-dangerous man of will. Its an alter ego no more real than Tyler Durden is. I suspected his story would end with him OD'ing, and perhaps slicing off his own junk, in a jacuzzi.
That's all true, but there's something to say about the guy's discipline, he clearly was a sociopath and an incompetent human being, but his ability to remain constant, to carry out a routine down to a T for years without failing (even after he goes fully insane), to take care of his health and his appearance to the point of obsession. To me, those specific traits are not evil or toxic, quite the opposite, and that's partially why a good number of women feel attracted to him, because they saw his consistency, his diligence and commitment to his life and work, even if he was just pretending (and also because he was rich and handsome, of course). What I'm trying to say is that there's value in those qualities, so long as they're distinguished and separated from his terrible behavior (misogyny, sociopathy, entitlement, incompetence, etc.). The "internet Alpha males" have issues doing that and claim that the whole persona is a role model, while the "blue pill" side of the spectrum throws out the baby with the bathwater and claim that the whole persona is toxic and evil, but personally I think there's a balance, and both sides are half way correct.
That’s a fictional character. 🤷🏽 wtf you talking about?
Re: Andrew Tate, If an athlete ever brags about their lack of sleep, stop listening to them.
A symptom of male hysteria
He's on video talking about how he also thinks of sex as a chore and doesn't derive any enjoyment from eating food. Being that joyless and self-punishing has got to be some kind of psychological disorder.
@@AngryReptileKeeper Yes.
Straight male art student here
Anyone who says sleep is worthless is an absolute clown
@@water_color female programmer here, same
>Can’t show feelings but also can’t be a frigid emotionless husk
>Can’t be a slave to your work but also can’t simply live within your means
>Can’t trust women to respect you but also can’t trust men not to compete with you
>Can’t enjoy other women’s company but also should plow as many of them as possible
>Can’t be burdened by social expectations but also should take any opportunity to flex on others
>Can’t be subservient to anyone but also should uncritically take advice from men more successful than you
If you rearrange all the contradictory statements about what it means to be an alpha male you get something like America Ferrera’s monologue from Barbie
It's narcissistic envy run amok, and they think everyone thinks just like them.
Lol I honestly couldn't have made a better comparison.
It's all rooted in the patriarchy which hurts everyone. Men are held up to unrealistic and contradicting expectations like we are, just different ones.
I wanna see the self contradictory compilation video. Like, JUST that. So I can pass it around to people who need to see it together, rather than spread out which is why they have as many fans as they do
None of these statements are contradictory. Nor are they very accurate/ genuine to the argument being made .
I”m sure I’ll get “incelled” but you wouldn’t want to stay in your echo chamber now would you?
>There’s nothing wrong showing emotion. Unless it’s to your woman as a man. Leave that shit for someone else. It’s not mens fault that women lose respect for men they see as weak. You gona tell women to prefer the guy who cries about his feelings all day? A relationship will not work without respect. For some reason women can cry like little babies and still garner respect. Congratulations
>Again your applying a female dynamic to men. What does it mean to “live within your means”? If men are to be the protectors and providers then they got to go get the shit so that if can be provided right? Or your not interested in being protected and provided for? This comes down to how much you work and how good you are with money. That is what determines your “means”.
> I’m not sure where your getting the point women aren’t trusted to show respect. Or, men competing with you. Are you saying everyone on the planet is trust worthy and has your best interest in mind? Your gona be disappointed.
>You can dislike someone and still find them physically attractive. Or are men bad for having sexual desire lol?
>A lot of “red pillars” discuss accepting and embracing the social expectations of protector and provider so I’m not sure where you’re getting that. I’m also not seeing the contradiction to “flexing on others “. What social expectations are you referring too?
>How is taking someone’s advice make you subservient to them? And why would you not be open to the advice of someone more successful then you?
So now going through your “contradictions” I can see you’re not arguing in good faith. You’re seemingly forcing these ideas as contradiction’s while not considering important nuanced information.
Cooking a nice meal for your woman when she visits is seductive, not submissive. These guys talk like they've never dated before
And this is the thing about Alpha behavior they got wholly and entirely wrong! In some species, the males hunting for, and feeding their mate, is a sign of devotion and care, not a sign of submission. In some cases giving their "potential" mate food is the very beginning of the mating ritual!
It's not just about "bringing home the bacon", it's about showing love and care, not about obligation.
The manisphere calls it chore-play.
WORD
This is why you don’t take dating advice from women.
#1 - You can’t seduce a masculine woman. It just doesn’t work. You can have sex, but she’s not feeling desire.
2. The most famous “seducer” of women in history was Casanova, and he was successful by lying to women & telling them what they wanted to hear. Basically, he was a con artist.
3. The advice given by these men you’re dogging out - yeah a lot is exaggerated like “don’t sleep” - but the best thing a man can be is better than the woman who wants him, so they can actually admire & desire him.
That doesn’t happen with doing dishes, or cooking meals, or any of that other bull$hit.
Men require respect. Women only sleep with men they respect.
End of story.
okay simp
If being a Alpha male means I can't enjoy drawing or anime. I'll past, don't care how I look to the alphas or females anymore. Just let me create in peace.
Oh yeah i rejected their society long ago. I don't care to appeal neither to women nor the alphas. They are a match made in heaven for eachother. I will just keep enjoying my anime to the grave
@@keylanoslokj1806 right, it means giving up stuff you enjoy and having things you don’t care about in the end or being with someone you don’t actually care for or becoming someone that’s not yourself. Isn’t worth it. I mean I watched a lot of these guys. But when I started watching Tate I started questioning. How does this help me and at the end of the day none of them care.
Where do you post your work? Interested to see. 😄
@@joniahdemarco3371 Nowhere, I suck at the moment. My goal is to make my own manga/comic someday.
@@keylanoslokj1806 you embraced narcissism, congratulations. The welfare will make sure you meet your doom.
Watching a bunch of men talk about how they have to keep their emotions under control while screaming and swearing about things they invented to be upset about is just draining
watching a bunch of women try to understand what a man wants while at the same time failing at femininity, judging masculinity and still wanting everything and nothing from us, is draining.
@@nab-88 aw bro, you tried and failed
@@DarkPuppy9 wdum? U had a pop at men so I had the same pop back. Equality yeah?
@@DarkPuppy9 No, you're the failed one here bud.
@@nab-88 it's literally about a bunch of guys who whine about shit they made up. You tried to whataboutism
Oh my god! I’m literally all of them! People will never understand how I’m both sigma and alpha. I can chop wood and disrespect women at the same time!
Never say Never
Disrespect = not taking shit from women?! Because that’s basically it
@@kant.68 you and I both know the only women in your life are blood relatives. Maybe if you got out of your feelings...
I cackled 😂
lmao
I actually reside in the man-o-cube. It's more manly because it has sharp edges. Spheres have curves which are a thing woman have which I am not.
Andrew Tate is like a cartoon character, or if you asked a kid in 8th grade what a tough guy is like. Myron just cant seem to find his way out of the closet.
More like a 4th grader.
I’m glad I’m not the only one whose ‘raydar’ is going off about Myron 😂😴
This is why I have the opinion that Tate is just a 14 year old who never grew up.
Saying depression is like me it's like beating Andrew with a stick and saying "This stick isn't real therefore you're not getting hurt"
The men who get my utmost respect are the ones keeping society together, the plumbers, the builders, the heavy machinery conductors, the street cleaners... Without which our modern society wouldn't even exist. Respect to the silent majority doing their jobs and keeping us all fed, clean and secure.
I'm reminded of how the bankers went on strike,no one noticed, sanitation workers did, EVERYONE noticed and caved in days, the city became unlivable.
Women do all of those things as well
not the consensus and the few who are involved, aren't many good ones
@@Rosa5311 Stats/facts plz.... we're waiting. Still have yet to see one female garbage collector,, ever.
@@Rosa5311yes there are women in those fields but the percentage of women in those fields is miniscule. Just like females make up the majority of social services workers, nurses and teachers. These are valuable roles in society too. It's equally sexist to devalue the contribution men are making to society as it is to devalue the contribution women are making in their respective fields. As for why women don't gravitate towards those jobs is we don't have the physical endurance to do it, although there are exceptions, it's mostly the men holding it down in those areas. Let's not devalue them. Let's not be sexist.
You have to control your emotions, screams the hysterical man on the verge of an anger aneurysm.
"Going to bed is immasculating. Cowards needs sleep".
*The patients who survived the Russian Sleep Experiment:* 🗿🗿🗿🗿
Andrew Tate talking about working hard... Is human trafficking a grueling profession?
what else would you expect from a feminist? as always lie and primitive manipulation
Most women respect pimps more than betas. That's why, surprise surprise, pimps have many more women following them than betas do
that truly had to be said, It Had To Be Said
Because of the lack of evidence Romanian authorities have released Andrew Tate, however the chase is still ongoing. but the release hints a potential win for Andrew's innocence.
Btw hes a 4x Kickboxing Champion, very few people on earth worked as hard as he did. I know because I too am a kickboxer(not on his level)
@@davidangelo4018 it's great you admire rapists so much
I was a Beta male who aspired to be an Alpha male. I tried so hard, but it never happened. So I decided to transcend Alpha and Sigma, and became an Iron male.
The elusive Fe male.
Don't worry about it. Let's raise ladies up
LOL! The true Iron Man. xD
Niobium (Nb) male here!
aptly: "Pure niobium has a Mohs hardness rating similar to pure titanium, and it has similar ductility to iron."
😂😂😂
this is the most unique comment i ever found in youtube comments.
Loved the contradictory Andrew Tate montage but also sucks you had to sit through that much footage to make it.
It makes my skin crawl knowing that blatantly irredeemable scumbag villains of the 80s to 2000s+ are now seen as icons of virtue.
Yeah, I guess art doesn't work as much as we would hope when it requires nuance
Beta 😂😂😂😂
@@MrMabawsaritchie Look! It's someone who thinks anyone outside their tiny cult takes that word seriously😂🤣
@@MrMabawsaritchie, It's funny to always hear that in Jesse Lee Petersons voice, ROTFL every time.
@@SlickSimulacrum Yes, that's what I was hearing when typing it too 😂🤣😂
Always makes me laugh how these 'alphas' spend a weird amount of time obsessed and getting emotional with how other men choose to live their lives. Using their own metrics it seems like such 'beta' behaviour.
Beta means basically a feminine men or a man unable to stand for himself. Is a stupid term? Yeah, just like Male Gaze or Hegemonic Masculinity are stupidly dumb.
If you can shit on masculinity and call normal behaviors like hitting on girls toxic, we can shit on those dudes as well
so true 😂
@@kant.68you poor thing😢
What's it like being a perpetual victim of the ladies? That's not very alpha, you know...
exactly lol
@@ShirleyTimple
Victim? You literally think cat calling is sexual harassment , wtf are you talking about?!🤣🤣
is funny, I am changed with rape if a girl regrets having sex with me , but I am the one playing the victim??
You think showing your boobs is a “right” , you literally believe killing your own children is a right or showing hot women in an add is “perpetuating harmful stereotypes!!” , yall cry and talking about “muh feelings” and “muh opression” 24/7 365. The only victims here have a clear gender, and is not men
Fight club ABSOLUTELY provides a solution. Everyone forgets the ending; the narrator understands that deep down he is both tyler and the guy who wants to plan for a healthy, good and kind future.
Only Christ is the true and final solution
@@LorenzoMasterConnector yeah, the merging with your shadow self. I feel like fincher really thought people wouldn't ignore the ending. It's brillant. We even see the main character mature enough to try to be polite to marla...with a hole in his face.
I am curious what you think the solutions Tyler offers are?
Also, considering the ending, how you got the impression that both Tyler and Jack, or whatever Ed Norton's character is named, worked things out and lived happily ever after in harmony together?
Also want to point out that people like Peterson say things that have the appeal of wisdom but are often not well thought out or rather seem mundane upon scrutiny.
"You have to become a monster...."
An old lady with an AR can become a monster if she starts mowing people down at the grocery store...there is nothing particularly difficult in that except the part where you stop caring about yourself or others. But just bc our nice old granny could do that, but doesn't, that is not what will make her virtuous and she would absolutely still be open to valid criticism even insisted that she is controling the monster within her by not doing that.
"...and then learn how to control it"
Yeah Peterson, that is what most of us do already, we all know we could be monsters, but we don't act on that most of the time, bc it is not very productive to our long-term goals even if it would be immediately gratifying and emotionally satisfying in the moment.
That is a daily struggle for most people to varying degrees and there is nothing special or particularly insightful about that.
@@LorenzoMasterConnector Christ also had an apocalyptic world view and one girl that hung around a bunch of dudes.
@@memegazer Tyler isn't a solution, he's a step towards it. This is the classic story of the shadow self.
Even if everything falls to hell the narrator has himself and that's all someone can ever have.
In fight club repression literally lead the narrator to go crazy and he was going to get crazier, what got him to start getting out of that hole was to acknowledge himself as the person who wanted all these horrible things and fix it from there.
You may find it easy to identify solutions to your struggle but this movie resonanted with so many people for a reason.
BTW Peterson a bitter asshole who works for an evil asshole representing the worst of corporate interests but calling his early lectures mundane is just dumb. It's a take that is repeated like it's unique but the way those lectures spread and resonanted clearly had something insightful and that there was nothing of value inside those statements is to ignore what we are talking about now.
Peterson is acknowledgement of male anxieties mixed in with religon, Fight Club is the acknowledgement of male anxieties mixed in with homoeroticism. I know what my favorite is.
I watch the movie American psycho because the main character reminded me of my biological father. And I wanted to explore how A person of his same mentality would act in this film. I didn't like the character just like I didn't like my biological father And unlike some people I know Patrick Bateman is a bad guy and you shouldn't be like them.
Murican
All I know is Ana Isabel is the ALPHA of commentary channels!
(PS: I had a huge smile on my face during your Patrick Bateman section. Your read on his moral values rant was a perfect companion to what I said in my Patrick Bateman video, that it sounded like he was reading this virtues out of a popular magazine.)
@CZsWorld Completely agreed. But, I enjoy your vids too.
You are the chad of horror history and thanks to my work days less mundane.
Simp located
Thanks for commenting. TH-cam hadn't recommended your channel to me in a while. Gotta go catch up on those videos! 😅
how tf is he a simp hes compliementing her work you absolute door knob @@John__-ie3od
The strong male role models in my life? Besides my Dad, there's these; Mr Rogers, Steve Irwin, Bob Ross, Aragorn, LeVar Burton, and even Jesus Christ of all people.
Even if you arent religious Jesus was a 5'5 120 pound man who brought a whip to the temple of gentiles to stop the men making profit off his fathers name. Men like the ones in this video.
Aragorn is not any good. Hector from Troy is much better
@@xerxes8275they're both great, no need to put one of them down
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@@kecym.4808 Gomez underrated fr. Peak family man
Im just saying that my male heroes treat everyone with respect while being a badass: the doctor,kenshin himura & Aragorn to name a few. Where as all these real deal alpha dogs rely on emotional manipulation and blaming other factors rather than building something better through work & willpower and embracing new ideas while using common sense. Just what ive noticed. Great video miss. As always very insightful im listening to this at 1 am on christmas eve in bed sick with a cold. So i thank you and wish you a merry christmas :)
So movies and fantasy and anime, got it bro. Kenshin is an anime, there is no reward in that in the real world. Sorry to burst this bubble but being nice and kind doesn't actually get you laid in most cases. Also, the doctor is once again, made up as is Aragorn. Using movies is nice, but where is the real world action from it? Men problem solve for sex. We want to have sex. How do we get women to have sex with us in the real world? Being dominant and showing assertiveness. No, I'm not saying treat everyone like an asshole. I am, however, saying that that literally has been proven to get you laid more than being nice ever has. Why? Because being an asshole means you're looking out for yourself, standing up for yourself, etc. Women might SAY one thing, but their actions dictate the entire opposite. Their pussy does not get wet simply because you were a kind gentleman to her. That is an unfortunate truth in reality. Also, how you look in terms of physical attractiveness plays a key role in everything first and foremost. You can have 2 dudes: 1 looks like the average man and the other looks ripped af. She either wouldn't notice what the first one says or no matter what he says she's already assigned him "guilty" as we see in so many videos between youtube, tiktok, reality at the actual gyms themselves, etc. The 2nd dude, the ripped af guy, he could say the most hateful shit to her, period, and at least 75 to 100% of the time she actually would not care. Again, reality proves entirely different from what women say and what they do.
Women are attracted to power and dominance. This has been proven time and time again throughout all of human history and unless they get robot brains, they're never going to turn that part of their brain off. That's a million years of evolution programmed into it and biology, it just simply isn't going to ever turn off.
now that is a man i can truly respect.
@debrawehrly6900 The doctor is pretty great. Who's Your favorite incarnation?
A real life example: Fred Rogers. One of the most successful people in Ameircan history and he did not by shouting at people. Not by throwing his weight around. Not by making himself the center of attention. He did it by elevating everyone else.
@donalny I do like him for sure. Nit he biggest fan of the show or that weird spinoff. But him as a person was a legend. So how's your new year so far?
I LOVE how those people say they don't sleep and are more "manly" while literally all medical data shows that if you sleep 5h or less your testosterone levels drop 15% when normal rate is around 2% per year
1:15:32 This video confirms that someone needs to make a Venn diagram between manosphere men and fangirls. I mean, when I hear about alphas and betas I'm never sure if I'm hearing about the manosphere or the omegaverse. The admiration of psychos is nearly as popular in Tumblr as it is on the manosphere. The only difference is that most fangirls can actually differentiate between fiction and reality 😂
i fear thats off the reservation of acceptable thoughts for certain people.
When someone makes Piers Morgan look like a decent human being, maybe they’re a terrible person
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That's what I was thinking watching that clip
The internet and it's consequences have been disastrous for humanity
Porn, games, social posting websites, misinformation. Yes it is.
@@GhostRider-uk3xvMinus the games and porn and yes I’d agree with you.
@@mcgaming6387don't make excuses for your particular vice. It's all negative
@@nicalb6929 I will though. Because in this world, I’d like to have my video games and my porn. We can improve things without wrecking everyone’s good time ya know.
Has it though? Or have these evils always existed... and now the internet is making it a lot easier to expose the predators who walk amongst us. People like Tate have always existed....
When Andrew Tate talks lately, you can really see
1) the cumulative effect of every punch to the head he's ever taken;
2) how self-assured you can be if you only surround yourself with yes-men who clap at your every sentence
Agreed
He would have no audience if hating young men was not socially acceptable.
@@thepagecollectiveAs a young man, I never felt hated by anyone before.
On the other hand, I've seen (and also participated in the lower rungs of) how much people love to shit on young women and teen girls
@@berserkerciaran The people who shit one women and teen girls are mostly other women and teen girls, and if you never felt hated on by anyone, you were very sheltered.
@@thepagecollective thats not socially acceptable unless they do smth socially immoral
If you have to pay for advice, the provider is not your friend.
This was a really good video! I admire your presentation of your research, and your ability to present an engaging essay without relying heavily on drama tactics. It feels like a genuine, investigative piece on the origin of all these behaviours and how they came about.
Fantastic work!
For those that haven't seen it, I highly recommend Maggie Mae Fish's video essay on Fight Club. It's stunning.
Fight Club is still low key trash tho.
Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man.@@NoMoreSuperHero
Usename checkout. 🤣
As a man, with a factoryjob, a beautiful wife that has her own career and I'm proud of her, who loves cooking, shares the housework and loves the sexual pleasure of woman(which makes me beta i guess?), these guys absolutely disgust me🤮
None of what you said makes you a beta. You clearly haven’t listened to RP content.
You're not a beta, and I'm happy for you. It's just that such things don't last. Good luck in court when you get there.
@@butter_lordoh no, a guy who has a job, shares in the responsibilities of the home, and gives you orgasms? Yeah, women never want that 🙄
Everything you say is what majority of RP guys want as well bro.
Yeah, they have nothing to contribute except projecting their own weird insecurities on everyone else. The Greek alphabet doesn't account for the multifaceted nature of human experience and expression.
In this post Hbomberguy's plagiarism world, where everyone is scrambling to learn how to cite their sources, you must be pretty satisfied with having always had a good practice with citing your sources
"Men control their emotions!" So...why are you always yelling and screaming and acting angry? Anger is an emotion. Control that shit, Tate.
Talking loudly doesn't always mean that you are angry. Some just want to be convincing. A lot of great leaders and politics did the same.
@@GhostRider-uk3xv if you want to cherry pick sure. But then I can just say most loud people are just trying to talk over others because they dislike being without the spotlight.
It's an act
I'm convinced that these dudes think anger only qualifies as an emotion when it comes from a woman.
Wow, showing some clips out of context and claiming they contradict each other. Is that your best "argument"?
There are so many strawman arguments in there, you havent tried to listen and understand them one bit.
I'm 40 minutes in, and this video is boring as hell. You keep showing snippets of these people with a kind of "OMG GUYS CAN YOU BELIEVE THEY SAID THIS?!" without ever refuting their claims. One thing your side absolutely CANNOT do is guide young men. In fact, I don't think you believe "men" as a category of living being, exist at all. You have 0 clue as to what they want or aspire to.
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Me? I'm chilling. Just finished the video and I was right on the money when I said people like her can't possibly lead boys into fulfilling lives. The entire video screamed NAXALT@@esbenm6544
They can't refute facts 🤷🏾♂️
What’s wild to me is how none of these men decide to actually listen to what women want yet claim to know better
Also if they were half as ‘Alpha’ as they say they’d not need to keep showing off as it’d be obvious
@kyleistrying, the ugly truth is this: If the men portrayed in the video are ALREADY getting the attention they want from women, then why should they listen to anything women have to say? If women stopped giving sex to “bad boys”, there’d be like a 90% decrease in “bad boys” within one year.
They do listen lmao, that’s why they bring those women to the podcast and send the message straight from the horse’s mouth. Not my problem if leftwing propaganda prevents you from listening to women
@@harsh3948 I can find men that claim all of you redd pills are secretly gay and bring them to a podcast. Straight from the horse's mouth, as you say
@@harsh3948except they always bring the bottom of the barrel women who just chase clout, no random women off of the street. The women they bring in usually have some social media following and or an only fans account. They have to reach out to those women to bring them on.
@@harsh3948 If the podcast you watch actually listens to women then what would make you think I’m talking about them? Also who said anything about left wing anything?
Pretty defensive aren’t you, shadow boxing criticisms I haven’t made lol
Let's not forget; all the 'science' alpha BS takes place in animals in captivity. This is why, at least w/r/t the wolf study, the author retracted the paper.
Yes! I didn't get to touch upon it in the video, but "alpha wolves" in the wild gain their position simply because they're the parents of their pups, which then formed to be their pack (contrary to the notion that they gain "alpha" status from dominating another male).
Weren't the alpha wolves in the study females?
@@issecret1 I'd love to see what these people would think of a hyena's pack structure. And even in lions, while the male "dominates," he's not "king" for more than a few years, and if the females get sick of his sh!t, they'll gang up on him and either run him off or delete his ass. Goes to show that they cherry pick what animal's social structure they want apply to themselves.
@@issecret1 IIRC they were a male and a female. You know, the parents to the rest of the pack
The truth is a real man is himself, thats what takes confidence. Whatever or whoever you are isnt important, it just matters that you accept it
true, however some people are pathetic... hence why the seek change, they cant bear to look at themselves.
Perhaps, and I know I'm shooting in the dark here, but perhaps misogyny wouldn't have become so popular if it wasn't for all of the misandry in America.
@@JackBond-md4df something had to counteract, you can fight fire with fire or fight it with water. Something HAD to change and quick, so yes, it ended up being a fire with fire situation. Only way more subtle, kind ways to fix things work is if it hadn’t already gone to absolute oblivion.
“Men lead, women follow” Ok, but I like following, it’s fun! Honestly, I really like this quote because it’s states the quiet part of gendered dating dynamics out loud. It’s especially telling how these alpha male types value sexual dominance so highly to a point of comedy. It’s frankly very annoying and distressing at this point when I hear this dynamic of men lead, women follow as the only dynamic that can exist between men and women when I know for fact that it isn’t. It’s also very strange how the sigma female stuff isn’t really even trying to get women to really be the ones leading; it’s rather getting them to “lead from the follow position” which I would imagine leads to really bad and unfortunate situations. I will also say, as someone who likes a more “alpha” partner, being a leader who can “sweep someone off their feet” is good and sexy even. Being a domineering and terrible person is not. I want a partner who can lead me by captivating me with security and trust and confidence, not someone who fear and manipulation to control. If you want a more “beta” partner, talk with people, know thy self, gain some self-security, and talk to people, and when you see someone that you are interested in, be confident, treat them with respect, and hopefully you are able to entice them with your sense of self-security and confidence.
Thank you for making this video! It's a topic I am very passionate about.
My first contact with the manosphere was through the lens of incels in early 2019. A member of a mental health support discord server I was a part of said they were feeling depressed and called themselves an incel. This led me down a deepdive into the subject and I ended up joining a server set up by incredible people who tried helping people move away from the incel label and get out of the trap of the manosphere through empathy, reflection and companionship. The last part of the video where you talk about things we (you, I or anyone) could do is extremely overlooked in conversations about the topic. It is easy to point at the popular figures and laugh at their ridiculous ideas or how they constantly contradict themselves but one thing we should not ignore is that there's a reason so many young men are drawn to these characters. They seem to offer understanding and support which is something that has never been in more demand than now in our supercapitalist and individualist culture. Unfortunately the supply for these things is abysmal and so most young people, but especially men, are left stranded with their own insecurities and struggles. Which is where the seemingly successfull, confident, built people swoop in and honeytrap them with false promises of success. The lesson I learned through practice on that discord server is that the only actual "antidote" to this kind of sitatuion is actually listening and talking to the people involved.
The findings of Reeves align with my personal experience on the subject of incels (which isn't a part of the manosphere but almost every incel is inside the manosphere from my experience). When there was a survey on the server about 70% (Sample size of roughly 120 and it's been a few years so by no means is this conclusive evidence) incels were people of colour and around 30% were either properly diagnosed with a form of autism or adhd or suspected that they were on the spectrum. These factors can amplify the dread, confusion and fear many people experience when becoming an adult due to their personal experiences being dominated by these factors. Sisyphus 55 called it "The trauma of becoming an adult" in one of their videos and that stuck to me.
I'm a firm believer that talking to people solves a lot of issues. Friends, strangers on the internet or, even better, trained professionals. I'm only a stranger on the internet but I have seen multiple people escape their dreadful mindset and become more at ease with themselves and the world thanks to other people listening to and talking with them.
We as individuals can't do any of the (in my opinion necessary) systemic changes ourselves but what we can do is be more like a silverback: Proactively compassionate, deescalating and most importantly be there. Don't let other people be lonely if you have the energy necessary for it.
I don't know where exactly I am going with this, I'm afraid I got a bit rambly but your video struck a cord unlike many others on the subject.
Thank you again for taking the time to put this into such a well crafted video.
If any of you who actually read through all of this above feel lonely, just want to chat or something like that, feel free to shoot me a friend request on discord: Name is "looskiss". Don't worry, I'm not selling anything ;) I'm just a dude who is struggling like you.
I really enjoyed reading about your experiences and thoughts as someone else who went partway down the incel pipeline before getting pulled out by friends. It didn't feel rambling at all, so thanks for sharing!
Maybe, reading neville goddard's books or reddit sub will help.
I know I just started the movie, but the guy saying that real men would “force their girlfriend to watch Openheimer”.
Why would you need to force them, can’t women go to watch a movie with their SO just to be nice, and why can’t men do the same?
The absolute mental weakness and insecurity portrayed there is honestly really sad.
Apparently not; in today's world decency is somehow disgusting now.
I'm a guy and I went to see Barbie alone, nobody "forced" me, it just looked good, and I've seen it like 4 more times since then cause I enjoyed it so much. If doing something I enjoy makes me "not a real man", then why exactly should I care? They don't have an answer for that. You're just supposed to do what they say in order to be a man, cause if you aren't a man, you're basically a woman, and women aren't men, so do what they say! It's circular logic.
😂😂😂😂
You just don't get it. Concessions to women means you're on a timer, and become a WOMAN, it is death by a thousand cuts (small concessions, all the time, until there is nothing left of who you were when she actually liked you)... you say it so sure, but understand nothing.
@@ggrthemostgodless8713 But WHY would this need to happen? Why do you think women in general, not even mentioning how everyone is different, would need to do this? Where does this insecurity and made-up boogeymen come from?
@@MCKejml
It is bc of STATISTICS man, statistics... you simply cannot treat any issue or situations one vy one, we say the IQ of most people is such, or that most men this or that, and we also say that MOST marriages end in divorce, so fro the start, ANY man who gets into that is betting on losing, even if he HOPES he will win. Just like there are things MOST men are supposed to do, woman also have a SHORTER list of things, but since WOMEN file 80% or more of the divorces, it is clear woman become more and more dissatisfied with the man soon after marriage or long term relationship, thus they start "testing" men with small things or concessions... but in general if she doesnt want to do the things you do, I am all for it IF SHE TEHN LEAVES YOU ALONE, but normally they NEED the man to be involved in teh things THEY like, or it is teh man that women expect to make things happen, like pay for all things she wants to do, this is a main reason they invite him, I guess. But man has many things they like and can do by themselves.
I have lived alone and with woman before, when I lived alone my bank account grows somehow, when I live with a woman EVEN IF SHE PAYS HALF OF ALL THE BILLS my bank account gets smaller, this is not sometimes this is every time. Why would that be?? well each time we go out or order in or travel, I am paying most of it, and even discussing it is out of bounds, the tears and attitudes and silent treatment etc... I have gotten a lot better at this as I age, but still if a woman lives in the same place bank account gets smaller.
Which brings me back to the original comment and your answer, why would women BENEFIT from watching THAT particular movie?? is you cannot guess or know then we have nothing much in common. She would see that a man becomes obsessed and is.... {fill in the blanks}
Nice try, reject modernity embrace masculinity.
Go to therapy.
ahh yes the ultramasculine act of complaining in a YT comment section that a woman wants basic human respect
Interesting how you frame female promiscuity as “progress” and men who aren’t on board with that notion just need to man up and accept these new ideals
So accepting female sexuality is bad?
@@roxassora2706 what am I accepting exactly? A possible STD? Emotional damage? There's good reason to not want a promiscuous long term partner regardless if you're a man or woman. Sleeping around isn't exclusive to female sexuality
@@ShlomoShekelberg-kh2ig Spoken like a lonely dog owner with no wife and kids.
Great to see a well rounded video on the topic that didn't just solidify what these guys believe by dismissing men and their concerns. Great work.
Great. Another woman talking about something she will *never* be able to empathise with.
ROTFL ... this video proves mainly one thing: you clearly dont understand the ppl you triing to criticize ...
I haven't watched the whole video, just on the second chapter. But I will say this, we will never be rid of this strain of cultural discourse so long as common ground between men and women isn't established. Their a symptom of a general social dislocation that leaves either gender alienated from each other.
You're focusing on character studies but you're not addressing the core issues: rise of lonely men, the state of dating, the implosion of the nuclear family and relationships in general. Your points would be more valid if the social statement wasn't so grim in the western world. And the manosphere didn't do that. Just my 2 cents.
The manosphere is reactionary. It's become a counter grift to the reactionary grift of the manosphere content. Modern day women, and people in general for that matter, don't think past a two year cycle for the most part. The implosion of the nuclear family is the foremost issue in the overarching issue of relationships. How can there be honest growth in society when growing organically as a society has become an unattainable situation.
She did, though?
@@roxassora2706 Nope. She doesn’t have any solutions. Because her criticism boils down to “cry more and still don’t expect anything, but you’ll be seen as a good guy ☺“
"Nathan Fielder's fearlessness shines through in his comedy" holy shit I died laughing because this is sooo true but I've never thought of it like that.
I wish I had half the courage that man does 😩
The Joker is absolutely not a Sigma Male! Lol
Did you even watch the movie?
Did you even watch the video?
@@Hawkatana Yes. The whole thing. Why?
@@seanmachlan3282 Then you'd know why what you just said was just stupid.
@@Hawkatana Too bad you won't explain it, because then when I point out where you're wrong you could look like an idiot.
But this way's better.
Tried to come up with a male figure I aspire to be like... "I don't want to be just one thing, I can't be. I want to be brave, and I want to be selfless, intelligent, and honest, and kind." Tobias Eaton aka 'Four' in the movie "Divergent." While navigating the corrupt system, he has his own way of doing things. A realist. A closet idealist. Strong in mind and spirit. Humble. Actions speak louder than words. Handsome and ripped is obviously a nice bonus. In real life, Shailene Woodley said she liked working with a 'dominant force.' Theo James looked at her sort of puzzled with a subtle, "Hmm." Because his character simply WAS that way subconsciously by being a person of integrity -- not overtly or in a way that was over the top.
There is one guy who doesn't get enough love on his channel and it makes me sad. I forget his name of course. But his videos are all about him rasingng his boys in his happy on paper marriage and his videos are about being compassionate while handling business for his family to be a good example for his boys. Sad his channel fades into darkness
Shakespeare called it "authority," a strength of will and character that makes people want to follow you. You can fake it well enough to sucker desperate people or coerce followers through money or violence, but as the guy on fresh n fit demonstrated the whole thing falls apart if someone pushes back.
Another amazing video! Definitely was surrounded by the whole "alpha male grind" mindset in high school to the point I subconsciously started code-switching in order to fit in with the "chads" in both school and the eventual work place (been doing it less but still annoyed myself and a lot of guys felt we had to). I also think short form content also skews so many perspectives of characters like Tyler Durden or Patrick Bateman to the point their flaws and complexities are completely missed when you get such a surface level 60 second sampler of them. Kudos on another banger video Ana! ✨🖤 🙏
Yes! It's always so ironic to see those shorts boil Durden/Bateman/(insert another questionable character here) into superficial grindset dudebros. Like their movies were entirely dedicated to breaking down that fantasy 😅
Glad you enjoyed the video! :)
At first, your video seemed like a genuine enough take, however quickly realized that you are not arguing in good faith, nor using the full context of many situations. As well as not giving any focus to the actual point/argument that’s being made.
More so focusing on “character assassination” and why their options shouldn’t matter/are contradictive rather than the heart of the argument.
You spend most the time covering the “false idols” with a series of constricting clips seemly displaying their hypocrisy. However, this is utterly a weak argument and in most cases you are leaving out important context, while also completely ignoring the fact that they may be making a valid point.
At the risk of coming off as condescending I’ll just say that “character assassin” is a lazy “one size fits all” tactic of argument that essentially aims to discredit the source of the information there by implying that none of their opinions have value. No one is gona take you seriously if your not debating the actual substance. Anything else is a circle jerk echo chamber pointless bullshit.
There are several instances were you do this without even giving consideration tone/ point and if you do it’s in an incredibly bias way.
Some examples:
> Andrew Tate promoting the value of work over happiness. There is the basic “workaholic” argument to be made, but really irrelevant to his point. Which is basically the chicken and the egg argument. Do you think anyone can expect to be happy without some hard work involved? Does happiness create hard work? That doesn’t even make sense. If working makes Andrew happy then he is happy. Who are you to say otherwise? The work will lead to more freedom. You even say “I don’t know” like your not letting yourself come to the logical conclusion.
> Myron having lack of emotional control and getting angry with women. I think if you add context to the situation you may even have some sympathy for Myron. Their podcasts are in Miami, and therefore a certain type of women which are 90% in the entertainment industry (stripper,model,OF creator) . Combined with the fact that he’s leading and responsible for the quality of the podcast.
While he may be quick to react, it’s often as a proactive measure to establish boundaries so other women don’t degrade the quality of the podcast as well and behave similarly . I think in most cases where a woman got kicked off she was lowering the quality of the podcast and would have continued to do so if not removed. Pearl Davis often compliments Myron’s ability to manage a podcast of this type often saying “I don’t know how he does it”.
> Pearl Davis blaming relationship issues and divorce on women being selfish. Consider the following factors: no fault divorce, feminism promoting “strong independent woman”, death of religion, individualistic society rather than family oriented, women’s ability to more easily find a new partner, and social media to compound that access and perceived options. And what do you get when you combine it all?
You get over 50% divorce rates while 80% of them are initiated by women.
Now this is the part where your probably going to give them the benefit of the doubt and assume she had a good reason. But I’m sure the alimony/child support payments never effect her decision. Money definitely doesn’t incentive people to do things right?
> Your spinning of the traditional argument. As if they are stuck in the past and not embracing progress or “ challenging norms”. And yet we have 40 year old women freezing their eggs or losing the opportunity to ever have a family because they prioritized their career their entire life. If you extrapolate your perspective over multiple generations you get people who’s perspectives and values aren’t perpetuated into the future and therefore do not impact humanity in the long term.
This world changing “progressive” ideology you seem to be proud of will be more like a whimper in the time line of humanity and will be replaced by those who followed the more traditional path. It’s pretty simple, just look who is having children. Religious conservative people and the Amish.
> I don’t see the point on spending too much time regarding the fictional characters (Bateman, Durtan). Cause you know…. They’re fictional…. If anything these movies/characters are used as meme fuel to convey certain ideas. So it’s not surprising you see these everywhere in the “Mano sphere”. So your saying people shouldn’t worship fictional movie characters? Tell women to stop watching Barbie.
You make the criticism that men idolize these men and then talk about the true meaning behind of the movie as if your the only one capable of understanding.
Is it not possible that men can both appreciate the character and the growth/downfall of said character simultaneously?
> While I appreciate you covering the “dark fem” issue it’s not a 1 to 1 compared to the “red pill/Mano sphere”. While one is almost entirely toxic/manipulative the other has many layers of truth and wisdom that can lead to a better life for a man who is struggling as a loser for lack of a better term.
Overall while these icons may not be perfect at least men have something to look too.
Who should men look to in your opinion?
Best comment on this post! Well thought out and great points. This video offers very little value.
Also these movies are used to socially engineer the population and a big reason why everything is terribly out of balance.
@@mrscott01 thank you. I think I gave this video a fair shot but ultimately it just seems to be pandering to one side. Unfortunate….
@@forsaken_bacon tldr
You could've just skipped the video, but your emotions made you write a manifesto for other insecure dude bros. Not very alpha lol
@@ShirleyTimple I can tell you didn’t even read beyond the first few sentences of my comment. Caring more about starting an argument rather then productive dialogue.
Your right I didn’t have to watch the video. But I actually try to see both sides which requires actually doing it.
If I didn’t try to understand both sides then I’d be you. You know, lazy and live in a bubble echo chamber?
But I’m sure you got it all figured out.
When your the one immediately condemning the other side without even being open minded with a discussion, then your the problem.
And I never called myself an “alpha” lol which is just another indicator of how lazy/bad faith you are.
Pretty common through line with people in this comment section.
Hopefully you all get you head out of your ass before it’s too late and you destine yourself to a miserable life.
Is it because Myron was born into a Muslim family that’s why he feels that way about women
how come you do not mention the unprecedented virginity rate amongst males in this decade? or the ever declining birth rates in western societies? the model you deem as progressive and forward bringing is one that is beggining to peel at the seams and uncover its flaws. And issues such as declining birth rates are quite detrimintal to human survival.
Sex is not all there is to life. The birth rate might have declined, but we already have too much people on earth. If you want children go to orphanages. They need a parent more than you need a child. If you qant sex just buy prostitutes. Just because someone is virgin doesnt mean theyre not human or that they dont contribute anything to society.
Birth rates are down cause having children is expensive. Economic safety nets would solve this issue, better paid amd longer parental leave for both the mother and father for example.
Also no one is owed sex or a relarionship. You have to do some work to achive one with an actual desire to *connect* to another human being, not just cause you feel entitled to one.
Basic grooming, good or unique fashion sense and being nice to others can get you far. Pick up a hobby or something your passionaye about to strike uo conversations with others. No surprise people cant find a date when they go the blackpill route after being rejected once.
I’ve watched more than one video on this topic. It’s convenient that one of the main reason why men seek out that content isn’t explored.
In my life I’ve been lied to, Manipulated, groped, stalked and cheated on by… women. I assure I’m not the only man that’s experienced this. I know you’ll say. It’s my and every man’s fault why women do these things. It’s my internalize misogyny or sexism, or what ever. Ladies you have bad actors in your ranks. I say this not to blame but as a warning. men will continue to seek out this content until this has been addressed. The growing number of horror stories men hear about will push the divide between men and women even more.
They refuse acknowledge the clash with the conflicting ideologies and play both sides without risking back lash from their core audience, and chose to focus on the obvious loudest griftors, while demonizing anyone who has valid criticism of western progressive rhetoric. Yet always have these same videos explaining to cognitively dissonant suburbanites how these figures have gathered such a large audience. This constant need for moral superiority because of some perceived inferiority/victimhood complex is some boiling frog bs. It is surreal to watch how reactionary dissenting commentary play out.
Maybe you alphas need to shake the victimhood complex you're dragging around, because it's more than a little pathetic.
It’s convenient because her feminist agenda prevents her from criticizing women as feminist victimhood ideology prevents the oppressor (men) from giving any valid criticism to the oppressed (women)
It always feels like a couple weeks pass between your uploads but everytime i check, its multiple months lol. Not saying you should increase your workload or try to post more frequently, but just shows the impact you have on my day when you do lol.
As for the video topic. As a a man, i don't pay attention to none of these dudes. Only know the bald one cause he's accused of like 9 crimes or some shit and the internetis making it everyone's business. But uh... As for what it means to be a man, I'll just stick to what I've been doing and what my own parents taught, thanks lol.
I think it is also very productive to talk about the "traditional" masculine traits that are considered good.
Wholesome traits like
Being a caring and responsible father to your children.
Standing up for your values.
Willing to make sacrifices for those you care about and love.
Willing to protect those you care about and love.
Etc.
I think it is important to contrast the toxic aspects of traditional masculinity, like might makes right or women must always submit to men, without dismissing the more wholesome things that ever made traditional cultural attitudes about masculinity appealing in the first place.
This podcast provides no value and epitomizes why the manosphere is blowing up. You are contributing to the problem rather than seeking understanding and providing pragmatic solutions.
@@JackBond-md4df She doesn’t have any solutions. Because her criticism boils down to “cry more and still don’t expect anything, but you’ll be seen as a good guy ☺“
@@harsh3948 okay just because the manosphere offers solutions that doesn't necessarily make them good solutions. That's like putting a square peg through a round hole you can do it if you destroy the whole.
@@DarksideGmss0513 if you criticize a solution without being able to provide a better one, you’re just being either deliberately stupid or have an agenda (such as the breadtuber in this case having marxism)
@@harsh3948 because there's no "better" solutions to give. Everyone is different and has different problems so you give them a solution to fix the problem they have. The manosphere is trying to be a one size fits all solution for all of men's problems. It ultimately fails because it lacks the nuance to accomplish that task. Because not all men are the same just like not all women are the same just like men and women are different.
@@DarksideGmss0513 it doesn’t “fail”. If it did, it wouldn’t have such a dedicated following in the first place. Feminism DID fail men, hence why only a few brainwashed men actually follow it
I cannot express how validating it is to listen another woman manifest her love for Fight Club. It's also one of my favorite movies. The book is one of my favorites also. But listening to the manosphere expressing the same opinion nearly makes me think that I'm wrong 😅
(Which, of course, I'm not, because I do possess media literacy xd)
I just cannot listen to tate; he sounds psychotic when he talk, and actually i think he might be, seeing he appearrantly doesnt sleep.
Always see people making essays about the red pill. At least you you bring up some of the issue that could push these men to that ideology but ultimately you won't go full in because it also means you will have to criticize women. Most women when they say they want women when they say they want men to show emotions refer to them. They want us to not dismiss their emotions and pay attention. Most of the time women will say they want a man to show emotions but not too much. How am i suppose to know where that limit is. I saw a jubilee vid that went viral recently there was a guy there who cried the women rate him last in terms of attractiveness . Of course if i ask you if it is ok for men to cry and show emotions you will say yes but in practice it's completely different. And i had the same issue .The first time a woman i was dating cried in front of me i was not sure how to react, what to say. And it has been proven when women are faced with men having an emotional moment most of the time they will end up feeling less of them. Most women still want men to make more than them. Even though nowadays more and more women are getting higher positions making more money. You don't need to be a genius in numbers to realize how this cant work. Since men who make money for the most part don't care about women's finance. And if you're gonna say not all women. I have dated a woman who made more than me once and i will never do that again. The moment there's issues and arguments she always throws that fact in my face and tried to shame me for it. So that's why I don't accept shit or gifts from women.You say men don't need to be aggressive. Let's say you were in the street and a guy assaulted you and your boyfriend instead of jumping in to defend you, he ran or started to beg that guy to stop, tell me you will still be attracted to that guy.
True. There are women that can make compromises, but most just can't. They do want a man to look up to. Both physically (length) and in terms of merit and status. A career woman making stacks, will only look up to a man making even more stacks. Like you, I have real life examples backing it up. A crying man is indeed seen as useless, superficially at least. It's ok if your mom died and there's a tear or two.. if she's known you for like 10+ years. She on the other hand, may cry a river if there's some super vague relative that just kicked the bucket. The crazier ones do it at work too.. and it's supposed to be acceptable, because well she's a girl and don't be horrible you lout. It's just biology and it won't change any earlier than in 20 generations time.
This video is one of the better anti-manosphere video's I've seen. At least it proposes somewhat realistic solutions like bringing back male teachers. Otherwise it's just "be yourself".. Well, if you just are yourself, prepare to be alone. As a man, you have to achieve stuff. Even women treat making friends like work.. and that actually does the trick. Don't be yourself, get out there and make something out of your life! It's always been this way, and it will never change. Women having careers, just raised the bar a lot.
@@earx23 The bar for what is expected from a man nowadays is a lot higher than what previous generations . My parents just celebrated their 30year of marriage. And most my ant and uncle are in relationships that span over 30years so i know that the red pill is not conducive to a long term relationship. Long term relationship are not easy. There will be issues you could get fired, fall sick, there will be arguments and a lot of compromise, understanding and unselfishness will be needed but people nowadays are only in it for themselves. These same women criticizing the red pill will have a bunch of unrealistic expectations for men.
@@mondrayredas2004 She doesn’t have any solutions. Because her criticism boils down to “cry more and still don’t expect anything, but you’ll be seen as a good guy ☺“
The entirety of society worships false idols. Even your own possessions. Your career. Your strength. Your muscles. It's all idolatry
As an asian men grows up in Asian environments, to me masculine always have been the ability to use your power to protect the weak instead of using it for evil.
Its especially a strong mesaage from kids show like Kamen rider where the protagonist is given power to do evil but he choose the opposite.
There is just no going back to that old time, neither men or women liked it... men became workhorses for LIFE to support women and HER kids... and woman resented the control and saw no benefits in that... UNTIL now that women have been working for a few decades, now we see a FEW of them making videos complaining ""who's idea was it, who thought getting women to work was a god idea, I want a man to do that, I want to be home taking care of my kids!!"" But all that is too late, hopefully "someone" will make a video about that. (wink)
Search for who profit out of this.
It isn't men.
It isn't women.
Capitalists are richer than they ever were. How convenient. 😉
"who's idea was it, who thought getting women to work was a god idea, I want a man to do that, I want to be home taking care of my kids!!"
There are manosphere types who like to emphasize the women saying that, as if to demonstrate that women's suffrage/liberation was a mistake that women now regret. But I see it from a different perspective: Almost nobody really _wants_ to have a job. Most of us would love it if we could just stay at home doing stuff we enjoy instead of making sure we have food and shelter. Some women actually do enjoy being home with their kids and would choose that if given the opportunity (which the average household can't afford on one income). But I think the whole, "men are obligated to financially support me" thing is just a shitty way for those women to justify the fact that they don't want to work. And most of the time, it's a warning sign that they don't even want to take care of the household, but instead want to be a lazy sponge.
The Dumbo Kojak always cracked me up. He's so deep in the closet, he flew past Narnia and ended up somewhere between Se×s In The City and Brokeback Mountain😂.
Pearl isn't even married wtf is she talking about lmaoooo
Sorry, but biology is real. We both have roles to play in a natural order. You can all cope and pretend we are now in some new age where we are so different and woke now. We arent. This shit is really simple. You dont see other animals deliberately changing mating strategy. At the end of the day, when serious events take place, we all revert back to our biology.
Sure with time things will change and we can live in some woke future. In due time. Us playing this accelerated game of changing the way we mate select and the roles we take is the underlying problem in society in this new age.
I want this progressive future, where we all understand relate and respect eachother. Thats not gonna happen though if we cant truthfully relate with eachother and understand the real life biological urges and emotions that drive men and woman. Instead we seem to believe biology plays a smaller role than it does, and end up disregarding it entirley, and shunning our natural emotions because we are supposed to be living these progressive new lives. Evolution doesnt work that fast. There will absolutely be a huge push back against this new hyper progressive culture and solely because we are trying to change the natural order way to fast. Unfortunately we wont see the problems this culture has created for another 7 years when all the marriages fail and birth rates decline and depression and self deletion skyrocket.
"Insecurities scream, confidence whisper."
That speaks a lot when a guy show off his masculinity and promote it to the whole world.
"If we want to see a civilised man, just look at the manners and language."
We can see how civilised these alpha males are just by their manners and language.
Glad to see you're back, your vids are always worth a watch. I was genuinely surprised to hear people idolized Amy Dunne. When I watched Gone Girl I audibly gasped when the twist was revealed and was seething at what her character acted after that. I think "False Idols" perfectly describes how some people engage with these characters.
Thank you for taking the time to make this video (finally got around to watching it). So well researched and put together. Growing up with autism and ADHD, I found myself being very lonely in my life despite having a good career and many friends so I can totally identify where people feel this vacuum is coming from (fortunately I'm in a very loving relationship now with someone I adore).
I feel this unspoken group of men need more positive people to help them understand why they are lonely and what to do about it as well as role models, because currently the message is that if you're a white / cis / straight guy, you're inherently bad... and as you very well point out, that's simply not the case. So I always appreciate videos like this that help people understand so much why people turn to such craziness in the first place.
This was a valiant effort, but ultimately your bias is extremely evident.
You clearly lean toward progressive ideals and feminist ideology which makes most of your perspective as flawed as the manosphere.
Just as some men cannot be manly in the traditional sense,
MOST men cannot be manly in a progressive sense.
Videos like this act as if the "manosphere" should not exist and that no one should ever buy anything that it makes to improve themselves, but in reality most of these creators could never understand the lack many men feel and how important the work is because most of them, like yourself, are not men.
She doesn’t have any solutions. Because her criticism boils down to “cry more and still don’t expect anything, but you’ll be seen as a good guy ☺“
Gotta remember: these guys are awkward, overlooked if not made fun of, and get mixed messages (men need to be emotional but we will laugh at them for crying). Anything that comes in, throws a wrench in the system and promises "fixes", of course they're gonna listen and gather together to make an audience.
Simply calling them toxic doesn't help. You have to see WHY these channels are influential. You need to evaluate genuine flaws the left has had in their treatment of men societally. You need to acknowledge a truth that isn't allowed to be acknowledged: testosterone IS healthy for men and men need it. Testosterone does not equal toxic personality traits. Having testosterone doesn't mean you need some cringe identifier like "alpha male", and it doesn't mean you need to prove you're tough. There are healthy creators in the men's health field, ones who tell you NOT to pick fights, tell you how to reach healthy bodies, and would laugh at the Tates and Rollos. But, since these calm and objective creators can't be sensationalized like the ones you've shown here, they aren't seen or shared.
I consider being called a beta by these types of men a badge of honor
than why dont the modern women step up an act right like a woman should be (nurturing) be( caring )be kind be (thoughtful).Don't ask a man to quit his job. dont search for better, This also goes for men as well .Do better''. women' maybe will come back why dont you answer the shy mans text or contribute to the conversation don't call a guy with long hair or disability creepy dont call the guy who wants your attention creepy, Maybe will want to come back to society but society a,nt don't date or dont sleep with the bad boys than complaint about it. Give us a chance to grow stop complaining to your gfs your man doesnt do enough you guys need to b a partnership and if he works a 8am to 3pm job monday to the weekend give him space . plan together. enjoy what you have dont look for the bad boy Maybe will want to come back to society once Western women smarten up,
Why are women telling men who to listen to?
Control. They don’t actually care about these men, just how their views impact women and their dating and marriage options.
Why are men* telling men who to listen to?
@@roxassora2706 to make more money. At least one is an honest service which is much more likely to be subject to scrutiny
sometimes you need a little help, or a different point of view on a problem you're having. Take in everything and ponder upon it; don't disregard an opinion just on the basis on what, or who someone is
Can't believe they made a whole new omegaverse for straight men wtf
I refuse to hear this in any other terms. And I imagine Sigmas as sassy Omegas. So every time one of these pills claims to be an Alpha male, I just imagine them looking for breedable omega males. It's even funnier when they say they're sigmas
What is omegaverse?
these guys strikes me as the people who wouldn't get "The Fisher King"
Every town in America should open a gay bar and call it the manosphere
A different perspective on the plight of men, in a way. So in short, to better help men is to basically come from the standpoint that men in their natural states, or men that behave traditionally ''manly'' or masculine is wrong and unhealthy, and men should ''be more vulnerable and emote more akin to women? That in itself is a fallacious. Men have innate traits just as women do, pushing to change them would have no benefit. Interesting take, but it seemed of contemptuous nature and cherry picked for the sake of ridicule solely, totally ignoring the reason why the ''manbox'' would exist. Get that $$$ though.
It doesn't matter if it's cherrypicked or not. If whatever gets cherrypicked exists, then it's a part of the narrative and can be criticized.
@@MCKejml I'd argue in this instance cherry-picking these quick segments w/o context of the full conversations or topics involved, leans towards a bad faith approach/manipulative/smear tactics; a false narrative.The same tactic these legacy news/main stream media outlets use.
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Off topic but one of my all time Tom Shelby quotes is a line he says to Grace in Season 2.
"We're all whores. We all sell parts of ourselves."
Tom Shelby has a lot of memorable lines from the show tbh (and that one's one of my favs!), so I don't get why these sigma accounts have to resort to Tumblr-esque cringe
This is a really good video! But I see the same weakness here that I see in almost every criticism of the manosphere. I'm not a prescriber of such things, I think it's dumb. However, in almost every criticism I've seen, people spend very little time actually talking about the most important thing, how these guys get all these followers. Even in this video, only a few minutes of the runtime is dedicated to the fact that a big reason why this movement continues to persist is that most of society ignores the plight and hardship of young men. Of course a lost young man is going to follow someone who seems to talk directly to them, understand what they're going through, and give them a prescription to make their lives better. I really love to see a deep dive into that. It would be the first step in actually counteracting these alpha male ideas.
But the left is simply incapable of doing that, because it thrives off of a social victimhood hierarchy with straight men at the bottom who have zero chance of upward mobility
32:30 - 32:44 what do you mean specifically? Are you talking about double standards that women face i.e wage gaps etc? or the criticism of the double standards of women compared to men i.e women sexual assault cases are taken seriously, then men. Its not really clear what you mean without bring examples to clarify your statement.
I have a problem with following statement, You say “continuously empower them to reach for the same independence and success as men back in the day” which you also say is “good” and “progressive”. Isn’t that a bit backwards considering that today we condemn the men of the past but yet we want women to be like the men of the past?? What you are suggesting isn’t progressive, it’s the pendulum swing of gender roles which ironically what feminists today champion as “equality” (well the more vocal ones)
It’s not all wrong, but a lot of it is extremely wrong. I just feel bad for these people who will never have a meaningful relationship with a woman.
It’s not ok for a man to get up when the baby is crying? Damn bro. That’s a bit much.
Man, for dudes who wanna be free, these "alpha" types sure love telling other dudes what to do. Seems kinda fash
thats one helluva reach holy smokes.
@@davidangelo4018 Explain your work. :)
I hope your mental health is alright after going through so many manosphere videos. I would rather get water-boarded than watch a single manosphere video.
Hope is not a plan
Ngl, the brain rot during the editing/research process was insane. Glad I can just mentally purge myself of this content now :'D
@@ana-isabel be gone thot
yup. it is clearly your brains is not big enough to understand those ideas
I'd offer up only 1 critique to your video (which was very great), there really needs to be a societal reconfiguration about what men are allowed to be. This includes women also facing what kinds of things they are attracted to in men as well as men confronting the constructions of patriarchal masculinity. One of the reasons why men feel the need to be hypermasculine is because women, being more financially and socially successful than ever before has created this pressure on men who still being held to protector/provider patriarchal standards feel that they must compete and succeed on a much higher level. Things such as willingness to financially and socially "date down" need to become more common amongst women. We *all* need to drop these expectations of men and the only criticism of this video that I have is that it leaned a bit too heavy on the male side of things without addressing any expectations that women may have of men.
Actually one more critique haha. When explaining the "manosphere" it is important to point out the lifestyle portrayed by these content creators is made to affirm. When shown that living lavish lifestyles with money, respect and women is the prize for pursuing and achieving the ideal masculinity under patriarchy it is really hard for young men to look at that and then refuse it. Due to it being pretty true that achieving that sort of patriarchal ideal masculine will gain you more access to women and respect from society, the lie is that most men or even some men can achieve it, it is simply an affirmation of the system that ultimately oppresses men and everyone in society, that being late-stage patriarchal capitalism (capitalism as it exists under a patriarchal paradigm).
Really good video! Hope these critiques aren't taken in bad faith, they are ultimately just things i personally would have wanted to hear more from the video. Have a good one and good luck!
Well put, and I had similar thoughts after watching the videos; something I noticed with the online discourse that tries to deconstruct the "Manosphere" is that they always come up short in understanding the lived experiences of the men most vulnerable to these narratives and men at large, while ironically infantilizing women in their role regarding social change. Encouraging men to be more open and supportive of each other and not reinforce toxic masculinity is good. Still, I feel women's role in supporting patriarchy and being harmful in how they navigate the social world is consistently underplayed in these circles. I'm not saying it's all women's fault or responsibility to improve things. Still, the complete lack of challenging patriarchal norms, like men primarily being the pursuers, leads to impossible expectations and narratives of worth on both sides because, to some extent, worthiness is pre-defined by this dynamic. I, and I'm sure many men, will find it very difficult ever to open up because we've seen how men can be humiliated directly without push back socially or indirectly by hearing about another man's lowest point through a woman whom they made the mistake of trusting. I'm not trying to say that a man can't open up or trust anyone, but from my experience, the narrative that there are "Nice" people out there can be just as much a narrative as whatever the Manosphere presents as reality. Don't get me started on morality and carrying oneself in a way that aligns with values beyond what is good for one's self; feminism and the left have let the right and manosphere own those ideas and wholly failed in trying to encourage women to carry themselves in a 'moral' way if that makes sense. Maybe this is misogynistic, but most women I've met in my life are allergic to accountability and deeply patriarchy in how they carry themselves despite what they claim to believe.
Exploring more of how women, too, can perpetuate patriarchal ideals of men and how it contributes to the overall problem is a follow-up video worth considering. Thanks for your feedback! :) I'm glad you enjoyed the video.
@@delneus both of you make good points. Feminism and the manosphere deserve each other. Both make assertive matter of fact claims. Societal standards for women have not caught up with their feminist rhetoric. They love to break men down and act surprised when some individuals capitalize on a market that these women themselves created.
It isn't patriarchy that push this. It's matriarchy and capitalism.
It's pretty obvious.
Nothing more masculine than having to perpetually announce to the world how manly you are.
So manly they require a woman to do absolutely everything for them.
You know whats "alpha" ???? Being a decent human being , being you , and understanding your role in the world and what you want to do in it. Have focus and discipline , self improve and take care of your loved ones. If women or society doesnt like it , hell if this RP BS doesnt like it , fuck em
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Alpha just doesn't exist. It is a blank space to put whatever adjectives you want.
@@monicavelazquezrodriguez3035says who?
@@slardebard the life. I mean, alfa is etiquette given to someone in a hierarchy, but your group of friends isn't a hierarchy that matters, and hierarchys can be organised and flexible or not exist at all, and based in random qualities, so anybody can be an alpha for any motive...
Erm do better eff off with that
This was great! Very fair and compassionate
I've been saying for a few years now that Fight Club is the perfect Manosphere/Alpha Male movie. It accurately depicted the rise of what would eventually become the Manosphere. And like you said, a lot of these groups look up to Fight Club and Tyler Durden as a bible and role model. It's incredibly ironic that they have, in turn, missed the entire point of what Chuck Palahniuk and David Fincher intended with the story in general.
Fight Club is also one of my all-time favorite movies in general.
I love it when all those alpha males tell me I don't understand when I have everything they say they want while never actually doing anything they say to do.
Seems like a pretty reductive and limited take from our little miss Strawberry shortcake