Thanks for watching guys! 💜(…and sorry it’s been a while!) I’ve also been going on a bit of a romcom binge lately and would love to check out some other good ones - feel free to drop your favorites/recos below :D
I like how Robert Pattinson has gone from a pretty boy reputation with a primarily teenage girl fanbase to a reputation of great actor. Let's admit it he has primarily a teenage male fanbase because of Batman
I find it funny how a lot of those dudes were up in arms with his Batman casting prior to it coming out, but yeah - I'm glad he's gaining a ton more respect as an actor 'cause the guy deserves it! Dude has range and I actually look forward to a movie more when he's in it :D
We all know Robert Pattinson did not like the attention from the girls so the best course is to show you are more talented than that and overshadow what was previously thought about you. The Lighthouse was awesome
I always appreciate that you point out the double standards and acknowledge that men's issues usually go more or less completely ignored. We're all equal here, we should lift each other up instead of pushing others down to make ourselves look higher up in comparison. Also, a worrying trend I've seen related to the hyper focus on skincare nowadays is that a lot of young teens and even kids are destroying their skin by using an avalanche of products meant for adults. You got 8 year olds with elaborate skincare routines and that put on makeup every day, and that's just not healthy at all. You can cause permanent skin damage, allergies, eczema, and so on because the products are too intense for young skin, not to mention that kids that young shouldn't even have to think about modern beauty standards.
The patriarchy is designed to uplift men at the expense of women. Women experience misogyny. Androgyny doesn’t exist. Would you say this about other forms of oppression? Are white people also hurt from white supremacy? Do those poor able bodied people also suffer under anti-disabled culture? We don’t talk about men’s “oppression” because it doesn’t exist in the same way the patriarchy does.
Oh god YES I've seen these articles on how literal children are now buying products from Sephora, like what? This might actually be a good topic to look into for a future video.
@@kdog3334 Its the opposite patriarchy is a myth. Oh how privilidged where the men sent to certain death in world war one, not seldomly shamed by woman if they didn´t. Oh how priviliged are the men of today who are only one accusation of social death by woman like you thinking everything is justified against the gender oppressor. May you one day heal from your hatred against men and accept that both genders suffered throughout history immensley.
I always found the “they should like real men” quiet worrisome, many of those pretty boys were in their late teens to early twenties, they were just entering adulthood, not to mention their target demographic was primarily young girls, would it be appropriate for a teenage girl to be fawning over a much older man that fit that “real men” image? Not to mention the obvious homophobia towards young boys that were considered soft or weak, labeling them as gay for having different interests and forms of expression
literally, I remember being a fan of One Direction looking back now, they look like children when they debuted, but to me a child, they look like adults without looking like my parents kind of adult you know, I think its really weird if adults want children to fan over grown ass men or want teen boys to look like adults and insult them for their youthfulness, its just needless insecurity in confused teens already
@lw9515 actually bts fans are alot older than normal groups, traditional boygroups have way younger fanbases, bts seem to be more of a niche fanbase like rock
@@englishblade bts debuted in 2013 and within the kpop field they became popular much earlier than internationally so their fans are not that young. also, kpop as a whole usually tries to appear as very sanitized and innocent but if you really look into it, the whole thing is dripping with sexuality and not just because the kpop artists are mostly attractive people in revealing clothes, but the concepts, lyrics and everything is very sexualized, especially when it comes to boygroups. it's also a very wild manifestation of capitalism so it aims to cater to adults who can and will pay for concerts, merch and other stuff. i haven't seen many minors at kpop concerts.
That's me with my father. Ever since I started skin care routine, he often would tell me that it's "feminine". Even though he is ok having a gay son (as long as he isn't too feminine even though Im not), Im still gonna hide my bisexuality until the right time comes
Parents' distrust of Elvis Presley may actually have been justified, even if they didn't know the real reason. There's a great deal of anecdotal evidence that Elvis instructed his staff to pick out the prettiest girls in the audience and bring them to his dressing room, and that he specifically preferred girls age 14 to 16. It's ironic that so many racist parents of the time were afraid that going to an Elvis concert would make their daughters want to have sex with black boys, while the genuine predator they should have worried about was right there on stage.
They didn't care about predators if they were of the same racial demographic. Jerry Lee Lewis married his 13 year old cousin, everybody knew about it and he still had a career afterwards.
Such age ranges weren't particularly condemned or seen as wrong back then as it is now. Consider it wrong but I dont know if it should be seen as predation when that was viewed as a common societal norm. The big push for legal AoC being recognized as the age of majority came with Nixon and was only pushed to be taken more seriously a while after third wave feminism in the mid-nineties when studies showed more than half of teenage pregnancies came from older men. Don't mistake this for advocacy, it's just a reminder our understanding of consent has evolved beyond what people were working with back then.
Which is weird because manic pixie dream girls absolutely cheese my plums but I rarely have a problem with pretty boys (their fans tho...). Might actually make sense though. Mpdgs are explicitly aimed at me, and as such I am offended at the insinuation I would be the kinda guy to be a fan. Meanwhile with pretty boys I'm removed from the situation so I don't have that personal insult to my intelligence.
As someone who grew up on the 2000s too, it was so wild that ANY self care for guys was seen as effeminate like... we just want nice hair and skin my dude 🥲😅 Definitely happy that a lot of my social circles and communities have normalized and celebrated a more nuanced approach to masculinity these days. Another amazing video essay Ana and when it comes to my favorite pretty boy, would have to go with Mackenyu ✨🖤🤘
Ahh I know! Skin and haircare are great healthy habits (and can even make you more attractive to others) so I don't get why it it was never more popular among the dudes to begin with haha. But glad that the Asian beauty market's helping drive that change :D
@@ana-isabel I think it wasn't popular for the very simple that it was never advertised to guys. We were never told that girls would like you if you did that. Luckily for me, I don't need any elaborate routine to have great hair. Not that it ever helped me get girls, but silver linings. Maybe once I'm done losing weight I'll get some face cream I can use every now and them, but for now, washing my face with shampoo after I did my hair and beard will do.
Ya im so happy men and guys take care of themselves now, like use masks, shower, use lotion, and groom themselves. Its acceptable now for them to go for a simple mani pedi to be clean. Some nasty men tho still judge em for being "feminine" as if being clean and well kept has anything to do with gender lol At least now they arent bullied as much, I think Korean and their young pretty face had an impact in the West imo
It's too bad the sequel was... meh. the original though - I'll forever be quoting it. and that Wham! song is forever ruined for me in all the best ways
@@ana-isabel Yeah I wasn't a fan of the sequel either which is a shame as it had basically the same cast and creators. It was sadly a let-down, but the original like you say will forever be a quotable classic with hilarious scenes :-)
The Millenial searing hate for Justin Bieber was an inexplicable phenomenon, back in 2010, when most millenials were in college or were already working, we were definitely too old and matured enough to be bothered by a 16 year old pretty boy who was just doing his thing trying to make it in the music industry, but for an unknown reason we were just filled with fury whenever we heard "baby baby baby ohhh". Oh, and Friday by Rebecca Black.
Asian men in the West have been emasculated by Western media for so long, it's nice to see K-pop helping to redefine masculinity where taking care of ourselves isn't strictly a "feminine" thing any more. It'd be nice to see that kind of representation for South- and South-East Asian guys as well, but this is a step in the right direction.
Let's wait for the 3 hour video essay about #narcissism & the shallow, cringy, self-absorbed tiktok brat generation as well. That should be exciting and eye-opening (probably). 😃
Let's wait for the 3 hour video essay about #narcissism & the shallow, #cringy, #selfabsorbed tiktok brat generation as well. That should be exciting and eye-opening (probably). ☝🏻😃
Ana, another remarkably well conceived and produced video essay, and delivered very well. I appreciate how much research you do, and evidence you provide. Thankfully I am well past all the "______ boy" stages and now comfortably fit into the old guy category, so the trends you describe are not something that are a big concern to me, but you always make me aware of the real issues and concerns around your topics. The discussion of fan girls and the Beatles was interesting as I just saw a meme that read "The only reason the Beatles were successful was because women were finally allowed to be horny". The same could be said for Elvis and Frank. Thanks again for an enjoyable video Ana, it was worth the wait.
I find it interesting that there have often been exceptions to the pretty boy misogyny-by-proxy. For instance, Rolling Stones, David Bowie, and the array of hair-metal bands in the 80s that wore silk & spandex didn't seem to get eschewed in the same way by men in their heydays. I guess similar to Johnny Depp & Keanu Reeves, they found that niche where they seemed safely masculine enough.
Oooh I actually read differently about how David Bowie was received back in his heyday, at least in the US. Apparently his eccentricity was still considered controversial there, while in comparison, audiences in Europe were more open to his image. (I am going off of the anecdotal experiences people have shared online though, so take that with a grain of salt.) Not sure about Rolling Stones and the hair metal dudes though. Although from what I've seen, they do seem to be more embraced by the mainstream.
@@ana-isabelI have seen a lot of older men hate hair metal entirely because the guys looked effeminate. They say the music sucks but then go on and on about the looks and nothing else. Most guys in the 60s weren’t that far off from the stones imo so I didn’t know they were considered effeminate at all
It's unfortunate that popularisation of seemingly positive trend gathered posers, unhealthy looksmaxxers and consumerism, but at the same time yeah it makes perfect sense.
Robert and Zac had to go through the hate gauntlet in order to evolve from Teenage Heart Throb to A24 King. Timothee went the Troy Bolton route and did both at the same time.
@@Welchs-Fruit-Snacks You NPC bots say the same thing everytime. No shyt it's literally in my name, I put it for a reason to be ironic. Meanwhile your name is Welch fruit snacks and you have a pfp of BTS member, you're literally 12.
@@Youraveragedemon-n3r Isn't it ironic to call me a "NPC bot" for making fun of your name then proceed to do the same? lol Funny how you can clearly understand sarcasm yet failed to see that OP is joking. Also, Naming yourself after food and having a pfp of a >Ateez< member doesn't make you a child lmao.
“They look up to some twit instead of Magellan” lmao why would anyone look up to him, all he did was fail spectacularly on his mission by getting killed in a battle with Filipino natives that he started
How about Teddy Roosevelt? That big bullmoose of a man was apparently the SOFTEST waif you'd ever hope to meet when he was a kid. Terribly asthmatic, and could only find comfort and the ability to breathe properly when his father carried him around and softly soothed him.
Being almost 19, 6'1, skinny and muscular, I've never had a problem with girls and i always wanted to be friends to start, but I've always been thrown around by slightly older girls in middle and high school trying to make me into their popular girl + popular boy duo but I never wanted THAT kind of intimacy. They'd call me things like coward, sissy, and gay despite the fact that I'm VERY much attracted to women. This is why I always find myself running back to the shy glasses book girls who want to talk to me about life and interesting things instead of seeing me as a pretty face, abs, star athlete with a litte money to hang out from a job placeholder boyfriend they were all competing to get. All the "so-called pretty girls" would break me emotionally, take advantage of me, and make me think I was the problem or not masculine enough despite the fact that THEY were the ones who needed me and used me. They fought over who could make me fit into their lives the tightest and even made bets with outsiders as to who would make me their boyfriend by the end of the school year. That opened me up to the horrors of girls and women at a young age and how their primal instincts mixed with toxic feminine tendencies and charms to make me into their boy toy and force me to be ok with that despite the fact that I wasn't. Now it's like im afraid of getting close to others or girls being attracted to me because I'm thinking in my head the whole time "oh no, is she into me because of the fantasy of me, or does she really like me?". Too many girls I encountered the past 4 years would just use me as a way to have money to eat and their personal pleasures but never considered what I ever wanted out of life or the fact that I had feelings of my own. Don't ever get desperate fellas because way too many guys I see get too caught up in a girl's looks so much so to the point where they can't see how downright evil she is.
i can relate but i dont understand you got "used". In my own experience i was the pretty boy and girls would literally drag me. From other schools and classes. Some girls gave me gifts, try to impress me, literally got the celebrity treatment as you expected and you also experienced. And yes all the boy jelousy, trying to 1 up me, and ofcourse the mockery's form the boys and the girls everyday. But i never gotten "used, taken advantage" and to me you sound like a pussy. not gonna lie. And what popular guy thinks or even any guy thinks "what if she doesn't like me as who i am?" brother you were in highschool. Im also the same age as you but i think your capping lil bit twin
i just don't understand how you can point out an intrinsic key factors to being a 'Human' within essence, but then informally label based on a Gender that would count as Essentialism, which exemplifies both Gender Performativity & Constructivism as an absolute truth in determination of what's 'toxic' [insert] here...
I’m similar 6’1 18 thin but I have to say it’s more enjoyable to get the attention of real desire than none at all. I get a lot more leeway for joking even if it’s inappropriate around women. Being good looking gives you more opportunities to enjoy life. A lot of things that I do would get me crucified if I was ugly. Being good looking is always better than being ugly with the exception of predators but usually they will go after uglier victims because no one cares about them.
The vitriol hate a lot of the pretty boys like Bieber and Rob Pattinson experienced (and teen heartthrobs in general) is grown men being bitter they do not fit the standard of beauty and appeal that appeal to young women. Like I’m sorry a 16 year old girl or 21 year old woman isn’t gonna be attracted to 40 year old man and if you’re mad they aren’t then you’re the weirdo. Anyways I remember I didn’t understand the hype around Timothee then I finally watched one of his movies (The King) and understood immediately. My favorite pretty boys are Timothee Chalamat and Kim Taehyung from BTS.
Maybe, but most of the vitriolic hate levied at Bieber at the time wasn't coming from middle aged men who were too old to care; but other guys roughly the same age as him.
As a guy, I always scoff at the idea that men are above this kind of behavior. We are less likely to be in touch with our emotions, but that doesn't mean we aren't experiencing them. Neurologically, all decisions are made with some emotional component. Somebody who has had their hippocampus damaged (the part of the brain that regulates emotions) will have difficulty picking out what they want to eat for lunch, because there is no emotional resonance to guide them. 18:06 On the note of crazy male sports fans, the orks of Warhammer 40k were directly inspired by 80s British soccer fanatics. They have a childish view of the universe, are prone to dying doing something extremely stupid, speak in a drunken Cockney dialect of English, and are always looking for another fight. The orks are the only faction to be happy living in a galaxy that is falling apart, because it always gives them another person to fight. They are also always masculine in appearance (although canonically without sex or gender).
I also think a lot of this has to do with hating what little girls and women like as a culture. Like thinking what girls like is dumb as a society etc. my ex used to always tell me I didn’t understand or actually like music I was probably just attracted to the musician and therefore my opinion on music wasn’t valid lmao
I mean it’s kinda true tho. 99% of girls listening to BTS have actually no clue wtf they are saying, they just think they’re cute. Women’s preferences in musicians have always been predicated on looks that just how u guys are built. In elections women are more likely to vote for the more attractive candidate, there have been studies to back this.
hey there! I'm half way through and I have a couple thoughts: 1) as far as templates of masculinity that align with me go, I'm a "pretty boy" not a jock or a geek or whatever (it's all very silly, but either way) 2) I'm also a Metal musician (among other genres, but that's the home base) 3) Being a Metalhead wont get you maligned with regards to your gender, it'll get you maligned for your assumed aggression levels, or lower intelligence, or broadly just being an oaf that shouldn't be taken too seriously, if not the bully or antagonist. It's not that we don't get baseless/incredulous bad press, it's just that it's not too related to gender. 4) there are so many important women and fems in the Metal scene, that it's a shame people keep refering to it as a place that's mainly useful to serve masculinity and aggression. So much of it is about socio-political unease, mental and physical health, and the struggle for survivability - A lot of fems resonate deeply with that, if not perform it themselves outright. It's just a bummer that only the male participants get seen as "the real audience" you know anyways, This is a really solid video and you killed it, homie!
Thanks for sharing! And glad you liked the video. Yes to be clear, metalheads do still face negative stereotypes - just, as you said, more focused on aggression and rowdiness rather than jabs at their sexuality or cultural cred/taste. I can't say I listen to the genre much, but I did do a bit of study on it back in college for a music course, and its common themes of mental health and socio-politics were incredibly interesting. :)
On the "medium ugly" thing, from what you described it's definitely not what I'm looking for, but does strike on a thought I've had for a while. This penchant to push "everyone is beautiful" has a lot of flaws. Some people are just not beautiful. *I'm* not beautiful. But it also doesn't mean a person doesn't have value or that no one will ever find them attractive. Sort of like how body positivity has tried to pivot on calling someone "fat". Like, it's not wrong, some people are fat. The thing that has to change is the value judgement that goes underneath it so often.
I’m sorry to say but that will never happen. It is human nature to value things we found beautiful. Always have, always will. We can treat ugly and fat people as valuable from a humanitarian perspective but don’t think it’ll be the same when it comes to dating,sex, or marriage.
@ilikepancakes2368 You have utterly missed the entire point of my comment and should maybe try rereading it, but you're also sounding like a rude jerk so maybe you're just a jackass.
Tokio Hotel was my Pretty Boy poison of choice back in the day. Those twins!!! Seeing about 5 seconds of b-roll footage just just brought it all back. Time for round 2??
I love how the concept can also be applied to video games. For example, Resident Evil. The two male protagonists, Leon and Chris, can be put in the Macho Man v. Pretty Boy stereotype, respectively. With Chris, he is the boulder punching, shouting soldier with bulging muscles the size of his head. There are some soft moments with him, especially towards Jill and his sister Claire, but overall, he does seem to represent tbe tyoical jock. Leon, on the other hand, fits the pretty boy style to a T. With his longish blonde hair and blue eyes and clear, youthful skin. Although he does grow some stubble after RE4, he still looks more 'prettier' than Chris. The comparison is very stark in RE6, where Chris is more broad and stocky, Leon is more slender and agile, preferring to use his legs in combat, compared to Chris' punches (Using legs in hand to hand combat, can be seen as more feminine in video games as female characters are made to do this more often to sexualise their long legs). Whilst in the original RE4, Leon is snarky, rude, sarcastic, and a bit of a misogynistic jackarse (...women 😒), the remakes really leaned into the pretty lover boy aspect of Leon's character. In RE2R, he looks and sounds much younger and has a Justin Beiberesque hair style with long eyelashes and blue eyes. He is naive, trusting, and kind. And some of this carries into RE4R, where, despite gaining more muscle, he still has his clear skin, good looks, and long blonde hair. He is less rude and misogynistic and is portrayed as more caring and empathetic to Ashley and her situation. When he comforts her after her body was taken over and she accidentally hurts him, he remains calm and patient with her, responding to her awkward flirting, with gentle redirections and jokes and compliments her skills (ie. The Bulldozer part, and when she finds the key to the cage, Leon is locked in). Yet despite all this, Leon is the most popular character in the franchise. Although that can be contributed to the original RE4, it hasn't escaped my notice that since the RE2R release in 2019, Leon has gained a large female fanbase as well. That may be due to the fact that it has become more popular for women to play video games compared to when the original games were released, but Leon's characterisation in the remakes has also played a role.
It’s also good to point out that contrary to the upcoming arguments, Chris is a deeper character than Leon. Chris is a man of experience, Leon is a man of promotion. Leon is where he is because he’s done things worth bragging about, but Chris lived a life of war and horror. He’s lost more than Leon has ever suffered
@notproductiveproductions3504 I don't agree with that statement. To be honest, Resident Evil has never been a franchise that explores its characters deeply. However, that doesn't mean that Leon is a shallow written character. The difference between Chris and Leon is the way they express their traumas and emotions. Chris is more outspoken and loud. He is more prone to angry, even violent, outbursts towards his enemies. That can be why people may see him as more of a 'deeper' character as his emotions are more clearly seen and shown to the player. In fact, a lot of gamers see him as a jock character who punches boulders whilst fighting in a volcano. This could be biased, but I never really liked his character much. I always thought he was a bit boring. Hopefully, if Capcom ever remakes RE5, 6, or even Code Veronica, they expand more on his character. However, Leon is more internal when it comes to his feelings, preferring to keep them to himself or cover it up with jokes and quips. His character only got that promotional due to the success of the original Resident Evil 4. That is why he is the face of the franchise. He is very much NOT a shallow character, and the remakes do a good job of expanding his trauma and experience in Raccoon City. You can see it in his demeanour, his appearance, and his actions that his time in Raccoon City has changed him. The movies go into more detail in regard to his relationship with the US government and his alcohol abuse. Leon has had a terrible time fighting BOWs and has suffered just as much as Chris, if not more, because Chris has always had some near him to rely on. Leon is a solo operative. The government dispatches him by himself into dangerous life-threatening situations, and he has no one to rely on. Chris had Claire, Jill, Sheva, Piers, and Ethan. In Raccoon City, Leon and Claire get separated before they even reach the RPD, Marvin turns into a zombie, and Ada betrays him. Even when him and Claire reunite, she leaves him and Sherry to find her brother, and Leon is blackmailed/threatened to join USSTRATCOM.
@@XJYNCT we know the lines Chris is hesitant to cross, the lines he straight up WON’T cross, and what he stands for. How much of the same can we say about Leon?
In thinking about the "medium ugly" thing, i can't help but see echoes of the "dad bod" craze, where the push was for men who were handsome, yes, but not handsome in a way that A. seemed attainable to the average schmuck, and B. didn't involve a level of grooming that society deemed too feminine. I agree with the points you've brought up, but also it seems interesting to me that we consistently idealize a pretty carefully coiffed (if not too obviously "girly") ideal for women regardless of its attainability, while for men we keep coming back to questions about whether our standards are attainable. I haven't looked into the medium ugly fandom, but my memories of the dad bod craze were that the embrace of more average, attainable forms of beauty never extended to the girlfriends of dad bod havers. Personally, i'd like to see a day where we embrace lots of different ways to be desirable with lots of different bodies, but that's never going to fly as long as manufacturers have beauty products--and insecurities--to sell.
@@Dagotur one think i recall is that the "dad bods" that people would use for example were not what i thought of when reading "dad bod" ... these guys were always in pretty solid shape, very stout builds.. but with a little bit of chub.. they were definitely not in this "medium ugly" category
Another amazing video, and I'm glad that you brought up the unfair beauty standards that affect men just as much as women. It's wonderfully timed for Men's Mental Health Awareness Month
I don't know if it's a fair comparison to say Idris Elba doesn't get the same criticism for being "overhyped" the way less masculine male celebrities do. Sure he doesn't get the same criticism specifically for being more feminine like them, but I remember clearly how many "fans" of James Bond lost their minds and wanted to boycott the next movie if he were cast as the lead because "James Bond isn't black." Male actors of color are often only loved if they don't encroach on the spaces these fans think belong to white men exclusively.
Wrong argument there. But you're right about the backlash. As for encroaching, I'm a minority mixed race man myself. Am I a self hating man because I want us to have original roles and not have to rely on usurping or replacing traditional white IP created roles? The fact that you feel entitled enough to be lazy and claim victimhood is part of the problem. I do not want to see a black or brown Superman because it says we need the validation of taking over a white person's role instead of creating our own role from scratch. Would you be so open to a white or Asian actor playing T'Challa ( Black Panther) , Blade or Al Simmons ( Spawn)? No? If you can't operate by the same rules you demand, then you're a hypocrite.
@@Iron-Bridge This depends on the character and whether their race/ethnicity is core trait to them in their story. Case in point a character like T'challa's core trait is being black African royalty. On the flipside Ragnar Lothbroks core trait is being a white Nordic vikiking. Hence, race swapping these Characters would compromise them. However, there are other characters where this isn't really the case. James Bond is one of them. You could have a black bond and tell the exact same stories without the character being compromised. My only critique of Idris Elba is that he's too old now. But the race part is nonsensical.
My favorite pretty boy is my husband who is so insanely attractive that Hollywood would make so much money off of him if he wouldn’t be so disinterested in that kinda lifestyle
As someone who fits the pretty boy label 6’1 220lbs, faily great shape and perfect skin/ hair, these types of videos are always a fun watch :) In my personal life, I get hit on a lot, it’s actually a little crazy (grew up ugly and puberty hit me like a freight train very late) but people have the nerve to tell me I’m too attractive for my girlfriend, it’s so fucking rude
I used to be a “pretty boy” and I have A LOT of thoughts on this topic: So the “manly men” have been told their whole life and internalized the idea that any level of femininity in a man is bad because apparently it implies gayness, and of course in this mentality, gay = bad. They’re taught that the only way to be a valid and acceptable man is to be as masculine and tough as humanly possible at all times. They have a patriarchal image of the world where only the “true” men are at the top, so any implication of femininity or queerness will lower their perceived standing in the hierarchy to that of the group they’ve been compared to. And since they know how badly women and gay men are treated, they’re terrified that they’ll be subjected to exactly what they’ve been subjecting those people to. The other element is jealousy. I got a lot of attention from every gender back when I was a cute lil twink. Some cis het guy friends started pulling back more and more when they saw the attention I got from girls. Ironically, embracing my pansexuality and therefore not needing to be afraid of the perception of queerness is exactly the kind of stuff that made those girls interested in me. For example, I was literally the only guy dancing at my senior prom while all the guys slouched around the edges of the room, so every girl in my class was dancing with and grinding on me while their dates glared. Some said something to me in the bathroom and I was like “dude literally all you have to do is dance with your date. That’s all they want to do. They WANT to grind on you but you’re ignoring them. I promise if you just dance with your date and pay attention to her you WILL get laid tonight.” The few guys who listened to my advice later reached out to me to apologize and thank me because I was, in fact, right. TL;DR: toxic masculinity for the sake of getting girls is the very thing preventing guys from getting girls and they jealous of the guys who aren’t bound by that insecurity.
This comment is not really related but it’s very odd as a black guy how black guys are only afforded toxic masculine traits as an attractive trait. Even among peers you have to act in a “masculine” way all the time. Most depictions in media don’t help at all. Then you see how other people are fawning over someone that you can never be. It’s a cause for envy. It’s kind of how an attractive man being with a normal looking woman can be shocking for some. The social implications of being replaced by someone with a “hard wig” can be difficult for any woman who takes care of themselves physically for the male gaze. The feeling of being lied to by society is not a pill someone can swallow unless you have been both sides.
Took the words out of my mouth. Im still a pretty boy when i want to be ig(we all wake up ugly asf). I've lost a lot of oppurtunities in my life as an adult because i was considered the pretty boy. People get SUPER jealous if anything good happens to you and make it their mission to screw you over when in reality i didn't get this oppurtunity because im hot today. I got it because of this long lost of work YOU DONT SEE. I swear people who be in my cheeks all i want to scream at them is YOU CAN DO IT TOO STOP BOTHERING ME >:(
It's all genetics, not every male can prettyboymaxx. You can still try if you want, but you have to accept yourself and the fact that you'll probably live a "miserable" life. Genetics > hard work, but in some cases the hard work can bring up the hidden genetical potential.
The term bishōnen, made up of the Chinese characters for beautiful and boy/youth, has been apparent in Japan's popular culture since at least 1829, when it appeared in the title of the picture book Kinse setsu bishōnen roku (A record of reports concerning recent beautiful youths) (Ishihara 2003, 125).The prefix bi (美) more often than not refers to feminine beauty, and bijin, literally "beautiful person", is usually, though not always, used to refer to beautiful women.[5] Bichūnen (美中年) means "beautiful middle-aged man".[8] Biseinen is to be distinguished from bishōnen as seinen (青年) is used to describe men who are of age, including those who have entered or completed tertiary education. The term shōnen is used to describe boys of middle and high school age. Last, bishota can be used to refer to a beautiful, pre-pubescent male child or a childlike male.[5] Outside Japan, bishōnen is the most well-known of the three terms, and has become a generic term for all beautiful boys and young men. The aesthetic of the bishōnen began as an ideal of a young lover, originally embodied in the wakashū (若衆, literally "young person", although only used for boys), or adolescent boy, and was influenced by the effeminate male actors who played female characters in kabuki theater. The term arose in the Meiji era, in part to replace the by then obsolete erotic meaning of the older term wakashū, whose general meaning of "adolescent boy" had by this point been supplanted by the new term shōnen.[6] The bishōnen was conceived of as "aesthetically different from both women and men [...] both the antithesis and the antecedent of adult masculinity".[6] Wikipedia Search Kkonminam Article Talk Language Download PDF Kkonminam (Korean: 꽃미남; Hanja: 꽃美男; listenⓘ kkot/n [꽃] = flower, minam [미남] = handsome man) has been commonly used in South Korea since the late-1990s to refer to men who are especially concerned with personal style, grooming and fashion. This lifestyle also includes the significant usage of cosmetics. Although they are sometimes regarded as bishōnen (androgynous), generally gender or sexual orientation is unambiguous.[1] Then you have. The Björn Johan Andrésen (born 26 January 1955) is a Swedish actor and musician. He is best known for playing the 14-year-old Tadzio in Luchino Visconti's 1971 film adaptation of the 1912 Thomas Mann novella Death in Venice. He also played a minor role in Ari Aster's 2019 folk horror film Midsommar.
Just my 2 cents. Pretty boys, especially those of the teen variety are hated by boys and men, because they coast on their looks and genetics, something most consider "not earned", while the older macho men ideal could be strived for. You need to work out and get more educated. So the more a pretty boy is only liked for his looks, the more hate he gets. The second thing is, that you don't take into account how much time they spend typecast or what they are known for. Depp was always a bad boy first and foremost (21 Jump street), and early on took on the roles from Burton. Most guys knew Keanu from Bill and Ted, not from the romantic movies he later did. Chalamet again first appeared in Interstellar, a movie guys adore. Later appeared in The King and now Dune. On the other side you have Dicaprio, Efron and Bieber, who for a long stretch of time were only known for their looks and nothing else. And then there is Pitt, who was despised because of his looks (and girlfriends), but managed to shed that image with movies like Snatch and Fight club. Same with Clooney. He also was disliked for his looks. If you need a better example for someone who is genetically gifted go no further. He had the luck of being in a Tarantino movie, that instantly gives you cred with the boys.
the segment on south korea felt very surface level, as the beauty standards there are rigid and lookism rampant. but you can't ignore the glaring misogyny... men might use skincare amd makeup to conform, it's nothing resolutionary when you think about it. it's just a cultural difference, looking presentable is a sign of respect and showing up to a function looking frumpy could be seen as an insult...
First time seeing your stuff, blown away by the amount of quality here, definitely going to check out more. From the guys side of things, what you might find equally interesting is the rise of the inverse of this which is stuff like ‘musclemommies’, I see a lot of parallels there Girls building themselves up in the gym is a lot like guys learning to express themselves. At the extreme ends then, girls taking steroids is a lot like guys getting plastic surgery Idk, something like that
Oh damn I've definitely seen the "musclemommy" trend floating around too (leanbeefpatty being a huge example)! May be a nice inverse topic to look into for a future vid haha. :) Glad you enjoyed the video!
All I gotta say about this archetype is, as someone who has been into sports and fitness since literally 5 years old I've been buffed, ripped, skinny, fat, you name it, but the way people treat you when you are a slim pretty boy... I'll take that over any other archetype ANY day. Pretty privilege at it's finest and every manly, jacked dude obsessed with being the biggest guy in the room, has never felt pretty privilege in his entire life
Nah the life of a pretty boy isn't that great, all your friends are females who just want to have sex with you , no males want to hang out with you , woman are constantly sexually harassing you, men will bully you
Not really. Manly men don't look stronger. They just look boring. A pretty boy tends to have younger stronger features and thicker hair plus can still be muscular.
I honestly didn't know what I was growing up. I was liked by girls for coming off pretty (though I was weird which scared them off) I was called a pretty boy, other times I was assumed an F**kboy purely based on my appearance alone. It was... A rough life, my sister attempted to hook me up with her friends but I wasn't interested because I pretty much gynophobic at the end of the day, I hung around a few girls growing up so I'm not alien to the girls perspective, nor am I alien to the males, I dealt with shittu people on all ends. And I was one of those people who DESPISED Justin Bieber and One Direction. Growing up I think I always look back realising I pretty much saw it all. I knew how obsessive fangirls are to pretty boys and being the youngest lead me to taking a lot of perspectives in. And now being someone who takes other perspectives in, it's interesting to see how I was even part of the feminine make look, and also currently looking masculine. Crazy how if I was in a spot where girls likes me for being a "pretty boy" while being despised by Indian dudes in a public GC. My point being is that it's refreshing and a solid reminder of how to look back and see what direction you want to put yourself in. And I'm still trying to find who I am even at the age of 23.
There might be a few extra things that need to be considered with regards to the segment on the male perspective on "pretty boys." Guys have traditionally viewed the pretty boy celebrity types less favourably than more masculine ones because they represent the idea of vanity more so than masculine ones. I'm not actually suggesting that less masculine guys are necessarily more vain than more masculine men, but the immediate perception they tend to give off with how they are presented in media gives off a stronger sense of vanity and focus on physicals appearance than more masculine ones, and the types of appearance that is focused on more for masculine men tends to have a stronger association with practical application (muscle=strength, physical competence and discipline) etc. Because men do not like vanity as a trait in other men, "pretty boy" celebrities sometimes give off an instinctual "ick". I'm saying all this, by the way, as a guy who wears makeup and spends more time on my image than most other guys. (This is also somewhat true the other way around, though for different reasons. Women often dislike hyper feminine, high maintenance women that attract a lot of male attention.) With regards to music, I think this has more to do with the reason for these artist's popularity rather than the fact that they appeal to women in of itself. Bands and artists who are perceived to be popular more because of their visual image rather than the music itself have always received a lot of hate, and this is true across the board, whether it's pretty boy bands with adoring female fans, to Metal bands with a large male audience who use a lot of visuals theatrics (Slipknot is a good example; the amount of hatred they received back in the day was enormous). A lot of people rip into these boy bands because they believe that they're popular with women more so because of their image rather than the music itself (and lets face it, this is at least partially true), which is exactly why bands and artists like Slipknot and Manson got so much hate back in the 2000's as well.
Pretty boys get old, too. im 33, shave my head bald, and keep in shape, and i get told i look 28 and 24. Better to embrace the masculine look and let the pretty boys have their moment. Theyll need to embrace it too in the future.
The thing is, stereotypical masculinity is just boring. Pretty much any notable masculine traits isn't necessarily more masculine, its just boring. For example. Pretty boys are known for having good hair and attractive features. Both are technically more masculine than the balded man with bad facial features.
14:46 I once listened to an old comedy song, I don’t know who the comedian was, but the song was deriding the Beatles. There were lyrics talking about how you couldn’t hear them over the screaming fans, that they needed a haircut and be shove into the Atlantic Ocean. 23:01 I remember this part. It turns out a big reason why it was difficult for him to say the line is because he was wearing dentures.
At 26 I found out that I dress and have the personality of a soft boy. It would be more accurate to say I just discovered I am a soft boy. As you mentioned I turned around in my desk chair to see my pastel sweaters on the coat rack from the winter. My chino pants have been freshly ironed for my trip to the park so I can lean against a tree and read my book on the French Revolution's effect on the concept of love during the time. I don't know when this happened, I think it started in high school when we had to read Wuthering Heights
What you should be looking into is who was behind the revolution and how it coincidentally led to the collapse of all the old nobility of the Indo European peoples broadly! Beauty and love matter, but so does will, honor and glory....in any case I sympathize with you lol
18:28 I clicked on a video about pretty boys and here I get reminded of Dimebag's murder from a guy who's got the same 1st name as me... why is this world so cruel to me?
In writing I feel like the hate comes from an area of misrepresentation. People love to relate to characters, the most relatable characters often steuggle the most. But when your struggling character is an attractive soft boy marketted to be just that, the passion for relatability dwindles, and is passed over to raving girls. These kinds of characters can range from just being the downside of hiring rich actors misrepresenting regular people to genuinely awfully written romance made for housewives. Our art is a product of our culture, and sometimes just making shit to please people can ignore the nuances of more complicated or genuinely downtroughted character concepts that combine or twist existing tropes. Make no mistake, its usually the minority that hates these.
5 ft 9, 145 lbs, mixed, babyface... And I get underestimated a lot as a fighter and weightlifter despite being a decent martial artist and lifting 2.5x my BW as a max. Some guys just hate me making assumptions about my life - I only have a handful of friends because of this Dating hasn't been easy. Women compliment my appearance but I am too "pretty" for some and have been cheated on for a more 'rugged' looking guy Anyways... My point isn't to rant about my life (I still have a great life), but to show that the grass isn't always greener on the otherside
Absolutely masterful use of that alex jones clip. Even if he's a huckster liar etc its good to see his hilarious soundbites get used to good effect it really helped set the tone for the next part of this video lol
Pretty boy features like Barbie nose, full round lips, full cheeks, straight thick hair, and clear skin look best on people who are 5'5"-5'11" in my opinion. I’m 5'9" and wish I had those features and I’d feel handsome.
As a pretty boy myself , 5’11 , 145 and feminine features. It’s kinda a double edge sword. I do like my look and the attention from girls but I hate how I feel. I hate being slim and been trying to bulk up to gain weight. I feel weak or belittled with my weight and features. Of course not many would see my perspective nor agree but that how I view it as a pretty boy
Thanks for pointing out the backhanedness of beauty standards for men and women. The whole "medium-ugly" thing is a trip, and it is used to socially corral boys and men for the crime of trying to be equitable with women. As an aside -- if you were actually Gollum, then the One Ring would be the one calling you precious. Stay safe out there.
I used to be into pretty boys when I was in my late teens & early 20’s, but have grown out of it in my 30’s.. the pretty boys I met took advantage of girls bc they knew girls were into the aesthetic. Vanity in men just isn’t attractive to me at this point. I’m all about ppl embracing who they are & expressing themselves in a way that is authentic to them, but I personally am more attracted to traditionally masculine traits now. I don’t want a guy who tries so hard to be attractive & is overly conscious of his appearance.
Masculinity and femininity are not solely social constructs; they have biological roots that stem from hormonal influences on behavior and appearance. Being male doesn’t inherently make one masculine, just as being female doesn’t inherently make one feminine. Masculine and feminine qualities naturally emerge when hormones like androgens and estrogens shape our behaviors and physical traits. At their most distinct, these characteristics represent the "pure expressions" of masculinity and femininity. Society and culture, in observing these patterns, attempt to set standards or norms around what is considered masculine or feminine. However, these societal definitions are often flawed or overly rigid, sometimes imposing ideals that stray from natural expressions. For example, a man displaying traits typically viewed as feminine doesn't redefine masculinity itself-he is simply expressing a part of himself outside the cultural archetype. Recognizing masculine and feminine qualities doesn’t deny that people can embody a range of expressions; it simply acknowledges that these traits have a basis in biological tendencies rather than purely societal ones. Ultimately, society’s categorization of traits or even clothing styles as “masculine” or “feminine” is an imperfect way of reflecting deeper, natural inclinations. There’s a difference between the biological foundations of masculinity and femininity and the cultural ideals constructed around them. While these qualities indeed exist, culture may often misinterpret or restrict them rather than capturing their true essence. TL;DR: Masculinity is influenced by androgens, shaping male behavior and appearance, while femininity is influenced by estrogens, shaping female behavior and appearance. There’s a meaningful difference between the essence of masculinity and femininity and society’s attempt to define them, as culture often imposes ideals that don’t fully align with these biological roots.
There also seems to be the issue where girls online will talk about how they like "pretty boys" or "soft boys" or whatever, but in real life those guys get ZERO attention and women all still go for the muscular masculine guys. I mean I'm personally 5'10 and 140lbs, sharp jawline, messy hair, I make music, etc. in my early 20s, and I'm still a virgin and have never had a relationship. Meanwhile all the "jock" type guys I know are very successful with women.
Unless you are extremely genetically blessed (perfect face, broad shoulders, extremely tall) you will literally die without ever having had a relationship or sex if you don't start using steroids and try to max out the "masculine archetype"
I’m so called out. I was in the Celine fashion show. I read and uploaded a JD Salinger audiobook and was constantly gushing about it. My closet is full of pastels. Also, I’m straight. I might be a soft boy.
@@jadacampbell9331 I've seen other videos and articles on this subject and they never ever get mentioned. So are they really considered pretty boys and why is only one phenotype able to be a pretty boy.
this video was brutal im gonna be a medium ugly soft boy forever no matter what i do fml hopefully im tall and masculine in the next life because no one calls those guys names
How you look isn't your problem. It's your confidence that's holding you back here. Learn to love yourself and like how you look and you'll be much more attractive then. It might be easier said than done but you can do it and it'll be worth it. If you like how you look then someone else will to. There is beauty in everything and you're not excluded.
@@MichaelTurner856 nope there isnt sorry lol an attractive guy could say the same thing to a woman and she will still like him and say "nah sweetie that aint true" lol
Great video! Also, I fucking hate that 😂 I've always wanted society to stray away from the pressure put on women to appear doll like. Instead, we just started applying the same pressure to men. I truly don't think that cosmetics and makeup are harmless. For a big event, sure, and why not for all genders, but for every day use? No. It heavily warps our perception of beauty.
I am usually considered to fit the “pretty boy” label, except, I’ve always been a troublemaker, fights, hanging out with other troublemakers, trouble with the law; that sort of thing. I’ve actually had a lot of relationships with women/girls who are older than me and more often than not, women/girls who are into being dominated; in some way, shape or form. I usually also attract women/girls who are very possessive, obsessive or have even stalked me. One of which was particularly scary, as she sent me short stories (after breaking up) taken from the perspective of someone who’s “doing something terrible” to a little girl. I can’t even describe it, but I’ll say the little girl was no longer of this world by the end of it. It had a very ‘Otsuichi’ feel to it, except I believe she actually would do something like that or enjoy that sort of thing… I’ve actually met a descent portion of women who have some very ‘dark’ or macabre minds, even those who desire an ultimate masochistic end. Like something directly pulled out of “A Serbian Film”. I suppose, I look like someone who will be troublesome, cause a lot of pain, act cruelly or callously, cheat, and then leave them broken. So usually the women/girls would become disappointed if I don’t act this way, at first, that wasn’t who I was…
Teen Heart throbs have a very short shelf life. Some of them have the talent and luck to secure career in performing for a life time. Most are forgetten. What's Chad Michael Murray up to now? Jonas Brothers? Bieber?
I’ve honestly enjoyed lots of feminine and masculine sides of media and the world in general I noticed the stereotypes people try to force on u from a young age but I like what I like and since I’ve been a kid I was never afraid to express this having both parents definitely helped like I love all the old Disney princess movies cause of my mom I watched all of my little pony with my little sister but I love sports and action movies. To anyone struggling cause they feel like there interests might be feminine by societal standards don’t be every man has a little bit of female energy in them just like every woman has a lil bit of male energy don’t suppress these feelings or interests they will only be expressed in more aggressive ways if u do just except yourself has a whole and be your own person has cringe has it sounds the odd interests and habits u have are what end up attracting the type of people and events you need into your life and you know the saying about what u need being more important than what u want.
Since you talked about the beatles in the video, here some beatles lore After the band broke up, Paul McCartney was very much disliked by the musical press, wich favored Lennon and his view of the Beatles story and break up This brought many people to use the good looks of McCartney (he was "the pretty one") to slander his early solo career John lennon did it too in his diss track against Paul called "how do you sleep" callin paul a pretty face and tellin him that his looks will one day fade away and he'll lose his career Paul McCartney was, after the release of the album "band on the run", the most successful of the beatles in the post break up 70s
Dang, I clearly don't know my Beatle facts well enough cause I never knew Lennon and McCartney had beef. Rich of Lennon though, considering McCartney's songs are some of the best ones across their discography imo (and I love his solo stuff!).
@ana-isabel oh yea, immediately after the break up Lennon said some nasty things about both Paul and the beatles as a band (the notorious Lennon Remembers articles from Rollin Stone) even toh in later years he distanced himself from later in the 70s Unfortunately the main Beatles writers had for decades a more Lennon centered view of the band's story, but now things are changing If you want an in depth (like, 10 episodes each 2 hours long podcast or something like that) you can check the One Sweet Dream podcast wich has a series talking about the break up It's very cool cause it gives another spin to the story with queer lenses As for Paul, yea, he's my favorite of the 4 and I really love his work (both beatles years and 70s) that's why I steal from him to make my songs 👍
Any music people are widely hating on and calling not real music,, usually bops,, like,, anyone who complains smth is noise music immediately gets added to my playlist
11:19 I'll disagree with that. The entire "toxic masculinity" term is invented for them and many men receive hate for having traditionally masculine intrests. Both "types" of men receive hate but maybe the fan of one type don't usually see the hate towards the other side.
In my social experience, 'pretty boys' who aren't famous or the exact trend at that exact moment are basically invisible. I've always felt sorry for them because of it.
Gotta add a second comment for the algorithm after my first one on the video to directly say great video. Although it can be a while I between it is always great to have followed another deep dive from you. Plus now I have discovered not only am a twink but my pastel sweater and record collection say I can add softboy to my descriptors.
The situation with male sports fans only happens in places with hooligan culture, basically just the UK and France. In Hispanic countries, where it's called hincha culture, it very well includes women, and they don't just fight and break stuff. They have nothing to do with gender. These are borderline street gangs. You can get killed for wearing a team's shirt in the wrong place. I won't speak for the rest of the world since I simply don't know but I will point out East Asian fans are the most orderly.
Extremely good and nuanced Diskussion of these topics one sadly can't expect from all video essayists. Only topic I found lacking was the consumerist/ capitalist Implications of males rising beauty standards. But maybe wrong channel. Well wishes from your new softmaxxing subscriber ;)))
I like to keep my media controlled and balanced with mutiple views points on every side and I generally like to keep my whole life balanced on all fronts so I’ve always wanted a good women’s pop culture commentary channel that has high quality videos I did notice some gender biases probably due to your different experience has a women but that’s what I watch for a female perspective on things all in all I’ll sub to your channel and like the video.
Thanks for watching guys! 💜(…and sorry it’s been a while!) I’ve also been going on a bit of a romcom binge lately and would love to check out some other good ones - feel free to drop your favorites/recos below :D
Say anything and Thirteen going on thirty, completely different but I love both
Oh, its no trouble, yeah. Just in time too. loved your take on love teams btw.
Two Weeks Notice, Mr Malcolm’s List, Princess Bride.
do anime count ? because then i recommend Love is war :)
High Fidelity
I like how Robert Pattinson has gone from a pretty boy reputation with a primarily teenage girl fanbase to a reputation of great actor. Let's admit it he has primarily a teenage male fanbase because of Batman
I find it funny how a lot of those dudes were up in arms with his Batman casting prior to it coming out, but yeah - I'm glad he's gaining a ton more respect as an actor 'cause the guy deserves it! Dude has range and I actually look forward to a movie more when he's in it :D
What a terrible vampire. It took him 14 years to turn into a Bat
Helll YAAAAA
We all know Robert Pattinson did not like the attention from the girls so the best course is to show you are more talented than that and overshadow what was previously thought about you. The Lighthouse was awesome
I'm one of those male fanbase that he has, after I saw his performance for Batman. Dude is a great actor and imo, top 3 actors who played Batman.
I always appreciate that you point out the double standards and acknowledge that men's issues usually go more or less completely ignored. We're all equal here, we should lift each other up instead of pushing others down to make ourselves look higher up in comparison.
Also, a worrying trend I've seen related to the hyper focus on skincare nowadays is that a lot of young teens and even kids are destroying their skin by using an avalanche of products meant for adults. You got 8 year olds with elaborate skincare routines and that put on makeup every day, and that's just not healthy at all. You can cause permanent skin damage, allergies, eczema, and so on because the products are too intense for young skin, not to mention that kids that young shouldn't even have to think about modern beauty standards.
The patriarchy is designed to uplift men at the expense of women. Women experience misogyny. Androgyny doesn’t exist.
Would you say this about other forms of oppression? Are white people also hurt from white supremacy? Do those poor able bodied people also suffer under anti-disabled culture?
We don’t talk about men’s “oppression” because it doesn’t exist in the same way the patriarchy does.
Oh god YES I've seen these articles on how literal children are now buying products from Sephora, like what? This might actually be a good topic to look into for a future video.
@@kdog3334 Its the opposite patriarchy is a myth. Oh how privilidged where the men sent to certain death in world war one, not seldomly shamed by woman if they didn´t. Oh how priviliged are the men of today who are only one accusation of social death by woman like you thinking everything is justified against the gender oppressor. May you one day heal from your hatred against men and accept that both genders suffered throughout history immensley.
Agreed @@ana-isabel
I always found the “they should like real men” quiet worrisome, many of those pretty boys were in their late teens to early twenties, they were just entering adulthood, not to mention their target demographic was primarily young girls, would it be appropriate for a teenage girl to be fawning over a much older man that fit that “real men” image? Not to mention the obvious homophobia towards young boys that were considered soft or weak, labeling them as gay for having different interests and forms of expression
literally, I remember being a fan of One Direction looking back now, they look like children when they debuted, but to me a child, they look like adults without looking like my parents kind of adult you know, I think its really weird if adults want children to fan over grown ass men or want teen boys to look like adults and insult them for their youthfulness, its just needless insecurity in confused teens already
@lw9515 actually bts fans are alot older than normal groups, traditional boygroups have way younger fanbases, bts seem to be more of a niche fanbase like rock
@@englishblade bts debuted in 2013 and within the kpop field they became popular much earlier than internationally so their fans are not that young. also, kpop as a whole usually tries to appear as very sanitized and innocent but if you really look into it, the whole thing is dripping with sexuality and not just because the kpop artists are mostly attractive people in revealing clothes, but the concepts, lyrics and everything is very sexualized, especially when it comes to boygroups. it's also a very wild manifestation of capitalism so it aims to cater to adults who can and will pay for concerts, merch and other stuff. i haven't seen many minors at kpop concerts.
That's very insightful! I never thought of it that way, before!
That's me with my father. Ever since I started skin care routine, he often would tell me that it's "feminine". Even though he is ok having a gay son (as long as he isn't too feminine even though Im not), Im still gonna hide my bisexuality until the right time comes
Parents' distrust of Elvis Presley may actually have been justified, even if they didn't know the real reason. There's a great deal of anecdotal evidence that Elvis instructed his staff to pick out the prettiest girls in the audience and bring them to his dressing room, and that he specifically preferred girls age 14 to 16.
It's ironic that so many racist parents of the time were afraid that going to an Elvis concert would make their daughters want to have sex with black boys, while the genuine predator they should have worried about was right there on stage.
Hmmm............anecdotally.......
@@chrishaven1489 I wouldn't put it past him. Elvis was a pretty weird dude, people tend to overlook many of his questionable eccentricities.
They didn't care about predators if they were of the same racial demographic. Jerry Lee Lewis married his 13 year old cousin, everybody knew about it and he still had a career afterwards.
@@chrishaven1489 allegedly ...
priscilla was 14 when they started dating
Such age ranges weren't particularly condemned or seen as wrong back then as it is now. Consider it wrong but I dont know if it should be seen as predation when that was viewed as a common societal norm. The big push for legal AoC being recognized as the age of majority came with Nixon and was only pushed to be taken more seriously a while after third wave feminism in the mid-nineties when studies showed more than half of teenage pregnancies came from older men. Don't mistake this for advocacy, it's just a reminder our understanding of consent has evolved beyond what people were working with back then.
Huh, i never put 2 and 2 together that this is the Manic Pixie Dream Girl trope but like for the other aisle
Which is weird because manic pixie dream girls absolutely cheese my plums but I rarely have a problem with pretty boys (their fans tho...).
Might actually make sense though. Mpdgs are explicitly aimed at me, and as such I am offended at the insinuation I would be the kinda guy to be a fan. Meanwhile with pretty boys I'm removed from the situation so I don't have that personal insult to my intelligence.
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Depressed goblin nightmare boy?
More like cool girl equivalent? One in the same.
Hes not like other guys, hes tough but soft. He reads and writes in a journal.
And has to be white and skinny 😭
As someone who grew up on the 2000s too, it was so wild that ANY self care for guys was seen as effeminate like... we just want nice hair and skin my dude 🥲😅 Definitely happy that a lot of my social circles and communities have normalized and celebrated a more nuanced approach to masculinity these days. Another amazing video essay Ana and when it comes to my favorite pretty boy, would have to go with Mackenyu ✨🖤🤘
Ahh I know! Skin and haircare are great healthy habits (and can even make you more attractive to others) so I don't get why it it was never more popular among the dudes to begin with haha. But glad that the Asian beauty market's helping drive that change :D
@@ana-isabel I think it wasn't popular for the very simple that it was never advertised to guys. We were never told that girls would like you if you did that.
Luckily for me, I don't need any elaborate routine to have great hair. Not that it ever helped me get girls, but silver linings.
Maybe once I'm done losing weight I'll get some face cream I can use every now and them, but for now, washing my face with shampoo after I did my hair and beard will do.
Ya im so happy men and guys take care of themselves now, like use masks, shower, use lotion, and groom themselves. Its acceptable now for them to go for a simple mani pedi to be clean. Some nasty men tho still judge em for being "feminine" as if being clean and well kept has anything to do with gender lol At least now they arent bullied as much, I think Korean and their young pretty face had an impact in the West imo
In the 2000's you were referred to as "metro-sexual" if you were a guy who groomed/took care of yourself lol, now it's just normal.
Cuz a feminist and a gay man told Christian Bale to make that type of guy look like an insecure joke who’s trapped in the closet
The cult classic original Zoolander will never not be funny. It cracks me up every time I watch it 🤣
It's too bad the sequel was... meh. the original though - I'll forever be quoting it. and that Wham! song is forever ruined for me in all the best ways
@@ana-isabel Yeah I wasn't a fan of the sequel either which is a shame as it had basically the same cast and creators. It was sadly a let-down, but the original like you say will forever be a quotable classic with hilarious scenes :-)
The Millenial searing hate for Justin Bieber was an inexplicable phenomenon, back in 2010, when most millenials were in college or were already working, we were definitely too old and matured enough to be bothered by a 16 year old pretty boy who was just doing his thing trying to make it in the music industry, but for an unknown reason we were just filled with fury whenever we heard "baby baby baby ohhh". Oh, and Friday by Rebecca Black.
Lmao well said. i appreciate this comment. the 2010s had so much cringe that was constantly backed by industry hype
At least we still have the classics......
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I know... Justin and Rebecca were just teenagers :( I can't imagine what it must have been like to experience so much hate at such a vulnerable age.
Asian men in the West have been emasculated by Western media for so long, it's nice to see K-pop helping to redefine masculinity where taking care of ourselves isn't strictly a "feminine" thing any more. It'd be nice to see that kind of representation for South- and South-East Asian guys as well, but this is a step in the right direction.
Yes! Would love to see more rep for my SE Asian dudes :D (and more rep for just overall male self care too)
K-pop boys make Justin Bieber look like Clint Eastwood lol.
@@chalkandcheese1868 covered by oil
As someone who fits the "pretty boy" archetype (5'11, 140 lbs, youthful face), it's nice to have a video about guys like me, lol.
You’re winning in today society. Your lucky.
I’m glad you feel seen
Same dude, suffering from success
Let's wait for the 3 hour video essay about #narcissism & the shallow, cringy, self-absorbed tiktok brat generation as well. That should be exciting and eye-opening (probably). 😃
Let's wait for the 3 hour video essay about #narcissism & the shallow, #cringy, #selfabsorbed tiktok brat generation as well. That should be exciting and eye-opening (probably). ☝🏻😃
Oh awesome, new Ana Isabel. Well, that's my Sunday morning now. Good to see her again.
Ana, another remarkably well conceived and produced video essay, and delivered very well. I appreciate how much research you do, and evidence you provide. Thankfully I am well past all the "______ boy" stages and now comfortably fit into the old guy category, so the trends you describe are not something that are a big concern to me, but you always make me aware of the real issues and concerns around your topics. The discussion of fan girls and the Beatles was interesting as I just saw a meme that read "The only reason the Beatles were successful was because women were finally allowed to be horny". The same could be said for Elvis and Frank. Thanks again for an enjoyable video Ana, it was worth the wait.
Thank you so much! 🙏 plus that meme headline is gold (and likely very true hahaha).
I find it interesting that there have often been exceptions to the pretty boy misogyny-by-proxy. For instance, Rolling Stones, David Bowie, and the array of hair-metal bands in the 80s that wore silk & spandex didn't seem to get eschewed in the same way by men in their heydays. I guess similar to Johnny Depp & Keanu Reeves, they found that niche where they seemed safely masculine enough.
Oooh I actually read differently about how David Bowie was received back in his heyday, at least in the US. Apparently his eccentricity was still considered controversial there, while in comparison, audiences in Europe were more open to his image. (I am going off of the anecdotal experiences people have shared online though, so take that with a grain of salt.)
Not sure about Rolling Stones and the hair metal dudes though. Although from what I've seen, they do seem to be more embraced by the mainstream.
@@ana-isabelI have seen a lot of older men hate hair metal entirely because the guys looked effeminate. They say the music sucks but then go on and on about the looks and nothing else. Most guys in the 60s weren’t that far off from the stones imo so I didn’t know they were considered effeminate at all
The video every women's inner teenager needed.
You covered so many topics and nuances in one video I have to watch it again to fully process it, but good for you! hehe
It's unfortunate that popularisation of seemingly positive trend gathered posers, unhealthy looksmaxxers and consumerism, but at the same time yeah it makes perfect sense.
The queen is back!
Robert and Zac had to go through the hate gauntlet in order to evolve from Teenage Heart Throb to A24 King.
Timothee went the Troy Bolton route and did both at the same time.
HAHA that he did, what a king.
Finally a video about me
Says the guy with no pfp. Funny how all the "Pretty boys" on YT never show their faces.
@@Youraveragedemon-n3r Your name checks out 👍
@@Welchs-Fruit-Snacks You NPC bots say the same thing everytime. No shyt it's literally in my name, I put it for a reason to be ironic. Meanwhile your name is Welch fruit snacks and you have a pfp of BTS member, you're literally 12.
@@Youraveragedemon-n3r Isn't it ironic to call me a "NPC bot" for making fun of your name then proceed to do the same? lol
Funny how you can clearly understand sarcasm yet failed to see that OP is joking.
Also, Naming yourself after food and having a pfp of a >Ateez< member doesn't make you a child lmao.
@@Youraveragedemon-n3rJust let him hype himself up 😂. God forbid he likes how he looks and has self confidence right?
To me it was partly jealousy and partly being bothered that girls liked something I wasn't trying to become
“They look up to some twit instead of Magellan” lmao why would anyone look up to him, all he did was fail spectacularly on his mission by getting killed in a battle with Filipino natives that he started
How about Teddy Roosevelt?
That big bullmoose of a man was apparently the SOFTEST waif you'd ever hope to meet when he was a kid. Terribly asthmatic, and could only find comfort and the ability to breathe properly when his father carried him around and softly soothed him.
God damn, why do you types have to be so autistic about the shit. How about Charlemagne the great? He didn't fail....it's the principle that matters
I mean, getting in the ship in the first place takes massive balls. I doubt anybody these days could do it
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Being almost 19, 6'1, skinny and muscular, I've never had a problem with girls and i always wanted to be friends to start, but I've always been thrown around by slightly older girls in middle and high school trying to make me into their popular girl + popular boy duo but I never wanted THAT kind of intimacy. They'd call me things like coward, sissy, and gay despite the fact that I'm VERY much attracted to women. This is why I always find myself running back to the shy glasses book girls who want to talk to me about life and interesting things instead of seeing me as a pretty face, abs, star athlete with a litte money to hang out from a job placeholder boyfriend they were all competing to get. All the "so-called pretty girls" would break me emotionally, take advantage of me, and make me think I was the problem or not masculine enough despite the fact that THEY were the ones who needed me and used me. They fought over who could make me fit into their lives the tightest and even made bets with outsiders as to who would make me their boyfriend by the end of the school year. That opened me up to the horrors of girls and women at a young age and how their primal instincts mixed with toxic feminine tendencies and charms to make me into their boy toy and force me to be ok with that despite the fact that I wasn't. Now it's like im afraid of getting close to others or girls being attracted to me because I'm thinking in my head the whole time "oh no, is she into me because of the fantasy of me, or does she really like me?". Too many girls I encountered the past 4 years would just use me as a way to have money to eat and their personal pleasures but never considered what I ever wanted out of life or the fact that I had feelings of my own. Don't ever get desperate fellas because way too many guys I see get too caught up in a girl's looks so much so to the point where they can't see how downright evil she is.
I wish you didn't go through all that. I appreciate you sharing this.
@@VDOTU5 also understand that this goes both ways. The older I get the more I start to understand the pretty women everyone fights over
i can relate but i dont understand you got "used". In my own experience i was the pretty boy and girls would literally drag me. From other schools and classes. Some girls gave me gifts, try to impress me, literally got the celebrity treatment as you expected and you also experienced. And yes all the boy jelousy, trying to 1 up me, and ofcourse the mockery's form the boys and the girls everyday. But i never gotten "used, taken advantage" and to me you sound like a pussy. not gonna lie. And what popular guy thinks or even any guy thinks "what if she doesn't like me as who i am?" brother you were in highschool. Im also the same age as you but i think your capping lil bit twin
i just don't understand how you can point out an intrinsic key factors to being a 'Human' within essence, but then informally label based on a Gender that would count as Essentialism, which exemplifies both Gender Performativity & Constructivism as an absolute truth in determination of what's 'toxic' [insert] here...
I’m similar 6’1 18 thin but I have to say it’s more enjoyable to get the attention of real desire than none at all. I get a lot more leeway for joking even if it’s inappropriate around women. Being good looking gives you more opportunities to enjoy life. A lot of things that I do would get me crucified if I was ugly. Being good looking is always better than being ugly with the exception of predators but usually they will go after uglier victims because no one cares about them.
The vitriol hate a lot of the pretty boys like Bieber and Rob Pattinson experienced (and teen heartthrobs in general) is grown men being bitter they do not fit the standard of beauty and appeal that appeal to young women. Like I’m sorry a 16 year old girl or 21 year old woman isn’t gonna be attracted to 40 year old man and if you’re mad they aren’t then you’re the weirdo.
Anyways I remember I didn’t understand the hype around Timothee then I finally watched one of his movies (The King) and understood immediately. My favorite pretty boys are Timothee Chalamat and Kim Taehyung from BTS.
Maybe, but most of the vitriolic hate levied at Bieber at the time wasn't coming from middle aged men who were too old to care; but other guys roughly the same age as him.
Lol with Bieber I thought the hate was because folk disliked his music. Like I never liked his music but for the person I was pretty indifferent 💀
My problem with it lies in the fact that it's just white dudes. There's a sheer lack of diversity within this pretty boy archetype.
@eta_carithebrightlord3396 I mean, I hated his music. I couldn't care less about his looks, as I didn't care about my looks either.
@@wisemage0 nah even when bieber was 15-17 most of the hate was from grown men a lot older than him
Genuinely one of the most underrated channels ever
As a guy, I always scoff at the idea that men are above this kind of behavior. We are less likely to be in touch with our emotions, but that doesn't mean we aren't experiencing them. Neurologically, all decisions are made with some emotional component. Somebody who has had their hippocampus damaged (the part of the brain that regulates emotions) will have difficulty picking out what they want to eat for lunch, because there is no emotional resonance to guide them.
18:06 On the note of crazy male sports fans, the orks of Warhammer 40k were directly inspired by 80s British soccer fanatics. They have a childish view of the universe, are prone to dying doing something extremely stupid, speak in a drunken Cockney dialect of English, and are always looking for another fight. The orks are the only faction to be happy living in a galaxy that is falling apart, because it always gives them another person to fight. They are also always masculine in appearance (although canonically without sex or gender).
Love that bit of Warhammer trivia, haha. (And spot on with the whole emotions thing!)
I also think a lot of this has to do with hating what little girls and women like as a culture. Like thinking what girls like is dumb as a society etc. my ex used to always tell me I didn’t understand or actually like music I was probably just attracted to the musician and therefore my opinion on music wasn’t valid lmao
I mean it’s kinda true tho. 99% of girls listening to BTS have actually no clue wtf they are saying, they just think they’re cute. Women’s preferences in musicians have always been predicated on looks that just how u guys are built. In elections women are more likely to vote for the more attractive candidate, there have been studies to back this.
hey there! I'm half way through and I have a couple thoughts:
1) as far as templates of masculinity that align with me go, I'm a "pretty boy" not a jock or a geek or whatever (it's all very silly, but either way)
2) I'm also a Metal musician (among other genres, but that's the home base)
3) Being a Metalhead wont get you maligned with regards to your gender, it'll get you maligned for your assumed aggression levels, or lower intelligence, or broadly just being an oaf that shouldn't be taken too seriously, if not the bully or antagonist. It's not that we don't get baseless/incredulous bad press, it's just that it's not too related to gender.
4) there are so many important women and fems in the Metal scene, that it's a shame people keep refering to it as a place that's mainly useful to serve masculinity and aggression. So much of it is about socio-political unease, mental and physical health, and the struggle for survivability - A lot of fems resonate deeply with that, if not perform it themselves outright. It's just a bummer that only the male participants get seen as "the real audience" you know
anyways, This is a really solid video and you killed it, homie!
blud thinks he's 'pretty' lmao
Having had many metalhead friends, this definitely tracks!
Thanks for sharing your experience, this was very well said.
Thanks for sharing! And glad you liked the video. Yes to be clear, metalheads do still face negative stereotypes - just, as you said, more focused on aggression and rowdiness rather than jabs at their sexuality or cultural cred/taste.
I can't say I listen to the genre much, but I did do a bit of study on it back in college for a music course, and its common themes of mental health and socio-politics were incredibly interesting. :)
On the "medium ugly" thing, from what you described it's definitely not what I'm looking for, but does strike on a thought I've had for a while. This penchant to push "everyone is beautiful" has a lot of flaws. Some people are just not beautiful. *I'm* not beautiful. But it also doesn't mean a person doesn't have value or that no one will ever find them attractive.
Sort of like how body positivity has tried to pivot on calling someone "fat". Like, it's not wrong, some people are fat. The thing that has to change is the value judgement that goes underneath it so often.
Exactly. Especially when plain, overweight and woc who are far away from the beauty standards are still seen as unappealing.
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I’m sorry to say but that will never happen. It is human nature to value things we found beautiful. Always have, always will. We can treat ugly and fat people as valuable from a humanitarian perspective but don’t think it’ll be the same when it comes to dating,sex, or marriage.
@ilikepancakes2368 You have utterly missed the entire point of my comment and should maybe try rereading it, but you're also sounding like a rude jerk so maybe you're just a jackass.
No
Tokio Hotel was my Pretty Boy poison of choice back in the day. Those twins!!! Seeing about 5 seconds of b-roll footage just just brought it all back. Time for round 2??
I love how the concept can also be applied to video games.
For example, Resident Evil. The two male protagonists, Leon and Chris, can be put in the Macho Man v. Pretty Boy stereotype, respectively. With Chris, he is the boulder punching, shouting soldier with bulging muscles the size of his head. There are some soft moments with him, especially towards Jill and his sister Claire, but overall, he does seem to represent tbe tyoical jock.
Leon, on the other hand, fits the pretty boy style to a T. With his longish blonde hair and blue eyes and clear, youthful skin. Although he does grow some stubble after RE4, he still looks more 'prettier' than Chris. The comparison is very stark in RE6, where Chris is more broad and stocky, Leon is more slender and agile, preferring to use his legs in combat, compared to Chris' punches (Using legs in hand to hand combat, can be seen as more feminine in video games as female characters are made to do this more often to sexualise their long legs).
Whilst in the original RE4, Leon is snarky, rude, sarcastic, and a bit of a misogynistic jackarse (...women 😒), the remakes really leaned into the pretty lover boy aspect of Leon's character. In RE2R, he looks and sounds much younger and has a Justin Beiberesque hair style with long eyelashes and blue eyes. He is naive, trusting, and kind. And some of this carries into RE4R, where, despite gaining more muscle, he still has his clear skin, good looks, and long blonde hair. He is less rude and misogynistic and is portrayed as more caring and empathetic to Ashley and her situation. When he comforts her after her body was taken over and she accidentally hurts him, he remains calm and patient with her, responding to her awkward flirting, with gentle redirections and jokes and compliments her skills (ie. The Bulldozer part, and when she finds the key to the cage, Leon is locked in).
Yet despite all this, Leon is the most popular character in the franchise. Although that can be contributed to the original RE4, it hasn't escaped my notice that since the RE2R release in 2019, Leon has gained a large female fanbase as well. That may be due to the fact that it has become more popular for women to play video games compared to when the original games were released, but Leon's characterisation in the remakes has also played a role.
It’s also good to point out that contrary to the upcoming arguments, Chris is a deeper character than Leon. Chris is a man of experience, Leon is a man of promotion. Leon is where he is because he’s done things worth bragging about, but Chris lived a life of war and horror. He’s lost more than Leon has ever suffered
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I don't agree with that statement. To be honest, Resident Evil has never been a franchise that explores its characters deeply. However, that doesn't mean that Leon is a shallow written character. The difference between Chris and Leon is the way they express their traumas and emotions. Chris is more outspoken and loud. He is more prone to angry, even violent, outbursts towards his enemies. That can be why people may see him as more of a 'deeper' character as his emotions are more clearly seen and shown to the player. In fact, a lot of gamers see him as a jock character who punches boulders whilst fighting in a volcano. This could be biased, but I never really liked his character much. I always thought he was a bit boring. Hopefully, if Capcom ever remakes RE5, 6, or even Code Veronica, they expand more on his character.
However, Leon is more internal when it comes to his feelings, preferring to keep them to himself or cover it up with jokes and quips. His character only got that promotional due to the success of the original Resident Evil 4. That is why he is the face of the franchise.
He is very much NOT a shallow character, and the remakes do a good job of expanding his trauma and experience in Raccoon City. You can see it in his demeanour, his appearance, and his actions that his time in Raccoon City has changed him. The movies go into more detail in regard to his relationship with the US government and his alcohol abuse.
Leon has had a terrible time fighting BOWs and has suffered just as much as Chris, if not more, because Chris has always had some near him to rely on. Leon is a solo operative. The government dispatches him by himself into dangerous life-threatening situations, and he has no one to rely on. Chris had Claire, Jill, Sheva, Piers, and Ethan. In Raccoon City, Leon and Claire get separated before they even reach the RPD, Marvin turns into a zombie, and Ada betrays him. Even when him and Claire reunite, she leaves him and Sherry to find her brother, and Leon is blackmailed/threatened to join USSTRATCOM.
@@XJYNCT so what’s Leon’s code? We already know Chris’ code
@@notproductiveproductions3504 wdym
@@XJYNCT we know the lines Chris is hesitant to cross, the lines he straight up WON’T cross, and what he stands for. How much of the same can we say about Leon?
I'm glad skin care is becoming more important regardless of gender. That seems like a big positive.
Sometimes I'm not sure if I want the pretty boy or want to be the pretty boy. Anyone else?
In thinking about the "medium ugly" thing, i can't help but see echoes of the "dad bod" craze, where the push was for men who were handsome, yes, but not handsome in a way that A. seemed attainable to the average schmuck, and B. didn't involve a level of grooming that society deemed too feminine. I agree with the points you've brought up, but also it seems interesting to me that we consistently idealize a pretty carefully coiffed (if not too obviously "girly") ideal for women regardless of its attainability, while for men we keep coming back to questions about whether our standards are attainable. I haven't looked into the medium ugly fandom, but my memories of the dad bod craze were that the embrace of more average, attainable forms of beauty never extended to the girlfriends of dad bod havers.
Personally, i'd like to see a day where we embrace lots of different ways to be desirable with lots of different bodies, but that's never going to fly as long as manufacturers have beauty products--and insecurities--to sell.
Dad bod craze was never real. And no one “aims” for a dad bod lmao
@@Dagotur one think i recall is that the "dad bods" that people would use for example were not what i thought of when reading "dad bod" ... these guys were always in pretty solid shape, very stout builds.. but with a little bit of chub.. they were definitely not in this "medium ugly" category
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Another amazing video, and I'm glad that you brought up the unfair beauty standards that affect men just as much as women. It's wonderfully timed for Men's Mental Health Awareness Month
@ville__ Feminists and pretty boys.
I don't know if it's a fair comparison to say Idris Elba doesn't get the same criticism for being "overhyped" the way less masculine male celebrities do. Sure he doesn't get the same criticism specifically for being more feminine like them, but I remember clearly how many "fans" of James Bond lost their minds and wanted to boycott the next movie if he were cast as the lead because "James Bond isn't black." Male actors of color are often only loved if they don't encroach on the spaces these fans think belong to white men exclusively.
Wrong argument there. But you're right about the backlash. As for encroaching, I'm a minority mixed race man myself. Am I a self hating man because I want us to have original roles and not have to rely on usurping or replacing traditional white IP created roles?
The fact that you feel entitled enough to be lazy and claim victimhood is part of the problem. I do not want to see a black or brown Superman because it says we need the validation of taking over a white person's role instead of creating our own role from scratch.
Would you be so open to a white or Asian actor playing T'Challa ( Black Panther) , Blade or Al Simmons ( Spawn)? No? If you can't operate by the same rules you demand, then you're a hypocrite.
It does belong to them because they created it
@@Iron-Bridge This depends on the character and whether their race/ethnicity is core trait to them in their story.
Case in point a character like T'challa's core trait is being black African royalty. On the flipside Ragnar Lothbroks core trait is being a white Nordic vikiking. Hence, race swapping these Characters would compromise them.
However, there are other characters where this isn't really the case. James Bond is one of them. You could have a black bond and tell the exact same stories without the character being compromised. My only critique of Idris Elba is that he's too old now. But the race part is nonsensical.
My favorite pretty boy is my husband who is so insanely attractive that Hollywood would make so much money off of him if he wouldn’t be so disinterested in that kinda lifestyle
He deserves multiples women
@@voyagersmarch8776 No.
@@voyagersmarch8776 what a weird thing to say!
As someone who fits the pretty boy label 6’1 220lbs, faily great shape and perfect skin/ hair, these types of videos are always a fun watch :)
In my personal life, I get hit on a lot, it’s actually a little crazy (grew up ugly and puberty hit me like a freight train very late) but people have the nerve to tell me I’m too attractive for my girlfriend, it’s so fucking rude
Misogyny runs so deep. Woof.
Misandry runs even deeper
@@user-ix8lf6tm3c That would explain the pretty boy hate!
@@darlalathan6143 How? lol
I used to be a “pretty boy” and I have A LOT of thoughts on this topic:
So the “manly men” have been told their whole life and internalized the idea that any level of femininity in a man is bad because apparently it implies gayness, and of course in this mentality, gay = bad. They’re taught that the only way to be a valid and acceptable man is to be as masculine and tough as humanly possible at all times. They have a patriarchal image of the world where only the “true” men are at the top, so any implication of femininity or queerness will lower their perceived standing in the hierarchy to that of the group they’ve been compared to. And since they know how badly women and gay men are treated, they’re terrified that they’ll be subjected to exactly what they’ve been subjecting those people to.
The other element is jealousy. I got a lot of attention from every gender back when I was a cute lil twink. Some cis het guy friends started pulling back more and more when they saw the attention I got from girls. Ironically, embracing my pansexuality and therefore not needing to be afraid of the perception of queerness is exactly the kind of stuff that made those girls interested in me. For example, I was literally the only guy dancing at my senior prom while all the guys slouched around the edges of the room, so every girl in my class was dancing with and grinding on me while their dates glared. Some said something to me in the bathroom and I was like “dude literally all you have to do is dance with your date. That’s all they want to do. They WANT to grind on you but you’re ignoring them. I promise if you just dance with your date and pay attention to her you WILL get laid tonight.”
The few guys who listened to my advice later reached out to me to apologize and thank me because I was, in fact, right.
TL;DR: toxic masculinity for the sake of getting girls is the very thing preventing guys from getting girls and they jealous of the guys who aren’t bound by that insecurity.
There’s no such thing as toxic masculinity
@@user-ix8lf6tm3cWhen a standard of so called masculinity holds you back from being yourself and showing your feelings it is toxic
This comment is not really related but it’s very odd as a black guy how black guys are only afforded toxic masculine traits as an attractive trait. Even among peers you have to act in a “masculine” way all the time. Most depictions in media don’t help at all. Then you see how other people are fawning over someone that you can never be. It’s a cause for envy. It’s kind of how an attractive man being with a normal looking woman can be shocking for some. The social implications of being replaced by someone with a “hard wig” can be difficult for any woman who takes care of themselves physically for the male gaze. The feeling of being lied to by society is not a pill someone can swallow unless you have been both sides.
Took the words out of my mouth. Im still a pretty boy when i want to be ig(we all wake up ugly asf). I've lost a lot of oppurtunities in my life as an adult because i was considered the pretty boy. People get SUPER jealous if anything good happens to you and make it their mission to screw you over when in reality i didn't get this oppurtunity because im hot today. I got it because of this long lost of work YOU DONT SEE. I swear people who be in my cheeks all i want to scream at them is YOU CAN DO IT TOO STOP BOTHERING ME >:(
@@user-ix8lf6tm3c yes there is.. there is positive and toxic masculinity just as there is positive and toxic femininity
It's all genetics, not every male can prettyboymaxx. You can still try if you want, but you have to accept yourself and the fact that you'll probably live a "miserable" life.
Genetics > hard work, but in some cases the hard work can bring up the hidden genetical potential.
I'm considered a pretty boy and I didn't looksmax
Whew, chile, the way these grown-ass men threw tantrums over Justin Bieber's existence...
Yet, women are the irrationally emotional gender
@@KamisuitendoThey are tho. Who is throwing tantrums over Beiber lol? Just bc u say it doesn’t make it true.
@@user-ix8lf6tm3c What was my reply? I can't see it
The term bishōnen, made up of the Chinese characters for beautiful and boy/youth, has been apparent in Japan's popular culture since at least 1829, when it appeared in the title of the picture book Kinse setsu bishōnen roku (A record of reports concerning recent beautiful youths) (Ishihara 2003, 125).The prefix bi (美) more often than not refers to feminine beauty, and bijin, literally "beautiful person", is usually, though not always, used to refer to beautiful women.[5] Bichūnen (美中年) means "beautiful middle-aged man".[8] Biseinen is to be distinguished from bishōnen as seinen (青年) is used to describe men who are of age, including those who have entered or completed tertiary education. The term shōnen is used to describe boys of middle and high school age. Last, bishota can be used to refer to a beautiful, pre-pubescent male child or a childlike male.[5] Outside Japan, bishōnen is the most well-known of the three terms, and has become a generic term for all beautiful boys and young men.
The aesthetic of the bishōnen began as an ideal of a young lover, originally embodied in the wakashū (若衆, literally "young person", although only used for boys), or adolescent boy, and was influenced by the effeminate male actors who played female characters in kabuki theater. The term arose in the Meiji era, in part to replace the by then obsolete erotic meaning of the older term wakashū, whose general meaning of "adolescent boy" had by this point been supplanted by the new term shōnen.[6] The bishōnen was conceived of as "aesthetically different from both women and men [...] both the antithesis and the antecedent of adult masculinity".[6]
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Kkonminam (Korean: 꽃미남; Hanja: 꽃美男; listenⓘ kkot/n [꽃] = flower, minam [미남] = handsome man) has been commonly used in South Korea since the late-1990s to refer to men who are especially concerned with personal style, grooming and fashion. This lifestyle also includes the significant usage of cosmetics. Although they are sometimes regarded as bishōnen (androgynous), generally gender or sexual orientation is unambiguous.[1] Then you have.
The Björn Johan Andrésen (born 26 January 1955) is a Swedish actor and musician. He is best known for playing the 14-year-old Tadzio in Luchino Visconti's 1971 film adaptation of the 1912 Thomas Mann novella Death in Venice. He also played a minor role in Ari Aster's 2019 folk horror film Midsommar.
Just my 2 cents. Pretty boys, especially those of the teen variety are hated by boys and men, because they coast on their looks and genetics, something most consider "not earned", while the older macho men ideal could be strived for. You need to work out and get more educated.
So the more a pretty boy is only liked for his looks, the more hate he gets.
The second thing is, that you don't take into account how much time they spend typecast or what they are known for. Depp was always a bad boy first and foremost (21 Jump street), and early on took on the roles from Burton.
Most guys knew Keanu from Bill and Ted, not from the romantic movies he later did.
Chalamet again first appeared in Interstellar, a movie guys adore. Later appeared in The King and now Dune.
On the other side you have Dicaprio, Efron and Bieber, who for a long stretch of time were only known for their looks and nothing else.
And then there is Pitt, who was despised because of his looks (and girlfriends), but managed to shed that image with movies like Snatch and Fight club. Same with Clooney. He also was disliked for his looks. If you need a better example for someone who is genetically gifted go no further. He had the luck of being in a Tarantino movie, that instantly gives you cred with the boys.
Interesting connections with the myth of meritocracy and just world fallacies...
Pretty much, men want to live in a world where fame and praise should be earned by hard work, not genetics. Women on the other hand seemingly do not.
Note to everyone, you can be in either side of beauty, on any scale, but no one can match the one that makes everyone laugh
the segment on south korea felt very surface level, as the beauty standards there are rigid and lookism rampant. but you can't ignore the glaring misogyny... men might use skincare amd makeup to conform, it's nothing resolutionary when you think about it. it's just a cultural difference, looking presentable is a sign of respect and showing up to a function looking frumpy could be seen as an insult...
First time seeing your stuff, blown away by the amount of quality here, definitely going to check out more.
From the guys side of things, what you might find equally interesting is the rise of the inverse of this which is stuff like ‘musclemommies’, I see a lot of parallels there
Girls building themselves up in the gym is a lot like guys learning to express themselves. At the extreme ends then, girls taking steroids is a lot like guys getting plastic surgery
Idk, something like that
Oh damn I've definitely seen the "musclemommy" trend floating around too (leanbeefpatty being a huge example)! May be a nice inverse topic to look into for a future vid haha. :)
Glad you enjoyed the video!
I'm gay so I find a lot of boys pretty lmao--buttt my favorite pretty boy, and this is a recent development, is jun from seventeen
1:41 I love how it's just "The Deep"
All I gotta say about this archetype is, as someone who has been into sports and fitness since literally 5 years old I've been buffed, ripped, skinny, fat, you name it, but the way people treat you when you are a slim pretty boy... I'll take that over any other archetype ANY day. Pretty privilege at it's finest and every manly, jacked dude obsessed with being the biggest guy in the room, has never felt pretty privilege in his entire life
Nah the life of a pretty boy isn't that great, all your friends are females who just want to have sex with you , no males want to hang out with you , woman are constantly sexually harassing you, men will bully you
Lol true
Man, that intro gag about Chace Crawford got me because up until just now, I remembered him as The Deep. Back to the rest of the video lol
Oh thank god, i thought TH-cam has unsubscribed me from your channel haha
ive been wanting devon bostick to star in a romcom for a while
ALSO good video lol
OMG DEVON BOSTICK I would watch that romcom for sure
Tbh, as a man, none of us want to be known as pretty boy, thats why Efron now look the way he is.
Disagree
Not really. Manly men don't look stronger. They just look boring. A pretty boy tends to have younger stronger features and thicker hair plus can still be muscular.
Currently Ropemaxxing Rn 💀
💩 sucks
@@robinsr4745 facts 💀
Hate the way you look and it pulls you down? Yeah, me too.
I've placed an ultimatum on me. 5 years to correct all my issues, or else, end it.
@@jeansynklar386
I wouldnt go that far...
@williamwallcroft2559 I get it bro, trust 🗿
I honestly didn't know what I was growing up. I was liked by girls for coming off pretty (though I was weird which scared them off) I was called a pretty boy, other times I was assumed an F**kboy purely based on my appearance alone. It was... A rough life, my sister attempted to hook me up with her friends but I wasn't interested because I pretty much gynophobic at the end of the day, I hung around a few girls growing up so I'm not alien to the girls perspective, nor am I alien to the males, I dealt with shittu people on all ends. And I was one of those people who DESPISED Justin Bieber and One Direction.
Growing up I think I always look back realising I pretty much saw it all. I knew how obsessive fangirls are to pretty boys and being the youngest lead me to taking a lot of perspectives in. And now being someone who takes other perspectives in, it's interesting to see how I was even part of the feminine make look, and also currently looking masculine. Crazy how if I was in a spot where girls likes me for being a "pretty boy" while being despised by Indian dudes in a public GC.
My point being is that it's refreshing and a solid reminder of how to look back and see what direction you want to put yourself in. And I'm still trying to find who I am even at the age of 23.
Hatred of pretty boys is probably jealousy. Uglier guys with no sexual identity of their own.
Such complete info! Very good, ty
Let not forget that DV rates go up during football season, something that’s actually backed with numbers. Something that men just brush past.
I live in the hood as a” pretty boy” tell you juvie was straight fades back to back to back 🤦♂️
Light skin aswell very light skin too shi 🤦♂️
4:46 - shows Astarion and Legolas on the Pinterest
I see you are a woman of culture as well
I've got a type 🥲 (elven men)
There might be a few extra things that need to be considered with regards to the segment on the male perspective on "pretty boys."
Guys have traditionally viewed the pretty boy celebrity types less favourably than more masculine ones because they represent the idea of vanity more so than masculine ones.
I'm not actually suggesting that less masculine guys are necessarily more vain than more masculine men, but the immediate perception they tend to give off with how they are presented in media gives off a stronger sense of vanity and focus on physicals appearance than more masculine ones, and the types of appearance that is focused on more for masculine men tends to have a stronger association with practical application (muscle=strength, physical competence and discipline) etc.
Because men do not like vanity as a trait in other men, "pretty boy" celebrities sometimes give off an instinctual "ick".
I'm saying all this, by the way, as a guy who wears makeup and spends more time on my image than most other guys.
(This is also somewhat true the other way around, though for different reasons. Women often dislike hyper feminine, high maintenance women that attract a lot of male attention.)
With regards to music, I think this has more to do with the reason for these artist's popularity rather than the fact that they appeal to women in of itself.
Bands and artists who are perceived to be popular more because of their visual image rather than the music itself have always received a lot of hate, and this is true across the board, whether it's pretty boy bands with adoring female fans, to Metal bands with a large male audience who use a lot of visuals theatrics (Slipknot is a good example; the amount of hatred they received back in the day was enormous).
A lot of people rip into these boy bands because they believe that they're popular with women more so because of their image rather than the music itself (and lets face it, this is at least partially true), which is exactly why bands and artists like Slipknot and Manson got so much hate back in the 2000's as well.
Pretty boys get old, too. im 33, shave my head bald, and keep in shape, and i get told i look 28 and 24. Better to embrace the masculine look and let the pretty boys have their moment. Theyll need to embrace it too in the future.
It depends. Some people go from pretty to straight up old. They never look like someone like you.
@@joseijosei it depends on a lot of factor but staying healthy and good shape contributes a lot
What about Leo from titanic?
The thing is, stereotypical masculinity is just boring. Pretty much any notable masculine traits isn't necessarily more masculine, its just boring. For example. Pretty boys are known for having good hair and attractive features. Both are technically more masculine than the balded man with bad facial features.
14:46 I once listened to an old comedy song, I don’t know who the comedian was, but the song was deriding the Beatles. There were lyrics talking about how you couldn’t hear them over the screaming fans, that they needed a haircut and be shove into the Atlantic Ocean.
23:01 I remember this part. It turns out a big reason why it was difficult for him to say the line is because he was wearing dentures.
At 26 I found out that I dress and have the personality of a soft boy. It would be more accurate to say I just discovered I am a soft boy. As you mentioned I turned around in my desk chair to see my pastel sweaters on the coat rack from the winter. My chino pants have been freshly ironed for my trip to the park so I can lean against a tree and read my book on the French Revolution's effect on the concept of love during the time.
I don't know when this happened, I think it started in high school when we had to read Wuthering Heights
Lol you found your inner femininity 😂
Im kidding, embrace it enjoy who you are, be true to yourself
What you should be looking into is who was behind the revolution and how it coincidentally led to the collapse of all the old nobility of the Indo European peoples broadly! Beauty and love matter, but so does will, honor and glory....in any case I sympathize with you lol
18:28 I clicked on a video about pretty boys and here I get reminded of Dimebag's murder from a guy who's got the same 1st name as me... why is this world so cruel to me?
In writing I feel like the hate comes from an area of misrepresentation. People love to relate to characters, the most relatable characters often steuggle the most. But when your struggling character is an attractive soft boy marketted to be just that, the passion for relatability dwindles, and is passed over to raving girls. These kinds of characters can range from just being the downside of hiring rich actors misrepresenting regular people to genuinely awfully written romance made for housewives.
Our art is a product of our culture, and sometimes just making shit to please people can ignore the nuances of more complicated or genuinely downtroughted character concepts that combine or twist existing tropes. Make no mistake, its usually the minority that hates these.
great video, watched this while straightening my hair, made me feel a bit more validated, thank you lol
5 ft 9, 145 lbs, mixed, babyface... And I get underestimated a lot as a fighter and weightlifter despite being a decent martial artist and lifting 2.5x my BW as a max. Some guys just hate me making assumptions about my life - I only have a handful of friends because of this
Dating hasn't been easy. Women compliment my appearance but I am too "pretty" for some and have been cheated on for a more 'rugged' looking guy
Anyways... My point isn't to rant about my life (I still have a great life), but to show that the grass isn't always greener on the otherside
They basically got hate from guys saying to themselves “it should’ve been me.”
Absolutely masterful use of that alex jones clip. Even if he's a huckster liar etc its good to see his hilarious soundbites get used to good effect it really helped set the tone for the next part of this video lol
My pretty boy look is the only reason I've gotten any play at 5'6/5'7 lmao
Lmao I saw you comment that you had a 5'3" girlfriend in Hamzas video right?
Pretty boy features like Barbie nose, full round lips, full cheeks, straight thick hair, and clear skin look best on people who are 5'5"-5'11" in my opinion. I’m 5'9" and wish I had those features and I’d feel handsome.
As a pretty boy myself , 5’11 , 145 and feminine features. It’s kinda a double edge sword. I do like my look and the attention from girls but I hate how I feel. I hate being slim and been trying to bulk up to gain weight. I feel weak or belittled with my weight and features. Of course not many would see my perspective nor agree but that how I view it as a pretty boy
idk how old you are but 145 is crazy get to like 160 lean
Man's suffering from success
If your chin protrudes, you'll be fine.
@@KirbDerp I'm 135lbs at 5'10💀
Thanks for pointing out the backhanedness of beauty standards for men and women. The whole "medium-ugly" thing is a trip, and it is used to socially corral boys and men for the crime of trying to be equitable with women.
As an aside -- if you were actually Gollum, then the One Ring would be the one calling you precious. Stay safe out there.
I used to be into pretty boys when I was in my late teens & early 20’s, but have grown out of it in my 30’s.. the pretty boys I met took advantage of girls bc they knew girls were into the aesthetic. Vanity in men just isn’t attractive to me at this point. I’m all about ppl embracing who they are & expressing themselves in a way that is authentic to them, but I personally am more attracted to traditionally masculine traits now. I don’t want a guy who tries so hard to be attractive & is overly conscious of his appearance.
Masculinity and femininity are not solely social constructs; they have biological roots that stem from hormonal influences on behavior and appearance. Being male doesn’t inherently make one masculine, just as being female doesn’t inherently make one feminine. Masculine and feminine qualities naturally emerge when hormones like androgens and estrogens shape our behaviors and physical traits. At their most distinct, these characteristics represent the "pure expressions" of masculinity and femininity.
Society and culture, in observing these patterns, attempt to set standards or norms around what is considered masculine or feminine. However, these societal definitions are often flawed or overly rigid, sometimes imposing ideals that stray from natural expressions. For example, a man displaying traits typically viewed as feminine doesn't redefine masculinity itself-he is simply expressing a part of himself outside the cultural archetype. Recognizing masculine and feminine qualities doesn’t deny that people can embody a range of expressions; it simply acknowledges that these traits have a basis in biological tendencies rather than purely societal ones.
Ultimately, society’s categorization of traits or even clothing styles as “masculine” or “feminine” is an imperfect way of reflecting deeper, natural inclinations. There’s a difference between the biological foundations of masculinity and femininity and the cultural ideals constructed around them. While these qualities indeed exist, culture may often misinterpret or restrict them rather than capturing their true essence.
TL;DR: Masculinity is influenced by androgens, shaping male behavior and appearance, while femininity is influenced by estrogens, shaping female behavior and appearance. There’s a meaningful difference between the essence of masculinity and femininity and society’s attempt to define them, as culture often imposes ideals that don’t fully align with these biological roots.
There also seems to be the issue where girls online will talk about how they like "pretty boys" or "soft boys" or whatever, but in real life those guys get ZERO attention and women all still go for the muscular masculine guys.
I mean I'm personally 5'10 and 140lbs, sharp jawline, messy hair, I make music, etc. in my early 20s, and I'm still a virgin and have never had a relationship. Meanwhile all the "jock" type guys I know are very successful with women.
Unless you are extremely genetically blessed (perfect face, broad shoulders, extremely tall) you will literally die without ever having had a relationship or sex if you don't start using steroids and try to max out the "masculine archetype"
Looks maxing is a meme that came from black pill sites
yes self improvement is a meme for ugly men but not for guys with potential
I’m so called out. I was in the Celine fashion show. I read and uploaded a JD Salinger audiobook and was constantly gushing about it. My closet is full of pastels. Also, I’m straight. I might be a soft boy.
You never address that all pretty boys are white.
Blk ones who.fall.in this category: michael b jordan, Rome Flynn, algee Smith, quincy brown, Alfred Enoch, etc.
@@jadacampbell9331 I've seen other videos and articles on this subject and they never ever get mentioned. So are they really considered pretty boys and why is only one phenotype able to be a pretty boy.
@@Clockwork.Lemon854 Same in Madyson Browns video.
I'm black passing and I get called a pretty boy, twink, or femboy even
@@Kamisuitendo That's nice but there is a difference between black and black passing. I am talking about general media not personal ancedotes.
excellent work as always!
this video was brutal
im gonna be a medium ugly soft boy forever no matter what i do fml
hopefully im tall and masculine in the next life because no one calls those guys names
How you look isn't your problem. It's your confidence that's holding you back here. Learn to love yourself and like how you look and you'll be much more attractive then. It might be easier said than done but you can do it and it'll be worth it. If you like how you look then someone else will to. There is beauty in everything and you're not excluded.
@@MichaelTurner856 nope there isnt
sorry lol
an attractive guy could say the same thing to a woman and she will still like him and say "nah sweetie that aint true" lol
Great video! Also, I fucking hate that 😂 I've always wanted society to stray away from the pressure put on women to appear doll like. Instead, we just started applying the same pressure to men. I truly don't think that cosmetics and makeup are harmless. For a big event, sure, and why not for all genders, but for every day use? No. It heavily warps our perception of beauty.
I am usually considered to fit the “pretty boy” label, except, I’ve always been a troublemaker, fights, hanging out with other troublemakers, trouble with the law; that sort of thing.
I’ve actually had a lot of relationships with women/girls who are older than me and more often than not, women/girls who are into being dominated; in some way, shape or form.
I usually also attract women/girls who are very possessive, obsessive or have even stalked me. One of which was particularly scary, as she sent me short stories (after breaking up) taken from the perspective of someone who’s “doing something terrible” to a little girl. I can’t even describe it, but I’ll say the little girl was no longer of this world by the end of it.
It had a very ‘Otsuichi’ feel to it, except I believe she actually would do something like that or enjoy that sort of thing…
I’ve actually met a descent portion of women who have some very ‘dark’ or macabre minds, even those who desire an ultimate masochistic end. Like something directly pulled out of “A Serbian Film”.
I suppose, I look like someone who will be troublesome, cause a lot of pain, act cruelly or callously, cheat, and then leave them broken.
So usually the women/girls would become disappointed if I don’t act this way, at first, that wasn’t who I was…
Teen Heart throbs have a very short shelf life. Some of them have the talent and luck to secure career in performing for a life time. Most are forgetten. What's Chad Michael Murray up to now? Jonas Brothers? Bieber?
I’ve honestly enjoyed lots of feminine and masculine sides of media and the world in general I noticed the stereotypes people try to force on u from a young age but I like what I like and since I’ve been a kid I was never afraid to express this having both parents definitely helped like I love all the old Disney princess movies cause of my mom I watched all of my little pony with my little sister but I love sports and action movies. To anyone struggling cause they feel like there interests might be feminine by societal standards don’t be every man has a little bit of female energy in them just like every woman has a lil bit of male energy don’t suppress these feelings or interests they will only be expressed in more aggressive ways if u do just except yourself has a whole and be your own person has cringe has it sounds the odd interests and habits u have are what end up attracting the type of people and events you need into your life and you know the saying about what u need being more important than what u want.
Real
14:57 As a Beatles fan, I need to screenshot this and hang it on my wall.
Since you talked about the beatles in the video, here some beatles lore
After the band broke up, Paul McCartney was very much disliked by the musical press, wich favored Lennon and his view of the Beatles story and break up
This brought many people to use the good looks of McCartney (he was "the pretty one") to slander his early solo career
John lennon did it too in his diss track against Paul called "how do you sleep" callin paul a pretty face and tellin him that his looks will one day fade away and he'll lose his career
Paul McCartney was, after the release of the album "band on the run", the most successful of the beatles in the post break up 70s
Dang, I clearly don't know my Beatle facts well enough cause I never knew Lennon and McCartney had beef. Rich of Lennon though, considering McCartney's songs are some of the best ones across their discography imo (and I love his solo stuff!).
@ana-isabel oh yea, immediately after the break up Lennon said some nasty things about both Paul and the beatles as a band (the notorious Lennon Remembers articles from Rollin Stone) even toh in later years he distanced himself from later in the 70s
Unfortunately the main Beatles writers had for decades a more Lennon centered view of the band's story, but now things are changing
If you want an in depth (like, 10 episodes each 2 hours long podcast or something like that) you can check the One Sweet Dream podcast wich has a series talking about the break up
It's very cool cause it gives another spin to the story with queer lenses
As for Paul, yea, he's my favorite of the 4 and I really love his work (both beatles years and 70s) that's why I steal from him to make my songs 👍
Any music people are widely hating on and calling not real music,, usually bops,, like,, anyone who complains smth is noise music immediately gets added to my playlist
11:19 I'll disagree with that. The entire "toxic masculinity" term is invented for them and many men receive hate for having traditionally masculine intrests. Both "types" of men receive hate but maybe the fan of one type don't usually see the hate towards the other side.
In my social experience, 'pretty boys' who aren't famous or the exact trend at that exact moment are basically invisible. I've always felt sorry for them because of it.
I'm already well-read and in touch with my feelings. Perhaps I should get some pastel sweaters?
im a 36yo australian, and my pretty boy heart throb was Jesse Spencer, when he was the cutie Billy on Neighbours
Any Home and Away fans as well?
Dr Chase
@5:19 what pretty boy singer, JB 1D BTS?
Gotta add a second comment for the algorithm after my first one on the video to directly say great video. Although it can be a while I between it is always great to have followed another deep dive from you.
Plus now I have discovered not only am a twink but my pastel sweater and record collection say I can add softboy to my descriptors.
The situation with male sports fans only happens in places with hooligan culture, basically just the UK and France. In Hispanic countries, where it's called hincha culture, it very well includes women, and they don't just fight and break stuff. They have nothing to do with gender. These are borderline street gangs. You can get killed for wearing a team's shirt in the wrong place. I won't speak for the rest of the world since I simply don't know but I will point out East Asian fans are the most orderly.
the hyunjin cameo omg
Extremely good and nuanced Diskussion of these topics one sadly can't expect from all video essayists. Only topic I found lacking was the consumerist/ capitalist
Implications of males rising beauty standards. But maybe wrong channel.
Well wishes from your new softmaxxing subscriber ;)))
Or the fact that all the perceived pretty boys are white.
I like to keep my media controlled and balanced with mutiple views points on every side and I generally like to keep my whole life balanced on all fronts so I’ve always wanted a good women’s pop culture commentary channel that has high quality videos I did notice some gender biases probably due to your different experience has a women but that’s what I watch for a female perspective on things all in all I’ll sub to your channel and like the video.
oh my god you naturally have the watchmojo voice, you rock subbed