Currently have a Transit Custom as a wheelchair accessible vehicle. What worries me is all WAV have floors lowered for the wheelchair so this is a problem in the future. Ford really does need to give its head a wobble €70k and halogen headlights with wheel trims!
Absolutely nuts the price of electric vehicles. Who in their right mind would pay high 60's to mid 70's euro for a VAN.🤯. God be with the days when you could buy a really nice brand new car for mid 20k. Not a hope nowadays. Your looking at nearly double that now for the equivalent car, all in the space of 10 years or so
@@jollyroger5999 I love that your mind is blown by age old ideas like inflation. Welcome to earth. Time passes. Prices rise. If our governments were doing their jobs wages would too. This is life.
My boss , Richard grab that Transit , there’s a pallet at Wakefield that needs taking to Penrith, on the way back call in at Liverpool to collect . This is the real world .
Helpfully informative review, thank you very much. You mentioned the Maxus, in passing, presumably referring to the 88.5kW/hr model. I was wondering if you really meant that the Maxus has a slightly "longer charge" or actually a slightly longer range (the useable battery being about 14lW/hrs bigger than the e-Transit's 68kW/hr). Would be v grateful for your thoughts as I'm weighing up the e-Transit and 88.5kW/hr Maxus. (I think the Maxus might take slightly longer to fast-charge per kW/hr, as it happens...)
I like the review and if I was using it around a stately home or something it seems a reasonable van but it really can't do a lot of things Transits are used for. When its cold out or you're running heavy in a hilly area that range is going to plummet. For long distance work its very short ranged and that fictional 20 minute stop would be after finding a charger, leaving the route, plugging in and all the rest then getting back onto the route. So thats more like half an hour. Even at the best charger and with the battery in the perfect temperature range the most it could do in 20 mins would be a theoretcal 38kWh. With charging curves thats more like 30 and if its hot/cold/whatever its going to be much less. The reality is you're going to spend half an hour not doing what you need to be doing for around a 30 mile boost in range - only to need to repeat it again in half an hour. Thats also before any degradation has set in. Honestly it could be a good van but there's very little it can actually do year round, reliably with such a small amount of energy on board. It might be ok as a last mile stop start van for Amazon or similar and I'm sure it would make a great milk float but for the work a Transit is usually put through its miles off. That battery size is in plug-in hybrid territory for a big van. Lets take one of my vehicles as an example. Its a Transit minibus diesel. Its use depends a lot on what we have on at the time but sometimes it goes out and can run 500-800 miles per day and being a minibus its usually close to full capacity and with luggage on board. Its nipping at its 3.7T weight limit a lot of the time. It usually does 500-ish miles per tank and has never been below 400 even in the worst traffic conditions. It also takes less than five minutes to refil pretty much anywhere in the country you happen to be when its required. Since it has so much range that means its easy to sync the stops with the required stops on the tach so it really is only five minutes added as you've already had to find the rest place - which inevitably sits near a fuel station. That means fuelling adds around ten minutes to a 14-hour day. The electric would probably be into day three by the time it had done the same work. With a ~35% increase in price. Ours isn't the worst use case, either. I know quite a few people running taxi/transfers who run them 24/7 - only stopping for maintenance. I also know a few people who run plant hire businesses which means the van is loaded up with rental tools and usually lugging a mini-digger behind it too. People don't tend to buy full sized vans to do little work and if they are expensive that is even more true.
To see how the E-Transit works for a Plumber who carries 2,000 lbs of gear (900 kg of kit) see Smedley's Plumbing channel. He runs it through a variety of tests. On city streets fully loaded he gets over 200 miles of range. More than enough for his usual plumbing route. He notes that, EV or not, cultivating a client list close to home is an important part of the business model, as time spent driving all over creation is time that doesn't get billed. As such, the EV fits his business perfectly. Saves significant money on fuel and maintenance. The same could be said for a variety of trades.
Pity that's it just 11kW on three phase? 22kW ( 3 x 7 ) would be much more useful - especially in a van. Transits were always so flexible - hope these work out to be just as good.
You need an electricity supply that will support that amount though,,,and if you have multiple vans that all adds up ,,all assuming you only run vehicles during the day ,,, a quarter of the day or night will be needed for charging
Worst van ever....I have a 2022 and it has 9k miles and the dealership offered me 21 as a trade in.....do not buy this piece of shit...I paid 57k fornit.
1:38 - 68kWh usable. In a full sized Transit? So what are you doing with it - delivering flowers or only doing 50 miles between half hour stops - if you can find a fast enough charger just in the right place? Loads more money and half as usable. Bargain.
To see how the E-Transit works for a plumber who loads it with 900kg of kit (2,000 lbs of gear), see Smedley's Plumbing channel. Spoiler: He gets over 200 miles driving on city streets. More than enough for his business. But if that's not enough, it looks like the new E-Sprinter will have a much bigger battery and longer range.
@@davidmenasco5743 I'm not even going to bother watching it because from what you say alone its obviously false. The numbers simply don't add up. Well unless he's spending 10 hours per day driving with no hvac on and minimal hills/stop/start. Doesn't sound much like a plumber to me. What is most likely - though again I can't be bothered to check - is that he's going from the range estimate which is wiledly innacurate for most ev's. "Oh look - I've done 50 miles and it says I have 150 left so it must do 200+" just doesn't cut it. Lets see it do that 200 miles in a normal work day.
@@siraff4461 Since you wouldn't watch it I decided to myself. Turns out my memory was off. They loaded the van with 1,940 lbs of gear (their normal load of equipment) and confirmed the weight at a scale. They drove it from 100% to 0% on the range display. It went 130 miles (they estimate it could be driven another 10 miles below the zero reading). Mostly residential streets and some highway driving. The video is all too real. It's over an hour long but packed with details about how the E-Transit works. (They do have other videos where they experiment with how far it can go under various conditions and find the max range is well over 200 miles but not in their normal working setup - hence my mixup) They have one E-Transit and three Transit 350 gas powered. The vans average 350 miles per week. They pay $103 per week to fuel a gas van. $7.62 per week to charge the E-Transit. At 50 weeks per year, that's $4,750 per year saved on fuel alone. Over a few years, figure another thousand saved on maintenance. The real world range is more than double what these plumbers use on a typical day. And it's about four times what many local delivery drivers need. It's definitely not for everyone. But Ford is going to have more demand than they can possibly meet for years to come, and the same for almost every other electric van and truck on the market, and for good reason. The waiting line runs out the door and around the block.
@@davidmenasco5743 As expected then - 130 miles is quite a bit off 200 easily, isn't it? Also in a large van you will be able to watch that plummet any time you're over about 40mph - something most van drivers will be a lot of the time because they are usually trying to get a job done. On the gas - I'm not sure when that video was from but cost per mile for fuel here is all but equivalent now. We used to get electricity at around 10p/kWh but last year that ramped up heavily to arond 60p/kWh. A tank of diesel in my Transit minuibus costs around £120 if its really empty but will then do around 450 miles in real world use with heating and a/c on all the time. An electric doing the same job - presuming it could and payload wasn't a problem - would be getting around 1-1.2mi per kWh. For price parity it would need to get around 2mi/kWh which with dual a/c or heat running and 62mph in a full sized Transit its just not going to be able to get near. Then there is the extra cost to finance or the loss of capital if you buy outright, then there is the higher insurance, loss of payload and all the rest. I've been around ev's a long time and had at least one in some form or other since 2010. I've also had Transits in one form or another since the 90's so I can make a fairly educated guess as to what the capabilities and good/bad sides are. As it is that Transit is a very expensive way to deliver short distance stuff. It may work for something like an Amazon carrier where its all local but for most full sized Transit work it needs a LOT more battery.
@@siraff4461 Note that the video included several miles on the highway at 65 mph. But yeah if you did consistent highway speeds in the winter you might drop as low as 70 or 75 miles range. Still enough for the plumbers who made the video but definitely limiting in some applications. But fear not. Bigger battery vans are on the way. The latest from Mercedes has a much bigger battery. Step by step these will get better and better and eventually will completely replace ICE vans. There's really no choice. The alternative will soon become unbearable. Like 40C in the UK, for example.
Yeah, you're right. The van doesn't work for 1% of the delivery van market. What was Ford thinking? As for the other 99% of delivery trucks, who drive around 60 miles a day, they will be deprived of hauling around all that extra battery weight, and be deprived of paying an extra $7,000 in up from purchase costs. Again what was Ford thinking giving delivery fleets exactly what they need?
Something different... As always 👍 and that's what makes this channel so special. Great stuff!
Thank you very much!
When are we getting the atto3 please?
Currently have a Transit Custom as a wheelchair accessible vehicle. What worries me is all WAV have floors lowered for the wheelchair so this is a problem in the future. Ford really does need to give its head a wobble €70k and halogen headlights with wheel trims!
Absolutely nuts the price of electric vehicles. Who in their right mind would pay high 60's to mid 70's euro for a VAN.🤯. God be with the days when you could buy a really nice brand new car for mid 20k. Not a hope nowadays. Your looking at nearly double that now for the equivalent car, all in the space of 10 years or so
@@jollyroger5999 I love that your mind is blown by age old ideas like inflation. Welcome to earth. Time passes. Prices rise. If our governments were doing their jobs wages would too. This is life.
did you see the US postal vans they seem pretty cool with the roller shutter doors...
My boss , Richard grab that Transit , there’s a pallet at Wakefield that needs taking to Penrith, on the way back call in at Liverpool to collect . This is the real world .
Helpfully informative review, thank you very much. You mentioned the Maxus, in passing, presumably referring to the 88.5kW/hr model. I was wondering if you really meant that the Maxus has a slightly "longer charge" or actually a slightly longer range (the useable battery being about 14lW/hrs bigger than the e-Transit's 68kW/hr). Would be v grateful for your thoughts as I'm weighing up the e-Transit and 88.5kW/hr Maxus. (I think the Maxus might take slightly longer to fast-charge per kW/hr, as it happens...)
Longer range (not a huge amount though)
I like the review and if I was using it around a stately home or something it seems a reasonable van but it really can't do a lot of things Transits are used for. When its cold out or you're running heavy in a hilly area that range is going to plummet. For long distance work its very short ranged and that fictional 20 minute stop would be after finding a charger, leaving the route, plugging in and all the rest then getting back onto the route. So thats more like half an hour. Even at the best charger and with the battery in the perfect temperature range the most it could do in 20 mins would be a theoretcal 38kWh. With charging curves thats more like 30 and if its hot/cold/whatever its going to be much less. The reality is you're going to spend half an hour not doing what you need to be doing for around a 30 mile boost in range - only to need to repeat it again in half an hour. Thats also before any degradation has set in.
Honestly it could be a good van but there's very little it can actually do year round, reliably with such a small amount of energy on board. It might be ok as a last mile stop start van for Amazon or similar and I'm sure it would make a great milk float but for the work a Transit is usually put through its miles off.
That battery size is in plug-in hybrid territory for a big van.
Lets take one of my vehicles as an example. Its a Transit minibus diesel. Its use depends a lot on what we have on at the time but sometimes it goes out and can run 500-800 miles per day and being a minibus its usually close to full capacity and with luggage on board. Its nipping at its 3.7T weight limit a lot of the time.
It usually does 500-ish miles per tank and has never been below 400 even in the worst traffic conditions.
It also takes less than five minutes to refil pretty much anywhere in the country you happen to be when its required. Since it has so much range that means its easy to sync the stops with the required stops on the tach so it really is only five minutes added as you've already had to find the rest place - which inevitably sits near a fuel station.
That means fuelling adds around ten minutes to a 14-hour day. The electric would probably be into day three by the time it had done the same work. With a ~35% increase in price.
Ours isn't the worst use case, either. I know quite a few people running taxi/transfers who run them 24/7 - only stopping for maintenance. I also know a few people who run plant hire businesses which means the van is loaded up with rental tools and usually lugging a mini-digger behind it too.
People don't tend to buy full sized vans to do little work and if they are expensive that is even more true.
To see how the E-Transit works for a Plumber who carries 2,000 lbs of gear (900 kg of kit) see Smedley's Plumbing channel. He runs it through a variety of tests.
On city streets fully loaded he gets over 200 miles of range. More than enough for his usual plumbing route.
He notes that, EV or not, cultivating a client list close to home is an important part of the business model, as time spent driving all over creation is time that doesn't get billed. As such, the EV fits his business perfectly. Saves significant money on fuel and maintenance.
The same could be said for a variety of trades.
Thanks Mate
better watch out for those forklift drivers loading at the side door and putting a ding in the battery 😮
Not me, I'm a professional 😎
They must have thought about that, and made the battery "shell" much stronger at those areas.
Mark. Loved this! Van...sorry e van review. And a superb review too. More vans please! And yes good to see Ford ahead of the e game. Thank You.
Thanks Keith
Pity that's it just 11kW on three phase? 22kW ( 3 x 7 ) would be much more useful - especially in a van. Transits were always so flexible - hope these work out to be just as good.
You need an electricity supply that will support that amount though,,,and if you have multiple vans that all adds up ,,all assuming you only run vehicles during the day ,,, a quarter of the day or night will be needed for charging
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Worst van ever....I have a 2022 and it has 9k miles and the dealership offered me 21 as a trade in.....do not buy this piece of shit...I paid 57k fornit.
Why is it so bad?
1:38 - 68kWh usable. In a full sized Transit?
So what are you doing with it - delivering flowers or only doing 50 miles between half hour stops - if you can find a fast enough charger just in the right place?
Loads more money and half as usable. Bargain.
To see how the E-Transit works for a plumber who loads it with 900kg of kit (2,000 lbs of gear), see Smedley's Plumbing channel.
Spoiler: He gets over 200 miles driving on city streets. More than enough for his business.
But if that's not enough, it looks like the new E-Sprinter will have a much bigger battery and longer range.
@@davidmenasco5743 I'm not even going to bother watching it because from what you say alone its obviously false.
The numbers simply don't add up.
Well unless he's spending 10 hours per day driving with no hvac on and minimal hills/stop/start.
Doesn't sound much like a plumber to me.
What is most likely - though again I can't be bothered to check - is that he's going from the range estimate which is wiledly innacurate for most ev's.
"Oh look - I've done 50 miles and it says I have 150 left so it must do 200+" just doesn't cut it.
Lets see it do that 200 miles in a normal work day.
@@siraff4461 Since you wouldn't watch it I decided to myself. Turns out my memory was off.
They loaded the van with 1,940 lbs of gear (their normal load of equipment) and confirmed the weight at a scale. They drove it from 100% to 0% on the range display. It went 130 miles (they estimate it could be driven another 10 miles below the zero reading). Mostly residential streets and some highway driving. The video is all too real. It's over an hour long but packed with details about how the E-Transit works. (They do have other videos where they experiment with how far it can go under various conditions and find the max range is well over 200 miles but not in their normal working setup - hence my mixup)
They have one E-Transit and three Transit 350 gas powered. The vans average 350 miles per week. They pay $103 per week to fuel a gas van. $7.62 per week to charge the E-Transit. At 50 weeks per year, that's $4,750 per year saved on fuel alone. Over a few years, figure another thousand saved on maintenance.
The real world range is more than double what these plumbers use on a typical day. And it's about four times what many local delivery drivers need. It's definitely not for everyone. But Ford is going to have more demand than they can possibly meet for years to come, and the same for almost every other electric van and truck on the market, and for good reason. The waiting line runs out the door and around the block.
@@davidmenasco5743 As expected then - 130 miles is quite a bit off 200 easily, isn't it? Also in a large van you will be able to watch that plummet any time you're over about 40mph - something most van drivers will be a lot of the time because they are usually trying to get a job done.
On the gas - I'm not sure when that video was from but cost per mile for fuel here is all but equivalent now. We used to get electricity at around 10p/kWh but last year that ramped up heavily to arond 60p/kWh.
A tank of diesel in my Transit minuibus costs around £120 if its really empty but will then do around 450 miles in real world use with heating and a/c on all the time.
An electric doing the same job - presuming it could and payload wasn't a problem - would be getting around 1-1.2mi per kWh.
For price parity it would need to get around 2mi/kWh which with dual a/c or heat running and 62mph in a full sized Transit its just not going to be able to get near.
Then there is the extra cost to finance or the loss of capital if you buy outright, then there is the higher insurance, loss of payload and all the rest.
I've been around ev's a long time and had at least one in some form or other since 2010. I've also had Transits in one form or another since the 90's so I can make a fairly educated guess as to what the capabilities and good/bad sides are.
As it is that Transit is a very expensive way to deliver short distance stuff. It may work for something like an Amazon carrier where its all local but for most full sized Transit work it needs a LOT more battery.
@@siraff4461 Note that the video included several miles on the highway at 65 mph. But yeah if you did consistent highway speeds in the winter you might drop as low as 70 or 75 miles range. Still enough for the plumbers who made the video but definitely limiting in some applications.
But fear not. Bigger battery vans are on the way. The latest from Mercedes has a much bigger battery. Step by step these will get better and better and eventually will completely replace ICE vans. There's really no choice. The alternative will soon become unbearable. Like 40C in the UK, for example.
Well over priced… no thanks
Ford e transit is a joke, only 200 miles 😂
Yeah, you're right. The van doesn't work for 1% of the delivery van market. What was Ford thinking? As for the other 99% of delivery trucks, who drive around 60 miles a day, they will be deprived of hauling around all that extra battery weight, and be deprived of paying an extra $7,000 in up from purchase costs. Again what was Ford thinking giving delivery fleets exactly what they need?