Tech details of the Ford E-Transit electric van
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 4 มิ.ย. 2024
- We look at some of the technical features and engineering of the electric Ford E-Transit with its Chief Engineer, Andrew Mottram.
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Content:
0:00 - Introduction
0:40 - Powertrain layout
3:14 - Independent rear suspension
4:50 - Battery
7:43 - Battery charging
10:26 - Preconditioning
15:00 - Energy recovery
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Just a tip for the camera person, keep it on the vehicle rather than lifting it up constantly to look at the people talking. We don't care what they look like!
Right. At the very least, stop constantly swerving around. The first several minutes of this were just nauseating.
Leaves opertunities to be missed. Because you are in the wrong spot.
You think ford would have made a frunk. Not much. But good spot to keep your lunch or service stuff.
All that camera movement is nauseating.
@@djmavewave4794 I agree. AND, this interviewer is constantly injecting his ideas, while the ford guy is talking. As if we're supposed to be impressed with his insight. Ask a question, then SHUT UP AND LISTEN!!!
They could put quite a bit more battery in that vehicle without too much downside to it other than cost. As a reference point, the battery in these vans is basically the same size (kWh not physical) as the larger battery pack in the Nissan Leaf. (The Lighting, EV Hummer, Rivian and Lucid vehicles have batteries that are ~2x the size) It's pretty clear that this first iteration is targeted at fleet operators who have their vehicles return to the depot every night. I would love to swap out my current Transits with these and do away with gas completely in my life but the $10k-15k "market adjustment" on top of sticker the local dealers are charging is just ridiculous. Great to see Ford getting serious about electrification. I feel like they really missed an opportunity though in just electrifying the Transit Connect. That would have been a much easier place to start.
"Yes, but our dealer handling fee is only $999, and we can get financing for anyone, even YOU".
This is a quick adaptation of an ICE model to BEV. It could certainly have more battery, but that would require a pack specific to the Transit; instead, it is using a Mach E pack. It even has the standard-capacity Mach E battery (rather than the higher-capacity battery available in the Mach E) because the higher-capacity Mach E pack places extra module in upper layer, which would make the pack too tall to fit under the Transit frame.
@@brianb-p6586 it would be pretty easy for ford to create a specific pack for this vehicle using any of the existing battery packs since they are all modular. Oh well, maybe next gen.
@@mikereliford55 Yes, the next generation will presumably be far more optimal.
@mikereliford55 every pound of battery is a pound less of payload as well. Gvwr is likely a big sticking point since an extra hundred pounds can be the difference between needing a special license to drive the thing or not.
You have to be able to upgrade or change the battery ! The radius of 80 miles is not bad , but could be better. Many drivers exceed 1000 miles/week. At this point I am the supporter of the hybrid. Electrical inside a city and diesel outside, for vans !
This is a solution for a certain type of driver/business.
i drove it on may 5 -2023 in the mountains in Switzerland , no motorway and achieved around 20kw per 100km giving a range of aprox 330km which i find pretty ok for such a vehicle. Comfort is great. Explanation given here is very good.
That's pretty good consumption figures. We guess lots of mountains makes re-gen great!
The European version has a 4 door cab as an option. Why not the United States?
Why didn't they make a frunk (front trunk) for charging cables, there is room, and it does not have to be 100% weather proof....
Very cool video. Looking forward to the video on the e-Transit Custom
let the man talk!
I'm glad I found this video it's most informative can't wait to get one.
Glad you enjoyed it!
The van would be great if they increased the battery size and the charge as well. The range is so small it is not practical for most people. 250 mile range is the minimum
Depends on use case. For deliveries this should be more than enough given average daily routes.
Fantastic review, can't wait till they come to Australia!!
Thanks for watching, we hope you found it interesting.
Awesome explanation of this truck. That rear casting is incredible. Most informative video of the E-Transit so far. I want one for vanlife.
Thanks so much for saying (and watching). There are a lot of neat features in this van
Rethink that my friend. 120 mile range!
@@kartuneman I achieved 330km with one load, if you are not in the rat race it can work out and I'm currently transforming it to a camper.
No room underneath for grey or black tanks will be a problem for conversions? Maybe behind the rear axle there is space.
The cameraperson could concentrate on the object discussed the persons and their faces are not important at least for me. Good you didn't have backkground music blaring...
Yes, front wheel drive could be a disaster, the battery is heavy and the carry load makes it more rear heavy. The front wheel Transit we have in europe is lousy during winter.
What about the AC , it’s a Heat Pump used??
Nice video. Please don’t talk over guest.
This is awesome! Now if Ford would only focus on making enough batteries their EVS that would put Ford back on top. Ford please don't waste your time and money telling us what you can do in the near future just be more like Tesla do it and we'll buy it. If you make it better and make it cheaper you don't need to advertise👍
The heaviest duty independent suspension I've seen is on the military 7 ton truck.
Front or rear independent suspension? That's the distinction made here.
Need to see an electric-hybrid-generator version with LFP battery. Should be at least 800v, heat pump and competitive fast charging. Eyes off hands off driving assist, would be amazing.
That would be neat
Great information. When is this type of chassis cab version going to be available for fleets like supermarket delivery vehicles?
My company just upgraded me from a 2016 Transit 150 to an E Transit. The van is great with many cool features. I just wanted to know if the E Transit has an option for power seats as my elbows can no longer rest on the arm rests? In my older Transit I was able to lower the height.
After Collision Is there a Pyro Fuse to replace to wake the E-Transit up so you can drive again?
Ok so what is the payload on that once a body is on
Is that the chassis to use for like Camper build? I'm liking the idea to swap an older transit chassis with this.
The front could take a small Frunk too. For tools and cable.
Great Ford guy that knows his business 👍
esprinter has 113 kwh, 400 km wltp
@@nameberry220 the new one that comes this year, yes. Must be a expensive one. Proper pack size though.
Hello, what's the real world range with a 2,5 ton trailer behind it?
I have a question about the pro power on-board system. Is it a 2 times 20 amp breaker? Is the inverter directly connected to the main high voltage battery or to the small 12V battery ? Can you turn them manually back on if the system switched it off after 40 miles?
The main battery of course, the 12V wouldn't be able to put out 2000w for very long and its 2x20.
"A very short package and a very big load"
Don't mind me, I'm a child LMAO
LOL
I want the shorter Wheelbase version they show in the video - is that going to be available to order here in the US?
Also, i want the 3-across seating. Is that available in the US?
The available versions are shown on the Ford website. The cargo van is available in all of the Transit sizes, and only one length of cutaway or chassis-cab is offered.
looking for stiffer rear springs for my 2022 e transit it sag's bad on my e transit now that I have it stocked with my tools
How much weight do you have in it? Stiffer ones should be available aftermarket.
Someone needs to cover the roof with solar panels to charge the thing during deliveries.
3 miles per day ? maybe 5 in California :D
The E-Transit rear suspension is suitable for the load, but not even remotely close to the highest-capacity IRS in production. Yes, the HMMWV (Humvee, Hummer H1) has a slightly higher GAWR, but anything with Oshkosh's TAK-4 is much higher. TAK-4 is primarily used on military vehicles (trucks much heavier than a HMMWV), but is also available for the front and the rear of Pierce fire engines. The lowest-capacity TAK-4 variant has more than double the capacity of the E-Transit rear suspension. There are also IRS Tatra trucks and armoured personnel carriers with all-independent suspension, both again with far higher capacity.
The range still worries me. I’d say 250km fully loaded with tools etc. That would give me range anxiety most of the time .
That's completely understandable, especially if you're frequently covering long distances each day. Ford admits that the E-Transit won't suit every van owner/user, but there are many that it will. ^Dave
Unfortunately this shows the disadvantage of a BEV. You could double the range by adding another 1000 lbs of batteries but than that would cost you a 1000 lbs of payload.
Why would that be. There are Chargers. Just re-think journeys.
@@RedBatteryHead I don’t have time for charging when I go from job to job during the day.
@@Mrblobbster that's were you will need to rethink. Plug in on coffee or lunch break. Or at your appointment.
It's really not to much of a thing as one thinks.
Awesome video, any way I can send an email to your channel? I have some detailed eTransit questions and was wondering if you can point me in the right direction!? Thanks so much!
mmm sounds all soso , but to use as a camper, where you put the water tanks, diesel heater tanks, extra batteries, also don't see a spare wheel either? etc etc. all the space is taken up with batteries, do like the independent back end. so wonder how many times you have to recharge going round Australia? and where you recharge them?
A battery-electric vehicle is not suitable for a camper at this point.
What happens if the motor needs repair under the chassis?! With the body bolted on top, how do you access it?
It should be accessible from below.
Can't get a lift gate for E-350?
Nice Van, but what a loss of space under the hood. They can make a nice front trunk there
Maybe in the next generation!
Seems like lots of wasted space in the chassis & front under the bonnet, a skateboard layout with FWD like Arrival may be better? I wouldn't want to climb up day in day out that high off the ground, also I suppose you cant get twin wheels with the independent suspension?
It is an adaptation of an existing model, so it is not optimized for the battery-electric powertrain.
No, dual rear wheels are not available with that suspension, but they're not needed anyway with the allowed gross weight and payload of the vehicle. A heavier vehicle would call for a larger motor and battery.
No wonder it doesn't have much range, all that metal to support the battery instead of integrating it as part of the structure saving a couple hundred kilos and being able to make the actual pack bigger at the same time. The other perplexing thing is that he says that heavy regen isn't the most efficient way to drive yet it doesn't have a free wheel option when you take your foot off the brake? I will be interested to see how it fairs in the market against vans that design from the ground up for battery power...
This is an adaptation of the existing Transit, so the design is certainly not optimal for the battery.
The next generation, which will be less of an adaptation as this one is, should have a lot of improvements.
WHY can I NOT charge mine with a type 3 charger?
Is ford UK offering etransit passenger?
I would like to ask the same question. Seems difficult to find an answer at the moment.
too bad only have long wheelbase for e-transit chassis cab and cutaway cab in the US. I want 138 or 148 wheebase.
The next generation should be even better.
I want one
Been to see one yet?
@@completevan7567 still no yet
Sheet metal frame?
Like other commercial vans and chassis-cabs, this is a unibody vehicle - it does not have a separate frame and cab.
Hard to believe it only has 75 miles of range?????
If you're not sure on specs,then put them up on-screen...@7.10 he says "76mAh"x196cells (which is = 62Wh with cells at 4.2v)! I think he doesn't know much about tech specs...even if they were 76Ah cells it's only 62kWh... not adding up.🤔
The errors are in the number of cells and their individual capacity. This is the Mach-E standard battery, which is a 96S 3P configuration (96 groups connected in series of three parallel cells in each group), not 96S 2P, so it has 288 cells (not 192). Also, they are 71 Ah cells, not 76 Ah. the resulting energy capacity (using the nominal voltage, not the peak charging voltage) is 76 kWh, with Ford choosing to use 68 kWh of that.
The cell count error presumably results from thinking it was 2P instead of 3P.
The cell capacity error may result from remembering the "76" from the 76 kWh nominal capacity, and thinking that was the cell capacity (which is actually about 71 Ah).
A hybrid would have made more sense
Ford does produce a hybrid
Don't forgot to mention is only 130 miles
Which is fine for certain purposes, such as delivery vehicles.
Transit is soo big, put an on board diesel generator to keep the power coming!! Hybrid is the answer!!!
No mention of battery future proofing. What happens when Ford develops a more powerful battery. Will it retrofit to this model or will they by then have developed a brand new chasis design rather than this I.C.E. van that's been electrified. Sounds terribly like typical corporate thinking & the way they invest. I think this van is a fine van "but" I do think it has been "rushed" & is a basic entry level attempt to enter the ev market. Seeing all that add on stuff just to get the battery to fit a I.C.E. chasis makes one wonder! Still, it's early days in the ev evolution. Just the beginning really. I'm sure Ford have learnt some valuable lessons here. Now, what we need is a new chassis design with a longer range battery & they will have a winner!
Too bad you can't even buy one I've tried
This vehicle is a joke. Plenty of room for more battery. The area under the hood is an inefficient mess. They basically took a Transit van shell, and threw stuff in without any logical order or consideration of design or material costs. If they did some earnest basic design, and used some purpose built materials, this would have been a GREAT van. Instead, they chose to do half ass job piecemeal these parts together like a amateur science project. They would’ve had a head start on the other companies, but laziness took hold of these people. What a shame!
I think the problem is they are mid product-cycle. I bet the next all-new transit will be built primarily for EV and secondarily for ICE powetrain. but I agree. it's a shitshow! I looked at one in person today. despite having the independent rear suspension they still installed the brackets for the leaf springs the ice version has! silly.
There is not enough room for a larger battery off the Ford parts shelf. While the design is far from optimal as a BEV, it is a good job of making a BEV from components (especially the battery) which are already in production for Ford... which were designed for and used in the Mach-E.
What a lot of waffle, what's the range?
Hard to believe Ford doesn’t have a Team of MIT graduates that could design something with more range and load capacity, In tbe USA any Plumbing Service Contractor is going to need minimum 400-500 miles to a charge!! 75 is a joke, maybe for a small remote village in Italy but no real Contractor will be happy with the 75 miles of range, Ford is saying this range with no weight
So half tonne of battery so it will carry what 900 kg and only do how many miles please give me diesel until it can do 300 miles on one charge it jus a expensive vanity van
RANGE SUCKS! DO BETTER!
esprinter 113 kwh
Sir I think your van is actually incomplete
LOL
68 kWh is too small, new esprinter has 113 kWh.
We expect the next generation to be better. This setup is a modification of the existing version.
68 kwh is acceptable, old esprinter was not.
I dont see EVs being sustainable having to replace the expensive battery 10-15 years times millions of vehicles. How will they find enough lithium and power stations to charge all these? Wait until they force everyone into these and the cost of electricity goes sky high
Even after 15 years, the battery will not be worthless, it could be repurposed as PV storage.
Batteries can be recycled up to 96%, diesel fuel can't.
omg, did your apprentice run the camera, so good content so irritating filming, the constant angle changes, back and forth left and right give me a break!!!
Jeez, sorry!
This people run their mouth so bad they didnt even said nothing about the range loaded or empty by different load just what ever it have and comfort, it wont be comfort if you run out of energy in the middle of no where..
You interrupt with too many yeh yeh yeh yeh yeh yeh yeh yeh yehs. NOT SUBSCRIBING.. DISLIKE.
Thanks for watching! : )