You are doing an EXCELLENT job: Aviation History 100%. Not many historians present these facts in the way you do it, from the cockpit and outside views. Thanks and keep the good work ¡¡¡¡¡
Thanks one more time. There's a reason why not many do it this way. It is very demanding production wise. Takes a long time to record the track from several angles, edit the video etc. Replay itself is a mess in DCS, it often breaks. Most will just choose some general dogfight (you can upload three such videos a day, literally). GR do 'reenactments' but they just try it once and whatever happens, happens. They don't even bother to choose a proper skin, they probably just select default skins. So, they had for example an East German MiG-19 attacking USS Liberty. :)
Nice! This was quite an action. The first MIG’s attack on the SU reminded me another video on this channel when Syrian (?) MIG-19 chased an Israeli and messed the attack right the same way. Eastern hot blood + crosshairs mark on a careless enemy’s six = aiming amnesia.
You are probably thinking about that video with Egyptian MiG-19s intercepting Israeli paratroopers. Well, it's much harder to hit than it seems :) In this case, the pilot was possibly startled because flak hit is airplane.
Great video, as always! I assumed you said "MiG fired Sidewinder" by mistake, but I see you already adressed that in another commentary. Cool, didn't know they were "bi-curious". 😁 You live and learn, I guess. And that Sukhoi looks interesting, too!
Thanks once again for the comment! Pakistan is quite unique that way, combining Eastern and Western equipment. I didn't know about the Sidewinders until recently. Su-7 is a mod. Unfortunately, it doesn't work well in the new 2.7 version so I reverted to the older stable version for this video.
@@showtime112 Despite being an Indian myself. I never new that the IAF had MiG 19s . I thought they directly went to MiG 21 s. Where did u got this info???
So glad i stumbled upon your vids...almost by chance but still. I have a weak spot for MiGs and there are plenty of them here! How come you have just 4k subs? Algorithmic injustice! BTW of course i subbed! Keep up the good work! 👍🏻
you know what's the craziest thing I think about these videos? what weapons are being used as AA.... Pakistan was supplied by America during this time so did they use bofors 40mm or m163?
the Pak pilot.. was however court marshalled for taking off on his own initiative when the base was under air attack ....at an Indian airfield .in a similar situation an Indian Gnat pilot took off ...chased PaF Sabres which had attacked and were exiting... got shot down by top cover of sabres and was awarded highest Indian gallantry award
It was the local Pakistani modification. It was probably not extremely complicated since those K-13s were direct copies of early Sidewinders. Some say you could exchange parts between them with no problem :)
Yes, PAF integrated US missiles on Chinese jets. And the most interesting part of the story is that this whole activity was done under the direct supervision of no other than legendary US pilot Chuck Yeager who was stationed in Pakistan as a US defense attaché.
@@showtime112 I suppose so, in fact, our air force (back in time) seems to be more satisfied with their MiG-15 Bis, MiG-17F and MiG-21PF performance to deal with Dutch Hawker Hunter on West Papua conflict in 1962-63
@@showtime112 America and NATO saw the seriousness and strength of the Indonesian armed forces at this time so that JFK "forced" the Dutch to hand over West Papua to Indonesia through the negotiating table because America believed the Dutch would not be able to win if there was a real confrontation with Indonesia.
@@showtime112 You can look up the history of Dutch colonialism in Indonesia. After Indonesia's independence in 1945 the Dutch refused to hand over West Papua to the Indonesian government. Years of diplomacy yielded nothing until finally in the late 1950s the Indonesian government ran out of patience and launched a military campaign to reclaim West Papua.
Yeah, they had them in stock from American supply. And since R-13 was essentially a copy of early Sidewinders, it probably wasn't too hard to adapt them.
Veoma zanimljiv video! Ovo je P varijanta ako se ne varam... Interensantno mi je navođenje raketa na ovim starim radarima, još kad počne da pišti onako...
Čim sam počeo čitati opis događaja, odmah je bilo jasno da se može napraviti video po tome. Da, ovo je P varijanta. Pištanje zapravo dolai od infra-crvene glave i u stvarnosti u ovom slučaju pilot ga nije ni čuo jer je kao bilo spojeno kroz lijevu raketu koju je izbio pogodak flaka. Ali to nisam mogao nikako izvesti ovdje.
Proud of our Pakistan Air force.flt/lt Javed Lateef, literally tasted dust just minutes before second attack in early attack iaf su7direct fired rockets on Lateef F6, Javed Lateef jumped down for safety fortunately rockets fell short Lateef was angry infuriated Javed Lateef hearing air raid siren jumped in cock pit as his own initiative without clearance from ATC it become fruitful to him as he shoot down one of su7 so nobody questioned him as his dignity restored.
Bruuh u serious? India is focusing to counter china india stopped taking Pakistan as Major treat most of india's best assets are deployed in border area with china
@@mohammadmehmood1101 your daddy could not take Galwan or laddakh just as you can't take kashmir so stop being delusional on madarssa propaganda. hindu hatred leads to khwaab mein chichde....lekin khwaab khwaab hi rehte hain .
Why all Pakistani fighter pilots of this era just Rambo dump all their gun ammunition in one go? Short controlled burst would give them at least three gun runs...
Perhaps it was short bursts, the sources don't give that much details except that he spent all of his ammo and the Su-7 kept flying with some minimal damage. It took me several attempts to do this because I would either shoot it down, or miss by too much. Or perhaps it was just excitement.
During the same time the Bangladesh liberation war was going on, which basically caused the 1971 Indo-Pak war, I would appreciate a video on Operation "Kilo Flight", where brilliant engineers and pilots modified a DHC-3 Otter to be a Bomber, they also used the DC-3 Dakota and an Allouette III helicopter with machine guns and rocket pods, Pleaseeee🙏
Hi, Showtime 12, do you have accurate figures of fighter planes lost by both countries in air bottles on the the western front' I.e. West Pakistan and India?
@@watchshop440 There might be truly independent reports but I can't find them. Even when say a British author writes about Indo-Pak wars, he always seems to draw from a local source. Either authors outside of the two nations involved are not interested enough, or they can't get a proper access to archives and resources from both sides.
I know this is an older video but does that Su-7 mid still work in 2.7? I think I'd be a great addition to some of my Vietnam Missions that I make for my self.
The Su-7 mod functions in 2.7 but the textures somehow got mixed up so it looks kinda transparent and cartoony. It's alright as long as you don't close up too much.
funny thing is mig-19 was clapped by mig-21 dunno which video cant remember but the mig 21 won which is fughing impressive comparing that the 19 is better
Currently, there are not enough assets in DCS or War Thunder for something like that. There's another game which focuses on that aspect of the 1971 War but I think it needs some more work.
f6 donot have eurpeon avionics. its f7 that is equipped with italian avionics italian grifo 7 radar and martin baker zero zero ejection seat and french mica air to air missile
the mikoyan mig-19-fresco the the mikoyan mig-19-fresco the first supersonic fighter of the soviet air force. with 3-30mm cannons and two air-air missilez aa-2 attoll. the
Which 3? There was Flt Nachiketa's mig 27 and SQL Ajay Ahuja's mig 21. MI 17 during the attack on Tiger Hill is the hepter that was lost. Which 3rd fighter are you talking about?
@@mohammadmehmood1101 LOL chinese did to save themselves, deep in India territory of Assam with supplies cut off by himalayas, they had to retreat! As for withdrawal, 1971 withdrawal at Dhaka is stuff of legends! 🤣🤣
Extremely beautiful. I loved this aircraft since i was a child especially its high sweep, and wondered how did it ever fly? Lolz. We call it F-6 in PAF. Love your videos. Also do some videos on the 1965 air war too.
Thanks for the comment! I would like to cover the 1965. War too but currently, no aircraft flown by India are available in DCS. As soon as some of them appear, I will work on it.
In this case, not necessarily. Su-7 tactics was to stay low and fast. It really wasn't maneuverable so it was supposed to hit the target and quickly get away hoping that no interceptor responds quickly enough. It didn't always work.
... svaka čast na do sada urađenom . jesi razmišljao o temi Iračko Iranskog sukoba ? ... tribalo bi tu bit zanimljivih okršaja . Američki aparati u Iranskim rukama kontra Ruske skalamerije u Iračkim rukama . Postoje li na netu i inače nekakvi koliko toliko neovisni i objektivni izvori informacija po tome pitanju ?
Hvala na komentaru. Što se tiče rata Irana i Iraka, napravio sam par videa još u početku sa F-5. Ima puno toga zanimljivog što bi se dalo snimiti sa F-14 i F-4 i možda sa Mirageom F1 na iračkoj strani. F-4 još nemamo u DCS-u. Mirage se razvija a moja konfiguracija ima nekih problema sa F-14, ne vrti se baš sjajno tako da ga zasad nisam nabavio. Morat ću nabaviti neku bolju karticu vjerojatno. Najtolji izvor su u principu knjige Toma Coopera. Imam ih par komada u kojima piše o upotrebi F-4 i F-14 i općenito o stanju Iranskog zrakoplovstva za vrijeme rata.
In 1971 Pakistan surrender to INDIAN ARMY with thier 90000 Soldiers.. and IAF was destroyed thier very secure and powerful Airbase.. so make video on that topic..
Not 90000 these were 26000 only and only watch interview of your own military officer General Jaccab on utube. 90000 was only and only indian propaganda. And no country can defend such a large area with such a small no of army with fighting against 3 countries, India, USSR and BD.
Is there enough information available about the Indian MiG-21 that shot down a Pakistani F-16 a few years ago, to make a segment about that incident? (If it indeed took place...)
There is no such history or detail you find about indian mig21 destroy Pakistani F16. This incident was happened on 27 feb known as surprise day in which 2 indian aircrafts mig21 and su30 were destroyed by Pakistan airforce and indian pilot abhinandan was captured alive, but no Pakistani aircraft was destroyed by indian airforce, if you think then you are mistaken bro
Of course! Su-7 strength is flying straight and low. Maneuvering would lose speed and energy and make it easier for the pursuing fighter to catch up. Pakistani pilot was only able to reach them because he wasn't thinking.
@@kaustubhmhatre837 You are assuming that the Su-7 pilot immediately knew he was being fired upon. He was flying extremely low and extremely fast. Turning your head back a lot under such circumstances might easily result in hitting the ground. He could have been flying supersonic which means he couldn't hear the gunfire. He couldn't see the traces either because they were all passing under him.
Sabre was still very numerous and important in 1971. They had 139 of them. There were also 90 MiG-19s, 23 Mirage IIIs and only 8 F-104s (although some more came from Jordan before the war ended).
@Sayak Ray the 2nd pilot is still in pak custody pakistan played tactics here 1given back to India and other will be used in future if Pakistan need to knee down indian on any occasion. Well let me tell you other pilot was Sikh, not Isreali as many pakistani think he was Isreali. Thanks me later. 👍😁
@Sayak Ray you can't even shoot down F16 in dreams . Don't fool yourself world know and even IAF knows the blunder they are doing while doing propaganda for F16 to balance it with Mig and sukhoi 30. The slap given by PAF will be felt for decades.
You can win some battles on the tactical level but lose the war. Pakistan lost in the East where they were heavily outnumbered and the people mostly turned against them.
Anjum Asif...pakistan lives in a dreamworld of its own where all pakistanis are legends . They are in a different league altogether. The world calls this state as being delusional.
Why does this channel tend to focus too much on the Pakistani side of things?, it has to be balanced with videos on Indian air victories during the conflicts with Pakistan too to have an unbiased view of things from a purely air combat perspective.
This channel covered Indo-Pak conflicts in five videos. In two of them Indian MiG-21s shoot down Pakistani Starfighters. In one Pakistani F-86 shoots down an Indian MiG-21. In one, a Pakistani MiG-19 shoots down an Indian Su-7 and finally in one an inexperienced Pakistani MiG-19 pilot chases Indian Sukhois without orders, forgets to set his sight, misses and barely returns to his base on fumes. By what standards is that 'focusing too much on Pakistani side'?!? Have you even seen all of these videos? A very important factor in selecting a topic is availability of assets in DCS World. For example, nothing from the 1965. conflict has yet been covered because none of the aircraft flown by India are available. We basically have MiG-21, MiG-19 and Sabre from that period that are high-fidelity modules plus F-104 as a simple mod. There was some talk about Hunter being developed which would open lots of possibilities. If you can recommend a good historic source from the Indian side, feel free to do so.
@@showtime112 ok, I posted this comment before watching those other Indian air victories. This was in fact the first video that I watched on your channel so I commented too swiftly, sorry!
it's a shame that the simulator doesn't have exact versions of the planes. Pakistan had a Chinese copy of the Mig-19S with 30mm cannons, but the ability to carry short-range missiles. Original soviet "S" cant carry missiles! Your plane is a Mig-19P with the "nose" IMZUMRUD radar.
Any simulation with every single variant, sub-variant and modification would literally take a century to produce. And no hard disk would be big enough for i either.. So, we use what we have.
Try not to be superficial with comments such as this one. Check the playlist 'Indo-Pak Wars' on the channel and then count how many of those are pro-Paksitani.
Yes, they bought Chinese versions between the '65 and '71 war. USA imposed weapons embargo on them so they tried to diversify their sources. And China even supplied some 40 or so pieces free of charge.
No..they didn't copy Israeli 1967 attack on Egypt. It was actually Israel that copied PAF attach which PAF did on Sep 1965 against India and in particular, Patancote where they destroyed well over 14 MiG 21s. At the end of the war..India said that most of the aircrafts were destroyed on the ground giving Pakistan the edge. Israel then copied PAF 1965 attack. Pakistan attempted a replay in Dec 1971, but it was not successful as India had SAMs.
@@showtime112 I agree with you but you can understand my point of view if you look at comments and excitement of indians where they see pakistani jet going down. They become very silent if things are otherwise
Proud of our Indian Air force.
Also, credit to you for providing the detailed information. Those sirens in the beginning was amazing.
Thanks for commenting! Nothing like ambiant sounds to feel immersed.
Playing that Air Raid Siren was brilliant. Good job
Thanks! I try to add such details to improve the immersion.
@@showtime112 I'm immersed!!
You are doing an EXCELLENT job: Aviation History 100%. Not many historians present these facts in the way you do it, from the cockpit and outside views. Thanks and keep the good work ¡¡¡¡¡
Thanks one more time. There's a reason why not many do it this way. It is very demanding production wise. Takes a long time to record the track from several angles, edit the video etc. Replay itself is a mess in DCS, it often breaks. Most will just choose some general dogfight (you can upload three such videos a day, literally). GR do 'reenactments' but they just try it once and whatever happens, happens. They don't even bother to choose a proper skin, they probably just select default skins. So, they had for example an East German MiG-19 attacking USS Liberty. :)
Another good one! Cool skin for the Mig-19.
I think so too!
What a great video both India and Pakistan had some great aircraft I especially like the MiG 19/J6
Thanks! I became more interested in MiG-19 when I started playing it in DCS.
There's something very appealing about the MiG-19. I'm impressed the AA-2 acquired at such low altitude.
These are actually Sidewinders. Pakistanis adapted them for the MiG-19. And the airplane is kinda cool when you learn a bit more about it.
Nice! This was quite an action. The first MIG’s attack on the SU reminded me another video on this channel when Syrian (?) MIG-19 chased an Israeli and messed the attack right the same way. Eastern hot blood + crosshairs mark on a careless enemy’s six = aiming amnesia.
You are probably thinking about that video with Egyptian MiG-19s intercepting Israeli paratroopers. Well, it's much harder to hit than it seems :) In this case, the pilot was possibly startled because flak hit is airplane.
Good research and stories to back up the good videos. That's why I'm a subscriber here.
Thank you very much. I hope you like future videos as well!
Su-7 was never good for dogfight. It was used as a bomber.
Mostly Bomber and Ground Attack roles.
@@barshankarmakar4342 yes you are right
Damn it.. I missed that one. 🤦♂️Great Historical Video Content as always. 👍👍👍
Missing isn't always bad. When you finally discover what you missed, you have yet to enjoy it 😄
Great video, as always! I assumed you said "MiG fired Sidewinder" by mistake, but I see you already adressed that in another commentary. Cool, didn't know they were "bi-curious". 😁 You live and learn, I guess.
And that Sukhoi looks interesting, too!
Thanks once again for the comment! Pakistan is quite unique that way, combining Eastern and Western equipment. I didn't know about the Sidewinders until recently.
Su-7 is a mod. Unfortunately, it doesn't work well in the new 2.7 version so I reverted to the older stable version for this video.
To add, the late Chuck Yeager was an advisor to the PAF in the early 70s and apparently observed the PAF technicians wiring their J-6s with 'Winders.
@@rahmatshazi883 Thanks for contributing that information!
@@showtime112 no worries, it was in his autobiography.
@@showtime112 Despite being an Indian myself. I never new that the IAF had MiG 19s . I thought they directly went to MiG 21 s. Where did u got this info???
So glad i stumbled upon your vids...almost by chance but still. I have a weak spot for MiGs and there are plenty of them here! How come you have just 4k subs? Algorithmic injustice! BTW of course i subbed! Keep up the good work! 👍🏻
Thanks for the comment. Well, the number of subs is not too high but it's growing all the time :) Keep watching!
you know what's the craziest thing I think about these videos? what weapons are being used as AA.... Pakistan was supplied by America during this time so did they use bofors 40mm or m163?
the Pak pilot.. was however court marshalled for taking off on his own initiative when the base was under air attack ....at an Indian airfield .in a similar situation an Indian Gnat pilot took off ...chased PaF Sabres which had attacked and were exiting... got shot down by top cover of sabres and was awarded highest Indian gallantry award
Cool! Never knew the MiG-19/Shenyang J-6 had Sidewinder-compatible hardpoints. Did the Pakistani implement the modification, or the Chinese?
It was the local Pakistani modification. It was probably not extremely complicated since those K-13s were direct copies of early Sidewinders. Some say you could exchange parts between them with no problem :)
Yes, PAF integrated US missiles on Chinese jets. And the most interesting part of the story is that this whole activity was done under the direct supervision of no other than legendary US pilot Chuck Yeager who was stationed in Pakistan as a US defense attaché.
Pakistan made more than 100 modifications in F7s(Mig 21s)
Pakistan added confrontal tanks called "Gondola" tanks under the fuselage, to enhance the air interception time
Of jets, the MiG-19, MiG-23, F-104 and F-16 are my favorites. The MiG-19 is a surprise because it doesn't look like it can fight anything.
The west calls it "farmer" but it was the first mig that could go super Sonic long before the nimble mig21
Its F-6 in PAF
Pakistan also got second-hand MiG-19 from Indonesia (Indonesian Air Force) in mid 60s because IAF not satisfied with MiG-19 performance
It seems that MiG-19 was either loved or hated :)
@@showtime112 I suppose so, in fact, our air force (back in time) seems to be more satisfied with their MiG-15 Bis, MiG-17F and MiG-21PF performance to deal with Dutch Hawker Hunter on West Papua conflict in 1962-63
@@andrihariadi8599 I'm not very familiar with that conflict. Do you have any sources (web or books) that describe it? Especially the air war.
@@showtime112 America and NATO saw the seriousness and strength of the Indonesian armed forces at this time so that JFK "forced" the Dutch to hand over West Papua to Indonesia through the negotiating table because America believed the Dutch would not be able to win if there was a real confrontation with Indonesia.
@@showtime112 You can look up the history of Dutch colonialism in Indonesia. After Indonesia's independence in 1945 the Dutch refused to hand over West Papua to the Indonesian government. Years of diplomacy yielded nothing until finally in the late 1950s the Indonesian government ran out of patience and launched a military campaign to reclaim West Papua.
Very good quality depiction with accurate and interesting details of the combat.
Looking forward to more of the air action during the 71 war.
Thanks for your comment. I will sure try to do some more videos from this conflict! Keep watching.
Thanks a lot for ur efforts i n upraising unsung heroes of pakistan air force
Well, I'm glad you appreciate it!
Didn't know MiG-19 could carry Sidewinder.
Yeah, they had them in stock from American supply. And since R-13 was essentially a copy of early Sidewinders, it probably wasn't too hard to adapt them.
@noor mobashir sami A unique combination indeed. Comes from operating equipment of various origin.
your videos are very KOOL!! Thanks!
Thank you for watching and commenting!
Veoma zanimljiv video! Ovo je P varijanta ako se ne varam... Interensantno mi je navođenje raketa na ovim starim radarima, još kad počne da pišti onako...
Čim sam počeo čitati opis događaja, odmah je bilo jasno da se može napraviti video po tome.
Da, ovo je P varijanta. Pištanje zapravo dolai od infra-crvene glave i u stvarnosti u ovom slučaju pilot ga nije ni čuo jer je kao bilo spojeno kroz lijevu raketu koju je izbio pogodak flaka. Ali to nisam mogao nikako izvesti ovdje.
Like always, amazing work. Should do one on Flying Officer Nirmal Jit Singh Sekhon
Thank you very much for your comment. Was he a Gnat pilot? Unfortunately, we don't have Gnats in DCS.
@@showtime112 Oh yes, the gnat pilot , that's sad to hear they don't have gnats, but glad to hear from you..cheers and thank you.
Yes
Good information and narrations
Thanks!
The 41k legends who watched this video🤌
on december,4,1971, the pakistani air force against in eastern pakistan mig-19 with 3-30mm.
Bro Please make a video on Operation cactus Lily. 1971 war
Excellent video
Thanks for commenting!
Really appreciate it bro, can you make a history recreation on operation kilo flight ..?..love from bangladesh 💙💙
Thank you for the comment. As for your suggestion, unfortunately the aircraft involved in it are not available in DCS World..
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Superb
Thank you for your comment!
Nice Graphics Faisalabad base is by train tracks can see track too
Thanks for the comment!
Hey dude, I heard the Pakistani air force was using the Shenyang F6, I licensed copy of the mig 19, is it true???
Yes, they approached China which donated a certain number and Pakistanis bought the same quantity for a favorable price.
@@showtime112 Yes yes, they recently received a plane called as JF 17 from the Chinese
@@sohamchoughule5314 recently? It’s jointly developed since 1990s, and to this date jf17 has just 1 production line n thats in Pakistan only.
Nice.. have you apply MSAA graphic options ? It seems like much better than before I guess
Actually, no. In fact, I used the older 2.5 version of DCS because the Su-7 mod didn't work well under 2.7. It doesn't seem better to me :)
another for paf f104 video
we need some kills by the f104
the most legendary sukhoi 7 downed by f104 during air raid over amritsar
I'll investigate into that and see if a video can be made.
Proud of our Pakistan Air force.flt/lt Javed Lateef, literally tasted dust just minutes before second attack in early attack iaf su7direct fired rockets on Lateef F6, Javed Lateef jumped down for safety fortunately rockets fell short Lateef was angry infuriated Javed Lateef hearing air raid siren jumped in cock pit as his own initiative without clearance from ATC it become fruitful to him as he shoot down one of su7 so nobody questioned him as his dignity restored.
Thank you for providing info!
Good one
Thank you! Cheers!
who has the edge currently,according to you,indian or pakistani airforce(including airdefence capabilities)
It's hard to say. To be honest, I know more about the situation from 1971. than the current one :)
Bruuh u serious? India is focusing to counter china india stopped taking Pakistan as Major treat most of india's best assets are deployed in border area with china
Excellent, i like the shark mouth too 😊
Thank you for the positive comment!
Defending home base which one?
West one east one!!
Ohh east one gone 🤣
Oh big area of gulwan/ladakh gone 🤣🤣 brave india 😭😭
@@mohammadmehmood1101 your daddy could not take Galwan or laddakh just as you can't take kashmir so stop being delusional on madarssa propaganda. hindu hatred leads to khwaab mein chichde....lekin khwaab khwaab hi rehte hain .
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Thank you very much!
Very nice
Thank you very much for your comment!
Why all Pakistani fighter pilots of this era just Rambo dump all their gun ammunition in one go? Short controlled burst would give them at least three gun runs...
Perhaps it was short bursts, the sources don't give that much details except that he spent all of his ammo and the Su-7 kept flying with some minimal damage. It took me several attempts to do this because I would either shoot it down, or miss by too much.
Or perhaps it was just excitement.
@@showtime112 but got to give it Su7, it's one lucky type, they just keep coming off clean from these indopakistani encounters...
During the same time the Bangladesh liberation war was going on, which basically caused the 1971 Indo-Pak war, I would appreciate a video on Operation "Kilo Flight", where brilliant engineers and pilots modified a DHC-3 Otter to be a Bomber, they also used the DC-3 Dakota and an Allouette III helicopter with machine guns and rocket pods, Pleaseeee🙏
That's Mig -19 Variant ... It's F-6
J-6, F-6..... irrelevant. That's MiG-19 and what the Chinese call them is not so important.
Hi, Showtime 12, do you have accurate figures of fighter planes lost by both countries in air bottles on the the western front' I.e. West Pakistan and India?
I'm not sure how accurate they are because two sides seem to agree upon very little.
@@showtime112 , but you can still give figures based on independent reports.
@@watchshop440 There might be truly independent reports but I can't find them. Even when say a British author writes about Indo-Pak wars, he always seems to draw from a local source. Either authors outside of the two nations involved are not interested enough, or they can't get a proper access to archives and resources from both sides.
Pakistan always hides its figures and often sneaked in planes from friendly Islamic nations to cover up its wartime attrition.
I know this is an older video but does that Su-7 mid still work in 2.7? I think I'd be a great addition to some of my Vietnam Missions that I make for my self.
The Su-7 mod functions in 2.7 but the textures somehow got mixed up so it looks kinda transparent and cartoony. It's alright as long as you don't close up too much.
funny thing is mig-19 was clapped by mig-21 dunno which video cant remember but the mig 21 won which is fughing impressive comparing that the 19 is better
They both have advantages and disadvantages. MiG-21 is generally speaking a more advanced design where they employed some lessons learned from the 19.
Uzbudljivo, super 😊
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Plz make video of Navy battles of confict of indo-pak 1971
Currently, there are not enough assets in DCS or War Thunder for something like that. There's another game which focuses on that aspect of the 1971 War but I think it needs some more work.
PAF acquired F-6 from China which were copy of MiG 19, and they had western avionics and weapon systems
I'm not sure about avionics but they did wire them to carry Sidewinders.
f6 donot have eurpeon avionics. its f7 that is equipped with italian avionics italian grifo 7 radar and martin baker zero zero ejection seat and french mica air to air missile
It's not Risalewala but Risalpur near Peshawar.
Kaiser Tufail says it was Risalewala. I used him as the main source.
the mikoyan mig-19-fresco the
the mikoyan mig-19-fresco the first supersonic fighter of the soviet air force. with 3-30mm cannons and two air-air missilez aa-2 attoll.
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Please make video on kargil war (1999). When india lost about 3 aircrafts and one helicopter
MIght do that someday, thanks for the suggestion.
😂😂😂 butt hurt
Which 3? There was Flt Nachiketa's mig 27 and SQL Ajay Ahuja's mig 21. MI 17 during the attack on Tiger Hill is the hepter that was lost. Which 3rd fighter are you talking about?
@@ravinitwind No hurt , but withdrawn due to international pressure, as China do in 1962 in arunachal paradesh 😭😭😭
@@mohammadmehmood1101 LOL chinese did to save themselves, deep in India territory of Assam with supplies cut off by himalayas, they had to retreat! As for withdrawal, 1971 withdrawal at Dhaka is stuff of legends! 🤣🤣
You need to lower the volume of the planes when you are giving the commentary
I think more recent videos are better mixed. Thanks for pointing that out.
Extremely beautiful. I loved this aircraft since i was a child especially its high sweep, and wondered how did it ever fly? Lolz. We call it F-6 in PAF. Love your videos. Also do some videos on the 1965 air war too.
Thanks for the comment! I would like to cover the 1965. War too but currently, no aircraft flown by India are available in DCS. As soon as some of them appear, I will work on it.
These are not MiG 19s, these are Chinese copy of MiG 19s, Shenyang J6s...... 😂
Those ARE MiG-19s, no one cares what the Chinese call them.
F-6
Seems like Pakistan airforce pilot are better trained.
In this case, not necessarily. Su-7 tactics was to stay low and fast. It really wasn't maneuverable so it was supposed to hit the target and quickly get away hoping that no interceptor responds quickly enough. It didn't always work.
Great contents. Pakistan Air Force have edge over the Indian air force.
Thanks for the comment!
What ?? 😂😂
Definitely an edge with the help of Americans 😂😂
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... svaka čast na do sada urađenom . jesi razmišljao o temi Iračko Iranskog sukoba ? ... tribalo bi tu bit zanimljivih okršaja . Američki aparati u Iranskim rukama kontra Ruske skalamerije u Iračkim rukama . Postoje li na netu i inače nekakvi koliko toliko neovisni i objektivni izvori informacija po tome pitanju ?
Hvala na komentaru. Što se tiče rata Irana i Iraka, napravio sam par videa još u početku sa F-5. Ima puno toga zanimljivog što bi se dalo snimiti sa F-14 i F-4 i možda sa Mirageom F1 na iračkoj strani. F-4 još nemamo u DCS-u. Mirage se razvija a moja konfiguracija ima nekih problema sa F-14, ne vrti se baš sjajno tako da ga zasad nisam nabavio. Morat ću nabaviti neku bolju karticu vjerojatno.
Najtolji izvor su u principu knjige Toma Coopera. Imam ih par komada u kojima piše o upotrebi F-4 i F-14 i općenito o stanju Iranskog zrakoplovstva za vrijeme rata.
In 1971 Pakistan surrender to INDIAN ARMY with thier 90000 Soldiers.. and IAF was destroyed thier very secure and powerful Airbase.. so make video on that topic..
Maybe someday.
Not 90000 these were 26000 only and only watch interview of your own military officer General Jaccab on utube. 90000 was only and only indian propaganda. And no country can defend such a large area with such a small no of army with fighting against 3 countries, India, USSR and BD.
Is there enough information available about the Indian MiG-21 that shot down a Pakistani F-16 a few years ago, to make a segment about that incident? (If it indeed took place...)
Nope, it is still considered as a hoax. IAF should have atleast released the details about the location and the missile used for the kill.
There is no such history or detail you find about indian mig21 destroy Pakistani F16. This incident was happened on 27 feb known as surprise day in which 2 indian aircrafts mig21 and su30 were destroyed by Pakistan airforce and indian pilot abhinandan was captured alive, but no Pakistani aircraft was destroyed by indian airforce, if you think then you are mistaken bro
@@hassanmirza1199 nope , no SU-30 was lost.
Go and search surprise day 27 feb 2019, you will came to know the whole story,
@@hassanmirza1199 There is no evidence that Su-30MKI was shot down. I don't trust stories written by either sides.
Realistic
..you gonna get me divorced... I suppose to be outside mowing the lawn...
You can't mow the lawn now. It's probably too hot. Your wife shouldn't make you do it if she cares about you :)
Thanks ..PAF never operated this variant …the ones PAF had were with hollow nose intake
This Pakistani habit of painting a gaping jaw with teeth in the front of the beautiful and streamlined mig19 ruins its appearance. That’s mutilation😮
They are all flying straight?
Of course! Su-7 strength is flying straight and low. Maneuvering would lose speed and energy and make it easier for the pursuing fighter to catch up. Pakistani pilot was only able to reach them because he wasn't thinking.
@@showtime112 Even when someone is firing at them?
@@kaustubhmhatre837 You are assuming that the Su-7 pilot immediately knew he was being fired upon. He was flying extremely low and extremely fast. Turning your head back a lot under such circumstances might easily result in hitting the ground. He could have been flying supersonic which means he couldn't hear the gunfire. He couldn't see the traces either because they were all passing under him.
Pilot Nirmal jeet sekhon video is wrong, he was fighting with six sabres with his nats and sabre came to attack the airport. Recheck
You seem to be talking about a completely different event.
PAF defeated IAF in 1965 The indians couldnt come out from basis
Hunters and Gnats more than 100 were destroyed
So if the saber was Pakistan's main fighter of 65. What was the 71 war? Mirage 3, star fighter, mig 19
Sabre was still very numerous and important in 1971. They had 139 of them. There were also 90 MiG-19s, 23 Mirage IIIs and only 8 F-104s (although some more came from Jordan before the war ended).
@@showtime112 would you do the 1965 shoot down of a iaf mystere by a paf f-104?
@@terrynewsome6698 Yes, that is an interesting topic. I have some grinding to do until I unlock F-104 in WT (which has both aircraft)
Can you create the latest dogfight of 2018 info Pak attack
Thank you for the suggestion. Actually, I have to do some research about this event. If it's possible regarding assets, I will certainly consider it.
@Sayak Ray the 2nd pilot is still in pak custody pakistan played tactics here 1given back to India and other will be used in future if Pakistan need to knee down indian on any occasion. Well let me tell you other pilot was Sikh, not Isreali as many pakistani think he was Isreali.
Thanks me later. 👍😁
@Sayak Ray you can't even shoot down F16 in dreams . Don't fool yourself world know and even IAF knows the blunder they are doing while doing propaganda for F16 to balance it with Mig and sukhoi 30. The slap given by PAF will be felt for decades.
@Sayak Ray 🤣🤣🤣 bhai subha ho gae ha uth ja
Please read the history of Cecil Chaudhry one of the Christian Pakistani Airforce Pilot
Looks like he had an interesting career. I will have to research some more to find details about his involvement in the two conflicts.
dali igrica kosta i dali treba kupovati mig 21 i te stvari
Then why Pakistan lost the war??
You can win some battles on the tactical level but lose the war. Pakistan lost in the East where they were heavily outnumbered and the people mostly turned against them.
Most Soviet fighters of that era had terrible fire control systems. Very inaccurate.
If MiG-19 is simulated accurately, I can confirm that. Quite hard to hit anything.
PAF always proved, that it is Superiour , skilled and professional force as against Indian Air Force.
Lmao the stats says otherwise 🤣🤣
Just like world #1 army and intelligence agency PAF also is world #1...lmao..no wonder they could not liberate kashmir after 4 attempts.
Yes Anjum no doubt 💪💪
Yeah despite loosing all the time still pakistan has an edge
Anjum Asif...pakistan lives in a dreamworld of its own where all pakistanis are legends . They are in a different league altogether. The world calls this state as being delusional.
Imas li discord. Volio bi da mi neko pomogne oko DCSa tek sam poceo nazalost nemam hotas al imam joystick. Znam osnove i letim sa F15,F22
a i volio bi sa nekim igrat da budem iskren
@@talihunter803 Pozdrav. Zasad nemam discord. Kao u nekakvom je dugoročnom planu ali nikako da se uhvatim toga :) Doći će na red valjda jednog dana.
Pak air force is a good air force
Why does this channel tend to focus too much on the Pakistani side of things?, it has to be balanced with videos on Indian air victories during the conflicts with Pakistan too to have an unbiased view of things from a purely air combat perspective.
This channel covered Indo-Pak conflicts in five videos. In two of them Indian MiG-21s shoot down Pakistani Starfighters. In one Pakistani F-86 shoots down an Indian MiG-21. In one, a Pakistani MiG-19 shoots down an Indian Su-7 and finally in one an inexperienced Pakistani MiG-19 pilot chases Indian Sukhois without orders, forgets to set his sight, misses and barely returns to his base on fumes. By what standards is that 'focusing too much on Pakistani side'?!? Have you even seen all of these videos?
A very important factor in selecting a topic is availability of assets in DCS World. For example, nothing from the 1965. conflict has yet been covered because none of the aircraft flown by India are available. We basically have MiG-21, MiG-19 and Sabre from that period that are high-fidelity modules plus F-104 as a simple mod. There was some talk about Hunter being developed which would open lots of possibilities.
If you can recommend a good historic source from the Indian side, feel free to do so.
@@showtime112 ok, I posted this comment before watching those other Indian air victories. This was in fact the first video that I watched on your channel so I commented too swiftly, sorry!
@@veritasardens6547 🤣🤣
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Oi!
Hello!
Great Stuff
Thanks for this!
it's a shame that the simulator doesn't have exact versions of the planes.
Pakistan had a Chinese copy of the Mig-19S with 30mm cannons, but the ability to carry short-range missiles.
Original soviet "S" cant carry missiles!
Your plane is a Mig-19P with the "nose" IMZUMRUD radar.
Any simulation with every single variant, sub-variant and modification would literally take a century to produce. And no hard disk would be big enough for i either.. So, we use what we have.
Your videos are always Pro Pakistan
Try not to be superficial with comments such as this one. Check the playlist 'Indo-Pak Wars' on the channel and then count how many of those are pro-Paksitani.
Pakistan used mig 19s?
Yes, they bought Chinese versions between the '65 and '71 war. USA imposed weapons embargo on them so they tried to diversify their sources. And China even supplied some 40 or so pieces free of charge.
@@showtime112 i didn’t Know that thank you!
No..they didn't copy Israeli 1967 attack on Egypt. It was actually Israel that copied PAF attach which PAF did on Sep 1965 against India and in particular, Patancote where they destroyed well over 14 MiG 21s. At the end of the war..India said that most of the aircrafts were destroyed on the ground giving Pakistan the edge. Israel then copied PAF 1965 attack. Pakistan attempted a replay in Dec 1971, but it was not successful as India had SAMs.
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@@GirishKumar-jm5gi Kiun ? Phat gy na ? Hahahaha..... Aina dikhaya tou........ ? Hahahaha 🤣🤣🤣
rusky v/s rusky :-)
Another video along those lines coming up today :)
Indians don't comment much on such historically correct antibollywood videos 😉
The topic of this video is not so controversial. Both sides seem to agree on what happened here.
@@showtime112 both side may agree but why is so much silence on other side?
@@showtime112 I agree with you but you can understand my point of view if you look at comments and excitement of indians where they see pakistani jet going down. They become very silent if things are otherwise
@@AR-rf9hc Well, I guess they don't have much to say here. Or dispute.
@@showtime112 during 65 an 71 wars Pakistan air force outperformed iaf, and paf more kills than iaf
Your videos are mostly pro-Pakistani nowadays it should be balanced.. Unsubscribed!
Have a nice trip!
BISWA RANJAN Mallick. Aina dikhaya tou bura maan gy 🤣🤣 fact is fact . Dont believe on indian lier media 😭😭😭