Who Are The Aes Sedai?
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- So who are the Aes Sedai? Let's talk about it #TheWheelOfTime.
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So the Three Oaths were already a thing long before Artur Hawkwing was born. From The Wheel of Time Companion:
“The first and third oaths came about as a result of ordinary people’s suspicion toward the Aes Sedai, and were in place before the beginning of the Trolloc Wars, possible as much as five hundred years earlier. The second path grew from tales passed down among Aes Sedai regarding the War of the Shadow, and was the first created after that war.” “All three oaths were in place by the Trolloc Wars, certainly by the end.”
The Trolloc Wars took place 1000 years prior to Artur Hawkwing and the War of the Hundred Years.
Also I apologize for nitpicking. I love your videos, they’re always phenomenal. Keep up the good work!
Don't apologise, he got it wrong. Love his videos but he misread that one, Hawking died and the seige ended, The White Tower never fell. Gareth Byrne says that he'd be the 1st to do it when planning his seige.
The Companion? It doesn't even have an article on the Seals. It says many things that are inconsistent with what's said in the series and in other lore sources. Why should I trust what it says? I'll go with what is said in-series.
@@lisacook8235 does the series specify when the Oaths were put in place?
Thank you! Also the theory that the three oaths were a trick by ishy. Anyone know if there is any support for that?
Ah yes, the existential question : Who are the Wheel of Time? 😂
I'll do you one better: Why is the Wheel of Time?
A million props to Daniel for not editing this out, and even making fun of himself on it.
@@Sparkymark97 No one asks: How is the Wheel of Time..
Where ... are the Wheel of Time
the wheel of time: we've all got one! you'll never believe what we found in ours!
I certainly hope the Aes Sedai are still painted as ambiguous rather than good or bad.
Also, I had another thought, but what are changes that you would like to see and would not want to see? I am curious-
Yeah. Just like most organizations, once it reaches a certain size, it gets filled with people whom have all sorts of opinions. Even more so a political body. You have definite good people, like Moraine, and bad apples like a certain Red sister. But even she had reasons for what she did. Bad ones, but she still truly believed she was doing good, and wanted to help the tower in her own way.
Specifically, let's not let the Reds become Slytherin.
@@nucleargandhi2709 from the trailers it looks like they setting tgem up as bad, but later on characters like pevara are really needed to get the reds right imo
@@nucleargandhi2709 I hope so because while I hate Ealida, I find her chapters after the takeover as we slowly see the deterioration of The White Tower and The Amyrlin. I felt sympathetic and intruguided by her thought process and paranoia that racks the halls of The White Tower.
I loved the old Daniel just talking about The Wheel Of Time, now, I'm blessed again.
Something so cool and calming and immersing about this format style!
It's so cool that you're going to the premiere!
And highlighted as the number 1 name too.
@@theupperechelon7634 it's in alphabetical order
I am sorry that I have failed you, masters.
4 months, I had Eye Of The World, annd yet I am at page 16.
Now, the show is around the corner, and I think I have been an absolute waste of space on the earth.
Light, forgive me! Ilyen-
I win again lews therin
@@randalthor6771 Sudden sweat made tracks down Lews Therin's face through the dust and dirt. He remembered, a cloudy memory like a dream of a dream, but he knew it true.
Bro, just listen to the audiobooks. Throw that shit on when your doing dishes or when you're doing yardwork or when you are driving or in the gym and you'll be sure to get through the books in no time!
@@TheDiabeticGameMaster Damn that's a great idea, but I can't say I haven't thought of it before, I have low retention on audiobooks, will try it out for a while, if it works then I am going to go with audio.
@@nimishrai257 oh boy! You don't know what you're missing, not trying the audiobooks. The low raspy voice of Michael Kramer and the strong and silky voice of Kate Reading make the universe 100 times better and more real.
Just bought the first book can’t wait to read it and the show releases on my birthday too!
Adv happy birthday buddy
Hope you have a great birthday!
HURRY UP!!!
Okay. Sire, you have motivated me. I am going to continue Eye Of The World beyond page 16.
Thanks. From tomorrow. For sure.
Oh, it’s good, don’t worry, everything gets interesting soon. I’m on book 4 and I think I might be going mad
@@connorg.3381 Will do for sure.
@@connorg.3381 book 5 is very dry or slow. Be warned, there are times where it gets painfully slow or dragged out in the series.
@@yurika12 I think I’ll be fine, I’ve been through all the Stormlight Archive books so far, and Way of Kings (while good) is pretty dang slow to begin with.
Nonetheless, I will heed your warning
Stormlight archives is one of the few Sanderson series I haven't read and that is because I couldn't get into Way of Kings.
11:34 "Why people join them specifically generally" - Daniel Greene 2021
I think you should do more wheel of time vids and discworld, they are such cool and interesting topics.
I'm biased in favour of Discworld, so I agree entirely.
I just want to thank you for introducing me to WoT. I started and completed the series last year via audiobook (reason I started audiobooking), which I listened to while at work (cabinet making isn't too mentally stressful lol). More than a few times, especially in the last couple of books, I had to remove myself to sit in the toilet for 5 mins to compose myself due to the emotional turmoil experienced. Absolutely wonderful! I've now gone through the entire Dresden Files catalogue so far, Lightbringer series and Silmarillion(twice)/Hobbit/LotR since finishing WoT. Just... thankyou
Do you know where I could get the audiibooks??
@@elisabettarrago1406 I listen through audible. I tried other "sources" but struggled with quality and finding the books I want
I love this! Always nice to hear you talk WoT and I'm happy you have the chance to make these kinds of videos now!
Thank you for making this. I’m on book 2 and started this series because of your channel. There is so much info it’s hard to sort all of it out. I appreciate the breakdown of this.
Great summary with a lot of good context for anyone new or in need of a refresher. Good video! I love your Wheel of Time stuff.
Such an informative vide. Obviously, with 15 books in the full series, the world is going to be both wide and deep, but in just the 13 minutes of your video, I can tell that it will take multiple re-reads to fully plumb the depths.
Take care, and try to enjoy the premiere while its happening...such a thrill for you.
You are so funny and I love you! Thanks for your dedication to wot and for the time spent editing this video. I’m so happy you’re going to the premiere! Well deserved! 👏
I'm really grateful for this! I am new to the wheel of time and going into the show or book with some basic understanding should make the experience a lot smoother
Thanks for this! FINALLY getting around to reading WOT for the first time, and found this really helpful! Thanks for all your great content! 🙂❤️
God damn this is Prime Daniel. I love your Wheel of Time videos! So informative and entertaining, like for real. Thanks for making my Friday.
Best of health to you Daniel! You brighten up so many days ;-)
I'm still reading The Eye of The World for the first time, and I am loving it so far! I can't wait for the series!
Thanks Daniel! Great video. Have a safe journey home from London.
Great breakdown, Daniel. Always good stuff from your channel.
This is a great series! Please continue it
So proud that you are going to be on the red carpet, you will crush it!
Even as a full series read fan myself I love your video breakdowns! I’m on my second read right now and wow the amount of foreshadowing in the books.. So far I think they will do the Aes Sedai justice, and even without the ageless look (which a few shots seem to look a bit ageless) they look fierce!
you answered many questions i had in my head, much appreciated Daniel
I honestly just teared up a little at 1:30 I am SO excited for you and to join in!!
Super helpful thank you Daniel. I have read eye of the world and will be continuing but I did find the aes sedai hard to grasp
“Not even touching on the Aiel, NOTHER DAY!” 😂 that got me real bad for some reason
Very well done video. Great stuff!
Everyone's always asking who is the Wheel of Time, but no one ever stops to ask *how* is the Wheel of Time.
As always a great video. Keep up the good work and I hope you to have a good day man
Love the editing on this video.
Good, short, but on point run-through.
I hope you will end the 15th with a huge smile on your face.
One of the coolest magic organizations I’ve read in a fantasy series. That’s who the Aes Sedai are.
I started reading the series 3 weeks ago, halfway through Great Hunt now.
Super excited for the series to air.
Siwan is one of my favorite examples of RJ saying: "I'm bored. let's do the opposite."
To wit:
"Ok. She's the most powerful woman in the world, the most subtle politician, and essentially the queen of Labia Island. You're expecting her to be noble and sophisticated like a Bene Gesserit. So let's make her a sneering, sarcastic, foul-mouthed sailor-woman. Why? Because fuck you. That's why."
Good synopsis. Well done my dude.
Some of the stock footage you had rolling in the background was pretty fun odd Mr. green. Just thought you should know. Love the video!
Always love your content, good amount of excitement and reality! Thanks for being sane... for the most part lol
The wheel of time videos were what drew me to the goblin clan years ago. Feels like coming home🤗
Thanks for another great video
I feel it may be important to mention that Aei Sedai can live up to 300 years (usually more like 200).
That was a lot to pack in to one short video. Now my head hurts! Good thing I've read the books so I could keep up! 😉 Yes please do an in depth Ajah breakdown, I'm sure there will be new folks needing info after the first episodes drop! Have fun at the premiere!
In Hungary, the publisher split the books into two parts. All of them. That makes 28 books. 👌
I just fininished Eye of the world I.
And I'm loving it. Thank you Daniel for introducing me to this amazing world.♥️
Imagine trying to recommend your friends read a series with 28 books... for them to just *give it a go*..
@@joelleblanc8670 lol, that's nothing... "Hey man, there's this series you really need to check out. It has 41 books in it, and there are at least 6 different books you can start with because although a bunch the characters cross over between the different story arcs, each arc focuses mainly on a different group of characters. The books weren't written in chronological order so if you're trying to use that as a reading order then you're kind of out of luck. A bunch of the books are also standalone and aren't really related to the other ones at all, but sometimes characters from the other books will show up in the standalone books anyway. Even within the individual story arcs you can kind of read them out of order and it wouldn't matter. You should probably google a chart to figure it all out before you even start. Oh yea, almost forgot, the author more or less retconned the first two books he wrote out of the series, but there are some things from those two that are still consistent with the rest of the series, so you can read those two and some of what's in them will be referenced in other books, but some of it will seem like it was completely changed. So yea... give it a go."
Sounds like my cup of tea. What is the series called and which book do you recommend I start with?
Same in France. 28. That's a lot.
WonderWoman suddenly looking at me when you mentioned women hunting men was... scary. Don't do that to me again, man.
Bro, I’ve seen an x-ray of someone’s choch on Tik Tok. You can’t beat that 😂
What is a choch?
You should do a video comparing the Ads Sedai with the Bene Gesseritt, I would watch the hell out of that!
"after the breaking an empire arose" you mean like 2000 years later right? Like closer to the the EoTW than the breaking by 1000 years. The three oaths came about around the Trolloc wars 1000 years before that. And it's largely implied Ishamael is behind that to hamstring the white tower.
Eh, even without Ishamael pressing his finger down on the scales, I think the Three Oaths would've come about regardless because the normal humans who are unable to channel would have a natural and justified distrust of the Aes Sedai. A large part of the AS' negative reputation is pretty earned. The Aes Sedai are a bunch of ivory towered, stuck up, Jupiter sized ego, manipulative magical cunts who manipulate everyone around them, all while acting in such a haught, holier-than-thou manner that they make the royalty in certain kingdoms look humble. It's a pretty understandable fact that the Aes Sedai haughty, elitist, out of touch, and love to hoard their knowledge. Besides, there's no code of ethics when it comes to to an Aes Sedai using Compulsion on normal humans. One of the first things that Moraine did was try to use Compulsion on the Two River Trio. Even without Ishamael's involvement, the Three Oaths would've come about sooner rather than later. All that accumulated power, with no accountability, is just a recipe for disaster and distrust.
Didn’t think I’d ever say this but damn I’m glad I’m in quarantine because that means I can fully enjoy your live stream…LIVE!
Super helpful video! Thanks Daniel!
I'm on book 3 and I have been confused on a lot of the lore and history and am too nervous to get spoilers from googling it haha
He got some dates mixed up though. And assigned the wrong causes to the wrong effects.
Don’t ask me how but I’ve managed to stay away from all spoilers (I do mean ALL, like I know nothing about wheel of time!) but DANIEL you are going to be the death of me! I can’t watch any of your wheel of time videos yet! And you keep putting them out!
I loved the Alexander the great reference ! Greatings from Greece!
With Daniel Greene as Olver! He's so cool!
Not ugly enough
Nice.
Can't wait for the power level explanation.
Dude...you better be upping your wot vids! You are the best and pretty near the first for us all. Love the content all around bud. Keep it up! But the wheel has come around full circle. It's time for Green to reign! 😉
Daniel going to the premier is the best decision that they could have made. He has and will be getting more people into the wheel of time than anyone else
Really love these lore deep dives…along with everything else u make. However with the show coming up WoT videos are extra hype
This was fabulous.
Wow, this was super detailed... Who needs a companion to the Wheel of Time when we have our good goblin boy Daniel Greene
Good luck in London Goblin! Probably gonna miss the live just because I'll be in Atlanta watching the premiere but you best believe I'll watch it on the way home(I won't be driving, don't worry). Can't wait to see you mingle with the cast, and if nobody brings a badger in a bag I'll be supremely disappointed.
Let’s GOOOO Daniel at the Premiere
0:00 Oh my Goblin Goooooood!
Very well done
I can't wait for the seanchan, I hope we see a hint of them this season and that they play a massive part in season 2. WoT has already been renewed for season 3 and filming will start immediately after season 2 filming wraps!
Where did they say it has been renewed for S3? Cos I thought they would only do that once S2 was done filming
God I hope with every fiber of my being that the Seanchan have their canon Texan accents
@@davidmaxwell4696 Canon?
@@nathanprime2434 The Seanchan drawl is supposed to be highly reminiscent of a Texan accent
And if nothing else its a nice change from Fantasy defaulting to faux British accents
@@davidmaxwell4696 Annoyance at the default Brittish accent in fantasy: COMPLETELY AGREE. Texan Seanchan... I dont know how they will pull off the seriousness and terrifying qualities if they sound like southerners.
11:17 That’s a great stock image choice with the fan in the background looking like a Wheel.
You upped you game! Nice!
it wasn't until I saw this video that I remembered, ITS THIS FRIDAY can't wait
finally somebody who can explain me who the wheel of time are :)
happens to the best i guess :D
I would love to see more videos videos on the wheel of time regarding the world building and its details
That's so nice that they are color coded.
I'm so glad you plan on doing wolf brothers next. I'm almost done with book 6 and the wolf thing is probably the most confusing aspect to the books so far. I can't tell if they are inherently connected to the dream or weaves or what. It seems like they are just a totally separate magic system that isn't at all clear why it's resurfaced.
Thanks for the video, Daniel! Watched it with my gf 'cause she hasn't read the series yet. ^_^
Fishguts! 😄 Great video as always!
The Aes Sedai are pretty much the embodiment of the old saying that power corrupts, and absolute power corrupts absolutely. The male Aes Sedai from the Age of Legends fell to a very literal, supernatural corruption, but the women of the White Tower, over the course of millennia, fell by inches to forms of corruption more familiar to us in the real world - pride, ambition, division, unaccountable power, and conceit.
As the Dragon Reborn, Rand feels the pull of both those forms of corruption, subject to both the Taint and to the corrosive effects of the legend of the Dragon Reborn that now surrounds him. He goes from teenage farmer to figure of prophecy and legend very quickly indeed, and having kings and queens kneel before him, and whole nations delivered into his hands, means that the potential to be consumed by arrogance and conceit, along with paranoia and suspicion, besieges him at all times, and he doesn't always succeed in resisting it.
Love these videos. Lovin those blue sweats too. Lol
Ya know, you prompted me to finally create my own channel. Wish me luck, mate!
I can’t wait for the show
Our Goblin boy is growing up so fast ;)
I JUsT started reading wheel of time and I was nodding along until 5 minutes in.
I don’t know if the caffeine kicked in or the realization that that is actually exactly how I could see the real world ending smacked me in the face…
But … I need a break a cookie and a nap
Only 201 hours and 3 minutes to go until the series is out!!!!
Eyeballs and hand skeletons? Goblin content I subbed for
I am gonna turn that wristbrace into a sickass looking medieval vambrace, just you wait.
I'd add some commentary on the relative strength of Aes Sedai. That is a big part of the internal politics and there is a larger question about overall strength. Current Aes Sedai seem to be, on the whole, less powerful than Aes Sedai from the Age of Legends. (Always loved the theory about since they were killing all the male channelers, they were slowly winnowing out the gene pool.
This is a great video
Good luck finding an editor/editors capturing the gremlin energy. Not trying to be sarcastic, genuine good luck.
Daniel you are so adorable
Thank you
I'm currently listening to Eye of the World and am very glad that you have non-spoiler videos explaining the lore (I just got to the part where Nie eve is talking with Morayne about her ability to touch the one power and was wondering why Nie Eve was so against it, now I understand its because of the stigma against magic). One question: Is this all happening in One turn of the Wheel? Like does the Wheel start when the world breaks or when technology advanced before the breaking? That is the only thing I'm confused about. Thanks again for the explanation!.
Bruh when I first heard the Aes Sedai I trusted them perfectly. When Elaida met Rand I wanted Rand to spill his beans to her. Idk what wrong with me
Who's here after Daniel casually let it slip that he's a red Ajah during the series' premier?
Who are the wheel of time. Love it
1:47 he legit just said "who are the wheel of time" instead of "who are the aes sedai"
What always frustrates me when I read the books is how Aes Sedai believe themselves to be superior and the ones who should guide the world, yet the only difference between them and anyone else is the fact that they can channel. They aren't better or worse, they're just...people. And no wonder people distrust them when they seclude themselves on their island and see The Tower as the center of everything. It makes them intersting, but also incredibly frustrating.
I mean, show me a group of people who have specialized knowledge that don't believe that way. Doctors, Academics, IT guys, and the list goes on. That is Human Nature.
In their mind, they're the most educated and equipped force for the Light to guide mankind - because of the prior history of Aes Sedai in the Age of Legends, how the remaining sane Aes Sedai helped recover the world from The Breaking, their integral part in the Trolloc Wars, alongside a crazy strict education in all things channeling and politics where they put their life on the line multiple times just to graduate.
Their culture is also one of power, the one with the most power has authority, both in their own ranks and how they treat others. Channelers > regular people, despite Aes Sedai serving the world. This obviously makes them elitists, a culture ingrained in them from years studying in the White Tower, because they really are, probably, the most educated and equipped organisation to run the world.
And for most of Randland, they kinda do - the three oaths handicap them for the sake of non-channelers and their fear of being controlled, but it just forced Aes Sedai to be master manipulators to get what they want. And in an Aes Sedai's mind, they deserve to be on top. They deserve to get what they want. Because an Aes Sedai (supposedly) knows best, above all others
@Anne Day that's why I said in their minds lol, I was just explaining why they're so full of themselves. Also, the ones most equipped to handle the last battle and uniting the nations is a united white tower. What are regular humans gonna do against Forsaken and dreadlords? Aes Sedai hubris might have caused the War of the Shadow and The Breaking, but they were also responsible for saving millions of lives in the Age of Legends and the third Age, not to mention have the most knowledge by far of the Forsaken and the prophecies of the Dragon. They caused this mess and they're the most equipped to fix it, so they act like everyone should know the latter while not mentioning the former.
Also, we see from Grey perspectives, and Cadsuane, that they've stopped countless wars and massacres from happening because of their Aes Sedai meddling - without their schemely interference, nations, people and culture would be lost today that would be needed in Tarmon Gaidon. Love it or hate it, their schemes broke the world but also help save it
@Anne Day you... said that "all of this only makes sense if you accept the Aes Sedai tendency to cherry pick history" as a response to why I said they think themselves superior to everyone. You labelled them firefighters who are also arsonists that caused the fires they're putting out in the first place, meaning that their superiority over others is unjustified.
Then I responded that even in their mistakes (unleashing the Dark One, the Breaking) in their POV they're still superior to everyone because they are the most equipped to prepare the world for Tarmon Gaidon, they feel they have the right to meddle because their knowledge would lead to a better outcome than if one made a decision without said knowledge, and the mistakes of their forebears doesn't hold themselves accountable personally.
And even outside their POV, the Aes Sedai we know today didn't even cause The Breaking - it was Lews Therin's decision to seal the bore with his 100 MALE companions, tainting Saidin and leaving men insane to break the world. It was the female half of Aes Sedai that saved it from them, the half that is currently what an Aes Sedai is. And (spoilers for AMoL)
Even if both men and women Aes Sedai agreed to seal the bore, that would have tainted BOTH halves of the One Power because you need the True Power as a buffer. Saidar not being tainted is a direct result of the female Aes Sedai being reasonable. They saved the world, they did not cause The Breaking, that point is moot.
(No longer spoilers for AMoL) And about the Trollocs and Shadowspawn? It was solely Aginor, who renounced being an Aes Sedai and was Forsaken. Not even a woman Channeler, no longer an Aes Sedai. You can't hold them accountable for making Trollocs if it was a single male Forsaken who did the work. Or what, is every atrocity the Forsaken did (torturing whole cities, enslaving others through Compulsion, manipulating the nations of the world to be divided) also the Aes Sedai's fault? It's ridiculous to hold them accountable for that, that is not their mistake.
And you talk of their meddling being a bad thing, making them hypocrites - without Aes Sedai meddling we never would have found the Dragon Reborn. It's just a straight up fact that their schemes for the world do more good than harm to the world, superiority complex or no. That doesn't make them hypocrites or unqualified to feel "superior", it makes them human.
Don't tell the other WOTubers, but you're my favorite.
Yes!! The nerd passion!! That's what I come here for! A geek geeking out about his geek passion :D
4:57 honestly that's a mood
Great video as always, well summed up. I admit to dreading some of the inevitable changes Amazon is going to have to do to condense such a massive work to a season, even for the first book. Where did you see that this is set in the future? I've read the series several times, and can't recall that. I do know (SPOILERS) that Rand and the other chiefs saw that the Aiel came from a time when life was much more advanced, but don't remember that as a time beyond our own age... Just curious. Must have missed that somewhere. Oh, and I was completely distracted during your entire presentation. Some will know why. LOL...
Our age in the books is called the age of wonders. It never says outright, but there are plenty of hints. It is followed by the age of legends, which is followed by the third age in which we find ourselves in the books.
I was thinking that an aspect of the Aes Sedai worth mentioning is their long life span. I think it impacts their view on the world in different ways:
1. they've been through a lot more
2.they've seen a lot more horror in the world.
3. they've lost family members, children, grandchildren, love is not forever.
I feel like their long life span helps them to see what is more important and long-lasting in this world. At the same time I believe it also darkens their view of the world because they've lost so many family members and love is not something that they could ever hold onto for very long. The only thing that they have in their lives that lasts very long is the White Tower that's the only static thing. So the white tower is mother, the white tower is father.