The internet is amazing for the fact that these people spend their whole lives working on something and I get a beautiful summarized version while eating a McMuffin
Zod Joe should have asked more thought provoking questions regarding what the guy actually thinks consciousness is. The guy didn’t really go that deep on the possibilities. Consciousness is one of the most interesting philosophical subjects you can talk about. This moment was wasted. Joe could have got him thinking. The guy was just as clueless about consciousness as anyone else. LOL! It’s general Zod!
Ezeckel Reichert I think I watched 3 clips. When I saw the one on consciousness I watched it last and thought it would be insightful, but it wasn’t. My personal opinion is that science cannot touch or measure consciousness and that’s why the discussion was boring. Only philosophy and logic can touch upon what consciousness is. If I’m wrong I’ll be proven wrong in the future if science actually identifies what consciousness is. I just don’t think that will ever happen.
agree or disagree with his prize...it was awarded for all the side-science you can harvest from his path(ology) in the near future. take room-temperature MASER science for instance. (not LASER)
Armoured Rat well maybe you’re wrong about all of that bc Rogans podcast is one of the most successful so maybe people do connect like that in that way
One thing that makes Rogan an innovative interviewer is his ability to let his guest speak uninterrupted for over ten minutes without getting anxious himself. Seriously great.
He's very socially intelligent. He can tell whether or not the person would want to just speak without input. On top of that, he can read whether or not WE would want that. His older interviews from 2013-2014ish, he did cut people off, but he's mastered his craft now.
Roger Penrose's doubt and willingness to say he doesn't know the answer with certainty is so reassuring. The bullshit level with him is close to zero, and thats SO rare.
@@emmanuelkant9579 Science makes you realize very quickly that we have to be very careful about what we claim to really know, and what we actually just intuit, understand vaguely or flat out think of incorrectly. Any good scientist knows their job isn't describing reality, but making predictions about it.
@@thiocarbamoyl Hey man, to be honest I was very high when I wrote that comment. I have this thing about me that I very much like playing devils advocate. Thus at this time I am not sure if this comment was meant as devils advocate or it was actually my own thinking. Now I am sitting in the couch of my student apartment, feeling depressed as always, contemplating what is there to even desire to continue. As a fellow human, I hope you have a better peace of mind. I give up.bye
This brilliant man is consciously reducing the complexity level of his points to the level that engages the audience from start till the end. Fantastic Interview indeed.
The fact that this guy can say I don't know to a question is one of the reasons why he is a true scientist. I have seen others, insert their opinion and thats bs
A lot of scientists are kind of taught not to say you don’t know, you are to make educated guesses half the time. I think a lot of them take that out with their education and think they can guess the answer to any question.
14.55 before Joe asks his second question. Phenomenal job letting the man speak and explain without constant interruption. its what we all love about JRE
@Stephanie S Nope, but I need no therapy. All i need to make my life right is a small man with a big bald head to live with me and let me lick his head whenever I want
This guy is a genius !! He has made more contributions to physics than Stephen Hawkins. Nice to see a noble prize winner in physics explaining physics to Joe Rogan
@@organicfarm5524 I don't think Dr. Penrose was ever underrated. Maybe many people don't know about him beyond the scientific community. But within his community, he's definitely one of the greatest figures of the 20th century (at least).
@@innosanto If making contributions in singularity and black holes is the key for your argument, I believe that you will find fascinating that Dr. Penrose won the Noble price in physics for the discovery that black hole formation is a robust prediction of the general theory of relativity, While Einstein's general theory of relativity predicts the existence of black holes, Einstein didn't himself believe they really existed. Hawking singularity theorem is based on Penrose singularity theorem.
This man is the most well-spoken, articulate person I have ever listened to. His understanding of how to frame complex ideas and build understanding from scratch is unprecedented
The fact that someone who took lectures from Dirac is able to do interviews on Rogan is mindblowing. I use the dirac delta function almost every day in my course work as an engineer. Dirac is one of the most important physicists of all time.
According to Wiki, he's from the 18th century, after making many correct calculations, he's lived a multidimensional meaningful life, spending much of it in the future-to-date. You can tell he has because of all the knowledge he brings plus the truth, logic and common sense in his accent.
Why is Penrose's name not in the title? Seems a bit like having Stephen Hawking on the show and just calling it Physicist Explains Black Holes. Surely more people are going to click if they see that kind of name.
I think it’s kind of poetic that he just considers them how they are: scientists/mathematicians-as if they all have equal potential to make meaningful contributions to society.
I love and respect Joe Rogan to the nth degree. He is by far the best interviewer I’ve ever watched. Especially if it is a topic he is genuinely interested in. Joe didn’t speak for a full 15 minutes, and understands enough to ask appropriate questions. I’m also imagining Joe asking the Professor wants “shrooms” to explore this further.
Theres a difference between trying to act smart like some of the guest and actually being smart. This guy was very interesting. I'd watch if u had him back.
John Demchuk Basically, but I also feel like he touches up on the programming/philosophy aspect of decision making skills and processing evolution of the human brain and how adapting it to systems seems hard AF because programs are usually back and forth based on a pre-determined function/algorithm. He’s big smart 👌🏻
Either consciousness is a decidable or consciousness is undecidable. If consciousness is decidable there is an algorithm for it. If consciousness is undecidable then we can never know if we are actually conscious.
@@memegazer i like this comment... but hypothetically, we could learn everything there is to know about consciousness & still not be able to generate or manufacture it. One can imagine a few scenarios in which that might be the case (many of which don't rely on the presence of gods/spirits/the supernatural)
@@ts4gv That depends on what is meant by the term consciousness. Indeed it is easy to imagine a case where thinking machines would never be classified as consciousness...but that does not change the fact that we are still left with only two options. Either consciousness is computable...in which case there is an algorithm for it. Or we define consciousness as not computable...which will mean we will never be able to define and quantify the difference between biological intelligence and machine intelligence. It is really just a matter of preference.
@@memegazer One can imagine scenarios in which we could understand everything there is to know about consciousness, know that it cannot be generated from an algorithm on any machine, never have the tools to generate it ourselves (other than advanced cloning), and to be able to fully classify machine intelligence from biological intelligence. Think along the lines of “consciousness juice” in the brain, or weird quantum level stuff-anything in which physical reality is essential to generating consciousness. Unlikely, but a fun thought experiment. That’s my only point.
True, but I think being the mathematician that he is, these lectures are like attending an extremely memorable stage play. Science and math is his passion, so any memories/information related to that will be easily recalled.
@@movin3148 this is what I was thinking, imagine sitting in with THE Paul Dirac? That’s like attending a lecture with Einstein or Newton. What an extremely memorable experience!
@@Sean-yr4se slightly radioactive granite ionized air, internal dolomite plating is conductive & shields from cosmic Ray's while hiding background radiation from the granite.
Just for the record this is as close as you’re going to get to an interview with Einstein. Penrose is a HUGE name in math and physics. This is like bringing Grothendieck or Hilbert on the show.
This is such a great example of when someone is very smart and has a lot of experience with a subject that there is a lot doubt in truly knowing something and there is humility and integrity in saying he’s not sure.
This is so good I would pay 100 dollars for it. Joe's interviewing skills shine so bright here. His genuine interest in everything really fuels the dialogue...
@@tedseb7726since you guys can see it for free I will accept your money.😂 Oh wait you mean rocks… I couldn’t see anything but green for a second there.
@@hamster2880 there’s absolutely no way that joe could read his published papers and understand them. More accurately “I have scanned a few of your papers and didn’t understand anything, can you explain in laymen’s terms?”😂
Joe is awesome, he lets his guests actually talk and he is genuinely interested in what his guests have to say. He often gives his most intelligent guests new ways of thinking.
They spent 7 years trying to teach a dolphin to read. He just smiled, laughed and went about his way. The little snail in the corner of the tank, is now poised to take over the world.
I think the answer on consciousness should be searched via meditation and relaxation. I once was relaxed so much that all i was left was a tiny spot of consciousness somewhere inside my brain. If you go that far weird stuff can happen.i had an out of body experience, probably stepped into another layer of this reality. My consciousness 100% for sure didnt fall asleep. Opened my "eyes", somebody was already waiting for me, i was brought somewhere, was tested to see how i could hold myself when bombarded telephatically i think. Things work different there, more instantaneous, i failed and was brought back. When i opened my eyes in this reality, i felt i hadnt slept, that this did happen and i was mentally soo drained i just broke down.. It was the toughest experience i ever had. We need to explore that place/state of being. I feel its important.
Hi! I know it’s been a long time since you commented, I’m just really curious about this subject :) do you believe where you went was real? Or do you think it was just an aspect of the brain?
@Hank do you believe where you go when you dream is real? I think it's good to know that when dreaming, one's brain releases a few different chemicals to keep the body from moving and also to numb the mind so it can re-energize during sleep. I think when meditating, one isn't flooded with those chemicals and has a much clearer and imaginative view on their dream state, during the meditation. My point being that the clarity of meditative dreams might be so convincingly real feeling that it can be overwhelming. Compared to your sleepy drugged up dream state in sleep. Bare in mind; I am a Christian, 7th day Adventist, so I believe consciousness to be extremely complex and completely reliant on the soul. I mean the visions that people speak of in the Bible are extremely representative of some meditative experiences. Anyways, I hope that my words can help you with some new interpretation of what is maybe happening- or that I can invoke a new idea in your head that may lead you to a satisfactory conclusion 😊
Keep trying! Never stop trying! One day you’ll make it to the other side and be able to stay there for good! I’ve had very many similar experiences but not quite that far deep. 😊
Jaw dropped. I've experienced something eerily similar at a young age. If this is real, if you are still there, reply to me. If I could compare your experience with mine I might get closer to understanding just what it was.
It's amazing to see someone this old who has dedicated their life to an understanding for the greater society. Edit: I think my liver is conscious on some small level. It has handled a lot.
What I got from this is basically Microtubials are responsible for consciousness, but we can never recreate consciousness with mathematics and we lack much of an understanding of what consciousness actually is, but we see Fibonacci sequences in the Microtubials which we think has something to do with where our conscious experience originates
basically he just kicks the can down the road, when you deny god its impossible to explain conscionus... ps: I DONt WANT an argument but a god debate with facts please.....
Philip Anthropist nice metaphor but it doesn’t quite work. There are more than 1 of the thing. It’s a fingertip trying to touch someone else’s fingertip and that is indeed very manageable
It’s amazing how many people think Joe is a big moron. In every interview I’ve seen, regardless of how big the genius, he seems to be able to wrap his mind around the concepts the guest talks about. He may ask a lot of questions and use stupid analogies, but he’s not dumb. He’s also not dumb just because he’s done drugs or smokes pot. His vocabulary is somewhat limited but he explains his own views and asks questions well. And is ALWAYS GENUINELY interested in what the guest has to say. He’s not dumb; quite the contrary.
Joe is definitely super smart, normally and socially. Feminists and people like that call joe dumb and stuff for saying things like - men who turn into girls shouldn’t be allowed in women’s sport.
Joe is far from dumb, he may not know the actual names of concepts or equation because he is not a specialist in that field but he understands the concept quite well and summarize them into ways we all can understand. People who think that he is dumb are probably the dumb ones 😂
This is one of the better and well done Joe Rogan podcast interviews. Always been intrigued by ‘consciousness’ and how it fits in terms of existentialism. No MD’s in psychiatry can actually define or say. Yet, the common man will tell you that there is a connection between consciousness and the soul. Lot’s of luck getting a scientific explanation on that!
The soul could be completely explained scientifically.. like he explains in this interview, that understanding of what consciousness is, is beyond the scope of current mathematical, macro or quantum physics and it needs more research. Don't be ignorant
Even in the show breaking bad Walt and his Colleague could get it down to a mathematical number but could not say exactly what it was. If Hollywood looks at it that way I doubt mainstream science sees it no different.
Im a novice in this subject, but this man was incredible and it got me thinking: if there are different types of microtubules (if i understood that correctly), and they exist on every cell in the body, then could it be that their symmetrical pattern, combined with location, electromagnetic pull and grey matter in the brain act as a pyramid creating a sort of ignition to the microtubules in the brain. Being that some regions dont appear to be/act consciously, perhaps these tubules are constantly morphing, moving from on, off, and superposition, creating a conscious spark whilst in superposition. Depending on engraved neural pathways, the tubules will decide when to switch on conscious experiences in the cerebrum (conscious, decision making) and cerebellum (subconscious, or flow). Therefore intelligence is simply microtubules harmoniously acting in superposition to produce more conscious experiences in more regions of the brain, and the same is true conversely. Just my thoughts tonight
I studied quantum physics at Cambridge University and I remember when hearing about quantum entanglement and also particles acting differently when being observed for the first time it blew my mind at what goes on at the quantum level. And even to this day quantum physics can always end up mesmerising me
I always thought that quantum particles acted differently when being observed because the very act of "observing" modifies the system, like shooting a light wave in the system and wait for the light to come back to know what is going on there, by the time the light is back the system was modified by said light.
Joe you gotta interview him again! You must hear him talk about his model of Conformal Cyclic Cosmology, which claims there is evidence of supermassive black hole collisions in the cosmic microwave background radiation in the form of concentric circles from a previous universe. The theory says the absolute end of the universe (all black holes evaporate and nothing of mass exists) is conformally identical to the big bang. So the entire known cosmos from big bang to end is nothing but a series of infinite universes occurring one after another. Super interesting and IT MAKES SENSE!
"The rules are true because one believes they are true." I've always had this thought and feeling but never explored it because I just wanted to pass my math classes.
Well the rules (of mathematics, simplified) also haven't let us down ever since the greeks were doing math with only circles and lines, no numbers or anything else really.
@@allesklarklaus147 yeah thats pure mathematics. Applies mathematics is what you were taught in school. Pure mathematics is truly reflective of the universe.
@@saheruthepharaoh I didn't mean it in an offensive way everyone quick to take things in negatively. I just mean it's rare to see mainstream podcasters bringing scholars on to their show that it's. I ain't got nothing against anyone
@@partylover61 I didn’t take it negatively just didn’t really know what was meant by that haha but I can see how I came across passive aggressively. i definitely know what you mean and I agree :) it’s refreshing. It’s why I love his podcast. Such a wide range of different professions and walks of life. He’s really living the dream.
For anyone confused. Goldbach’s conjecture states that any even number can be expressed the sum of two prime numbers: 12 = 7+5 etc. Mathematically this is either true or false? Though the ‘truth’ is that it is undecidable as we will never run out of numbers to test. Forever a mystery, a question which can never be inequitably answered, a question of faith and a metaphor for the truth of our lives. We must learn to live with ambiguity. Or put another way, we are not machines, our brains are not computers, or steam engines or made of clockwork, we are living organism, we are animal! (Chimps)
I disagree. All that's truly known about the mind and matter of conciousness is that we know little at all.. Yet. It's a matter of measuring the synapse and neural networks in the brain. Once we develop the tools to do that, we will likely be able to map the mind and reconstruct an artificial conciousness.. I don't think we are magical animals. I think we are organic, biological machines and we can be synthetically emulated.. But as of right now, it is all just conjecture.. None of us really know for sure..
Sammy Smith Quantic as in, influenced by our internal and external environments..? By the shortcuts of paradigms that our old and new emotions cause?... Hmm 🤔 sounds familiar to some intelligent MAN ( not woman or little girl) named Ryan.
"Mathematician" to indicate one of the greatest minds we'll ever get to witness in our lifetimes is quite reductive to say the least. Sir Roger Penrose is a global treasure
The internet is amazing for the fact that these people spend their whole lives working on something and I get a beautiful summarized version while eating a McMuffin
Good thing you were not taking a dump.
living your best life 'eh?
Is it weird in more grossed out by the mcmuffin
Codeezyeezy18 no it’s not
lmfao!!
Give such credit to Joe for not cutting him off and just letting him explain. Brilliant.
Zod
Joe should have asked more thought provoking questions regarding what the guy actually thinks consciousness is. The guy didn’t really go that deep on the possibilities. Consciousness is one of the most interesting philosophical subjects you can talk about. This moment was wasted. Joe could have got him thinking. The guy was just as clueless about consciousness as anyone else. LOL! It’s general Zod!
Anon Anonymous
No dip shit.
@@monsterhuntervideos4446
Did you watch the whole interview or just this clip from it?
Ezeckel Reichert
I think I watched 3 clips. When I saw the one on consciousness I watched it last and thought it would be insightful, but it wasn’t. My personal opinion is that science cannot touch or measure consciousness and that’s why the discussion was boring. Only philosophy and logic can touch upon what consciousness is. If I’m wrong I’ll be proven wrong in the future if science actually identifies what consciousness is. I just don’t think that will ever happen.
@@monsterhuntervideos4446
It really sounds like you're saying that since it wasn't what you personally believe, you didn't like what was said.
Sir Roger Penrose just won the 2020 Nobel Prize in Physics. Great guest Joe
Wait when was this?
@@marcospizarro7890 6 October 2020
It was well overdue though.
agree or disagree with his prize...it was awarded for all the side-science you can harvest from his path(ology) in the near future. take room-temperature MASER science for instance. (not LASER)
@@oryxchannel agree or disagree ? There's an objective method by which nobel prize is awarded you can agree with reality or not agree with it
Guest like these is what makes the JRE Podcast absolutely revolutionary compared to mainstream media/interviews.
@Armoured Rat put experts together and they talk in expert lingo; with joe they are forced to simplify.
this and the other top comments are straight up, good comments lol.
Armoured Rat well maybe you’re wrong about all of that bc Rogans podcast is one of the most successful so maybe people do connect like that in that way
@Armoured Rat you say that, but I wouldn't have known this person existed if it didn't shown up on my feed. So I guess you are lost.
Armoured Rat lol nice job reddit you didn’t even say what you thought you said, duh that’s my point stupid
Joe”I know when to be quiet“ Rogan
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Dude I'm high as hell and it feels like I'm talking to an actual wizard.
hell to the yea but i think he could take a wizard too school
😂😂😂😂
What on?
Bro i couldnt comprehend what was going on after a certain point so i said fuck it n went to sleep😂😂
talking?
3:06 "I used to have a colleague"... English Mathematician version of "A buddy of mine..."
True lol. It is possible that the person died given his age, which makes it sad.
I tend to say peer.
A colleague is different to a buddy
@@MaxUtley eloquently spoken sir
@@MaxUtley You had a point there.... Until you spelled "appalling" with one p
One thing that makes Rogan an innovative interviewer is his ability to let his guest speak uninterrupted for over ten minutes without getting anxious himself. Seriously great.
agree. It's like hes the most interested person to his guest out of all of us.
He's very socially intelligent. He can tell whether or not the person would want to just speak without input. On top of that, he can read whether or not WE would want that. His older interviews from 2013-2014ish, he did cut people off, but he's mastered his craft now.
And at the end of that 10 minutes to ask a series of cogent questions that are similar to what I want to ask. Brilliant indeed.
Yes. He reminds me of Piers Morgan.
this man calculated his way into spirituality
It's called Abstract reasoning.
Proceed at your own risk.
He really did
Well he tried
Underrated comment. Perfectly said.
@@TerrelleCheers1 Deep shit..
Roger Penrose's doubt and willingness to say he doesn't know the answer with certainty is so reassuring. The bullshit level with him is close to zero, and thats SO rare.
mark of a real scientist
@@vincent10kd humble man..
I don't think that at all, I think that made him look rather poorly knowledgable on the topic here wrote a book on.
@@emmanuelkant9579 Science makes you realize very quickly that we have to be very careful about what we claim to really know, and what we actually just intuit, understand vaguely or flat out think of incorrectly. Any good scientist knows their job isn't describing reality, but making predictions about it.
@@thiocarbamoyl Hey man, to be honest I was very high when I wrote that comment. I have this thing about me that I very much like playing devils advocate. Thus at this time I am not sure if this comment was meant as devils advocate or it was actually my own thinking. Now I am sitting in the couch of my student apartment, feeling depressed as always, contemplating what is there to even desire to continue. As a fellow human, I hope you have a better peace of mind. I give up.bye
Watching Joe rogan is like farming life XP
Adam Millington gotta get the mats up lol
Lv. 99 anaesthesiology
Only the episodes worth listening to.
@@stefanmurray393 PhD = Skill Cape
I’ll afk & watch some joe rogan lol
As a mathematician, I never expected Joe to have such interview.
Joe is so open to so many different ideas, big reason why he has such a wide spread fan base.
I didn't either and he really acted and held himself correctly for the occasion during this episode, I was quite impressed by it!
@Jesus Christ Birth, disease, old age, death, repeated for millennia until renunciation of the material world.
Do you believe in Allah, Heaven, Hell, Dajjal
What was the probability of this event
This man's voice so pleasing to the ear, I could listen to him tell a story of the biggest shit he's ever taken, and still be fascinated
True. He sounds like a man that could narrate a Disney movie lol
This guy could read anything and I would listen.
Lmao
Typical Rick.
But to be fair Those kind of shit stories are always fascinating i think
The greatest gift a host can give is silence
They don't get any more prestigious than this guy. He's a legend.
Hes a nerd and im an alpha. I would do upon him a wedgie as 80s movies instruct athletes do to nerds
This brilliant man is consciously reducing the complexity level of his points to the level that engages the audience from start till the end. Fantastic Interview indeed.
While consciously breaking down consciousness... legendary
at 87 too
Extremely intelligent...
And yet i still hardly understand
Indeed kind sir
yes but... have you tried DMT? Jaime pull that up for me.
Lol i read that in his voice
Same 😂☠️
@Guybrush Threepwood good job ... that was so witty "Your mommas voice" you must be a comedic genius...wow...you win! Im not worthy
I think joe realizes at this guys age it would prob kill him.
😂😂😂😂😂
Thank you Joe, this man deserves so much respect and you treated him such. It's an honor to watch him speak and not be cut off or rushed.
An*
Honor*
@@ragnaroksangel oops typo. thanks.
Joe had no idea what tf he was talking about
@@quinnparker6111 Haha yea I'm sure he had no clue.
Exactly...Joe knows not to interupt him...respect to both
The fact that this guy can say I don't know to a question is one of the reasons why he is a true scientist. I have seen others, insert their opinion and thats bs
Facts
Because he’s very objective
Intellectual humility is so important
A lot of scientists are kind of taught not to say you don’t know, you are to make educated guesses half the time. I think a lot of them take that out with their education and think they can guess the answer to any question.
@@zachluntsford why
How did Joe get this guy? He's brilliant and a joy to listen to. He articulates his thoughts and ideas perfectly.
Joe has many guest that meet that criteria
He's written lots of books aimed at the general public so probably thought alot about how best to communicate this stuff in a palatable way.
It's Sir Roger Penrose, you been living in a cave?
Hmm, it might have something to do with having the largest podcast in the world... Naaaah...
He’s very meek
This is why the Joe Rogan podcast is the best. He is like "today I will talk to Mike Tyson next week Rodger Penrose."
Thank you Joe for not cutting him off. Smoked a big joint and listened to this while cooking bacon and that made life pretty great hahaha
I'm doing the exact same, absolutely fascinated
I listen to jre so often when making breakfast, fuckin vibes
Fat doinks in Amish
Wait a minute I have weed, papers, and bacon...the brief wiggling of your fingers 4 months ago has directly altered my reality today. And I thank you
@@GrimoraHistoryTV im at work. Gonna wait til i get home so i can have bacon and get to baking
14.55 before Joe asks his second question. Phenomenal job letting the man speak and explain without constant interruption. its what we all love about JRE
@Stephanie S Nope, but I need no therapy. All i need to make my life right is a small man with a big bald head to live with me and let me lick his head whenever I want
@Stephanie S this brief interaction between you and that guy, Without any context is the most random and funniest shit ive seen all day lmao
This guy is a genius !! He has made more contributions to physics than Stephen Hawkins. Nice to see a noble prize winner in physics explaining physics to Joe Rogan
He's truly an underrated polymath of his time.
@@organicfarm5524 I don't think Dr. Penrose was ever underrated. Maybe many people don't know about him beyond the scientific community. But within his community, he's definitely one of the greatest figures of the 20th century (at least).
@@shaswatadutta4451 cool so he's underrated especially in this context compared to Hawking who is very well known to general population
How do you know he has made more? Hawking made contributions both to singularities and black holes.
@@innosanto If making contributions in singularity and black holes is the key for your argument, I believe that you will find fascinating that Dr. Penrose won the Noble price in physics for the discovery that black hole formation is a robust prediction of the general theory of relativity, While Einstein's general theory of relativity predicts the existence of black holes, Einstein didn't himself believe they really existed. Hawking singularity theorem is based on Penrose singularity theorem.
I have NEVER heard Joe be so quiet for so long!!!!!
But did you notice Joe's jaw drop?
He was probably spacing out hella hard lol
You need to tune in to his new Edward Snowden Podcast. He is as quiet as a mouse in that one lol...
Joe doesn't have a clue what he's talking about.
He nodded off.....
This man is the most well-spoken, articulate person I have ever listened to. His understanding of how to frame complex ideas and build understanding from scratch is unprecedented
My thoughts exactly being that i can relate /process the bulk of his verbage could never relay on this level .
look up david bohm. he has several talks. bohm was a colleague of einstein's.
yes
So ur high too bro?😆
You must be one sheltered idiot, then
The fact that someone who took lectures from Dirac is able to do interviews on Rogan is mindblowing. I use the dirac delta function almost every day in my course work as an engineer. Dirac is one of the most important physicists of all time.
The world we live in is amazing
@@justindreyer7334 Not really. NeoLiberalism is destroying it.
Dirac was a madman!! Sometimes in a good way
I love the era we live in, so much information out there. Thank you Joe Rogan for these wonderful guests.
3:03 imagine talking about advanced mathematics while staring at Joe just sitting there the way he does 😂😂
“Wtf is this guy talking about i wonder?! Eh i dont want to sound stupid- i’ll just sit here like a stoned ape and pretend i get it”
Just like the stars its deep and all the meaning is there, yet i cant completely comprehend it
The marvel and intricacies of the universe can be glimpsed in the sheen on Joe's bald head
Best coment .thnx bro
Joe's thinking about how to ask him about DMT
What a podcast to have, people will still watch these in 50 years time. Legendary!
Assuming TH-cam servers aren't destroyed
@@eddiejohnston1853 We must protect YT servers at *all* costs!!!
the world will be gone brother, live vast
There’s something about old school English Professors having a somewhat deeper understanding of their subject matter. Vintage quality.
Reminds me of a 1962 Volvo.
@@fishfire_2999 lmfao that’s a great comment man
According to Wiki, he's from the 18th century, after making many correct calculations, he's lived a multidimensional meaningful life, spending much of it in the future-to-date.
You can tell he has because of all the knowledge he brings plus the truth, logic and common sense in his accent.
I know right, wait till you watch this video witha mathematician in it.
Yes pure quality and class…
Way too high for this level of chat...
same here
LMAO
Yep haha
Even if you werent youre to dumb to get it.
Just killed mine..and now lit my cig..my mind is buzzin..all over like a ping pong ball back and forth
Roger Penrose's List of Contributions
1. Moore-Penrose inverse
2. Twistor theory
3. Spin network
4. Abstract index notation
5. Black hole bomb
6. Geometry of spacetime
7. Cosmic censorship
8. Illumination problem
9. Weyl curvature hypothesis
10. Penrose inequalities
11. Penrose interpretation of quantum mechanics
12. Diósi-Penrose model
13. Newman-Penrose formalism
14. GHP formalism
15. Penrose diagram
16. Penrose inequality
17. Penrose process
18. Penrose tiling
19. Penrose triangle
20. Penrose stairs
21. Penrose-Hawking singularity theorems
22. Penrose graphical notation
23. Penrose transform
24. Penrose-Terrell effect
pp-wave spacetime
25. Schrödinger-Newton equations
26. Orch-OR/Penrose-Lucas argument
27. FELIX experiment
28. Trapped surface
29. Andromeda paradox
30. Conformal cyclic cosmology
List of awards
1. Adams Prize (1966)
2. Heineman Prize (1971)
3. Fellow of the Royal Society (1972)
4. Eddington Medal (1975)
5. Royal Medal (1985)
6. Wolf Prize (1988)
7. Dirac Medal (IOP) (1989)
8. Albert Einstein Medal (1990)
9. Naylor Prize and Lectureship (1991)
10. Knight Bachelor (1994)
11. James Scott Prize Lectureship (1997-2000)
12. Karl Schwarzschild Medal (2000)
13. De Morgan Medal (2004)
14. Dalton Medal (2005)
15. Copley Medal (2008)
16. Fonseca Prize (2011)
17. Nobel Prize in Physics (2020)
Sure you listed them all
Why is Penrose's name not in the title? Seems a bit like having Stephen Hawking on the show and just calling it Physicist Explains Black Holes. Surely more people are going to click if they see that kind of name.
UnderATallTree Youd be shocked to know that having vague titles is actually for views
At least they should have put his name in the description.
Didn't you write the same comment under an Eyes Wide Shut YT review?
I think you did.
Try asking random people in the street who Roger Penrose is, it's nowhere near as much of a household name as Stephen Hawking
I think it’s kind of poetic that he just considers them how they are: scientists/mathematicians-as if they all have equal potential to make meaningful contributions to society.
This made me realize I’m only smart in relation the people I surround myself with!
Sounds like a backhanded compliment for yourself and a knuckle sandwich for your associates.
@@sambarratt1349 🤣
@@sambarratt1349 get em
@@sambarratt1349 whats "a knuckle sandwich"?English is not my mother tongue)
@@MarsLonsen a punch I guess
"Jamie pull up that video with the ostrich and the balls."
Ha regular show joke
joe gets silent when its time to discuss quantum mechanics...
Which is a pity because he's an expert from his experience on DMT
ook at his face. he cant even remember what question he asked the guy
Of course he does do you fully understand it? The worlds best people are only scratching the surface lol
Yeah Joe Rogan is so dumb for not being able to fully understand these advanced concepts that he doesn’t even study fuck Joe Rogan
@@nathanlucca1515 love u
The dude is a genius when it comes to communicating with a broad variety of guests
If by communicating, you mean remaining silent, then yeah, he's great at it.
thetedmang you should try it then
@@mbtisocialclub legend
i'm beginning to 'hear' that lol. jre has been recommended to me for yrs.
JRE needs to bring more scientists and physicists back.
why I love Joe's podcast ? no bullshit, no background music, just interesting people and good honest conversations.
Unintentional ASMR: Mathman Trying to Measure Consciousness
Lol agree
Haha! This cracked me TF up!! 😂
"Mathman" lmao nice
I love and respect Joe Rogan to the nth degree. He is by far the best interviewer I’ve ever watched. Especially if it is a topic he is genuinely interested in. Joe didn’t speak for a full 15 minutes, and understands enough to ask appropriate questions. I’m also imagining Joe asking the Professor wants “shrooms” to explore this further.
The less Joe speaks the greater his intelligence shows
"shrooms" 🤣🤣
Imagine knowing as much about mathematics, physics, biology and neuroscience as this guy. Incredible
PizzaBert_ I’d be the next Elon Musk
@@Ray2311us penrose is older than musk, so if anything Elon musk is the next penrose.
@@jacklawpants7944 Not even close, Elon thinks of stuff, doesn't mean he's a scientist of this caliber or even close
Well, I can tell you, from memory, the main 11 of both Real Madrid and Barcelona since 1991 to now...
@@jacklawpants7944 Must is only an engineer. Penrose is one of the smartest guys on Earth...Geez!
I have no idea what he's talking about but I will watch this video anyway
Sneintzville same 😩😅
Gay sex, him and Joe are flirting hardcore they're just being super low-key about it.
Theres a difference between trying to act smart like some of the guest and actually being smart. This guy was very interesting. I'd watch if u had him back.
Holy shit, this guy went GODMODE on the maths of existence .
Paul Steenhuisen he basically said he has no idea.
John Demchuk Basically, but I also feel like he touches up on the programming/philosophy aspect of decision making skills and processing evolution of the human brain and how adapting it to systems seems hard AF because programs are usually back and forth based on a pre-determined function/algorithm. He’s big smart 👌🏻
jdisco1 hahah true, i was just a bit excited.
80% OF US DONT UNDERSTAND MATH !! THE OTHER 30 % KNOW A LITTLE !!!
bindare dundat hahahah good one! Math is easy if you practice it from trigonometric functions/unit circle and sprout from there
Guy gets three words out...
Me: Yep this dude knows what’s up.
Either consciousness is a decidable or consciousness is undecidable.
If consciousness is decidable there is an algorithm for it.
If consciousness is undecidable then we can never know if we are actually conscious.
@@memegazer i like this comment... but hypothetically, we could learn everything there is to know about consciousness & still not be able to generate or manufacture it. One can imagine a few scenarios in which that might be the case (many of which don't rely on the presence of gods/spirits/the supernatural)
@@ts4gv
That depends on what is meant by the term consciousness.
Indeed it is easy to imagine a case where thinking machines would never be classified as consciousness...but that does not change the fact that we are still left with only two options.
Either consciousness is computable...in which case there is an algorithm for it.
Or we define consciousness as not computable...which will mean we will never be able to define and quantify the difference between biological intelligence and machine intelligence.
It is really just a matter of preference.
@@memegazer One can imagine scenarios in which we could understand everything there is to know about consciousness, know that it cannot be generated from an algorithm on any machine, never have the tools to generate it ourselves (other than advanced cloning), and to be able to fully classify machine intelligence from biological intelligence.
Think along the lines of “consciousness juice” in the brain, or weird quantum level stuff-anything in which physical reality is essential to generating consciousness.
Unlikely, but a fun thought experiment. That’s my only point.
he's remembering really specifically lectures he went to 50 or so years ago, i think I forgot what they said in lectures as soon as I walked out
True, but I think being the mathematician that he is, these lectures are like attending an extremely memorable stage play. Science and math is his passion, so any memories/information related to that will be easily recalled.
dude, he got to go to a lecture from PAUL DIRAC! who wouldnt want to not forget it??
@@movin3148 this is what I was thinking, imagine sitting in with THE Paul Dirac? That’s like attending a lecture with Einstein or Newton. What an extremely memorable experience!
Joe Rogan introduced him and literally said nothing for 15 minutes lol Gold!
He prob thought the same as we all do. “Damn i feel dumb and I can’t see any opening on whatever i may ask” 🤣
Joe's face looks so stunned as if someone is explaining what a cellphone is to someone in Ancient Egypt.
Egyptians had wireless charging & electricity so not sure what's ur point
@@jacobhoover1654 he said ANCIENT Egypt
@@Sean-yr4se pyramids generated electricity, granite ionized the air & the dolomite increases conductivity.
@@jacobhoover1654 are you talking about an ANCIENT STONE PYRAMID?
@@Sean-yr4se slightly radioactive granite ionized air, internal dolomite plating is conductive & shields from cosmic Ray's while hiding background radiation from the granite.
Just for the record this is as close as you’re going to get to an interview with Einstein. Penrose is a HUGE name in math and physics. This is like bringing Grothendieck or Hilbert on the show.
This is such a great example of when someone is very smart and has a lot of experience with a subject that there is a lot doubt in truly knowing something and there is humility and integrity in saying he’s not sure.
absolute pursuit of truth requires no ego! i agree
This man has glimpsed something profound and deep about reality.
A visceral experience through and through.
This is so good I would pay 100 dollars for it. Joe's interviewing skills shine so bright here. His genuine interest in everything really fuels the dialogue...
I don’t have any money, but I’d pay at least 6 or 7 cool rocks I find about for it. Hell of a deal too.
@@tedseb7726since you guys can see it for free I will accept your money.😂
Oh wait you mean rocks… I couldn’t see anything but green for a second there.
"My mind sort of wandered at that point, I dont know what I was thinking about" such a deeply real and true statement about uni lectures lol
"I've read much of your work" = I read some articles about your work.
Maybe you lol
@@hamster2880 there’s absolutely no way that joe could read his published papers and understand them. More accurately “I have scanned a few of your papers and didn’t understand anything, can you explain in laymen’s terms?”😂
@@yaboi3445 he said read, not understood his work
Listening is an underrated skill.
Props to joe for letting his guest speak and not interrupting...
Joe couldn't interrupt as he didn't know wtf Penrose was talking about.
Bring this guy back for a whole month
“There’s something non-computable, something beyond computation…”
How profound is that!
Joe is awesome, he lets his guests actually talk and he is genuinely interested in what his guests have to say. He often gives his most intelligent guests new ways of thinking.
They spent 7 years trying to teach a dolphin to read. He just smiled, laughed and went about his way. The little snail in the corner of the tank, is now poised to take over the world.
I’m a graduate level math student right now. Penrose is a freaking genius and his research and work is used all over the place
I think the answer on consciousness should be searched via meditation and relaxation.
I once was relaxed so much that all i was left was a tiny spot of consciousness somewhere inside my brain. If you go that far weird stuff can happen.i had an out of body experience, probably stepped into another layer of this reality. My consciousness 100% for sure didnt fall asleep.
Opened my "eyes", somebody was already waiting for me, i was brought somewhere, was tested to see how i could hold myself when bombarded telephatically i think. Things work different there, more instantaneous, i failed and was brought back.
When i opened my eyes in this reality, i felt i hadnt slept, that this did happen and i was mentally soo drained i just broke down..
It was the toughest experience i ever had. We need to explore that place/state of being. I feel its important.
Hi! I know it’s been a long time since you commented, I’m just really curious about this subject :) do you believe where you went was real? Or do you think it was just an aspect of the brain?
@Hank do you believe where you go when you dream is real?
I think it's good to know that when dreaming, one's brain releases a few different chemicals to keep the body from moving and also to numb the mind so it can re-energize during sleep. I think when meditating, one isn't flooded with those chemicals and has a much clearer and imaginative view on their dream state, during the meditation. My point being that the clarity of meditative dreams might be so convincingly real feeling that it can be overwhelming. Compared to your sleepy drugged up dream state in sleep.
Bare in mind; I am a Christian, 7th day Adventist, so I believe consciousness to be extremely complex and completely reliant on the soul. I mean the visions that people speak of in the Bible are extremely representative of some meditative experiences.
Anyways, I hope that my words can help you with some new interpretation of what is maybe happening- or that I can invoke a new idea in your head that may lead you to a satisfactory conclusion 😊
Keep trying! Never stop trying! One day you’ll make it to the other side and be able to stay there for good! I’ve had very many similar experiences but not quite that far deep. 😊
Jaw dropped. I've experienced something eerily similar at a young age. If this is real, if you are still there, reply to me. If I could compare your experience with mine I might get closer to understanding just what it was.
The guy dresses up for Elon but looks like he just rolled out of bed for this fine gentleman
Lmfao
😂
Idk what's funnier your statement or the fact u remembered how he dressed
Yea I don't recall Joe dressing up for any guest lol but if he did it's the money I would imagine
This is a fucken old man mumlbing and bumbling about absolutely nothing at all...
Well I imagine it's not easy understanding what he does :/
One Love
"I don't want to make a statement I don't really know" I respect these guys so much for this as much as I do for their brilliance
It's amazing to see someone this old who has dedicated their life to an understanding for the greater society. Edit: I think my liver is conscious on some small level. It has handled a lot.
Knowledge talks, wisdom listens.
🚫🧢
It's amazing to me how precise about his use of terminology.
His personality has been shaped with mathematical logic
this is the individual that should have had a discussion w elon musk about the future of AI and humanity, not jack ma.
Kevin Parsley Don’t mix science and marketing ;)
Guccifer 808 elon musk is a physicist, mathematicians and physicists have pretty similar iq, on average
I remember that one. It was so cringeworthy and it really exposed the fact that Jack Ma was simply out of his depth.
to hell with Elon musk why do people worship that guy
@@andrewaronson3364 are you that cave diver guy?
Will need to listen to this again a few times to comprehend it lol
He didn't explain it. Don't waste your time
What I got from this is basically Microtubials are responsible for consciousness, but we can never recreate consciousness with mathematics and we lack much of an understanding of what consciousness actually is, but we see Fibonacci sequences in the Microtubials which we think has something to do with where our conscious experience originates
did you?
basically he just kicks the can down the road, when you deny god its impossible to explain conscionus... ps: I DONt WANT an argument but a god debate with facts please.....
@@NewWorldStoner microtubules
"I'm a big fan of your work. I've read much of your work." - Joe Rogan, nicest guy in all of GR.
You don't comb the mirror, you comb your own hair and the mirror changes.
wut?
Consciousness trying to figure out what consciousness is, is like a finger tip trying to touch itself.
@@philipmolokwu9271 or an ear trying to hear itself or a toungue trying to taste itself or a nose.....
Philip Anthropist nice metaphor but it doesn’t quite work. There are more than 1 of the thing. It’s a fingertip trying to touch someone else’s fingertip and that is indeed very manageable
Philip Anthropist If thats the case then I must be a miracle
I feel like this guy should be reading bedtime stories
This was my bedtime story.
Math was always so hard for me in school , good study habits helped me pass other than that I never wanna see high level math problems again.
All the great minds Joe has on from Britain makes me so proud to be an Englishman.
It’s amazing how many people think Joe is a big moron. In every interview I’ve seen, regardless of how big the genius, he seems to be able to wrap his mind around the concepts the guest talks about. He may ask a lot of questions and use stupid analogies, but he’s not dumb. He’s also not dumb just because he’s done drugs or smokes pot. His vocabulary is somewhat limited but he explains his own views and asks questions well. And is ALWAYS GENUINELY interested in what the guest has to say. He’s not dumb; quite the contrary.
Who says he is dumb ? I haven’t heard that . I agree with the rest u said .
Never heard of anyone thinking Joe is dumb lol
He isn’t dumb at all sometimes we can’t grasp on what to say joe is very smart I would say he is really really aware also
Joe is definitely super smart, normally and socially. Feminists and people like that call joe dumb and stuff for saying things like - men who turn into girls shouldn’t be allowed in women’s sport.
Joe is far from dumb, he may not know the actual names of concepts or equation because he is not a specialist in that field but he understands the concept quite well and summarize them into ways we all can understand. People who think that he is dumb are probably the dumb ones 😂
This is one of the better and well done Joe Rogan podcast interviews.
Always been intrigued by ‘consciousness’ and how it fits in terms of existentialism. No MD’s in psychiatry can actually define or say. Yet, the common man will tell you that there is a connection between consciousness and the soul. Lot’s of luck getting a scientific explanation on that!
The soul could be completely explained scientifically.. like he explains in this interview, that understanding of what consciousness is, is beyond the scope of current mathematical, macro or quantum physics and it needs more research. Don't be ignorant
Even in the show breaking bad Walt and his Colleague could get it down to a mathematical number but could not say exactly what it was. If Hollywood looks at it that way I doubt mainstream science sees it no different.
Joe’s face starting at 10:23 is golden. Anybody who’s tried to understand and explain consciousness to somebody in this type of way will understand.
Im a novice in this subject, but this man was incredible and it got me thinking: if there are different types of microtubules (if i understood that correctly), and they exist on every cell in the body, then could it be that their symmetrical pattern, combined with location, electromagnetic pull and grey matter in the brain act as a pyramid creating a sort of ignition to the microtubules in the brain. Being that some regions dont appear to be/act consciously, perhaps these tubules are constantly morphing, moving from on, off, and superposition, creating a conscious spark whilst in superposition. Depending on engraved neural pathways, the tubules will decide when to switch on conscious experiences in the cerebrum (conscious, decision making) and cerebellum (subconscious, or flow). Therefore intelligence is simply microtubules harmoniously acting in superposition to produce more conscious experiences in more regions of the brain, and the same is true conversely. Just my thoughts tonight
I’m sure there’s an answer/explanation to your thought question, hopefully one day we can answer it
He wins the Nobel Prize and I wanted to hear him talking to JR, again.
Imagine Joe after his soliloquy:
"have you tried DMT?"
Yesss
Lmfao Roger would formulate a universal theory of reality if he tripped on DMY
I studied quantum physics at Cambridge University and I remember when hearing about quantum entanglement and also particles acting differently when being observed for the first time it blew my mind at what goes on at the quantum level. And even to this day quantum physics can always end up mesmerising me
Sure ya did😂
Cambridge grad with the grammar of a wooden spoon
I always thought that quantum particles acted differently when being observed because the very act of "observing" modifies the system, like shooting a light wave in the system and wait for the light to come back to know what is going on there, by the time the light is back the system was modified by said light.
He won the Nobel Prize
For what
@@agnosticpreacher6911 physics
Most of the most influential mathematicians alive. Not just some mathematician. Sir Roger Penrose. Legend.
First line
"Everyone should hv an opinion because we are all conscious "
💯% agree with him
Man I love Joe's curiosity! His attentive face throughout th interview says it all
You can literally hear Joe concentrating on what this man is saying. It's fascinating.
The amount of topics he covers is awesome. Unreal.
Joe you gotta interview him again! You must hear him talk about his model of Conformal Cyclic Cosmology, which claims there is evidence of supermassive black hole collisions in the cosmic microwave background radiation in the form of concentric circles from a previous universe. The theory says the absolute end of the universe (all black holes evaporate and nothing of mass exists) is conformally identical to the big bang. So the entire known cosmos from big bang to end is nothing but a series of infinite universes occurring one after another. Super interesting and IT MAKES SENSE!
The latest Webb telescope images point to the fact that there is some merit to his theory.
"The rules are true because one believes they are true."
I've always had this thought and feeling but never explored it because I just wanted to pass my math classes.
VTS -NL "this system is designed to limit the potential of the individual by 90%" -Graham Hancock
Xavier Gordon reminds me of the scene in The Matrix when the kid is bending the spoon in front of Neo.
Well the rules (of mathematics, simplified) also haven't let us down ever since the greeks were doing math with only circles and lines, no numbers or anything else really.
@@allesklarklaus147 yeah thats pure mathematics. Applies mathematics is what you were taught in school. Pure mathematics is truly reflective of the universe.
What would high school math be like if we got to put more focus into questioning it's applications and validity? I would've loved math
These interviews with smart, sciency people are the best interviews!
Joe Rogan brings top quality people to his podcast, actual scholars rather than insta models and rappers
What's wrong with musicians?
Yeah cause everyone knows rappers can’t be interesting people with a lot to say. Wtf? Haha
@@saheruthepharaoh I didn't mean it in an offensive way everyone quick to take things in negatively. I just mean it's rare to see mainstream podcasters bringing scholars on to their show that it's. I ain't got nothing against anyone
@@partylover61 I didn’t take it negatively just didn’t really know what was meant by that haha but I can see how I came across passive aggressively. i definitely know what you mean and I agree :) it’s refreshing. It’s why I love his podcast. Such a wide range of different professions and walks of life. He’s really living the dream.
waiting for Joe to say "how are things in the shire?"
lionaudio 😂😂
For anyone confused. Goldbach’s conjecture states that any even number can be expressed the sum of two prime numbers: 12 = 7+5 etc.
Mathematically this is either true or false? Though the ‘truth’ is that it is undecidable as we will never run out of numbers to test. Forever a mystery, a question which can never be inequitably answered, a question of faith and a metaphor for the truth of our lives. We must learn to live with ambiguity. Or put another way, we are not machines, our brains are not computers, or steam engines or made of clockwork, we are living organism, we are animal! (Chimps)
I disagree. All that's truly known about the mind and matter of conciousness is that we know little at all.. Yet.
It's a matter of measuring the synapse and neural networks in the brain. Once we develop the tools to do that, we will likely be able to map the mind and reconstruct an artificial conciousness.. I don't think we are magical animals. I think we are organic, biological machines and we can be synthetically emulated..
But as of right now, it is all just conjecture.. None of us really know for sure..
Sammy Smith
Quantic as in, influenced by our internal and external environments..? By the shortcuts of paradigms that our old and new emotions cause?...
Hmm 🤔 sounds familiar to some intelligent MAN ( not woman or little girl) named Ryan.
this guy hasnt taken a proofs course. lmao
see euclid's proof that there are infinite primes
@@gstylez0107 do you have strong proofs of that we are biological machine or is it just intuintional?
"Mathematician" to indicate one of the greatest minds we'll ever get to witness in our lifetimes is quite reductive to say the least. Sir Roger Penrose is a global treasure
This is absolutely fascinating. I'm immediately turning to the full podcast after the clip finishes
Roger Penrose is one of the greatest physicists alive. All his books are great reads.
Consciousness is associated with “Thinking” and is independent of “Thinking”.
This thought is understood only by Consciousness.
Success! This morning I finally managed to get both my shoe laces the same length before tying them together. Bliss!