I actually think the doc wife character is acting like a rlly good person/very intelligent. Accepts self responsibility, understands consequences of the mistake, and regrets it with a high level of understanding the severity of what occurred. If I met her in real life I’d respect her a lot, as many people lack that skill. Admirable.
And they even said that the irregularity wouldn't even have been detected 4 years earlier. So, she wouldn't have any reason NOT to think it was LB dementia. Now that she knows it, they can correct it.
She also ensured multiple second opinions, not only a single one she walked through, but multiple individuals had a look, and with medications to a condition which can only degenerate there were no indicators or expectations of improvement to contradict expectations and run an additional brain scan. This was an intense, honest, misdiagnosis; and one she didn't feel embarrassment towards, but guilt. And there's something this show doesn't touch now. Now he can recover, possibly begin working again, she can come out of retirement, and they still have multiple years together. Her confidence, will likely take a very hard hit from this misdiagnosis, but she can still consult or do clinical work again.
@@nancyomalley6286 right only thing she might have to blame herself for is turning down ct scans for the last 4 years. Assuming doctors recommended them and she refused them it wasn't really clear and I am not a doctor.
I love how the wife/actress of the wife is demonstrating a different side to how patients loved ones react to these sorts of things, not everyone breaks down crying and hysterical after a while.
Grief or dealing with a loved ones illness has a varied range of emotions. Ones you couldn’t even guess before they happen. When my mom was sick from cancer and eventually passed from cancer, I went through emotions and reactions I didn’t even realize were a thing or normal in the least. And went through different emotions about every few minutes in the beginning. Grief is a weird thing and ever changing.
I like DR. Charles reminding her she’s only human, and we all make mistakes. The wife didn’t know, and it’s not her fault; she was just doing what she thought was right.
Misdiagnosis is so hard, for everyone. And it's not just hard to forgive for getting it wrong, it's guilt for the time spent in pain with the wrong treatment that could have been prevented.
I was diagnosed bipolar when I was in my early 20s and instead of treating the real problem (C-PTSD) I was given a medication that made me feel even worse. My psychiatrist told me every session to “just give it time” and I stayed on it for eight months. I finally just got a different psychiatrist.
@@eileensnow6153 I was on a medication for Bipolar and Schizophrenia (Atypical Antipsychotic) and it made me feel like crap and even gave me tardive dyskinesia. I got on something else a few months ago and I feel amazing
At least she was smart enough to reach for second opinions and be glad that other try to help. No anger that MRI was takes behind her back, only pure concern for her husband well being. She worked with the data she had and was able to accept new information.
Most def agree and that is what I call an intelligent person who thinks with her head and not feelings (not saying she didnt feel anything tho). Being able to keep levelheaded and not being controlled by emotions in these kinds of situations is not something everybody can do, but its what makes most sense imo.
Exactly. None of this was really her fault, she was doing what she believed was best with the knowledge she had as well as other doctors’ advice. And like you said, she was 100% on board to listen to the new information she received and implement it so her husband could receive the best care. She did what any good doctor AND good wife would do in her situation. Sometimes, a lot of time, misdiagnoses just happen. Some diseases can resemble another totally different illness. Even good doctors can make mistakes.
Honestly nobody can really be at fault for the misdiagnosis, she got a second and third opinion which both came back with the same conclusion, and she also fully accepted the responsibility and consequences, shes a good doctor regardless
I'm referring to the unbridled guilt that she holds for misdianosing her husband. Same applies to a doctor who performed a surgery on their child or other family member and that relative died on the table. Second opinions or not.
I mean she got the second and third opinion, so that’s the same as having a doctor diagnose then get a second opinion, so it’s no different to just researching your symptoms and taking your suspicions to a doctor
I do like that his wife owned up to her misdiagnosis....she seems to genuinely care and understand the consequences. The treatments for Lewy Body Dimentia could've seriously harmed him and his healing.
I mean, you’d think the fact that she got a second AND third opinion, which all agreed, would help assuage her guilt a bit. It’s not like she just came up with a diagnosis and assumed she was right. Tho I’m sure it would be little comfort in such a situation ^^;
Same here. And it's not just forgiveness for getting it wrong, it's guilt for the time spent in pain with the wrong treatment that could have been prevented.
This happened to me. My mom was having severe diarrhea for a few days and refused to go to the doctor, so on the day she almost died I got her some pedialyte that happened to be red. A few hours later, she tells me her diarrhea was bright red in color. I assumed it was food coloring and told her that if she didn’t feel better we needed to get her to urgent care in the morning because I was concerned about her beginning to exhibit signs of dehydration. Thirty minutes later I found her unconscious on the bathroom floor covered in blood, and the toilet was FILLED with blood. Diverticular disease with peritonitis. If I hadn’t checked on her she would’ve died from hypovolemic shock. I still carry the guilt of that with me even though I got an ambulance to the house almost immediately and they gave her a transfusion. Seeing her like that and feeling like I made it much worse than it had to be… it’s definitely left me traumatized. Edit: she was diagnosed with pancreatic cancer on March 3rd. Crazy to look back at this post and think that I could’ve prevented any of this from happening.
Don't blame yourself. These diseases can be in hiding and don't show until the body can no longer compensate and the symptoms show. Sadly there are many people that get misdiagnosed all the time and even don't go and get help cause they believe that it can be treated at home. Sometimes what we eat or drink can show up at the other end and we think either its the worst case or nothing to be worried about. I looked after a man that was like my dad for 3 weeks while he was bed ridden (he was a double leg amputee) and he had wounds on his backside. At the time I had not realised that severe fungal infection could cause serious wounds and in this case it did. Also, poor hygiene was a problem (hand hygiene that is) and so it led to a cascade effect where he ended up in hospital. Now, he had almost recovered with me as the wounds had been improving but it was too early and the condition came back with a vegence. He was in hospital and things did get worse. He passed away 14 weeks later. Don't beat yourself up. You managed to find her when she needed it the most.
I'm no doc, but I've known someone with Diverticular Disease. It happens because of pouches in the colon that form in around 1/20 people, and only 1/4 of those people get symptoms. The majority of people aren't harmed by these pouches. However, when they are harmed, it's usually sudden. All it could take is a bit of food happening to end up in there, and boom - you've got an infection. The second the infection is symptomatic, the colon is already weakened. Once it's weak, any significant strain could cause a hole - then you get the bleeding. You bleed out into the abdomen, the infection can spread. Now, answer me this - when have you ever gotten Diarrhoea and thought it was because of little pouches in your colon? Probably never. I never have. Most people probably never have or will. Even if you somehow knew it was possible, the second she showed symptoms the Diverticular disease was already present. It's not something with an easy fix if you catch it early, either. Nothing you could've done short of scanning her colon regularly could've picked up on the formation of the pouches - but even if you did, those sections of colon would have to be removed to prevent any possible issue. The blood was the first sign something was actually wrong - and again, it doesn't matter how early you got her help after it started, the bacteria probably made it out of the colon within seconds of the bleed starting. The only thing you could prevent at that point was complications from blood loss - and although she did pass out, it doesn't sound like she had any long term complications resulting from the blood loss. As for the Cancer... that is likely not related at all. The point is this - you are not a medical professional - Until the bleeding started, there wasn't a significant reason to believe her life was in danger, and when the bleeding did start, you got her the help she needed, and she survived. You did all that you could've done, and your actions allowed her life to be saved. Without you, she wouldn't have survived. You know it deep down. "If I hadn’t checked on her she would’ve died" It's far easier for me to say than it is for you to forgive yourself - I have been there - but you did everything that anyone could ever ask of you.
If you are having bad diarrhea, you should always go to a hospital or doctors and get checked out. If anything at all, ever, seems abnormal within your body and the way you feel, it’s always important to get help immediately.
Exactly why people should remember it is called “practicing medicine” for a reason. We as a human species still have A LOT to learn when it comes to our bodies and medicine. We’ve made great advances in medicine but have only seen the tip of the iceberg absolutely.
They call medicine "practicing" for a reason, not only did she misdiagnose him so did 2 other doctors. I have been misdiagnosed numerous times by different doctors.. My first episode lasted 7 months, my intestines burst but 5 different doctors missed it, I suffered with peritonitis (a deadly disease) for 7 months before I went to a surgeon and begged him to fix me.. He operated 2 days later and removed 3.5 ft of my intestines and told my husband I shouldn't be alive, no one has ever survived peritonitis 😢. I did, that was over 15 years ago,I still have issues from it but I'm alive🙏🙏. Thank God for my surgeon, Dr Clifford Thompson an awesome man of God.
I don’t think your reasoning for why they call it practicing is correct. It sounds like you’re saying it’s called practicing bc they make mistakes, every profession makes mistakes including doctors. Medical information changes, people make new discoveries, etc. it’s called practicing bc practicing means to perform or carrying out medical services.
It took 6 doctors to finally diagnose my 17 year old son with GBS 7 years ago-recently my son had Covid and has been unable to walk unassisted,coughing,headaches,dizziness,nausea he’s had so many scans and bloodwork and just saw a second neuromuscular doctor who looked at me and said “there’s nothing on his scans so I don’t know what’s wrong with him?” I drove over 2 hours to have this “Doctor” tell me there is nothing wrong with my son I was so furious because he didn’t ask any questions and didn’t come up with any ideas or solutions to figure this out he just sat there like a dummy who reads what’s on his computer-I won’t stop just like the first time to get answers
You are not alone here. I have many many many friends who have similar symptoms after COVID, or have family members with similar symptoms. They often have the same experience with doctors. It's tragic. We decided to let it rip, before we had a clue how to help people like your son. I think people should be in jail for that.
In a different style of show, i can imagine the story being that the wife misdiagnosed him on purpose to control him and being charged with medical spousal abuse.
misdiagnosis is really a hard case, what's even harder is when the one she misdiagnosed is the love of her life. it will haunt her for the rest of her life, a regret that she probably will be carrying till her death.
It took me ten years to be diagnosed with hyperparathyroidism. No doctors could figure out what was wrong with me. I researched non stop before finally coming up with my own diagnosis. The doctors then performed the right tests. Thank god I found a wonderful surgeon also.
My poor mother kept on being misdiagnosed as psychotic by doctors and being drugged up for it, but her mother (my grandmother) had to keep explaining to the doctors that she wasn't. She'd had her thyroid removed (Graves disease) and was basically never given thyroxine tablets (to give her the hormone as her own body couldn't produce it with the thyroid gone), as a result she suffered from underactive thyroid which can lead to psychosis. My grandmother had to explain that to several doctors, who'd never heard of thyroid related psychosis. But it still took several years for my mum to finally be given the right medication for it, she even had a psychotic episode when I was a child (I wasn't hurt as my mum made sure I was safe before she fully broke down) and it was only after that point that she finally got all the meds she needed for her thyroid and could move on with her life.
There are so many heartless physicians fast fooding people through the health systems it's mind blowing. So many have suffered misdiagnosis or never even being listened to. Its terrifying those type of sociopaths can have a heavy hand in how you function or even live. Then, you get a reminder that there are really good doctors still in the world too. Driven to save as many lives as they possibly can. The one who cry when a patient dies or shouts unto glory when one pulls through. Those superheroes make mistakes, honest heartbreaking mistakes too. This was a very sad and unfortunate mistake, she just didn't have enough data to decifer the subtle differences. We all face those harsh awarenesses every day... The ShouldaCouldaWouldas. All you can do is the best you can with what you know and what you have access to. Some days you can give it your all and you still won't make the goal. All we can do is our best while hoping for the best results.
a lot of them don't have a choice. in non-private hospitals and clinics, doctors usually get assigned 10 minutes per patient. i.e. their bosses tell them that they *have to* get you seen and out the door in 10 minutes or less. the receptionists are told they *have to* take bookings with that shedule in mind. any extra time the doctor spends with a patient is taking away time from the next person, or takes away the time the doctor would use for a toilet break or lunch. some doctors will still try their best, but many will just give up and focus on sticking to the schedule because they just don't have the mental fortitude to fight against the system
Oh my gosh! I was just diagnosed with hyperparathyroidism. Surgery next month. I will say, the symptoms are rough. And it can mimic many things in the early stages. This TV patient went so long with toxic calcium levels (and the beta blocker didn't help). Scary how far it can go! Never thought I'd see my diagnosis on a medical show. And it was good to see the actress from Criminal Minds!
If I'm not mistaken, Robin Williams was diagnosed first with Parkinson's, then with LBD, and that was why he took his own life. LBD is worse than Parkinson's. My dad died of Parkinson's, and he was a doctor, his wife a nurse, but I don't think even they knew how bad Parkinson's could get. In the end, my dad had withered to looking like a Holocaust prisoner, and was in so much pain a triple dose of morphine didn't make a dent in it. And I picked up the feeling from him, in my last days with him, that he felt horrible that his loved ones saw him like that. Because even now, almost a decade later, when his family is remembering the good times, the torment he went through is never far behind in our thoughts. I treasure every second I had with my father, but I sometimes wish he had died of something else a few years into his diagnosis, before things got really bad. Because my extra time with him wasn't worth him going through that pain, and I know he'd rather we'd not seen him that way. I'll just say it. I think Robin Williams made a brave choice. He spared his family horrific pain-and if you haven't lost someone you love to a wasting disease, you cannot rightfully judge someone who has. I believe Robim wanted to be remembered as he was, and spare his family losing him, little by little to escalating pain and loss of self. I know I'll get hate for saying that. No one wanted to lose Robin Williams. He was a genuine treasure of a person. And I don't condone unaliving oneself in general...but...how shall I put this... I think there are dark places we (humans) can find ourselves in that we can never find our way out of, and when all other efforts (therapy, medications, support, family/friends, etc.) have made no difference, will never make a difference, then there are very rare instances, when moving on to the next plane of existence may be the only choice. Now, I don't believe souls only live one life. But that's me, I don't say anyone else has to think that. But it makes my view of death a little different. So if you want to think of me as a whackadoodle, go right ahead. To me the strongest and most important beliefs we have are the ones that come from our observations and experiences in life. That's where mine come from. But feel free to disagree. And yes, I have lost people to suicide. So please know that none of my thoughts on it are glib or from lack of that type of loss. Okay, I'll end this essay here. Apologies to anyone this offends, I'm truly sorry. But watching this video just brought it all flooding to the front of my brain, and I had to put it out there. I hope no one who reads this goes through the kind of loss I and so many others have. Blessed be.
This is the reason why medical ethics state a physician should not generally treat themselves or their immediate family. Only in isolated emergency situations where no other qualified physician is available. Professional objectivity can be compromised by emotions and their personal feelings can unduly compromise the patient care. I'm going out on a limb and saying Chicago probably has at least a few people qualified to independently examine, diagnose and offer treatment. This is also why physicians often use a differential diagnosis to create a list of conditions sharing symptoms and narrow down the diagnosis via testing
Dr Charles said that 4 years ago when he was diagnosed the spot on his brain would've been so small no machine would've picked it up. So the scans were probably misread.
@@cameronfarias7992 perhaps, realistically though it probably wouldn’t have happened. You would want to monitor progress of disease over time. I love the show regardless 😊
Yeah I caught that, too. Regardless you would think he'd have regular MRIs 😅 Although, I got a TBI in a car accident and got an eye injury as well and they didn't do an x-ray, CT or MRI at the ER. I didn't think of it because, well, I was so out of it. I couldn't even believe it, and once I came to my senses it was way too late.
I get it. She's a neurologist, consulted 2 more and all agreed on LBD. But she really didn't even consider doing an MRI to be totally sure? Just because he presents the symptoms doesn't mean it's 100% that disease
I’m confused. They know she is a doctor but refer to her as “Mrs” instead of “Dr”. Is this usual in the US or is it possibly because she is not in the role of a doctor, but a loved one?
She isn't practicing medicine anyone because she retired to take care of her husband. Even if she didn't retire, right now, her role's the patient's spouse.
@@Eventidesis that doesn’t matter, the title doctor is given to anyone with a doctorate. Retired or not. You can be a doctor of engineering or archeology or mathematics.
I can imagine it becoming confusing to other doctors who don't know or other patients if they start calling her doctor in a hospital setting. People will mistake her for someone who works there, so in this instance I can understand why they didn't call her Dr.
I know that some people say oh in a certain situation somebody can care for their family know there’s never a situation where a doctor can care for their family or friends, the reason that is a rule is because you’re emotionally wrapped up in that person you don’t wanna do anything that’ll compromise their life but sometimes you have to in order to make somebody better sometimes unfortunately someone’s gonna have deficits from the surgery that Hass to happen and a friend of that person might not wanna perform that surgery but that might be what killed them
as much as i’d like to say doctors should spend every second of every day figuring out for sure what is wrong with someone it’s sadly just not feasible. don’t get me wrong there are serious cases of gross negligence on doctors parts when it comes to diagnosing patients but a lot of the time doctors are faced with dozens of patients daily and as the saying goes “if it looks like a duck and quacks like a duck it’s a duck” (this has been used lately for gross bigotry but in this context it is meant to imply doctors will often accept the first obvious answer) just because they don’t have all the time in the world to find out a patient is experiencing something really rare or abnormal. it’s so sad and so tough but a typical doctor isn’t prepared for special cases.
I actually think the doc wife character is acting like a rlly good person/very intelligent. Accepts self responsibility, understands consequences of the mistake, and regrets it with a high level of understanding the severity of what occurred. If I met her in real life I’d respect her a lot, as many people lack that skill. Admirable.
I agree as others don’t I do . I find this episode very interesting for This reason
And they even said that the irregularity wouldn't even have been detected 4 years earlier. So, she wouldn't have any reason NOT to think it was LB dementia. Now that she knows it, they can correct it.
Eeyup.
She also ensured multiple second opinions, not only a single one she walked through, but multiple individuals had a look, and with medications to a condition which can only degenerate there were no indicators or expectations of improvement to contradict expectations and run an additional brain scan.
This was an intense, honest, misdiagnosis; and one she didn't feel embarrassment towards, but guilt. And there's something this show doesn't touch now.
Now he can recover, possibly begin working again, she can come out of retirement, and they still have multiple years together. Her confidence, will likely take a very hard hit from this misdiagnosis, but she can still consult or do clinical work again.
@@nancyomalley6286 right only thing she might have to blame herself for is turning down ct scans for the last 4 years. Assuming doctors recommended them and she refused them it wasn't really clear and I am not a doctor.
I love how the wife/actress of the wife is demonstrating a different side to how patients loved ones react to these sorts of things, not everyone breaks down crying and hysterical after a while.
I think it helps she's seen these problems and knows it's really not his fault
Grief or dealing with a loved ones illness has a varied range of emotions. Ones you couldn’t even guess before they happen. When my mom was sick from cancer and eventually passed from cancer, I went through emotions and reactions I didn’t even realize were a thing or normal in the least. And went through different emotions about every few minutes in the beginning. Grief is a weird thing and ever changing.
Eeyup. My mom helps my step dad out a lot with his medical issues when they flare up, because she’s seen her fair share in the ER.
I like DR. Charles reminding her she’s only human, and we all make mistakes. The wife didn’t know, and it’s not her fault; she was just doing what she thought was right.
Don’t forget those two second opinions made the same false conclusion.
Misdiagnosis is so hard, for everyone. And it's not just hard to forgive for getting it wrong, it's guilt for the time spent in pain with the wrong treatment that could have been prevented.
I was diagnosed bipolar when I was in my early 20s and instead of treating the real problem (C-PTSD) I was given a medication that made me feel even worse. My psychiatrist told me every session to “just give it time” and I stayed on it for eight months. I finally just got a different psychiatrist.
@@eileensnow6153 I was on a medication for Bipolar and Schizophrenia (Atypical Antipsychotic) and it made me feel like crap and even gave me tardive dyskinesia. I got on something else a few months ago and I feel amazing
@@Stardust_Vega is tardive dyskinesia the weird muscle twitches I used to get in my arms??
@@eileensnow6153 possibly! Mine affected my face 😭 and I was very self conscious about it.
At least she was smart enough to reach for second opinions and be glad that other try to help. No anger that MRI was takes behind her back, only pure concern for her husband well being. She worked with the data she had and was able to accept new information.
Most def agree and that is what I call an intelligent person who thinks with her head and not feelings (not saying she didnt feel anything tho). Being able to keep levelheaded and not being controlled by emotions in these kinds of situations is not something everybody can do, but its what makes most sense imo.
Exactly. None of this was really her fault, she was doing what she believed was best with the knowledge she had as well as other doctors’ advice. And like you said, she was 100% on board to listen to the new information she received and implement it so her husband could receive the best care. She did what any good doctor AND good wife would do in her situation.
Sometimes, a lot of time, misdiagnoses just happen. Some diseases can resemble another totally different illness. Even good doctors can make mistakes.
Honestly nobody can really be at fault for the misdiagnosis, she got a second and third opinion which both came back with the same conclusion, and she also fully accepted the responsibility and consequences, shes a good doctor regardless
There's a reason doctors shouldn't treat or diagnose family, friends, or spouses.
She did get 2 other opinions
tunnel vision affects results in all areas
She was aware of it and did get second opinions
I'm referring to the unbridled guilt that she holds for misdianosing her husband. Same applies to a doctor who performed a surgery on their child or other family member and that relative died on the table. Second opinions or not.
I mean she got the second and third opinion, so that’s the same as having a doctor diagnose then get a second opinion, so it’s no different to just researching your symptoms and taking your suspicions to a doctor
I do like that his wife owned up to her misdiagnosis....she seems to genuinely care and understand the consequences. The treatments for Lewy Body Dimentia could've seriously harmed him and his healing.
I mean, you’d think the fact that she got a second AND third opinion, which all agreed, would help assuage her guilt a bit. It’s not like she just came up with a diagnosis and assumed she was right. Tho I’m sure it would be little comfort in such a situation ^^;
Like the good doc said, he would have agreed with her too at the time. It’s a tricky business sometimes.
And he even said that making a scan during the initial diagnosis wouldn’t have shown her anything to make her think otherwise
Doesn't matter if she got 20 second opinions, she's just sad that any were needed at all, and things could have been different.
I’ve also been dealt a misdiagnosis. Not as bad as this, but you have to learn to forgive yourself. Especially in situations like this.
Same here. And it's not just forgiveness for getting it wrong, it's guilt for the time spent in pain with the wrong treatment that could have been prevented.
This happened to me. My mom was having severe diarrhea for a few days and refused to go to the doctor, so on the day she almost died I got her some pedialyte that happened to be red. A few hours later, she tells me her diarrhea was bright red in color. I assumed it was food coloring and told her that if she didn’t feel better we needed to get her to urgent care in the morning because I was concerned about her beginning to exhibit signs of dehydration. Thirty minutes later I found her unconscious on the bathroom floor covered in blood, and the toilet was FILLED with blood. Diverticular disease with peritonitis. If I hadn’t checked on her she would’ve died from hypovolemic shock. I still carry the guilt of that with me even though I got an ambulance to the house almost immediately and they gave her a transfusion. Seeing her like that and feeling like I made it much worse than it had to be… it’s definitely left me traumatized.
Edit: she was diagnosed with pancreatic cancer on March 3rd. Crazy to look back at this post and think that I could’ve prevented any of this from happening.
It wasn't your fault please don't blame yourselfx
Don't blame yourself. These diseases can be in hiding and don't show until the body can no longer compensate and the symptoms show. Sadly there are many people that get misdiagnosed all the time and even don't go and get help cause they believe that it can be treated at home. Sometimes what we eat or drink can show up at the other end and we think either its the worst case or nothing to be worried about. I looked after a man that was like my dad for 3 weeks while he was bed ridden (he was a double leg amputee) and he had wounds on his backside. At the time I had not realised that severe fungal infection could cause serious wounds and in this case it did. Also, poor hygiene was a problem (hand hygiene that is) and so it led to a cascade effect where he ended up in hospital. Now, he had almost recovered with me as the wounds had been improving but it was too early and the condition came back with a vegence. He was in hospital and things did get worse. He passed away 14 weeks later. Don't beat yourself up. You managed to find her when she needed it the most.
I know this is irrelevant, but your writing style is really good. You write like an author.
I'm no doc, but I've known someone with Diverticular Disease.
It happens because of pouches in the colon that form in around 1/20 people, and only 1/4 of those people get symptoms. The majority of people aren't harmed by these pouches.
However, when they are harmed, it's usually sudden. All it could take is a bit of food happening to end up in there, and boom - you've got an infection.
The second the infection is symptomatic, the colon is already weakened. Once it's weak, any significant strain could cause a hole - then you get the bleeding. You bleed out into the abdomen, the infection can spread.
Now, answer me this - when have you ever gotten Diarrhoea and thought it was because of little pouches in your colon? Probably never. I never have. Most people probably never have or will.
Even if you somehow knew it was possible, the second she showed symptoms the Diverticular disease was already present. It's not something with an easy fix if you catch it early, either. Nothing you could've done short of scanning her colon regularly could've picked up on the formation of the pouches - but even if you did, those sections of colon would have to be removed to prevent any possible issue.
The blood was the first sign something was actually wrong - and again, it doesn't matter how early you got her help after it started, the bacteria probably made it out of the colon within seconds of the bleed starting. The only thing you could prevent at that point was complications from blood loss - and although she did pass out, it doesn't sound like she had any long term complications resulting from the blood loss.
As for the Cancer... that is likely not related at all.
The point is this - you are not a medical professional - Until the bleeding started, there wasn't a significant reason to believe her life was in danger, and when the bleeding did start, you got her the help she needed, and she survived. You did all that you could've done, and your actions allowed her life to be saved. Without you, she wouldn't have survived.
You know it deep down. "If I hadn’t checked on her she would’ve died"
It's far easier for me to say than it is for you to forgive yourself - I have been there - but you did everything that anyone could ever ask of you.
If you are having bad diarrhea, you should always go to a hospital or doctors and get checked out. If anything at all, ever, seems abnormal within your body and the way you feel, it’s always important to get help immediately.
I remember this actress playing Straus in Criminal Minds! It’s great to see her in another role of a more likable character lol
Right because she killed my like of her from free Willy with her role on CM, glad to see her like this💜
My thoughts exactly lol 😆
strauss had so much potential to become a good character then they cut her short!
Thank you! I knew she looked familiar.
Exactly! I really disliked Straus!
him screaming his wifes name just breaks my heart
We are only human. Even doctors can be wrong the only issue is when they're wrong it has dire consequences
Exactly why people should remember it is called “practicing medicine” for a reason. We as a human species still have A LOT to learn when it comes to our bodies and medicine. We’ve made great advances in medicine but have only seen the tip of the iceberg absolutely.
They call medicine "practicing" for a reason, not only did she misdiagnose him so did 2 other doctors. I have been misdiagnosed numerous times by different doctors.. My first episode lasted 7 months, my intestines burst but 5 different doctors missed it, I suffered with peritonitis (a deadly disease) for 7 months before I went to a surgeon and begged him to fix me.. He operated 2 days later and removed 3.5 ft of my intestines and told my husband I shouldn't be alive, no one has ever survived peritonitis 😢. I did, that was over 15 years ago,I still have issues from it but I'm alive🙏🙏. Thank God for my surgeon, Dr Clifford Thompson an awesome man of God.
Dang. May you love many more years
Sorry you went thru that, but people survive peritonitis every day. While it can be life threatening, it’s def not a death sentence.
I don’t think your reasoning for why they call it practicing is correct. It sounds like you’re saying it’s called practicing bc they make mistakes, every profession makes mistakes including doctors. Medical information changes, people make new discoveries, etc. it’s called practicing bc practicing means to perform or carrying out medical services.
It took 6 doctors to finally diagnose my 17 year old son with GBS 7 years ago-recently my son had Covid and has been unable to walk unassisted,coughing,headaches,dizziness,nausea he’s had so many scans and bloodwork and just saw a second neuromuscular doctor who looked at me and said “there’s nothing on his scans so I don’t know what’s wrong with him?” I drove over 2 hours to have this “Doctor” tell me there is nothing wrong with my son I was so furious because he didn’t ask any questions and didn’t come up with any ideas or solutions to figure this out he just sat there like a dummy who reads what’s on his computer-I won’t stop just like the first time to get answers
You are not alone here. I have many many many friends who have similar symptoms after COVID, or have family members with similar symptoms. They often have the same experience with doctors. It's tragic. We decided to let it rip, before we had a clue how to help people like your son. I think people should be in jail for that.
You can literally hear the fear in himself 😭😭😭😭😭
Oliver Platt is excellent in his role as "Dr. Charles". Brilliant.
In a different style of show, i can imagine the story being that the wife misdiagnosed him on purpose to control him and being charged with medical spousal abuse.
misdiagnosis is really a hard case, what's even harder is when the one she misdiagnosed is the love of her life. it will haunt her for the rest of her life, a regret that she probably will be carrying till her death.
It took me ten years to be diagnosed with hyperparathyroidism.
No doctors could figure out what was wrong with me. I researched non stop before finally coming up with my own diagnosis.
The doctors then performed the right tests.
Thank god I found a wonderful surgeon also.
My poor mother kept on being misdiagnosed as psychotic by doctors and being drugged up for it, but her mother (my grandmother) had to keep explaining to the doctors that she wasn't. She'd had her thyroid removed (Graves disease) and was basically never given thyroxine tablets (to give her the hormone as her own body couldn't produce it with the thyroid gone), as a result she suffered from underactive thyroid which can lead to psychosis.
My grandmother had to explain that to several doctors, who'd never heard of thyroid related psychosis. But it still took several years for my mum to finally be given the right medication for it, she even had a psychotic episode when I was a child (I wasn't hurt as my mum made sure I was safe before she fully broke down) and it was only after that point that she finally got all the meds she needed for her thyroid and could move on with her life.
Wait a minute…wait a…THATS ERIN STRAUSS FROM CRIMINAL MINDS!!!!!!!!
I THOUGHT SHE LOOKED FAMILIAR
YUP😂😂
yup and thank god she found george steinbrenner from the bronx is burning. it saved her husband.
The last time i was this early Halstead wasnt a dick for illegally resuscitating a patient with a dnr
Jayne Atkinson kills it, like always.
There are so many heartless physicians fast fooding people through the health systems it's mind blowing. So many have suffered misdiagnosis or never even being listened to. Its terrifying those type of sociopaths can have a heavy hand in how you function or even live. Then, you get a reminder that there are really good doctors still in the world too. Driven to save as many lives as they possibly can. The one who cry when a patient dies or shouts unto glory when one pulls through. Those superheroes make mistakes, honest heartbreaking mistakes too. This was a very sad and unfortunate mistake, she just didn't have enough data to decifer the subtle differences. We all face those harsh awarenesses every day... The ShouldaCouldaWouldas. All you can do is the best you can with what you know and what you have access to. Some days you can give it your all and you still won't make the goal. All we can do is our best while hoping for the best results.
a lot of them don't have a choice. in non-private hospitals and clinics, doctors usually get assigned 10 minutes per patient. i.e. their bosses tell them that they *have to* get you seen and out the door in 10 minutes or less. the receptionists are told they *have to* take bookings with that shedule in mind. any extra time the doctor spends with a patient is taking away time from the next person, or takes away the time the doctor would use for a toilet break or lunch. some doctors will still try their best, but many will just give up and focus on sticking to the schedule because they just don't have the mental fortitude to fight against the system
Oh my gosh! I was just diagnosed with hyperparathyroidism. Surgery next month. I will say, the symptoms are rough. And it can mimic many things in the early stages. This TV patient went so long with toxic calcium levels (and the beta blocker didn't help). Scary how far it can go! Never thought I'd see my diagnosis on a medical show. And it was good to see the actress from Criminal Minds!
No wonder she misdiagnosed him. That’s Section Chief Erin Stauss from “Criminal Minds” 🤣🤣🤣
She got second AND third opinions. This isn't her fault
If I'm not mistaken, Robin Williams was diagnosed first with Parkinson's, then with LBD, and that was why he took his own life. LBD is worse than Parkinson's. My dad died of Parkinson's, and he was a doctor, his wife a nurse, but I don't think even they knew how bad Parkinson's could get. In the end, my dad had withered to looking like a Holocaust prisoner, and was in so much pain a triple dose of morphine didn't make a dent in it. And I picked up the feeling from him, in my last days with him, that he felt horrible that his loved ones saw him like that. Because even now, almost a decade later, when his family is remembering the good times, the torment he went through is never far behind in our thoughts. I treasure every second I had with my father, but I sometimes wish he had died of something else a few years into his diagnosis, before things got really bad. Because my extra time with him wasn't worth him going through that pain, and I know he'd rather we'd not seen him that way.
I'll just say it. I think Robin Williams made a brave choice. He spared his family horrific pain-and if you haven't lost someone you love to a wasting disease, you cannot rightfully judge someone who has. I believe Robim wanted to be remembered as he was, and spare his family losing him, little by little to escalating pain and loss of self.
I know I'll get hate for saying that. No one wanted to lose Robin Williams. He was a genuine treasure of a person. And I don't condone unaliving oneself in general...but...how shall I put this... I think there are dark places we (humans) can find ourselves in that we can never find our way out of, and when all other efforts (therapy, medications, support, family/friends, etc.) have made no difference, will never make a difference, then there are very rare instances, when moving on to the next plane of existence may be the only choice. Now, I don't believe souls only live one life. But that's me, I don't say anyone else has to think that. But it makes my view of death a little different. So if you want to think of me as a whackadoodle, go right ahead. To me the strongest and most important beliefs we have are the ones that come from our observations and experiences in life. That's where mine come from. But feel free to disagree. And yes, I have lost people to suicide. So please know that none of my thoughts on it are glib or from lack of that type of loss.
Okay, I'll end this essay here. Apologies to anyone this offends, I'm truly sorry. But watching this video just brought it all flooding to the front of my brain, and I had to put it out there. I hope no one who reads this goes through the kind of loss I and so many others have. Blessed be.
This is why you don't take families as patience
Despite being wrong, it does present incredibly similar to someone with Alzheimer’s Disease.
That one nurse said LBD was basically Alzheimer’s crossed with Parkinson’s.
Erin Strauss from Criminal minds, and Georgie from the walking dead
I knew exactly who she was, just forgot her name so thank you!
@@Avatar-Destiny her name is Jayne Atkinson
@@bryanmcdonough3558 I just meant her name in Criminal Minds hahaha
Damn this is a sad one😥
This is the reason why medical ethics state a physician should not generally treat themselves or their immediate family. Only in isolated emergency situations where no other qualified physician is available. Professional objectivity can be compromised by emotions and their personal feelings can unduly compromise the patient care. I'm going out on a limb and saying Chicago probably has at least a few people qualified to independently examine, diagnose and offer treatment. This is also why physicians often use a differential diagnosis to create a list of conditions sharing symptoms and narrow down the diagnosis via testing
This is why you do not let family diagnose you. Too much attachment.
You need a separate diagnosys from doctors.
The guy had two other doctors aside from the wife also agree to the diagnosis.
So she and 2 other docs diagnosed LBD 4 years ago without doing an MRI? That makes no sense.
If you listen carefully they say that the tumor would have been so small no mri scan would have shown it 4 yrs ago
For one thing though to get a second and a third opinion and NO ONE did an MRI on him? Lol all neurosurgeon’s too lol.
Probably all colleagues, too.
Dr Charles said that 4 years ago when he was diagnosed the spot on his brain would've been so small no machine would've picked it up. So the scans were probably misread.
@@cameronfarias7992 perhaps, realistically though it probably wouldn’t have happened. You would want to monitor progress of disease over time. I love the show regardless 😊
Yeah I caught that, too. Regardless you would think he'd have regular MRIs 😅 Although, I got a TBI in a car accident and got an eye injury as well and they didn't do an x-ray, CT or MRI at the ER. I didn't think of it because, well, I was so out of it. I couldn't even believe it, and once I came to my senses it was way too late.
I THINK HE HAS A FEVER
I get it. She's a neurologist, consulted 2 more and all agreed on LBD. But she really didn't even consider doing an MRI to be totally sure? Just because he presents the symptoms doesn't mean it's 100% that disease
Good episode & sad
0:20 *" airways intact, breath sounds bilaterally"* while his stethoscope hanging on his neck
She got other opinions. How did the other Dr's misdiagnose as well?
BAU Section Chief Erin Strauss back from the dead!
They be taking science
The wife played Georgie in a episode of the walking dead
I’m confused. They know she is a doctor but refer to her as “Mrs” instead of “Dr”. Is this usual in the US or is it possibly because she is not in the role of a doctor, but a loved one?
Or it's habit since she's in civies....
She isn't practicing medicine anyone because she retired to take care of her husband. Even if she didn't retire, right now, her role's the patient's spouse.
@@Eventidesis that doesn’t matter, the title doctor is given to anyone with a doctorate. Retired or not. You can be a doctor of engineering or archeology or mathematics.
I can imagine it becoming confusing to other doctors who don't know or other patients if they start calling her doctor in a hospital setting. People will mistake her for someone who works there, so in this instance I can understand why they didn't call her Dr.
I know that some people say oh in a certain situation somebody can care for their family know there’s never a situation where a doctor can care for their family or friends, the reason that is a rule is because you’re emotionally wrapped up in that person you don’t wanna do anything that’ll compromise their life but sometimes you have to in order to make somebody better sometimes unfortunately someone’s gonna have deficits from the surgery that Hass to happen and a friend of that person might not wanna perform that surgery but that might be what killed them
Poor lady 😢
My husband actually does have LBD. It's horrible
I think I'll always think of her as Erin Strauss😅
2:55 everything happens for a reason that's what bullet train thought me
Soo all those 2nd and 3rd opinions never did a brain scan to diagnose dementia? Oook 😂
as much as i’d like to say doctors should spend every second of every day figuring out for sure what is wrong with someone it’s sadly just not feasible. don’t get me wrong there are serious cases of gross negligence on doctors parts when it comes to diagnosing patients but a lot of the time doctors are faced with dozens of patients daily and as the saying goes “if it looks like a duck and quacks like a duck it’s a duck” (this has been used lately for gross bigotry but in this context it is meant to imply doctors will often accept the first obvious answer) just because they don’t have all the time in the world to find out a patient is experiencing something really rare or abnormal. it’s so sad and so tough but a typical doctor isn’t prepared for special cases.
Erin strauss i know that voice anywhere 😅
Who is the wife actress she looks so familiar 😂
Don't know her name, but she was the the Director of the Behavioral Science Unit on Criminal Minds for two or three seasons...
Mom has dementia too.
Isn’t diagnosing your own spouse or relative a breach or a liability of sorts
If it was a professional setting then yeah but I think because she got 2nd and 3rd opinions and they agreed with what she thought then maybe not
Jayne Atkinson from Free Willy
isn’t the actress for the wife also the actress for erin strauss from criminal minds?
I miss Sean Roman. ❤
Isn't the wife Strauss from Criminal Minds? Or do they just look a lot alike?
It's what killed Robin Williams
And Casey Kasem
CHICAGO MED
Isnt the paitents wife off of criminal minds?? She looks so familiar
Well I bet she's popular at parties seeing she has effects like this on her husband
What the name of the show
Chicago med
Is it just me or does this man look like bill Murray?
1:04
This is why doctors arent allowed to treat family.
25mg of quetiapine 🫠