@@donnell9238 How do we know, he didn't send a message to Yoda and other council members? Also, Mace sensed a plot to destroy the Jedi aka order 66! Meaning, he believed, it was about to happen right in that time period.
Palpatine thought Windu was more powerful because Windu used Vaapad. Palapatine was biaised into thinking darkness is more powerful than light. Since Windu used his inner darkness to fight with Vaapad, Palpatine thought Windu was more powerful. But Windu thought light force is more powerful. Since Yoda was the most powerful light force user of his time, it's only logical that Windu thought Yoda was more powerful.
The thruth is windu as being able to be in balance with both his light and dark sides without any of them fully controling them is what makes him more powerful than Yoda. As force is a one big whole Then Yoda rejecting his dark side of the force voluntarily makes him lack this equilibrium.
Based on those two fights ok rots I say then mace windu was at the time only because yoda was on the decline I mean he was planning to go settle down on degabah, but a prime yoda beats sidous and mace in my opinion
@@FrostedSeagull George Lucas said Windu won! Get over it! The fact is that! Palpatine took two great chances of being stop which was fighting Windu and Yoda. He had all he needed in altered video of Anakin admitting to being told to spy on Palpatine by the Jedi council and the Jedi was going to take over. Palpatine had all the fake evidence he needed to command order 66! The only two Jedi's capable of defeating Palpatine in ROTS was Mace and Yoda.
That took a lot to admit that on Windu side and shows that the dark side of the force doesn’t control him one bit. I thought he was prideful especially in revenge of the Sith but it is nice to be wrong and now puts him in my top 3 of Jedi. And to everyone happy May the 4th be with you 🎉
Yoda is obviously more powerful than Windu, however Vaapad and shatterpoint helped Windu in his dual against the emperor. Windu was more suited to fight Sidious than Yoda because of Vaapad and shatterpoint.
Except Yoda beat Sidious hard in lightsaber duel as well.... And Sidious had to go over to force use, where Yoda rag rolled him there as well... Even taking a full power force lightning with his bare hands, and even throwing it back at Sidious.. Just luck made it so Yoda fell down several meters, smashing to the ground while Sidious did not... So.. Yoda is more powerful in every way, just as he's always been..
@@karerabbe7829 I could be remembering the novelization differently but IIRC Yoda absolutely did not rag doll Sidious with the force and they were scarily equal in that duel.
Both beat him in saber combat. Windu used vapaad channeling Palpatine back unto himself. Palpatine knew he couldn’t beat Yoda so he put his saber away and used other Force abilities.
The dark side of the force causes fatigue correct? So isn’t it true that if yoda fought shortly after mace, yoda actually faced a weaker opponent than mace did seeing how mace used the dark side against palp which should have caused him to be weaker after until he had time to recover? I doubt he recovered fully by the time he faced yoda. So I would say that mace was stronger and probably never knew it.
Thing is, windus Vapaad was better for fighting darkside users than Yodas Ataro. Also when Sidious is deceiving or misleading the jedi or republic, the truth is made abundantly clear for the viewers. The viewers are never included in the Siths deception themself. Also they do not give misleading and deceptive feedback to the viewer when making confirmation videos. The content given is always accurate confirmation
I think that Mace Windu is less powerful than Yoda in general, but his technique Veipad is essentially super effective on Sith like Palpatine who use the Dark Side
I agree. To be honest mace did better vs sidious than yoda. Yoda would probably do better against most other fighters / most other scenarios tho. But they’re both pretty much unstoppable lol. The two best in the Order by far at the time
yoda has something making him the real master. It is his long life. 900 years of experiences, studying a "getting one with force." The age is also the biggest "weakness" master Yoda has if we are talking about figting, lightsabers duels.. but STILL!
Yoda is the grandmaster and has more battle experience/force power/wisdom etc than Windu so I don't see how the choice isn't obvious. If I had to choose any Jedi to protect me that era it'd be Yoda.
Imagine thinking Mace Windu being stronger than Yoda. The only downside for Yoda was his age, but exactly because of his age it is what made him so wise and powerful.
His age is also what made him blind to Palpatine being Darth Sidious. He said so himself, “the light side of the force is weakening, we cannot tell the Republic that us Jedi have weakened or that will just create more problems for us Jedi.”
How do you convince someone to join your side or cause disturbance among rivals? Praise one to think they have more value than the other. Mace didn't think himself on the same level as Yoda obviously and didn't fall for Palpatines manipulative trickery.
Ur right. That’s exactly what he did to anakin. Palpatine repeatedly told anakin that he (anakin) was superior to the other jedi, and that he was being under utilized and underrated. While it’s true that anakin has more potential than both mace and yoda, at the time of episode 3, both mace and yoda had a far greater mastery over the force, and much more experience. each of them could have destroyed anakin at the time of episode 3. He simply didn’t have the experience required to tap into his full potential at that time
Windu was the more effective warrior when it came to facing dark siders. He was also capable of handling anyone else but he built himself and his own style to make him a specialist against dark siders. Yoda has a greater strength in the force but he has always taken time to bring his strength to the fight and his age means he can't do much of anything for long. His technical knowledge of the jedi martial arts is also unrivaled, but Windu edges him out again by having innovated meaning anyone unfamiliar with vapaad was at a disadvantage. Mace and Yoda are like Bruce and Ip Man, both beasts but in different ways.
I love Mace Windu & he's one of my top favorite Jedi. Although he is very poweful & a formidable foe, I do think Yoda is much more powerful than Windu. The yardstick for me, personally, is comparing palpatine/sidious' fight against them both in ROTS. Windu appeared to have "died" when palps used force lightning against him. Compared to Yoda who was shown to have the ability to stop and/or absorb palps' force lightning. Also, Yoda didn't seem to have suffered any major injuries from that fight. He could've killed palps, BUT he was partly distracted by the massacre & destruction of the Jedi Order. If Yoda didn't have that hanging over his head, I strongly believe he could've killed palps alone. On the other hand, Mace lost a limb bcoz Anakin intervened. I think if Ani assisted Windu instead, then palps would already be dead ~ there's no way a clear headed chosen one + fully able bodied Mace Windu can't defeat a sith lord.
Windu only got roasted by the lightning after Anakin intervened and (literally) disarmed him. Before that, Windu absolutely had the advantage. While I still fully believe Palpatine is far stronger than Windu by a longshot, Windu’s Vapaad is a STUPID hard counter to Sith Lords. So Windu momentarily overpowering Palpatine made perfect sense in that instance Plus I fully believe that Palpatine was holding back and could’ve gotten up at almost any time if he weren’t specifically trying to turn Anakin at that moment
@@grandempress1947 Palpatine was by no means helpless after being disarmed by Mace Windu, as shown with his onslaught of Force lightning. As described in the Revenge of the Sith novel, Palpatine was slowly pushing Windu’s lightsaber blade towards him and could have killed him with his own weapon if he persisted. But killing Mace Windu in front of Anakin (or before he arrived) would have been detrimental to Palpatine’s plans of corrupting Skywalker, as doing so would vindicate Mace’s description of the Sith as dangerous enemies of the Jedi. Palpatine needed Anakin to see him as the only way to save Padme. With Anakin watching, Palpatine put up a façade of a helpless old man, who conjured lightning against Windu as a means of self-defense. By framing himself as the victim of a Jedi coup, Palpatine blurred the lines between Jedi and Sith for Anakin and forced Mace Windu into a situation that villainized him. Mace, unintentionally, repeated a phrase that Palpatine had said to Anakin about Dooku. With the Jedi and Sith seeming philosophically the same to Anakin, he inevitably chose the side that at least might save his wife. Anakin dismembered Windu, allowing Palpatine to drop his façade of weakness and assault the Jedi Master with lightning once more, killing him. It may be true that Mace Windu overpowered Palpatine during their lightsaber duel, but Palpatine had the opportunity to ambush him as he did to the other Jedi and kill him without a prolonged fight. Mace’s use of Vaapad allowed him to keep up with the legendary Sith Lord and his Shatterpoint ability allowed him to deal a disarming blow. Despite this victory, Palpatine was in almost complete control of the entire conflict, as he often is, orchestrating nearly every detail and securing his ultimate victory of Anakin’s allegiance. Palpatine may not have specifically allowed Mace Windu to defeat him in Star Wars: Episode III - Revenge of the Sith, but his control over the situation and superior strength in the Force made him the true winner of the duel.
Long story short, Palpatine confirmed that Mace was more of a threat in combat while Yoda was more of a teacher/politician. Mace was just being humble. It sounds legit based on what happened in the prequels. Yoda was more of a spiritual leader at that point.
I think it is clear Palpatine took Mace's words to heart as when Mace and 3 other Jedi came to arrest him he attacked them all head on. He dispatched the other 3 with relative ease and probably believed he could defeat Windu as well. He was wrong as Mace Windu lightsaber skills were at least as good as Palpatine without Vapaad and shatterpoint but with it he was able to turn the dark power of the Sith back onto him defeating him in lightsaber combat. For all his "unlimited power" I think this battle probably shook Palpatine more than he would ever admit and when soon after he was faced with Yoda the Jedi Mace Windu confirmed to be his superior in both peace and war he tried to flee and only fought when Yoda prevented his escape.
Tbh I was very surprised by the mace vs sidious fight. Of course I would expect it to be close, but it was always my belief that sidious had LET mace trap him in order to get anakin to turn on mace and turn into Vader. But apparently the truth is that mace pretty much won and sidious really did need anakin’s help. But I’d be willing to bet episode 6 sidious could have beaten mace, since he had 25 years more experience by that point, not to mention the fact that there was much more dark side energy in the universe as a result of the Empire and all the evil things it did
@@pIayingwithmahwii Yeah Sidious from ROTJ power was far greater than his prequel trilogy power. He was more experienced, had all the time and freedom he wanted to study the dark side to an even greater extent, collect Dark side artefacts etc. Now he would be in his 80s and Mace would be like 78 by return of the Jedi so its hard to say how either would be in a lightsaber duel by that point, of course they could both use the force to augment themselves physically as Yoda and Count Dooku did. The only thing Mace has in his favour is the Vaapad lightsaber form which channels dark side energy back against the opponent. I believe this is why Mace was able to reflect the lightning back at Sidious in Ep 3 when most Jedi would simply be disintegrated along with their lightsaber as Sidious's force lightning was so much more powerful than Dooku's (Rey reflecting his lightning back at him in Ep 9 was absolute nonsense). You could argue the greater Sidious's dark side power the more power Mace can channel against him with Vaapad. This is pretty much unique to Mace as he is the only Jedi to master Vaapad.
The only reason Windu defeated Palpatine is to make Anakin think Windu was about to kill him. When Anakin cut Windu’s hand off, he saw too late that Palpatine was playing possum for his benefit.
That doesn't add up. Windu disarmed Palpatine before Anikin got there. Yes, Palpatine played weak after that point, but he was already beaten in the dual.
You’re right on the first half, but wrong on the second half. Master Yoda trained to maintain his peak power throughout his entire life. So he became the most powerful Jedi for a very long time. And was surpassed buy mace Windu. Remember y’all Yoda only trained to maintain his power from declining but he never trained to increase his power beyond what it was for several hundreds years. Throughout his entire life mace Windu only trained to increase his power level. Because he was the ultimate warrior of the Jedi. So if you survive in the episode four somehow someway he would definitely be more powerful than the emperor. But by the time of episode three he was equal to emperor Palpa teen’s power is not slightly stronger. Because even in the novelization it gave greater context saying that mace Windu surpassed Vapaad its self in his fight versus the dark Lord of the Sith. Also this is the first and only time they pad was used successfully in a fight, that means mace Windu had no prior knowledge or successful experience using Vapaad. Until this fight.
@@jordanglasper1064 not really. Yoda outdueled mace and his equal jedi dooku in sparring matches all the time, has been stated to be the strongest jedi of the prequel era multiple times and mace himself said that he wasnt yodas equal "neither in peace nor in battle". Yoda also stomped regular dooku and beat amped dooku while holding back (for reference regular dooku alone went toe to toe with mace multiple times or just barely got beaten.) and has disarmed sidious in lightsaber combat without much of a trouble, matched him force power and mere sight of yoda caused sidious to try run away before the fight even started. This is while mace had to use vaapad (something that wont work on yoda) to its full potential and focus with all he had just to keep up with sidious' speed.
Well technically Mace Windu has some advantage due to his fighting style having the edge and the hax to keep up with Sidious since he's literally fighting a sith Lord and Vaapad is suited for fighting the sith with harnessing the dark side of the opponent and using it against them and the more you fight the more powerful you can get and the shatterpoint can point out and to work as a strategy or means to detect the weakness of the opponent, but when fighting a light Side it can be quite maybe useless against light Side of the force so Yoda is clearly more powerful in terms of speed, skill, experience and force powers like using his barehands to redirect Sidious Force Lightning which is god tier amongst other sith Lords and even Sidious tried to retreat, "if so powerful you are, why leave?"
Yoda beat Sidious hard in lightsaber duel as well.... And Sidious had to go over to force use, where Yoda rag rolled him there as well... Even taking a full power force lightning with his bare hands, and even throwing it back at Sidious.. Just luck made it so Yoda fell down several meters, smashing to the ground while Sidious did not... So.. Yoda is more powerful in every way, just as he's always been..
Mace is definitely one of my favorite Jedi of all time. I've done a lot of reading on just how powerful and disciplined Mace is with the Force and Lightsaber combat. I wish we could've seen more of it in the Clone Wars seasons and on screen. I hope Mace is still alive somehow in Canon.
With everything flawed with Mace he got this one right. It makes sense from every way to look at it. After almost a literal millennia of being THE absolutely MOST powerful Jedi and NEVER let either his Powers OR his physical combat skill wane despite rarely needing them it just then makes sense being WAY more experienced then basically ANYONEan everyone alive, ANYWHERE that Yoda would be at least by a small Margin the BETTER across most if not the whole board. This is eventually what other notable Jedi like Anakin an Kenobi coulda come close to had they lived long enough and stayed that whole time as Jedi. At being FULLY trained and having finally mastered his darker side. In an alternative reality, Grandmaster Anakin Skywalker woulda been ridiculously powerful literally BOTH of them in one. Since he was a Soldier Jedi too. Always wondered though if a lack of Potential woulda kept Obi from ever getting such powers since his Midochorlian count never was anything to raise eyebrows at just good enough to get the majority of jobs done. Or perhaps maybe despite initial chorlian count he could, an others like him, STILL grow to be absurdly powerful anyways while fully matured characters that eventually become Yodas an/or Windus that started as Anakins just did their thing as they matured and slowly figured it out an mastered themselves
Obi-Wan to me shows that while having a high medi count makes you strong. Your faith and trust in the Force can make you equally, if not more powerful. He was weak and masterless for years to go on to become *the* master of defense.
@@brosephbroman7564 yeah, ironic that one isn't it... To the point where LITERALLY the MOST deadly of enemies... Like #2 far as they know of falls to him in basically the equal of a no holds barred street fight style dual.. in his fight against Grevious. Even more so he found to be both particularly adept as a fighter and negotiations an yet the series only kinda did right by him letting his skills wane... Like WHY would you spend literally decades in the deep desert mostly to yourself, so long the planet comes to know you as one of them.. but a recluse an you don't spend ANY of that time retaining your amazing and apparently legendary blade skills.. seeing as word has it Vader literally over compensated in his training in anticipation of another brutal climactic showdown that probably came as anticlimactic when it finally happened... Honestly I think bout the only one far as enemies go that Kenobi wouldn't stand ANY real chance with is Sideous himself. He's just NOT gonna be able to handle someone THAT psychotic, lethal an leagues MORE powerful then him an probably alot more skilled if the Dark one is seriously determined to put his head on a pike personally and literally. Or something like that.
@@arronfrazier7873 an see that's where is wrong... He's ACTUALLY quite biased an the movies LITERALLY show him being hypocritical. He was SO dogmatically Lightside he was BLINDED by overconfidence, inflexibility, Arrogance an even biased an a bit spiteful. Notably where Anakin was concerned. An AFTER how he treated Anakin an being more then a judgemental, arrogant pain in ones ass over the teacher Mace SHOULD been an WASNT most the time just assumed there'd been NO risks or penalties for that.. THAT'S NOT flawless. He coulda HELPED guide Anakin an help PERSONALLY train but spent most time judgmental.. Truth be told regarding Anakin, despite, the latter's flaws HIS job was to address issues with his subordinates an groom them to perhaps take HIS place one day. Obi, Yoda an alot the other Council members did a better job more usually there then he did. One the best an one my favorite fighters but he's hardly a saint
While mace windu was the last person any ditch would wanna fight his main feat is his lightsaber skill and form however it is stated that no Jedi in yodas era could beat him in a lightsaber duel and yoda besides anakins potential was probably he best with the force in his era to
@@desantinotafrancesco2639 force judgement and yeah I know I wanted to see so much more and wish more movies were made in the republic era or the ancient eras of star wars would be dope to have bane or revan as an antagonist
Where the rubber hits the road, overall, it's Yoda. In fighting Sith it's Windu, because of Vaapad. It is true that Shatterpoint gives Windu a strong advantage on the battlefield and in tactics, but as a strong 2nd to Yoda, his vital Right-hand man, I would say.
@GRAND EMPRESS Palpatine was by no means helpless after being disarmed by Mace Windu, as shown with his onslaught of Force lightning. As described in the Revenge of the Sith novel, Palpatine was slowly pushing Windu’s lightsaber blade towards him and could have killed him with his own weapon if he persisted. But killing Mace Windu in front of Anakin (or before he arrived) would have been detrimental to Palpatine’s plans of corrupting Skywalker, as doing so would vindicate Mace’s description of the Sith as dangerous enemies of the Jedi. Palpatine needed Anakin to see him as the only way to save Padme. With Anakin watching, Palpatine put up a façade of a helpless old man, who conjured lightning against Windu as a means of self-defense. By framing himself as the victim of a Jedi coup, Palpatine blurred the lines between Jedi and Sith for Anakin and forced Mace Windu into a situation that villainized him. Mace, unintentionally, repeated a phrase that Palpatine had said to Anakin about Dooku. With the Jedi and Sith seeming philosophically the same to Anakin, he inevitably chose the side that at least might save his wife. Anakin dismembered Windu, allowing Palpatine to drop his façade of weakness and assault the Jedi Master with lightning once more, killing him. It may be true that Mace Windu overpowered Palpatine during their lightsaber duel, but Palpatine had the opportunity to ambush him as he did to the other Jedi and kill him without a prolonged fight. Mace’s use of Vaapad allowed him to keep up with the legendary Sith Lord and his Shatterpoint ability allowed him to deal a disarming blow. Despite this victory, Palpatine was in almost complete control of the entire conflict, as he often is, orchestrating nearly every detail and securing his ultimate victory of Anakin’s allegiance. Palpatine may not have specifically allowed Mace Windu to defeat him in Star Wars: Episode III - Revenge of the Sith, but his control over the situation and superior strength in the Force made him the true winner of the duel.
It was always my belief that sidious let mace pin him there in order to get anakin to turn on mace and turn on the Jedi order. But apparently mace did legitimately pin him down. Palpatine had a higher midichlorian count than mace, and had more experience over the force, so MAYBE he would have been able to shove mace own blade into himself, but I don’t know. It looked pretty close, or if anything mace had the edge in that force battle
That wasn't a duel to the death . That was a sparring match which even plo koon admitted that Yoda didn't use All his other combat forms which he is a master at...
@@eynjay8046 Yeah that's what I hear however George Lucas did admit that Mace Windu did in fact beat the future emperor in the confrontation between the two of them.. I believe George Lucas over everybody because he is the original writer.. Thanks for your thoughts though..
He started playing it up when Anakin arrived, as in when Anakin walked into the room and Palps saw him. But the duel was full on and Mace bested him fair and square.
I believe they would suspect, but unless they had a vision that showed the event, no one would be able tae tell them and they weren't on speaking terns with Palpatine and Vader.
For all the fools who say Sidious threw the Windu fight to appeal to Anakin that's complete BS as George Lucas the creator of Star Wars even admits and announces Sidious didn't throw the fight or sense Anakin coming (that's why Sidious looks surprised when he sees Anakin) He did say "Windu fairly did disarm and defeat Sidious in their battle and was going to Kill Sidious and neither of them Sidious or Windu sensed Anakin" (End Quote) That's why they both look surprised to see Anakin and Sidious looked more surprised than Windu did considering Windu was focused on Killing Sidious which he was able to do and was about to do it until Anakin saved Sidious. We can also see a genuine look of surprise and Fear from Sidious when he's begging please don't as Windu gets ready to bring down the Lightsaber to finish off Sidious. George Lucas did say "The look of Fear on Sidious's face was real he wasn't faking it he was actually scared for his life" (End Quote) However when Sidious is babbling about how the Jedi are taking over and saying he has the power to save the ones Anakin loves George Lucas does admit "that was the manipulation that Sidious used on Anakin which worked in converting him to the Darkside" (End Quote) So in my opinion Windu is more powerful than Yoda because he fairly defeated Sidious while Yoda came close but actually lost to Sidious because he Forfeited the fight by running away. Also Windu could walk the line between Darkside and Lightside without ever converting to the Sith while Yoda could never do that. So with all of that proof and those exact quotes from George Lucas it's obviously obvious that Windu was a little better than Yoda. Only reason why Windu would say Yoda is better is because Windu is humble and does not want to Disrespect Yoda but deep down he knows he's more powerful than Yoda.
Idc if we already know everything about yoda, i would legit watch an hour long video made by you about yoda. Like every detail of every nuance of every detail. Then again im weird sooo idk if anyone else would watch it 😂🤷♂️
I used to think that as well. But change your playing style with him. You have to stay moving. Attack a target once move to the next then circle back to the first one. Use the whole map. He's small. Hides well when running
But he still was super quick due to his species inherent reflexes as well as his quickness paired with dueling form. He outdueled palpatine only to lose a battle of force power with the floating Senate seats
@@Thehomelessathlete He also was debuffed from losing so many Jedi at once and feeling it everywhere through the force as well as he knew Palpatine was fighting to delay for TIME as reinforcements we're coming. So Yoda decided to not risk the fate of the future all on the gamble . Yoda knew that sometimes you have to lose a battle to win a war
Just want to point out that the quote doesn’t say that yoda is better, it just says he is not his equal. That can be interpreted as yoda being the better of the two or mace as being the better of the two, as in either case they wouldn’t be equals.
Most powerful based on potential and midichlorian count in order were Anakin, Sidious, Yoda, mace. They were all in a tier of their own, capable of beating each other. Although by episode 3 anakin had very little experience compared to these other three, and he had barely tapped into his force potential, so at the time each of them could have wiped the floor with anakin. Anakin with full potential would be a tier WAY above even the sidious-yoda-mace tier. Obi wan at full power would be a tier below those guys
Regardless of their answer to such questions, Jedi do not indulge themselves with assessments of their superiority-or lack thereof-to other Jedi. To do so would be an indulgence of pride and vanity. These feelings are natural of course and should not be ignored as doing so would be an act of self-deception and repression. But neither should a Jedi seek to indulge their feelings of personal pride without first searching, investigating, and understanding their nature, origin, and management. To do so would only open a Jedi to the power of the Dark Side as slowly dropping water cracks a crevice into a canyon if given enough time.
I may be wrong but haven't you posted this exact video before? I find it really interesting but I could of swore I heard this already from your channel. Either way good stuff, love the channel. I'm a HUGE SWTOR player and with the new 7.0 patch just coming out were getting a bunch of new players and I love it and I love the resurgence of new and old star wars fans getting back into it! I also think that Windu was better than Yoda when it came to fighting dark side users IN PARTICULAR because of Vaapad, aside from that Yoda prolly was stronger than him in all other aspects. That's my view anyways. Also I think that no matters what Windu would have said this because of his great respect for Yoda, even if Windu could of bested Yoda he would first never have tried or let himself win and he would never have admitted that which for all their faults and his faults is a very true Jedi thing to do. Respect to his loyalty and reverence for his master! Mace and Qui Gon Jinn are among my top 2 favorite people in all of star wars, and of course Luke minus the Last 3 movies which in my mind never happened and is not cannon :(
@GRAND EMPRESS Palpatine was by no means helpless after being disarmed by Mace Windu, as shown with his onslaught of Force lightning. As described in the Revenge of the Sith novel, Palpatine was slowly pushing Windu’s lightsaber blade towards him and could have killed him with his own weapon if he persisted. But killing Mace Windu in front of Anakin (or before he arrived) would have been detrimental to Palpatine’s plans of corrupting Skywalker, as doing so would vindicate Mace’s description of the Sith as dangerous enemies of the Jedi. Palpatine needed Anakin to see him as the only way to save Padme. With Anakin watching, Palpatine put up a façade of a helpless old man, who conjured lightning against Windu as a means of self-defense. By framing himself as the victim of a Jedi coup, Palpatine blurred the lines between Jedi and Sith for Anakin and forced Mace Windu into a situation that villainized him. Mace, unintentionally, repeated a phrase that Palpatine had said to Anakin about Dooku. With the Jedi and Sith seeming philosophically the same to Anakin, he inevitably chose the side that at least might save his wife. Anakin dismembered Windu, allowing Palpatine to drop his façade of weakness and assault the Jedi Master with lightning once more, killing him. It may be true that Mace Windu overpowered Palpatine during their lightsaber duel, but Palpatine had the opportunity to ambush him as he did to the other Jedi and kill him without a prolonged fight. Mace’s use of Vaapad allowed him to keep up with the legendary Sith Lord and his Shatterpoint ability allowed him to deal a disarming blow. Despite this victory, Palpatine was in almost complete control of the entire conflict, as he often is, orchestrating nearly every detail and securing his ultimate victory of Anakin’s allegiance. Palpatine may not have specifically allowed Mace Windu to defeat him in Star Wars: Episode III - Revenge of the Sith, but his control over the situation and superior strength in the Force made him the true winner of the duel.
Yoda was the most powerful light side user ever, but since he never channeled the dark side he would only ever be the equal to his dark side counterpart. Which is why Anakin was considered the "Chosen" one, since he could return balance to the force, meaning he could channel both without falling to either side, and his power therefore being greater than Yoda, Mace, or Sidious in that regard. Luke being of that line, had the potential to become even greater than Anakin or Vader, If Yoda and Sidious fought several times, it would literally be a 50/50 odd on which one would win, based on high ground, neutral ground, etc... Yodas whole principle was the force was to be used as defense, never offense.... Which limits his overall power. Hence why in Yodas combat scenes, the screen cuts, and demonstrations of intents, palpatine smirking while pressing the attack, with Yoda having the look of determination to repel those attacks.
Sidious valued power. He was saying "f*ck that light side stuff, focus on war" Palpatine doing what he does. Sow seeds of corruption Mace refuted him, but Mace attachment was the Republic. That was his weakness
In terms of experience, Yoda is more powerful because he's been around for centuries. Windu in terms of how many actual battles we've seen him encountered in. Yoda's history is extremely fabian but the two are very much powerful in their own right.
Yoda was definitely the Riegning Bad ass of his Era. Luke Skywalker in his Era. Revan in his along with Bastilla Shan. To give the the Title of Badest Jedi or most powerful in all the known Era's of the Canon SW Universe is tough to call. I have to give the Jedi Crown To Luke Skywalker! His force abilities overall is only matched on the Dark Side by Malan Gerick, aka Starkiller. Yoda, Bastilla Shan and Revan has thier legitimate arguments. But still Luke. I mean he basically defeated Abloth! Let's not forget, while facing a Mob of rebellious Sith too. C'mon. Who the F..k can natch that feat???
He did all that just to be portrayed in the way he was in the final couple movies.... A coward and hermit that'd rather watch the galaxy sink into darkness on his island rather than do something about it... his nephew would of been a cake walk. I didn't like the whole Palpatine clone life force thing, but I would of veen okay with it if we would have gotten a full circle moment with Luke vs Palpatine final battle with maybe a Anakin force voice thrown in to help his son against the person that both killed Vader and also played a roll turning him to the light... Light vs dark, Grandmaster vs Sith Lord.
Mace windu was a beast butt Yoda is the GarAND master for a reason he just has some much experience hundreds of years to practice ones skill pretty crazy if you think about it and mace was pretty young still butt still doesn't compare to the amount of time Yoda had to perfect his force abilities. Always love the content man I come back and watch your videos time and time again best star wars content on YODATUDE
Yoda based on most statements and feats only Sidious, The Skywalkers, And The Mereks in Legends had a higher potential and midichlorian count then the green grandmaster yeah.
@@bubbajoezappern I'd put Mace above Anakin. and above Luke if we're talking canon. Plo Koon was underrated though, he's the only Jedi to beat Yoda in one sparring session, plus he can use yellow force lightning.
lol when they had to CGI Palpatine's face onto the stunt double, it looked so shiddy. Trying to pass it off as him losing control over his Force illusion.
I always had a sense that Palpatine let Windu win that fight and that it was all part of his plan to bring Anakin to the dark side. Had Palpatine been really trying I think he would have easily bested Windu. But that’s just my thoughts/hunch.
As Lucas said, Palps didn't let Windu win, he knew he would lose in a fight eventually, but the gambit was to get Anakin to strike Mace down while the Master was deep in Vaapad and ready to kill Palps in front of Anakin.
@@NakAnderso No, Windu's personal force shield was far too powerful for that. It's very hard to catch a Master off guard enough to do that, unless there's a huge power disparity, and there wasn't between those two.
@GRAND EMPRESS Palpatine was by no means helpless after being disarmed by Mace Windu, as shown with his onslaught of Force lightning. As described in the Revenge of the Sith novel, Palpatine was slowly pushing Windu’s lightsaber blade towards him and could have killed him with his own weapon if he persisted. But killing Mace Windu in front of Anakin (or before he arrived) would have been detrimental to Palpatine’s plans of corrupting Skywalker, as doing so would vindicate Mace’s description of the Sith as dangerous enemies of the Jedi. Palpatine needed Anakin to see him as the only way to save Padme. With Anakin watching, Palpatine put up a façade of a helpless old man, who conjured lightning against Windu as a means of self-defense. By framing himself as the victim of a Jedi coup, Palpatine blurred the lines between Jedi and Sith for Anakin and forced Mace Windu into a situation that villainized him. Mace, unintentionally, repeated a phrase that Palpatine had said to Anakin about Dooku. With the Jedi and Sith seeming philosophically the same to Anakin, he inevitably chose the side that at least might save his wife. Anakin dismembered Windu, allowing Palpatine to drop his façade of weakness and assault the Jedi Master with lightning once more, killing him. It may be true that Mace Windu overpowered Palpatine during their lightsaber duel, but Palpatine had the opportunity to ambush him as he did to the other Jedi and kill him without a prolonged fight. Mace’s use of Vaapad allowed him to keep up with the legendary Sith Lord and his Shatterpoint ability allowed him to deal a disarming blow. Despite this victory, Palpatine was in almost complete control of the entire conflict, as he often is, orchestrating nearly every detail and securing his ultimate victory of Anakin’s allegiance. Palpatine may not have specifically allowed Mace Windu to defeat him in Star Wars: Episode III - Revenge of the Sith, but his control over the situation and superior strength in the Force made him the true winner of the duel.
Personally I think revan was probably right up there with them and possibly above them, though idk that might just be me confusing his time as a sith lord with his time as a Jedi
Mace Windu is more skilled in combat and specifically his form involves channeling the Dark side of their enemy which meant that the more powerful his enemy in the dark side the stronger he is. He was a perfect counter to Palpatine which is why he did better than Yoda. Mace Windu is better at fighting a Sith one on one because his skills lend to it but if he fought Yoda his skills wouldn't work as well and he would lose. But overall Yoda has more knowledge, experience, and skill with the force. Mace Windu is only better than yoda when engaging in a lightsaber battle with a Dark side user. Also I apologize since I haven't read a ton of canon star wars books but I don't remember Luke Disarming or fighting let a lone defeating Palpatine.
Palpatine obviously ran from yoda in their fight and got desperate w his powers but was unable however to handle the raw strength in power of mace windu. Yodas the more powerful Jedi but palpatine def found mace to be the more challenging opponent for him
As a Jedi ages they pass their prime as we are told in several canon sources. Yoda was 900 years age, well past his prime, and still able to equal Sidious. Is his prime, Yoda would easily have overshadowed both Windu and Sidious, but that time was long past, perhaps hundreds of years, literally. As such, this is the only reason there is any debate. At prime, neither would have held a candle to Yoda.
Windu beat Palpatine in revenge of the Sith. If Sky Walker doesn't butt in Windu would have killed Palpatine. Later in the Movie Palpatine faces Yoda and clearly defeats Yoda. Yoda actually runs in shame.
Funny, after all this it essentially comes down to Sidious having his shit together and the two top Jedi do not. "Arrogance blinds you Master Yoda." Imagine Windu and Yoda walk into Palpatines office together to take him out? The jedi were impatient and arrogant at this time. Everything they supposedly teach against. They deserved what they got.
Just imagine if both Yoda and Windu went to arrest Palatine together.
No way would Palpatine beat both of them together
Seriously! The dark side would have permanently been obliterated
without anakin* :P
I'm still confused why he didn't send the message to Yoda first.
@@donnell9238 How do we know, he didn't send a message to Yoda and other council members? Also, Mace sensed a plot to destroy the Jedi aka order 66! Meaning, he believed, it was about to happen right in that time period.
The great irony of it all is that Yoda would take no pride in being a better warrior.
"Wars not make one great."
"Make one great, war does not."
@@Just_Pele u bum i was gonna type that same thing and u stole it!
@@Just_Pele 🙌🏾
Palpatine would of just died of fear if he seen the two of them.. along side 3 other masters.. that man would of shat his pants
Palpatine thought Windu was more powerful because Windu used Vaapad. Palapatine was biaised into thinking darkness is more powerful than light. Since Windu used his inner darkness to fight with Vaapad, Palpatine thought Windu was more powerful.
But Windu thought light force is more powerful. Since Yoda was the most powerful light force user of his time, it's only logical that Windu thought Yoda was more powerful.
The thruth is windu as being able to be in balance with both his light and dark sides without any of them fully controling them is what makes him more powerful than Yoda.
As force is a one big whole
Then Yoda rejecting his dark side of the force voluntarily makes him lack this equilibrium.
Based on those two fights ok rots I say then mace windu was at the time only because yoda was on the decline I mean he was planning to go settle down on degabah, but a prime yoda beats sidous and mace in my opinion
@@colluusson Windu never in his life used dark side. He redirected opponent's sark side at them, that's not the same
Darkness is more powerful than the Light. Light has to hold back to NOT turn to Darkness. The Darkness holds nothing back...
@@mister_silent6 It looks like you're a convinced Sith.
Yoda doesn't hold back when he fights and yet he doesn't succumb to the dark side.
Maybe Sidious viewed Mace as the bigger threat due to vaapad. It was his biggest threat.
BOOKS ARE NOT CANON. Lucas said that way back in 1999 because he knew the books contradicted what Lucas put in the movies
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@@FrostedSeagullmace definitely beat sidious 😂
Sidious valued power. He was saying "f*ck that light side stuff, focus on war" Palpatine doing what he does. Sow seeds of corruption
@@FrostedSeagull George Lucas said Windu won! Get over it! The fact is that! Palpatine took two great chances of being stop which was fighting Windu and Yoda. He had all he needed in altered video of Anakin admitting to being told to spy on Palpatine by the Jedi council and the Jedi was going to take over. Palpatine had all the fake evidence he needed to command order 66! The only two Jedi's capable of defeating Palpatine in ROTS was Mace and Yoda.
No@@FrostedSeagull
That took a lot to admit that on Windu side and shows that the dark side of the force doesn’t control him one bit. I thought he was prideful especially in revenge of the Sith but it is nice to be wrong and now puts him in my top 3 of Jedi. And to everyone happy May the 4th be with you 🎉
#1 jedi is 100% Qui Gon he's the a true force beliver
BOOKS ARE NOT CANON. Lucas said that way back in 1999 because he knew the books contradicted what Lucas put in the movies
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I didn’t know that Windu channeled the dark side. That’s cool. Thanks for the video!
That's what made Windu a truly wise and powerful being, he knew his own limits, and respected the knowledge and wisdom of his elder.
Yoda is obviously more powerful than Windu, however Vaapad and shatterpoint helped Windu in his dual against the emperor. Windu was more suited to fight Sidious than Yoda because of Vaapad and shatterpoint.
Except Yoda beat Sidious hard in lightsaber duel as well.... And Sidious had to go over to force use, where Yoda rag rolled him there as well... Even taking a full power force lightning with his bare hands, and even throwing it back at Sidious.. Just luck made it so Yoda fell down several meters, smashing to the ground while Sidious did not... So.. Yoda is more powerful in every way, just as he's always been..
@@karerabbe7829 Well said.
@@karerabbe7829 I could be remembering the novelization differently but IIRC Yoda absolutely did not rag doll Sidious with the force and they were scarily equal in that duel.
@@karerabbe7829 not sure about that. I would say yoda lost to sidious.
@@karerabbe7829 you clearly don’t know much about Star Wars lore lmao that’s not true at all
Both beat him in saber combat.
Windu used vapaad channeling Palpatine back unto himself.
Palpatine knew he couldn’t beat Yoda so he put his saber away and used other Force abilities.
He didn't 'put' his saber away
Yoda actually disarmed Palpatine of it
@@Dylan_AlphaLoneKing good point
I’d be willing to bet episode 6 sidious would beat both prime mace and prime yoda tho.
But he lost/drawed during episode 3
The dark side of the force causes fatigue correct? So isn’t it true that if yoda fought shortly after mace, yoda actually faced a weaker opponent than mace did seeing how mace used the dark side against palp which should have caused him to be weaker after until he had time to recover? I doubt he recovered fully by the time he faced yoda. So I would say that mace was stronger and probably never knew it.
No in the Book it says Yoda disarmed Sidious from his Lightsaber which made Sidious fall back on his superior Force skills to beat down Yoda
i think sidious only told windu that hes more powerful than yoda to make him overconfident and to try to turn him to the darkside
Thing is, windus Vapaad was better for fighting darkside users than Yodas Ataro. Also when Sidious is deceiving or misleading the jedi or republic, the truth is made abundantly clear for the viewers. The viewers are never included in the Siths deception themself. Also they do not give misleading and deceptive feedback to the viewer when making confirmation videos. The content given is always accurate confirmation
I wished we got more of him on the big screen
I think that Mace Windu is less powerful than Yoda in general, but his technique Veipad is essentially super effective on Sith like Palpatine who use the Dark Side
I agree. To be honest mace did better vs sidious than yoda. Yoda would probably do better against most other fighters / most other scenarios tho.
But they’re both pretty much unstoppable lol. The two best in the Order by far at the time
Powers with responsibility from both means they are compliments. Not always competition.
Mace in terms of lightsaber wise and Yoda force wise
Yoda never lost to Mace in sparring sessions, it was just that Mace was more suited to face Palpatine.
yoda has something making him the real master. It is his long life. 900 years of experiences, studying a "getting one with force." The age is also the biggest "weakness" master Yoda has if we are talking about figting, lightsabers duels.. but STILL!
@@GREENHOUSE_LIGHTSHOWmace never face yoda when mace was in his prime
Yoda is the grandmaster and has more battle experience/force power/wisdom etc than Windu so I don't see how the choice isn't obvious. If I had to choose any Jedi to protect me that era it'd be Yoda.
If Yoda turned to the dark side I believe in his visions he saw that he would have the ability to drain planets of life with considerable ease
That ain't no lie. He has the kind of Force ability to turn off a star and kill TRILLIONS.
The darkside doesn't make you stronger, its only a shortcut and a downfall to strength, Yoda in OT.
Imagine thinking Mace Windu being stronger than Yoda. The only downside for Yoda was his age, but exactly because of his age it is what made him so wise and powerful.
His age is also what made him blind to Palpatine being Darth Sidious. He said so himself, “the light side of the force is weakening, we cannot tell the Republic that us Jedi have weakened or that will just create more problems for us Jedi.”
Video starts at 6:28
Thanking you
How do you convince someone to join your side or cause disturbance among rivals? Praise one to think they have more value than the other. Mace didn't think himself on the same level as Yoda obviously and didn't fall for Palpatines manipulative trickery.
Ur right. That’s exactly what he did to anakin. Palpatine repeatedly told anakin that he (anakin) was superior to the other jedi, and that he was being under utilized and underrated.
While it’s true that anakin has more potential than both mace and yoda, at the time of episode 3, both mace and yoda had a far greater mastery over the force, and much more experience.
each of them could have destroyed anakin at the time of episode 3. He simply didn’t have the experience required to tap into his full potential at that time
And it happened to help that Anakin was Street-smart and Sudiois was just saying the B***chy truth.
Windu was the more effective warrior when it came to facing dark siders. He was also capable of handling anyone else but he built himself and his own style to make him a specialist against dark siders. Yoda has a greater strength in the force but he has always taken time to bring his strength to the fight and his age means he can't do much of anything for long. His technical knowledge of the jedi martial arts is also unrivaled, but Windu edges him out again by having innovated meaning anyone unfamiliar with vapaad was at a disadvantage. Mace and Yoda are like Bruce and Ip Man, both beasts but in different ways.
I love Mace Windu & he's one of my top favorite Jedi. Although he is very poweful & a formidable foe, I do think Yoda is much more powerful than Windu. The yardstick for me, personally, is comparing palpatine/sidious' fight against them both in ROTS. Windu appeared to have "died" when palps used force lightning against him. Compared to Yoda who was shown to have the ability to stop and/or absorb palps' force lightning. Also, Yoda didn't seem to have suffered any major injuries from that fight. He could've killed palps, BUT he was partly distracted by the massacre & destruction of the Jedi Order. If Yoda didn't have that hanging over his head, I strongly believe he could've killed palps alone. On the other hand, Mace lost a limb bcoz Anakin intervened. I think if Ani assisted Windu instead, then palps would already be dead ~ there's no way a clear headed chosen one + fully able bodied Mace Windu can't defeat a sith lord.
Mace windu was about to kill papaltaine if it wasn’t for anakin
Mace was a badass mf'r
Windu only got roasted by the lightning after Anakin intervened and (literally) disarmed him. Before that, Windu absolutely had the advantage. While I still fully believe Palpatine is far stronger than Windu by a longshot, Windu’s Vapaad is a STUPID hard counter to Sith Lords. So Windu momentarily overpowering Palpatine made perfect sense in that instance
Plus I fully believe that Palpatine was holding back and could’ve gotten up at almost any time if he weren’t specifically trying to turn Anakin at that moment
@@dq8262 Yeah, I think the guy needs to watch that scene again. 😆
@@grandempress1947 Palpatine was by no means helpless after being disarmed by Mace Windu, as shown with his onslaught of Force lightning. As described in the Revenge of the Sith novel, Palpatine was slowly pushing Windu’s lightsaber blade towards him and could have killed him with his own weapon if he persisted. But killing Mace Windu in front of Anakin (or before he arrived) would have been detrimental to Palpatine’s plans of corrupting Skywalker, as doing so would vindicate Mace’s description of the Sith as dangerous enemies of the Jedi. Palpatine needed Anakin to see him as the only way to save Padme. With Anakin watching, Palpatine put up a façade of a helpless old man, who conjured lightning against Windu as a means of self-defense. By framing himself as the victim of a Jedi coup, Palpatine blurred the lines between Jedi and Sith for Anakin and forced Mace Windu into a situation that villainized him. Mace, unintentionally, repeated a phrase that Palpatine had said to Anakin about Dooku. With the Jedi and Sith seeming philosophically the same to Anakin, he inevitably chose the side that at least might save his wife. Anakin dismembered Windu, allowing Palpatine to drop his façade of weakness and assault the Jedi Master with lightning once more, killing him.
It may be true that Mace Windu overpowered Palpatine during their lightsaber duel, but Palpatine had the opportunity to ambush him as he did to the other Jedi and kill him without a prolonged fight. Mace’s use of Vaapad allowed him to keep up with the legendary Sith Lord and his Shatterpoint ability allowed him to deal a disarming blow. Despite this victory, Palpatine was in almost complete control of the entire conflict, as he often is, orchestrating nearly every detail and securing his ultimate victory of Anakin’s allegiance. Palpatine may not have specifically allowed Mace Windu to defeat him in Star Wars: Episode III - Revenge of the Sith, but his control over the situation and superior strength in the Force made him the true winner of the duel.
How about the powers of plo koon or qui gon jinn. You could even do one on revan.
Long story short, Palpatine confirmed that Mace was more of a threat in combat while Yoda was more of a teacher/politician. Mace was just being humble. It sounds legit based on what happened in the prequels. Yoda was more of a spiritual leader at that point.
I think it is clear Palpatine took Mace's words to heart as when Mace and 3 other Jedi came to arrest him he attacked them all head on. He dispatched the other 3 with relative ease and probably believed he could defeat Windu as well. He was wrong as Mace Windu lightsaber skills were at least as good as Palpatine without Vapaad and shatterpoint but with it he was able to turn the dark power of the Sith back onto him defeating him in lightsaber combat. For all his "unlimited power" I think this battle probably shook Palpatine more than he would ever admit and when soon after he was faced with Yoda the Jedi Mace Windu confirmed to be his superior in both peace and war he tried to flee and only fought when Yoda prevented his escape.
Tbh I was very surprised by the mace vs sidious fight. Of course I would expect it to be close, but it was always my belief that sidious had LET mace trap him in order to get anakin to turn on mace and turn into Vader.
But apparently the truth is that mace pretty much won and sidious really did need anakin’s help.
But I’d be willing to bet episode 6 sidious could have beaten mace, since he had 25 years more experience by that point, not to mention the fact that there was much more dark side energy in the universe as a result of the Empire and all the evil things it did
@@pIayingwithmahwii Yeah Sidious from ROTJ power was far greater than his prequel trilogy power. He was more experienced, had all the time and freedom he wanted to study the dark side to an even greater extent, collect Dark side artefacts etc. Now he would be in his 80s and Mace would be like 78 by return of the Jedi so its hard to say how either would be in a lightsaber duel by that point, of course they could both use the force to augment themselves physically as Yoda and Count Dooku did. The only thing Mace has in his favour is the Vaapad lightsaber form which channels dark side energy back against the opponent. I believe this is why Mace was able to reflect the lightning back at Sidious in Ep 3 when most Jedi would simply be disintegrated along with their lightsaber as Sidious's force lightning was so much more powerful than Dooku's (Rey reflecting his lightning back at him in Ep 9 was absolute nonsense). You could argue the greater Sidious's dark side power the more power Mace can channel against him with Vaapad. This is pretty much unique to Mace as he is the only Jedi to master Vaapad.
The only reason Windu defeated Palpatine is to make Anakin think Windu was about to kill him. When Anakin cut Windu’s hand off, he saw too late that Palpatine was playing possum for his benefit.
That doesn't add up. Windu disarmed Palpatine before Anikin got there. Yes, Palpatine played weak after that point, but he was already beaten in the dual.
Mace windu admitting that Yoda is more powerful was a shatter point. And he saw it. Then responded to the shatter point
it has been confirmed, tho, that by the time of episode 3, mace was more powerful. yoda’s peak did surpass windu’s though.
When Was that confirmed
You’re right on the first half, but wrong on the second half. Master Yoda trained to maintain his peak power throughout his entire life. So he became the most powerful Jedi for a very long time. And was surpassed buy mace Windu. Remember y’all Yoda only trained to maintain his power from declining but he never trained to increase his power beyond what it was for several hundreds years.
Throughout his entire life mace Windu only trained to increase his power level. Because he was the ultimate warrior of the Jedi. So if you survive in the episode four somehow someway he would definitely be more powerful than the emperor. But by the time of episode three he was equal to emperor Palpa teen’s power is not slightly stronger. Because even in the novelization it gave greater context saying that mace Windu surpassed Vapaad its self in his fight versus the dark Lord of the Sith. Also this is the first and only time they pad was used successfully in a fight, that means mace Windu had no prior knowledge or successful experience using Vapaad. Until this fight.
@@jordanglasper1064 not really. Yoda outdueled mace and his equal jedi dooku in sparring matches all the time, has been stated to be the strongest jedi of the prequel era multiple times and mace himself said that he wasnt yodas equal "neither in peace nor in battle". Yoda also stomped regular dooku and beat amped dooku while holding back (for reference regular dooku alone went toe to toe with mace multiple times or just barely got beaten.) and has disarmed sidious in lightsaber combat without much of a trouble, matched him force power and mere sight of yoda caused sidious to try run away before the fight even started. This is while mace had to use vaapad (something that wont work on yoda) to its full potential and focus with all he had just to keep up with sidious' speed.
Well technically Mace Windu has some advantage due to his fighting style having the edge and the hax to keep up with Sidious since he's literally fighting a sith Lord and Vaapad is suited for fighting the sith with harnessing the dark side of the opponent and using it against them and the more you fight the more powerful you can get and the shatterpoint can point out and to work as a strategy or means to detect the weakness of the opponent, but when fighting a light Side it can be quite maybe useless against light Side of the force so Yoda is clearly more powerful in terms of speed, skill, experience and force powers like using his barehands to redirect Sidious Force Lightning which is god tier amongst other sith Lords and even Sidious tried to retreat, "if so powerful you are, why leave?"
Something came to mind and I wonder if every Jedi never retired from being a Jedi they always seem to get killed before they retire
Yoda died of auld age.
Kinda hard to retire when you're in a galatic war and dealing with Order 66.
@@darthlazurus4382 true
Have you done that 40 minutes video on yodas achievements?
Yoda beat Sidious hard in lightsaber duel as well.... And Sidious had to go over to force use, where Yoda rag rolled him there as well... Even taking a full power force lightning with his bare hands, and even throwing it back at Sidious.. Just luck made it so Yoda fell down several meters, smashing to the ground while Sidious did not... So.. Yoda is more powerful in every way, just as he's always been..
im still dissapointed with that fight, that fight could have kept going. And still think it was a cop out on how they would explain he was "exiled".
In my experience, there's no such thing as luck.
I just would like to thank you and a few other TH-camrs for saving Star Wars because just thank you
Bruh in the Star Wars verse it seems like everyone is one of the greatest dualist to ever live
Mace is definitely one of my favorite Jedi of all time. I've done a lot of reading on just how powerful and disciplined Mace is with the Force and Lightsaber combat. I wish we could've seen more of it in the Clone Wars seasons and on screen. I hope Mace is still alive somehow in Canon.
I really wish we can see Plo koon fight. The jedi who beat Yoda in a duel
I love It! Great job!
It always cracked me up how yoda killed those clones then hopped on the Wookies back like a child 😂
"When 900 years old you reach; kick as much ass you will not... hmm?"
-Yoda
With everything flawed with Mace he got this one right. It makes sense from every way to look at it. After almost a literal millennia of being THE absolutely MOST powerful Jedi and NEVER let either his Powers OR his physical combat skill wane despite rarely needing them it just then makes sense being WAY more experienced then basically ANYONEan everyone alive, ANYWHERE that Yoda would be at least by a small Margin the BETTER across most if not the whole board. This is eventually what other notable Jedi like Anakin an Kenobi coulda come close to had they lived long enough and stayed that whole time as Jedi. At being FULLY trained and having finally mastered his darker side. In an alternative reality, Grandmaster Anakin Skywalker woulda been ridiculously powerful literally BOTH of them in one. Since he was a Soldier Jedi too. Always wondered though if a lack of Potential woulda kept Obi from ever getting such powers since his Midochorlian count never was anything to raise eyebrows at just good enough to get the majority of jobs done. Or perhaps maybe despite initial chorlian count he could, an others like him, STILL grow to be absurdly powerful anyways while fully matured characters that eventually become Yodas an/or Windus that started as Anakins just did their thing as they matured and slowly figured it out an mastered themselves
Obi-Wan to me shows that while having a high medi count makes you strong. Your faith and trust in the Force can make you equally, if not more powerful. He was weak and masterless for years to go on to become *the* master of defense.
@@brosephbroman7564 yeah, ironic that one isn't it... To the point where LITERALLY the MOST deadly of enemies... Like #2 far as they know of falls to him in basically the equal of a no holds barred street fight style dual.. in his fight against Grevious.
Even more so he found to be both particularly adept as a fighter and negotiations an yet the series only kinda did right by him letting his skills wane... Like WHY would you spend literally decades in the deep desert mostly to yourself, so long the planet comes to know you as one of them.. but a recluse an you don't spend ANY of that time retaining your amazing and apparently legendary blade skills.. seeing as word has it Vader literally over compensated in his training in anticipation of another brutal climactic showdown that probably came as anticlimactic when it finally happened... Honestly I think bout the only one far as enemies go that Kenobi wouldn't stand ANY real chance with is Sideous himself. He's just NOT gonna be able to handle someone THAT psychotic, lethal an leagues MORE powerful then him an probably alot more skilled if the Dark one is seriously determined to put his head on a pike personally and literally. Or something like that.
Mace wasn't flawed! He was an adult/man. He wasn't about the BS and being controlled by his emotions!
@@arronfrazier7873 an see that's where is wrong... He's ACTUALLY quite biased an the movies LITERALLY show him being hypocritical. He was SO dogmatically Lightside he was BLINDED by overconfidence, inflexibility, Arrogance an even biased an a bit spiteful. Notably where Anakin was concerned. An AFTER how he treated Anakin an being more then a judgemental, arrogant pain in ones ass over the teacher Mace SHOULD been an WASNT most the time just assumed there'd been NO risks or penalties for that.. THAT'S NOT flawless. He coulda HELPED guide Anakin an help PERSONALLY train but spent most time judgmental.. Truth be told regarding Anakin, despite, the latter's flaws HIS job was to address issues with his subordinates an groom them to perhaps take HIS place one day. Obi, Yoda an alot the other Council members did a better job more usually there then he did. One the best an one my favorite fighters but he's hardly a saint
While mace windu was the last person any ditch would wanna fight his main feat is his lightsaber skill and form however it is stated that no Jedi in yodas era could beat him in a lightsaber duel and yoda besides anakins potential was probably he best with the force in his era to
And then theres plo koon......
@@desantinotafrancesco2639 yeah I know he did beat yoda once in a duel
@@The_Brown_Baby he's so underrated, man has yellow force lightning too.
@@desantinotafrancesco2639 force judgement and yeah I know I wanted to see so much more and wish more movies were made in the republic era or the ancient eras of star wars would be dope to have bane or revan as an antagonist
@@The_Brown_Baby i definitely agree.
Where the rubber hits the road, overall, it's Yoda. In fighting Sith it's Windu, because of Vaapad. It is true that Shatterpoint gives Windu a strong advantage on the battlefield and in tactics, but as a strong 2nd to Yoda, his vital Right-hand man, I would say.
@GRAND EMPRESS Palpatine was by no means helpless after being disarmed by Mace Windu, as shown with his onslaught of Force lightning. As described in the Revenge of the Sith novel, Palpatine was slowly pushing Windu’s lightsaber blade towards him and could have killed him with his own weapon if he persisted. But killing Mace Windu in front of Anakin (or before he arrived) would have been detrimental to Palpatine’s plans of corrupting Skywalker, as doing so would vindicate Mace’s description of the Sith as dangerous enemies of the Jedi. Palpatine needed Anakin to see him as the only way to save Padme. With Anakin watching, Palpatine put up a façade of a helpless old man, who conjured lightning against Windu as a means of self-defense. By framing himself as the victim of a Jedi coup, Palpatine blurred the lines between Jedi and Sith for Anakin and forced Mace Windu into a situation that villainized him. Mace, unintentionally, repeated a phrase that Palpatine had said to Anakin about Dooku. With the Jedi and Sith seeming philosophically the same to Anakin, he inevitably chose the side that at least might save his wife. Anakin dismembered Windu, allowing Palpatine to drop his façade of weakness and assault the Jedi Master with lightning once more, killing him.
It may be true that Mace Windu overpowered Palpatine during their lightsaber duel, but Palpatine had the opportunity to ambush him as he did to the other Jedi and kill him without a prolonged fight. Mace’s use of Vaapad allowed him to keep up with the legendary Sith Lord and his Shatterpoint ability allowed him to deal a disarming blow. Despite this victory, Palpatine was in almost complete control of the entire conflict, as he often is, orchestrating nearly every detail and securing his ultimate victory of Anakin’s allegiance. Palpatine may not have specifically allowed Mace Windu to defeat him in Star Wars: Episode III - Revenge of the Sith, but his control over the situation and superior strength in the Force made him the true winner of the duel.
It was always my belief that sidious let mace pin him there in order to get anakin to turn on mace and turn on the Jedi order.
But apparently mace did legitimately pin him down. Palpatine had a higher midichlorian count than mace, and had more experience over the force, so MAYBE he would have been able to shove mace own blade into himself, but I don’t know. It looked pretty close, or if anything mace had the edge in that force battle
Can you pls make that 40 minute video about yoda's abilities?
Well, as far as the greatest duelist of this time period, it's gotta be Plo Koon. He was the only being ever to defeat Yoda in a duel
That wasn't a duel to the death . That was a sparring match which even plo koon admitted that Yoda didn't use All his other combat forms which he is a master at...
@@EmeraldRose still counts
There should have been a scene where Yoda and Mace Windu fight some nasty siths
6:32 You're welcome
I think being almost killed by Windy might have clinched it for him tbh
I want you to know that I don't say much but i like your work & I always watch.
nobody rivaled Yoda's faith in the force. And nobody had a closer relationship with it, while being so much at peace.
Cool vid
No one, and I mean no one is more powerful than Yoda. 900 years old is not without experience or mastering his craft. Yoda held back A LOT
I thought Palpatine was playing it up to get Anakin to help him out
Nah I used to think that as well. Then George Lucas admitted years ago that Mace Windu defeated Palpatine in the 1 on 1 fight..
@@stardust1621 that is not true at all🤦🏻♂️ Sidious lost due too Anakin being his shatter point and threw the entire fight anyways
@@eynjay8046 Yeah that's what I hear however George Lucas did admit that Mace Windu did in fact beat the future emperor in the confrontation between the two of them.. I believe George Lucas over everybody because he is the original writer.. Thanks for your thoughts though..
He started playing it up when Anakin arrived, as in when Anakin walked into the room and Palps saw him.
But the duel was full on and Mace bested him fair and square.
@@stardust1621 Cool beans. I did not know this but thanks for sharing
I think Yoda will slice up windu if it came down to it. Yoda has so much more battle IQ and Experience.
I always wonder if Yoda and Obi-Wan knew maces demise. They saw the footage at the temple etc. But did they ever learn who and how offed mace?
I believe they would suspect, but unless they had a vision that showed the event, no one would be able tae tell them and they weren't on speaking terns with Palpatine and Vader.
It’s unclear if Windu is even dead, but if he is, Yoda knows. He could sense the death of every Jedi that fell during Order 66.
For all the fools who say Sidious threw the Windu fight to appeal to Anakin that's complete BS as George Lucas the creator of Star Wars even admits and announces Sidious didn't throw the fight or sense Anakin coming (that's why Sidious looks surprised when he sees Anakin) He did say "Windu fairly did disarm and defeat Sidious in their battle and was going to Kill Sidious and neither of them Sidious or Windu sensed Anakin" (End Quote) That's why they both look surprised to see Anakin and Sidious looked more surprised than Windu did considering Windu was focused on Killing Sidious which he was able to do and was about to do it until Anakin saved Sidious. We can also see a genuine look of surprise and Fear from Sidious when he's begging please don't as Windu gets ready to bring down the Lightsaber to finish off Sidious. George Lucas did say "The look of Fear on Sidious's face was real he wasn't faking it he was actually scared for his life" (End Quote) However when Sidious is babbling about how the Jedi are taking over and saying he has the power to save the ones Anakin loves George Lucas does admit "that was the manipulation that Sidious used on Anakin which worked in converting him to the Darkside" (End Quote) So in my opinion Windu is more powerful than Yoda because he fairly defeated Sidious while Yoda came close but actually lost to Sidious because he Forfeited the fight by running away. Also Windu could walk the line between Darkside and Lightside without ever converting to the Sith while Yoda could never do that. So with all of that proof and those exact quotes from George Lucas it's obviously obvious that Windu was a little better than Yoda. Only reason why Windu would say Yoda is better is because Windu is humble and does not want to Disrespect Yoda but deep down he knows he's more powerful than Yoda.
Mace windu is king, I feel like he will be willing to do what is necessary instead of doing "whats right". He's the Batman in star wars.
Am i the only one hearing these hard pops in your videos?
Didn't you post this recently ?
Who is more stronger Mace Windu or Yoda? The answer is yes, its Kit Fisto
in water he was a beast.
@@GREENHOUSE_LIGHTSHOW yeah maybe thats why he choose to be Shii-cho user since it need large swing if he's underwater easy peasy
"Best duelist of his time" *800+ years*
Idc if we already know everything about yoda, i would legit watch an hour long video made by you about yoda. Like every detail of every nuance of every detail.
Then again im weird sooo idk if anyone else would watch it 😂🤷♂️
How couldn’t Windu state Yoda was MORE… he trained most of them
Sad to see Yoda not bring powerful in Battlefront 2
I used to think that as well. But change your playing style with him. You have to stay moving. Attack a target once move to the next then circle back to the first one. Use the whole map. He's small. Hides well when running
to be fair at the time of clone wars yoda was old af. Like for a human it would be the equivalent of
But he still was super quick due to his species inherent reflexes as well as his quickness paired with dueling form. He outdueled palpatine only to lose a battle of force power with the floating Senate seats
@@Thehomelessathlete Well he was quick because use the force to increase his physical moves when he duel. and was better than most at it.
@@Thehomelessathlete He also was debuffed from losing so many Jedi at once and feeling it everywhere through the force as well as he knew Palpatine was fighting to delay for TIME as reinforcements we're coming. So Yoda decided to not risk the fate of the future all on the gamble . Yoda knew that sometimes you have to lose a battle to win a war
Better yet, do one on Windu.
I fucking love Windu. He is my all time favorite besides the nameless jedi that can parry lightsabers barehanded.
Just want to point out that the quote doesn’t say that yoda is better, it just says he is not his equal. That can be interpreted as yoda being the better of the two or mace as being the better of the two, as in either case they wouldn’t be equals.
The only thing that sidious said that was true was that anikan had the potential to be more powerful than either of them (sidious and yoda)
Most powerful based on potential and midichlorian count in order were Anakin, Sidious, Yoda, mace. They were all in a tier of their own, capable of beating each other.
Although by episode 3 anakin had very little experience compared to these other three, and he had barely tapped into his force potential, so at the time each of them could have wiped the floor with anakin.
Anakin with full potential would be a tier WAY above even the sidious-yoda-mace tier.
Obi wan at full power would be a tier below those guys
And in my opinion full power obi wan was in the same tier as dooku, but one spot below him in skill and power
@@pIayingwithmahwiipotential yes…lightsaber dueling no. Yoda beats em all tbh.
Regardless of their answer to such questions, Jedi do not indulge themselves with assessments of their superiority-or lack thereof-to other Jedi.
To do so would be an indulgence of pride and vanity. These feelings are natural of course and should not be ignored as doing so would be an act of self-deception and repression.
But neither should a Jedi seek to indulge their feelings of personal pride without first searching, investigating, and understanding their nature, origin, and management.
To do so would only open a Jedi to the power of the Dark Side as slowly dropping water cracks a crevice into a canyon if given enough time.
I may be wrong but haven't you posted this exact video before? I find it really interesting but I could of swore I heard this already from your channel. Either way good stuff, love the channel. I'm a HUGE SWTOR player and with the new 7.0 patch just coming out were getting a bunch of new players and I love it and I love the resurgence of new and old star wars fans getting back into it!
I also think that Windu was better than Yoda when it came to fighting dark side users IN PARTICULAR because of Vaapad, aside from that Yoda prolly was stronger than him in all other aspects. That's my view anyways.
Also I think that no matters what Windu would have said this because of his great respect for Yoda, even if Windu could of bested Yoda he would first never have tried or let himself win and he would never have admitted that which for all their faults and his faults is a very true Jedi thing to do. Respect to his loyalty and reverence for his master!
Mace and Qui Gon Jinn are among my top 2 favorite people in all of star wars, and of course Luke minus the Last 3 movies which in my mind never happened and is not cannon :(
@GRAND EMPRESS Palpatine was by no means helpless after being disarmed by Mace Windu, as shown with his onslaught of Force lightning. As described in the Revenge of the Sith novel, Palpatine was slowly pushing Windu’s lightsaber blade towards him and could have killed him with his own weapon if he persisted. But killing Mace Windu in front of Anakin (or before he arrived) would have been detrimental to Palpatine’s plans of corrupting Skywalker, as doing so would vindicate Mace’s description of the Sith as dangerous enemies of the Jedi. Palpatine needed Anakin to see him as the only way to save Padme. With Anakin watching, Palpatine put up a façade of a helpless old man, who conjured lightning against Windu as a means of self-defense. By framing himself as the victim of a Jedi coup, Palpatine blurred the lines between Jedi and Sith for Anakin and forced Mace Windu into a situation that villainized him. Mace, unintentionally, repeated a phrase that Palpatine had said to Anakin about Dooku. With the Jedi and Sith seeming philosophically the same to Anakin, he inevitably chose the side that at least might save his wife. Anakin dismembered Windu, allowing Palpatine to drop his façade of weakness and assault the Jedi Master with lightning once more, killing him.
It may be true that Mace Windu overpowered Palpatine during their lightsaber duel, but Palpatine had the opportunity to ambush him as he did to the other Jedi and kill him without a prolonged fight. Mace’s use of Vaapad allowed him to keep up with the legendary Sith Lord and his Shatterpoint ability allowed him to deal a disarming blow. Despite this victory, Palpatine was in almost complete control of the entire conflict, as he often is, orchestrating nearly every detail and securing his ultimate victory of Anakin’s allegiance. Palpatine may not have specifically allowed Mace Windu to defeat him in Star Wars: Episode III - Revenge of the Sith, but his control over the situation and superior strength in the Force made him the true winner of the duel.
Yoda was the most powerful light side user ever, but since he never channeled the dark side he would only ever be the equal to his dark side counterpart.
Which is why Anakin was considered the "Chosen" one, since he could return balance to the force, meaning he could channel both without falling to either side, and his power therefore being greater than Yoda, Mace, or Sidious in that regard.
Luke being of that line, had the potential to become even greater than Anakin or Vader,
If Yoda and Sidious fought several times, it would literally be a 50/50 odd on which one would win, based on high ground, neutral ground, etc...
Yodas whole principle was the force was to be used as defense, never offense....
Which limits his overall power. Hence why in Yodas combat scenes, the screen cuts, and demonstrations of intents, palpatine smirking while pressing the attack, with Yoda having the look of determination to repel those attacks.
Vegeta and Goku 🔥🔥 both slap
Sidious valued power. He was saying "f*ck that light side stuff, focus on war" Palpatine doing what he does. Sow seeds of corruption
Mace refuted him, but Mace attachment was the Republic. That was his weakness
Why did it show episode 8 at the end
In terms of experience, Yoda is more powerful because he's been around for centuries. Windu in terms of how many actual battles we've seen him encountered in. Yoda's history is extremely fabian but the two are very much powerful in their own right.
Windu by far was more power against the sith because of vaapad. He was a sith dueling specialist.
It’s yoda. It’s always been yoda
Yoda was definitely the Riegning Bad ass of his Era. Luke Skywalker in his Era. Revan in his along with Bastilla Shan. To give the the Title of Badest Jedi or most powerful in all the known Era's of the Canon SW Universe is tough to call. I have to give the Jedi Crown To Luke Skywalker! His force abilities overall is only matched on the Dark Side by Malan Gerick, aka Starkiller. Yoda, Bastilla Shan and Revan has thier legitimate arguments. But still Luke. I mean he basically defeated Abloth! Let's not forget, while facing a Mob of rebellious Sith too. C'mon. Who the F..k can natch that feat???
He did all that just to be portrayed in the way he was in the final couple movies.... A coward and hermit that'd rather watch the galaxy sink into darkness on his island rather than do something about it... his nephew would of been a cake walk. I didn't like the whole Palpatine clone life force thing, but I would of veen okay with it if we would have gotten a full circle moment with Luke vs Palpatine final battle with maybe a Anakin force voice thrown in to help his son against the person that both killed Vader and also played a roll turning him to the light... Light vs dark, Grandmaster vs Sith Lord.
Mace windu was a beast butt Yoda is the GarAND master for a reason he just has some much experience hundreds of years to practice ones skill pretty crazy if you think about it and mace was pretty young still butt still doesn't compare to the amount of time Yoda had to perfect his force abilities. Always love the content man I come back and watch your videos time and time again best star wars content on YODATUDE
If only they’d given Yoda growth hormones as a kid…. More midichlorians maybe. 😂
Yoda based on most statements and feats only Sidious, The Skywalkers, And The Mereks in Legends had a higher potential and midichlorian count then the green grandmaster yeah.
Fallout 4's version of Shatter point is VATS. Well something similar
Without the interference of Anakin, Windu would have defated Palpetine, whereas Yoda lost against him.
yodas a grandmaster i mean he can block force lightning with his bare hands
1. Yoda 2. Luke 3. Anakin 4. Mace 5. Obi-Wan ( my opinion )
But the top 4 is very VERY close. Obi-Wan falls far behind.
@@bubbajoezappern I'd put Mace above Anakin. and above Luke if we're talking canon. Plo Koon was underrated though, he's the only Jedi to beat Yoda in one sparring session, plus he can use yellow force lightning.
No love for Dooku
Even though he beat Obi-Wan multiple times.
I was just going with the characters mentioned in the video. Of course we can mention Dooku and Plo. Mace has also beaten Yoda I'm pretty sure.
lol when they had to CGI Palpatine's face onto the stunt double, it looked so shiddy. Trying to pass it off as him losing control over his Force illusion.
In fairness Yoda had 900 years to practice lol 😂
I always had a sense that Palpatine let Windu win that fight and that it was all part of his plan to bring Anakin to the dark side. Had Palpatine been really trying I think he would have easily bested Windu. But that’s just my thoughts/hunch.
If he was really trying he would’ve choked the shit out of Windu
As Lucas said, Palps didn't let Windu win, he knew he would lose in a fight eventually, but the gambit was to get Anakin to strike Mace down while the Master was deep in Vaapad and ready to kill Palps in front of Anakin.
@@NakAnderso No, Windu's personal force shield was far too powerful for that. It's very hard to catch a Master off guard enough to do that, unless there's a huge power disparity, and there wasn't between those two.
@@Just_Pele oh wow. I had no idea. Damn. Windu was super powerful then! Thanks for the additional context.
@GRAND EMPRESS Palpatine was by no means helpless after being disarmed by Mace Windu, as shown with his onslaught of Force lightning. As described in the Revenge of the Sith novel, Palpatine was slowly pushing Windu’s lightsaber blade towards him and could have killed him with his own weapon if he persisted. But killing Mace Windu in front of Anakin (or before he arrived) would have been detrimental to Palpatine’s plans of corrupting Skywalker, as doing so would vindicate Mace’s description of the Sith as dangerous enemies of the Jedi. Palpatine needed Anakin to see him as the only way to save Padme. With Anakin watching, Palpatine put up a façade of a helpless old man, who conjured lightning against Windu as a means of self-defense. By framing himself as the victim of a Jedi coup, Palpatine blurred the lines between Jedi and Sith for Anakin and forced Mace Windu into a situation that villainized him. Mace, unintentionally, repeated a phrase that Palpatine had said to Anakin about Dooku. With the Jedi and Sith seeming philosophically the same to Anakin, he inevitably chose the side that at least might save his wife. Anakin dismembered Windu, allowing Palpatine to drop his façade of weakness and assault the Jedi Master with lightning once more, killing him.
It may be true that Mace Windu overpowered Palpatine during their lightsaber duel, but Palpatine had the opportunity to ambush him as he did to the other Jedi and kill him without a prolonged fight. Mace’s use of Vaapad allowed him to keep up with the legendary Sith Lord and his Shatterpoint ability allowed him to deal a disarming blow. Despite this victory, Palpatine was in almost complete control of the entire conflict, as he often is, orchestrating nearly every detail and securing his ultimate victory of Anakin’s allegiance. Palpatine may not have specifically allowed Mace Windu to defeat him in Star Wars: Episode III - Revenge of the Sith, but his control over the situation and superior strength in the Force made him the true winner of the duel.
Personally I think revan was probably right up there with them and possibly above them, though idk that might just be me confusing his time as a sith lord with his time as a Jedi
YOU SAID PALPATINE! NOT ONCE was he mentioned.
Freaking click bait scammer....lol
He did actually
@@carlosgarza400 briefly but yes
He's just pointing out the fact that that's who said it not click bait that's just who said it
@@carlosgarza400 oh did he..... was it a comformtion 🤔
Mace Windu is more skilled in combat and specifically his form involves channeling the Dark side of their enemy which meant that the more powerful his enemy in the dark side the stronger he is. He was a perfect counter to Palpatine which is why he did better than Yoda. Mace Windu is better at fighting a Sith one on one because his skills lend to it but if he fought Yoda his skills wouldn't work as well and he would lose. But overall Yoda has more knowledge, experience, and skill with the force. Mace Windu is only better than yoda when engaging in a lightsaber battle with a Dark side user. Also I apologize since I haven't read a ton of canon star wars books but I don't remember Luke Disarming or fighting let a lone defeating Palpatine.
No, Palpatine was arrogant and let windu's form go to its full potential. Yoda disarmed Palpatine purely by superior combat skill. Windu did not.
yoda was damn near 900 years old when fighting palpatine n still kept up 😭😭
Make that 40 minute video about Yoda, I'd love to see it.
Palpatine obviously ran from yoda in their fight and got desperate w his powers but was unable however to handle the raw strength in power of mace windu. Yodas the more powerful Jedi but palpatine def found mace to be the more challenging opponent for him
Let’s see that 40 min video :)
As a Jedi ages they pass their prime as we are told in several canon sources. Yoda was 900 years age, well past his prime, and still able to equal Sidious. Is his prime, Yoda would easily have overshadowed both Windu and Sidious, but that time was long past, perhaps hundreds of years, literally. As such, this is the only reason there is any debate. At prime, neither would have held a candle to Yoda.
Windu beat Palpatine in revenge of the Sith. If Sky Walker doesn't butt in Windu would have killed Palpatine. Later in the Movie Palpatine faces Yoda and clearly defeats Yoda. Yoda actually runs in shame.
The Purple one and the Green Thumb
Funny, after all this it essentially comes down to Sidious having his shit together and the two top Jedi do not.
"Arrogance blinds you Master Yoda."
Imagine Windu and Yoda walk into Palpatines office together to take him out? The jedi were impatient and arrogant at this time. Everything they supposedly teach against. They deserved what they got.
Could yoda have learned vaapad? I do think raw power yoda has an edge but is very close windu may have a edge for light saber combat 🤔idk maybe not
No cuz it won’t work on light side users plus Yoda disarmed palps without Vaapad.
You dit this video before????
Windu being humble