If social media and videos like this existed when I was young my life would have been completely different. I'm almost 50 and when I was young they literally trained us to put up with this type of abuse. It was par for the course. It was expected that you were going to endure this and what we were told was to not talk about it. I'm so happy that social media exists and women finally have a voice to tell their stories and change the future for women.
SAME…and I’m almost 60. What struck a chord for me early in the video was the mention of how predatory behavior from men is normalized. It’s been normalized since basically forever! in most (not all) cultures around the world. Young women (and hopefully young men if they’re lucky) have the opportunity to grow up in a completely different environment based on mutual respect and understanding. How incredible would that be? As much as we can, we should be working towards this.
Im way Younger than You and i was raised like that by a pick me mom, is NEVER about old times, is being raised by a male Center women ... Funny enought i NEVER EVER listened to her, for me Even as Young as 9 when she start training me to Center men i always wonder why ???? Why My feelings worth less than a total stranger boy that i havent Even meet??? My mom used to told me to NEVER hurt men ego, to fake they are actually smarter ... Like ma'am are You ok ???? Then later in life by 17 i meet my grandma and understood everything, worse pick me EVER... I was glad i had also a great dad that since little also told me to NEVER allow a men to mistreat me, and he treat me like a princess, SO yeah maybe thats why i never Center men, cuz the man in My life pamper me and respect me 😅 ...so my mom words were so weird to me xD
Wow. In Sandman, one of the stories is about a writer who buys the imprisoned goddess, Calliope, and proceeds to grape her in his basement to inspire his "female positive" novels. In the end, the goddess is unable to free herself, and contacts Dream (the Sandman) to rescue her, which Dream does (reluctantly) by flooding the writer with so many story ideas he goes insane. At the time I read this story (1990's) I felt vaguely suspicious that Gaiman could build such a believable scenario. And with this current video, I'm also suspicious of this "hero complex" duality in the story - that women are powerless against abusive men, and must demean themselves with begging and promises to receive that rescue. Sickening.
Further into the video: men being calculated and patient. This is how Gaiman writes - and I had once admired. He planted many seeds of ideas as his stories progressed, and it seemed as if he would then go back to an off-hand, unimportant character, then breathe life into them and give them a larger narrative - the strange menagerie of characters in the boarding house in Dolls House, for instance. All of them seemed like throwaway oddities. But when he brought them all back at the end, to me, it seemed less like he'd planned it all along than he simply looked over his works for characters he could expand. There were so many "NPCs" in his books. He really could have picked any of them. It gives his works a feeling of planned brilliance, when really he's just good at writing, not planning. I could equally imagine that he touches lightly on thousands of women at these events, then can simply pluck one that seems ripe to develop into a deeper relationship of abuse.
@@yv_editI truly love your videos! I almost didn't click...until I saw yv_edit! ...maybe make a good logo?? I'll click for you! (Not those eff-wads!😂)
Sickening indeed, I’ve watched that episode and was thinking how inhumane this is and how “normalised” this attitude towards women was just a few years ago, disgusting
Fight, flight, freeze needs to be taught to women more often. Its so common, during a shocking traumatic event and its worse when a woman was traumatized as a child. Patriarchy has brainwashed everyone to believe that women are not humans and men can do whatever they want.
I was a Nanny to a family years ago and the DAY I started, the husband showed up and completely got into my personal space and caressed my inner forearm while telling me a story about his daughters and how he does this to them when they go get ice cream in his vintage cars. I FROZE. I had just recently gotten out of an abusive 14 Yr long marriage and hadn't healed to a point to set boundaries or speak up. When I got home I broke down crying: because my personal space was breached and I didn't speak up and stop him. I was SO upset with myself. 😢 I hate to say it, but I stayed 3 years with this family. I was desperate for a job and truly loved his wife and 3 daughters. I thank the Universe that the only crap this creep pulled was talking about really inappropriate things once in a while, including telling me a random story about how he _walked in on his teen daughter masturbating._ Like, WTF?!?? And he is a good manipulator. He was kind, giving and charming more times than he was inappropriate which kept me off guard, not knowing when it would happen again, which caused me anxiety. I'm learning how to speak up and not freeze. It's really difficult for me. I seem to be more concerned about making the other person upset or uncomfortable by my speaking up 😢 These stories are horrifying. HORRIFYING. Thank you, Lisa, for talking about this. ❤
I read a fantastic article on consent. That it isn't just yes or No. Go further fo deeper. It is an on going collaborative process, a discussion if you like especially in a relationship. Ongoing communication. Likes, dislikes, hard boundaries, what has changed, what you liked, what you didn't like etc
We live in a world in which kindness, beauty, and youth are seen as exploitable. So much of our cultural goods are made by predatory people, because our world rewards these people. Over and over, we see these people, these exploiters, held before us as admirable, interesting, worth knowing and worth knowing about. Please keep in mind that these exploiters connect to a wider cultural back history that supports and encourages them.
This is so very true. Life is viewed as expendable and just some tool appliance to use up and be discarded by out of touch and humanity power and resource hoarders. MEANWHILE abusive claims to power and status no matter the cost are seen as applause-worthy, role model behavior. Life drainers are worshipped, adored, emulated and everyone else treated as lesser being. Very backwards and messed up for social species to place "values" like this. Predators and destroyers get immunity to be voted off the island while protective and aware women (either courageous victim or someone in their corner) get declawed and blacklisted. Mama bears vilified and victims mocked and denied empathy, treated as if THEY are the problem! As if it's their fault for speaking up and being a buzzkill instead of men who mistreated them in the first place. While these bad mojo men run consequence-free, crown holding tight to their heads and them being nonchalant as if it's the most normal and understandable thing to do and "wHaT aBoUt HiS fuTUrE". Makes me sick. They use their power imbalance to get what they want and then silence everyone into not crossing them. Everyone is trained into not caring lest they get severely socially punished by this man's ties to places of opportunity or social capital adoration for his work/looks/popularity! WHAT!
Don't forget the Woodsmen in Red Riding Hood, he's the archetype of the 'good man' protecting women, but for his position to work, it requires we believe that wolf is worse, when they both are. For the cows, the fence keeps the wolves out...but they are locked in with the farmer...who drains them of al their resources.
This SUPER common. This is how JonBenet Ramsey and Maddie Soto were murdered. Think about that: a man is strangling his partner, watching her losing consciousness, while he's inside her, and he feels all powerful. And, they are so close to orgasming from the thrill of her dying, that they actually kill her. Then they have their orgasm. This is all for an orgasm. Men truly think that their orgasm is more important than a female's life.
Thank you for covering this subject. We need to explore the systems that are used to exploit. Even if we have previously liked an author. (Or a singer, or whoever.)
@@yv_edit I can't believe how many times in my 20s and 30s I attempted to do freelance design work and was propositioned. Before that working in an art gallery. I thought these men found me smart and interesting. It was a bummer. I'm 54 now and married to a man my age who would never want to be with someone half our age. There is no intellectual connection, only physical for some men. You can't relate easily to someone in another generation. I hope my 22-year-old daughter is watching these. I shared them with her.
Before, these men were able to control their wives from the Hen House of female social circles to give them outside perspectives, but the internet allows women to compare notes at any time of the day, not just lunch with the ladies.
I really liked American gods before, but I’m so happy we are calling out “artists” I can’t consume his work without knowing what kind of shitty person wrote it. I remember that happened to me regarding philosopher Arthur Schopenhauer when I discovered he was abusive to his wife. Like how can I seriously take your words about life’s purpose and good and evil while you’re being a piece of poop. Again, thank you Lisa for enlightening us, Mr Beast and Cody’s scandals are everywhere now but only from you I heard about Neil Gaiman
Yep. Abusers really love to pontificate and then turn around and act exactly the opposite! I’m glad this was enlightening and I’m really thankful to be able to cover the NG story seeing how it’s been kept quiet so far. All of these scandals have something in common!!
Thank you for reporting on this. Gaiman has used his “male feminist” social currency to lure women into a false sense of security in order to prey on them. It’s honestly so despicable, I was such a huge fan and admirer but now he makes me SICK.
@@corbindalis Wait Joss Whedon too? 😞 When was he exposed and where?? I must have missed this but at this point it's probably almost all celebrities since they can use their fame as leverage idk 💔
@@EternalGalaxies The set of Buffy Vampire slayer was hell on earth for many female members of the cast. Either you slept with him or you were out. He specifically targeted one actress who had nowhere to go, was a single mom of 22 and he kept telling her he could end her career forever with one single word.
They DO keep their hands to themselves quite strategically, though, it seems to me...or else they would be assaulting multiple people everywhere regularly.
So many people don't understand power dynamics and consent. I remember arguing with people who I thought "got it" when that awful trial was going on. Mutual abuse my butt
THANK YOU!!! BC SAME!!! THE AH/JD TRIAL IS MY ABSOLUTE ROMAN EMPIRE I CANNOT BELIEVE THE 💩 THEY GOT AWAY WITH!!! I was internally screaming the whole time bc I didn’t have a platform to talk about it yet at that point and I couldn’t believe how obvious it was all along that he was the abuser but people either took his side or said it was “mutual”. Hell no!!
Can you please make a video about this? I don’t mind if it is a 3 hour long video: this is important not only for the victim in question (Amber) but all the victims now who have chosen not to come forward after the aftermath of the case. She experienced abuse on a global scale and what happened completely took us backwards. Your voice could help empower those who currently are victimized and feel powerless to stand up against powerful men.
Gaimen was always insufferable, his self satisfied smugness always put me off buying the audiobooks he narrated. I loved his work but disliked the man's meak and fake personality. But i never, never thought he was such a prolific rapist predator. Its bothered me far more as time goes on, hes getting away with it!
The way he wrote the mom versus other characters in Coraline always bothered me but I couldn't quite place why. While I did enjoy the story, there is something about the way he writes that shows how he really feels about women
My opinion that "Good Omens" isn't a good book has never been popular. It's objectively terrible tho. They spend way too much time trying to be quirky to actually get to the effing point and start the story. I did like "The Graveyard Book" and "Anansi Boys" but have had a hard time getting into the rest.
@@m0L3ify Aside from the first 29 or so issues of SANDMAN, I have always thought his work was mediocre at best. His writing just never gets to the point as you say. Back when he was breaking into the comics industry, he always wore leather jackets and sunglasses (even indoors). Nobody in comics did that before so it turned him into a star.
There was another woman who was hired to live in and take care of a house they had in Woodstock N.Y. She was married and had 3 children att. A little while later, she and her husband separated, and he wasn't paying her that much to take care of the house and property, but she wanted to keep living there, so he started taking advantage of her as well. He acted like he was into her but after a few weeks, he admitted he was just sleeping with her, and it wasn't romantic, and then he started manipulating her saying his partner wanted to move back into the house but if she took care of him sexually he would ensure that she could remain in the house with her kids. She was forced to sign an NDA preventing her from pressing charges against him for anything. What I find interesting is a lot of people are insisting this is a Right Wing Smear Campaign but what happened to Believe Women guys? Uh, don't believe women believe me, Neil Gaiman, because I'm your Master. Gross
Awhile ago I just decided that I won't suggest art made by a man to nobody, because if you dig deeper you eventually find out that they were terrible to the women in their lives, Fitzgerald, Picasso, Hemingway, Tolstoy...all of them
Explain the mental illness that leads people to idolizing or wanting to learn more about a person just because they can do something a person enjoys - whether it be music, art, write, etc.
@@lymphomasurvive It is not ment@l illnеss, it is a human trait to connect with others. We form friendships and bonds , this is not M-I. And if you relate to things in the book or art made by someone, ofc you will want to know more about them. But if the person is bad, you should not support them.
This sucks because I really liked his book's and Series based on his work. But what he did is UNFORGIVABLE his victims should absolutely be believed he should be charged and suffer the consequences of his Abuse it's disgusting that he's gotten away with this for so long may his victims get justice.
Men like these guys seek out women who are vulnerable they can sense low boundries and are always testing to see how far they can get he used his kid to prey on women so disturbing this is why I always dont like to have many interactions with them because it’s so common they’re always feeling around for how they can get something
Thank you for such a detailed analysis. The story about Neil Geiman is sickening... Never liked him. I'm always suspicious of someone who does "something strange". For example, like Marilyn Manson. Never was a fan and felt disgust - years later so much abuse was discovered...Always had uncomfortable feelings about Neil Geiman. So sorry for all the ladies who were traumatized..😢
In the series that originally got Niel more famous (the sandman series), there are multiple iterations of the "hero" chasing down a woman he wanted to assault her leading to her ending her own life from the devastation. In addition, not only are these actions not condemned in the series, it is repeatedly implied that she was sent to hell as a punishment for removing herself from his reach. But, sure, people who are fans because they actually like that story are surprised Pikachu face at these allegations. Authors like this write their fantasies, not something separate from their self. "Write what you know" and such. I knew he was a predator the moment I read that book.
@marleyofficialmedia join a communist party, or read Capital at the very least. You will be able to articulate arguments against their existence much more effectively.
Many a man has called me a misandrist but I do NOT read any book written by men! It's harder to not watch a movie or show that's not been written by a man, as that field is still heavily dominated by men, but I will NOT read anything written by a man. Horror is my favorite subject and I got tired of reading about women being graped for the sake of it, being written completely unreliable and incorrectly, and just horrible writing in general tbh.
I would go a step further and say that I tend to pay attention to the men who are considered men like this their “friends” too. These men who are in and keep company with them. Why? Birds of a feather FLOCK TOGETHER. Silence is compliance. It’s interesting when accountability seems to be selective and heavily weighted on women but not men. ESP those in power. Where are the “male friends/colleagues” who know of these things happening and speaking up and out in supporting the women? I will go as far as to say, that men with power is harming everyone. Men with “power” It’s never been about humanity and creating a better world better society for us all. NO. It’s been solely about these men obtaining so much power they can nourish their egos, show off for other men, bring harm and exploit women and children while leaving a wake of damage, harm and destruction.
Thank you for analyzing the Gaiman case so well. You said at the end of this video, "Even womens victims are typically women" though you said this generally, not about Gaiman and Palmer. It sounded to me like his wife, Amanda Palmer, set up Scarlett to be attacked. I don't write something like that lightly. I re-listened a few times to make sure I had heard the facts correctly. She invited her to HIS house (not Amanda's) to babysit, then she left and eventually Gaiman appeared. Later, Amanda admitted she knew that other women had said that her husband had done that. I know plenty of predators who hide behind marriage and use their wives to appear safe. I don't usually think the wives are involved, they are just used and caught in terrible predicaments by their predator husbands. But, in this case, Amada invited Scarlett and potentially even groomed her by making nudity in their homes normal, so Scarlett could not use the typical red flags (a nude man approaching me, oh, wait, that's just my nudist boss, NBD) we can use to signify danger. Further, both Palmer and Gaiman practice witchcraft (no judgement, I am not against paganism, but some who practice witchcraft do intentionally hurt people) and couples do "sacrifice" third parties to each other as part of a ritual. They will groom and bring those victims to the other partner as a "gift". That's what stuck out to me in this story. It felt like Amanda found a "gift" for Gaiman. She had just smeared him publicly, perhaps she "offered" Scarlett either as an apology or way to stay engaged with him. Together, as sadists, they could play with Scarlett. It's bonding for sadists.
Have you watched the movie The Wife? With Glenn Close. Fascinating breakdown of a woman who met her hero then got groomed to hand over her talent and make him a noble prize winner. He hid behind her & just used her to posture to other women and the literary world. Would make a great deep dive
This video was harrowing, but necessary. The red riding hood portion took me out! He could have chosen anything, and that’s what he went with. I am disturbed and at the same time grateful because paying attention pays off, and now I won’t be supporting Neil Gaiman.
Unfortunately, I don’t believe celebrity worship is nearly done with. It has mutated and now it is the social media influencer everyone follows and watches, and anybody can now be a celebrity who gets worshipped. So if anything, this kind of unhealthy hero worship and adoration is getting worse, not better.
Look mr.beast have always give me the ick.... REMEMBER how he started, destroying stuffs and laughing like a maniac, he did put microwaves into microwaves, he used to break tvs with hammers ... He has that violent energy, those caothic vibes .... He only start to give money away cuz he notice that THAT SCENARIO give him the most views... He wasnt a philangropist to begin with, dont get me wrong im very glad he made viral the whole donate money to the need, but he also make viral people who actually exploid people in their worse for views. It feel state, not from heart, for explotation. The whole games fpr money scenario is viral cuz people like competing for money. He here and there make videos of things being detsroyed cuz thats his nature... Chaotic. He doesnt care for people or helping people, he cares for views and having the most subscribers, the best .... Being popular !!!! His ego, his videos being perfect, his videos being viral is what he lives for, a ver narcissist mind set... Is never help people, helping people is just a side product.... If the broken stuff videos made views and went viral as he wanted to so badly, he would stop giving money. But they dont, the protect the ship was ones of the less view video knnhis channel sadwiched between compwtition videos that include money giving. You have to be delusional to think money is not ghe reason he does stuffs .... I just have comw to terma that helping people is a nice side efftect ... His mind is so chaotic, the videos were he is alone with his thoughts, he gets violent so fast .... There was a psychologist there and he even mentioned that was concerming that he DETERIORED so fast ... He gives me bipolar or narcissist vibes .... Idk ... He is sus for me, im glad someone else has notice thats too
1:03:42 also i'm so so so glad that Rossana parisino had mentioned this too, he is a boy clubs man.... Thats is SO obvious, his contents are so riged, cuz mostly men would have advantage in power competitions... Thats why OLIMPICS GAMES have cathegories, cuz men would have advantage competing with women. Thats why women SPORT exists !!!!!! He has clear bias with white men,and i have notice how he treat different poc. And women His mindset is that of a college chad ... He just have a great PR and editing team... Also his LAST video with youtubers was so dissapointing , almost 80% of that video was PR for Logan Paul... Yes, he is Friends with logan Paul, fhe dude who record an unalived person in sucided forest in Japan.... That dude had more screentime that the whole rest of youtubers who travel there for his video, international travel And the worse part, Jayden, from Jayden animation had almost Zero screentime when she was the winner .... She worked SO hard but that doesnt matter RIGHT ???? Lets shove in Everybody trhoughs My Big Big friend Logan Paul, isnt he cool ????? He is SO cool .... Very dissapointing
Also he mocks his Friends in the videos, like a bully would, there is always one friend in the mr.beats group that would be the butt of the joke ... AND is always the Best Buy , the Nicer guy, the actually good chill dude ... Havent You seen that, it doesnt matter how much editing he has, his personality shines under layers and layers of """"good light"""" facade
Don't make heroes. Every male heterosexual Neil Gaiman fan I have ever met knew exactly what Gaiman was all about and hated him for it. We did this based on his works, which make it pretty clear Gaiman kinda sus. This is not merely because he has characters of questionable character: all drama does that. I wrote another long screed elsewhere that explains exactly how this works, but I won't repeat it here. When we tried to explain this before the Tortoise story, we were inevitably screamed at, called misogynists and anti-feminists and worse, because didn't Gaiman say he was so feminist and how you should believe all women all the time, which is right? To which I can only report that it is illogical to presume that a good professional liar, a writer of *fiction,* cannot pull off an effective lie in public. When I try to say this, I get accused of fetishing the patriarchal trap of logic itself, so I'll stop now and leave everybody to make their own beds, so it's not my fault if they have to sleep in them. But one thing. *Keep an extremely close eye on David Tennant.* I'm not saying this because of his stuff in _Good Omens,_ which I have never seen, but everything else screams *hypocrite.* You wouldn't want to have your heart broken upon revelations of his behavior, would you? Well, maybe you do. It's none of my business. In any event, I'll really stop now.
@@Iquey That's good. I'm not so focused on letting people go, however, as I am in pointing out that there are ways to figure out with whom one should or should not jump into a hot tub in the first place. An ounce of prevention is worth a metric buttload of cure. I really dislike the sillygism that many are coming out with, which goes like this: (1) I thought Man X is one of the good ones, but (2) I just found out that he is accused of doing bad things, ∴ (3) all the other men I didn't decide were one of the good ones must perforce be even worse. I dislike it because when I was on the faculty of a university with a good library I did extensive research into waves of movements with what now might be called a _feminist_ bent dating back to the printing press. (The number requires two digits.) All have self-destructed for reasons related to this kind of thinking, and I'd be a lot happier if one had succeeded, but I guess I'll just have to die first.
Tumblr has always been interesting to me. There have been people who criticize gaiman but they are quickly shut down by his fans, however, at least you can see the entire thread and read everything. there are other people that have been called out on tumblr but it isn't until it makes it way to another app that it usually picks up speed. ETA: my brother bought one of the mr beast chocolate bars and he said it tasted like cardboard and wasnt sure if it was even edible
always meet those that you look up to; in order to proclaim and assert your own self value. in meeting them you realize that they are just people, but in contrast, that you are just people too, and as such, can do anything of equal or greater value
Our fear responses also include Fawn/Collaborate. I know a lot of women judge themselves for this response but sometimes its the safest move. Especially if you're in close proximity to the attacker.
One of the stories she covers here, as a second person retelling, came from an additional episode of he original Tortoise podcast series. What she's reading off twitter is Stephanie Kay saying what that Tortoise episode revealed. It's not a second hand account there. She says Gaiman lives in New Zealand. He was in New Zealand during the lockdown, but lives in the US. He moved to the US from the UK in 1992. This is significant because 1993 is when the House of Lords upheld the conviction of a group of men convicted of sadomasochistic sexual crimes, making it impossible for a person in England to consent to physical harm during sex. He moved to this country, just as his home country made his behavior illegal.
What's so horrifying about this is just how Gaiman's reputation is being retroactively twisted to dismiss or recontextualise the allegations. The guy is worth about 20M. He's one of the five most famous comic book writers alive. He has entire communities in the goth, fantasy, and horror genres devoted to him. He's a beloved author of multiple bestselling novels. He's always been very loud about his philanthropic efforts and his feminism. The amount of power and influence he would wield with his fans really casts the power dynamic in such an ugly light. What kills me is that so many people are trying to say because he's on the spectrum, or he's into BDSM, or that he's polyamourous that this pattern of behaviour is misunderstood. No! Absolutely not. This pattern of behaviour is predatory and its calculated and the fact that he gravitated towards the things he did is because it gave him power over vulnerable people in misunderstood communities. We do ourselves no favours at all by trying to rationalise or justify any of it.
His little fanfic about Susan from Narnia left a bad taste in my mouth. I'd already felt like his newer material wasn't my style anyway, but I just stopped wanting to engage in his work after that.
He has had a lot of great female characters but he does tend to also write a lot of them in weird relationships with guys that feel like male wish fulfillment (thinking Stardust where a guy cheats on his fiancée with no consequences and the imprisoned cat eared woman just randomly wants to have sex with him during her imprisonment). Or Neverwhere where it’s almost framed like adult ML helping a teen is him choosing her over his girlfriend, although he’s useless the whole time in comparison to the “badass” female (child) lead ( thankfully doesn’t actually enter a romantic relationship with her). It’s a bit Joss Whedon style of writing women. I always hoped he’d grown beyond that and doesn’t think that way in reality but now I’m not sure
We got to start completely explaining abusive behaviors and its nuisance to both girls and boys. One of my children went through something similar to the first story, and I had a hard time getting them to understand the levels of cursive abuse.
I used to like his books. I remember in one of them, "Anansi boys" he describes the life of one of the main characters in London that was allegedly semi-autobiographical. The character comes back from vacation a day early to work, and describes how people at the office didn't appreaciate he came back early and didn't seem too happy to see him either. Maybe there was a reason for that? I imagine he gave off creepy dude vibes.
Lol I work with a married couple that most of us can't stand. They're out until Monday and 90% of the office is in the best mood rn 😂 If they came back early & crashed the party, they'd get a lot of shankeye. Guarantee that's how this guy's coworkers felt.
Thank you for this. This is the first I'm hearing of this, no surprise. I had been considering reading Gaiman's work because his reputation was so good but holy eff, I'm glad I haven't. What a creep.
Your ability to champion victims is uplifting. Your matter of fact ability, to link the steps sexual harassment and worse takes, I have never heard or experienced before. You're our truth teller in a way, as I see it anyway. Healing things for me that had been ignored for decades. What you're doing matters. Thank you.
HE WAS LOCAL!! i knew young young girls who went and had tea dates with him. It was weird at the time, but we were so young. If the adults were okay with it, there was no problem. NASTY.
When the “men vs bear” convo was going on some women were saying “what specific man would you chose over the bear, to be alone in the woods with” and a lot of people said, Keanu Reeves and I said *absolutely not* because if Keanu did anything inappropriate NOT ONE PERSON would believe you. I’d still pick the bear. Anyway, I thought of that because the middle guy (who I don’t know…) is Canadian. So… even Canadian men aren’t “safe.” (Thinking about all the positive stereotypes of Canadians)
I believe the underfeeding of participants on the Mr Beast show was deliberate. There are some reality TV shows that withheld food to make the competitors irritable, stressed and angry, they manipulate their mood to get more drama. It's a form of control. We know being hungry can put us in a bad mood so maybe it was to make the contestants more competitive with a vicious edge. Imagine the stress of being away from home, surrounded by strangers mixed in with the other ways they were mistreated. And also the team just didn't care. Mr Beast if he wanted to could have used his own millions to keep them well fed, or even taken on sponsorships if the contract allowed it. No one needed to starve, he just didn't care, they didn't care. The contestants were just pawns. They had all these elaborate sets and couldn't properly feed people. They didn't factor that into the budget? He pretends to want to feed the world but can't feed his contestants? They didn't care for their well being. Amazon should also be called out. They funded this nonesense. There is no way they didn't have a team keeping and eye on how their millions were being spent. Thank you for this video. It has helped me find the language to counter the excuses of apologists and those who victim blame.
Great vid, thanks for putting it out. I really wish it had more visibility, more people need to be aware of these abusive behaviours, and young women would benefit greatly from knowing these stories before they face a similar situation themselves
I'm a 50 something. I generally avoid responding to younger people's vids because you have your own struggles and most of it is none of my business. Like what George says in the comments though holds true. Growing up in the 70s/80s was just post the social revolutions of the 60s and we as kids were expected to act and think like adults before 6th grade. We're talking an entire generation that was gr**med to appease boomers during their midlife crisis. I think today's ostenstive "prudishness" is a natural pivot in the opposite direction, but a necessary one. I also wholly agree that we are nearing the end of the age of celebrity appointment and worship, which is why now, and only now, accountability is happening. I hope artists of GenZ and Alpha continue understand social responsibility while embracing intellectual progress.
Some reviewer on TH-cam said recently that if Drake leaves hiphop, he can go on to a career in another genre because Kendrick Lamar will back off. I told him it was interesting how he thought it's up to Kendrick to decide if the fact that Drake is a pedo predator goes away, because it's not. Hannibal wasn't going to be able to forgive Cosby, and no person is going to be able to shove Gaiman's mess back into a bottle, it's out. These predators belong to us now. Don't be a predator.
it's so sad and disappointing to find out that the creators of the content you enjoyed for years are creeps (to put it lightly). i've watched cody ko since 2018 and i've read and actually liked a few of neil gaiman's books...
Also when people say “But she was 18…or 23…” I don’t consider people under 26 old enough to “know better.” According to Neuroscience the human frontal lobe doesn’t fully develop until 25 or 26 in some people.
This always confuses me, as the brain keeps changing and developing throughout our entire lives. What is the big shift that stops at 25, that we are terming "fully developed." I hear people repeat this all the time, but I never hear anyone break down what it actually means.
The only story i really liked by Niel was Coraline. He writes a very chilling tale about a perfectly constructed world to lure a girl in with everything she wants. The world is ruled by a witch who makes Copies of everyone she knows but with button eyes that can't see the truth of the fake world around them. Now I'm saddened about whatever deeper themes that reveals about him. He probably writes himself as the wise cat, who talks to Coraline. Writers will often put pieces of themselves in their stories, but it seems the cat, despite his creepiness is supposed to be a good guy that warns Coraline about the witch. That said, others have theorized the witch herself is a prisoner of the fake world that she has to keep reconstructing to eat children's souls. So the constructed world itself is like a hungry pocket dimension or white void of nothingness, and the witch was just the errand runner who kept it fed. So i wonder if his witches irl were basically like his loyal fans who would keep the buttons on their eyes basically. 😐
My prediction on the Mr. beast production was that he wanted to produce it himself which meant taking the large sum of money and making it the cheapest game to cut costs in any way so he can hoard the rest of the money for himself
THANK YOU FOR SPREADING AWARENESS!!! THANK YOU FOR PROTECTING WOMEN! I'M SO GLAD WE HAVE SUCH BRAVE SPEAKERS LIKE YOU! YOU'RE THE INSPIRATION FOR ME NOT TO BE SILIENT TOO! THANK YOU AGAIN, DEAR LIZA!
“Without the wolf, red rising hood just would have been another little girl, living her life, being loved by her grandmother and living her young life unmolested…” Wow, the horror 🙄
"little red riding hood was fine being a normal girl" actually such a heartbreaking sentence when you think of all the little girls that have been victims to wolves.
Just start watching this & i didn't knew this is a thing or it could just i never read Neil work. I'm still focusing on Adult praying on kids which is huge this year. Kat Williams predicted right on 2024 will be the year of us opening up. Few days ago lil Woadie a teen singer having a relationship of an older woman which is crazy that she haven't been arrested already....it remind me of Elvis was in a relationship with underage girl. At this point I'm convinced majority that got fame are not good people.
coraline has shaped me into the person i am today and it's absolutely earth shattering to hear he's like this but also not shocking to me at the same time. i just can't anymore. why is everything tainted by sa? why can't these men stop abusing people? wtf
Ok. I can't let this go because it was so annoying to hear when listening to you: The word is "differential", not "deferential". A power differential means there is a *difference" in power. To defer means to put off, or to yield. But the correct phrase is "power differential", i.e., a difference in power. "Power deferential" is not the phrase. I'm only 15 minutes into your video, but I love it so far! Cheers.
Love that for you and your hubby❤. Would you ever consider interviewing him? He sounds like he has a lot of green flags. You don’t have to show his face either. Or you can just ask him and read his responses. Or not lol 😂
I have been a fan of his work for years. But this just ruins it all for me. I was looking forward to the next season of Good Omens, but now I can’t watch it. I feel so bad for all the actors, writers, etc whose work is tainted by his actions.
I liked Coraline but I only watched it once. I always found it unsettling. Why is this man fantasizing about a little girl in such danger with adults? It didn't sit well with me. I haven't watch or read anything from him, so that's my whole opinion on the matter. Now I know why I found it weird.
I said it about John Green and I now realise i was being hypocritical--interacting directly with teen girl fans online is unacceptable for adults to do. It IS grooming. Neil Gaiman obviously did this. at the time when i was 16 on tumblr, i saw right through John Green flipping out and siccing his fanbase on her when a teen girl said his access to young girls on tumblr raised red flags for her (i believe she said simply rhat he gave "over eager dad scooting too close at the tween girl pool party" energy and he attacked her saying she was accusing him of being an active pedophile, which--tell on yourself much?). But i never saw those same red flags about neil gaiman, because i was a fan. I would have LOVED if he interacted with me or gave me writing advice. I wouldve been vulnerable. How did it take me so long to see, i feel so gross about it.
If social media and videos like this existed when I was young my life would have been completely different. I'm almost 50 and when I was young they literally trained us to put up with this type of abuse. It was par for the course. It was expected that you were going to endure this and what we were told was to not talk about it. I'm so happy that social media exists and women finally have a voice to tell their stories and change the future for women.
That’s exactly right, & I’m endlessly thankful we have more power in our hands now!!
Right???!!!
SAME…and I’m almost 60. What struck a chord for me early in the video was the mention of how predatory behavior from men is normalized. It’s been normalized since basically forever! in most (not all) cultures around the world. Young women (and hopefully young men if they’re lucky) have the opportunity to grow up in a completely different environment based on mutual respect and understanding. How incredible would that be? As much as we can, we should be working towards this.
It was always this way. It's a bad idea to put any human being on a pedestal. I'm glad the worship of celebrities is ending.
Im way Younger than You and i was raised like that by a pick me mom, is NEVER about old times, is being raised by a male Center women ... Funny enought i NEVER EVER listened to her, for me Even as Young as 9 when she start training me to Center men i always wonder why ???? Why My feelings worth less than a total stranger boy that i havent Even meet??? My mom used to told me to NEVER hurt men ego, to fake they are actually smarter ... Like ma'am are You ok ???? Then later in life by 17 i meet my grandma and understood everything, worse pick me EVER... I was glad i had also a great dad that since little also told me to NEVER allow a men to mistreat me, and he treat me like a princess, SO yeah maybe thats why i never Center men, cuz the man in My life pamper me and respect me 😅 ...so my mom words were so weird to me xD
Wow. In Sandman, one of the stories is about a writer who buys the imprisoned goddess, Calliope, and proceeds to grape her in his basement to inspire his "female positive" novels.
In the end, the goddess is unable to free herself, and contacts Dream (the Sandman) to rescue her, which Dream does (reluctantly) by flooding the writer with so many story ideas he goes insane.
At the time I read this story (1990's) I felt vaguely suspicious that Gaiman could build such a believable scenario.
And with this current video, I'm also suspicious of this "hero complex" duality in the story - that women are powerless against abusive men, and must demean themselves with begging and promises to receive that rescue.
Sickening.
Thank you so much for this comment and write up! They really are always telling on themselves 😵💫😵💫
Further into the video: men being calculated and patient.
This is how Gaiman writes - and I had once admired. He planted many seeds of ideas as his stories progressed, and it seemed as if he would then go back to an off-hand, unimportant character, then breathe life into them and give them a larger narrative - the strange menagerie of characters in the boarding house in Dolls House, for instance. All of them seemed like throwaway oddities. But when he brought them all back at the end, to me, it seemed less like he'd planned it all along than he simply looked over his works for characters he could expand. There were so many "NPCs" in his books. He really could have picked any of them. It gives his works a feeling of planned brilliance, when really he's just good at writing, not planning.
I could equally imagine that he touches lightly on thousands of women at these events, then can simply pluck one that seems ripe to develop into a deeper relationship of abuse.
@@yv_editI truly love your videos!
I almost didn't click...until I saw yv_edit!
...maybe make a good logo?? I'll click for you! (Not those eff-wads!😂)
Sickening indeed, I’ve watched that episode and was thinking how inhumane this is and how “normalised” this attitude towards women was just a few years ago, disgusting
It also goes against his quote "I love stories where the girl rescues herself" ????? Do you Neil?
“Just another girl” will haunt me. What a dehumanizing way to view a little girl. It speaks volumes for his mental and moral state.
Fight, flight, freeze needs to be taught to women more often. Its so common, during a shocking traumatic event and its worse when a woman was traumatized as a child. Patriarchy has brainwashed everyone to believe that women are not humans and men can do whatever they want.
There’s also fawn = pleasing the other person/perpetrator to keep oneself safe (where fighting or any other response would cause even more harm).
@@drsalka Ugh this is mine. Luckily nothing traumatic has happened to me but that's probably partly because I never dated
I was a Nanny to a family years ago and the DAY I started, the husband showed up and completely got into my personal space and caressed my inner forearm while telling me a story about his daughters and how he does this to them when they go get ice cream in his vintage cars. I FROZE. I had just recently gotten out of an abusive 14 Yr long marriage and hadn't healed to a point to set boundaries or speak up. When I got home I broke down crying: because my personal space was breached and I didn't speak up and stop him. I was SO upset with myself. 😢
I hate to say it, but I stayed 3 years with this family. I was desperate for a job and truly loved his wife and 3 daughters. I thank the Universe that the only crap this creep pulled was talking about really inappropriate things once in a while, including telling me a random story about how he _walked in on his teen daughter masturbating._ Like, WTF?!?? And he is a good manipulator. He was kind, giving and charming more times than he was inappropriate which kept me off guard, not knowing when it would happen again, which caused me anxiety.
I'm learning how to speak up and not freeze. It's really difficult for me. I seem to be more concerned about making the other person upset or uncomfortable by my speaking up 😢
These stories are horrifying. HORRIFYING.
Thank you, Lisa, for talking about this. ❤
it's so worth my time listening to you.
omg that’s so kind thank you 🙏💗😍 I really appreciate it!!!
That bit about reacquiring consent within a marriage is huge.
I read a fantastic article on consent. That it isn't just yes or No. Go further fo deeper. It is an on going collaborative process, a discussion if you like especially in a relationship. Ongoing communication. Likes, dislikes, hard boundaries, what has changed, what you liked, what you didn't like etc
We live in a world in which kindness, beauty, and youth are seen as exploitable. So much of our cultural goods are made by predatory people, because our world rewards these people. Over and over, we see these people, these exploiters, held before us as admirable, interesting, worth knowing and worth knowing about. Please keep in mind that these exploiters connect to a wider cultural back history that supports and encourages them.
brilliantly said ✨
This is so very true. Life is viewed as expendable and just some tool appliance to use up and be discarded by out of touch and humanity power and resource hoarders. MEANWHILE abusive claims to power and status no matter the cost are seen as applause-worthy, role model behavior. Life drainers are worshipped, adored, emulated and everyone else treated as lesser being. Very backwards and messed up for social species to place "values" like this. Predators and destroyers get immunity to be voted off the island while protective and aware women (either courageous victim or someone in their corner) get declawed and blacklisted. Mama bears vilified and victims mocked and denied empathy, treated as if THEY are the problem! As if it's their fault for speaking up and being a buzzkill instead of men who mistreated them in the first place. While these bad mojo men run consequence-free, crown holding tight to their heads and them being nonchalant as if it's the most normal and understandable thing to do and "wHaT aBoUt HiS fuTUrE". Makes me sick. They use their power imbalance to get what they want and then silence everyone into not crossing them. Everyone is trained into not caring lest they get severely socially punished by this man's ties to places of opportunity or social capital adoration for his work/looks/popularity! WHAT!
Don't forget the Woodsmen in Red Riding Hood, he's the archetype of the 'good man' protecting women, but for his position to work, it requires we believe that wolf is worse, when they both are. For the cows, the fence keeps the wolves out...but they are locked in with the farmer...who drains them of al their resources.
Call👏🏻 them👏🏻 out👏🏻👏🏻
16:08 That is horrifying being assaulted to the point you pass out, I can't begin to imagine the trauma she must have.
This SUPER common. This is how JonBenet Ramsey and Maddie Soto were murdered. Think about that: a man is strangling his partner, watching her losing consciousness, while he's inside her, and he feels all powerful. And, they are so close to orgasming from the thrill of her dying, that they actually kill her. Then they have their orgasm. This is all for an orgasm. Men truly think that their orgasm is more important than a female's life.
Thank you for covering this subject. We need to explore the systems that are used to exploit. Even if we have previously liked an author. (Or a singer, or whoever.)
This is the only correct stance thank you!
@@yv_edit I can't believe how many times in my 20s and 30s I attempted to do freelance design work and was propositioned. Before that working in an art gallery. I thought these men found me smart and interesting. It was a bummer. I'm 54 now and married to a man my age who would never want to be with someone half our age. There is no intellectual connection, only physical for some men. You can't relate easily to someone in another generation. I hope my 22-year-old daughter is watching these. I shared them with her.
That is why when someone mentions how bad the internet is, I will always defend it. It gives us information and freedom. Especially to us women ❤
Before, these men were able to control their wives from the Hen House of female social circles to give them outside perspectives, but the internet allows women to compare notes at any time of the day, not just lunch with the ladies.
@@LadeeBugg81 yess! That is if they were Lucky enough to have access to a hen House. Otherwuse there would be permanent gaslighting. Which is hell
I really liked American gods before, but I’m so happy we are calling out “artists”
I can’t consume his work without knowing what kind of shitty person wrote it. I remember that happened to me regarding philosopher Arthur Schopenhauer when I discovered he was abusive to his wife. Like how can I seriously take your words about life’s purpose and good and evil while you’re being a piece of poop. Again, thank you Lisa for enlightening us, Mr Beast and Cody’s scandals are everywhere now but only from you I heard about Neil Gaiman
Yep. Abusers really love to pontificate and then turn around and act exactly the opposite! I’m glad this was enlightening and I’m really thankful to be able to cover the NG story seeing how it’s been kept quiet so far. All of these scandals have something in common!!
Thank you for reporting on this. Gaiman has used his “male feminist” social currency to lure women into a false sense of security in order to prey on them. It’s honestly so despicable, I was such a huge fan and admirer but now he makes me SICK.
Just like creepy Joss Whedon.
@@corbindalis Wait Joss Whedon too? 😞
When was he exposed and where?? I must have missed this but at this point it's probably almost all celebrities since they can use their fame as leverage idk 💔
@EternalGalaxies long story short is he cheated on his wife and gaslit her to the point where she almost went a little crazy
Like every single "male feminist". They are wolves in sheep clothes.
@@EternalGalaxies The set of Buffy Vampire slayer was hell on earth for many female members of the cast. Either you slept with him or you were out. He specifically targeted one actress who had nowhere to go, was a single mom of 22 and he kept telling her he could end her career forever with one single word.
Why Why Why can't these men just keep their hands to themselves I refuse to believe it's impossible to NOT ABUSE WOMEN OR JUST PEOPLE IN GENERAL.
That's apparently, to them, having " unrealistic expectations ".
Entitlement, patrichal conditioning and the king baby mind set.
@LilySaintSin what woman that abuse other woman
They DO keep their hands to themselves quite strategically, though, it seems to me...or else they would be assaulting multiple people everywhere regularly.
So many people don't understand power dynamics and consent. I remember arguing with people who I thought "got it" when that awful trial was going on. Mutual abuse my butt
THANK YOU!!! BC SAME!!!
THE AH/JD TRIAL IS MY ABSOLUTE ROMAN EMPIRE I CANNOT BELIEVE THE 💩 THEY GOT AWAY WITH!!! I was internally screaming the whole time bc I didn’t have a platform to talk about it yet at that point and I couldn’t believe how obvious it was all along that he was the abuser but people either took his side or said it was “mutual”. Hell no!!
Can you please make a video about this? I don’t mind if it is a 3 hour long video: this is important not only for the victim in question (Amber) but all the victims now who have chosen not to come forward after the aftermath of the case. She experienced abuse on a global scale and what happened completely took us backwards. Your voice could help empower those who currently are victimized and feel powerless to stand up against powerful men.
@@varvaragulina1695 oh absolutely! I’d be happy to.
Agree 💯
That whole circus around the trial and the trial itself illustrated how misogynistic our society is
Gaiman, you have angered the Elder Goths.
You will be cursed so thoroughly and creatively, starting with me.
Gaimen was always insufferable, his self satisfied smugness always put me off buying the audiobooks he narrated. I loved his work but disliked the man's meak and fake personality. But i never, never thought he was such a prolific rapist predator. Its bothered me far more as time goes on, hes getting away with it!
The way he wrote the mom versus other characters in Coraline always bothered me but I couldn't quite place why. While I did enjoy the story, there is something about the way he writes that shows how he really feels about women
My opinion that "Good Omens" isn't a good book has never been popular. It's objectively terrible tho. They spend way too much time trying to be quirky to actually get to the effing point and start the story. I did like "The Graveyard Book" and "Anansi Boys" but have had a hard time getting into the rest.
@@m0L3ify Aside from the first 29 or so issues of SANDMAN, I have always thought his work was mediocre at best. His writing just never gets to the point as you say. Back when he was breaking into the comics industry, he always wore leather jackets and sunglasses (even indoors). Nobody in comics did that before so it turned him into a star.
There was another woman who was hired to live in and take care of a house they had in Woodstock N.Y. She was married and had 3 children att. A little while later, she and her husband separated, and he wasn't paying her that much to take care of the house and property, but she wanted to keep living there, so he started taking advantage of her as well. He acted like he was into her but after a few weeks, he admitted he was just sleeping with her, and it wasn't romantic, and then he started manipulating her saying his partner wanted to move back into the house but if she took care of him sexually he would ensure that she could remain in the house with her kids. She was forced to sign an NDA preventing her from pressing charges against him for anything.
What I find interesting is a lot of people are insisting this is a Right Wing Smear Campaign but what happened to Believe Women guys?
Uh, don't believe women believe me, Neil Gaiman, because I'm your Master.
Gross
honestly in that story she could've left
so is THAT what happened, when Gaiman admitted to having „hurt Amanda very deeply“?!? Amanda being Amanda Palmer, his ex wife. Wowza.
Didn't he get with her after cheating on his first wife?
@@briskettacos I actually don’t know
Awhile ago I just decided that I won't suggest art made by a man to nobody, because if you dig deeper you eventually find out that they were terrible to the women in their lives, Fitzgerald, Picasso, Hemingway, Tolstoy...all of them
I think I need to adopt this policy
This
I knew about Picasso the rest too ? 😮
Explain the mental illness that leads people to idolizing or wanting to learn more about a person just because they can do something a person enjoys - whether it be music, art, write, etc.
@@lymphomasurvive It is not ment@l illnеss, it is a human trait to connect with others. We form friendships and bonds , this is not M-I. And if you relate to things in the book or art made by someone, ofc you will want to know more about them. But if the person is bad, you should not support them.
This sucks because I really liked his book's and Series based on his work. But what he did is UNFORGIVABLE his victims should absolutely be believed he should be charged and suffer the consequences of his Abuse it's disgusting that he's gotten away with this for so long may his victims get justice.
I just checked out the Neil Gaiman subreddit and apparently they have changed course and are no longer banning discussion of this.
Men like these guys seek out women who are vulnerable they can sense low boundries and are always testing to see how far they can get he used his kid to prey on women so disturbing this is why I always dont like to have many interactions with them because it’s so common they’re always feeling around for how they can get something
Thank you for such a detailed analysis. The story about Neil Geiman is sickening... Never liked him. I'm always suspicious of someone who does "something strange". For example, like Marilyn Manson. Never was a fan and felt disgust - years later so much abuse was discovered...Always had uncomfortable feelings about Neil Geiman. So sorry for all the ladies who were traumatized..😢
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I only recently found your channel and completely in love with your content ❤
Thank you friend!!! I’m so happy to have you 💗
In the series that originally got Niel more famous (the sandman series), there are multiple iterations of the "hero" chasing down a woman he wanted to assault her leading to her ending her own life from the devastation. In addition, not only are these actions not condemned in the series, it is repeatedly implied that she was sent to hell as a punishment for removing herself from his reach.
But, sure, people who are fans because they actually like that story are surprised Pikachu face at these allegations. Authors like this write their fantasies, not something separate from their self. "Write what you know" and such. I knew he was a predator the moment I read that book.
Rich people just shouldn't be allowed to exist. There is no reason to allow such power disparities to exist between people.
I think about this too.
@marleyofficialmedia join a communist party, or read Capital at the very least. You will be able to articulate arguments against their existence much more effectively.
Many a man has called me a misandrist but I do NOT read any book written by men! It's harder to not watch a movie or show that's not been written by a man, as that field is still heavily dominated by men, but I will NOT read anything written by a man. Horror is my favorite subject and I got tired of reading about women being graped for the sake of it, being written completely unreliable and incorrectly, and just horrible writing in general tbh.
Same same same!
I'm with you. Same with music.
This is such thoughtful and high quality content. I love it!
Thank you so much that really means the world to me!! 💗
Don't forget fawn. Fight, flight, freeze, and fawn.
@@boydstallings6004 very true!!
I would go a step further and say that I tend to pay attention to the men who are considered men like this their “friends” too. These men who are in and keep company with them. Why? Birds of a feather FLOCK TOGETHER. Silence is compliance. It’s interesting when accountability seems to be selective and heavily weighted on women but not men. ESP those in power. Where are the “male friends/colleagues” who know of these things happening and speaking up and out in supporting the women?
I will go as far as to say, that men with power is harming everyone. Men with “power” It’s never been about humanity and creating a better world better society for us all. NO. It’s been solely about these men obtaining so much power they can nourish their egos, show off for other men, bring harm and exploit women and children while leaving a wake of damage, harm and destruction.
Thank you for analyzing the Gaiman case so well. You said at the end of this video, "Even womens victims are typically women" though you said this generally, not about Gaiman and Palmer. It sounded to me like his wife, Amanda Palmer, set up Scarlett to be attacked. I don't write something like that lightly. I re-listened a few times to make sure I had heard the facts correctly. She invited her to HIS house (not Amanda's) to babysit, then she left and eventually Gaiman appeared. Later, Amanda admitted she knew that other women had said that her husband had done that. I know plenty of predators who hide behind marriage and use their wives to appear safe. I don't usually think the wives are involved, they are just used and caught in terrible predicaments by their predator husbands. But, in this case, Amada invited Scarlett and potentially even groomed her by making nudity in their homes normal, so Scarlett could not use the typical red flags (a nude man approaching me, oh, wait, that's just my nudist boss, NBD) we can use to signify danger.
Further, both Palmer and Gaiman practice witchcraft (no judgement, I am not against paganism, but some who practice witchcraft do intentionally hurt people) and couples do "sacrifice" third parties to each other as part of a ritual. They will groom and bring those victims to the other partner as a "gift". That's what stuck out to me in this story. It felt like Amanda found a "gift" for Gaiman. She had just smeared him publicly, perhaps she "offered" Scarlett either as an apology or way to stay engaged with him. Together, as sadists, they could play with Scarlett. It's bonding for sadists.
Have you watched the movie The Wife? With Glenn Close. Fascinating breakdown of a woman who met her hero then got groomed to hand over her talent and make him a noble prize winner. He hid behind her & just used her to posture to other women and the literary world. Would make a great deep dive
This also starts with a baby sitting job
“When you’re famous, they just let you do it.”
This video was harrowing, but necessary. The red riding hood portion took me out! He could have chosen anything, and that’s what he went with. I am disturbed and at the same time grateful because paying attention pays off, and now I won’t be supporting Neil Gaiman.
Unfortunately, I don’t believe celebrity worship is nearly done with. It has mutated and now it is the social media influencer everyone follows and watches, and anybody can now be a celebrity who gets worshipped. So if anything, this kind of unhealthy hero worship and adoration is getting worse, not better.
Look mr.beast have always give me the ick.... REMEMBER how he started, destroying stuffs and laughing like a maniac, he did put microwaves into microwaves, he used to break tvs with hammers ... He has that violent energy, those caothic vibes .... He only start to give money away cuz he notice that THAT SCENARIO give him the most views... He wasnt a philangropist to begin with, dont get me wrong im very glad he made viral the whole donate money to the need, but he also make viral people who actually exploid people in their worse for views. It feel state, not from heart, for explotation.
The whole games fpr money scenario is viral cuz people like competing for money.
He here and there make videos of things being detsroyed cuz thats his nature... Chaotic.
He doesnt care for people or helping people, he cares for views and having the most subscribers, the best .... Being popular !!!! His ego, his videos being perfect, his videos being viral is what he lives for, a ver narcissist mind set... Is never help people, helping people is just a side product.... If the broken stuff videos made views and went viral as he wanted to so badly, he would stop giving money. But they dont, the protect the ship was ones of the less view video knnhis channel sadwiched between compwtition videos that include money giving.
You have to be delusional to think money is not ghe reason he does stuffs .... I just have comw to terma that helping people is a nice side efftect ...
His mind is so chaotic, the videos were he is alone with his thoughts, he gets violent so fast .... There was a psychologist there and he even mentioned that was concerming that he DETERIORED so fast ... He gives me bipolar or narcissist vibes .... Idk ... He is sus for me, im glad someone else has notice thats too
1:03:42 also i'm so so so glad that Rossana parisino had mentioned this too, he is a boy clubs man.... Thats is SO obvious, his contents are so riged, cuz mostly men would have advantage in power competitions... Thats why OLIMPICS GAMES have cathegories, cuz men would have advantage competing with women. Thats why women SPORT exists !!!!!!
He has clear bias with white men,and i have notice how he treat different poc. And women
His mindset is that of a college chad ... He just have a great PR and editing team...
Also his LAST video with youtubers was so dissapointing , almost 80% of that video was PR for Logan Paul... Yes, he is Friends with logan Paul, fhe dude who record an unalived person in sucided forest in Japan.... That dude had more screentime that the whole rest of youtubers who travel there for his video, international travel
And the worse part, Jayden, from Jayden animation had almost Zero screentime when she was the winner .... She worked SO hard but that doesnt matter RIGHT ???? Lets shove in Everybody trhoughs My Big Big friend Logan Paul, isnt he cool ????? He is SO cool .... Very dissapointing
Also he mocks his Friends in the videos, like a bully would, there is always one friend in the mr.beats group that would be the butt of the joke ... AND is always the Best Buy , the Nicer guy, the actually good chill dude ... Havent You seen that, it doesnt matter how much editing he has, his personality shines under layers and layers of """"good light"""" facade
Don't make heroes.
Every male heterosexual Neil Gaiman fan I have ever met knew exactly what Gaiman was all about and hated him for it. We did this based on his works, which make it pretty clear Gaiman kinda sus. This is not merely because he has characters of questionable character: all drama does that.
I wrote another long screed elsewhere that explains exactly how this works, but I won't repeat it here. When we tried to explain this before the Tortoise story, we were inevitably screamed at, called misogynists and anti-feminists and worse, because didn't Gaiman say he was so feminist and how you should believe all women all the time, which is right? To which I can only report that it is illogical to presume that a good professional liar, a writer of *fiction,* cannot pull off an effective lie in public. When I try to say this, I get accused of fetishing the patriarchal trap of logic itself, so I'll stop now and leave everybody to make their own beds, so it's not my fault if they have to sleep in them.
But one thing. *Keep an extremely close eye on David Tennant.* I'm not saying this because of his stuff in _Good Omens,_ which I have never seen, but everything else screams *hypocrite.* You wouldn't want to have your heart broken upon revelations of his behavior, would you? Well, maybe you do. It's none of my business. In any event, I'll really stop now.
It would really suck a lot if David turns out to be bad. But he is not so precious that I couldn't let him go.
@@Iquey That's good. I'm not so focused on letting people go, however, as I am in pointing out that there are ways to figure out with whom one should or should not jump into a hot tub in the first place. An ounce of prevention is worth a metric buttload of cure. I really dislike the sillygism that many are coming out with, which goes like this: (1) I thought Man X is one of the good ones, but (2) I just found out that he is accused of doing bad things, ∴ (3) all the other men I didn't decide were one of the good ones must perforce be even worse. I dislike it because when I was on the faculty of a university with a good library I did extensive research into waves of movements with what now might be called a _feminist_ bent dating back to the printing press. (The number requires two digits.) All have self-destructed for reasons related to this kind of thinking, and I'd be a lot happier if one had succeeded, but I guess I'll just have to die first.
Tumblr has always been interesting to me. There have been people who criticize gaiman but they are quickly shut down by his fans, however, at least you can see the entire thread and read everything. there are other people that have been called out on tumblr but it isn't until it makes it way to another app that it usually picks up speed.
ETA: my brother bought one of the mr beast chocolate bars and he said it tasted like cardboard and wasnt sure if it was even edible
always meet those that you look up to; in order to proclaim and assert your own self value. in meeting them you realize that they are just people, but in contrast, that you are just people too, and as such, can do anything of equal or greater value
Our fear responses also include Fawn/Collaborate.
I know a lot of women judge themselves for this response but sometimes its the safest move. Especially if you're in close proximity to the attacker.
One of the stories she covers here, as a second person retelling, came from an additional episode of he original Tortoise podcast series. What she's reading off twitter is Stephanie Kay saying what that Tortoise episode revealed. It's not a second hand account there.
She says Gaiman lives in New Zealand. He was in New Zealand during the lockdown, but lives in the US. He moved to the US from the UK in 1992. This is significant because 1993 is when the House of Lords upheld the conviction of a group of men convicted of sadomasochistic sexual crimes, making it impossible for a person in England to consent to physical harm during sex. He moved to this country, just as his home country made his behavior illegal.
@@MariadeJesusGutierrez omg that’s crazy!! thank you for taking the time to comment this very important tidbit of info 💗💗💗
What's so horrifying about this is just how Gaiman's reputation is being retroactively twisted to dismiss or recontextualise the allegations. The guy is worth about 20M. He's one of the five most famous comic book writers alive. He has entire communities in the goth, fantasy, and horror genres devoted to him. He's a beloved author of multiple bestselling novels. He's always been very loud about his philanthropic efforts and his feminism. The amount of power and influence he would wield with his fans really casts the power dynamic in such an ugly light. What kills me is that so many people are trying to say because he's on the spectrum, or he's into BDSM, or that he's polyamourous that this pattern of behaviour is misunderstood. No! Absolutely not. This pattern of behaviour is predatory and its calculated and the fact that he gravitated towards the things he did is because it gave him power over vulnerable people in misunderstood communities. We do ourselves no favours at all by trying to rationalise or justify any of it.
I guess i shouldn’t be surprised. I used to read his death and dream comic series. He would behave like this.
His little fanfic about Susan from Narnia left a bad taste in my mouth. I'd already felt like his newer material wasn't my style anyway, but I just stopped wanting to engage in his work after that.
He has had a lot of great female characters but he does tend to also write a lot of them in weird relationships with guys that feel like male wish fulfillment (thinking Stardust where a guy cheats on his fiancée with no consequences and the imprisoned cat eared woman just randomly wants to have sex with him during her imprisonment). Or Neverwhere where it’s almost framed like adult ML helping a teen is him choosing her over his girlfriend, although he’s useless the whole time in comparison to the “badass” female (child) lead ( thankfully doesn’t actually enter a romantic relationship with her). It’s a bit Joss Whedon style of writing women.
I always hoped he’d grown beyond that and doesn’t think that way in reality but now I’m not sure
It was so disturbing to me about the newly ordained child Door and an adult man
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@@nhvkuy4675 more how it's framed as a potential romance.
ur amazing. thank you lisa!
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We got to start completely explaining abusive behaviors and its nuisance to both girls and boys. One of my children went through something similar to the first story, and I had a hard time getting them to understand the levels of cursive abuse.
It's nice to know that my wildly unpopular take on "Good Omens" might be a little less unpopular now lol
I used to like his books. I remember in one of them, "Anansi boys" he describes the life of one of the main characters in London that was allegedly semi-autobiographical. The character comes back from vacation a day early to work, and describes how people at the office didn't appreaciate he came back early and didn't seem too happy to see him either.
Maybe there was a reason for that? I imagine he gave off creepy dude vibes.
Lol I work with a married couple that most of us can't stand. They're out until Monday and 90% of the office is in the best mood rn 😂 If they came back early & crashed the party, they'd get a lot of shankeye. Guarantee that's how this guy's coworkers felt.
I am so tired.
Thank you for this. This is the first I'm hearing of this, no surprise. I had been considering reading Gaiman's work because his reputation was so good but holy eff, I'm glad I haven't. What a creep.
Oh, no, not Neil Gaiman! Say it isn’t so!!!😫😫😫 Thank you for this video. It is so needed.❤
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Unfortunately, a lot of very talented and creative people are some of the worst pieces of shits ever. This is nothing new. It's always been the case.
Your ability to champion victims is uplifting. Your matter of fact ability, to link the steps sexual harassment and worse takes, I have never heard or experienced before. You're our truth teller in a way, as I see it anyway. Healing things for me that had been ignored for decades. What you're doing matters. Thank you.
Its not dont meet ur heroes. They r not heroes!
HE WAS LOCAL!! i knew young young girls who went and had tea dates with him. It was weird at the time, but we were so young. If the adults were okay with it, there was no problem. NASTY.
Have you seen the movie Blink Twice? So much of this video made me think of that movie!
When the “men vs bear” convo was going on some women were saying “what specific man would you chose over the bear, to be alone in the woods with” and a lot of people said, Keanu Reeves and I said *absolutely not* because if Keanu did anything inappropriate NOT ONE PERSON would believe you. I’d still pick the bear.
Anyway, I thought of that because the middle guy (who I don’t know…) is Canadian. So… even Canadian men aren’t “safe.” (Thinking about all the positive stereotypes of Canadians)
I'd pick Greg Abbott. Then I'd leave him there alone.
I believe the underfeeding of participants on the Mr Beast show was deliberate. There are some reality TV shows that withheld food to make the competitors irritable, stressed and angry, they manipulate their mood to get more drama. It's a form of control. We know being hungry can put us in a bad mood so maybe it was to make the contestants more competitive with a vicious edge. Imagine the stress of being away from home, surrounded by strangers mixed in with the other ways they were mistreated. And also the team just didn't care. Mr Beast if he wanted to could have used his own millions to keep them well fed, or even taken on sponsorships if the contract allowed it. No one needed to starve, he just didn't care, they didn't care. The contestants were just pawns. They had all these elaborate sets and couldn't properly feed people. They didn't factor that into the budget? He pretends to want to feed the world but can't feed his contestants? They didn't care for their well being.
Amazon should also be called out. They funded this nonesense. There is no way they didn't have a team keeping and eye on how their millions were being spent. Thank you for this video. It has helped me find the language to counter the excuses of apologists and those who victim blame.
Absolutely spot on!!!
@@yv_edit Thank you. Keep doing what you are doing, you are educating and helping a lot of people.
Great vid, thanks for putting it out. I really wish it had more visibility, more people need to be aware of these abusive behaviours, and young women would benefit greatly from knowing these stories before they face a similar situation themselves
Quality work...
As a young women i am grateful you exist.❤
I'm a 50 something. I generally avoid responding to younger people's vids because you have your own struggles and most of it is none of my business. Like what George says in the comments though holds true. Growing up in the 70s/80s was just post the social revolutions of the 60s and we as kids were expected to act and think like adults before 6th grade. We're talking an entire generation that was gr**med to appease boomers during their midlife crisis. I think today's ostenstive "prudishness" is a natural pivot in the opposite direction, but a necessary one. I also wholly agree that we are nearing the end of the age of celebrity appointment and worship, which is why now, and only now, accountability is happening. I hope artists of GenZ and Alpha continue understand social responsibility while embracing intellectual progress.
Rooling Stone also covered the Neil Gaiman case in early July.
Some reviewer on TH-cam said recently that if Drake leaves hiphop, he can go on to a career in another genre because Kendrick Lamar will back off. I told him it was interesting how he thought it's up to Kendrick to decide if the fact that Drake is a pedo predator goes away, because it's not. Hannibal wasn't going to be able to forgive Cosby, and no person is going to be able to shove Gaiman's mess back into a bottle, it's out. These predators belong to us now. Don't be a predator.
Fight flight freeze and also fawn. Lot of folks don't know it, but fawning is absolutely a response to social threat.
Glad you made this ❤❤✨
It is as if a lot of men just want to be famous so they can 🍇.
EXACTLY!
They do. That’s why men want success
Men are judged based on there success
Men do a lot of things to have sexual access to their choice of women.
GIRL YOU HAVE DONE THE LORDS WORK TODAY!!!
It is very important to talk about this, thanks for making this video !
I just think it should never go without saying: a wolf in the woods would never. A bear in the woods would never.
Just want to say thank you so much for your work ❤
Fight - flight - freeze - fawn
Freeze and Fawn are the most common for women and YES men know this!!!!!!
Love your clarity. Thanks for speaking on this. ❤
it's so sad and disappointing to find out that the creators of the content you enjoyed for years are creeps (to put it lightly). i've watched cody ko since 2018 and i've read and actually liked a few of neil gaiman's books...
Babe, bro code institutional. The BBC hid what Jimmy Saville did I was abusing children with cancer! Even some medical staff knew.
Also when people say “But she was 18…or 23…” I don’t consider people under 26 old enough to “know better.” According to Neuroscience the human frontal lobe doesn’t fully develop until 25 or 26 in some people.
This always confuses me, as the brain keeps changing and developing throughout our entire lives. What is the big shift that stops at 25, that we are terming "fully developed." I hear people repeat this all the time, but I never hear anyone break down what it actually means.
thank you for covering this subject!
The only story i really liked by Niel was Coraline. He writes a very chilling tale about a perfectly constructed world to lure a girl in with everything she wants. The world is ruled by a witch who makes Copies of everyone she knows but with button eyes that can't see the truth of the fake world around them. Now I'm saddened about whatever deeper themes that reveals about him. He probably writes himself as the wise cat, who talks to Coraline. Writers will often put pieces of themselves in their stories, but it seems the cat, despite his creepiness is supposed to be a good guy that warns Coraline about the witch. That said, others have theorized the witch herself is a prisoner of the fake world that she has to keep reconstructing to eat children's souls. So the constructed world itself is like a hungry pocket dimension or white void of nothingness, and the witch was just the errand runner who kept it fed. So i wonder if his witches irl were basically like his loyal fans who would keep the buttons on their eyes basically. 😐
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Brilliant and thought provoking content!
Thank you for covering this. Ophie TH-cam Videos did a really good one on this for anyone interested.
My prediction on the Mr. beast production was that he wanted to produce it himself which meant taking the large sum of money and making it the cheapest game to cut costs in any way so he can hoard the rest of the money for himself
THANK YOU FOR SPREADING AWARENESS!!! THANK YOU FOR PROTECTING WOMEN!
I'M SO GLAD WE HAVE SUCH BRAVE SPEAKERS LIKE YOU! YOU'RE THE INSPIRATION FOR ME NOT TO BE SILIENT TOO!
THANK YOU AGAIN, DEAR LIZA!
It's a meet and greet not a greet the meat
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Ughhhhh SAY IT AIN'T SOOOO NEIL....🤬🤬🤬🤬. I’ll have to listen to this in parts😢
“Without the wolf, red rising hood just would have been another little girl, living her life, being loved by her grandmother and living her young life unmolested…”
Wow, the horror 🙄
"little red riding hood was fine being a normal girl" actually such a heartbreaking sentence when you think of all the little girls that have been victims to wolves.
Just start watching this & i didn't knew this is a thing or it could just i never read Neil work. I'm still focusing on Adult praying on kids which is huge this year. Kat Williams predicted right on 2024 will be the year of us opening up. Few days ago lil Woadie a teen singer having a relationship of an older woman which is crazy that she haven't been arrested already....it remind me of Elvis was in a relationship with underage girl. At this point I'm convinced majority that got fame are not good people.
coraline has shaped me into the person i am today and it's absolutely earth shattering to hear he's like this but also not shocking to me at the same time. i just can't anymore. why is everything tainted by sa? why can't these men stop abusing people? wtf
Ok. I can't let this go because it was so annoying to hear when listening to you: The word is "differential", not "deferential". A power differential means there is a *difference" in power. To defer means to put off, or to yield. But the correct phrase is "power differential", i.e., a difference in power. "Power deferential" is not the phrase.
I'm only 15 minutes into your video, but I love it so far! Cheers.
I don't follow or know any of these men(I've heard of Mr beast though), thanks for covering such topics & everything your bringing awareness to!❤
Love that for you and your hubby❤. Would you ever consider interviewing him? He sounds like he has a lot of green flags. You don’t have to show his face either. Or you can just ask him and read his responses. Or not lol 😂
I would love that too!
"They would do it in a heartbeat". 💯
And imagine the predators who are good at covering their tracks better
I got a chance to meet Bruce Willis in the 90’s. I refused. I needed him to be my fantasy man not a reality man.
Oh that’s good!! He would have been a huge disappointment.
I have been a fan of his work for years. But this just ruins it all for me. I was looking forward to the next season of Good Omens, but now I can’t watch it. I feel so bad for all the actors, writers, etc whose work is tainted by his actions.
Omg… not Neil Gaiman….
I liked Coraline but I only watched it once. I always found it unsettling. Why is this man fantasizing about a little girl in such danger with adults? It didn't sit well with me.
I haven't watch or read anything from him, so that's my whole opinion on the matter.
Now I know why I found it weird.
It will always be shocking to me that Jimmy isn't even 30 yet. I honestly thought he was middle-aged.
Why, out of curiosity? I am middle aged. He's still too rubbery-looking to be even 30. Not age-relevant, but he looks vacuous.
*so true*
I said it about John Green and I now realise i was being hypocritical--interacting directly with teen girl fans online is unacceptable for adults to do. It IS grooming. Neil Gaiman obviously did this. at the time when i was 16 on tumblr, i saw right through John Green flipping out and siccing his fanbase on her when a teen girl said his access to young girls on tumblr raised red flags for her (i believe she said simply rhat he gave "over eager dad scooting too close at the tween girl pool party" energy and he attacked her saying she was accusing him of being an active pedophile, which--tell on yourself much?). But i never saw those same red flags about neil gaiman, because i was a fan. I would have LOVED if he interacted with me or gave me writing advice. I wouldve been vulnerable. How did it take me so long to see, i feel so gross about it.
That wasn't an inflammatory opening statement.