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In this video I'll be giving my last opinion on which I think is better between Dragon Ball and Dragon Ball Z.
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The original Dragon Ball is so underrated it’s actually crazy
Yeah
It’s actually crazy how it isn’t underrated at all, and is widely loved. In America, we were simply introduced to Z first, for the most part. Dragon ball never aired on TV when I was a kid. I had to seek out Dragonball on my own, which was tricky when you were a kid, before everyone had access to high speed internet. So, for the most part, most Americans have zero nostalgia for Dragonball. But Dragonball is still a highly rated anime. Underviewed, in the West, maybe, but not underrated.
@@collinsmcrae I know for a fact that I saw the first arc of DragonBall before DBZ but I remember it being a very limited run of the show and I do live in Canada so that could be another factor here. Like I said they ran the first arc and then I never saw it again after that!
I love it
Underrated in the USA,here in LATAM is famous
OG DB is my favorite. Not only does it have some of my favorite fights but it also has a good mix of more comedic scenes with it's more serious moments. Plus I love adult Goku at the end of OG DB. Also humans were still a threat to the saiyans. Builds up many of the side characters so that they can have some of their moments in DBZ
I love both but I honestly prefer the og.
Yessir
Dragon ball is better when it comes to Side characters who aren't saiyan
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@@Sammybloom259 facts
Goku is the only prevalent character in the main arcs of dragon ball that aren’t tournament arcs. Red ribbon army saga only focuses on him and tien is only effective in goku’s king piccolo fight because he could fly. In the tournament arcs other characters get fights and great moments but goku is still the primary character of focus in the tournament arcs. In DBZ other side characters get focused on much more. Goku gets the main fights against the main antagonists but DBZ doesn’t really focus on goku as a character the way dragon ball does. In the namek saga, mostly gohan and krillin, and later vegeta, become basically the main characters that get the most focus until goku arrives and piccolo arrives later. The saiyan saga, goku isn’t even there for most of it. The Android saga, goku is also not there for most of it and he doesn’t even get the main fight against cell. Gohan does and goku really only gets one major fight that entire saga. The buu saga definitely tries to start with gohan as the main character but it certainly does take a drastic shift to only focusing on goku and vegeta. Also giving some important focus to Mr. Satan of all people, in spite of all the other characters deserving more focus. So, most of DBZ actually isn’t really about goku. He’s just the one that gets the big fights. That doesn’t mean that the other characters aren’t focused on at all, far from it. In dragon ball, characters like krillin were much closer to goku in strength than he was in Z but krillin did a lot more in Z than he did in dragon ball. He was basically one of main characters in Z, although in dragon ball he was basically a side character. Yamcha on the other hand, was always a side character. It really sucks how all of the other characters got sidelined and totally outclassed in Z but it really didn’t happen until the buu saga, when even piccolo got completely sidelined and shafted. For instance, one of my favorite things about krillin is that he’s so outclassed in Z, yet he’s always putting in the work against bad guys like frieza and vegeta. He’s actually important in the story in Z but in dragon ball he gets good fights but doesn’t impact the plot very much. Even yajirobe did more in Z than he did in dragon ball. Cutting off vegeta’s tail basically saved everyone and nothing he did in dragon ball even came close. So, Z really didn’t immediately sideline everybody. It was more gradual with how they sidelined people. Even tien got a big moment in the cell saga. Don’t get me wrong, I like dragon ball much more than Z. Roshi, chaozu, and yamcha were immediately sidelined in Z, though and I hate that.
You’re such an underrated TH-camr bro. You’re discussions are on par with most “big” anime TH-camrs. I’ve been a dragon ball fan for as long as I can remember but never heard anyone to talk about it the way you do. It’s not all about which character is stronger or who would win in a hypothetical fight. It’s about the anime as a whole,the good and the bad. Keep it up bro 💯
Here in my country, Greece, the OG DB aired in its correct order, before DBZ. While I love them both, I think the OG DB is better. The more DBZ raised the stakes, the more it was losing the OG's heart and soul. DBZ shoved aside anyone who wasn't alien, it became more about power levels than actual skill and even the series' namesake items stopped being the focal point after Frieza Saga and became pretty much a McGuffin. Piccolo's redemption during the Saiyan Saga doesn't make sense without the OG DB, you can tell there's something missing if you haven watched the OG DB first. The whole time travelling shenaningans of the Cell Saga always lose me, and the Buu Saga is a complete chaos of a story.
i started watching dragon ball completely blind not knowing ANYTHING about it 1 month ago. now ive finished everything up to super and caught up on the manga. i can confidently say as someone who knew literally nothing about this show before watching it and not expecting much, original dragon ball stands out as the absolute best. no question. id rewatch it if i had the time
also tao pai pai was an awesome villain. the way he threw pillars only to instantly jump on them and ride them. i thought he was sooo over powered that goku never stood a chance. looking back, that thought didn't age well lol
@@vvocalI will say that scene where he threw the pillar just to ride on it was wild when I first saw it. Dragon Ball definitely had something special about it. I don't know if it was because it felt more light hearted and cozy but it is one of those few shows where I even enjoyed the side quests/filler in it. In DBZ it is because of the high stakes that I would not want to sit through filler and would rather instantly skip to the next important part of the story. But in OG Dragon Ball I felt like it was so much more chill where I could just sit back and enjoy the ride. The lower stakes did sometimes benefit the series and I think even the comedy was some of the best the franchise ever produced.
Also side note. When Dragon Ball did in fact have higher stakes and things got serious it felt really epic. The scene where Goku went to fight against King Piccolo after Drinking the Water is still one of my favorites in the entire series.
@@ether2275 I agree with everything you said. and i agree the filler was really good. i actually stopped following the filler list when red ribbon arc started, then looked at a filler list later on and thought "wait what?! these were filler?! no way!"
Dragon Ball has higher Stakes as it's harder to get the dragon balls.
Dragon Ball Z made it easy to get the dragon balls and made it easy to travel through space and created a second set of Dragon Balls. Dragon Balls in Z are used to reset all consequences and removed most of the tension.
Most of the formula for later arcs came from the king piccolo arc.
Vegeta has some of the worst character development in Dragon Ball because he constantly goes through regression.
If Piccolo wasn't a major villain in Dragon Ball his character Arc would be less impactful.
Also fights were more complex in the original Dragon Ball as they had a far more limited skill set.
Characters couldn't spam generic ki balls that never do anything, and all the techniques generally became more generic and Bland.
Dragon Ball has Superior pacing.
The overuse of Transformations ultimately affected Dragon Ball Z negatively.
Tien was generally more complex than any of the villains in later Z,and legitimately has the best character Arc.
The first Arc of Dragon Ball has morally grey main characters to a greater extent than any of its later arcs.
I feel like with dragon ball the progression of over coming adversities was a lot more steady and cohesive as well as it felt like characters were a lot more fleshed out to build a connection towards. By the time Z came out, it became heavily focused on power scaling and even into super, The Saiyans were carrying the wins after the biggest battles.
Which is not necessarily bad, but it does kind of out shadow every other character in the series that we would like to see shine. It wouldn’t be until years after Z was done that I could appreciate what the OG Dragonball had done as far character development with, where as DBZ I loved a lot more for what the action brought to the table. The main problem going forward is what exact adversities are they gonna come up with that isn’t going to feel cheap and convoluted to reach new heights because it seems like they’ve already reached their peaks as far as scaling goes now and you can’t necessarily go back the goofiness that was in DB that Daima now is trying to cash in on now.
Imagine if they make a Kai version of the og dragon ball
That'll be cool.
Dragon Ball Kai: The First Chapters
@@Whoisthatguy906 dragon ball Kai: the super final chapters :gt
I was hoping Shueisha and Toei were going to get around to that but it never came to be. Dragon Ball Kai: Beginnings.
I don't think it would work in today's reality. Japanese comedy from the 90s is not really translatable to today's political and social way of thinking. Sadly current American extreme leftists would sue the fuck outta everyone due to Kid Goku's cock and balls, panties everywhere, sexual innuendos etc.
I find both OG and Z evenly match it just depends what you prefer.OG has the martial arts adventure vides while Z has the high stakes and character development.I prefer Z but i can see why some choose OG.
currently reading dragon ball for the first time (haven’t seen the anime either) but i’m really enjoying it so far - been able to read 40 chapters within half a day! really looking forward to the future of the series and to check out ur series also
Your videos are improving so much man. Very inspiring.
I truly appreciate this comment, more than you know
After rewatching Dragon Ball, the martial arts and techniques in Dragon ball are way better. After Radditz the martial arts animation in Z was limited as the characters got faster and more powerful. Movies like Dead Zone , Worlds strongest, Tree of might had some good martial arts scenes. Also Dragon ball isn’t as censored as Z. They have a lot of adult sexual themes in Z, a lot of gun play, nudity. Also more comedy . I’m still picking DBZ but it’s a very close.
Love both🔥💯
Both are fantastic and they’re both part of the same story so I don’t really like comparing the two.
Something The Act Man said about DBZ that stuck with me which I think encapsulates the illusion of the “high stakes” point about DBZ. Basically: High Stakes does not (necessarily) equal high drama. And when I think back to OGDB, the Earth or the Galaxy or the universe didn’t need to be at risk for the tension and stakes to be high. It just was because of great storytelling and character dynamic.
I just finished re-watching Dragon Ball a couple of months, and while I was watching I used to think it was better than Z, but after I finished I rewatched DBZ and DBZ is definitely better, but I wouldn't argue too much about it bc both are top.
I like the og but I still dont understand y the few rather the og over dbz lmao probably wanna be different
@@tenxion664 i prefer og dragon ball because of its story and how characters that aren't saiyans are still very included the whole time
Once I heard you say you watch dbz first I think nostalgia altered your decision. But I’m not biased either because I finished the two series in about a month
I prefer to think of DB and DBZ as one whole story like the manga was instead of two separate shows, just like how I prefer to think of the Saiyan Saga and Frieza Saga as one epic continuous arc instead of two separate ones. Honestly, DB kinda became DBZ sooner than it actually did with the King Piccolo Saga since the tone and stakes became drastically different from that point onward in the story. Sure, Goku was still a kid at that point and hadn't learned of his alien heritage, but tone-wise it and the Piccolo Junior Saga still feel more like DBZ than OG Dragon Ball.
I feel the same way
Yeah in my opinion, it clears (especially when comparing the anime, where Dragon Ball Z becomes Drag-on Ball Z midway through the Freeza Arc).
In terms of villains, I really dig the Red Ribbon Army as a cohort, Tao Pai Pai & Tenshinhan and prefer them over guys like Freeza, Cell, etc.
It has better story arcs too, like if I were to make a cohesive list it’d look something like:
1. Red Ribbon
2-4. the three Tenkaichi Budokais
5. Saiyan
6. Hunt for the Dragon Balls
7. Freeza
8. Piccolo Daimao
9. Cell
10. Boo
Your the best DBS/DBZ youtuber i know. Keep up the great videos dude. 👍
Great Content.!
Dragon Ball Z is only weaker because of the Buu saga. Up until Cell's end it was a straight up banger.
Even the Saiyaman Saga was good.
Buu saga was worse because:
- Toriyama got freed from supervisors and turned out isn't actually that good writer on his own.
- Too much fucking around, or filler even in the MANGA
- This is where Super Saiyan forms became a joke, where even Gotenks and Trunks could turn into SSJ1 coming out from the womb.
Said that, still miles better than Super but still.
OG Dragon Ball was arguably my introduction to Anime as a whole. Not only it was action packed, humorous, had great characters and amazing animation, but in hindsight, also had PEAK storytelling with arcs that are left up to interpretation.
I love both but I like the laid back nature of Dragon Ball and I like the fights more
Ogdb is fantastic i wouldn't say its better than Z but its a different kind of great.
In my eyes, the Buu arc is basically a glorified epilogue to Dragon Ball as a whole.
Dragon ball is great, but nothing compares to DBZ. In my opinion, Dragon Ball became better when it stopped having Goku as a gag character, and added stakes and legit danger. And DBZ just continued to up the ante and introduce characters like Vegeta and Trunks. It will forever have a special place in my heart.
DBZ would've been much better if the Buu saga was done properly. Buu is what's holding DBZ back.
Monkey boy doing karate with talking pigs isn't exactly a billion dollar franchise material. If it wasn't for Z, Dragon Ball would be about as popular as Dr Slump.
Read the manga as a kid, and as I am sure everyone knows, it is just one long story known as DB. Even before watching the anime, I felt that the biggest mistake of the manga was the introduction of Saiyans, I much preferred the earthbound mysteries and more grounded and inventive fights. The shift of course is only more noticeable in the Anime since it is named differently, but also I was a lot older when I finally did watch the anime, and I had a lot harder time watching Z, whereas DB was just a funfest, and surprisingly the fillers in that one that weren't in the manga, only added to the story.
There were indeed alternatives to what we got. But once you got the title Strongest under the Heavens there was no place to go but... well beyond the actual heavens. I did like the mysticism around the OG Dragon Ball, they could've still keep a bit more along that narrative for a while. Maybe turning the Dead Zone movie into an actual story arc. World's Strongest too.
It is, its sounds cliche but the early one had mystery going on , it painted the world very large and things yet to discover , we saw it through Goku's eyes and believe or not Goku actually started to learn.
It had its flaws like Pilaf gang apearing often which I didnt like , other than that nothing to complain
Dragon Ball is superior to Z on the simple grounds that it played to Akira Toriyama's strengths as a writer, by keeping things fairly grounded, it allowed for things to develop naturally over time. until he got lazy and did the three year time skip to get to Goku vs Piccolo Jr as quickly as possible. Once that happened, the natural flow of a story developing was disrupted and never fixed. Why show actual character development when you can skip it. Hell most of the reason why I love the filler of Dragon Ball Z that most people despise because the filler actually FIXES DBZ's pacing problem by forcing it to slow down.
To be honest i think DBZ didn't had enough filler. That's where Super is ... well, superior even to the very DBZ. DBS has some good quality slice of life fillers. For DBZ to be awesome we would've needed the following fillers: a few more episodes traveling to Namek, some adventures here and there, more than just a fake Namek and an ark full of refugees. After Son Goku's victory over Frieza we got that Garlic Jr filler arc that was kinda boring. Instead we should've seen some Son Goku space adventures. The scenes with Vegeta searching for him through the universe were good, but underdeveloped. An entire story arc of Goku adventures with Vegeta arriving only after he leaves would've been awesome. This would also serve as a reason for Goku and his SSJ to be a name to be reckoned with in the galaxy. After the Cell arc, the Afterlife arc could've been extended beyond that tournament, because i am pretty sure the other world can be a place with unexplored areas and potential adventures, because not only the dead dwell there. The same can be said about Gohan's high school times, there was potential for more teenage life episodes and also for some OG Dragon Ball like content for Goten.
There’s no competition. The Dragon Ball is excellent, Z quickly loses its way and it’s messaging. Z actively undid a lot of the stuff that was great in the original.
You laid everything out well, and I respect your opinion here. I'm going to have tk side with OG Dragon Ball. 👍🏾
yes it is
I mean, they're literally the same show. Z is literally just a sequel. Same voice actors, same animators, same music teams, same writers for filler and movies. It just feels weird comparing the 2 at times.
IT. IS. THE. SAME. STORY. It is one continuous manga. They just put “Z” on the name of the later episodes. In the manga there is no “Z”, or at least there wasn’t when it first came out.
I understand that. But we aren’t going to act like the two parts don’t have different tones, fighting, overall story composition
I watched Dragon Ball the first time recently, and I enjoyed the greater amount of adventure, but I had hoped my problems with Dragon Ball Z had not developed, only for me to find it's where the problems began. It's also clear they at least thought the core audience grew up too much, and aspects of the world changed, only for some to come back later. Despite that, I felt the lack of adventure and post Frieza power creep ruined the pacing of DBZ for me. So I ended up enjoying Dragon Ball more, even though it still had the useless side character syndrome and Goku always saving the day every time.
I love both Dragon Ball and Dragon Ball Z, but definitely Dragon Ball didn’t get serious until the Red Ribbon Army Saga and definitely the best Saga in Dragon Ball is definitely King Piccolo Saga, I love both but I think Dragon Ball Z is better because of the high stakes, and the major important arcs man, and it truly stepped up, I loved all of the arcs from start to finish, seeing Vegeta’s character development from start to finish is amazing in itself but he still keeps his pride and he strives to be the best that he can be and he still tries to surpass Goku and I love how he admitted that Goku is stronger than him and that he is the best, seeing Trunks, Piccolo, Gohan, Goten, Yamcha, Tien, Chiaotzu, etc.
I liked when the story was just about finding the dragon balls now they're a joke
For me dragon ball is more rewatchable but dbz has more tension
I respect your choice. Personally I prefer Dragonball over Dragonball z. The stakes of battle of honour between two noble warriors ( like brothers) is far more entertaining to me. But to each his own. Krillin vs Goku was amazing.
Was Dragon Ball better than Dragon Ball?
OG Dragon Ball is one of my favorite things ever, i think it's more consistently enjoyable, yes, it may not have higher stakes, but i don't think taking up to 11 is needed to be better or good, and, well i like the characters having a better spotlight, by the end i was surprised my favorite character would be, out of any, Tien. But i do have to say emotionally, DBZ was better at that.
Og is far better because it had a standard formula and a clear direction: dragon ball incident - tenkaichi budokai
Where in z after frieza saga it doesnt have a point of existing and its just a new big villain aopearing stringer than the previous. It ruins most of the characters from og and diesnt give them screentime. And from the point of namek dragon balls resurectung someone who has already come back to life it s just pointless. In og dragon balls where more than just bringing someone back to life. It was what brought the characters together
In retrospect, yes😶🧐
Both really good
OG Dragon Ball is what Z isn't; *consistent* and generally paced well (with a few exceptions). I could not watch Z again due to the excess filler, awful pacing and a poor dub in earlier sagas. I'd put OG Dragon Ball at the same level of Kai up until the end of the Cell saga with Z well below. The Buu saga is another aspect that drags down Z and Kai, it's just not as strong as previous sagas in my opinion.
I think the success of DBZA is testament to how good dbz would be if it didn't take itself so seriously
Put full episodes of Z on youtube to watch for free and see which is more popular 😅
Which ever you side you're on we can all agree that Dragon Ball and Dragon Ball Z are better than GT and Super.
You said kid goku in og db only had one life or death fight but thats not true, mercenary tao thought he had killed him and goku had to recover from
The fight and reach a new level in order to beat him, way before the king piccolo chapter
Also as a second part of my comment. After watching Kinnikuman and seeing how much Dbz took from it.
OG dragonball was a show where there was actual adventures. Where Goku starts with nothing and ends with family and friends.
Short answer yes by a lot
I prefer the original DB. But then again, there is no real distinction in Toriyama's manga. It's one continuous story. So if I have to pick a favourite part of the entire story, there's some overlap. Toriyama's writing was at its best from Demon King Piccolo up until the Saiyan arc.
Fun fact: my mom watched og dragon ball in japanese
Yes.
Yeah, that true.
Original Dragon ball is my favorite part of the story
Yes
i mean dbz isnt really high stake because you can always revive
yes
rock the dragon oh my god
world building, Z does not have that past him being a sayin
Who cares both were great i loved both dragonball is a build up to the bigger picture watching all gokus accomplishments the limits he reached every battle he goes thro was memorable to me cuz it build goku up and i agrer vegeta gohan and piccolo are my most favorite too but i dont like what they did to gohan tho
It's the same story, Dragon Ball.
Anime added the Z because Torashima is annoying and thought the anime staff wasn't taking the IP seriously enough.
Dragon ball 🥰
Short answer: yes
I think Dragon Ball is better than Dragon Ball Z. And my argument is that in Dragon Ball they have really good tactical fights and it's not only about pure strength. I have the feeling that in the Android Saga that spirit got lost...
They are the same manga, 1-42.
yeah no the demon king piccolo arc isn't even top 3 when it comes to original dragon ball, at best it's better that the red ribbon army saga (debatable) but if you think it is better than ANY of the tenkaichi budokai you are just objectively wrong
The only thing I liked about Dragon ball more then z was that they threw more hands in the O.G Dragon ball lol
One of the things I’ll always give toriyama his props for is how he was able to pull a 360 in tone with dragonball, you don’t ever notice how the tone switches from an adventure gag manga to a serious action fighting manga. He was able to truly pull it off and other manga/anime series’s usually struggle to pull it off or if they do it’s noticeable.
GT is so good its out of the equation
Gt is MAD boring bro
Mostly... YES. Yes indeed it is. And this is not the "old is gold" geezer mentality. Dragon Ball is objectively better than Z! If Boo Saga didn't existed, then it would be way harder to say this truth. But as it is right now i will say it LOUD and CLEAR: DB > DBZ!!!
Dragon Ball is far more consistent than original DBZ. Dragon ball Z has far higher highs and lower lows. Tho DBZ Kai (not including the final chapters) might beat original Dragon Ball
Dragonballl is better because they don't ever mention power levels. If you cut all of the power level discussion out of Z it would be half the run-time. Dragonball is obviously better because it was written as a stand alone story, whereas Z was written to sell to over energized young boys. I don't like how Z focuses on fights, I don't like how it continues forever with escalating power. I don't like the repetitive villains. Dragonball is a pure original story written by somebody out of pure love and inspiration, Z is a cash grab
Yes. By a wide margin. OG Dragon Ball is better than Z.
As great as Dragon Ball part 1 is it just wouldn't survive in 2023 due to Muten Roshi pedo moments.... people would be like wtf bro.
DB is better than DBZ
How is DBZ high stakes? Death has no significance it that series. In DB no one was sure
I'm afraid that your opinion is biased by the factor that you watched dragon ball Z first. If you had watched dragon ball first, you would realize that all the great things that you love and surprised you in Z, were already there. Is not the story of Goku becoming a man. It was the story of Goku. Although it is still creative till the Namek saga, Z is nothig more than the repetition of the same trops and motives of the first part of the story and to me is just a bunch of repetitions, transformations, power levels and fusions beyond any sense.
Only.people.who prefer the z is the people who don't see dragon ball.from.the starts.the z is the start.of.the boring.e.repetitive.the og i s still.the best,evem if there are many great.things in z it s not better than the og
dbz is better than dragon ball and reason dbz is better than dragon ball is because in dbz we have Vegeta and in dragon ball its only kakarot and i hate kakarot
so dbz will always be better than dragon ball because of Vegeta
Dragon Ball Z took a lot more risks, especially with his character development as a Saiyan, as a father, as a friend, comrade, as a mentor and guide for the next generation. It stepped up in every way.
Dragon Ball is much better tbh. Z is very good but …. Dragon ball has heart and soul. It has focus and is extremely close to the manga. Dragon ball Z is all over the place, pacing, movies, the lack of martial arts focus, the constant power level focus. Dragon ball is much better. I think super is as well.