Why did Dragon Balls art style change so much?

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  • On this channel I've delved into the evolution of DragonBalls art style numerous times however I've seldom discussed the WHY behind these changes. Did series author Akira Toriyama make a deliberate attempt to change the look of the series or was it a result of just simply refining his style over time? Well, join me today as we pour through numerous interviews to find the answer!
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  • @KaiserMattTygore927
    @KaiserMattTygore927 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3417

    The Real question is: "How did Vegeta get taller?" he was the legendary SUPER-MANLET and now he's just sort of short.

    • @samuellafontaine4857
      @samuellafontaine4857 2 ปีที่แล้ว +389

      He trained and did leg day and stretching non stop… that’s gonna be for the vegeta growth spinoff 😂😂😂😂

    • @doryu1004
      @doryu1004 2 ปีที่แล้ว +314

      5'2 to 5'5
      PROGRESS >:D

    • @johnzahm193
      @johnzahm193 2 ปีที่แล้ว +250

      Well saiyans do age slower, maybe they grow slower too lmao

    • @9VK7
      @9VK7 2 ปีที่แล้ว +116

      If you compare the boots he wears in the Broly movie to the ones in the Saiyan through Cell Saga, they have slightly thicker grey soles but in universe he probably just grew a bit.

    • @ericstaples7220
      @ericstaples7220 2 ปีที่แล้ว +407

      Vegeta been using the dragon balls for years to slowly make it look like he's been growing. He beat Frieza to the idea.

  • @Web-Slinger42
    @Web-Slinger42 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3053

    Fans: "It's too square"
    Toriyama: "You underestimate my Geometric powers"

    • @mrsavage4837
      @mrsavage4837 2 ปีที่แล้ว +64

      I love toriyama’s new style. F the haters

    • @leik7728
      @leik7728 2 ปีที่แล้ว +32

      @@mrsavage4837 do you mean the movie art style of dragon ball super art style

    • @kirigirimaii18
      @kirigirimaii18 2 ปีที่แล้ว +16

      sounds like Janemba to me

    • @TwilightWolf032
      @TwilightWolf032 2 ปีที่แล้ว +15

      *inhales*
      "THIS ISN'T EVEN MY FINAL -SHAPE- FORM!!!

    • @blacklivesorblackvotes2985
      @blacklivesorblackvotes2985 2 ปีที่แล้ว +19

      @@mrsavage4837 just because people don’t share your opinion doesn’t mean they’re haters, fanboy.
      F the fanboys. See, I can get petty too

  • @SikMindedGaming
    @SikMindedGaming 2 ปีที่แล้ว +560

    I just wish Super's style was closer to DBZ.

    • @forgottenrelics1197
      @forgottenrelics1197  2 ปีที่แล้ว +62

      Same, really wish Katsuyoshi Nakatsuru had filled that role

    • @j04370859
      @j04370859 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Being based on Toriyama's modern designs, plus new character designers, of course it won't.

    • @Mahlak_Mriuani_Anatman
      @Mahlak_Mriuani_Anatman 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +18

      Super Broly style is cool

    • @xandosworld
      @xandosworld 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +31

      Yeah the characters look like they all went vegan .

    • @reymisteryo9163
      @reymisteryo9163 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +15

      It looks more like Pokemon style characters.

  • @MegaSolidninja
    @MegaSolidninja 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1229

    I love the way SS1 was drawn in the early android season. That's my favourite art style.

    • @pinstripecool34
      @pinstripecool34 2 ปีที่แล้ว +158

      Same I always liked the softer looking hair and aura.

    • @MrLachapell
      @MrLachapell 2 ปีที่แล้ว +140

      Not to mention the "aura , no-sura" color scheme (stronger yellows with aura, and lighters yellows without aura)
      To me it was the favourite thing about the ssj transformation
      Nowadays they stick with color scheme

    • @starcityrc3298
      @starcityrc3298 2 ปีที่แล้ว +71

      Hyperbolic Time Chamber is my favorite art. I like the SSJ while in a natural state.
      Gohan walking around normal with Blonde Hair.

    • @Noname-rn4gl
      @Noname-rn4gl 2 ปีที่แล้ว +21

      I like the buu saga art style the most

    • @knightofjustice5475
      @knightofjustice5475 2 ปีที่แล้ว +39

      @@pinstripecool34 The animator who did the Vegita/android 19 fight nailed the look. The simple persistent glow was a really cool introduction to Vegita's foray into the form.

  • @timtapp5931
    @timtapp5931 2 ปีที่แล้ว +643

    Also to factor in on the changing style, on the manga side, is the fact that Dragon Ball was a weekly manga. And Toriyama had one assistant, while he draw most of the manga. Do that for 10 years, you learn real quick to be more efficient, while trying to maintain quality. It's not easy, nor any surprise that Toriyama did not go back to long running weekly manga ever again.

    • @Rude_Boi
      @Rude_Boi 2 ปีที่แล้ว +91

      This is the realest answer right here, and I don't blame Toriyama for this.

    • @forgottenrelics1197
      @forgottenrelics1197  2 ปีที่แล้ว +98

      Yep and he also did character designs for video games like Dragon Quest and wrote other manga like Go GO Ackman all while writing and illustrating Dragon Ball!

    • @rockk9753
      @rockk9753 ปีที่แล้ว +11

      He was also part of the animation team back in the 90s from the dragon ball anime... that dude is talented

    • @Coquitox
      @Coquitox 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +14

      Not sure if mandela effect but I heard him say once that the whole reason he invented the super saiyan was so he didn’t have to ink goku’s hair all the time, which was very time consuming.

    • @KingPBJames
      @KingPBJames 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      @@Coquitox That is correct. I feel bad for these mangaka; the grind is brutal.

  • @puttputt524
    @puttputt524 2 ปีที่แล้ว +91

    DBZ fans: recognize saga by lines in artwork.
    Akira Toriyama: forgets everyone’s hair color and ages and Launch.

    • @gugaaraujo98
      @gugaaraujo98 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +8

      Launch 😢

    • @Nerdy_Elliot
      @Nerdy_Elliot 26 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

      This is so accurate lmfao

  • @trifeloco
    @trifeloco 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1110

    Not only has the art been dumbed downed in Dragon Ball Super, but also the violence. In comparison DB DBZ were always more grittier. Miss those days.

    • @2025fahaddenseje
      @2025fahaddenseje 2 ปีที่แล้ว +148

      The violence downgraded is not toei's fault. The age rating in japan has changed.
      At least shintani's style looks better than modern yamamoro's one

    • @trifeloco
      @trifeloco 2 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      @@2025fahaddenseje I vaguely recall reading something about that somewhere. That sucks.

    • @2025fahaddenseje
      @2025fahaddenseje 2 ปีที่แล้ว +104

      @@trifeloco On the bright side, believe or not, DBS manga still has that kind of old school violence, something that we probably never will see on TV.

    • @trifeloco
      @trifeloco 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@2025fahaddenseje True!

    • @kaleomariz1000
      @kaleomariz1000 2 ปีที่แล้ว +17

      @@2025fahaddenseje
      what?! Could you explain it to us better.
      I really want to understand why they made Dragonball super so much dumber and more “childish” than DBZ.
      The series should have matured but instead it dumbed down.
      Was it to suit a younger and newer audience?

  • @fahad6048
    @fahad6048 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1995

    I always thought that the art style in DBZ buu arc changed to show how stronger goku had become. His muscles are way more defined, bigger and look way more cooler lol. But yeah, personally the artwork looks way better in the later part of the series.

    • @jasonone8726
      @jasonone8726 2 ปีที่แล้ว +192

      Actually, Goku was at his bulkiest in the Frieza saga.

    • @DarthVader-sp8fe
      @DarthVader-sp8fe 2 ปีที่แล้ว +31

      @@jasonone8726 and in the cell saga as well

    • @trigger8221
      @trigger8221 2 ปีที่แล้ว +107

      It did. They had the characters look more menencing towards the end. A gradual shift from the soft pudgy characters in original kid goku

    • @danielvelaswuez7197
      @danielvelaswuez7197 2 ปีที่แล้ว +34

      @@jasonone8726 Maybe in his base but in his super Saiyan 2 and especially 3 he was bulky af

    • @freedustin
      @freedustin 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @@danielvelaswuez7197 SS2 makes anyone too bulky, it's the flaw of that transformation.

  • @lambogenie5048
    @lambogenie5048 2 ปีที่แล้ว +180

    Has anyone noticed that almost all the main villains in DB universe have no eyebrows and their ears are like hollow tubes except for piccolo, Dr. Gero and Moro of course. Was toriyama aware of this?

    • @skezeksskybreaker5425
      @skezeksskybreaker5425 2 ปีที่แล้ว +53

      Probably very much so because he designed these characters. Probably saved them time drawing ears, also for these alien looking creatures it actually looks better than drawing them human or giant elf ears. Also we all know that SSJ was originally supposed to have black hair, but went with blonde which in black and white manga it saves a ton of time and ink.

    • @danielvelaswuez7197
      @danielvelaswuez7197 2 ปีที่แล้ว +13

      I always wondered WTH was with freezas ears before his last form they look like they are made by the armor his troops wear.

    • @trjordan
      @trjordan 2 ปีที่แล้ว +11

      Toriyama has said he uses ear holes as an easy way to draw aliens 😂

    • @DrMcMoist
      @DrMcMoist 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      My buddy and I used to refer to them as 'Frieza Ears'.

  • @britnijones7622
    @britnijones7622 2 ปีที่แล้ว +153

    Ive always liked how this worked out. I feel like his style changed as a reflection of their growth kinda too. Like goku's teen/20s he still had that roundish shape but it was also soemwhat square and as he grew with age and skill he became more stronger and his physique changed alot.

  • @joshwilliams6517
    @joshwilliams6517 2 ปีที่แล้ว +69

    I just thought the art style changing was the characters getting more jacked... lol

  • @jasonone8726
    @jasonone8726 2 ปีที่แล้ว +904

    The last saga of the original DB to the Frieza saga, that was peak Toriyama art.
    Edit: Guys, I'm obviously talking about the manga, not anime lol

    • @GiveGodCredit
      @GiveGodCredit 2 ปีที่แล้ว +80

      Buu saga vegeta is my favorite design :(

    • @jasonone8726
      @jasonone8726 2 ปีที่แล้ว +12

      @@GiveGodCredit Yeah, design, not art too much, the anime looked great though.

    • @NobaraGamezzz
      @NobaraGamezzz 2 ปีที่แล้ว +51

      I feel like after super saiyans were introduced, dragon ball changed for the worse.

    • @laserbeamlightning
      @laserbeamlightning 2 ปีที่แล้ว +26

      Awesome Fish Prince agreed. Power scaling as opposed to cleverness was emphasized

    • @cvzanikos1
      @cvzanikos1 2 ปีที่แล้ว +35

      @@NobaraGamezzz Toriyama didn't really want to go past the Frieza Saga

  • @wormHD
    @wormHD 2 ปีที่แล้ว +729

    Even though the style of the Broly Movie in 2018 wasn't talked about too much in this vid I like it a lot because it reminds me of Toriyama's later work where he had more angular design and and less pentsrokes, the 2018 movie took this approach and the only difference is that lines are softer and not that angular per se until the latter part of the movie which had more of an emphasis on fighting. Thanks for making this video and I hope to see more cool content from you :)

    • @klaedoe9042
      @klaedoe9042 2 ปีที่แล้ว +33

      Yeah, the shintani style is my favorite, it stays true to toriyamas manga artwork

    • @SuperSaiyanDate
      @SuperSaiyanDate 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Maybe the least favourite style of all.
      It have literally nothing in common with Toriyama's works, and of course no any with the OG series.
      It's just bad One Piece design poorly mimicking Dragon Ball and thinking that dirty lineart was THE reason of why OG designs are so good, that it was the whole point, instead of something else.
      Everything done wrong basically.

    • @wormHD
      @wormHD 2 ปีที่แล้ว +19

      @@SuperSaiyanDate The new designs don't come without mistake like for some characters it makes them look a bit too young but I think it's fine, it's no failure. These designs where made with animation in mind so being accurate to the manga it's portraying isn't the #1 priority. In addition it is an original animation so it doesn't matter that much, as long as it looks fine in motion.

    • @SuperSaiyanDate
      @SuperSaiyanDate 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@wormHD every design made with animation in mind.
      To be accurate to the OG is the #1 priority.
      What is "original animation" suppose to mean? It's not a fanmade.
      It not looks fine in motion too.

    • @wormHD
      @wormHD 2 ปีที่แล้ว +11

      It's original in the sense that the specific storyline doesn't not have a manga counterpart to go off of. I believe you are too used to very angular designs and every character having defined muscles, I can appreciate that but that's not the only thing I like.

  • @buildinasentry1046
    @buildinasentry1046 2 ปีที่แล้ว +65

    Personally im the biggest fan of the rounder art, not the super early version but like mid-DB to early Z

  • @TaeSunWoo
    @TaeSunWoo 2 ปีที่แล้ว +177

    As a kid I just always assumed it was because even though Saiyans don’t age much people still look a little different throughout the years

    • @8E_3T
      @8E_3T 2 ปีที่แล้ว +24

      That's a really fun interpretation.

    • @Lyrical.ly7
      @Lyrical.ly7 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      They do age

  • @davidowen28
    @davidowen28 2 ปีที่แล้ว +124

    The art simply evolved as the series' mood became much more aggressive. The cleaner and sharper lines just seem more powerful.

    • @gillysummerss
      @gillysummerss ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Agreed. I’m happy that this seems to be the consensus amongst the fans in the comments.

    • @SavageFreddy33
      @SavageFreddy33 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      @@gillysummerss I think they went way too far with it, the characters became almost unrecognizable by the end of it. You don't need overly angular characters to tell a serious story, you need better writing.

    • @Breakaway-ic5gj
      @Breakaway-ic5gj 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      ​@@SavageFreddy33 I think it just looks cool

  • @GeteMachine
    @GeteMachine 2 ปีที่แล้ว +414

    I think my favorite art style in the manga might be from the 23rd Budokai fight with Piccolo jr. to the end of the early Saiyan arc (1:44), right before things got a bit too angular. When just the body anatomy was rounder, but I do admit the angularity works the best in the Cell arc to convey the seriousness and intensity of the character's strength that probably wouldn't work with a rounded style. The characters do look cooler more angular but the square muscles do make the characters look a bit too stiff at times in base form. The higher forms being angular though makes sense.

    • @jasonone8726
      @jasonone8726 2 ปีที่แล้ว +16

      While the Buu saga art in the anime looked amazing, the manga, not so much.

    • @hoodedmullet8194
      @hoodedmullet8194 2 ปีที่แล้ว +19

      @@jasonone8726 that might be because Toriyama was burned out by that point

    • @justatoaster7476
      @justatoaster7476 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      @@hoodedmullet8194 This, though it’s not something exclusive to Dragon Ball as YHH and Naruto had similar issues near the end.

    • @mrsavage4837
      @mrsavage4837 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@jasonone8726 the buu saga Manga ver looked the same like the first volume ver.

    • @jasonone8726
      @jasonone8726 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@mrsavage4837 No it didn't, you can see the the obvious difference.

  • @mechajay3358
    @mechajay3358 2 ปีที่แล้ว +50

    The way Toriyama change and evolved his art style to make Dragon Ball very different from Dr. Slump and again for the Z portion when series shift to a much more serious tone highlights his skills as an Artist.

  • @yisrael2322
    @yisrael2322 2 ปีที่แล้ว +54

    All styles still looked really cool

  • @LendyVi
    @LendyVi 2 ปีที่แล้ว +248

    Toriyama art style is da best

    • @hunterkudo9832
      @hunterkudo9832 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Toyotarou artstyle is pitiable

    • @jamesb3623
      @jamesb3623 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      @@hunterkudo9832 uhhh toyotaros artsyle is amazing just not his writing.

    • @hunterkudo9832
      @hunterkudo9832 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@jamesb3623 no I used to think it was good, but after seeing some fanwork, even his artstyle is meh

    • @tonyg196
      @tonyg196 2 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      @@jamesb3623 for a guy drawing manga on the monthly, his stuff is awesome. Love his gestures and dynamic poses. I just wish there was more world building in super so that we can see toyotaro's way of drawing other alien cultures and environments. My only big irk with him is his line weight being the same all the time.

    • @jamesb3623
      @jamesb3623 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@tonyg196 Yeah his lines totes could improve but hes got time to improve, But his writing is like a seesaw his idea always get me excited but the delivery mostly always disappoints.

  • @jackjacques7495
    @jackjacques7495 2 ปีที่แล้ว +130

    Those were the reasons why the artstyle at large changed, but there were additional reasons why certain characters were changed so much through the story. For example, when Vegeta was first introduced he was extremely short and noticeably less muscular, even though he was already like 30 and had been in many battles. The reason for this was because he wasn't originally meant to join the main cast. He was just going to be the villian of the Saiyan saga, and then a reluctant (but still evil) ally during Namek. Once Frieza killed him, that was supposed to be it, he was not going to revive. However, because the character became so popular with the fanbase, Toriyama eventually decided to bring him back, and since he was going to become one of the "heroes", Toriyama realized he had to give him a more...appealing general design. This is why Vegeta suddenly grew over a head taller and became a lot more muscular in later sagas.
    This is also the root of several people's assumption that "Toriyama hates Vegeta" because he doesn't give him the same amount of spotlight as Goku. No, the reason had nothing to do with hate, and more to do with the fact that since he created him with the intent of simply being a temporary villian, he wasn't keen on suddenly having to give this former villian the same attention and spotlight as Goku and Gohan (who were both always planned to be the at the center).
    Toriayama later went to say that Vegeta became a very "useful" character to have around, for better or worse, and considering how unimportant the character was originally going to be, I'd say he's given Vegeta far more attention and love that most people realize.

    • @jasv49
      @jasv49 2 ปีที่แล้ว +13

      Attention yes, love? Hell no

    • @Cbas619
      @Cbas619 2 ปีที่แล้ว +20

      I never knew that about Toriyama's intention with the Vegeta character. Good thing vegeta stuck around because he was likely an influence for other shonen characters like Sasuke

    • @lukejones7164
      @lukejones7164 2 ปีที่แล้ว +18

      Small correction, Vegeta was originally only meant to be in the Saiyan saga and killed off there, not Namek saga.

    • @purpleemerald5299
      @purpleemerald5299 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@jasv49 Vegeta’s not deserving of THAT much love…

    • @projekttaku1
      @projekttaku1 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @@jasv49 I mean, he got bulma, a son, and had one of the best character arcs in dragon ball.
      I think toriyama gave him some much needed love.

  • @nexuscross3233
    @nexuscross3233 2 ปีที่แล้ว +67

    0:06
    So that's where Jiren got his design from.🤔

    • @denpogi10
      @denpogi10 2 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      lol 😂

    • @devincampbell5007
      @devincampbell5007 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      I literally almost died because of laughing to this comment

  • @black2785
    @black2785 2 ปีที่แล้ว +20

    That side by side comparison of movie 7 and 8 blew my mind

  • @________5347
    @________5347 2 ปีที่แล้ว +20

    Artists tend to hate doing the same thing. Drawing the same way, keeing the same tone.

  • @artssenindeiii
    @artssenindeiii 2 ปีที่แล้ว +37

    I think Toriyama's old style is the best. Especially the Cell saga one. I can't believe YT didn't show me this notification

  • @Kozi15
    @Kozi15 2 ปีที่แล้ว +24

    Man I reallyike that art of Vegeta SSJ on the thumbnail.

  • @jd5726
    @jd5726 2 ปีที่แล้ว +17

    Fans should never butt into the manga, let the artist tell the story their way and how they want to tell it, you're just the fan

  • @bopperart9470
    @bopperart9470 2 ปีที่แล้ว +48

    Bro I love yur vids, like I literally feel the same way about newer art styles

  • @Amplifymagic
    @Amplifymagic 2 ปีที่แล้ว +46

    I’d like to see an evolution of Toyotaro video where we overview how much he had improved over the decade.

  • @tempest20000
    @tempest20000 2 ปีที่แล้ว +29

    I’d say my favorite look had to be Namek Saga to early Android Saga. I felt the lines and edges felt like they’re weren’t to edgy like they ended up in the Buu saga and I also prefer the original Super Saiyan color pallet. More white hot yellow with a magma looking aura than sunflower yellow and a more electric looking aura.
    It felt like that nice middle ground between OG DB style and the more edgy look we got from Buu to GT.

    • @jasonone8726
      @jasonone8726 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      The Super Saiyan hair was white looking, throughout of the whole DBZ anime.

  • @LowellLucasJr.
    @LowellLucasJr. 2 ปีที่แล้ว +84

    Evolving Art style and maturing the art are definately noticeable with Dragon balls continuation. Though going from soft to sharp is easy by any means, but does help show how much has changed over the years as both the narrative changes with the art! Thank you again for this awesome info and the reveal behind the magic!

    • @LowellLucasJr.
      @LowellLucasJr. 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Sorry meant isn't not 'is' easy

  • @druginducedfeverdream1613
    @druginducedfeverdream1613 2 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Am I the only one who prefers the older, rounder art style that was consistent through the original Dragon Ball and beginning of DBZ?

  • @Cavi587
    @Cavi587 2 ปีที่แล้ว +62

    I always really loved the artstyle from around the time 23rd budokai came around. That Goku vs Piccolo fight was the peak of Dragon Ball for me, both in the narrative and the style.

    • @justatoaster7476
      @justatoaster7476 2 ปีที่แล้ว +11

      The art was still good after that but post saiyan arc it was never as good as it was before

    • @Ian-hj4yt
      @Ian-hj4yt ปีที่แล้ว +6

      @@justatoaster7476 *Post Frieza arc

    • @dr.tacophd1239
      @dr.tacophd1239 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Yes Goku vs Piccolo Jr was peak art style.

  • @oneoctaveabove
    @oneoctaveabove 2 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    Fans: We dont like the square lines
    Toriyama: *I forgot the part where thats my problem*

  • @SarcasticWanderer
    @SarcasticWanderer 2 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    Had no idea Goku's neck grew longer over time, unless he was just hunched in one panel and was standing straight in the other.

  • @michaellacey7730
    @michaellacey7730 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    This video answered a question I didn't know I had.

  • @francofernandes2006
    @francofernandes2006 2 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    I just love the classic style from the beginning of the manga. So good...

  • @karlluigi1987
    @karlluigi1987 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Especially Mr.Satan, his design use to be very muscular tall gut with a small head,, and now he's skinny with a big head

  • @SlantCarson
    @SlantCarson 2 ปีที่แล้ว +43

    such an excellent and informative channel. super cool to see a broader look at DB's artstyle through the years
    great work as always

    • @forgottenrelics1197
      @forgottenrelics1197  2 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      Glad you enjoy it man!

    • @hersheltriton3729
      @hersheltriton3729 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Totally agree

    • @MrB-bg7qe
      @MrB-bg7qe 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@forgottenrelics1197 Besides the way the characters are drawn; do you notice a difference in how everything else is drawn? For examples: infrastructure (buildings, bridges, roads, homes), nature (mountains, bodies of water, forestry, climate zones), and other miscellaneous things like animals, atmosphere, planets, ki blast? I notice in the movies the art work is drawn from various point of views, angles, positions and distances where the characters are placed at or of it's a shot of the environmental setting in comparison to the anime. Even the scaling(sizing) is drastically different. In the movies I get a sense of how huge something is compared to other things like how enormous the tree from the Tree Of Might is, Dr. Wheelo's lair, Lord Slug, or the monster from movie 13. Even the Spirit Bomb from movie 8 compared to the Namek one looks bigger and felt more impactful.

  • @Dragonfury3000
    @Dragonfury3000 2 ปีที่แล้ว +13

    The 80s anime asthetic in DragonBall and early arcs on DragonBall Z are more interesting to look at. After the 80s age was over anime toned down the violence and blood and started compensating on cooler and cleaner designs for the characters.

  • @sungalaxy2447
    @sungalaxy2447 2 ปีที่แล้ว +13

    Awesome job, breaking down the art style of dragon ball can't wait to see more video's from you.👍👍👍

  • @Jays_dead_cat
    @Jays_dead_cat ปีที่แล้ว +4

    I love seeing mangaka's art evolve through the years. Just going through my collection of manga and looking at the early chapters to the more recent one, it's inspiring to look at because they show so much progress with their art. Inoue's Slam Dunk is a great example. By the end of the series you see so much what we expect from his incredible artwork

  • @pronounjow
    @pronounjow 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    I can tell any of Toriyama's styles immediately as soon as I see it, no matter what. That's pretty iconic.

  • @_ZamasuYT
    @_ZamasuYT 2 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    I’ve always felt there were pros/cons for every art style from the different animators they’ve utilized over the years. My personal favorite is probably /Android and Cell saga, I enjoy the paler more whiteish SSJ hair. I also like the OG Broly movie as well as Cooler, the Buu saga wasn’t bad either.

  • @fryer.studios100
    @fryer.studios100 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Great video as always and thanks for shout out👌

  • @andrewbavaro9015
    @andrewbavaro9015 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Cell and buu saga had the best art and designs. I don't know what they were thinking in super. The art style was so bad in that

  • @DimiArt
    @DimiArt 2 ปีที่แล้ว +26

    Just from the thumbnail you can see vegetas neck went from being under his chin to behind his ears, everyone got huge necks and traps

    • @waseem7195
      @waseem7195 2 ปีที่แล้ว +18

      If we trained like him at 450x gravity maybe we would too

    • @trigger8221
      @trigger8221 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      He's in ascended ssj right there

  • @yatarookayama8329
    @yatarookayama8329 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    That was all very interesting , especially for me working in 2 anime projects ( in story )

  • @UnifiedEntity
    @UnifiedEntity 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    This inadvertently gave more insight as to how the story telling of Dragonball changed as well. Both the pros and cons. Like I knew Toriyama didn't really plan it all out but he did enjoy thinking of the story at one point.

  • @IIIISai
    @IIIISai 2 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    The Manga is beautiful, but I love the way the anime looks on the Buu Arc as well

  • @AlphaProto
    @AlphaProto 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    These videos are always fun. I enjoy looking at the art, and learning about why it looks the way it does.

  • @sheikhu1039
    @sheikhu1039 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    The later artstyle looks really cool,but the old ones makes characters feel unique and animation more fluid

  • @GyariSan1
    @GyariSan1 2 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    it's a clear refinement of style. It's an extremely common thing with Japanese mangakas. Eye Shield, Yu yu Hakusho, Grappler Baki, Berserk, Dragon Ball, Slam Dunk, Ranma, City Hunter, Claymore etc. all started off looking different, but gradually the art improved/changed as the artist continue to refine their style. Not just mangakas, anybody who does art can relate to this.

    • @jaubuchon28
      @jaubuchon28 ปีที่แล้ว

      Tbf I wouldn't really agree that baki improved the art style in any way, the early art is so much damn better than what it morphed into

  • @specialnewb9821
    @specialnewb9821 2 ปีที่แล้ว +14

    Great video. I think this basically illustrates that Toribot is essentially a genius. A lazy troll genius. Little planning, desire to piss off the fans, and a constant quest for doing less work... and from that we got DB. However he's changed from the height of his powers 30 years ago, in his prime his talent was enormous.
    On a personal opinion as some who dislikes the rounder style (including the Shintani roundness) what I like about the manga's evolving style is it makes the characters look like they are aging. It's natural for kids and even teens to have some "baby fat" and it's not until the early to mid 20s that most people kind of hit their "adult" form and even then there's a more subtle process that goes on. For me the manga kind of evokes that change and I appreciate it.

  • @EyeBeZombie
    @EyeBeZombie 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I always loved saiyan/frieza saga vegeta desgin the most he's got that old school iconic look to him

  • @JMR2875
    @JMR2875 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    The SS2 drawing style during the Majin Vegeta arc is one of my favorites of all time.

  • @kingdomofentertainment5513
    @kingdomofentertainment5513 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    0:11 is something that nobody seems to adress. It is the SSJ look. It was NOT only the Animators who did change their artstyle but also Toriyama. The moment where Goku mastered the full ssj his hair looked different. Look at 0:11 left is ssj unmastered (he used it against frieza and c19), right is the full mastered one (he looks like that after leaving the time chamber).
    I know this because my parents didn‘t allow me to watch dbz, so I just bought the manga. This different ssj look was something that I noticed as a child.

    • @jasonone8726
      @jasonone8726 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      For years, I thought the difference was just a stylistic change, I wasn't aware that it was because of mastered SSJ.

    • @bm1343
      @bm1343 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I’m so sorry they did such a life-threatening decision to you.
      Nobody deserves to be taken away from such a great kingdom of story

    • @kingdomofentertainment5513
      @kingdomofentertainment5513 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@bm1343 It had the advantages tho. I know perfectly what scenes are canon and what not since I read the manga multiple times.

  • @evident5961
    @evident5961 2 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    I just thought since everyone was training so hard they needed people to look more swol

  • @bananabutt66
    @bananabutt66 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    give me end of DB/early DBZ/Raditz saga through Frieza any damn day. peak animation. just my fav

  • @Torenko
    @Torenko 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Very informative, thanks for this vid!

  • @eddysegafan6655
    @eddysegafan6655 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Rest in peace Akira Toriyama ❤

  • @AlexanderDiviFilius
    @AlexanderDiviFilius 2 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Nice vid, great idea to look at why they style changed so much.
    I definitely feel like the anime adapted to the angular style better than Toriyama did (after a point it stopped looking intentional, and just like he was burnt out imo). That’s going by the decent animators though - Uchiyama obviously didn’t handle the change as well as the likes of Shimanuki.

    • @forgottenrelics1197
      @forgottenrelics1197  2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Yeah there was a decent amount of chapters in the Buu arc where the artwork was certainly simple but it was more so burnout playing a role. And even in GT Uchiyama's style was still lagging years behind haha. Although I personally don't mind Shimanuki's Buu arc style, perhaps not my favourite style of that era but it's good :)

    • @AlexanderDiviFilius
      @AlexanderDiviFilius 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@forgottenrelics1197 oh yeah, I meant to say that Uchiyama didn’t adapt as well as Shimanuki did. Shimanuki produced some of the best looking scenes in the Boo arc, as far as I’m concerned.
      It’s a shame that we didn’t see Yamamuro and Nakatsuru provide much key animation for the arc though, they had the cleanest styles of the era imo. As much as the movies of the era look excellent, part of me wishes Toei had let the animators focus on the anime a bit more.

  • @eduardomadrigal5033
    @eduardomadrigal5033 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I personally love the old style it was beautiful

  • @theoadamsiv7844
    @theoadamsiv7844 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    one of my fav vids from you besides the coloring/shading one. the why is the most valuable for me

  • @SuperSaiyanDate
    @SuperSaiyanDate 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    5:30
    And after that some people STILL shows their ignorance claiming "Dragon Ball" to be "the father of the cliches and stereotypes", when it is literally breaking all of the cliches and stereotypes and it's story is even more relevant today considering how it achieved maybe the most interesting shonen story, which almost even no any modern shonen can achieve to this day.

    • @UnifiedEntity
      @UnifiedEntity 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Misconceptions like that are born from people going off what people say on the internet or people who know the series on a surface level, OR having no lt rewatch it for a long time and obscuring what they remember.

    • @UnifiedEntity
      @UnifiedEntity 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Also careful what you say when saying "most interesting Shonen" Cause you'll attract the One piece and Hxh mob crowd. Personally I agree with you though

  • @lordcoola
    @lordcoola 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Absolutely loved the cell saga art style

  • @edward18517
    @edward18517 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Dragon Ball's art style changed so much simply because that's how Toriyama was evolving to be. It happens to most artists throughout their career.

  • @tekgeekster
    @tekgeekster 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    3:15 and thus the shonen formula was born.

  • @FurDasGrossereWohl
    @FurDasGrossereWohl 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    My favorite style is classic, up to the Saiyan saga. Vegeta looked the best there.

  • @user-tz5uq2bt1s
    @user-tz5uq2bt1s ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I think Piccolo Jr. Saga through the Saiyan Saga was the best artstyle the series ever had.

  • @Otis151
    @Otis151 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    i like how the style changes over time. and a particular style calls back to that particular era and story line in your mind.
    Thanks for the video! cheers!

  • @aidinexmachina4232
    @aidinexmachina4232 2 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    I've always thought DBZ looked it's best during the Buu Arc. Now I know who to thank.
    But at the same time I love Toriyama's Dr. Slump-style. It's nostalgic for me.

    • @j04370859
      @j04370859 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      It looked it's best, in the anime, manga Buu saga art, was the worst.

    • @roddbroward9876
      @roddbroward9876 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I like GT the best, it's like a natural evolution of that style

  • @zerocordeiro
    @zerocordeiro 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Very nice video. I see the point from Toriyama's side, but I infinitely prefer the drawing style and overall stories pre-DBZ, precisely because it had that road-trip feel, the world was kind of a magical place and characters were so different and interesting.

  • @koketsoomarmasombuka3395
    @koketsoomarmasombuka3395 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I was so memorised by the beautiful drawings that I absolutely couldn't concentrate on the narration.

  • @wideface344
    @wideface344 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    This is this video I’ve always wanted to see. When I first got into db this was the question i always had. So thanks 😎

  • @mathematics557
    @mathematics557 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Luv this channel, always wanted someone to do a breakdown about the designs and style.

  • @M9Vendetta
    @M9Vendetta 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    The Buu Saga art style is amazing!

  • @tolahostia
    @tolahostia 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Great work as always bro!!!

  • @daviddent5662
    @daviddent5662 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Answers a lot of questions I had so thank you for making this! Also confirms what I suspected in my adulthood as I learned about character design: Toriyama loves Goku so much as a character he'll do unpredictable and chaotic things but not to hurt his beloved character. Funny how a second character can do that to you isn't it when everyone assumes it's the first.

  • @calculateddeclination5534
    @calculateddeclination5534 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Maybe that was their way of showing how the characters got older and more mature.

  • @ArchangelExile
    @ArchangelExile หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    I've always preferred the old school art style as opposed to the new one, especially DBS. The new style just feels too artificial to me.

    • @DoomKid
      @DoomKid หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Totally agreed. Might be a weird comparison, but it reminds me of how the Simpsons went from fluid hand animation to this cookie-cutter, very stiff, pre-fab style. Super genuinely reminds me of that at times.

  • @ubzSS
    @ubzSS 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    loved it every step of the way. noticing these things only kept the creative juices flowing. 👍

  • @DaveB432
    @DaveB432 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Great video. Would like to see a similar videon on One Piece design evolution.

  • @MIke2reaper
    @MIke2reaper 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Your content is very good. You need to upload at least 1 video per week and try to do more than just Dragon Ball. I am sure your channel will grow amazingly in 6 months.

  • @Vishnu_Karthik
    @Vishnu_Karthik 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Masaki Sato is the best of both worlds, he merges the old DB artstyle's idiosyncrasies with the angular DBZ style.

  • @luisfernandoenrique
    @luisfernandoenrique 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Amazing video brother

  • @bradleydias425
    @bradleydias425 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I think the best thing about the art style changing is that it shows how the characters progress. I loved that about it. So, it goes from rounded to more rigid and tough.

  • @tyrannotherium7873
    @tyrannotherium7873 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    It’s probably because of maybe aging or something else like vegeta in sayian saga looked kind of small but in the cell saga or android saga he grew a little bit and same with krillon he looks pretty damn tall but don’t get me wrong he sure it’s just that he has a big ass head in the android saga

  • @abrahamayala3347
    @abrahamayala3347 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Whatever the art style was in DBS BROLY, that’s my favorite

  • @Hampvs23
    @Hampvs23 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    When I used to read Dragon Ball as a kid the change in artwork felt like a natural transition, the growth of the characters were visible in a sense I allways thought it was genious. Toriyama made history.

  • @DavidWaker
    @DavidWaker 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Fantastic video!

  • @marcusmemelord5589
    @marcusmemelord5589 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Can wait for that yamamuro part 2

    • @forgottenrelics1197
      @forgottenrelics1197  2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Yeah man I plan to make it this week! Although over the weekend some more work came in so it may be uploaded a day later than usual or at worst I'll delay it to another week depending on how busy it all gets.

    • @marcusmemelord5589
      @marcusmemelord5589 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Hey my Instagram account is called M4RCUS and use should include it for the intro

    • @marcusmemelord5589
      @marcusmemelord5589 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      I don't know how to tag so this is my only option

  • @Pachinko355
    @Pachinko355 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    It might not have fit aesthetically with the way the rest of the series panned out, but I absolutely love the art style that DBZ season 1 had. It was so unique, rounded, and it felt detailed but not to the point of comedy.

  • @johnmonty7077
    @johnmonty7077 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I like it, you see the characters aging and getting older / bigger as time changes

  • @kingspiffy_6mg520
    @kingspiffy_6mg520 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    I miss the old art style like Saiyan saga style

    • @solidshot6600
      @solidshot6600 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Yeah is was really slick especially vegeta

    • @kingspiffy_6mg520
      @kingspiffy_6mg520 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      @@solidshot6600 especially vegeta 🔥🔥🔥my favorite character your definitely right

    • @totothedrifter
      @totothedrifter หลายเดือนก่อน

      Goku looked stronger tbh bro got muscles for days

  • @nerzenjaeger
    @nerzenjaeger 2 ปีที่แล้ว +14

    I vastly prefer the "square" style Toriyama adapted later on, even though I fell in love with the manga in the first 10 volumes, where it much more resembled Dr. Slump's style.

  • @GroundOne
    @GroundOne 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    great video man, thanks

  • @ZERARCHIVE2023
    @ZERARCHIVE2023 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    It gave some "realism" to this anime.
    Starting young and fresh to buffed up and nice looking, powerfull like hell

  • @fuckyoutubehandles1
    @fuckyoutubehandles1 2 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    Lmao, that Stan edit did not go unappreciated. Funny ass shit.

  • @redhood9949
    @redhood9949 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    love your vids man