@@upperechelon3456 Like Worf said the Breen were likely a warrior race but concealed themselves for tactical purposes, this was about a dishonourable as it gets and a pure fit of rage from the founder.
The founder just orders her enemies to be executed without bothering to haul them in front of her for a gloating villain speech. She's clearly read her Evil Overlord list and applied it.
@@Gothic7876 the battle is lost, the war is lost. She knows that. this is about making a pile of dead so high there is no winner. Not the Cardassians, not the Federation, not the Klingons, not the Romulans, not the Breen, not the Dominion. If she had the resources to trigger a Supernova the second the allied fleet dropped out of warp, she would.
See, this is how you subvert expectations in a series. I have to say I didn't expect total genocide when I first watched, even from her, but it makes sense for the character.
It definitely shouldn't come as a surprise, I mean, Founders see themselves as gods, exterminating a whole race is all in a day's work for people like her.
“They’re all dead. You’re dead. Cardassia is dead. You’re people were doomed the moment they attacked us!” She did warn us of Cardassia’s fate after Tain tried to destroy The Founders’ home world
@@granudisimo I don't think they ever saw themselves as gods. They were simply doing what was in their nature: what you control cannot hurt you. They engineered the jem'hadar and vorta to see them as gods, that way, they will never turn on them.
The Founders operated out of a sense of intense racial insecurity, believing - irrationally - that other species, unless completely controlled, would one day hurt them. It is out of this persistent neuroticism that they irrationally decided that defiance is worthy of a planet-wide and unending plague, and betrayal is worthy of genocide. The Founders saw all encounters through the lens of their persecuted ancestors, so that, even at the height of their power, mercilessly bludgeoning peaceful neighbors appears, to them, to be justified self-defense. The stories of their persecuted ancestors also came off as hollow, as if their collective consciousness reinvented their past to justify their actions.
I don't think it was a ruthless factor Weyoun had no problem with the order of execution of countless Cardassians it was Weyoun's suggestion to destroy Lakarian City and afterward claim they would destroy another city for Every Act of sabotage. Weyoun seemed more physically shocked by the difficulty of the logistics of planetary genocide and how difficult it would be to carry it out.
@@Silverswitch1Weyoun was also promised control of Earth. His suggestion was to eradicate its population to prevent any organized resistance. Gul Duka was the one against that idea. Also when Gul Duka hallucinates imagines Weyoun. Weyoun says that the Dominion would have long ago destroyed Bajor. Gul Duka was the main villain of the story and he was less evil than the founders. Weyoun has no ability to understand right from wrong and just simply does what the founders want. This was a person who would order people to be executed without a second thought, who would send countless Cardassians to die of pointless battle. didn't understand why the Federation would spend time looking for its missing people. give away Cardassian territory to the Breen. the only Weyoun that had any ability to understand right from wrong with the defective clone, Weyoun 6
@@tompearce5418The Dominion's idea of first contact involved mass murder and practically laughing about it. I don't think this was their first genocide rodeo.
The Breen Leader went back to his ship after this scene. He told the Founder that his men need him to help fight off the approaching Federation, Klingon, and Romulan fleet. This was probably an excuse to avoid either being killed by The Founder after hearing her say she wants the Cardassian exterminated (This seems to show that the Breen may be xenophobic but they are not genocidal.) or being captured by Kira, Garak.
The first time the four great powers of the Alpha Quadrant - the Federation, the Klingons, the Romulans and the Cardassians - have ever worked together. A glorious moment.
@@unc0mm0n2 no at this point in time they are still considered one of the 4 powers, its after the war that all of them excluding the Federation drop in power projection.
@@unc0mm0n2 they are officially considered on there tier although I honestly don’t know why. I mean the Breen are definitely stronger than them and there always ignored in the balance of power. Maybe its was never actually a definitive ranking but rather powers that threaten the federation which would make the Cardassians one of them and the Breen not one of them. After the Dominion war the Cardassians are basically non existent however.
The only thing this scene needed was to have the Cardassian Fleet commander chime in at the end. "Our people are being slaughtered, we are going to Cardassia, with or without you".
Yeah, I would have loved to see Gul Evek (a nice bookend for the series) or Gul Madred one last time, commanding the Cardassian fleet as they switched sides.
@@sephservant There's no way Madred would be commanding part of the fleet, he's in the intelligence and interrogation game. He might've even been killed with the Obsidian Order attack on the gamma quadrant. But Evek would've been cool.
@@ComradePhoenix Haha. Maybe he was demoted because for the first few years of the war, everytime they received orders from the Gul in Command, all he could hear was a strange buzzing noise...
Damar says just the right thing to the Cardassian who saved them. It was a perfect way to thank him and be the source of inspiration needed for that moment.
What I love about the Cardassian fleet turning is that it doesn't just happen because of one city being destroyed, that was just the final straw -- it was Damar that started it all. It caused even the military that stayed loyal to the Dominion at least on the surface to start questioning, and then little by little their opposition grew as the Dominion started becoming more and more oppressive in response to Damar's group.
Throughout the war the Dominion was upgrading the subpar systems of the Cardassian fleet with better power plants, shields, and weapons. BOY did it bite them in the ass 🤣
Before the federation started to upgrade its ships to defend against the Borg, it seems to me that the cardassians had the advantage in raw power. They just couldn’t keep up as their empire was in decline.
The Cardassians made up for their inferior tech with good tactics notice how the Cardassians all throughout the show keep their ships in tight formations ready to support one another not to mention their intelligence gathering would give them an edge in combat.They'd prob have intel on enemy fleet deployments and supply line, ship weak spots etc.
The Cardassians upgraded their ships. Dominion tech allowed them to solve a few problems. In an earlier episode, the one in which Kor dies a glorious death, we see Galor Class Cruisers one-shot kill Klingon BoPs. In "Sacrifice of Angels" we see that even their secondary disruptors are much stronger as they are easily destroying Federation fighters with a single shot when before the War they had to hit a Maquis fighter several times to destroy them. Their primary Spiral Wave Disruptor cannon is by the mid-point of the War equivalent of a Type XII heavy phaser found on starbases like DS9 and on the Sovereign Class.
The Breen certainly had interesting time in this war. Join the war, attack earth, nearly win the war, allies turn on you almost immediately, other allies turn on them, war ends.
I've always wanted some kind of Post-Dominion war thing to honor the Cardassians... they nearly escaped genocide... and no mention in Stark Trek Voyager or Nemesis or Star Trek Picard
@@specialnewb9821 They very likely did, so would Bajor and even the Klingons do in the 25th. Sounds like with the Federation controlling almost all of the Beta and Alpah Quadrants in the following centuries, I wonder if they would ever control all four?
BROCA: Wait! You're making a terrible mistake! I've done everything you've asked! I tell you I'm loyal! I believe in The Dominion! No! Wait! I've got five kids to feed! Noooooooo....!!! FOUNDER: Tell that to Kuato.
The irony is, he was right. The Founder was making a mistake by having him executed and by having the Cardassians eliminated. Had they not hauled him out to be executed, Damar and co. wouldn't have been able to get in. If she hadn't ordered the extermination, there would have been enough guards to repel the attack. Her downfall was the result of her own actions.
Not necessarily. In the end, she and the Founders won because they got Odo to go back voluntarily. Originally she mentioned trading the entire alpha quadrant if it meant just getting Odo to go back to the great link. If Damar's assault team didn't get the opportunity to get into the compound, that outcome may never have happened.
Kira was hard core like that. A friend of mine was in a writing class in college. She asked the professor for ideas on strong female characters. He said watch DS9 and look at Major Kira.
A true victory is to make your enemy realize they were wrong to oppose you in the first place.....to FORCE THEM to acknowledge your greatness (and then you kill them.......only if its necessary). The founder knew how to play the game.
Honestly, it doesn't surprise me that they would go for the complete and total obliteration of the Cardassians. Came to the conclusion when she told Garak "Cardassia is dead." They probably intended for the extermination of the cardassians once the war was over, and turning the planet into a new great link in the Alpha Quadrant. Who knows how many planets they cleansed and razed before they inhabited them.
Actually she told Garak her plans years before. The Cardassians struck the 1st blow and she told him he was dead and cardassia was dead from the moment they attached the founder homeworld.
They stopped their warlike nature and were not allowed to field a military for years. In that time, the Breen became known for making quality civilian starships and viewscreens. They also became renowned for creating a form of holosuite entertainment known in the Federation as Breenamation and was later shortened to Breenime once it became really popular among teens all across the quadrant.
I could see something like this happening in France in WW2... like a few days after D-Day, some French soldiers in the Wermacht hear about the Oradour-sur-Glane Massacre, and turned on the Germans... neat to think about.
I'd be more worried serving on an Akira class or a Klingon Bird of Prey. Operation Return: 3 Mirandas, 1 Steamrunner, 3 Birds of Prey Chin'toka: 1 Miranda, 2 Excelsiors, 2 Akiras, 3 Birds of Prey, 2 Romulan Warbirds, 3 Vor'chas. Chin'toka: well the entire fleet. Cardassia: too many repeat scenes.
I always wondered how things would have gone if Weyoun was in charge instead of the female changeling. He was smart, logical, even tempered, but ruthless when needed. She was short tempered and impulsive, which is what cost them in the end. I think that Weyoun could have won it for them.
The scene where they took the Cardassian away reminds me of a scene in the movie V from 1982 where a Human sympathizer got dragged away so he could serve as dinner.
Ronnie Cox, who played Captain Jellico in TNG was also in 'Total Recall', as was the actress who played Ensign Sonya Gomez on TNG (woman with 3 breasts) .
I wonder if Weyoun's statement that it would take time was the only thing he could say to potentially get her to reconsider that wouldn't get him immediately killed.
My guess is they’re normal humanoid but wear the suits due to a xenophobic and isolationist mentality that keeps them motivated to limit any and all information from reaching their people and vice versa
Anyone else thinking that with the Founder unable to give orders to the Dominion fleet, Odo could have just come in here and order the Vorta and Jem'Hadar to stop and they'd have obeyed with grovelling comments of "Yes Founder."
It's a little unclear if they were both firing or just the one. (The first one may have turned to prepare to fire again while the second one joined in a little more quickly, but was obscured.) I like to assume he was joining in, so the Jem'hadar was just like "crap, traitorous Cardies" and shot the guy closer to him as fast as possible.
Notice how the Breen commander sharply turned his head towards the Founder when she ordered the genocide. He then kept glancing sharply between Weyoun and the Founder as they discussed it as his body posture tensed. It was pretty obvious what was going through his head: "Wait, what? If they're willing to do that to the Cardassians, would the Dominion also do that to US?!"
I was surprised she had them fire on the cities. It seems inefficient. I’d think think they’d have a bioweapon or fast spreading virus at hand. Something that would exterminate them all
The word psychopath gets thrown around a lot as a catch all term for very bad behavior. The reality is evil is banal and they have found that perfectly normal people can do the most insanely wicked things in the right circumstances eg unlimited power. In actual fact psychopathy is a particular personality disorder the changeling here shows love for Odo, psychopaths don't typically do that.
@@Parasmunt Yes, in the way that a supremacist expresses "love" for their own kind. I agree that by changeling standards, genocide of 'solids' is perfectly normal behavior. Odo is the weird one, having not been socialized in their 'great link' as a child.
Why did the third Jem’Hadar not shoot at the the Cardassian who was doing the shooting? Also why did the heroic Cardassian pause after shooting the first two?
What is the saying? It is NOT good to be famous on a battlefield. To many want your death. In this case it actually does work. The Cardassians form up on the Defiant a famous ship in the quadrant at this point. Effective creating a new and massive formation from nothing entirely at The Sisco's command. "Come about and head for the center of their lines..".
So I'm writing fics about the Dominion war about the Icarus squadron. They're peregrine pilots, basically. During this time they were wrecking havoc behind dominion lines in the air on Cardassia, then the Cardassians starts to defect. So when the extermination order came, they tried to intercept MIRVs, but there's too many. Then the Dominion deployed experimental fighter drones to take them down, which ends in Heads, Icarus 1 pilot, taking the drones head on, pulling Gs after Gs so much so that Icarus 1 WSO, Tails, gets G-LOCed.
"I want the --- exterminated!"
I have a strong feeling that a Founder has given that order many, many times before in the Dominion's history.
And the Breen's body language was like...What the F%$@k.
Quite possibly. Or maybe there haven’t been many, whether it’s fear based on past eradications or because few have rebelled as strongly as Cardassia.
@@upperechelon3456 Like Worf said the Breen were likely a warrior race but concealed themselves for tactical purposes, this was about a dishonourable as it gets and a pure fit of rage from the founder.
"Shall I have them brought here?"
"What for?"
The founder is NOT a Bond villain.
The founder just orders her enemies to be executed without bothering to haul them in front of her for a gloating villain speech. She's clearly read her Evil Overlord list and applied it.
Not really. She is dividing her forces at a crucial moment. She should of waited till the battle was won before ordering the execution.
@@Gothic7876 the battle is lost, the war is lost. She knows that. this is about making a pile of dead so high there is no winner. Not the Cardassians, not the Federation, not the Klingons, not the Romulans, not the Breen, not the Dominion. If she had the resources to trigger a Supernova the second the allied fleet dropped out of warp, she would.
“They’re dead. You’re dead. Cardassia is dead. Your people were doomed the moment they attacked us.”
She kept her word
Not really but Garak kept his unspoken word
@@hallowed000 It was spoken, to his father when he was dying
@@Fatalitix3 thx I must have forgotten that
See, this is how you subvert expectations in a series. I have to say I didn't expect total genocide when I first watched, even from her, but it makes sense for the character.
It definitely shouldn't come as a surprise, I mean, Founders see themselves as gods, exterminating a whole race is all in a day's work for people like her.
she simply honored what she said to Garak a few years back mentioning Cardassia is dead.
“They’re all dead. You’re dead. Cardassia is dead. You’re people were doomed the moment they attacked us!” She did warn us of Cardassia’s fate after Tain tried to destroy The Founders’ home world
@@granudisimo I don't think they ever saw themselves as gods. They were simply doing what was in their nature: what you control cannot hurt you. They engineered the jem'hadar and vorta to see them as gods, that way, they will never turn on them.
The Founders operated out of a sense of intense racial insecurity, believing - irrationally - that other species, unless completely controlled, would one day hurt them. It is out of this persistent neuroticism that they irrationally decided that defiance is worthy of a planet-wide and unending plague, and betrayal is worthy of genocide. The Founders saw all encounters through the lens of their persecuted ancestors, so that, even at the height of their power, mercilessly bludgeoning peaceful neighbors appears, to them, to be justified self-defense. The stories of their persecuted ancestors also came off as hollow, as if their collective consciousness reinvented their past to justify their actions.
I liked how despite his thorough familiarity with how ruthless the Dominion was, the planetary execution order brought even Weyoun up short.
I don't think it was a ruthless factor Weyoun had no problem with the order of execution of countless Cardassians it was Weyoun's suggestion to destroy Lakarian City and afterward claim they would destroy another city for Every Act of sabotage. Weyoun seemed more physically shocked by the difficulty of the logistics of planetary genocide and how difficult it would be to carry it out.
@@damirbabic8168 Weyoun was promised control of Cardassia so he doesn’t want it destroyed.
@@Silverswitch1Weyoun was also promised control of Earth. His suggestion was to eradicate its population to prevent any organized resistance. Gul Duka was the one against that idea. Also when Gul Duka hallucinates imagines Weyoun. Weyoun says that the Dominion would have long ago destroyed Bajor. Gul Duka was the main villain of the story and he was less evil than the founders. Weyoun has no ability to understand right from wrong and just simply does what the founders want. This was a person who would order people to be executed without a second thought, who would send countless Cardassians to die of pointless battle. didn't understand why the Federation would spend time looking for its missing people. give away Cardassian territory to the Breen. the only Weyoun that had any ability to understand right from wrong with the defective clone, Weyoun 6
That, or the Dominion had rarely commited genocide until the current war. They probably didn't have to.
@@tompearce5418The Dominion's idea of first contact involved mass murder and practically laughing about it. I don't think this was their first genocide rodeo.
Founder: Exterminate the entire Cardassian population.
The Breen behind her: Wait, what?.....Are we the baddies?
Breen: "I'm starting to think we backed the wrong horse..."
He’s thinking “Oh shit, I hope the Breen don’t rebel!!”
@@SirCraigius It's okay. The Breen well into a wormhole and became Swedish meatballs in the Babylon 5 universe.
The Breen Leader went back to his ship after this scene. He told the Founder that his men need him to help fight off the approaching Federation, Klingon, and Romulan fleet. This was probably an excuse to avoid either being killed by The Founder after hearing her say she wants the Cardassian exterminated (This seems to show that the Breen may be xenophobic but they are not genocidal.) or being captured by Kira, Garak.
Maybe he thoight they could be next.
The first time the four great powers of the Alpha Quadrant - the Federation, the Klingons, the Romulans and the Cardassians - have ever worked together.
A glorious moment.
The 3 powers. Cardassians are like the Breen or tholians or Ferengi. Second tier powers at best.
@@unc0mm0n2 no at this point in time they are still considered one of the 4 powers, its after the war that all of them excluding the Federation drop in power projection.
.........and some died with honor 💯💯💯
@@unc0mm0n2 they are officially considered on there tier although I honestly don’t know why. I mean the Breen are definitely stronger than them and there always ignored in the balance of power. Maybe its was never actually a definitive ranking but rather powers that threaten the federation which would make the Cardassians one of them and the Breen not one of them. After the Dominion war the Cardassians are basically non existent however.
Or as they call it on Sesame Street, COOPERATION!! :D
4:15 Considering this is nearly 20 years old, the VFX hold up exceptionally well.
Even some of the FX from 1980s TNG holds up really well
The only thing this scene needed was to have the Cardassian Fleet commander chime in at the end. "Our people are being slaughtered, we are going to Cardassia, with or without you".
Yeah the lack of a Cardassian fleet commander in the communications was a real missed opportunity.
Yeah, I would have loved to see Gul Evek (a nice bookend for the series) or Gul Madred one last time, commanding the Cardassian fleet as they switched sides.
@@sephservant There's no way Madred would be commanding part of the fleet, he's in the intelligence and interrogation game. He might've even been killed with the Obsidian Order attack on the gamma quadrant. But Evek would've been cool.
@@antourte1 The real throwback would've been Gul Macet.
@@ComradePhoenix Haha. Maybe he was demoted because for the first few years of the war, everytime they received orders from the Gul in Command, all he could hear was a strange buzzing noise...
0:48 Funnily enough, “How disappointing” are PERFECT final words for Garak.
"That was for Lakarian City." What a great moment.
Omg the Breen’s reaction when she gives the extermination order ..like oh shit!
Haha yeah I saw that head twitch. "Well this is a new development."
I like to believe that’s when the Breen told his troops: “we are getting out of here, wait for it” lol
That’s what they did in the books.
hehe I've watched this scene countless times but never picked up on that!
@@Wicked_Sushi It’s the little head twitch and he looks at Weyoun. He realises who the Breen have actually allied with.
@@rowlandbuck2703If that's canon, then it means the Dominion were abandoned by both Alpha Quadrant allies.
Damar says just the right thing to the Cardassian who saved them. It was a perfect way to thank him and be the source of inspiration needed for that moment.
Natural born leader who spent most of his life as a follower.
@@jerodast - That speech that Dukat gave Damar brought the leader out of him.
The response ‘that will take some time’ is so chilling
Weyoun 8 was cold
What I love about the Cardassian fleet turning is that it doesn't just happen because of one city being destroyed, that was just the final straw -- it was Damar that started it all. It caused even the military that stayed loyal to the Dominion at least on the surface to start questioning, and then little by little their opposition grew as the Dominion started becoming more and more oppressive in response to Damar's group.
The crew of that Miranda class must've been like: "That was a close call."
"I tell you I'm loyal! I believe in the Dominion! Wait! No! Wait!"
"I won't miss him..."
LOL always thought that was funny.
Broca: Me? Betray you? Never! I have four kids to feed!
Weyoun: So what happened to number five?
Broca: Aw, sheeeit, man! You got me. I'm not even married.
@@Jarumo76Well done! Few people would recognise him from the original Arnold Schwarzenegger film Total Recall.
Damar: Start the reactor. Free Cardassia
Oh wow! I recognized the voice, but couldn't place him. Total recall. I got five kids to feed. Arnold: take them to the dentist.
Wow. I'm typically good about catching who's under the makeup but damn, never caught this one. Hahah thanks. Can't watch these episodes the same now 😂
The female changeling channels her inner Freeza and orders a total unadulterated genocide of Namek...I mean Cardassia
How can one show have so many based villains?
Kira with her head high while awaiting execution. One of the most fearless characters in the ST franchise. Love her!
1:00 Kira tries to troll Garak with upside-down rifle but he doesn't fall for it.
Haha that's a great detail
"I won't miss him."
I love despite endless scenes of showing Cardassian ships as weak, they suddenly now start to kick ass and save the entire Allied fleet.
Throughout the war the Dominion was upgrading the subpar systems of the Cardassian fleet with better power plants, shields, and weapons.
BOY did it bite them in the ass 🤣
On top of that the cardasians know the weaknesses of the dominion ships.
Before the federation started to upgrade its ships to defend against the Borg, it seems to me that the cardassians had the advantage in raw power. They just couldn’t keep up as their empire was in decline.
The Cardassians made up for their inferior tech with good tactics notice how the Cardassians all throughout the show keep their ships in tight formations ready to support one another not to mention their intelligence gathering would give them an edge in combat.They'd prob have intel on enemy fleet deployments and supply line, ship weak spots etc.
The Cardassians upgraded their ships. Dominion tech allowed them to solve a few problems. In an earlier episode, the one in which Kor dies a glorious death, we see Galor Class Cruisers one-shot kill Klingon BoPs. In "Sacrifice of Angels" we see that even their secondary disruptors are much stronger as they are easily destroying Federation fighters with a single shot when before the War they had to hit a Maquis fighter several times to destroy them. Their primary Spiral Wave Disruptor cannon is by the mid-point of the War equivalent of a Type XII heavy phaser found on starbases like DS9 and on the Sovereign Class.
That little Breen head movement at 401 is so funny to me!
Exactly, even that Breen was "wait, what?".
In that brief moment, he realized this whole alliance with the Dominion was probably a huge mistake
The Breen certainly had interesting time in this war. Join the war, attack earth, nearly win the war, allies turn on you almost immediately, other allies turn on them, war ends.
As far as I know, the breen were the only enemies ever that were successful in breaching earths defenses.
@@rotyler2177 And the Borg
Iv always loved the cardassian ship design
4:04 This is about as close as we get to seeing a Breen surprised, that quick look between them when the founder orders a full genocide.
Best writing in Star Trek. The whole damned series.
The Cardassian fleet switching sides...
...about time.
Funny that ..I thought the same thing years ago.
I've always wanted some kind of Post-Dominion war thing to honor the Cardassians... they nearly escaped genocide... and no mention in Stark Trek Voyager or Nemesis or Star Trek Picard
Me too. But, the Cardassians did not escape genocide, they had over 800 million dead.
Probably because the Cardassians had been so destroyed by the Dominion War they forever were educed to being irrelevant.
I always assumed they joined the Federation.
@@nicholai40 True, millions dead & billions suffered by the hands of the Dominion.
@@specialnewb9821 They very likely did, so would Bajor and even the Klingons do in the 25th. Sounds like with the Federation controlling almost all of the Beta and Alpah Quadrants in the following centuries, I wonder if they would ever control all four?
BROCA: Wait! You're making a terrible mistake! I've done everything you've asked! I tell you I'm loyal! I believe in The Dominion! No! Wait! I've got five kids to feed! Noooooooo....!!!
FOUNDER: Tell that to Kuato.
Hilarious!🤣🤣🤣
The irony is, he was right. The Founder was making a mistake by having him executed and by having the Cardassians eliminated. Had they not hauled him out to be executed, Damar and co. wouldn't have been able to get in. If she hadn't ordered the extermination, there would have been enough guards to repel the attack. Her downfall was the result of her own actions.
Not necessarily. In the end, she and the Founders won because they got Odo to go back voluntarily. Originally she mentioned trading the entire alpha quadrant if it meant just getting Odo to go back to the great link. If Damar's assault team didn't get the opportunity to get into the compound, that outcome may never have happened.
They were mean to kill Broca... he had FIVE kids to feed
Was he Benny in TR?
@@adamdaunais5403 yeah, that's him.
I thought it was four.
"Shit man ya got me, I ain't even married"
He's gonna get typecast as a traitor.
0:52 Love that little head tilt Kira does. Like, "Go ahead, shoot. I'm ready." No fear whatsoever.
To die for a noble cause, standing proud...
Kira was hard core like that. A friend of mine was in a writing class in college. She asked the professor for ideas on strong female characters. He said watch DS9 and look at Major Kira.
Being faced with the firing squad and still having the "just do it" face on. She's darn brave.
The Dominion tried to scare the Cardassians back in line, they only made them angry by feeding the fires of rebellion.
A true victory is to make your enemy realize they were wrong to oppose you in the first place.....to FORCE THEM to acknowledge your greatness (and then you kill them.......only if its necessary).
The founder knew how to play the game.
That what Dukat said to Weyoun to convince him not to wipe out Earth because the founders just straight out destroyed planets for opposing them.
@@Lilacgem-02 Yup. The Founders aren't egomaniacs like Dukat and most Cardassians, just a bad combination of extremely brutal and insecure.
Now all we need is for this scene to be converted to 4K ;-)
The teck is there it,s called AI upskaling 🖖
Honestly, it doesn't surprise me that they would go for the complete and total obliteration of the Cardassians. Came to the conclusion when she told Garak "Cardassia is dead." They probably intended for the extermination of the cardassians once the war was over, and turning the planet into a new great link in the Alpha Quadrant. Who knows how many planets they cleansed and razed before they inhabited them.
"Sir... The Cardassians... They're attacking the other Dominion ships."
"They switched sides."
Mel Johnson Jr. played Broca. The same guy who said he had 5 kids to feed.
He ain't even married...
Look at the extra from 2:18 - 2:40. It’s almost like he’s thinking “what the hell am I doing here?”
I could not stop laughing, good catch LOL!!!!!
The Founder had gone totally mad when she ordered the Cardassians exterminated.
Actually she told Garak her plans years before. The Cardassians struck the 1st blow and she told him he was dead and cardassia was dead from the moment they attached the founder homeworld.
She was suffering from a painful disease and bogged down in a war she'd expected to last a few weeks at most.
@@tompearce5418 So basically, she was dying and just wanted to take the rest of the Alpha Quadrant down with her? How petty.
@@samsticka That's exactly what she wanted. She says as much after she's captured. She felt she had nothing left to fight for but vengeance and death.
@@jerodast That just reinforces what I said about her being petty.
The most epic moments are when enemies team up to take on a greater foe. Probably will take something like this to reunify my country.
This countries greatest foe is its own govt. And the only people left not believe that are those who still virtue signal with their masks on.
I really wonder what kind of reparations the Breen had to pay for them losing the war.
Free snow cones for the Alpha and Beta Quadrants forever.
@@erentheca and functioning McDonald's Ice Cream Machines... Lol 🤣
They stopped their warlike nature and were not allowed to field a military for years. In that time, the Breen became known for making quality civilian starships and viewscreens. They also became renowned for creating a form of holosuite entertainment known in the Federation as Breenamation and was later shortened to Breenime once it became really popular among teens all across the quadrant.
@@Zero8880 This cracked me up, thank you :D
@@Zero8880 Americans make most former blood enemies besties years down the road.
Why stop in the 24th century? lol
I could see something like this happening in France in WW2... like a few days after D-Day, some French soldiers in the Wermacht hear about the Oradour-sur-Glane Massacre, and turned on the Germans... neat to think about.
What is truly striking is the development of Damar. He went from being a toady for Dukat to a true leader of his people.
@2:13
Let us all appreciate the fact that the Cardassian Galor-Class cruisers sound like WW2 bombers.
"With men like you on our side, how can we fail?"
The upside is Cardassia ans Bejor will be fiends forever. They will understand each other.
I think you mean friend not fiend. Lol
I doubt it, the bajorans may consider it poetic justice what happened to the cardassians
@Brad Grant They maybe more related as they close to each other. Remember most humanoids are related in star trek.
My Mother, The Fiend
@@B1izzardHawk Do I hear the wise words of General Martok in your voice :)
In that short moment when the cardassians switched sides i can only imagine how many breen and jemhadar ships they destroyed.
Nice reaction from the Breen Commander and Weyoun. They were shocked and realized, how evil the Founders can actually be.
4:15 luckiest Miranda ever XD
It actually did a pretty good evasive move.
I'd be more worried serving on an Akira class or a Klingon Bird of Prey.
Operation Return: 3 Mirandas, 1 Steamrunner, 3 Birds of Prey
Chin'toka: 1 Miranda, 2 Excelsiors, 2 Akiras, 3 Birds of Prey, 2 Romulan Warbirds, 3 Vor'chas.
Chin'toka: well the entire fleet.
Cardassia: too many repeat scenes.
I always wondered how things would have gone if Weyoun was in charge instead of the female changeling. He was smart, logical, even tempered, but ruthless when needed. She was short tempered and impulsive, which is what cost them in the end. I think that Weyoun could have won it for them.
The scene where they took the Cardassian away reminds me of a scene in the movie V from 1982 where a Human sympathizer got dragged away so he could serve as dinner.
THOT Gor's robotic and slow rotation at 4:07 like "okayyy maybe I shouldn't have inserted myself into this war" 😂
But I’ve done everything thing you’ve asked! I tell you, I am loyal! I beliiieeve un the Dominion! I’ve got fiiiive kids to feed!
Wait that's the same actor? I love Total Recall
@@Sean12248 Which is funny because the Gul Dukat actor plays the chief Martian security officer.
@@Damar158 I was watching tje original Total Recall last month and when the actor who plays Dukat spoke I knew instantly who it was
Ronnie Cox, who played Captain Jellico in TNG was also in 'Total Recall', as was the actress who played Ensign Sonya Gomez on TNG (woman with 3 breasts) .
@@Damar158 Marc Alaimo
At 3:04 that was the time to make a discreet exit.
heheh that silly Miranda class crew found themselves out in the wilderness being targeted by a Breen, but they swiftly flew back to safety
Even the extras with lines had some story telling
I knew the Kardashians were an industry plant … 😂😂😂😂
Poor Broca, he had five spoon headed kids to feed!
I love how the two Galor Class Cruisers form up on the Defiants port and starboard to give supporting fire.
I wonder if Weyoun's statement that it would take time was the only thing he could say to potentially get her to reconsider that wouldn't get him immediately killed.
My guess is the Breen are a solid-changling hybrid and their suits make it easier for them to keep solid form.
My guess is they’re normal humanoid but wear the suits due to a xenophobic and isolationist mentality that keeps them motivated to limit any and all information from reaching their people and vice versa
It's kind of out of character for a Cardassian to say "I tell you!"
Anyone else thinking that with the Founder unable to give orders to the Dominion fleet, Odo could have just come in here and order the Vorta and Jem'Hadar to stop and they'd have obeyed with grovelling comments of "Yes Founder."
You know...It's not what we say in Church, "Thank God for the Cardassians" haha
The only Star trek that had epic ship battles😊
At the beginning of the series I hated the Cardassians too.. by the end they became one of my favorite factions.
@3:39. The moment Tim Scott realized that his beloved party doesn’t really like him.
"The entire population" chilling. The Dominion was one of the most chilling foes besides the Borg the Federation or Cardassia has ever faced.
Did anyone else notice that the Jem'hadar shot the wrong Cardassian?
It's a little unclear if they were both firing or just the one. (The first one may have turned to prepare to fire again while the second one joined in a little more quickly, but was obscured.) I like to assume he was joining in, so the Jem'hadar was just like "crap, traitorous Cardies" and shot the guy closer to him as fast as possible.
The Admiral during this time was useless. It always seemed like Capt. Sisko was more in command than the Admiral was.
Notice how the Breen commander sharply turned his head towards the Founder when she ordered the genocide. He then kept glancing sharply between Weyoun and the Founder as they discussed it as his body posture tensed. It was pretty obvious what was going through his head: "Wait, what? If they're willing to do that to the Cardassians, would the Dominion also do that to US?!"
@2:22 lol the extra behind Odo
Yeah, but still, egg prices were a little bit lower under the Dominion. All hail The Founders!
0:51/2:11 _"Execute Order 66."_
3:58 _"Wipe them out, all of them."_
The enemy of my enemy is my friend…
The Day is ours
Woulda been neat for Gul Evek* to pop on the view screen saying their switching sides
You destroyed a Cardassian City and you don’t expect the Cardassians to turn against you!
Kira was poised and ready to die -- not her first time i bet
I was surprised she had them fire on the cities. It seems inefficient. I’d think think they’d have a bioweapon or fast spreading virus at hand. Something that would exterminate them all
I to watch Star Trek DS9 episode on television on H & I.☺️🖖
You destroyed a Casdassian City and you didn't think the Cardassian fleet wouldn't turn against you.
I declare exterminatus on Cardassia Prime!
Peak psychopathy.
The word psychopath gets thrown around a lot as a catch all term for very bad behavior. The reality is evil is banal and they have found that perfectly normal people can do the most insanely wicked things in the right circumstances eg unlimited power. In actual fact psychopathy is a particular personality disorder the changeling here shows love for Odo, psychopaths don't typically do that.
@@Parasmunt Yes, in the way that a supremacist expresses "love" for their own kind.
I agree that by changeling standards, genocide of 'solids' is perfectly normal behavior. Odo is the weird one, having not been socialized in their 'great link' as a child.
Why did the third Jem’Hadar not shoot at the the Cardassian who was doing the shooting? Also why did the heroic Cardassian pause after shooting the first two?
0:44 🤣🤣🤣
Only Star Trek employs young ensigns to pilot their most powerful ships. Let’s put any kid at the helm.
What is the saying? It is NOT good to be famous on a battlefield. To many want your death.
In this case it actually does work. The Cardassians form up on the Defiant a famous ship in the quadrant at this point. Effective creating a new and massive formation from nothing entirely at The Sisco's command. "Come about and head for the center of their lines..".
3:07 what's race id that's dude?
Breen
He's a Breen. They were a late arrival to the war
What are the breen saying?
Why would it take so long? Sisko was willing to poison entire planetary atmospheres to target one person so why not them?
I though they meant Kardasians
The one Cardassian soldier getting killed after they killed the first 2 Jem Hadar always bugged be. Not very realistic imho
So I'm writing fics about the Dominion war about the Icarus squadron. They're peregrine pilots, basically.
During this time they were wrecking havoc behind dominion lines in the air on Cardassia, then the Cardassians starts to defect. So when the extermination order came, they tried to intercept MIRVs, but there's too many. Then the Dominion deployed experimental fighter drones to take them down, which ends in Heads, Icarus 1 pilot, taking the drones head on, pulling Gs after Gs so much so that Icarus 1 WSO, Tails, gets G-LOCed.
For California! It will be the chant in the coming months!
"i want the kardashians exterminated. all of them"
an understandable sentiment, founde- what? ...what do you mean, thats not what she said?