You also have to keep in mind that back then the 1080 Ti had just released at $699 and the GTX 1080 had released a year prior at $599. So, not only was it $1,550 in today's money, it was also as much as two 1080s and nearly as much as two 1080 Ti. Which were technically both top-tier GPUs, while the Titan was a pinnacle GPU meant for nothing more than flexing. It was truly crazy back then.
@@mjdevlog No, the most egregious was the 2080 Ti Founders Edition dropping at $1,199. It came out a year after the $699 1080 Ti and was somehow $500 more for the same class of GPU.
1200 in 1995 got you a printer. 1200 in 2005 got you a high performance PC. 1200 in 2017 gave you the high performance GPU. 1200 today gives you only 2/3 of the most high performance GPU. Prices are insane.
For 1200, I got an entire laptop with a processor and gpu, RAM and SSD thousands of times better than what those same 1200 could get you in 1995, and even some of the 2000s. So it's only fair to look at the whole spectrum.
minimum wage in the UK was £3/hr in 1999 and not only was that deemed acceptable as a baseline, you could live off that, more or less. now in 2024 we have nearly £12/hr minimum and it's not even close to enough. I wish things in general but especially cool stuff like tech and such were still affordable. Would be awesome.
Got a 4070 today, upgrading from a 1070 ti. Been running games at 1440p with the old beast for a while now but I couldn't get those sweet 144 FPS to max out my monitor, this generation was definitely insane.
I had 1060 6gb ROG Strix OC and i got 3060 ti on I7 870 1st gen 2.9 @3.8ghz OC. SSD Sata III 500gb , 16gb DDR3 1600mhz 750w psu.. i play all on ULTRA / high 60 FPS 1080p. this is 2009 year CPU still capable in 2024.. 4c 8t
I've said it before when it comes to GPUs on PCs and I'll say it again. If you strictly buy a very high end graphics card your just a beta tester for the mid to lower mid range market in less than a decade! Buy at least mid to upper mid range and I don't wanna hear I'm future proofing! Right that's we now have ray tracing and much better display ports along with new ports? Yeah ,so much for that future proofing!
@@astrikos4011 can confirm. But I went from 75Hz to 165Hz recently and oh my god, what a difference. I decided to try 75Hz again and it was PAINFUL, and 30FPS looks like a literal PowerPoint presentation. I cannot play on consoles anymore.
I remember when I use to think the Titan was some sort of otherwordly GPU that no common mortal could own, that is was synonymous of power, it was a rare word only few would utter
@@icenote1591 $200 or so, flagship models plummet to 200 after 5 years and then bleed down to $50-100 after 10+ years which is where they will stay until the last one is gone
Honestly the best GPU gen ever released by Nvidia. The 1080 ti was an insanely good deal, 700$/€ for that much performance was just incredible. After that the prices just escalated...
Best when factoring in price for sure. Otherwise it has to go to the current gen, 4090 represented a meteoric performance boost beyond that of the 1080Ti
@@mauree1618 Unfortunately, yeah. Bear with me for the long comment: The strangehold that NVIDIA has due to them technically having better performing cards than AMD at the high end for CUDA compute tasks is basically making them get away with making the GPU market be terrible. And AMD isn't really in the capacity to take over compute any time soon even with the supposed improvements with ROCm/HIP given how fragmented their support for compute is to begin with even if CUDA wasn't dominant (the RX 5000 series is mostly left dead on the water compared to the RX 6000 and 7000 series; and the 7000 series has some better stuff than the 6000 series for no real reason). Not to mention both NVIDIA and AMD have nerfed bandwidth capabilities for the GPUs that have been put on the entry level/1080p category. Like the atrocious 64-bit bus for the GTX 1630 and RX 6500 XT on top of being terrible GPUs is already obvious. But even the well renowned cards like the RX 6600 XT have been critiqued to be limited in bandwidth for no reason other than saving costs for production: the RX 6600 XT has a 128-bit bus compared to the RX 5700 XT that has a 256-bit bus, which matters because the gap in performance with how better the RX 6600 XT is is not that wide compared to the RX 5700 XT, when it could be even wider for more games if the bus width hadn't been stifled to be halved essentially.
@@mauree1618 The RX 7900 XTX offers the same amount of VRAM as a 4090, for half the price. While the ecosystem is generally better for ML on Nvidia cards, removing such essential features weakens their position in this field. Many ML folks would have happily added a second 4090 to their Workstation.
How did you set up the environment for OpenCL programming? Also, what kind of training materials did you use? I tried to pick up OpenCL a few years ago, and the most up-to-date textbook was "Heterogeneous Computing with OpenCL 2.0", which is a book published in 2015. OCL_SDK_Light was the sdk.
@@mauree1618 And, the RTX 4060 16gb's bandwidth limitation cripples the performance. It is only good for launching larger models, but the token/second rate is poor. It is considered a good card for some use cases, but not for speed.
"2017 was also the first year I built my first PC" absolutely blows my mind. The generational gap is real - I built my first PC in 1996. Thanks for making me feel old, mang.
Me too! My first PC that built with my own hands (a CYRIX 686 100Mhz) with windows 95 messing with my mind cos I was used to MS-DOS back then! Talkin'about feelin' old :p (I was 12 at that time)
@@mikemmxp I built my first rig in 2003 with an Athlon XP 2000+, and that wasn't even the fastest available at the time. Kinda miss the clockspeed wars lol.
I remember TotalBiscuit mentioning how a game a long time ago, was so poorly unoptimized that his own rig with the Titan was having trouble. Times have changed...
@Micromation Nowadays we get a lot more unoptimized games but they don't run that badly. Having a game run so badly even on the best possible hardware can't run it is impressive in some way. The devs went oh well looks like everyone who wants to play the game will have to wait for better hardware. You might be able to pull that shit with games like Crysis which at lower settings looked like a completely different game and ran much better. As far as I remember the game TB was testing didn't even look good. This must mean the devs didn't even enable the most basic optimization like only rendering what's visible on screen.
@@teslawpmaybe I'm blind, but I don't see any morphing, it just cuts to some hard to describe 'fast-paced footage" that fits the vibe (second cut is zipping through some car parking?)
I've been rocking a "gold sample" Titan Xp since 2017 until I upgraded to a 4080 Super this year and I've been very, very happy with how much mileage I got out the card.
This man just cannot stop making movies, even when he's making a 6-7 minute video. Also, something that I'm wondering about, I remember you said in your last setup review vid that you're going to try a split keyboard. Any updates on that topic?
2017 feels like last week, time after 2020 went lightspeed quickly, gta 6 trailer was 6-7 months ago already and I swear I watched it at the video release date and it was yesterday
My conclusion, the world is changing so much that our brains stopping fully comprehend the changes (social media addiction, singularity from the technological stand point is near) it's feels like our brains processing the data so fast that we're not able to "live" in the moment, but in reality the opposite it's happening, our brains create the time frame gaps as it's have hard time to comprehend what's is going on around us which feelis like a void, losing part of memory from specific time frame.
can't really tell. those oldies are not covered by warranty, there is a high chance it gonna be damaged by delivery,, you can't really check it in person for flaw, potential issues
And if people start doing that, that's pretty stupid because of driver support. Driver support will eventually end for newer games and then they're going to be SOL and bought an old card because of a TH-cam video 🤣
@@302efi maxwells drivers are still supported let alone pascal if youre talking about games launching there are currently zero that dont launch on the titan xp by the time a game wont be able to run on the titan xp you wont have the performance to play that title on lowest at 1080p 60 fps plus even if you had a card with a newer architecture and had the same amount of raster performance also it wouldnt change the fact the fact you still get atleast 2 years of every brand new game being supported plus every single game ever made up to this point
It's amazing how much these cards depreciate, the 3090 for instance is like 1/3 the price already, can't imagine what the 50xx launch will do the 40xx prices.
Finally someone mentioned this GPU over the GTX 1080Ti, I got two of those and did an SLI with them! It's the most beautiful thing you can get with this power, matching the RTX 3090 for half the price...
Great analysis on the Titan XP's longevity and value for money, even now in 2024. Your reflections bring up some solid points as to why considering used GPUs might actually be worthwhile, especially for those on a tight budget.
i had 1080ti and was blown away by the performance ngl. I didnt see many people who had the titan but ofc ive seen few videos and it was insane back when it came out. The leap of performance that we had that generation was mindblowing.
the 100 watt power difference can make a big differance in europe. we had a phase in germany where 1kWh costed 54ct. so 100 watts more for the same performance is something to take in account
the 4060 still isn't the best option, as he said the 3070 is just plain better, checking second hand prices quickly in france, it is also only 190 euros. AMD's 6700XT is also a really option if you don't need CUDA
@@MV-ri7zu nvidia gpu's, especially the 40 series are A LOT better than their amd equivalent from an fps/watt point of view. they're not fairly priced, but saying amd is more efficient is a flat out lie
Very good quality of audio and video on all of your vids. Love the way you slowly put things on the surface with such care. Very nice to look at. Im writing this because i noticed that the audio sounds the same in every room you film at so crisp and clear
That's awesome I've had a 1080 and the performance is really good! The newer cards are so expensive its ridiculous and they depreciate so quickly. I sold my evga 3090 ti for $700.. all I could get for it, so ridiculous!
I recently sold my Waterblocked Titan XP on ebay, didn't get that much for it, but when it was running in my PC, it worked flawlessly, High FPS in most games, and was a great 2nd hand Purchase. To anyone in the Budget market, Defo grab the Titan Xp if you can/need to, I upgraded to a waterblocked 3080Ti and sorta wish I kept my Titan XP to at least put it on the wall as decoration. Thanks for sharing, Optimum.
oh man, imagine being one of the guys with a TITAN back then. That was an insane card in an insane era of GPU's pushing huge generational uplifts. I have a 4090 and i wish i was apart of that Titan club, i was a proud EVGA 1080 FTW2 owner at the time though!
Looking at the size of 4090 and the price, it seems like what SLI was back in the day, but much better without stuttering and lower than expected SLI performance in many games.
@@DigitalNomad88 It sold very well, the 2000 series was just a re-release of 1000 series on a smaller process node. Remove the heat sink, and 2000 cards look exactly the same.
@@the_hate_inside1085 I would argue it was more of a tech demo, they focused on an underwhelming (at the time, and arguably still to this day) technology and left the performance to be desired. Meanwhile, we know what a glorious mistake it was
Still using my ZOTAC GTX-980Ti from 2015. It still does 1080p on all games at max settings at very playable frame rates. I just put new thermal paste on every 3 years and it is as good as the day I got it. My PC has been upgraded twice, (was an 1150 I7-4790, now an I5-12400F) and it is still very useable. Don't waste your money.
@@oberpenneraffe I upgraded my MOBO and CPU last month from an I7-4790 to a I5-12400F, (because it was about £100 in a sale) and I get even more FPS in games now, (about 25% more in fact) turns out my 4th gen I7 was actually a bottleneck!
I had 1060 6gb ROG Strix OC and i got 3060 ti on I7 870 1st gen 2.9 @3.8ghz OC. SSD Sata III 500gb , 16gb DDR3 1600mhz 750w psu.. i play all on ULTRA / high 60 FPS 1080p. this is 2009 year CPU still capable in 2024.. 4c 8t
@@Stanke24 I was using a 4th gen I7-4790, (4C, 8T @ 3.6Ghz, 4.0Ghz on turbo) and it did everything I ever asked for. I have upgraded to an I5-12400F, (6C, 12T) and DDR5 RAM. I have to say the benefit is underwhelming, (still limited by the refresh rate of the 60Hz 52 inch TV) and I wasted the money thinking I would get better FPS, but mainly to get Windows 11. Stick with what you have until it stops doing what you need it to do. Also, Windows 11 sucks, Windows 10 is better. Go figure.
a 980 ti does not push 1080p max on all games anymore. 1080p high/optimized ultra definitely then. The last generation of 1080p60 GPUs are the 900 and 1000 series, all newer gpus are meant for higher frame rates or higher resolutions (1080p120, 1440p60) the current 4000 series is intended for 1080p240, 1440p165, 2160p120
In the week since this video came out, Ebay prices have jumped up 50% from around $160 up to $240. Incredible how this one video had such an impact on supply and demand.
Wouldn't the Titan V be the fastest "GTX" GPU? Neither technically have the prefix, but if you're counting "no hardware RT" as GTX then the Titan V qualifies. It does have tensor cores though, so it's a bit in between.
I agree fastest "GTX" should be claimed by Titan V. Note : Tensors on it are incapable of running DLSS, so they are useless for gaming, and Volta does not support Mesh Shaders (while newest GTX [1660 series], does). Also, Titan V might get software throttled from P2 CUDA compute state (if driver thinks you are running such workload). Both Titan Xp and V are similar in blower style cooler being the limiting factor (while getting 1080 Ti with custom air cooler is easy), and should be heavily undervolted (~0.8V range GPU voltage), to not drop performance when you PC heats up after 1h+ of gaming session.
@@b127_1 It's just marketing name. If GV100 was ever released on GeForce line (like GM200 and GK110 before it), it would be under "GTX" series since it's almost on par with GTX 1600 series feature set (just "lock" it's Tensor cores, and you have "GeForce GTX 1690 [Ti]" card). What it's called now under Titan series is irrelevant.
Best thing you can do is buy like 3 or 4 gen older quad core cpu with 16 gig of ddr3 ram for like 200 bucks or less, and then take the rest of the budget and get a 4080 or 7800xt and blast every modern game with a decent fps, amazing graphics and no lag. I currently have i7 4790k which is Relic by now, 16 gig ddr3 with RX 7800xt.. im getting 160+ FPS everything maxed out in Overwatch at 3440x1440p 144hz , and in World of warcraft retail i get around 65-90 fps depends on the zone i am in. Never upgraded pcu from back in the day, i just always swapped GPU every second year or so.
I had 1060 6gb ROG Strix OC and i got 3060 ti on I7 870 1st gen 2.9 @3.8ghz OC. SSD Sata III 500gb , 16gb DDR3 1600mhz 750w psu.. i play all on ULTRA / high 60 FPS 1080p. this is 2009 year CPU still capable in 2024.. 4c 8t
I was on a 1080ti until 2 years ago and it still served me very well at 1440p. Upscaling was necessary in newer games like dying light 2 but I never had a bad experience using it
Why is it crazy that a 4060 beats the old kingpin of the 10 series, that is around 7 years of improvement. I'd be extremely pissed if my modern cards were being beaten by something approaching a decade old.
Well sort of, if you take the XP and 4060 up to 1440p and beyond with high texture settings, the graph will shift. The 384-Bit Titan will out power the 192-Bit 4060.
This video thumbnail made me buy one. I watched this after purchasing. Honestly surreal, I paid $150 on eBay from a seller with a good rep. I bought the 1060 6GB when it was new and I was still in high school, haven't upgraded until now (still on PCIe Gen 3). Very weird getting the card I dreamed of having as a high schooler for half the price I paid for my 1060.
The GTX Titan Xp is still in my computer. Every month, I purchased one component and then spent dozens of hours to build my watercooled PC in an ITX ANTEC Striker case. I'm still quite proud of it.
I just saw this video a couple of days ago and I decided to upgrade from my busted, frequently crashing RX 580. Just got it all setup today and it is working fabulously. Thank you!
@@Ziv_ The Titan XP was just a Titan X Pascal that we dubbed the Titan XP because of it being on pascal, to not confuse it with the previous gen Maxwell Titan X. The 1080 Ti came out, and was faster than the Titan X Pascall. So Nvidia released another Titan with the official branding "Titan Xp" Offically with the little p. meant to be faster than the 1080 Ti, but barely. Had 12gb vram still over 11gb of the 1080 Ti. But solely existed because Nvidia cannibalised their own first Pascal Titan.
I can relate brother. I bought a pc recently for $20. It has Windows 7, AMD dual core CPU, 2 gb ram, single slot GPU, 200 gb HDD, Dvd and floppy drives. Not all todays software is compatible but you have to make the most of it.
The 1650 is one I picked up for around the same price, and it's an absolute trooper. Going on 2 years. I may need a fan replacement soon but we're still going strong.
Already has been, it was ~150 a few days before this video. RTX 2080Ti is also something people should strongly consider an keep an eye on, it is way better than all RTX 3060 models plus it is about the same price used. Another thing 2080Ti model was the stripped down version of the Titan as in they were lazy an just added parts to the Ti to make it a titan basically the 2080Ti is a lot better than it got made out to be an it can be had for cheap. Both of those models though are generally better than a current RTX 4060, and they come in under half the price on the used market.
Wait, so you could build a server, with Dual Titans, 5800X3D, 32GB RAM, 4TB storage, for roughly the same price as just a 4070ti....then you could setup Proxmox and have a crazy bad ass self-hosted fully-virtualized-gpu gaming server....insane.
Okay but to be fair, dude said "for a budget build today" and tests it on a 1440p monitor. If someone's building with a budget that allows them to only get a used card for 200 bucks at max, they're not gonna be rocking anything 1440p, I can guarantee you that. Other than that, great video.
What saves the Titan is the VRAM. You're able to crank up those settings and back it up with it's cuda cores. The 4060ti is hardly capable of these settings purely because of the lack of VRAM
That 4060ti was launched at a higher price than the 1070, is 3 generations older and still has the same amount of vram. Can't believe so many people are defending it.
In 2020, I sold my 1070ti and got the TitanXp used for 400€. And i'm still using it in my rig. The biggest flaw of it was the stock cooler, it saturates with heat and starts thermal throttleing. Got an AIO cooler with the NZXT gpu mounting bracket for it, and now It works perfect. I have set the power limit to 120% in afterburner, and it works flawlessly, boosting to max clock with no dips. The performace gain is very noticable over the stock cooler.
They need to make reasonably sized high end cards again, getting stuck on a 4070 if you want something that isnt 3 slots and an inch wider than the pcie bracket is just absurd.
I had bought one of these cards for $192 in total (counting sales tax and shipping) and used it for my first gaming PC I had built myself. It managed to get a consistent 30 FPS at max setting in Star Wars: Jedi Survivor, at 4k on my smart TV. The TV was 30 Hz, which is why i had 30 fps with VSYNC. It somehow managed to turn on ray tracing as well, and it did somewhat work on top of the ultra preset, at 4k as well. For the right price, these cards are at least worth looking at for budget builds, or even for making a PC with the intent of playing older titles. It also did very well in VR with my Rift CV1.
Bro this bring me back when I taught that I would be able to buy a 2080 ti for less when 50 generation will come. And now 50 generation is almost being released
I'm using this GPU, got it second hand, it's a good GPU but you are stuck using FSR and not DLSS if you want upscaling, but the 12GB of VRAM is nice. If anyone picks this up, i recommend changing the heatpaste as it helped me a lot but be very careful with the tiny screws. I use 1440p 144hz monitor, i play most games capped at 72 fps on mostly highest settings and those that don't i use FSR.
2017 is 7 years ago...
yep😥😥😥
Why would you say that? Now we all feel old 😆
@@Panster7we are old
why would you resort to violence like that?
It's been more years than that since good games came out😂😂😂
I remember when 1200 dollars was considered ridiculously expensive and not worth for any normal consumer... and now they make ones way more expensive
Thats just not true, the only more expensive one is the 4090. 4080S and 7900 XTX are both 1000€
I think the most egregious one is back when 3090 was $2K
@@mjdevlog that was only scalpers price, as i remember rtx30 was cheaper then rtx20
You also have to keep in mind that back then the 1080 Ti had just released at $699 and the GTX 1080 had released a year prior at $599. So, not only was it $1,550 in today's money, it was also as much as two 1080s and nearly as much as two 1080 Ti. Which were technically both top-tier GPUs, while the Titan was a pinnacle GPU meant for nothing more than flexing.
It was truly crazy back then.
@@mjdevlog No, the most egregious was the 2080 Ti Founders Edition dropping at $1,199. It came out a year after the $699 1080 Ti and was somehow $500 more for the same class of GPU.
It's so weird seeing one so clean. I only ever see them covered in layers of lint in neglected mining rigs. Wild.
Nice seeing you here lol
maybe he just pulled one out of inventory and didnt go and buy one
Greatest technician that ever lived😎👀
swamp gooch
What was the absolute hardest thing to repair
1200 in 1995 got you a printer. 1200 in 2005 got you a high performance PC. 1200 in 2017 gave you the high performance GPU. 1200 today gives you only 2/3 of the most high performance GPU. Prices are insane.
Even considering inflation, the 1200$ PC of 2005 would be 2100$ today, the increase in pricing over the last decade is crazy.
For 1200, I got an entire laptop with a processor and gpu, RAM and SSD thousands of times better than what those same 1200 could get you in 1995, and even some of the 2000s.
So it's only fair to look at the whole spectrum.
You mean a laser printer lol.
True, it's also that we probably got all the easy R&D performance out of stuff, now it probably takes more R&D to do lesser leaps.
minimum wage in the UK was £3/hr in 1999 and not only was that deemed acceptable as a baseline, you could live off that, more or less.
now in 2024 we have nearly £12/hr minimum and it's not even close to enough.
I wish things in general but especially cool stuff like tech and such were still affordable. Would be awesome.
Got a 4070 today, upgrading from a 1070 ti. Been running games at 1440p with the old beast for a while now but I couldn't get those sweet 144 FPS to max out my monitor, this generation was definitely insane.
I had 1060 6gb ROG Strix OC and i got 3060 ti on I7 870 1st gen 2.9 @3.8ghz OC. SSD Sata III 500gb , 16gb DDR3 1600mhz 750w psu.. i play all on ULTRA / high 60 FPS 1080p. this is 2009 year CPU still capable in 2024.. 4c 8t
1070 at 1440? Were you playing at super low settings on a ps2 emulator or what
@@Zelielz1 Nah hahaha, you'd be surprised
@@Zelielz1 1070ti is basically a 1080 and my 1080 does 3440x1440 fine™
I've said it before when it comes to GPUs on PCs and I'll say it again. If you strictly buy a very high end graphics card your just a beta tester for the mid to lower mid range market in less than a decade! Buy at least mid to upper mid range and I don't wanna hear I'm future proofing! Right that's we now have ray tracing and much better display ports along with new ports? Yeah ,so much for that future proofing!
Still rocking the 1080ti here.
same
time to upgrade
Me too, with a 6700k?
@@msg360 naa
@@msg360 yeah but its still prretty decent i have a 4090 now, but i still play my sim games on my old 1080ti/8700k pc
For basically 150, you can play any PC game you like at 60fps, a forgotten gold standard.
My monitor is capped at 60Hz so 60fps became the standard for me.
I might consider it if my PSU could pull it, which it can't.
@@LeElister64 Once you go to 144hz, 60 just looks like 30.
@@astrikos4011 i have a 144hz monitor and 60 looks fine still.
@@astrikos4011 can confirm. But I went from 75Hz to 165Hz recently and oh my god, what a difference. I decided to try 75Hz again and it was PAINFUL, and 30FPS looks like a literal PowerPoint presentation. I cannot play on consoles anymore.
I remember when I use to think the Titan was some sort of otherwordly GPU that no common mortal could own, that is was synonymous of power, it was a rare word only few would utter
Crazy how technology value depreciates. I wonder what the price of a 4090 will be after 5 years...
@@icenote1591You can find 2080ti FTW3's for around $350 so I'm gonna say probably somewhere near $400
@@icenote1591it's already depleting
@@JKAB9285 and I just bought one last month 😥
@@icenote1591 $200 or so, flagship models plummet to 200 after 5 years and then bleed down to $50-100 after 10+ years which is where they will stay until the last one is gone
year 2030 is closer than 2017
2017 feels 2 years ago 😢
Covid hangover
@@PandaCultivationSkipped years
Impossibile 2017 was almost 5 years ago
@@Windows7x it's 7 years ago.
5 years ago was 2019.
Its crazy how 2017 was such a pivotal moment for gamers. I built my first PC in 2017 using 1070 and I see how many people with a similar experience
2018 with a 1160 (i live on one of latam poor countries...)
9900k and titan x was where it was at
Same but 9900KS
get out of your bubble, those two were nothing close to what most people could afford. 1060 was and will forever be the GOAT
1080ti 8700k
@@yugalkhanal6967 i think hes talking abt dream builds back then but ok
i9-9980XE and gtx 1080 ti
Honestly the best GPU gen ever released by Nvidia. The 1080 ti was an insanely good deal, 700$/€ for that much performance was just incredible. After that the prices just escalated...
truly iconic. the 1080ti will live on forever in our hearts
@@illuminoeye_gaming "It's time to go" "was I a good GPU" "was? I'm just moving you to another rig."
Best when factoring in price for sure. Otherwise it has to go to the current gen, 4090 represented a meteoric performance boost beyond that of the 1080Ti
Same with GTX 1070, mainstream 380$ 8GB card that was faster than 980ti, NV isnt making a mistake like that again
Still on the 1080 ti lol
I got a Titan Xp for free in 2018, for my research with OpenCL programming. I miss the times where GPUs were 2-slot and
So because of the lack of VRAM are you forced to buy the highest tier of modern GPUs? If so then I'd say that their marketing ploy is working.
@@mauree1618 Unfortunately, yeah. Bear with me for the long comment: The strangehold that NVIDIA has due to them technically having better performing cards than AMD at the high end for CUDA compute tasks is basically making them get away with making the GPU market be terrible. And AMD isn't really in the capacity to take over compute any time soon even with the supposed improvements with ROCm/HIP given how fragmented their support for compute is to begin with even if CUDA wasn't dominant (the RX 5000 series is mostly left dead on the water compared to the RX 6000 and 7000 series; and the 7000 series has some better stuff than the 6000 series for no real reason).
Not to mention both NVIDIA and AMD have nerfed bandwidth capabilities for the GPUs that have been put on the entry level/1080p category. Like the atrocious 64-bit bus for the GTX 1630 and RX 6500 XT on top of being terrible GPUs is already obvious. But even the well renowned cards like the RX 6600 XT have been critiqued to be limited in bandwidth for no reason other than saving costs for production: the RX 6600 XT has a 128-bit bus compared to the RX 5700 XT that has a 256-bit bus, which matters because the gap in performance with how better the RX 6600 XT is is not that wide compared to the RX 5700 XT, when it could be even wider for more games if the bus width hadn't been stifled to be halved essentially.
@@mauree1618 The RX 7900 XTX offers the same amount of VRAM as a 4090, for half the price. While the ecosystem is generally better for ML on Nvidia cards, removing such essential features weakens their position in this field. Many ML folks would have happily added a second 4090 to their Workstation.
How did you set up the environment for OpenCL programming? Also, what kind of training materials did you use? I tried to pick up OpenCL a few years ago, and the most up-to-date textbook was "Heterogeneous Computing with OpenCL 2.0", which is a book published in 2015. OCL_SDK_Light was the sdk.
@@mauree1618 And, the RTX 4060 16gb's bandwidth limitation cripples the performance. It is only good for launching larger models, but the token/second rate is poor. It is considered a good card for some use cases, but not for speed.
your video editing goes incredibly hard ngl
Gtx10 series was just built different. Really hope we see another legendary lineup like that again in the future. That’s what I’m waiting for honestly
"2017 was also the first year I built my first PC" absolutely blows my mind. The generational gap is real - I built my first PC in 1996. Thanks for making me feel old, mang.
Me too! My first PC that built with my own hands (a CYRIX 686 100Mhz) with windows 95 messing with my mind cos I was used to MS-DOS back then!
Talkin'about feelin' old :p (I was 12 at that time)
i not even alive in this time, how old are you fella?
lol, I felt that too. high school in 2000 here with the first 1Ghz chip - AMD Athlon Thunderbird
Lol try 10 years before that. Been here since 286 days, damn I'm old.😅
@@mikemmxp I built my first rig in 2003 with an Athlon XP 2000+, and that wasn't even the fastest available at the time.
Kinda miss the clockspeed wars lol.
I remember TotalBiscuit mentioning how a game a long time ago, was so poorly unoptimized that his own rig with the Titan was having trouble. Times have changed...
I miss that man 😣
games don’t even get optimised anymore, they just blame everyone’s hardware
Did the times change though? It's the same story today with the amount of unoptimized garbage coming out 😂
... for worse.
@Micromation Nowadays we get a lot more unoptimized games but they don't run that badly. Having a game run so badly even on the best possible hardware can't run it is impressive in some way. The devs went oh well looks like everyone who wants to play the game will have to wait for better hardware. You might be able to pull that shit with games like Crysis which at lower settings looked like a completely different game and ran much better. As far as I remember the game TB was testing didn't even look good. This must mean the devs didn't even enable the most basic optimization like only rendering what's visible on screen.
edit went crazy @ 1:28
😂right
It's called "Morph Cut" in Premiere Pro, combined with good camera positioning
@@teslawp I GOOGLED MORPH CUT IT LOOKS NOTHING LIKE THIS WDYM
Eating woood
@@teslawpmaybe I'm blind, but I don't see any morphing, it just cuts to some hard to describe 'fast-paced footage" that fits the vibe (second cut is zipping through some car parking?)
1:38 your screen will fall back one day I guarantee
It's a studio
@@timetobargeinandgivemyopin7260doesnt mean gravity doesn't exist? look at the back moniter foot
I've been rocking a "gold sample" Titan Xp since 2017 until I upgraded to a 4080 Super this year and I've been very, very happy with how much mileage I got out the card.
This man just cannot stop making movies, even when he's making a 6-7 minute video.
Also, something that I'm wondering about, I remember you said in your last setup review vid that you're going to try a split keyboard. Any updates on that topic?
He is MKBHD in computer world
@@huyphamuc6372 MKBHD doesn't put even 30% effort compared to optimum, he just turns camera on and talks, thats it.
@@doo0mstar I think mkbhd writes scripts for his videos
MKBHD is a pleb
why don't you just propose to him?
2017 feels like last week, time after 2020 went lightspeed quickly, gta 6 trailer was 6-7 months ago already and I swear I watched it at the video release date and it was yesterday
Dude ur not the only one who feels that way, holy shit
Its going by too quickly..
My conclusion, the world is changing so much that our brains stopping fully comprehend the changes (social media addiction, singularity from the technological stand point is near) it's feels like our brains processing the data so fast that we're not able to "live" in the moment, but in reality the opposite it's happening, our brains create the time frame gaps as it's have hard time to comprehend what's is going on around us which feelis like a void, losing part of memory from specific time frame.
The only way to going back to the time where everything was "normal" is to live off the grid, far away from social media and technology boom.
GTX Titan prices after this video: Stonks 📈
😢true
can't really tell. those oldies are not covered by warranty, there is a high chance it gonna be damaged by delivery,, you can't really check it in person for flaw, potential issues
And if people start doing that, that's pretty stupid because of driver support.
Driver support will eventually end for newer games and then they're going to be SOL and bought an old card because of a TH-cam video 🤣
Not really.
@@302efi maxwells drivers are still supported let alone pascal if youre talking about games launching there are currently zero that dont launch on the titan xp by the time a game wont be able to run on the titan xp you wont have the performance to play that title on lowest at 1080p 60 fps plus even if you had a card with a newer architecture and had the same amount of raster performance also it wouldnt change the fact the fact you still get atleast 2 years of every brand new game being supported plus every single game ever made up to this point
Awesome cinematography in this video
I respect anyone still running the 10 series or prior.
Any video that pushes people to consider the used market is a good video in my mind. good job.
i dont need a card, googled and saw this is better then my 2060, kinda tempted but i have no need hahah, deff pushed me to think about it
It's amazing how much these cards depreciate, the 3090 for instance is like 1/3 the price already, can't imagine what the 50xx launch will do the 40xx prices.
The box is very Razer
Thats what I thought
Although I personally think the shade of green nvidia uses is nicer than razer's
That is Nvidia's green... as in envy green.
Razer is just a tiny bit darker but yeah.
@@makatronrazer has a different font
love the fps graph with the dots🥺
It's crazy that seeing this thing benchmarked makes me nostalgic lmao. The 10 series was fucking fantastic.
Finally someone mentioned this GPU over the GTX 1080Ti, I got two of those and did an SLI with them! It's the most beautiful thing you can get with this power, matching the RTX 3090 for half the price...
I borrowed one of these form work while I was waiting for my 1080ti order (already sold me gtx 970), it felt like holding a godly piece of weaponry.
Great analysis on the Titan XP's longevity and value for money, even now in 2024. Your reflections bring up some solid points as to why considering used GPUs might actually be worthwhile, especially for those on a tight budget.
i had 1080ti and was blown away by the performance ngl. I didnt see many people who had the titan but ofc ive seen few videos and it was insane back when it came out. The leap of performance that we had that generation was mindblowing.
My friend is still using his Titan XP and it runs newer games on 4k at around 60fps. It was supposed to be a future proof card and it really was.
The consistency of quality on your videos is insane👌
the 100 watt power difference can make a big differance in europe.
we had a phase in germany where 1kWh costed 54ct.
so 100 watts more for the same performance is something to take in account
the 4060 still isn't the best option, as he said the 3070 is just plain better, checking second hand prices quickly in france, it is also only 190 euros.
AMD's 6700XT is also a really option if you don't need CUDA
If you care about power consumption then amd cpu and gpu is your best bet. Intel cpu's and nvidia gpu's are more power hungry.
depending where, i went from gtx 1080 to rtx 4080, so from 160-180w to 260-300w and i see no change in bill
@@MV-ri7zu nvidia gpu's, especially the 40 series are A LOT better than their amd equivalent from an fps/watt point of view. they're not fairly priced, but saying amd is more efficient is a flat out lie
@@AnEagle i have a 6700xt and i love it :D
1:37 No way you're just teasing us with that glimpse of both of Thorzones new cases :O
I love seeing older hardware min maxed in a modern environment
Very good quality of audio and video on all of your vids. Love the way you slowly put things on the surface with such care. Very nice to look at. Im writing this because i noticed that the audio sounds the same in every room you film at so crisp and clear
The card just looks so good tho. Completely black with those little black bolts just looks so sick
this would be great for budget builds on 1080p
@YISP7 did u not see the 300fps on overwatch
@@hookbook1Nice way to ignore his comment about the 3070 being the same price and having more performance
Still using the GTX 1080 here. Maybe the 5-series will be worth upgrading to.
Also on GTX 1080, shits still holding up lol
Went from 1070ti (oc'd so it was matching 1080) to RX6800 and the jump was massive.
I'm on a 1070 and going strong lmao. Only CPU needed upgrading in the past 8 years.
That's awesome I've had a 1080 and the performance is really good! The newer cards are so expensive its ridiculous and they depreciate so quickly. I sold my evga 3090 ti for $700.. all I could get for it, so ridiculous!
Bro im still using a Gtx 1060 6gb 😂
timeless design
So sleek
Technology chagnes so fast in a year, before you know it 7 years passes and it changed A LOT.
I recently sold my Waterblocked Titan XP on ebay, didn't get that much for it, but when it was running in my PC, it worked flawlessly, High FPS in most games, and was a great 2nd hand Purchase. To anyone in the Budget market, Defo grab the Titan Xp if you can/need to, I upgraded to a waterblocked 3080Ti and sorta wish I kept my Titan XP to at least put it on the wall as decoration.
Thanks for sharing, Optimum.
This form factor should get back
Optimum, You should have used FSR 3 Frame Gen mod with cyberpunk, you would have been quite surprised.
cant wait for this to become super expensive again 🙏
Yeah it's good for AI 😅
oh man, imagine being one of the guys with a TITAN back then. That was an insane card in an insane era of GPU's pushing huge generational uplifts. I have a 4090 and i wish i was apart of that Titan club, i was a proud EVGA 1080 FTW2 owner at the time though!
Looking at the size of 4090 and the price, it seems like what SLI was back in the day, but much better without stuttering and lower than expected SLI performance in many games.
incredible video, thanks for going in-depth!
well, it WAS a very solid budget option, until this video was made
This is the Titan the re-released after the 1080Ti murdered the first Titan, right?
Yes! It was glorious! I still use my aorus 1080ti, it was nvidia's huge mistake and unfortunately we will never see another gpu like that again!
@@DigitalNomad88 It sold very well, the 2000 series was just a re-release of 1000 series on a smaller process node. Remove the heat sink, and 2000 cards look exactly the same.
@@DigitalNomad88 tell me about it, I went with the Strix verion :P
@@the_hate_inside1085 I would argue it was more of a tech demo, they focused on an underwhelming (at the time, and arguably still to this day) technology and left the performance to be desired. Meanwhile, we know what a glorious mistake it was
Still using my ZOTAC GTX-980Ti from 2015. It still does 1080p on all games at max settings at very playable frame rates. I just put new thermal paste on every 3 years and it is as good as the day I got it. My PC has been upgraded twice, (was an 1150 I7-4790, now an I5-12400F) and it is still very useable. Don't waste your money.
I'm still using a gtx 970 and a i7-4770. Everything runs fine at 60 fps+ at 720p
@@oberpenneraffe I upgraded my MOBO and CPU last month from an I7-4790 to a I5-12400F, (because it was about £100 in a sale) and I get even more FPS in games now, (about 25% more in fact) turns out my 4th gen I7 was actually a bottleneck!
I had 1060 6gb ROG Strix OC and i got 3060 ti on I7 870 1st gen 2.9 @3.8ghz OC. SSD Sata III 500gb , 16gb DDR3 1600mhz 750w psu.. i play all on ULTRA / high 60 FPS 1080p. this is 2009 year CPU still capable in 2024.. 4c 8t
@@Stanke24 I was using a 4th gen I7-4790, (4C, 8T @ 3.6Ghz, 4.0Ghz on turbo) and it did everything I ever asked for. I have upgraded to an I5-12400F, (6C, 12T) and DDR5 RAM. I have to say the benefit is underwhelming, (still limited by the refresh rate of the 60Hz 52 inch TV) and I wasted the money thinking I would get better FPS, but mainly to get Windows 11. Stick with what you have until it stops doing what you need it to do.
Also, Windows 11 sucks, Windows 10 is better. Go figure.
a 980 ti does not push 1080p max on all games anymore. 1080p high/optimized ultra definitely then.
The last generation of 1080p60 GPUs are the 900 and 1000 series, all newer gpus are meant for higher frame rates or higher resolutions (1080p120, 1440p60)
the current 4000 series is intended for 1080p240, 1440p165, 2160p120
In the week since this video came out, Ebay prices have jumped up 50% from around $160 up to $240. Incredible how this one video had such an impact on supply and demand.
I just picked up a 1080ti for $60 on FB marketplace, blew my mind
$10 take it or leave it
I up the bid to 11 dollars
11.25, final offer
12$
$15
16€
Wouldn't the Titan V be the fastest "GTX" GPU? Neither technically have the prefix, but if you're counting "no hardware RT" as GTX then the Titan V qualifies. It does have tensor cores though, so it's a bit in between.
Yeah, Titan V is somewhere in between GTX and RTX. It has Tensor but no RT.
I agree fastest "GTX" should be claimed by Titan V. Note : Tensors on it are incapable of running DLSS, so they are useless for gaming, and Volta does not support Mesh Shaders (while newest GTX [1660 series], does).
Also, Titan V might get software throttled from P2 CUDA compute state (if driver thinks you are running such workload).
Both Titan Xp and V are similar in blower style cooler being the limiting factor (while getting 1080 Ti with custom air cooler is easy), and should be heavily undervolted (~0.8V range GPU voltage), to not drop performance when you PC heats up after 1h+ of gaming session.
The Titan V was never referred to as a "GTX" product. Just like the Nvidia Titan RTX, it was simply called the "Nvidia Titan V"
@@b127_1 It's just marketing name. If GV100 was ever released on GeForce line (like GM200 and GK110 before it), it would be under "GTX" series since it's almost on par with GTX 1600 series feature set (just "lock" it's Tensor cores, and you have "GeForce GTX 1690 [Ti]" card). What it's called now under Titan series is irrelevant.
@@b127_1 damn, ur right. I was about to smugly comment how this whole video is wrong but yep, they didnt call it the gtx titan v
Best thing you can do is buy like 3 or 4 gen older quad core cpu with 16 gig of ddr3 ram for like 200 bucks or less, and then take the rest of the budget and get a 4080 or 7800xt and blast every modern game with a decent fps, amazing graphics and no lag. I currently have i7 4790k which is Relic by now, 16 gig ddr3 with RX 7800xt.. im getting 160+ FPS everything maxed out in Overwatch at 3440x1440p 144hz , and in World of warcraft retail i get around 65-90 fps depends on the zone i am in. Never upgraded pcu from back in the day, i just always swapped GPU every second year or so.
I had 1060 6gb ROG Strix OC and i got 3060 ti on I7 870 1st gen 2.9 @3.8ghz OC. SSD Sata III 500gb , 16gb DDR3 1600mhz 750w psu.. i play all on ULTRA / high 60 FPS 1080p. this is 2009 year CPU still capable in 2024.. 4c 8t
Direct and no bullshit video about computers?? You deserve my sub...
I have a 1080 est 2018 still works amd i use it to this day thats a huge upgrade
I was on a 1080ti until 2 years ago and it still served me very well at 1440p. Upscaling was necessary in newer games like dying light 2 but I never had a bad experience using it
Why is it crazy that a 4060 beats the old kingpin of the 10 series, that is around 7 years of improvement. I'd be extremely pissed if my modern cards were being beaten by something approaching a decade old.
Well sort of, if you take the XP and 4060 up to 1440p and beyond with high texture settings, the graph will shift. The 384-Bit Titan will out power the 192-Bit 4060.
@@UniversalPwner21 Cheers for explaining it bud, I appreciate that 👍
Have 2 in Sli, still rocking those beasts!!
the star wars version of this was my first actual gpu, one of the best looking cards for sure
This video thumbnail made me buy one. I watched this after purchasing. Honestly surreal, I paid $150 on eBay from a seller with a good rep. I bought the 1060 6GB when it was new and I was still in high school, haven't upgraded until now (still on PCIe Gen 3). Very weird getting the card I dreamed of having as a high schooler for half the price I paid for my 1060.
Thanks for such content optimum!
In this economy my 1080 is going to have to live another 6 years for me
Pretty hard ngl
The gtx 1080ti and I7 8700k error was the most deadliest
1080ti was a mistake
@@dorolo For nvidia. For us, users, it was a gift :p
Awesome comparison, very clear, very interesting. Thanks!
You built your first PC in 2017? That's surprising to hear. You've come a long way in a short time.
I wonder if the fan collects a lot of cat hair😂😂
Depends on how good your case filtering is. But the simple answer is most likely . . . . . all the cat hair.
3:38 you gota label ya charts man
He did? It's showing avg FPS in those games on the Titan XP at 1440p
@@SammerJammer looked like a sub heading of the graph, my bad.
where on earth did you find one for 200$
I found one for 200+like 65$ shipping but it’s sketchy asf on eBay😭
@@Alpaca5089 yeah that was used for crypto mining.
you got got lol
Clickbait ass title. Its impossible to find one under $250 now. I swear videos like these do nothing but ruin the used market.
prices probably went up as soon as this video got views lol
Everywhere
The GTX Titan Xp is still in my computer. Every month, I purchased one component and then spent dozens of hours to build my watercooled PC in an ITX ANTEC Striker case. I'm still quite proud of it.
I just saw this video a couple of days ago and I decided to upgrade from my busted, frequently crashing RX 580. Just got it all setup today and it is working fabulously. Thank you!
I remember adding this gpu to my Amazon cart and the price seemed ridiculous at that time.
The start of Nvidia's terrible naming. Ain't no non-nerd knowing the difference between the Titan X, the Titan XP and Titan Xp
There is also Titan RTX.
Wait theres a difference between the Titan XP and Titan Xp ? i tought they were the same thing but with lowercase letter
@@Ziv_ The Titan XP was just a Titan X Pascal that we dubbed the Titan XP because of it being on pascal, to not confuse it with the previous gen Maxwell Titan X. The 1080 Ti came out, and was faster than the Titan X Pascall. So Nvidia released another Titan with the official branding "Titan Xp" Offically with the little p. meant to be faster than the 1080 Ti, but barely. Had 12gb vram still over 11gb of the 1080 Ti. But solely existed because Nvidia cannibalised their own first Pascal Titan.
Couldn't afford it then can't afford it now
What can you afford then?
@@takik.2220nothing prob hes a brokey
embarrassing
😂😂
I can relate brother. I bought a pc recently for $20. It has Windows 7, AMD dual core CPU, 2 gb ram, single slot GPU, 200 gb HDD, Dvd and floppy drives. Not all todays software is compatible but you have to make the most of it.
The 1650 is one I picked up for around the same price, and it's an absolute trooper. Going on 2 years. I may need a fan replacement soon but we're still going strong.
dayum the colors on the monitor look so good
titan xp prices after this 📈📈
Already has been, it was ~150 a few days before this video. RTX 2080Ti is also something people should strongly consider an keep an eye on, it is way better than all RTX 3060 models plus it is about the same price used. Another thing 2080Ti model was the stripped down version of the Titan as in they were lazy an just added parts to the Ti to make it a titan basically the 2080Ti is a lot better than it got made out to be an it can be had for cheap. Both of those models though are generally better than a current RTX 4060, and they come in under half the price on the used market.
Bro talking like Titan XP was from the 80's.
Selling for.... Not anymore
Wait, so you could build a server, with Dual Titans, 5800X3D, 32GB RAM, 4TB storage, for roughly the same price as just a 4070ti....then you could setup Proxmox and have a crazy bad ass self-hosted fully-virtualized-gpu gaming server....insane.
Okay but to be fair, dude said "for a budget build today" and tests it on a 1440p monitor. If someone's building with a budget that allows them to only get a used card for 200 bucks at max, they're not gonna be rocking anything 1440p, I can guarantee you that. Other than that, great video.
What saves the Titan is the VRAM. You're able to crank up those settings and back it up with it's cuda cores. The 4060ti is hardly capable of these settings purely because of the lack of VRAM
That 4060ti was launched at a higher price than the 1070, is 3 generations older and still has the same amount of vram. Can't believe so many people are defending it.
In 2020, I sold my 1070ti and got the TitanXp used for 400€. And i'm still using it in my rig. The biggest flaw of it was the stock cooler, it saturates with heat and starts thermal throttleing. Got an AIO cooler with the NZXT gpu mounting bracket for it, and now It works perfect. I have set the power limit to 120% in afterburner, and it works flawlessly, boosting to max clock with no dips. The performace gain is very noticable over the stock cooler.
Most people were surprised because it feels like it was released just last week, but holysiht thanks for the reminder.
They need to make reasonably sized high end cards again, getting stuck on a 4070 if you want something that isnt 3 slots and an inch wider than the pcie bracket is just absurd.
I still remember Titan x was a ridiculous price, and the drooling titan name was the bells and whistles
they are no longer 182 dollars thanks to your video, and have began to rise in price again. thanks!
Can’t wait for the 4090 super to finally be $180 in the future. Maybe then I’ll finally get it
I had bought one of these cards for $192 in total (counting sales tax and shipping) and used it for my first gaming PC I had built myself. It managed to get a consistent 30 FPS at max setting in Star Wars: Jedi Survivor, at 4k on my smart TV. The TV was 30 Hz, which is why i had 30 fps with VSYNC. It somehow managed to turn on ray tracing as well, and it did somewhat work on top of the ultra preset, at 4k as well. For the right price, these cards are at least worth looking at for budget builds, or even for making a PC with the intent of playing older titles. It also did very well in VR with my Rift CV1.
It’s weird how much time has passed. I remember watching benchmarks of this years ago
Bro this bring me back when I taught that I would be able to buy a 2080 ti for less when 50 generation will come. And now 50 generation is almost being released
man i'm rockin a nvidia gtx 1070. lovely looking rocketship
I'm using this GPU, got it second hand, it's a good GPU but you are stuck using FSR and not DLSS if you want upscaling, but the 12GB of VRAM is nice.
If anyone picks this up, i recommend changing the heatpaste as it helped me a lot but be very careful with the tiny screws.
I use 1440p 144hz monitor, i play most games capped at 72 fps on mostly highest settings and those that don't i use FSR.
Fun fact, with unofficial drivers it can do raytracing (at horrendous FPS, but still).
The fact you can also get a 3080ti used for under $500 is superb. Mine is still slamming through games
I always thought that was the nicest looking design.